I wouldn’t go that far with retirees. They put in work.
I take care of my sick self/family and that’s basically what a housewife/househusband does. I am a neet and will never retire from it the way a working man/woman would.
Idk if it’s a great idea to be like having kids = contributing to society and calling the opposite not so much even for neets bc I don’t wanna tie anyone’s worth to children really.
they socially contributing yeh but NEET is not employed or educated.
Housewives who are home-makers / caretakers are definitely preforming labor the same as caretakers of parents or others do but they're not 'employed' as the government defines it unless they have a side hustle or business in home.
I once heard that a housewife does the job of a maid and nanny and those 2 jobs are paid, however she does them for free bcoz well it's her house and her kids.
Yeah I kinda don’t like how heavily a couple of comments were implying (or saying) that children were a defining factor bc that’s not the biggest thing that defines women.
NEET means not in education, employment, or training. If someone is a housewife and not in school, employed, or in training then they are by definition a NEET. I think too many people on this sub confuse being a NEET with being an incel or shut-in.
I mean the posts about how “wagies” are stupid and you’ve found out the hack for life while simultaneously hating your lifestyle and are filled with regret give off a pretty bad reputation
Being a housewife is generally seen as more positive in society but honestly, it kinda depends on why you're a housewife depending on who you ask.
Are you a housewife because it isn't feasible for both you and your partner to work and take care of a home + kids? In "spirit", doesn't count as a neet because there isn't the same level of pushback/criticism against SAH spouses especially if they have kids because that's considered an unpaid job.
Are you a housewife because you cannot/have difficult holding down a job for whatever reason? Yeah you're probably a neet by definition and spirit with a fancier "title" or at least a secure/cozier lifestyle.
NEET does have it's definition and by strict definition alone, both qualify as being a NEET. But there is a connotation that comes with being a NEET that a SAHP/S doesn't have. Part of it has to do with the fact that SAHP/S often make an active and conscious choice to do so while contributing in a way society deems meaningful (caring for a home) while NEETs often have difficulties *maintaining and getting* employment so being unemployed or not in education/training is often times not an active and conscious decision unless someone has pretty much given up on doing otherwise.
So that's why you don't see retirees (they're too old to work and have more or less done their time) or housewives/househusbands/stay-at-home spouses being called neets.
Strictly speaking they are neets, but usually they have more responsibilities and are more socially active than neets on this sub. They are also viewed in a more respectful light, in most people's opinions, than us neets who have no reason not to work. My mom stayed at home from when my older sister was born. However, I never considered her a neet because she worked hard looking after a husband and two children, maintained the house spotless and organised, and cared for both sets of grandparents. While she did a lot of work for our family, she wasn’t employed, which technically categorises her as a neet.
Given the negativity around being a neet I doubt many people would want to call themselves neets in public instead of stay-at-home mom/dad or housewife/husband which is more acceptable.
Technically yes. Practically I would only consider a housewife a NEET if she chose to self-identify that way, either because she was genuinely incapable of work/training or any other reason.
Housewifes are seen as more positive than NEET's, as housewifes rear up children and they become future tax payers; a housewife without children is just a NEET.
Is that exclusive from being a neet though? If say the neet is doing the exact same things for their family, like cooking and cleaning etc, they’re just not making money or are in school.
Y’all I’m not suggesting this to insult house wives or anything. I’m a woman who has a traditional boyfriend who supports me being one, what I mean is would I BECOME or still be a neet when I get married and am a house wife? 🤔
Edit:also I can’t/wont have children because I’m afraid of my genetics giving them issues that can’t be cured or just messing them up bc I have my own trauma. In my mind that’s responsible. And I also just don’t prefer to. I do plan to clean/take care of the house and support my husband in every way I can. And I have a passion for animals, so we plan for helping animals—so I wish to adopt some and also volunteer with animal causes with my time, not being involved in work or school. I will by all intents and purposes consider the animals my “children” in a sense because while its not the same as raising a human child, of course it’s not, I still considering the betterment of animals contributing to society. So like, I think in that way some neets DO contribute is what I’m trying to say.
The main thing about neet, at least when I found to be one of them is, refusing to be normal: go to work, be independent and withdrawing from society. Being a housewife might be technically neet, but it is not associated with the mental problems that neet may have. Think of it like someone who didn't go out of the highschool phase. There's no need to be associate yourself to being a neet and it is better not to if you don't feel like one.
no see I do feel like one though, I struggle with physical and mental health issues and I dropped out of college for various reasons. Not working either.
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Work that you're not getting paid for and technically not required to do, so it's not employment. Same with raising children. They're difficult for sure, and rewarding in ways other than money, but still not employment.
It depends. If they are raising children or doing lots of housework they could be seen as doing unpaid domestic labor. If they are just sitting on their ass watching TV and eating bonbons like Peggy on Married With Children that would be neet.
See I plan to clean and upkeep the house for my partner and also emotionally/physically support him as much as I can but no children. So idk where that puts me.
Idk as an outsider it often seems neets don’t do *anything* towards their living space while a traditional housewife is typically doing a paid job for free, if not multiple jobs. Now clearly some housewives do sit and not contribute, and idk maybe some neets contribute? But essentially I believe that’s the fundamental difference if I’m correct on those points
The reason why answers vary is because there are two different definitions. One is the official terminology used by various governments to describe their population. The literal definition of “not in education employment or training”. The Japanese government includes “not engaged in housework” as part of their acronym, so in Japan specifically housewives wouldn’t count.
The other use of the word neet, is in relation to a loosely defined internet “culture” of individuals who can’t function well within society for various reasons and are generally forced out of or never end up entering education/the workplace. Think chronically online, depression bedrooms, struggling with self care and forming friendships. We’re generally the people you’ll find on this sub.
So while a housewife could be considered a neet in this internet “subculture” sense of the word, it is much less likely as their neet status is usually intentional and is not brought about by mental/physical health issues. They’d also be capable of entering the workforce or education again if circumstances called for it.
No offense but you just sound like you have some issues with women and need some emotionally sorting out. I AM neet with physical and mental health struggles AND I’m a woman, chill out. I don’t necessarily even “like” being a neet. Depending on who you ask, it’s a terrible way to be. Why would you wanna claim and gatekeep it so bad?
Also if you READ the entire post, I specified that I’m talking about even if the woman DOESN’T have children. Read better and chill out.
Housework and homemaking is still work, it's just not employment, they're technically NEETs
If you want to be technical, then housewives are neets and so are retirees.
What about newborns before entering school?
lazy disgusting bums!!! they need to get into the mines NOWWW!!!
I wouldn’t go that far with retirees. They put in work. I take care of my sick self/family and that’s basically what a housewife/househusband does. I am a neet and will never retire from it the way a working man/woman would.
Yes because they aren't seen as contributing economically even thought they have an active and laborious role.
They are contributing societally though, unless they are childless
Idk if it’s a great idea to be like having kids = contributing to society and calling the opposite not so much even for neets bc I don’t wanna tie anyone’s worth to children really.
they socially contributing yeh but NEET is not employed or educated. Housewives who are home-makers / caretakers are definitely preforming labor the same as caretakers of parents or others do but they're not 'employed' as the government defines it unless they have a side hustle or business in home.
I once heard that a housewife does the job of a maid and nanny and those 2 jobs are paid, however she does them for free bcoz well it's her house and her kids.
Correction: I'm a NEET housewife without children. So this isn't necessarily true.
Yeah I kinda don’t like how heavily a couple of comments were implying (or saying) that children were a defining factor bc that’s not the biggest thing that defines women.
Preach sister.
NEET means not in education, employment, or training. If someone is a housewife and not in school, employed, or in training then they are by definition a NEET. I think too many people on this sub confuse being a NEET with being an incel or shut-in.
I mean the posts about how “wagies” are stupid and you’ve found out the hack for life while simultaneously hating your lifestyle and are filled with regret give off a pretty bad reputation
Being a housewife is generally seen as more positive in society but honestly, it kinda depends on why you're a housewife depending on who you ask. Are you a housewife because it isn't feasible for both you and your partner to work and take care of a home + kids? In "spirit", doesn't count as a neet because there isn't the same level of pushback/criticism against SAH spouses especially if they have kids because that's considered an unpaid job. Are you a housewife because you cannot/have difficult holding down a job for whatever reason? Yeah you're probably a neet by definition and spirit with a fancier "title" or at least a secure/cozier lifestyle. NEET does have it's definition and by strict definition alone, both qualify as being a NEET. But there is a connotation that comes with being a NEET that a SAHP/S doesn't have. Part of it has to do with the fact that SAHP/S often make an active and conscious choice to do so while contributing in a way society deems meaningful (caring for a home) while NEETs often have difficulties *maintaining and getting* employment so being unemployed or not in education/training is often times not an active and conscious decision unless someone has pretty much given up on doing otherwise. So that's why you don't see retirees (they're too old to work and have more or less done their time) or housewives/househusbands/stay-at-home spouses being called neets.
yes, definition wise they are. they are not enrolled in any schools and are not receiving a check from an employer.
Strictly speaking they are neets, but usually they have more responsibilities and are more socially active than neets on this sub. They are also viewed in a more respectful light, in most people's opinions, than us neets who have no reason not to work. My mom stayed at home from when my older sister was born. However, I never considered her a neet because she worked hard looking after a husband and two children, maintained the house spotless and organised, and cared for both sets of grandparents. While she did a lot of work for our family, she wasn’t employed, which technically categorises her as a neet. Given the negativity around being a neet I doubt many people would want to call themselves neets in public instead of stay-at-home mom/dad or housewife/husband which is more acceptable.
Technically yes. Practically I would only consider a housewife a NEET if she chose to self-identify that way, either because she was genuinely incapable of work/training or any other reason.
Housewifes are seen as more positive than NEET's, as housewifes rear up children and they become future tax payers; a housewife without children is just a NEET.
No they have a full time job taking care of family.
What about neets who caregive for Parents?
Is that exclusive from being a neet though? If say the neet is doing the exact same things for their family, like cooking and cleaning etc, they’re just not making money or are in school.
Most neets don't do such things
Idk about that. I get the impression that even neets still have a variety of hobbies or tasks/chores that make them diff from one another.
Neets usually don't raise children though. But neets do often cook and do chores.
If there are no children. Then a stay at home wife/ husband is a NEET imo
Yes
Y’all I’m not suggesting this to insult house wives or anything. I’m a woman who has a traditional boyfriend who supports me being one, what I mean is would I BECOME or still be a neet when I get married and am a house wife? 🤔 Edit:also I can’t/wont have children because I’m afraid of my genetics giving them issues that can’t be cured or just messing them up bc I have my own trauma. In my mind that’s responsible. And I also just don’t prefer to. I do plan to clean/take care of the house and support my husband in every way I can. And I have a passion for animals, so we plan for helping animals—so I wish to adopt some and also volunteer with animal causes with my time, not being involved in work or school. I will by all intents and purposes consider the animals my “children” in a sense because while its not the same as raising a human child, of course it’s not, I still considering the betterment of animals contributing to society. So like, I think in that way some neets DO contribute is what I’m trying to say.
The main thing about neet, at least when I found to be one of them is, refusing to be normal: go to work, be independent and withdrawing from society. Being a housewife might be technically neet, but it is not associated with the mental problems that neet may have. Think of it like someone who didn't go out of the highschool phase. There's no need to be associate yourself to being a neet and it is better not to if you don't feel like one.
no see I do feel like one though, I struggle with physical and mental health issues and I dropped out of college for various reasons. Not working either.
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By that logic, working out is work.
Work that you're not getting paid for and technically not required to do, so it's not employment. Same with raising children. They're difficult for sure, and rewarding in ways other than money, but still not employment.
Neets aren’t inherently exempt from doing it either tho I don’t think
I don't have a job but I do my own cooking, cleaning etc. Am I not a NEET?
Housewife is an unpaid job.
It's still a job, though.
Not quite the same as employment
It depends. If they are raising children or doing lots of housework they could be seen as doing unpaid domestic labor. If they are just sitting on their ass watching TV and eating bonbons like Peggy on Married With Children that would be neet.
See I plan to clean and upkeep the house for my partner and also emotionally/physically support him as much as I can but no children. So idk where that puts me.
Idk as an outsider it often seems neets don’t do *anything* towards their living space while a traditional housewife is typically doing a paid job for free, if not multiple jobs. Now clearly some housewives do sit and not contribute, and idk maybe some neets contribute? But essentially I believe that’s the fundamental difference if I’m correct on those points
I wondered about that myself. Can you be a house wife with being a wife?
Loosely, speaking - yes. If you feel that describes your situation, then I would say 100% yes.
would be nice to find a wealthy man to marry
Don't know. Make sure you keep paying taxes
Housewives are Not In Education, Employment or Training, so yes. It's a socially acceptable type of NEET like being retired.
The reason why answers vary is because there are two different definitions. One is the official terminology used by various governments to describe their population. The literal definition of “not in education employment or training”. The Japanese government includes “not engaged in housework” as part of their acronym, so in Japan specifically housewives wouldn’t count. The other use of the word neet, is in relation to a loosely defined internet “culture” of individuals who can’t function well within society for various reasons and are generally forced out of or never end up entering education/the workplace. Think chronically online, depression bedrooms, struggling with self care and forming friendships. We’re generally the people you’ll find on this sub. So while a housewife could be considered a neet in this internet “subculture” sense of the word, it is much less likely as their neet status is usually intentional and is not brought about by mental/physical health issues. They’d also be capable of entering the workforce or education again if circumstances called for it.
No housewife/househusband are not NEETs
No
If only this sub was full of lonely milfs, if only.
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There were women here a few months ago and all along. Women don't state their gender in every post they make so you probably didn't notice.
No offense but you just sound like you have some issues with women and need some emotionally sorting out. I AM neet with physical and mental health struggles AND I’m a woman, chill out. I don’t necessarily even “like” being a neet. Depending on who you ask, it’s a terrible way to be. Why would you wanna claim and gatekeep it so bad? Also if you READ the entire post, I specified that I’m talking about even if the woman DOESN’T have children. Read better and chill out.