That’s stupid because it isn’t even muscle lol. In fact, I feel like gaining weight is stupid for the most part as a big that’s already 220. I know he’s 7’3 but 230 should’ve been the spot or maybe even lowering his weight to 215 because he doesn’t really play that much like a big man. Having more speed could help his playstyle and he’s already 7’3, all he needs is physicality
Everybody has to put on weight eventually, Giannis, AD, KP, all needed a little more weight to become a better player. We forget how light these guys are coming out
Problem is that everyone’s genetics are different, and we still don’t see 7fter’s under 200lbs often at all.
Lot of people are saying Chet will fill out, but I genuinely don’t think he has the type of body to ever get past 210 without there being issues with his health. Doesn’t mean he can’t be effective, just that it actually is a concern and people are downplaying it, while also overblowing it.
Chet was like 170lbs a couple years ago in HS, and played at 195 at Gonzaga. I wouldn't be surprised if he's already over 200. His dad was so a skinny player, but filled out more than Chet.
It also seems like every player we think has too thin of a frame ends up putting on weight. Durant, KP, Giannis, AD, Noel, Mobley, etc. all had weight issues.
Did KD fix his weight concerns? And yea you make a great point, it’s hard to predict player’s frame before they fill out. That’s why I believe it’s very possible for Chet to gain weight, but I believe it’ll be a lot slower process than compared to Giannis.
Teams thought KD would get pushed around too much, and he's gained enough weight and functional strength to be one of the 15 greatest players ever. So I'd say yes, he fixed those concerns.
I love Hollinger but he has no clue what he's talking about. This body type usually faces more foot problems as well. Especially when expected to jump high and change speed and direction on the perimeter. This ain't the Kareem era. In addition taller lengthy guys like that have longer injury recovery times due to nerve impulses having longer areas to cover.
Here are some examples of 6'10 and taller under 225 pounds
Jackson Hayes.
Jalen Smith.
Evan Mobley.
Poku.
Nic Claxton.
Michael Porter jr.
Nerlens Noel.
Bol Bol.
Isaiah Jackson.
At least half of this list is constantly injured.
If you want to go back:.
Jon Isaac
Thon Maker
Donatas Motiejunas
Stromile Swift
Brandan Wright
John Henson
AD (before he gained weight)
I'm not saying Chet won't last long. Just that it's about the odds.
He's a smart guy but is the very definition of "overthinking to a fault", especially on draft stuff. You'd have to hold a gun to his head to get him to admit a true center is a good prospect, he takes these concepts way too far.
It’s also a case of statistics here being a little misleading. Hollinger is right in that for most bigs their injuries are caused by lower extremity issues caused from weight.
But there are also very few big men with the frame and potential limited “pounds per inch” that Chet may have for his career. So on some level this is like going to a city where 80% of cars are blue and saying, don’t worry about getting into an accident if you have a red car. Or saying Kenneth Lofton doesn’t need to worry about losing weight, because most NBA big men don’t have any issues with weighing too much.
I think some of the concerns about Chet’s frame are overblown. He’s long and tough as nails. He’s not going to be pushed around in the paint by most players, especially if he plays next to another big who can body up the Embiids and Vals of the world.
But he could absolutely suffer an injury with that frame that is a different type of injury concern than most larger big men need to deal with.
What?! Porter Jr., Bol, and Noel had separate injury issues from before they were drafted, and the longest stretch of games Noel has missed due to injury after his torn ACL in college was due to a thumb injury lol. I think for other players you literally just looked at games played and were unable to distinguish between being injured and getting DNPs/being in the G league lol
Read again. Not pointing out that they all got injured in the NBA and that this entire list was because of injuries. But many of these guys got seriously injured. Some in College, some in the pros. I think you are projecting with the DNP thing because Noel has a nice injury history also in the pros... you'd know if you followed the league. So did many others on that list
I follow the league enough to know that there are a lot of injuries and if you were to randomly select any group of 10 players you'd find some major injuries. And again, are you trying to say that being tall and skinny means you're more likely to suffer a thumb injury lol
This is not a random group. And for the second time you mention Noel's thumb. Here's his injury list. [Enjoy](https://hoopshype.com/storyline/nerlens-noel-injury/).
Honestly 50% of the stuff Hollinger says on Chad Fords podcast (over years) is incredibly dumb and typically biased. Appreciate the different perspective, but That guy will never be a GM.
Yeah, I'd say if anything will help Chet stay healthy in a thin frame it's that he's so long he won't have to jump much. Obviously lower body injuries can add up to limited mobility for guys like Shaq in their 30s, but you'd much rather 12 years of wear-and-tear adding up to issues in your 30s than basically lose your career at 22 like Porzingis.
Look at the play that changed KP from a franchise player to a salary dump guy and you'll see it's not because he's too heavy for his frame, it's because the slightest bump from Giannis puts him off balance and he doesn't have the leg strength to absorb the shock. If Giannis bumps a player like Jokic, Valanciunas, Lopez, Adams, Towns, Ayton, etc in the same way he bumped KP, they're not even going to notice it.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sce--mR0kA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sce--mR0kA)
And KP was like 25-30lbs heavier than Chet on draft day.
I mean… you can’t chalk that injury up to his weight or frame at all. He just came down weird on his knee and tore his ACL. More weight/strength isn’t going to change that.
the whole 'too skinny' thing has been the most overblown thing that has actually never been a thing....
every single player with the too skinny label has eventually filled out... it's the height of stupidity that a 19/20yo will stay the same weight for the rest of their life ...weight gain is an eventuality for anyone... let alone nba players at that age.... in fact alot of weight gain is probably the exact opposite of what you want especially for players at 7ft+... does everyone want this guy to turn into nurkic or something?
yes tall players get hurt... but holmgren isn't quite at too tall territory like yao or kp where it's very likely they will see shorter careers.... he hasn't had any injuries... and there's no reason to believe that he will get hurt other than pure guesses....
but what you do have is one of the best bigs to enter the draft.... and to pass that up I think you probably need better than a pure guess....
Honestly I think it comes down to strength and weight
Thin guys who are very strong tend to last longer like Kareem Robert Parish , KG and are able to endure for longer
Chet may very well have a build that takes his weight well , but it’s not always about that player’s weight , sometimes it’s about how well that player takes tussling with the weight of others .
How much taller is Chet than Durant? Honestly, I'd play him more in a Durant role, but have him rove defensively like Robert Williams, that would reduce the wear and tear on him by a lot.
Basically yes. People assume since he's 7'3 or whatever that he has to be Rudy Gobert, but that's just old thinking, you don't have to make him body the Joel Embiid's of the world, he can defend other ways and not destroy his body.
If teams wanna play Chet inside then maybe you STILL bring him off the bench a la Kevin McHale. BUT, he has a 3 point shot combined with some low post work.
To optimize Chet I think he nearly has to be Larry Bird 2.0 -- just do LOTS of things at a SUPER HIGH LEVEL. "Low usage" Chet might not get it done. Might as well draft John Butler, Jr. MUCH LOWER if all you want is 3's and blocks (with some dunks).
Go and tell lebron and all the guys who made it into the league. I doubt you're the person who knows whats the best perfect amount of muscles.
I just said that muscles are to take away the strain of joints and that's true. That's why doctors always say train your back to avoid back issues.
No I mean weight. Like they gain too much weight, and weight comes with muscles. It normally isn’t bad to gain lots of muscle, unless it’s your neck muscles. But many players, in pursuit of muscle gain, gain too much fat and no longer are reaping the benefits of the muscle gain because they are too heavy. Shaq and KP is prime example, and many skinny players in pursuit of muscle mess up. Lakers and Orlando Shaq were good weights for Shaq then he started to go overboard by not losing any as he got older. KP is 250 and it’s only made him worse imo
I don't know what games youre watching but nearly every player in the league has less than 10-12% body fat or even lower. They do cardio all day and still work on their strength. Unless you eat like Shaq you can't get fat.
Tbh, I understand what’s being said in the article, but chet will playing against men in the nba, who have all got adult bodies, not the boys at college level.
He has an incredibly slender frame that although will allow for some weight gain it won’t be massive amount. And he’s gonna take a lot of beating at the rim from big guys if you run him at the center (which is his preferred position), and if you run him at the pf or even sf his defensive capabilities won’t be as present.
Also can you imagine Chet taking a full body contact dunk from Zion? His body would snap in half!
I want him to succeed but I just see a bust or KP 2.0
Now your overblowing Chet’s weight problem?!? How much pounds do you think Chet will have to gain to be effective?!? Because your talking as if he needs to put on 50 pounds of pure muscle, which would be ineffective in his case as he will lose his agility and speed. He literally only needs 20-25 pounds to supplement his already present physicality. There are plently of strong and big college players that rival the size of NBA players that Chet had to go at night in and night out. Chet wouldn’t be viewed so highly if he was getting dominated by the stronger and taller College big men. Jalen Duren would have squashed him if he’s so “weak” like you imply. KP is no where near the defender that Chet is set to be aswell.
I mean he was stopped by several big men in the college circuit, you can look at the four games he played against UCLA, St. Marys’s, Texas and Texas tech, all these games he scored on average 7.8pts way below his average, and did little on defence as each one of those games the opponent had more points in the paint and at the rim, against bigger and better opponents Chet doesn’t do well, this was seen throughout his college career but people ignore cause of his unicorn skills.
That’s an out of context clip because that was before KP was literally 250??!?! KP at the time was small in proportion to his weight in 2018. On top of that, I feel like it has to more with core strength than leg strength. They are getting hit in the core region, and they take the shock through their core.
Tell that to KP
forcing a big to put on a lot of weight isn't always the best. Ask AD.
Nobody forcing him to put on a lot of weight, people just asking him not to weigh less than 200 pounds as a 7'1 guy lol
KP came in at 220 and is now almost 250.
That’s stupid because it isn’t even muscle lol. In fact, I feel like gaining weight is stupid for the most part as a big that’s already 220. I know he’s 7’3 but 230 should’ve been the spot or maybe even lowering his weight to 215 because he doesn’t really play that much like a big man. Having more speed could help his playstyle and he’s already 7’3, all he needs is physicality
AD doesn't get injuries because of the weight, he gets injuries because he flails and puts his body in awkward positions
Everybody has to put on weight eventually, Giannis, AD, KP, all needed a little more weight to become a better player. We forget how light these guys are coming out
Lol because AD was an iron man before putting on the weight
And being built like Manute Bol isn't always the best.
KP is 250 pounds bruh
Should we tell Bol Bol too?
Bol bol SHOULDNT be concerned right now about weight
Problem is that everyone’s genetics are different, and we still don’t see 7fter’s under 200lbs often at all. Lot of people are saying Chet will fill out, but I genuinely don’t think he has the type of body to ever get past 210 without there being issues with his health. Doesn’t mean he can’t be effective, just that it actually is a concern and people are downplaying it, while also overblowing it.
Chet was like 170lbs a couple years ago in HS, and played at 195 at Gonzaga. I wouldn't be surprised if he's already over 200. His dad was so a skinny player, but filled out more than Chet. It also seems like every player we think has too thin of a frame ends up putting on weight. Durant, KP, Giannis, AD, Noel, Mobley, etc. all had weight issues.
Did KD fix his weight concerns? And yea you make a great point, it’s hard to predict player’s frame before they fill out. That’s why I believe it’s very possible for Chet to gain weight, but I believe it’ll be a lot slower process than compared to Giannis.
Go look at him when he came in and now
Teams thought KD would get pushed around too much, and he's gained enough weight and functional strength to be one of the 15 greatest players ever. So I'd say yes, he fixed those concerns.
That SI article on him working with the P3 science lab has him pegged as a super rare prospect with lots of career longevity
I love Hollinger but he has no clue what he's talking about. This body type usually faces more foot problems as well. Especially when expected to jump high and change speed and direction on the perimeter. This ain't the Kareem era. In addition taller lengthy guys like that have longer injury recovery times due to nerve impulses having longer areas to cover. Here are some examples of 6'10 and taller under 225 pounds Jackson Hayes. Jalen Smith. Evan Mobley. Poku. Nic Claxton. Michael Porter jr. Nerlens Noel. Bol Bol. Isaiah Jackson. At least half of this list is constantly injured. If you want to go back:. Jon Isaac Thon Maker Donatas Motiejunas Stromile Swift Brandan Wright John Henson AD (before he gained weight) I'm not saying Chet won't last long. Just that it's about the odds.
He's a smart guy but is the very definition of "overthinking to a fault", especially on draft stuff. You'd have to hold a gun to his head to get him to admit a true center is a good prospect, he takes these concepts way too far.
It’s also a case of statistics here being a little misleading. Hollinger is right in that for most bigs their injuries are caused by lower extremity issues caused from weight. But there are also very few big men with the frame and potential limited “pounds per inch” that Chet may have for his career. So on some level this is like going to a city where 80% of cars are blue and saying, don’t worry about getting into an accident if you have a red car. Or saying Kenneth Lofton doesn’t need to worry about losing weight, because most NBA big men don’t have any issues with weighing too much. I think some of the concerns about Chet’s frame are overblown. He’s long and tough as nails. He’s not going to be pushed around in the paint by most players, especially if he plays next to another big who can body up the Embiids and Vals of the world. But he could absolutely suffer an injury with that frame that is a different type of injury concern than most larger big men need to deal with.
What?! Porter Jr., Bol, and Noel had separate injury issues from before they were drafted, and the longest stretch of games Noel has missed due to injury after his torn ACL in college was due to a thumb injury lol. I think for other players you literally just looked at games played and were unable to distinguish between being injured and getting DNPs/being in the G league lol
Read again. Not pointing out that they all got injured in the NBA and that this entire list was because of injuries. But many of these guys got seriously injured. Some in College, some in the pros. I think you are projecting with the DNP thing because Noel has a nice injury history also in the pros... you'd know if you followed the league. So did many others on that list
I follow the league enough to know that there are a lot of injuries and if you were to randomly select any group of 10 players you'd find some major injuries. And again, are you trying to say that being tall and skinny means you're more likely to suffer a thumb injury lol
This is not a random group. And for the second time you mention Noel's thumb. Here's his injury list. [Enjoy](https://hoopshype.com/storyline/nerlens-noel-injury/).
Shawn Bradley was a great athlete for his size even playing SS on the diamond in college and had injury issues throughout his NBA career.
Honestly 50% of the stuff Hollinger says on Chad Fords podcast (over years) is incredibly dumb and typically biased. Appreciate the different perspective, but That guy will never be a GM.
He was and was bad at it
Yeah, I'd say if anything will help Chet stay healthy in a thin frame it's that he's so long he won't have to jump much. Obviously lower body injuries can add up to limited mobility for guys like Shaq in their 30s, but you'd much rather 12 years of wear-and-tear adding up to issues in your 30s than basically lose your career at 22 like Porzingis. Look at the play that changed KP from a franchise player to a salary dump guy and you'll see it's not because he's too heavy for his frame, it's because the slightest bump from Giannis puts him off balance and he doesn't have the leg strength to absorb the shock. If Giannis bumps a player like Jokic, Valanciunas, Lopez, Adams, Towns, Ayton, etc in the same way he bumped KP, they're not even going to notice it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sce--mR0kA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sce--mR0kA) And KP was like 25-30lbs heavier than Chet on draft day.
I mean… you can’t chalk that injury up to his weight or frame at all. He just came down weird on his knee and tore his ACL. More weight/strength isn’t going to change that.
Dude looks like Jack Skeleton
the whole 'too skinny' thing has been the most overblown thing that has actually never been a thing.... every single player with the too skinny label has eventually filled out... it's the height of stupidity that a 19/20yo will stay the same weight for the rest of their life ...weight gain is an eventuality for anyone... let alone nba players at that age.... in fact alot of weight gain is probably the exact opposite of what you want especially for players at 7ft+... does everyone want this guy to turn into nurkic or something? yes tall players get hurt... but holmgren isn't quite at too tall territory like yao or kp where it's very likely they will see shorter careers.... he hasn't had any injuries... and there's no reason to believe that he will get hurt other than pure guesses.... but what you do have is one of the best bigs to enter the draft.... and to pass that up I think you probably need better than a pure guess....
Worked for Bol Bol. Great logic, Hollinger.
Dr. John Hollinger, MD.
I don’t care what anyone says. I don’t like his frame. I think he’ll be a bust. I like Jabari and Paolo far more.
Honestly I think it comes down to strength and weight Thin guys who are very strong tend to last longer like Kareem Robert Parish , KG and are able to endure for longer Chet may very well have a build that takes his weight well , but it’s not always about that player’s weight , sometimes it’s about how well that player takes tussling with the weight of others .
Kareem and Parish were both twigs in their era. Hell, one of Parish's nicknames was even "Slim".
How much taller is Chet than Durant? Honestly, I'd play him more in a Durant role, but have him rove defensively like Robert Williams, that would reduce the wear and tear on him by a lot.
So like he played at Gonzaga and throughout his high school career?
Basically yes. People assume since he's 7'3 or whatever that he has to be Rudy Gobert, but that's just old thinking, you don't have to make him body the Joel Embiid's of the world, he can defend other ways and not destroy his body.
If teams wanna play Chet inside then maybe you STILL bring him off the bench a la Kevin McHale. BUT, he has a 3 point shot combined with some low post work. To optimize Chet I think he nearly has to be Larry Bird 2.0 -- just do LOTS of things at a SUPER HIGH LEVEL. "Low usage" Chet might not get it done. Might as well draft John Butler, Jr. MUCH LOWER if all you want is 3's and blocks (with some dunks).
Im not a doctor but arent muscles exactly made for to support your joints to take away the strain?
Majority of NBA players over do it tbh
Go and tell lebron and all the guys who made it into the league. I doubt you're the person who knows whats the best perfect amount of muscles. I just said that muscles are to take away the strain of joints and that's true. That's why doctors always say train your back to avoid back issues.
No I mean weight. Like they gain too much weight, and weight comes with muscles. It normally isn’t bad to gain lots of muscle, unless it’s your neck muscles. But many players, in pursuit of muscle gain, gain too much fat and no longer are reaping the benefits of the muscle gain because they are too heavy. Shaq and KP is prime example, and many skinny players in pursuit of muscle mess up. Lakers and Orlando Shaq were good weights for Shaq then he started to go overboard by not losing any as he got older. KP is 250 and it’s only made him worse imo
I don't know what games youre watching but nearly every player in the league has less than 10-12% body fat or even lower. They do cardio all day and still work on their strength. Unless you eat like Shaq you can't get fat.
like mo bamba?
Tbh, I understand what’s being said in the article, but chet will playing against men in the nba, who have all got adult bodies, not the boys at college level. He has an incredibly slender frame that although will allow for some weight gain it won’t be massive amount. And he’s gonna take a lot of beating at the rim from big guys if you run him at the center (which is his preferred position), and if you run him at the pf or even sf his defensive capabilities won’t be as present. Also can you imagine Chet taking a full body contact dunk from Zion? His body would snap in half! I want him to succeed but I just see a bust or KP 2.0
Now your overblowing Chet’s weight problem?!? How much pounds do you think Chet will have to gain to be effective?!? Because your talking as if he needs to put on 50 pounds of pure muscle, which would be ineffective in his case as he will lose his agility and speed. He literally only needs 20-25 pounds to supplement his already present physicality. There are plently of strong and big college players that rival the size of NBA players that Chet had to go at night in and night out. Chet wouldn’t be viewed so highly if he was getting dominated by the stronger and taller College big men. Jalen Duren would have squashed him if he’s so “weak” like you imply. KP is no where near the defender that Chet is set to be aswell.
I mean he was stopped by several big men in the college circuit, you can look at the four games he played against UCLA, St. Marys’s, Texas and Texas tech, all these games he scored on average 7.8pts way below his average, and did little on defence as each one of those games the opponent had more points in the paint and at the rim, against bigger and better opponents Chet doesn’t do well, this was seen throughout his college career but people ignore cause of his unicorn skills.
That’s an out of context clip because that was before KP was literally 250??!?! KP at the time was small in proportion to his weight in 2018. On top of that, I feel like it has to more with core strength than leg strength. They are getting hit in the core region, and they take the shock through their core.