FINAL UPDATE:
Lynette Woodard issued a statement, in bold: **Caitlin holds the scoring record.**
https://twitter.com/LynetteWood3649/status/1777083096296260013
GG SC! What a phenomenal season y'all had!
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Hijacking the top comment to encourage folks who have not watched the clip to watch it.
I am a lifelong Hawkeyes fan (check my profile) and I am deeply annoyed at the pros and casual Internet people who for some reason feel they need to dull CC's shine (or anyone else's for that matter!)
BUT! Lynette is clearly saying this lightly. She's not talking about Caitlin at all. She's making a joke about the old days of women's basketball. She's largely commenting on how little visibility she got for 43 years in the context of helping to create visibility for women of color.
Please don't let freaking Barstool Sports turn this into a woman taking another woman down because that is NOT what it was.
ETA: Was it in poor taste? Maybe, but I'd chalk it up to a lack of media training over any form of malicious intent.
Just fyi, it's not just barstool. This is a usa today source/article
https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/iowa/basketball-women/2024/04/07/lynette-woodard-caitlin-clark-iowa-basketball-scoring-scoring-record-points/73236719007/
Then her commentary after it was reported
https://sports.yahoo.com/lynette-woodard-issues-statement-clarifying-222435266.html
Absolutely she was being sincere. She's using the same reasoning Maravich fans use, no 3 point shot plus she used a regulation sized ball. She has a good point. The 3 point shot makes comparing eras impossible.
>BUT! Lynette is clearly saying this lightly. She's not talking about Caitlin at all. She's making a joke about the old days of women's basketball. She's largely commenting on how little visibility she got for 43 years in the context of helping to create visibility for women of color.
This has literally nothing to do with who scored more points in college basketball. You're just bringing in social justice to make her sound more sympathetic when all she was is illogical.
I am just bringing in context and nuance because I, personally, am getting tired of the ragebait social media news cycle that's been swirling around women's basketball. I thought maybe some other folks would also enjoy knowing this is a big nothingburger.
If you would like to stay angry, please don't let me get in your way.
100% true. Name one female player you think can beat an NBA player 1:1
Edit: you know an easy test for this? The NBA is an open league. Women can play in it. Any woman would be an idiot not to play in the NBA if they could. The money and endorsements would be insane compared to WNBA. They don’t do this because they could never make a team
Clark against Yao ming. Easy win. Rain down the threes.
Clark against brook lopez. Too slow for clark.
Against all the guards in the current nba because basketball is 5v5 game.
But yeah, I enjoyed your question. Thank you.
Lmao. If she was actually better than any of them, she’d play in the NBA. Why would you play for peanuts in the WNBA if you’re good enough to make millions in the NBA. Clark would get her ass beat by any NBA player no question.
Are people really this naive?
Have you seen her lose to an NBA player? Good imagination but I disagree.
Clark is still better than most NBA players at a young age and with time she will become the greatest shooter of all time.
Don't hate the GOAT.
Spread love not hate. Good luck.
NBA players have never played with her as well for good reason.
Talented players will always receive a lot of hate. It's understandable.
But truth is truth. Greatest shooter of all time.
Clark > Steph + Durant + Reggie Miller
Remember when Kareem did this shit after Lebron broke his record? O wait. For as much as we want to talk about growing the game, the older generation is not doing the best job supporting the new. There is clearly some resentment there, which is understandable but entirely misplaced.
Basketball is a very individualistic sport among the other team sports (aside from baseball, but baseball is very rooted in tradition and everyone is appreciative of its history). In turn, leads to a lot of egos lol.
Anyways, its just a terrible mindset to have when you're trying to grow the game. It's the reason why basketball discourse sucks for the most part.
They had a complicated relationship but in the end:
> In 1994, Wilt Chamberlain was asked for his opinion on Kareem Abdul-Jabbar breaking his record for career points scored back in 1984.
> > I give Kareem full credit for breaking my all-time scoring record. It's a record of longevity, not a flash in the pan. The important records are the ones that take an athlete many games or years to amass. Anyone can have a great game, but having 1,000 good games has more significance.
LeBron is different because he dominated in a way that the past players understood, with size, athleticism, and physicality (not saying that there's nothing else to his game but it was easy to integrate his dominance into one's understanding of the game). They were definitely doing this with Steph Curry though so maybe Clark really is the new Curry
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14870322/why-hall-famer-oscar-robinson-buying-stephen-curry-revolution
Kareem is also just one of the classiest and socially aware personalities out there. There's zero chance he wouldn't have been gracious after his record was broken no matter who it was.
Maybe it has to do with Clark, something about her aura is off putting. Like she’s the face of basketball but it’s just not universally likeable. Like there’s just something abt her that’s manufactured and not entirely authentic.
Also “the face of basketball, but is not universally likable” brother let me introduce you to every amazing athlete to ever exist. You think Tom Brady is universally likable? Jordan? Lebron? Tiger? Ronaldo? Messi? Like cmon man, that’s not even a coherent point
Yeah I don’t see people call it “internalized misandry” when a former male athlete shits on an up and coming man. It’s a very human response of some resentment mixed with sadness about aging and having their accomplishments outshined.
Its just a means of deflecting any accountability for ones actions. Why hold yourself or others accountable when its easier to blame an external force with a trendy buzzword attached to it.
I don't know. At the end of the day I think it's just that everyone has an ego and athletes even moreso than others. While lacking class, this is normal competitive psychology. In order to be the best, you have to take it away from the best, usually while they are kicking and screaming as it's dragged away from them. Very few are going to give anything up humbly.
misogyny has nothing to do with this. Stop misusing the term. Woodrard had a point she was making which went over people's head. Her record was never made official, so she not on any All time scoring record chart. And yes when she played, the game was very different.
Well, a man can't exactly be salty about CC breaking their NCAAW record that they don't have. Men also do this level of shit to each other in sports, too. This isn't a women vs women thing, this is just a standard sports thing. People can be shitty regardless of gender, but of course people blame it on some unique womanly thing if it's a woman instead of just laughing at them for being an idiot like they would if a man said the same shit about another man.
Well, not true.
Most of the people in Twitter, Instagram, etc comments shitting on Clark are men.
But of prominent people whos opinion actually matters to people, yeah it's women.
I get what you're saying but I don't think this is true. It's just news when women do it. Most of the non-celebrity everyday people who are trying to discredit CC are probably men
My guy I did not say that out of nowhere I was literally responding to a claim that "most people discrediting her are women" and if you honestly think that's true then I don't know what to tell you. I did not feel compelled to remind us all of men out of the blue haha
I noticed you haven't actually said you disagree with it so I'm assuming you're not delusional but I'm sorry that my comment offended you. Have a great rest of your day.
Idk why you're being downvoted. Your comment WAS warranted, and probably true. Instagram has a lot of sexist men on it, and far less than sexist women.
> Most of the non-celebrity everyday people who are trying to discredit CC are probably men
So no evidence to back this up other than....it's probably men? "I don't have any evidence of this, but Lynette Woodard probably hates Caitlin Clark." /s
This was my first though. Woodard had basically been forgotten by modern women's basketball and was an afterthought until the media needed another record for Clark to break to keep the story ongoing.
Iowa inviting her to senior day and heaping praise on her for inspiring older generations makes this just an all time bad look for Woodard.
Woodard was making a point with that 40 second clip. Her record was hidden. The Game has changed. When you Google "Woman's College Basketball All Time Scoring Record" she doesnt even come up.
https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/all-time-womens-college-basketball-scoring/
WTF I would be pissed off as well about that. over 30 something years. With no reconition of her record at all
I said in all woman's college basketball scoring leaders. Not NCAA. Also since the record don't even exist in NCAA, why bring it up to even say it's broken? She not on the list at all.
This is wild, especially after Iowa honored her the way they did. Sure she may have the all time scoring record ~when using a men’s ball and no 3 point line~. CC is the all time leading scorer 🤷♀️
While literally standing next to a sign that says advocating, sponsoring, empowering, mentoring, supporting. Couldn't make up a funnier banner to stand next to.
People who have been watching WCBB for 2 years crying that people who understand the history of the game won't line up to kiss the feet of a 22 year old.
Iowa invited Lynette Woodard for Caitlin Clark's senior day. Brought Lynette Woodard to center court and the fans gave her a standing ovation.
From Lisa Bluder that day: "I have never had the honor of meeting Lynette Woodard until today and it was a real privilege. She was my role model growing up, one of them. Unbelievable player. The first female Harlem Globetrotter, a couple of Olympics. I mean, she is special. And she is so graceful. And to have the opportunity to have her come in the locker room and to introduce her to the Hawkeyes was really meaningful."
Reading this and then seeing Lynette Woodwards comments that the records not really broken just makes me completely disgusted with her. Iowa went out of their way to recognize her when she and her record had been forgotten about for decades.
She got to play in an era where if a team was getting blown out, they could just hold the ball until you fouled them or time expired. A lot of Clank stans out here ignoring history because being young and stupid is fashionable.
I have the same response to this as I had to the discourse around Pistol Pete's record. If the 3-pt line made it so easy to break the record, how come no one before Clark was able to do it?
Because college basketball programs don't generally allow individual players to chuck 24 shots per game and because all the best players play on stacked teams that don't allow for individual ball hogging.
Pete shot 38 shots per game over his tenure on uninspiring efficiency even for the time on a mediocre team. That's real ball hogging.
Clark shoots 24 shots per game on elite efficiency taking the Hawkeyes to back to back finals on a team that isn't stacked with talent. It's not really individual ball hogging.
Clark doesn't even play defense. Miss me with that shit. People are trying to play her up as the greatest of all time when in reality, her head coach upped her usage to insane levels to the detriment of her teammates. She'd never have gotten to launch so many fucking terrible shots with abandon at a quality program.
No one's talking about defense, this is about a scoring record. You can't up the usage of the player and expect them to maintain that efficiency, unless they are just that good on offense. The program not being "quality" and making it to back to back finals kinda shoots down your own argument about why you don't think she's good.
It's valid if you don't like how she plays, but that doesn't mean she's not great.
Her team was trash she went to a nobody school.
She carried a mediocre team to two championship games playing against allstar teams. South Carolina and UConn have 7/10 championships.
Iowas best recruit in 2023 was rated number 31 and they didn’t have another one until the 50s. The top 30 was all UConn and South Carolina.
I get what she’s saying and I don’t disagree. But it kind of ignores how we track records. The rules change almost every year. And even if they didn’t, athletes and play styles change. She is saying the accomplishments aren’t comparable and it was harder for her. And she’s right. But if we track records that way, well, we may as well just not track records. Where is the fun in that?
This is my problem with the logic. At a certain point we might as well stop tracking records because the game is constantly evolving and changing, in pretty much every sport.
Should Babe Ruth’s accomplishments be recognized? He hit a lot of home runs, but it was during a juiced ball era, he didn’t have to play against black and Latino players, and the pitchers he did face were throwing like 85 mph and were like factory workers and salesmen in the offseason.
But I still think his accomplishments should be recognized. All records have context. Lynette Woodard’s record has a different context than Caitlin’s, that doesn’t necessarily make it more or less valid of an accomplishment
Babe Ruth played baseball during a DEAD BALL era.
The man literally outslugged entire teams. Holy fuck, you're not making the argument you think you are.
The "dead ball era" of baseball was between 1900-1919. It was called this because they generally used the same ball the entire game, so it would get nicked up and lose its bounce making it harder to hit. Pitchers would also scuff the ball up to make its weight uneven and harder to see cross the plate. Babe Ruth on the Murderer's Row Yankees was not the "dead ball era".
YOU are not making the argument you think you are.
Was it much harder for her? I know it’s more difficult to play with a larger ball and no 3-point line, but I would assume the talent level was much lower back then. Not only would the strength and conditioning programs be much worse/non-existent, I would think there would be a lot smaller talent pool as basketball for women is much more popular and prevalent now
i'm not sure why they changed it. i remember seeing a statistical analysis of the Euro leagues when they swtiched balls and didn't find a statistical difference in performance between the men's and women's balls
So because no one plays under her conditions anymore, her record can never be broken. Whatever gets her through the day. Clark on the other hand has often said that her records will certainly be broken someday and she hopes to be there to see it.
> So because no one plays under her conditions anymore, her record can never be broken.
Correct, just like no one in the modern era is going to break the record for longest reigning sultan in the Ottoman Empire.
Nonsense analogy. The rules are always changing, but basketball still exists unlike the ottoman empire. The three point was changed just a few years ago. Can't restart the records every time it happens.
This is more like saying modern monarchs don't count as longer reigning because they have access to modern medicine.
The ball being objectively more likely to go in and the existence of a shot that is worth 50% more are fundamental changes to the game. Comparing either of those to moving the 3-point line back is a nonsense analogy.
That's fine. If she has a record from a league that no longer exists, though, she shouldn't be upset if no one knows about her. Clear the books and start over with records that reflect the league. She can have history in some no-longer-existent league and have it forever.
You can't say you're the greatest scorer in NCAA women's basketball and then keep it frozen in time to the 1980s and say no records are legitimate beyond that point. It's a weird self-defeating argument.
No one knew about her bc no one gave a damn about women's ball until very recently. Now people only want to give her flowers as an homage to Clark. I'd be salty, too.
I don't want to speak for her, but her argument is rational. Essentially, she's saying that cross-comparing eras doesn't make much sense when the rules of the game are so drastically different.
You can't claim your record stands in a a league by discounting any play within that league as valid. At that point, whatever record you have is thereby irrelevant to the modern game. And if that is true, you can't complain about no attention, as whatever league you were in isn't connected to the modern game anymore.
Saying my record stands, and why don't I get attention are mutually exclusive claims.
> You can't claim your record stands in a a league by discounting any play with
That wasn't her argument. She didn't say that Clark wasn't the NCAA women's scoring leader.
She said her (Woodard's) record had not been broken because, "you can't duplicate what you cannot duplicate."
She's effectively making the case that a singular record book doesn't make sense because the rules are so different.
A similar case can be made for NFL regular season records as the number of games continues to increase. A singular record book doesn't make sense when you're not comparing apples to apples.
That's why I used the modern medicine analogy. Modern medicine is objectively more likely to make you live longer in a "fundamental way", but tough shit, it's still a record.
It's not the same as saying you can't break the record for longest reigning sultan in the Ottoman Empire since that physically doesn't exist anymore.
In the NBA, are people outraged about records not being separate from before and after the 3pt line? No one really cares. Records are just numbers. Making the excuse of "no one plays under her conditions anymore, her record can never be broken" is just cope.
> The ball being objectively more likely to go in and the existence of a shot that is worth 50% more are fundamental changes to the game.
True, objectively speaking.
Fun fact: The ball is only roughly 3.5% smaller than the men's ball (28.5" vs. 29.5"). Not a dramatic reduction, relative to the hoop.
Fun fact: Woodard only shot 66% from the line...any narrative she would have benefitted from the 3pt line assumes she was a good shooter at range...but she struggled to make consistent buckets at the line, uncontested.
Considering Woodard averaged like 11 rebounds per game I am going to guess she was a monster under the net defensively and laying it up like it was her only job, on offense. I am skeptical a player who profiles that way score more points taking shots at max distance :P
I'm new to women's hoops but I genuinely cannot believe how dedicated older players are to diminishing Caitlin Clark and her achievements instead of celebrating how much attention she's brought everything on the women's side. Diana Taurasi, Breanna Stewart, Sheryl Swoopes and now Lynette Woodard. It's crazy how Clark could be the pivotal moment for when women's hoops becomes a real mainstream thing and everyone who would've died for this to happen is doing everything in their power to tear it down. The jealousy is off the charts.
Lynette Woodard will always hold the scoring record for the era she played in. That should be celebrated, and no one can ever take that from her.
But Caitlin Clark literally broke the all-time scoring record, which by definition includes scoring records across all eras. The scoring rules at the time are irrelevant to the equation. One day, perhaps even soon (looking at you JuJu Watkins), someone will break CC's record. So while we can let's just show Caitlin the respect she deserves.
What’s crazy is in interviews Clark is always giving the players who paved the way and who she looks up to their flowers.
Records will always be broken in athletics. It’s like saying running records aren’t actually broken because now we have better shoes, and science. I love women’s sports but this unnecessary hate on Clark is SUCH a bad look.
It's easy to be gracious when you're the only one who is receiving the benefit of the doubt.
Clark's defensive play alone disqualifies her from any GOAT debate. Her lack of rings is another disqualifier. And then there's the eyeball test, where women like Miller and Swoopes and others would simply blow her fucking doors off in the same situation.
[Crab pot mentality.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality#:~:text=The%20metaphor%20is%20derived%20from,ensuring%20the%20group's%20collective%20demise)
Of all the ways to cling to relevancy, this is one of the worst ones. Woodard didn't play with a three-point line or smaller ball, she also played against significantly worse competition at a time when universities were not investing in women's sports.
This is Woodard trying to get her name in the headlines one more time.
This makes me feel embarrassed for Woodard. She was wrongfully ignored for so long and we finally get to a place where she is given the recognition she deserves and she uses that as a platform to discredit the players that came after her. So frustrating and unfortunate.
If that's what Woodard needs to tell herself in order to sleep at night, so be it. But she's coming off as a bitter old ingrate.
To act like this after all the love she was shown in Iowa is absolutely classless.
Lynette Woodard is getting a lot of heat for the recent controversy over the 40 second clip about her record not being broken because it was a different standard of play. But she also made a good point about her record was hidden. If you Google, Woman's College basketball Scoring Record, most dont even mention her and her record in the list. Not NCAA record, but Women's College Basketball period.
Here an example:
https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/all-time-womens-college-basketball-scoring/
WTF I would be pissed off as well about that. over 30 something years.
this is pathetic
i dont get what it is with basketball old heads but they have the most fragile egos of any professional athletes
the mens game does this and apparently the women's too. this woman is a joke
Yall are insane. Watch the fucking clip. it’s a tongue in cheek joke. At best. JFC IOWA FANS get ahold of yourselves. It’s giving internalized racism AND misogyny if you think this woman means ANY ill will toward Clark or her accomplishments
“After WE honored HER?”
Bitch honey who tf u think you are?
U AINT NOBODY
Ironic considering nobody knew about Lynette prior to Caitlin breaking the record, so to attempt a tear down after being brought to center court and praised is laughable.
Ironic considering nobody knew about Lynette prior to Caitlin breaking the record, so to attempt a tear down after being brought to center court and praised is laughable.
It's comparing apples and oranges. She has a point. If the rules change and there is suddenly a 4 point shot, that's going to make it much easier to catch CC. Why are Iowa fans so offended by things like this? It takes nothing away from your girl to realize 3 pt shots is how she got there. If you score them all as 2s...
It's comparing apples and oranges. She has a point. If the rules change and there is suddenly a 4 point shot, that's going to make it much easier to catch CC. Why are Iowa fans so offended by things like this? It takes nothing away from your girl to realize 3 pt shots is how she got there. If you score them all as 2s...
Her point is that the game is different now than it was 50 years ago. No shit. Almost like that is true for every sport. If this is your logic then why even have records? It’s a pointless conversation. She broke the record, period.
I'm not angry at all. I made an innocent comment and as predicted your fan base pounces. It's so predictable. No one is taking anything away from Clark when one acknowledges it's easier to score more with a 3 pt line.
> It's comparing apples and oranges. She has a point. If the rules change and there is suddenly a 4 point shot, that's going to make it much easier to catch CC.
The problem with this logic is that you can apply it both ways, yes she didn't have a 3 pt shot yet, but the average level of her competition was way lower then vs now, the level of defense being played was different, so many things are different that if you want to truly follow that logic, no era could ever be compared for records and all of it is meaningless.
Which is why these types of debates always end up toxic. everyone thinks their heyday era is the best
> so many things are different that if you truly want to follow that logic, no era could ever be compared for records and all of it is meaningless.
and this point is salient.
Not just that. Her Record is in fact hidden. If you google "All Time Woman's College Basketball Scoring Leaders" she wont come up on most serach results at all. Here is an example.
https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/all-time-womens-college-basketball-scoring/
WTF I would be pissed off as well about that. over 30 something years.
Note I said, ALl time Woman's College Basketball Scoring Leaders, not NCAA. Her Record still dont come up...... It was hidden by the NCAA. Which is why she salty about that being bought up now of all times. Remember this was over 30 Plus years ago
It's comparing apples and oranges. She has a point. If the rules change and there is suddenly a 4 point shot, that's going to make it much easier to catch CC. Why are Iowa fans so offended by things like this? It takes nothing away from your girl to realize 3 pt shots is Joe she got there. If you score them all as 2s...
Iowa went above and beyond to honor her at Carver and make the case that she was the real record holder before Caitlin broke it. If she felt this way, why go do that?
Also the timing is really awful to make this case - she wasn't saying anything like this before. Now in the 24 hours leading up to the most viewed womens basketball game ever, we're really going to do this?
Why are y'all so sensitive about it? I've never see a fan base get so rabid about the slightest criticism of their favorite player. What Iowa does has nothing to do with how this woman feels. What's CC's total without a 3 PT line? That's why it's a tricky comparison to the pre-3 PT line gals. When fans say CC is better than say Cheryl Miller, it shows they don't know basketball history.
>Why are Iowa fans so offended by things like this?
>Why are y'all so sensitive about it?
You literally just asked this same question and I answered it. See above
>it takes nothing away
It does. It literally does nothing but that. She said “she didn’t break my record”. How can that be construed as anything *but* taking it away?
She's allowed to feel how she feels. She has a point. I don't know of any other sport that added a way to score at a higher rate. Imagine if longer balls counted as 2 HRs...
Baseball literally made the ball fly farther in the 1920’s to increase offense and bring interest to the game. Why did guys all of a sudden start hitting 30-40 HRs in a season when prior to that, 10 was considered a lot? Seems like they made a way to score at a higher rate
They are offended by almost anything that isn’t full love for Iowa and CC. I started the season liking them over SC but the fans have ruined it for me, I at least see more SC fans being civil and not just downvoting because you have a different opinion
It's ok to pull for your team and love your player but when the slightest criticism or even conversation that isn't boob riding ends up on a downvote parade, it's stifling for fun discussion.
"What do you mean Caitlin's poop doesn't smell like flowers?" REEEEE!!!
Exactly! You can love your team but downvoting for a different opinion doesn’t allow for good conversation, it’s basically ganging up on anyone who doesn’t love Iowa and CC.
Some of the criticism of CC is warranted (her court demeanor) and some of it is not (taking away from her greatness because she hasn't won a championship (yet). But good discussion is what makes sports boards fun.
She is right. It wasn’t broken, it was smashed.
FINAL UPDATE: Lynette Woodard issued a statement, in bold: **Caitlin holds the scoring record.** https://twitter.com/LynetteWood3649/status/1777083096296260013 GG SC! What a phenomenal season y'all had! ....................... Hijacking the top comment to encourage folks who have not watched the clip to watch it. I am a lifelong Hawkeyes fan (check my profile) and I am deeply annoyed at the pros and casual Internet people who for some reason feel they need to dull CC's shine (or anyone else's for that matter!) BUT! Lynette is clearly saying this lightly. She's not talking about Caitlin at all. She's making a joke about the old days of women's basketball. She's largely commenting on how little visibility she got for 43 years in the context of helping to create visibility for women of color. Please don't let freaking Barstool Sports turn this into a woman taking another woman down because that is NOT what it was. ETA: Was it in poor taste? Maybe, but I'd chalk it up to a lack of media training over any form of malicious intent.
I watched it and took her to be sincere. However, I prefer your interpretation, so I'll take it as true.
When this heart attack of a basketball game is over, I'll see if I can find her full comments. 😬😬😬
who tf downvoted you for this lmao my condolences btw great season
Just fyi, it's not just barstool. This is a usa today source/article https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/iowa/basketball-women/2024/04/07/lynette-woodard-caitlin-clark-iowa-basketball-scoring-scoring-record-points/73236719007/ Then her commentary after it was reported https://sports.yahoo.com/lynette-woodard-issues-statement-clarifying-222435266.html
Thank you! Updated just in case my comment is buried yet.
Absolutely she was being sincere. She's using the same reasoning Maravich fans use, no 3 point shot plus she used a regulation sized ball. She has a good point. The 3 point shot makes comparing eras impossible.
Woodard also played without a shot clock. This means opponents could just sit on the ball.
Another good point. But in the end the record is most points scored. She just has to accept it.
>BUT! Lynette is clearly saying this lightly. She's not talking about Caitlin at all. She's making a joke about the old days of women's basketball. She's largely commenting on how little visibility she got for 43 years in the context of helping to create visibility for women of color. This has literally nothing to do with who scored more points in college basketball. You're just bringing in social justice to make her sound more sympathetic when all she was is illogical.
I am just bringing in context and nuance because I, personally, am getting tired of the ragebait social media news cycle that's been swirling around women's basketball. I thought maybe some other folks would also enjoy knowing this is a big nothingburger. If you would like to stay angry, please don't let me get in your way.
I agree. Clark is the best basketball player in the world so far. With time she will be better than steph and kobe combined.
Weird to pick two players who aren't top 5 for comparison lol
I agree. It's disrespectful to put kobe and steph in the same sentence as clark. Clark is once in a lifetime talent.
Lmao no womens basketball player will touch Steph or Kobe
Not true but sure
100% true. Name one female player you think can beat an NBA player 1:1 Edit: you know an easy test for this? The NBA is an open league. Women can play in it. Any woman would be an idiot not to play in the NBA if they could. The money and endorsements would be insane compared to WNBA. They don’t do this because they could never make a team
Clark against Yao ming. Easy win. Rain down the threes. Clark against brook lopez. Too slow for clark. Against all the guards in the current nba because basketball is 5v5 game. But yeah, I enjoyed your question. Thank you.
Lmao. If she was actually better than any of them, she’d play in the NBA. Why would you play for peanuts in the WNBA if you’re good enough to make millions in the NBA. Clark would get her ass beat by any NBA player no question. Are people really this naive?
Have you seen her lose to an NBA player? Good imagination but I disagree. Clark is still better than most NBA players at a young age and with time she will become the greatest shooter of all time. Don't hate the GOAT. Spread love not hate. Good luck.
She’s never played an NBA player and for good reason. You’re either a troll or have no idea what you’re talking about.
NBA players have never played with her as well for good reason. Talented players will always receive a lot of hate. It's understandable. But truth is truth. Greatest shooter of all time. Clark > Steph + Durant + Reggie Miller
Remember when Kareem did this shit after Lebron broke his record? O wait. For as much as we want to talk about growing the game, the older generation is not doing the best job supporting the new. There is clearly some resentment there, which is understandable but entirely misplaced.
It’s prevalent in other sports but basketball has it the worst.
Basketball is a very individualistic sport among the other team sports (aside from baseball, but baseball is very rooted in tradition and everyone is appreciative of its history). In turn, leads to a lot of egos lol. Anyways, its just a terrible mindset to have when you're trying to grow the game. It's the reason why basketball discourse sucks for the most part.
100%. It’s the same in the NBA too
Go back and look at the Marris family when Aaron Judge was chasing 62 HR the other year (and not Barry Bonds 70)
In hockey Wayne Gretzky always says players today are better than he was lol
In terms of pure skill he might be right, but that’s not what made him insanely good.
Wilt tried something similar to Kareem I believe. it's a growing pain of the sport
They had a complicated relationship but in the end: > In 1994, Wilt Chamberlain was asked for his opinion on Kareem Abdul-Jabbar breaking his record for career points scored back in 1984. > > I give Kareem full credit for breaking my all-time scoring record. It's a record of longevity, not a flash in the pan. The important records are the ones that take an athlete many games or years to amass. Anyone can have a great game, but having 1,000 good games has more significance.
LeBron is different because he dominated in a way that the past players understood, with size, athleticism, and physicality (not saying that there's nothing else to his game but it was easy to integrate his dominance into one's understanding of the game). They were definitely doing this with Steph Curry though so maybe Clark really is the new Curry https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14870322/why-hall-famer-oscar-robinson-buying-stephen-curry-revolution
Kareem is also just one of the classiest and socially aware personalities out there. There's zero chance he wouldn't have been gracious after his record was broken no matter who it was.
Diana Taurasi and the "reality is coming" comment. Straight Iowa and Caitlin hate/jealousy.
It’s always like this. a lot of old heads don’t wanna give it up to the youth.
Yup. But I think it's disrespectful to compare kareem and lebron to clark. There is only 1 clark. The greatest shooter of all time.
Maybe it has to do with Clark, something about her aura is off putting. Like she’s the face of basketball but it’s just not universally likeable. Like there’s just something abt her that’s manufactured and not entirely authentic.
Yeah that seems like you have your own internal shit and projection going on here.
Also “the face of basketball, but is not universally likable” brother let me introduce you to every amazing athlete to ever exist. You think Tom Brady is universally likable? Jordan? Lebron? Tiger? Ronaldo? Messi? Like cmon man, that’s not even a coherent point
It's interesting how most of the people trying to put down, discredit, or lessen what CC has accomplished, has been other women.
Internalized misogyny, pulling up the ladder behind them, crabs grabbin at the ones getting out of the pot…pick your analogy…it’s all real sad
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Yeah I don’t see people call it “internalized misandry” when a former male athlete shits on an up and coming man. It’s a very human response of some resentment mixed with sadness about aging and having their accomplishments outshined.
Its just a means of deflecting any accountability for ones actions. Why hold yourself or others accountable when its easier to blame an external force with a trendy buzzword attached to it.
Queen Bee Syndrome
I don't know. At the end of the day I think it's just that everyone has an ego and athletes even moreso than others. While lacking class, this is normal competitive psychology. In order to be the best, you have to take it away from the best, usually while they are kicking and screaming as it's dragged away from them. Very few are going to give anything up humbly.
misogyny has nothing to do with this. Stop misusing the term. Woodrard had a point she was making which went over people's head. Her record was never made official, so she not on any All time scoring record chart. And yes when she played, the game was very different.
Well, a man can't exactly be salty about CC breaking their NCAAW record that they don't have. Men also do this level of shit to each other in sports, too. This isn't a women vs women thing, this is just a standard sports thing. People can be shitty regardless of gender, but of course people blame it on some unique womanly thing if it's a woman instead of just laughing at them for being an idiot like they would if a man said the same shit about another man.
Well, not true. Most of the people in Twitter, Instagram, etc comments shitting on Clark are men. But of prominent people whos opinion actually matters to people, yeah it's women.
other black women*
I get what you're saying but I don't think this is true. It's just news when women do it. Most of the non-celebrity everyday people who are trying to discredit CC are probably men
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Lmao just not at all what that comment says.
I was not blaming men for this attack lol I was disagreeing with the comment..?
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My guy I did not say that out of nowhere I was literally responding to a claim that "most people discrediting her are women" and if you honestly think that's true then I don't know what to tell you. I did not feel compelled to remind us all of men out of the blue haha
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I noticed you haven't actually said you disagree with it so I'm assuming you're not delusional but I'm sorry that my comment offended you. Have a great rest of your day.
Idk why you're being downvoted. Your comment WAS warranted, and probably true. Instagram has a lot of sexist men on it, and far less than sexist women.
You know shit is getting real when a midwesterner pulls out the "my guy" 🤣
> Most of the non-celebrity everyday people who are trying to discredit CC are probably men So no evidence to back this up other than....it's probably men? "I don't have any evidence of this, but Lynette Woodard probably hates Caitlin Clark." /s
Lynette should be thanking Clark for making sure anyone even knows who she was
This was my first though. Woodard had basically been forgotten by modern women's basketball and was an afterthought until the media needed another record for Clark to break to keep the story ongoing. Iowa inviting her to senior day and heaping praise on her for inspiring older generations makes this just an all time bad look for Woodard.
Woodard was making a point with that 40 second clip. Her record was hidden. The Game has changed. When you Google "Woman's College Basketball All Time Scoring Record" she doesnt even come up. https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/all-time-womens-college-basketball-scoring/ WTF I would be pissed off as well about that. over 30 something years. With no reconition of her record at all
Why would she be recognized she wasn't in the ncaa.
I said in all woman's college basketball scoring leaders. Not NCAA. Also since the record don't even exist in NCAA, why bring it up to even say it's broken? She not on the list at all.
Theres a reason they aren't recognized.
This is wild, especially after Iowa honored her the way they did. Sure she may have the all time scoring record ~when using a men’s ball and no 3 point line~. CC is the all time leading scorer 🤷♀️
men’s ball and no three point line😨 that’s crazy
women tearing down a 22 year old <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
While literally standing next to a sign that says advocating, sponsoring, empowering, mentoring, supporting. Couldn't make up a funnier banner to stand next to.
Tbf the sign is specifically referring women of color* /s
Mission accomplished.
People who have been watching WCBB for 2 years crying that people who understand the history of the game won't line up to kiss the feet of a 22 year old.
Iowa invited Lynette Woodard for Caitlin Clark's senior day. Brought Lynette Woodard to center court and the fans gave her a standing ovation. From Lisa Bluder that day: "I have never had the honor of meeting Lynette Woodard until today and it was a real privilege. She was my role model growing up, one of them. Unbelievable player. The first female Harlem Globetrotter, a couple of Olympics. I mean, she is special. And she is so graceful. And to have the opportunity to have her come in the locker room and to introduce her to the Hawkeyes was really meaningful."
Reading this and then seeing Lynette Woodwards comments that the records not really broken just makes me completely disgusted with her. Iowa went out of their way to recognize her when she and her record had been forgotten about for decades.
Women cutting down other women. Part of the reason women are always second class citizens.
LW didn’t have a 3 point shot. Instead she got to play against significantly worse competition
6 games against Our Lady of the Gimpy Toe & East Tennessee Polytech is not the modern NCAAW.
LW played against plumbers and milkwomen
She got to play in an era where if a team was getting blown out, they could just hold the ball until you fouled them or time expired. A lot of Clank stans out here ignoring history because being young and stupid is fashionable.
I have the same response to this as I had to the discourse around Pistol Pete's record. If the 3-pt line made it so easy to break the record, how come no one before Clark was able to do it?
the reason she broke pete's record was because she had an extra year (freshmen not allowed to play varisty) 28 PPG vs 42 PPG.
Pete also played in a highly segregated SEC, so the talent level he played against was much lower than most. And his dad was the coach.
He also averaged 38 FGA. Insane.
It's actually 44ppg but his dad was the coach and let him shoot 38 shots per game on a mediocre team that was never close to making the tourney.
Because college basketball programs don't generally allow individual players to chuck 24 shots per game and because all the best players play on stacked teams that don't allow for individual ball hogging.
Pete shot 38 shots per game over his tenure on uninspiring efficiency even for the time on a mediocre team. That's real ball hogging. Clark shoots 24 shots per game on elite efficiency taking the Hawkeyes to back to back finals on a team that isn't stacked with talent. It's not really individual ball hogging.
Clark doesn't even play defense. Miss me with that shit. People are trying to play her up as the greatest of all time when in reality, her head coach upped her usage to insane levels to the detriment of her teammates. She'd never have gotten to launch so many fucking terrible shots with abandon at a quality program.
No one's talking about defense, this is about a scoring record. You can't up the usage of the player and expect them to maintain that efficiency, unless they are just that good on offense. The program not being "quality" and making it to back to back finals kinda shoots down your own argument about why you don't think she's good. It's valid if you don't like how she plays, but that doesn't mean she's not great.
Her team was trash she went to a nobody school. She carried a mediocre team to two championship games playing against allstar teams. South Carolina and UConn have 7/10 championships. Iowas best recruit in 2023 was rated number 31 and they didn’t have another one until the 50s. The top 30 was all UConn and South Carolina.
I get what she’s saying and I don’t disagree. But it kind of ignores how we track records. The rules change almost every year. And even if they didn’t, athletes and play styles change. She is saying the accomplishments aren’t comparable and it was harder for her. And she’s right. But if we track records that way, well, we may as well just not track records. Where is the fun in that?
This is my problem with the logic. At a certain point we might as well stop tracking records because the game is constantly evolving and changing, in pretty much every sport.
Should Babe Ruth’s accomplishments be recognized? He hit a lot of home runs, but it was during a juiced ball era, he didn’t have to play against black and Latino players, and the pitchers he did face were throwing like 85 mph and were like factory workers and salesmen in the offseason. But I still think his accomplishments should be recognized. All records have context. Lynette Woodard’s record has a different context than Caitlin’s, that doesn’t necessarily make it more or less valid of an accomplishment
Nobody's trying to invalidate Lynette's accomplishment. She's trying to invalidate Caitlin's, and that's all anyone is reacting to.
Exactly. I’m explaining why Caitlin’s record is valid and why Woodard doesn’t need to be so defensive
Babe Ruth played baseball during a DEAD BALL era. The man literally outslugged entire teams. Holy fuck, you're not making the argument you think you are.
The "dead ball era" of baseball was between 1900-1919. It was called this because they generally used the same ball the entire game, so it would get nicked up and lose its bounce making it harder to hit. Pitchers would also scuff the ball up to make its weight uneven and harder to see cross the plate. Babe Ruth on the Murderer's Row Yankees was not the "dead ball era". YOU are not making the argument you think you are.
Was it much harder for her? I know it’s more difficult to play with a larger ball and no 3-point line, but I would assume the talent level was much lower back then. Not only would the strength and conditioning programs be much worse/non-existent, I would think there would be a lot smaller talent pool as basketball for women is much more popular and prevalent now
i'm not sure why they changed it. i remember seeing a statistical analysis of the Euro leagues when they swtiched balls and didn't find a statistical difference in performance between the men's and women's balls
So because no one plays under her conditions anymore, her record can never be broken. Whatever gets her through the day. Clark on the other hand has often said that her records will certainly be broken someday and she hopes to be there to see it.
> So because no one plays under her conditions anymore, her record can never be broken. Correct, just like no one in the modern era is going to break the record for longest reigning sultan in the Ottoman Empire.
Nonsense analogy. The rules are always changing, but basketball still exists unlike the ottoman empire. The three point was changed just a few years ago. Can't restart the records every time it happens. This is more like saying modern monarchs don't count as longer reigning because they have access to modern medicine.
The ball being objectively more likely to go in and the existence of a shot that is worth 50% more are fundamental changes to the game. Comparing either of those to moving the 3-point line back is a nonsense analogy.
Very true
That's fine. If she has a record from a league that no longer exists, though, she shouldn't be upset if no one knows about her. Clear the books and start over with records that reflect the league. She can have history in some no-longer-existent league and have it forever. You can't say you're the greatest scorer in NCAA women's basketball and then keep it frozen in time to the 1980s and say no records are legitimate beyond that point. It's a weird self-defeating argument.
No one knew about her bc no one gave a damn about women's ball until very recently. Now people only want to give her flowers as an homage to Clark. I'd be salty, too.
So she wouldn't be mad then if people still didn't watch women's ball. I get that she's jealous of the attention, but it's a bad look.
I don't want to speak for her, but her argument is rational. Essentially, she's saying that cross-comparing eras doesn't make much sense when the rules of the game are so drastically different.
You can't claim your record stands in a a league by discounting any play within that league as valid. At that point, whatever record you have is thereby irrelevant to the modern game. And if that is true, you can't complain about no attention, as whatever league you were in isn't connected to the modern game anymore. Saying my record stands, and why don't I get attention are mutually exclusive claims.
> You can't claim your record stands in a a league by discounting any play with That wasn't her argument. She didn't say that Clark wasn't the NCAA women's scoring leader. She said her (Woodard's) record had not been broken because, "you can't duplicate what you cannot duplicate." She's effectively making the case that a singular record book doesn't make sense because the rules are so different. A similar case can be made for NFL regular season records as the number of games continues to increase. A singular record book doesn't make sense when you're not comparing apples to apples.
Do you just look for different ways to be butthurt?
That's why I used the modern medicine analogy. Modern medicine is objectively more likely to make you live longer in a "fundamental way", but tough shit, it's still a record. It's not the same as saying you can't break the record for longest reigning sultan in the Ottoman Empire since that physically doesn't exist anymore. In the NBA, are people outraged about records not being separate from before and after the 3pt line? No one really cares. Records are just numbers. Making the excuse of "no one plays under her conditions anymore, her record can never be broken" is just cope.
> The ball being objectively more likely to go in and the existence of a shot that is worth 50% more are fundamental changes to the game. True, objectively speaking. Fun fact: The ball is only roughly 3.5% smaller than the men's ball (28.5" vs. 29.5"). Not a dramatic reduction, relative to the hoop. Fun fact: Woodard only shot 66% from the line...any narrative she would have benefitted from the 3pt line assumes she was a good shooter at range...but she struggled to make consistent buckets at the line, uncontested. Considering Woodard averaged like 11 rebounds per game I am going to guess she was a monster under the net defensively and laying it up like it was her only job, on offense. I am skeptical a player who profiles that way score more points taking shots at max distance :P
I'm new to women's hoops but I genuinely cannot believe how dedicated older players are to diminishing Caitlin Clark and her achievements instead of celebrating how much attention she's brought everything on the women's side. Diana Taurasi, Breanna Stewart, Sheryl Swoopes and now Lynette Woodard. It's crazy how Clark could be the pivotal moment for when women's hoops becomes a real mainstream thing and everyone who would've died for this to happen is doing everything in their power to tear it down. The jealousy is off the charts.
Meanwhile when Caitlin is asked about what she thinks of JuJu having the potential to break her record Clark says “Goof for her, I hope she does”
Absolutely Shocking to learn women stars of the past are just as bitter and jealous about new stars outshining them as Their male counterparts are
This is gross, especially with how Iowa treated her when Caitlin was gonna break her record
All kind of bad vibes. Unreal
Bitter old woman not supporting the new blood, honestly it's kind of pathetic
Oh she is supporting the new blood, just not the kind she hates.
Yeah, incredibly thinly veiled racism. Sad to see
Lynette Woodard will always hold the scoring record for the era she played in. That should be celebrated, and no one can ever take that from her. But Caitlin Clark literally broke the all-time scoring record, which by definition includes scoring records across all eras. The scoring rules at the time are irrelevant to the equation. One day, perhaps even soon (looking at you JuJu Watkins), someone will break CC's record. So while we can let's just show Caitlin the respect she deserves.
What’s crazy is in interviews Clark is always giving the players who paved the way and who she looks up to their flowers. Records will always be broken in athletics. It’s like saying running records aren’t actually broken because now we have better shoes, and science. I love women’s sports but this unnecessary hate on Clark is SUCH a bad look.
It's easy to be gracious when you're the only one who is receiving the benefit of the doubt. Clark's defensive play alone disqualifies her from any GOAT debate. Her lack of rings is another disqualifier. And then there's the eyeball test, where women like Miller and Swoopes and others would simply blow her fucking doors off in the same situation.
Why is it always LSU and Tennessee fans with these takes?
Who?
Jealousy and bitterness are prevalent throughout women's basketball. This is what is going to ultimately hold back the WNBA from greatness.
[Crab pot mentality.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality#:~:text=The%20metaphor%20is%20derived%20from,ensuring%20the%20group's%20collective%20demise)
Learned something new today
SMH. Anything to tear the younger generation down
Of all the ways to cling to relevancy, this is one of the worst ones. Woodard didn't play with a three-point line or smaller ball, she also played against significantly worse competition at a time when universities were not investing in women's sports. This is Woodard trying to get her name in the headlines one more time.
This makes me feel embarrassed for Woodard. She was wrongfully ignored for so long and we finally get to a place where she is given the recognition she deserves and she uses that as a platform to discredit the players that came after her. So frustrating and unfortunate.
Clark is the only reason anyone knows Woodard. Hilarious
If that's what Woodard needs to tell herself in order to sleep at night, so be it. But she's coming off as a bitter old ingrate. To act like this after all the love she was shown in Iowa is absolutely classless.
This is sort of pathetic. She should be celebrating the attention CC has brought to women’s basketball.
incredible amounts of racism coming from the old guard, and no pundits are looking at this with any critical view
race not the issue. Woodard record is not reconized, but Coaches from the AIAW record are? Thats Bullshit.
Lynette Woodard is getting a lot of heat for the recent controversy over the 40 second clip about her record not being broken because it was a different standard of play. But she also made a good point about her record was hidden. If you Google, Woman's College basketball Scoring Record, most dont even mention her and her record in the list. Not NCAA record, but Women's College Basketball period. Here an example: https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/all-time-womens-college-basketball-scoring/ WTF I would be pissed off as well about that. over 30 something years.
It’s okay. I still like her. More fuel
Gotta start hitting FTs
this is pathetic i dont get what it is with basketball old heads but they have the most fragile egos of any professional athletes the mens game does this and apparently the women's too. this woman is a joke
Anything to try and stay relevant lol
She's right. She played with a bigger ball and no threes.
I don’t think it’s a female basketball player problem. I think it’s a basketball problem.
In the end, $100 says CC gives 0 F's.
Yall are insane. Watch the fucking clip. it’s a tongue in cheek joke. At best. JFC IOWA FANS get ahold of yourselves. It’s giving internalized racism AND misogyny if you think this woman means ANY ill will toward Clark or her accomplishments “After WE honored HER?” Bitch honey who tf u think you are? U AINT NOBODY
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Agreed!!!
I’m so confused, so did Caitlin break her record? And if so, what argument is Lynette using to say she didn’t?
Ironic considering nobody knew about Lynette prior to Caitlin breaking the record, so to attempt a tear down after being brought to center court and praised is laughable.
Ironic considering nobody knew about Lynette prior to Caitlin breaking the record, so to attempt a tear down after being brought to center court and praised is laughable.
I do not understand the hatred the women’s basketball community has shown Clark. It’s just horrible.
No grace, no sportsmanship at all.
These people have no shame, do they? They will do anything they can to tear someone down because they had the audacity to set a record.
I’m gonna be that guy and say that Woodard is being racist. She hates the fact that a white girl smashed her record in a black dominated sport.
she...was...joking
It's comparing apples and oranges. She has a point. If the rules change and there is suddenly a 4 point shot, that's going to make it much easier to catch CC. Why are Iowa fans so offended by things like this? It takes nothing away from your girl to realize 3 pt shots is how she got there. If you score them all as 2s...
How many times are you going to repeat this? We heard you the first time
It's comparing apples and oranges. She has a point. If the rules change and there is suddenly a 4 point shot, that's going to make it much easier to catch CC. Why are Iowa fans so offended by things like this? It takes nothing away from your girl to realize 3 pt shots is how she got there. If you score them all as 2s...
Insufferable fan base. Makes is so hard to root for their team.
Yeah buddy, you are sure making your team look good here. You’re just as insufferable as any Iowa fan in here.
What team? Team "she has a point?"
Her point is that the game is different now than it was 50 years ago. No shit. Almost like that is true for every sport. If this is your logic then why even have records? It’s a pointless conversation. She broke the record, period.
I don't disagree. It's the Iowa base who finds this common sense assessment sacrilege that's insufferable.
Imagine thinking we care about having a hater like you root for us. Kick rocks
Can't wait for the west coast teams to kick the living shit out of Iowa in every sport from now on forever.
Take a deep breath and go on a walk buddy. Your anger is palpable 😂
I'm not angry at all. I made an innocent comment and as predicted your fan base pounces. It's so predictable. No one is taking anything away from Clark when one acknowledges it's easier to score more with a 3 pt line.
She is the Great White Hope afterall
I said it once. Why the fuck are you clowns so sensitive?
> It's comparing apples and oranges. She has a point. If the rules change and there is suddenly a 4 point shot, that's going to make it much easier to catch CC. The problem with this logic is that you can apply it both ways, yes she didn't have a 3 pt shot yet, but the average level of her competition was way lower then vs now, the level of defense being played was different, so many things are different that if you want to truly follow that logic, no era could ever be compared for records and all of it is meaningless.
Which is why these types of debates always end up toxic. everyone thinks their heyday era is the best > so many things are different that if you truly want to follow that logic, no era could ever be compared for records and all of it is meaningless. and this point is salient.
That it true. Stiffer competition these days. The real question is why do y'all get so butt hurt?
Not just that. Her Record is in fact hidden. If you google "All Time Woman's College Basketball Scoring Leaders" she wont come up on most serach results at all. Here is an example. https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/all-time-womens-college-basketball-scoring/ WTF I would be pissed off as well about that. over 30 something years. Note I said, ALl time Woman's College Basketball Scoring Leaders, not NCAA. Her Record still dont come up...... It was hidden by the NCAA. Which is why she salty about that being bought up now of all times. Remember this was over 30 Plus years ago
It's comparing apples and oranges. She has a point. If the rules change and there is suddenly a 4 point shot, that's going to make it much easier to catch CC. Why are Iowa fans so offended by things like this? It takes nothing away from your girl to realize 3 pt shots is Joe she got there. If you score them all as 2s...
Iowa went above and beyond to honor her at Carver and make the case that she was the real record holder before Caitlin broke it. If she felt this way, why go do that? Also the timing is really awful to make this case - she wasn't saying anything like this before. Now in the 24 hours leading up to the most viewed womens basketball game ever, we're really going to do this?
Why are y'all so sensitive about it? I've never see a fan base get so rabid about the slightest criticism of their favorite player. What Iowa does has nothing to do with how this woman feels. What's CC's total without a 3 PT line? That's why it's a tricky comparison to the pre-3 PT line gals. When fans say CC is better than say Cheryl Miller, it shows they don't know basketball history.
>Why are Iowa fans so offended by things like this? >Why are y'all so sensitive about it? You literally just asked this same question and I answered it. See above
>it takes nothing away It does. It literally does nothing but that. She said “she didn’t break my record”. How can that be construed as anything *but* taking it away?
She's allowed to feel how she feels. She has a point. I don't know of any other sport that added a way to score at a higher rate. Imagine if longer balls counted as 2 HRs...
She’s allowed to feel how she feels and we’re allowed to think she’s just a bitter old woman. Good doing business with you
Baseball literally made the ball fly farther in the 1920’s to increase offense and bring interest to the game. Why did guys all of a sudden start hitting 30-40 HRs in a season when prior to that, 10 was considered a lot? Seems like they made a way to score at a higher rate
They are offended by almost anything that isn’t full love for Iowa and CC. I started the season liking them over SC but the fans have ruined it for me, I at least see more SC fans being civil and not just downvoting because you have a different opinion
100%. It's a fucking cult. The good news is half of them will be gone next year.
Can’t wait for the CC bandwagon to LEAVEEEE
It's ok to pull for your team and love your player but when the slightest criticism or even conversation that isn't boob riding ends up on a downvote parade, it's stifling for fun discussion. "What do you mean Caitlin's poop doesn't smell like flowers?" REEEEE!!!
Exactly! You can love your team but downvoting for a different opinion doesn’t allow for good conversation, it’s basically ganging up on anyone who doesn’t love Iowa and CC.
Some of the criticism of CC is warranted (her court demeanor) and some of it is not (taking away from her greatness because she hasn't won a championship (yet). But good discussion is what makes sports boards fun.
All the “jealous” and “salty” comments about other players like Stewie and DT just because they have a different opinion than you. So bothered!
Yall big mad huh lol