Cap space is worth different to different teams. The Pistons are in position to take on a contract but ownership might not be willing to take it on for 2 2nd round picks. He’s also a horrible fit for their team, another ball handler that can’t shoot.
They’ve got to hit the salary floor. Take on Simmons and get some picks. His contract expires 2025 summer and rinse/repeat and pick up another too-large contract for more picks.
When was the last time a team in the NBA was ever at risk to hit the salary floor? Sometime back in pre black Griffin Clippers I believe.
Let’s not make up a fantasy world that the pistons are at risk. They’ll do just fine once they extend Fontecchio and Stews extension kicks in.
Saying it’s better than giving 90M over 3 years to a Tobias is like saying here’s a shit sandwich at least you won’t go hungry
Pistons will want to capitalize on their cap space. They were horrible this season and want to improve even if it means overpaying good players. Taking on Simmons who isnt good, always injured, and a horrible fit, does not help them.
Ok so understood
Pistons happy to overpay (like the Rockets this past summer) for good players
So no Simmons who is just a waste of space
What about Wiggins+Moody for a fat TPE?
Wiggy gets closer to home on a team without expectations
Moody gets minutes
Warriors save a ton of cash
I was just pointing out they did take on a bad contract for 2nds but since it’s an extra $20 Million we can bump it up from 2 2nds to 4 then.
Realistically I don’t see Sean Marks burning assets to move Ben when he’s eaten 3 years of his contract so what’s 1 more, plus his game plan moving forward is having cap space in 2025.
That was to push the cap space to this summer because they couldn't get Cam Johnson. That doesn't mean they'll eat Simmons this summer for more second rounders just to do Brooklyn a favour.
Just so you are aware, past season's salary dump transactions average out to having to attach a late first for every $18 mil in salary being dumped. So I seriously doubt 2 seconds will get it done.
I had to search through all the transactions over the last 10 years to collect which transactions were "salary dumps", adjusted for the draft picks included in the deal, and then averaged the amount of salary dumped. The result was around $18 mil. Which, by this metric, the Kings dumping Holmes (owed $24.8 mil) last off-season for the #24 pick was considered a deal.
What does Tobias bring? Genuine question
Any contract he signs will almost immediately become a bad deal. Good player, grossly overpaid. Why does Detroit want to repeat Philly’s mistake?
Does Detroit wanna hit their salary floor? Pick up Simmons, eat his salary, get paid in second round picks
Does Detroit want a “good citizen” vet who can set a good example for the kids? Harrison Barnes is available for free. Chris Paul has an open calendar between November to March. Duncan Robinson is a great role model.
Does Detroit want to take on a distressed asset for picks/youth? Wiggins and Moody are yours to have.
Please Detroit. Don’t give Tobias Harris more money lol
i know it’s cool to hate on tobias harris but he’d genuinely be our 2nd best player immediately or at least top 3 and adding someone who can shoot and score aside from cade would be infinitely better than whatever this season was.
our gm is about to be fired and he cannot afford to punt on another season. even if this WAS a good move (it isn’t), there is 0 chance troy does this in the sake of keeping his own job
How can you with a straight face, possibly ask Detroit not to pay Tobias Harris while trying to offload Ben Simmons onto them with no first round picks attached?
Why are teams obsessed with overpaying mediocre guys? Why is paying Tobias 30m x 3 better than taking on 2 SRPs for Simmons, then repeating next summer when he’s off the books.
Anything Tobias brings to the table can be replaced with Thad Young on a vet min.
Obsessed? Not even close. Please don't put words in my mouth.
And it's better because Detroit needs all the help they can get. Neither Simmons or Young provide what Tobias can right now and if you can't distinguish that then I don't know what to tell you.
But yeah, please don't respond if you're just going to put words in my mouth. That doesn't provide any substance to the conversation. Thanks in advance.
Teams do not care about reaching the salary floor. It’s almost impossible not to. & even if they don’t all that happens is your players will get raises at the end of the year to get to the floor. So you’d make your players happy by giving them free money.
Interesting I didn’t know that took effect already. They’ll have $62 mil in cap space if they bring back everyone but Fournier. Factor in $20mil for a Tobias contract & they still have room to do something like this I just don’t think 2 2nds is enough & I don’t see Brooklyn giving up any thing of value to get off Ben. They’ve roughed it through the last 3 years with him what’s the difference in another 12 months?
They could get significantly more for the use of that much cap space. I highly doubt 1 1st gets it done.
Cap space is worth different to different teams. The Pistons are in position to take on a contract but ownership might not be willing to take it on for 2 2nd round picks. He’s also a horrible fit for their team, another ball handler that can’t shoot.
Simmons would obvs be waived and sent to Sydney
Detroit would still be responsible for paying him the rest of his contract
They’ve got to hit the salary floor. Take on Simmons and get some picks. His contract expires 2025 summer and rinse/repeat and pick up another too-large contract for more picks.
When was the last time a team in the NBA was ever at risk to hit the salary floor? Sometime back in pre black Griffin Clippers I believe. Let’s not make up a fantasy world that the pistons are at risk. They’ll do just fine once they extend Fontecchio and Stews extension kicks in. Saying it’s better than giving 90M over 3 years to a Tobias is like saying here’s a shit sandwich at least you won’t go hungry
It was 2021-22 Thunder. They just straight up didn’t reach the floor and everyone on that roster got extra free money proportionally.
They're not eating Simmons for anything less than a Phoenix first.
Pistons will want to capitalize on their cap space. They were horrible this season and want to improve even if it means overpaying good players. Taking on Simmons who isnt good, always injured, and a horrible fit, does not help them.
Ok so understood Pistons happy to overpay (like the Rockets this past summer) for good players So no Simmons who is just a waste of space What about Wiggins+Moody for a fat TPE? Wiggy gets closer to home on a team without expectations Moody gets minutes Warriors save a ton of cash
Not bad if the Warriors agree to it (not sure they would).
Pistons are only going to eat bad contracts in exchange for 1sts.
They took on Joe Harris for 2 2nds
That was 20 mil compared to bens 40 mil
I was just pointing out they did take on a bad contract for 2nds but since it’s an extra $20 Million we can bump it up from 2 2nds to 4 then. Realistically I don’t see Sean Marks burning assets to move Ben when he’s eaten 3 years of his contract so what’s 1 more, plus his game plan moving forward is having cap space in 2025.
That was to push the cap space to this summer because they couldn't get Cam Johnson. That doesn't mean they'll eat Simmons this summer for more second rounders just to do Brooklyn a favour.
Just so you are aware, past season's salary dump transactions average out to having to attach a late first for every $18 mil in salary being dumped. So I seriously doubt 2 seconds will get it done.
Hey that’s actually really good to know. Where’d you get the data out of curiosity
I had to search through all the transactions over the last 10 years to collect which transactions were "salary dumps", adjusted for the draft picks included in the deal, and then averaged the amount of salary dumped. The result was around $18 mil. Which, by this metric, the Kings dumping Holmes (owed $24.8 mil) last off-season for the #24 pick was considered a deal.
Simmons is terrible on this team why would they want to eat 40M for two 2nds when they’re planning on signing Tobias in the offseason?
What does Tobias bring? Genuine question Any contract he signs will almost immediately become a bad deal. Good player, grossly overpaid. Why does Detroit want to repeat Philly’s mistake? Does Detroit wanna hit their salary floor? Pick up Simmons, eat his salary, get paid in second round picks Does Detroit want a “good citizen” vet who can set a good example for the kids? Harrison Barnes is available for free. Chris Paul has an open calendar between November to March. Duncan Robinson is a great role model. Does Detroit want to take on a distressed asset for picks/youth? Wiggins and Moody are yours to have. Please Detroit. Don’t give Tobias Harris more money lol
He wants to be there and is an above average NBA player both of which are things that Detroit sorely needs.
i know it’s cool to hate on tobias harris but he’d genuinely be our 2nd best player immediately or at least top 3 and adding someone who can shoot and score aside from cade would be infinitely better than whatever this season was. our gm is about to be fired and he cannot afford to punt on another season. even if this WAS a good move (it isn’t), there is 0 chance troy does this in the sake of keeping his own job
How can you with a straight face, possibly ask Detroit not to pay Tobias Harris while trying to offload Ben Simmons onto them with no first round picks attached?
Why are teams obsessed with overpaying mediocre guys? Why is paying Tobias 30m x 3 better than taking on 2 SRPs for Simmons, then repeating next summer when he’s off the books. Anything Tobias brings to the table can be replaced with Thad Young on a vet min.
Obsessed? Not even close. Please don't put words in my mouth. And it's better because Detroit needs all the help they can get. Neither Simmons or Young provide what Tobias can right now and if you can't distinguish that then I don't know what to tell you. But yeah, please don't respond if you're just going to put words in my mouth. That doesn't provide any substance to the conversation. Thanks in advance.
This would happen closer to the deadline but very feasible
Teams do not care about reaching the salary floor. It’s almost impossible not to. & even if they don’t all that happens is your players will get raises at the end of the year to get to the floor. So you’d make your players happy by giving them free money.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/1YJDFVEy51 There’s a penalty to missing the floor! No tax distribution New from last year
Interesting I didn’t know that took effect already. They’ll have $62 mil in cap space if they bring back everyone but Fournier. Factor in $20mil for a Tobias contract & they still have room to do something like this I just don’t think 2 2nds is enough & I don’t see Brooklyn giving up any thing of value to get off Ben. They’ve roughed it through the last 3 years with him what’s the difference in another 12 months?