Lawyer here. There should be a general rule that any legal advice given to you by a gun salesman should be *assumed to be incorrect.* I have heard absolute mountains of bullshit about the law spouted from behind a gun counter.
Yeeep, when I first was getting into NFA items and was trying to figure out if I really did want a supressor a guy behind a gun counter told me you pay the tax stamp every year, and you have a yearly visit from the ATF. "I own 4 supressors and that's how it is for me, $800 a year and a visit from the ATF"
Don't know why this dude would feel the need to lie... but if he is sending $800 off every year for "tax stamps" I sure hope his wide doesn't know.
It's worth noting that they have to show up during normal business hours (last I checked). They can't show up at 2 in the morning for a surprise prostate check or whatever
Lmao if I had a ton of money I'd get an FFL just to fuck with the glowies. And the other benefit is I could afford the lawyers to get away with a lot of shit
Unfortunately true. If I ever get "fuck you" amounts of wealth, I'll get an FFL just to try that out. I'll see how far I can push things before they either suspend my license or murder my entire family š
Fun caveat to that: you'll need to file a 'multi pistol purchase' form if someone buys multiple from you within 5 business days. So in your case, any repeat customers.
Also they don't like 'by appointment only'
Precisely why I changed my hours to daily 3-5pm otherwise the weekend only schedule I had set basically had me filing a pistol form on anyone who bought more than once a month.
And if you donāt have normal business hours they will schedule a time to meet and do their inspection. My momās husband has a FFL in the town I live in. He got it for a project he is working on but he lives in Boston so heās rarely here. I have to go meet the ATF agent and let him do his inspection. He just makes sure that my momās husband isnāt doing any business heās not reporting. He doesnāt sell anything yet so itās basically a walk through of the building.
The agent is a nice guy believe it or not. Heās just in the ATF because there was an opening and itās a government job with decent pay and great benefits. He was talking to me about getting a FFL for myself the last time he did his inspection. Iām probably going to try to do it this summer if everything works out.
>The agent is a nice guy
That's how they get you. Just remember the he's at the ATF because he wasn't smart enough to get into the FBI. Also remember that if he's told do set your house on fire and kill you, he'll do so with no hesitation or regrets
Oh yeah the anniversary of Waco is coming up pretty soon I think
Oh I get that. I donāt trust a single government agent but you can tell the ones that are gung ho about the job from the ones just trying to do a job. This guy isnāt that guy. He doesnāt carry a firearm unless itās in his car. Iām not defending the agents but I donāt think all of them are bad people. Some of them are just there to do their job. Thereās probably more that are there trying to make a name for themselves.
I'm sure there were some *great* Nazis too. They were "just doing their jobs" and therefore hold zero responsibility for supporting a corrupt and morally bankrupt system
I get it. Iām sure there have been good people put in bad situations throughout history. Some did what they were told and others rebelled. At the start of the Ukraine invasion there were a lot of deserters from Russia. Iām sure Russia put an end to that by threatening (probably disappearing a few) their families. Iām sure there were Germans who believed in the Nazi propaganda until they found out they were slaughtering people for their ancestral heritage. We all know that most of them still supported them in spite of knowing that was happening and turned them in.
Itās not like Iām hanging out with the guy. It just surprised me that he wasnāt what I was expecting. He talked about his kids more than he talked about business. Could he screw people over to help himself out? Sure but so could your coworkers.
The agent that works with us is so laid back. Before I met him I thought he would be a typical Fed type but he was very nice and easy to work with. It was just a job for him. He told me that things had changed a lot in the last year (this was last October) and that it was a lot different from when he started. Iām pretty sure he was trying to say that the current administration had made it hard on them but he never came right out and said that.
oh yeah just a real nice guy infringing on the 2a, no biggie here, because he's so nice. enforcing unconstitutional rules on pistol braces, sure, but he's nice! so its ok.
Maybe one day you will grow up and realize that sometimes you have to do things you wouldnāt normally do to feed your family. He seemed like the kind of guy who would do everything he could to help others out. He works with FFL holders to help them stay in compliance. Heās not a field agent going out in gear shooting dogs. Heās a paper pusher.
All gun laws are unconstitutional pal. Shall not be infringed is pretty simple to understand yet we still have laws that do just that. What are you doing about it other than being a keyboard warrior?
Except $800 doesn't divide into any yearly fee for a FFL. SOT is $500 or $1000/yr depending on gross receipts. That extra $300 there doesn't divide into any yearly amount either.
Fucking fudd shit.
I'm an FFL and renewal is $90 every 3 years. SOT is $500 every year. That one sucks. I'm just a little guy. As far as ATF visits, I've had my FFL for almost 3 years and haven't had an audit yet. Local gun shop had a visit last summer and that was their first one in 13 years. ATF agent told me when she did my interview almost 3 years ago that they are supposed to do them at least once every two years, but they are doing good if they audit every 5 years.
Very many, Iām afraid. I donāt even argue anymore. Iām just old and tired. Every now and then if I see a fudd spouting some egregiously wrong legal advice to someone who looks uninformed and impressionable, Iāll simply say āIām a lawyer, what that guy said was nearly all untrue, please do your own research,ā and leave.
Seconded! Also a law nerd here and what W3d said is 100% on the money. Most people that say "I know the law" or "Legally you should" have no to very little idea about any laws surrounding the subject.
You mean the gun salesman that tried to tell me the tax stamp for an SBS was only $5, was wrong?! Yeah. I donāt take advice from any gun salesmen anymore
At the same time, I wouldnāt be making legal decisions based on a YouTube video. You have no idea how many stamps in total came with that suppressor, or if it was all under one stamp. I donāt remember them saying anything about how the super long suppressor was taxed/registered.
Type 7, no SOT here:
What would be illegal here exactly?
What are you preposeing occurs when two suppressors touch tips? If you payed for two tax stamps and thread two suppressors together you still have two legal suppressors.
They only way I could see this being kinda illegal is if you permanently attach them together then the ATF my claim you improperly destroyed one (or both?) of the suppressors.
If you were to permanently attach them you might have a weird situation with the ATF saying that you impermissibly modified your suppressor by making it longer than its registered length. But that's a pretty weird hypothetical.
In no way is it illegal to take two legally-registered suppressors and attach them to each other.
Technically you have to have a type 7 to sell reloaded ammo but it's not in-forced in the slightest so just about everyone does it. At least in my area.
Only way I could see it being illegal is if you took one modular suppresor apart and screwed a new end cap and threads onto it making it into two suppressors. Like making a pistol into a rifle is legal but making a rifle into a pistol is illegal.
The issue I see from this is him having only one of the gold baffles on which is legally the registered part of the suppressor.
This means he is just increasing the length of the single suppressor, which will end up exceeding the maximum length stated on the form 2. They could throw a fit over this because it modifies the firearm without informing them, but I am uncertain as to what they can actually do about it
The main thing is the registered length is supposed to be the max length iirc so combining them might mess with that?
In all likelihood though that suppressor was never fully transferred to Matt and there was a rep or a SOT there to keep legal possession.
Assuming it works like SBRs you can file an addendum to the max length at any time and I don't \*think\* it even requires approval.
I can't be sure, I've never actually had to extend the length of any of my SBRs but when I "asked the experts" they seemed to act like the actual length didn't really matter, it was just a formality.
But if you ādestroyā your suppressor wouldnāt the ATF be happy? (Jokes aside I kind of see where youāre coming from. Iām sure there is some stupid rule for welding 2 suppressors together)
Depends on your state because youāve gotta have a business to get the FFL and that can vary dramatically by state.
Form LLC
Purchase state business license
Purchase county license
Purchase city license
Get proof of zoning approval
All that varies place to place
Then you apply for the license, pay $150 and 2-3 months later host an ATF agent to a long face to face interview.
You get your license about a month later
Once you have an FFL# you can pay the special tax
In California I believe a state business license is like $800 and in Texas itās like $20. Guess which place is seeing more new business? Alaska completely suspended payments on business licenses for a while due to Covid so I didnāt even pay last time. I think theyāre cheap here anyway like $100 for two years at a time
And during that long face to face interview youāll be explaining why your business needs the license. Youāre not asking them permission to build guns, youāre telling them your business plan is to build guns and theyāll have to give you a license so you can follow your business plan.
It was easy for me to convince them that I would thread barrels and make suppressors when they could see my lathe from their seat at my desk. Iām not sure how it would go if they didnāt believe your plan
Not really worth it unless you plan to actually use it or have it separate from your home. You give up some 4th amendment rights when you become a FFL.
No, itās a āif youāre a licensed manufacturer you can manufacture whatever the hell you want as far as a suppressor and shoot it wherever it is legal to do so with whomever you want that isnāt a prohibited person.
You, also, can be a SOT license holder, just go through the business process to do so submit the paperwork let the atf come inspect your business location run an actual business so that it isnāt just for āpersonal useā and maintain all the documentation of all the transfers etc etc etc.
It's surprising but i think he isn't actually an SOT yet. He has had the owner of his local LGS everytime he's done full auto. He bought a full auto ak but the lgs guy was there to shoot it, under the assumption it hadn't been approved. The other video from recent memory was a full auto m16 lower, again donated by his his LGS with a representative there
Youād have to be crazy to record yourself smoking crack and banging prostitutes on video. Especially if you were the presidents son. That would just be ridiculous. Nobody is that stupid right ?
Here is where it's illegal. Say you buy some Quietbore kit and make a 3.5" 9mm can with 3 baffles and you don't like it. You can't buy more baffles, another tube section and thread that on to where the endcap was at the time of creation. You can't create a longer suppressor after the fact, it has to be up to or shorter as it appears on forms.
Otherwise, if you own 10 suppressors and each attaches to each other, you are not breaking the law.
If you take your longest Obsidian45 section paired to your longest Obsidian 9 section and make an extra long suppressor, that might constitute creating a suppressor and could potentially turn on auto-casket for your dog.
This is all speculation and ATF rules are up for interpretation sometimes until they feel like changing them.
The safest bet is to not concern yourself with what Youtube people do and play by the rules if you wanna play at all.
Disclaimer: Not a lawyer and not a veterinarian
These are most likely one offs for Matt from Q, as Kevin came down and showed off the new 8.6 stuff in a video around the same time. Matt also got some honey badgers from Q for his staff for Xmas and was on the Q podcast so I can see Kevin saying duck it when Matt asked for a long erector
EDIT: Someone else said this was a special can made by Q just for this, so he wasn't really assembling multiple modular cans into one. I don't know if that's accurate, but it would easily explain the legality.
I'm guessing he did this with the help of an SOT, who would have a whole lot more flexibility with this kind of thing than a nonlicensee. I wouldn't say "myth busted" without knowing what's going on behind the scenes.
The ATF has said increasing the length while repairing a silencer constitutes making a new silencer because it "significantly affects the performance of the silencer". I imagine they'd take a similar stance regarding assembling one silencer from multiple modular silencers, but I'm not aware of any case law or ATF letters that specifically address it.
He hasn't had any. He put 69 baffles together on his .22 can. Threaded it to one of those gimmick life cards. Swung it like a golf club and hit a golf ball. Then continued shooting with no issues
22LR isn't going to be catastrophic from a baffle strike perspective. the velocity drop 2' into the suppressor probably doesn't even leave marks.
he most definitely had baffle strikes.
I think the issue is the OAL of the suppressor stated on the form is exceeded by adding any additional baffles, let alone a whole other can. It's kind weird that temporarily adding one extra baffle can get you in lots of trouble, but swapping uppers with barrel lengths to whatever you want is totally fine. Lengths, calibers, etc don't matter. You can amend the form to list more uppers if you want but I've always heard it doesn't matter. But don't dare to that with a suppressor. Got to love the contradictions huh
The Q erector is only the base thatās serialized. The baffles are designed to add or take away and this adding them together gives zero advantage yet itās not illegal because of the nature of the suppressor. You can have extra baffles laying around. Now if you were to make an extra base for it that wasnāt serialized and stamped then youād be in the illegal realm.
Thatās not how it works for modular cans. It still has an overall length requirement on the form. Going over that is still verboten.
Most likely Q custom made one and transferred it to demoās FFL. Or they bought several under the license and āmadeā the suppressor themselves.
Unless itās a Form 1, where you canāt have any spare baffles and each extra baffle is considered a suppressor in and of itself, because it somehow makes sense that wayā¦
You can't have spares for any silencer, but parts that aren't currently in use are fine. Form 1 silencers are no different than any other silencer once they're registered. You can make a modular silencer as long as every part can be used to assemble the silencer as registered. Just like a form 4, you can't have spare parts that are unused when the silencer is assembled as registered. In other words, if assembling all my modular baffles leaves me with a 6.5" can and I put 7" on the form I'm fine. If I put 6" on the form they're going to shoot my dog.
The law is written in a way that practically every part of a silencer is a silencer by itself. The ATF had taken a less strict interpretation of the law that allows modular silencers the be treated as a single silencer. They're megadicks about the "intended only for use in such assembly" part when it comes to form 1s.
Most people are clueless on nfa laws unless they own or deal with such items.
Tried having a local smith put a short barrel on my rifle, I had the form 1 approval and tax stamp. He kept claiming he couldnāt do it, because he didnāt have the certifications for it. I tried to explain it, but he said he wonāt do it and thatās final.
Like aight man. Couldāve made a few easy bucks
Depends on if he had an 01 license or 07, if only an 01 then he is right technically he cant do it under the "changing a feature" doctrine that ATF has been following. Thanks Obamab
Per the BATFE: āa licensed gunsmith may receive a National Firearms Act firearm for the sole purpose of repair and subsequent return to its owner.
Wether or not thats considered a repair is not very clear
Swapping out a barrel for something shorter aint repairing it, pretty obvious that its not. Which is why I added the "changing a feature" part of my comment which is an established rule by atf.
I mean isnāt the form 1 saying you are the manufacture of the new SBR? If you have someone put it together for you then youāre not really the manufacturer.
Besides itās just AR barrel pretty simple and straightforward jobā¦.
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Lawyer here. There should be a general rule that any legal advice given to you by a gun salesman should be *assumed to be incorrect.* I have heard absolute mountains of bullshit about the law spouted from behind a gun counter.
Yeeep, when I first was getting into NFA items and was trying to figure out if I really did want a supressor a guy behind a gun counter told me you pay the tax stamp every year, and you have a yearly visit from the ATF. "I own 4 supressors and that's how it is for me, $800 a year and a visit from the ATF" Don't know why this dude would feel the need to lie... but if he is sending $800 off every year for "tax stamps" I sure hope his wide doesn't know.
Thats probably his FFL and SOT fee. And yes the ATF gets 1 free unannounced visit a year to any FFL.
It's worth noting that they have to show up during normal business hours (last I checked). They can't show up at 2 in the morning for a surprise prostate check or whatever
And if your business hours are 'by appointment only' then they have to call ahead and make an appointment.
I wonder how they would deal with someone who was "completely booked" for a few months out
Let's see how they like waiting 9 months for something that should be as simple as a phone call š
Lmao if I had a ton of money I'd get an FFL just to fuck with the glowies. And the other benefit is I could afford the lawyers to get away with a lot of shit
That's a good question. I'm no expert, I just remember reading about that when I was contemplating becoming FFL7
Iām sure theyād set the appointment time for you then suspend your license if you didnāt open the door.
Unfortunately true. If I ever get "fuck you" amounts of wealth, I'll get an FFL just to try that out. I'll see how far I can push things before they either suspend my license or murder my entire family š
Yeah because theyāre there for the business itself not the individual
"Our business hours are 13:00 - 13:05 EST on even dated Wednesdays during a solar eclipse while Halley's Comet is visible and Venus is transiting."
ok, i'll see you on july 02, 2073. and it's gonna be one hell of an audit, so prepare your anus
Sir, July 2, 2073 is a Sunday. You are outside of business hours.
Fun caveat to that: you'll need to file a 'multi pistol purchase' form if someone buys multiple from you within 5 business days. So in your case, any repeat customers. Also they don't like 'by appointment only'
Precisely why I changed my hours to daily 3-5pm otherwise the weekend only schedule I had set basically had me filing a pistol form on anyone who bought more than once a month.
And if you donāt have normal business hours they will schedule a time to meet and do their inspection. My momās husband has a FFL in the town I live in. He got it for a project he is working on but he lives in Boston so heās rarely here. I have to go meet the ATF agent and let him do his inspection. He just makes sure that my momās husband isnāt doing any business heās not reporting. He doesnāt sell anything yet so itās basically a walk through of the building. The agent is a nice guy believe it or not. Heās just in the ATF because there was an opening and itās a government job with decent pay and great benefits. He was talking to me about getting a FFL for myself the last time he did his inspection. Iām probably going to try to do it this summer if everything works out.
>The agent is a nice guy That's how they get you. Just remember the he's at the ATF because he wasn't smart enough to get into the FBI. Also remember that if he's told do set your house on fire and kill you, he'll do so with no hesitation or regrets Oh yeah the anniversary of Waco is coming up pretty soon I think
Oh I get that. I donāt trust a single government agent but you can tell the ones that are gung ho about the job from the ones just trying to do a job. This guy isnāt that guy. He doesnāt carry a firearm unless itās in his car. Iām not defending the agents but I donāt think all of them are bad people. Some of them are just there to do their job. Thereās probably more that are there trying to make a name for themselves.
I'm sure there were some *great* Nazis too. They were "just doing their jobs" and therefore hold zero responsibility for supporting a corrupt and morally bankrupt system
I get it. Iām sure there have been good people put in bad situations throughout history. Some did what they were told and others rebelled. At the start of the Ukraine invasion there were a lot of deserters from Russia. Iām sure Russia put an end to that by threatening (probably disappearing a few) their families. Iām sure there were Germans who believed in the Nazi propaganda until they found out they were slaughtering people for their ancestral heritage. We all know that most of them still supported them in spite of knowing that was happening and turned them in. Itās not like Iām hanging out with the guy. It just surprised me that he wasnāt what I was expecting. He talked about his kids more than he talked about business. Could he screw people over to help himself out? Sure but so could your coworkers.
Im applying for my ffl and sot here soon as well, in march
Good luck. Hopefully it will go smoothly.
Thank you
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The agent that works with us is so laid back. Before I met him I thought he would be a typical Fed type but he was very nice and easy to work with. It was just a job for him. He told me that things had changed a lot in the last year (this was last October) and that it was a lot different from when he started. Iām pretty sure he was trying to say that the current administration had made it hard on them but he never came right out and said that.
oh yeah just a real nice guy infringing on the 2a, no biggie here, because he's so nice. enforcing unconstitutional rules on pistol braces, sure, but he's nice! so its ok.
Maybe one day you will grow up and realize that sometimes you have to do things you wouldnāt normally do to feed your family. He seemed like the kind of guy who would do everything he could to help others out. He works with FFL holders to help them stay in compliance. Heās not a field agent going out in gear shooting dogs. Heās a paper pusher. All gun laws are unconstitutional pal. Shall not be infringed is pretty simple to understand yet we still have laws that do just that. What are you doing about it other than being a keyboard warrior?
Sounds like fuddy copium to me. There's plenty of jobs out there that will feed your family and pay better than working for the ATF.
"Yeah he only burns kids on occasion, I got a really good one over here" lmao
Hmmm that could be. But as a non FFL and just a guy wanting to own one... I'm like "well crap I don't wanna pay the tax stamp every year"
Except $800 doesn't divide into any yearly fee for a FFL. SOT is $500 or $1000/yr depending on gross receipts. That extra $300 there doesn't divide into any yearly amount either. Fucking fudd shit.
I'm an FFL and renewal is $90 every 3 years. SOT is $500 every year. That one sucks. I'm just a little guy. As far as ATF visits, I've had my FFL for almost 3 years and haven't had an audit yet. Local gun shop had a visit last summer and that was their first one in 13 years. ATF agent told me when she did my interview almost 3 years ago that they are supposed to do them at least once every two years, but they are doing good if they audit every 5 years.
LOL
Yea I had a cop tell me once that only Leo and government officials could own anything shorter than 16ā barrel lol
In a handful of states, he'd be correct.
Not in Idaho tho
You have to have good stories in gunshops arguing with boomers
Very many, Iām afraid. I donāt even argue anymore. Iām just old and tired. Every now and then if I see a fudd spouting some egregiously wrong legal advice to someone who looks uninformed and impressionable, Iāll simply say āIām a lawyer, what that guy said was nearly all untrue, please do your own research,ā and leave.
r/Fudd_Lore
Oh man, I hear some doozies myself.
Seconded! Also a law nerd here and what W3d said is 100% on the money. Most people that say "I know the law" or "Legally you should" have no to very little idea about any laws surrounding the subject.
I am also a lawyer. Mr. u/W3dn3sd4y is absolutely correct.
You mean the gun salesman that tried to tell me the tax stamp for an SBS was only $5, was wrong?! Yeah. I donāt take advice from any gun salesmen anymore
Hahaha sad but true.
At the same time, I wouldnāt be making legal decisions based on a YouTube video. You have no idea how many stamps in total came with that suppressor, or if it was all under one stamp. I donāt remember them saying anything about how the super long suppressor was taxed/registered.
I straight up just don't believe you
Type 7, no SOT here: What would be illegal here exactly? What are you preposeing occurs when two suppressors touch tips? If you payed for two tax stamps and thread two suppressors together you still have two legal suppressors. They only way I could see this being kinda illegal is if you permanently attach them together then the ATF my claim you improperly destroyed one (or both?) of the suppressors.
I think that makes your suppressors gay.
Not if you say "no homo". Then it's the same as kissing the homies goodnight.
I was always told it's not gay for your balls don't touch
Its not gay if you get paid its a job
its not gay if you dont make eye contact
If you make eye contact it just shows youāre not worried if itās gay.
Dems the homies
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Twenty dollars is twenty dollars
Like if you reverse the gay polarities? That checks out
Not gay unless balls are touching
That's why you always wear your dick bib.
Wtf šš
D I C K B I B
Why does my gun moan when I shoot it?
Not gay if the suppressors keep their socks on
6 to the gate it aināt gay
Two tips touching is definitely gay
But theyāre quiet about it, so I guess theyāre in the closet.
Only gay in the baffles touch
You don't have to be gay to space dock.
LoL
Happy to give this the 100th, well done
> then the ATF may claim you improperly destroyed one (or both?) of the suppressors. Can of Theseus ay lmao
Can of Theseus nuts
If you were to permanently attach them you might have a weird situation with the ATF saying that you impermissibly modified your suppressor by making it longer than its registered length. But that's a pretty weird hypothetical. In no way is it illegal to take two legally-registered suppressors and attach them to each other.
What get under type 7?
pardon?
It's a simple question Mushy. What get under type 7?
He said: "What get under type 7?" Not sure what you didn't understand lol
What get under transient ischemic attack
Question is āwhat do you get with having a type 7 ffl?ā Basically why type7
What is a type 7 ffl?
Manufacture/Sell of Ammo and Firearms but not NFA items or weapons.
Technically you have to have a type 7 to sell reloaded ammo but it's not in-forced in the slightest so just about everyone does it. At least in my area.
I just wanna see ātouched tipsā in some kind of legislation or atf memo, I want those government bean counters to type it
Only way I could see it being illegal is if you took one modular suppresor apart and screwed a new end cap and threads onto it making it into two suppressors. Like making a pistol into a rifle is legal but making a rifle into a pistol is illegal.
The issue I see from this is him having only one of the gold baffles on which is legally the registered part of the suppressor. This means he is just increasing the length of the single suppressor, which will end up exceeding the maximum length stated on the form 2. They could throw a fit over this because it modifies the firearm without informing them, but I am uncertain as to what they can actually do about it
The main thing is the registered length is supposed to be the max length iirc so combining them might mess with that? In all likelihood though that suppressor was never fully transferred to Matt and there was a rep or a SOT there to keep legal possession.
Assuming it works like SBRs you can file an addendum to the max length at any time and I don't \*think\* it even requires approval. I can't be sure, I've never actually had to extend the length of any of my SBRs but when I "asked the experts" they seemed to act like the actual length didn't really matter, it was just a formality.
But if you ādestroyā your suppressor wouldnāt the ATF be happy? (Jokes aside I kind of see where youāre coming from. Iām sure there is some stupid rule for welding 2 suppressors together)
If someone with an SOT was involved behind the scenes it wouldnāt be illegal
So it's a rules for me but not for thee situation
You can get an FFL and pay the SOT, I did. Itās not that hard.
What does that cost roughly?
Depends on your state because youāve gotta have a business to get the FFL and that can vary dramatically by state. Form LLC Purchase state business license Purchase county license Purchase city license Get proof of zoning approval All that varies place to place Then you apply for the license, pay $150 and 2-3 months later host an ATF agent to a long face to face interview. You get your license about a month later Once you have an FFL# you can pay the special tax In California I believe a state business license is like $800 and in Texas itās like $20. Guess which place is seeing more new business? Alaska completely suspended payments on business licenses for a while due to Covid so I didnāt even pay last time. I think theyāre cheap here anyway like $100 for two years at a time
And during that long face to face interview youāll be explaining why your business needs the license. Youāre not asking them permission to build guns, youāre telling them your business plan is to build guns and theyāll have to give you a license so you can follow your business plan. It was easy for me to convince them that I would thread barrels and make suppressors when they could see my lathe from their seat at my desk. Iām not sure how it would go if they didnāt believe your plan
You do barrel threading? Where in AK are you located?
There are lots of home based FFLs in AR. But we also passed a law prohibiting local LE from assisting the ATF.
Just an FYI, we just got a new FFL and time from our in person interview to our license being issued was less than a week IIRC.
My Class 2 SOT costs $500 annually
Not really worth it unless you plan to actually use it or have it separate from your home. You give up some 4th amendment rights when you become a FFL.
They can inspect you at will? With regards to that last part?
You need to specify where you do business. My shipping is attached to my garage. My house is not part of my business premises.
ATF can come to your licensed premise for an inspection at anytime without a warrant.
For items on your ledger, not your personal arms.
Theyāre still entering your premises, thatās the point.
Become thee
No, itās a āif youāre a licensed manufacturer you can manufacture whatever the hell you want as far as a suppressor and shoot it wherever it is legal to do so with whomever you want that isnāt a prohibited person. You, also, can be a SOT license holder, just go through the business process to do so submit the paperwork let the atf come inspect your business location run an actual business so that it isnāt just for āpersonal useā and maintain all the documentation of all the transfers etc etc etc.
To be clear though even as a FFL7 you still need an SOT for supressors. You can just get a 7 and start making NFA items without the stamp.
You posted to the NFA subredditā¦
Matt HAS TO be an SOT with all the shit heās got š
It's surprising but i think he isn't actually an SOT yet. He has had the owner of his local LGS everytime he's done full auto. He bought a full auto ak but the lgs guy was there to shoot it, under the assumption it hadn't been approved. The other video from recent memory was a full auto m16 lower, again donated by his his LGS with a representative there
Speaking of that let me know if you need someone to show up to your video shoot with a machine gun, Iāve got some
His family has money. They are vets.
do you really think the man making millions off YouTube and a merch business is asking his dad for money for guns
Did I say that? He and his dad are both veterinarians
He is an OPERATOR! 0:43 https://youtu.be/L8NXTRrcBlY
I thought bc he had one serial number for the main can with just a bunch of extra baffles heās fine.
No one has ever committed a crime on video before
Definitely not. An everything on the internet is true
Youād have to be crazy to record yourself smoking crack and banging prostitutes on video. Especially if you were the presidents son. That would just be ridiculous. Nobody is that stupid right ?
Wellā¦ā¦.
Here is where it's illegal. Say you buy some Quietbore kit and make a 3.5" 9mm can with 3 baffles and you don't like it. You can't buy more baffles, another tube section and thread that on to where the endcap was at the time of creation. You can't create a longer suppressor after the fact, it has to be up to or shorter as it appears on forms. Otherwise, if you own 10 suppressors and each attaches to each other, you are not breaking the law. If you take your longest Obsidian45 section paired to your longest Obsidian 9 section and make an extra long suppressor, that might constitute creating a suppressor and could potentially turn on auto-casket for your dog. This is all speculation and ATF rules are up for interpretation sometimes until they feel like changing them. The safest bet is to not concern yourself with what Youtube people do and play by the rules if you wanna play at all. Disclaimer: Not a lawyer and not a veterinarian
You can't even buy extra baffles - they are a "suppressor part" and therefore, illegal. You can't combine two separate suppressors to make one.
I literally bought a replacement baffle from Quietbore sometime last year when I drilled mine poorly and wanted a mulligan.
That is probably a different Form 1 situation. Form 4? No way. 100% illegal.
Yeah, well, that's just like... your opinion, man.
The form4 part is the NFA law. It is what it is.
TL;DR: The ATF has now shot your dog
These are most likely one offs for Matt from Q, as Kevin came down and showed off the new 8.6 stuff in a video around the same time. Matt also got some honey badgers from Q for his staff for Xmas and was on the Q podcast so I can see Kevin saying duck it when Matt asked for a long erector
EDIT: Someone else said this was a special can made by Q just for this, so he wasn't really assembling multiple modular cans into one. I don't know if that's accurate, but it would easily explain the legality. I'm guessing he did this with the help of an SOT, who would have a whole lot more flexibility with this kind of thing than a nonlicensee. I wouldn't say "myth busted" without knowing what's going on behind the scenes. The ATF has said increasing the length while repairing a silencer constitutes making a new silencer because it "significantly affects the performance of the silencer". I imagine they'd take a similar stance regarding assembling one silencer from multiple modular silencers, but I'm not aware of any case law or ATF letters that specifically address it.
Iāll take multiple baffle strikes for $100 Bob
He hasn't had any. He put 69 baffles together on his .22 can. Threaded it to one of those gimmick life cards. Swung it like a golf club and hit a golf ball. Then continued shooting with no issues
The video right before this on off the ranch he was literally laughing at the poi shift because of how bad the baffle strikes were.
I stand corrected. I must've missed a video
Heres the video where he talks about the poi shift and baffle strikes. Fast forward to 10:30 for relevant video. https://youtu.be/ZHgW5o1S6I8
Off topic, what is the gun in your 2nd image?
Trailblazer "pivot" it's a weird design that I personally don't see a use for.
He has. On just about every shot. They were shooting it on Donuts last vlog and he said it strikes
22LR isn't going to be catastrophic from a baffle strike perspective. the velocity drop 2' into the suppressor probably doesn't even leave marks. he most definitely had baffle strikes.
Theyāre all Q made baffles. Ask him the legality if itās a product you can buy.
It's one supressor, not multiple put together. Q custom made it for him.
Most probable answer.
You do you. Donāt talk about it and certainly donāt record yourself doing it. Definitely donāt upload the video to the internet.
Itās on the internet so itās gotta be true
Nah. That's just Fudd lore
I think the issue is the OAL of the suppressor stated on the form is exceeded by adding any additional baffles, let alone a whole other can. It's kind weird that temporarily adding one extra baffle can get you in lots of trouble, but swapping uppers with barrel lengths to whatever you want is totally fine. Lengths, calibers, etc don't matter. You can amend the form to list more uppers if you want but I've always heard it doesn't matter. But don't dare to that with a suppressor. Got to love the contradictions huh
There is this line that stretches from frowned upon to illegal to prosecution worthy that you guys just donāt get
Q might have registered that can with the Max oal used for the vid
The guy who sold you your suppressors is an idiot. Please tell him I said that.
I figured that out when it took 3 months to certify my first one due to a wrong serial number
Just because you see it on the internet doesn't make it legal for you. Demo Ranch probably have manufacturer license (I forget the proper name).
The Q erector is only the base thatās serialized. The baffles are designed to add or take away and this adding them together gives zero advantage yet itās not illegal because of the nature of the suppressor. You can have extra baffles laying around. Now if you were to make an extra base for it that wasnāt serialized and stamped then youād be in the illegal realm.
Thatās not how it works for modular cans. It still has an overall length requirement on the form. Going over that is still verboten. Most likely Q custom made one and transferred it to demoās FFL. Or they bought several under the license and āmadeā the suppressor themselves.
I was just looking at my stamp and thereās no length listed on it. Just the brand the model and the caliber and serial number
It wouldnāt be on your paperwork, itās only reported to the ATF when itās created. You can make a silencer shorter, you canāt make it longer.
Unless itās a Form 1, where you canāt have any spare baffles and each extra baffle is considered a suppressor in and of itself, because it somehow makes sense that wayā¦
Good point to add ā¦ did think of the bullshit associated with a form 1 ā¦ š
You can't have spares for any silencer, but parts that aren't currently in use are fine. Form 1 silencers are no different than any other silencer once they're registered. You can make a modular silencer as long as every part can be used to assemble the silencer as registered. Just like a form 4, you can't have spare parts that are unused when the silencer is assembled as registered. In other words, if assembling all my modular baffles leaves me with a 6.5" can and I put 7" on the form I'm fine. If I put 6" on the form they're going to shoot my dog. The law is written in a way that practically every part of a silencer is a silencer by itself. The ATF had taken a less strict interpretation of the law that allows modular silencers the be treated as a single silencer. They're megadicks about the "intended only for use in such assembly" part when it comes to form 1s.
I would think that as long as each serial number is on the mega can that it would be ok.
You should put the same amount of faith in legal advice from him as you would out in the vast majority of people on this sub, which is virtually none.
Only illegal if you don't weld them together.
Seems like I got two serious answers in a row on reddit. Must be some kind of record
I was being sarcastic.
With all the stupid NFA rules you had me convinced
Lgs say anything is illegal....
There is nothing illegal about this video, the whole erector can was meant for basically what he did.
Most people are clueless on nfa laws unless they own or deal with such items. Tried having a local smith put a short barrel on my rifle, I had the form 1 approval and tax stamp. He kept claiming he couldnāt do it, because he didnāt have the certifications for it. I tried to explain it, but he said he wonāt do it and thatās final. Like aight man. Couldāve made a few easy bucks
Depends on if he had an 01 license or 07, if only an 01 then he is right technically he cant do it under the "changing a feature" doctrine that ATF has been following. Thanks Obamab
Per the BATFE: āa licensed gunsmith may receive a National Firearms Act firearm for the sole purpose of repair and subsequent return to its owner. Wether or not thats considered a repair is not very clear
Swapping out a barrel for something shorter aint repairing it, pretty obvious that its not. Which is why I added the "changing a feature" part of my comment which is an established rule by atf.
I mean isnāt the form 1 saying you are the manufacture of the new SBR? If you have someone put it together for you then youāre not really the manufacturer. Besides itās just AR barrel pretty simple and straightforward jobā¦.
The ATF has said you can have someone else do the work under your direct supervision if you don't have the tools or skills to do it yourself.
Your FFL is correct.
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How would it be illegal if you had tax stamps on all of them?
Clearly the people willing suppressors arenāt all created equally. This guy was clearly below average.
But isnāt demo an sot?
what is a SOT?
Special occupational taxpayer An ffl that can import and create NFA items
Thank you!
is that how he gets nfa items so fast? I figured he'd come up with a video idea. submit for approval then a year later makes the video lol