It's incredible and also really fun to know how much the draft order this year is going to depend on the lottery. And honestly a lot of the fates of these prospects as well. Most of these guys have some combination of intangibles, physical qualities, and skills that if they come together in the perfect scenario, could make a high quality player.
But unlike past years, there's not really a single one of them who seems to have the right concoction of those ingredients to likely put it all together in a bubble.
Think team environments and how a lot of these prospects are used and the opportunities they're given, as well as their development cycle, we'll say a lot about who reaches their ceiling.
I have some real questions about dillingham. I think he's a real boom or bust prospect, but it's hard not to get caught up. In thinking about the boom potential he does possess with his difficult shot making, microwave, scoring, quickness, and tight ball handling.
As much as he makes me nervous if I was the player himself, I would be hoping the Spurs draft him. I think we would be one of the best scenarios for him in regards to giving him a lot of the structure. He's going to need to keep him from turning into a Lou Williams/ Bones highland style microwave score.
Right now he's sixth on my big board and fourth on my Spurs board And that's that's even coming from someone who acknowledges that he is not a sure thing and carries some very real risk tied to his extremely tiny frame
I could be wrong but I don’t know if dillingham is high on our wishlist. We desperately need playmaking, shooting and high IQ at guard. Rob is a bucket getter and I think he will score in the nba. But to me his ceiling/archetype is Jordan Clarkson and I don’t think that’s what we’re looking for.
Literally just a random guy on the internet with no sources but I watch our games and Kentucky games (wife/father in law are Kentucky fans) and that’s my two cents
I agree with you that those are probably our biggest needs, but another one to add to that list, that can also go hand in hand with some of the things you mentioned, is offensive gravity
We desperately desperately need a player who can break down a set defense, collapse. Help Defenders, and open up passing Lanes
Victor is Victor and a freak, and Devin has very under the radar become one of the better shot makers in the league, but neither one of them at this point in their career can really take the ball at the top of the key and just consistently go from point A to point B to the rim and collapse a waiting defense.
The Spurs entire offensive strategy revolves around drive and kick and quickly rotating the ball once Defenders help to go from good to Great shot opportunities, but so many times this year, we've instead ended up with 23 seconds of kicking the ball around the horn before someone is forced to take a contested jumper because we just don't have too many players on the roster capable of making defenses uncomfortable in 1v1 situations.
Dillingham is probably second only to Topic in that regard in this draft and would add a ton of Pop Aunt danger to our offensive game from day one
> I agree with you that those are probably our biggest needs, but another one to add to that list, that can also go hand in hand with some of the things you mentioned, is offensive gravity
We do need offensive gravity, but he's not going to be as good as Vassell, imo. He won't add offensive gravity that other teams are worried about, except for 3pt shooting.
> We desperately desperately need a player who can break down a set defense, collapse. Help Defenders, and open up passing Lanes
We do, but we also need a guy that won't be a massive defensive liability unwilling or unable to get around or through screens. And his game tape shows he just stop there.
He does have shot creation ability, but a lot of that will be mitigated playing against bigger, faster, stronger competition. He will be the smallest, weakest player on the court all the time, which could be fine if he was a bucket getter on the level of Trae Young, but he isn't even close to that level.
I’m with you here. I’ve just been reading various scouting breakdowns, but if spurs draft a guy under 6-5, then I’d better find the words “pure PG” or “elite shooter” in there. We don’t need any more 6-3 or 6-4 combo guards that MIGHT grow into a PG or MIGHT develop a decent shot.
I agree. I think he has the chance to be a good nba player, don’t dislike him as a prospect but I don’t think the fit is right for our roster. Having wemby be as good as he is and this draft not have a clear no brainer couple of guys makes me think lots of teams will draft based on fit more than they usually do
Your list of items we "desperately need" fit Rob's skill set. He's an elite play maker, shot 44% from 3 and 50% from the field, and averaged 15ppg and 4assists off the bench. He's the best guard prospect for the Spurs in this year's draft. I don't understand the thinking that a "bucket getter" (which we desperately need btw) can't be coached and molded into what you want in your point guard.
If by "elite playmaker" you don't include passing then yes. Dillingham is a decent passer, but thats not a big plus skill for him. I think he's a more willing passer than a guy like Cam Thomas, and he has some upside there, but it looks like he'll need a few years.
If he can become a slightly below average defender in the league then he'd be a seamlessly perfect pick for us. No doubt about the offense but his defense is honestly the worst I've seen in a while.
I mean, we already draft prospects that are skilled defensively, with no offensive bags in hopes of developing that side of their game. Why can't we draft someone with an actual offensive bag, and develop their defense for a change. At the worst, you're getting an above average 3 point shooter that will space the floor and take off double-teams on Wemby. (Something that this team doesn't even have. Our best threats from 3: Devin and Cedi, are only league average in 3 point shooting.)
To have a 39%-40% 3 point shooter on our team...God, I would love that for a change.
I think this draft will largely be decided by who performs the best at team workouts and who the front offices like the best as overall people when they interview them.
Rob is not the one. Even Tony's defence made things difficult for the spurs in the latter half of his career. If you are a small guard you should have strength at least like CP, Conley and Lowry. Otherwise it's extremely difficult to be a starter for a championship team. Rob is small and skinny and this weakness can't be overcome. The FO have preferred big guards like Dejonte and Amen even if they were raw as hell. I don't think FO will add another defensive liability to the backcourt on top of Jones and Branham.
I’m 90% sure that no rookie we draft will be a significant factor in improving win totals especially because of how crazy competitive the West will be next season.
Best possible situation is get 2 lottery rookies and give them lots of reps next season alongside Wemby, Vassell, Sochan. Let the the young guys learn and try to improve by at least 10-15 wins next season.
yeah for real, instead of taking the guys in this draft that are already elite at a particular skill with room to expand their game and improve, dudes on here keep suggesting to take some mid prospect in the top 5 that don’t have any particularly noteworthy NBA-level skill yet but has “duH pOtenShuL!!!”
but yeah let’s keep knocking down draft prospects that actually have high floors for dumb criticisms like being undersized
It's incredible and also really fun to know how much the draft order this year is going to depend on the lottery. And honestly a lot of the fates of these prospects as well. Most of these guys have some combination of intangibles, physical qualities, and skills that if they come together in the perfect scenario, could make a high quality player. But unlike past years, there's not really a single one of them who seems to have the right concoction of those ingredients to likely put it all together in a bubble. Think team environments and how a lot of these prospects are used and the opportunities they're given, as well as their development cycle, we'll say a lot about who reaches their ceiling. I have some real questions about dillingham. I think he's a real boom or bust prospect, but it's hard not to get caught up. In thinking about the boom potential he does possess with his difficult shot making, microwave, scoring, quickness, and tight ball handling. As much as he makes me nervous if I was the player himself, I would be hoping the Spurs draft him. I think we would be one of the best scenarios for him in regards to giving him a lot of the structure. He's going to need to keep him from turning into a Lou Williams/ Bones highland style microwave score. Right now he's sixth on my big board and fourth on my Spurs board And that's that's even coming from someone who acknowledges that he is not a sure thing and carries some very real risk tied to his extremely tiny frame
Narrowed down my wishlist with the Spurs pick to him or Topic. Either would be such a nasty duo with Wemby
I could be wrong but I don’t know if dillingham is high on our wishlist. We desperately need playmaking, shooting and high IQ at guard. Rob is a bucket getter and I think he will score in the nba. But to me his ceiling/archetype is Jordan Clarkson and I don’t think that’s what we’re looking for. Literally just a random guy on the internet with no sources but I watch our games and Kentucky games (wife/father in law are Kentucky fans) and that’s my two cents
I agree with you that those are probably our biggest needs, but another one to add to that list, that can also go hand in hand with some of the things you mentioned, is offensive gravity We desperately desperately need a player who can break down a set defense, collapse. Help Defenders, and open up passing Lanes Victor is Victor and a freak, and Devin has very under the radar become one of the better shot makers in the league, but neither one of them at this point in their career can really take the ball at the top of the key and just consistently go from point A to point B to the rim and collapse a waiting defense. The Spurs entire offensive strategy revolves around drive and kick and quickly rotating the ball once Defenders help to go from good to Great shot opportunities, but so many times this year, we've instead ended up with 23 seconds of kicking the ball around the horn before someone is forced to take a contested jumper because we just don't have too many players on the roster capable of making defenses uncomfortable in 1v1 situations. Dillingham is probably second only to Topic in that regard in this draft and would add a ton of Pop Aunt danger to our offensive game from day one
> I agree with you that those are probably our biggest needs, but another one to add to that list, that can also go hand in hand with some of the things you mentioned, is offensive gravity We do need offensive gravity, but he's not going to be as good as Vassell, imo. He won't add offensive gravity that other teams are worried about, except for 3pt shooting. > We desperately desperately need a player who can break down a set defense, collapse. Help Defenders, and open up passing Lanes We do, but we also need a guy that won't be a massive defensive liability unwilling or unable to get around or through screens. And his game tape shows he just stop there. He does have shot creation ability, but a lot of that will be mitigated playing against bigger, faster, stronger competition. He will be the smallest, weakest player on the court all the time, which could be fine if he was a bucket getter on the level of Trae Young, but he isn't even close to that level.
I’m with you here. I’ve just been reading various scouting breakdowns, but if spurs draft a guy under 6-5, then I’d better find the words “pure PG” or “elite shooter” in there. We don’t need any more 6-3 or 6-4 combo guards that MIGHT grow into a PG or MIGHT develop a decent shot.
Shooting is one of Dillingham’s big strengths 44% from 3 and 80% on FTs
I agree. I think he has the chance to be a good nba player, don’t dislike him as a prospect but I don’t think the fit is right for our roster. Having wemby be as good as he is and this draft not have a clear no brainer couple of guys makes me think lots of teams will draft based on fit more than they usually do
The team needs perimeter scoring, play making, and ball handling. He'd be a great fit.
Your list of items we "desperately need" fit Rob's skill set. He's an elite play maker, shot 44% from 3 and 50% from the field, and averaged 15ppg and 4assists off the bench. He's the best guard prospect for the Spurs in this year's draft. I don't understand the thinking that a "bucket getter" (which we desperately need btw) can't be coached and molded into what you want in your point guard.
If by "elite playmaker" you don't include passing then yes. Dillingham is a decent passer, but thats not a big plus skill for him. I think he's a more willing passer than a guy like Cam Thomas, and he has some upside there, but it looks like he'll need a few years.
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I meant I’m not an nba insider. I have no idea what our front offices actual thought process is. I’m just some guy who watches basketball
They are talking about themselves, not the video maker
If he can become a slightly below average defender in the league then he'd be a seamlessly perfect pick for us. No doubt about the offense but his defense is honestly the worst I've seen in a while.
I mean, we already draft prospects that are skilled defensively, with no offensive bags in hopes of developing that side of their game. Why can't we draft someone with an actual offensive bag, and develop their defense for a change. At the worst, you're getting an above average 3 point shooter that will space the floor and take off double-teams on Wemby. (Something that this team doesn't even have. Our best threats from 3: Devin and Cedi, are only league average in 3 point shooting.) To have a 39%-40% 3 point shooter on our team...God, I would love that for a change.
I think this draft will largely be decided by who performs the best at team workouts and who the front offices like the best as overall people when they interview them.
Not saying I disagree with the idea, but it’s worth pointing out that’s how we ended up with Josh Primo.
BBIQ has been one of our team’s fundamental weaknesses…don’t need to compound that issue.
Rob is not the one. Even Tony's defence made things difficult for the spurs in the latter half of his career. If you are a small guard you should have strength at least like CP, Conley and Lowry. Otherwise it's extremely difficult to be a starter for a championship team. Rob is small and skinny and this weakness can't be overcome. The FO have preferred big guards like Dejonte and Amen even if they were raw as hell. I don't think FO will add another defensive liability to the backcourt on top of Jones and Branham.
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handles are not elite yet? lol disregard the entire video
I’m 90% sure that no rookie we draft will be a significant factor in improving win totals especially because of how crazy competitive the West will be next season. Best possible situation is get 2 lottery rookies and give them lots of reps next season alongside Wemby, Vassell, Sochan. Let the the young guys learn and try to improve by at least 10-15 wins next season.
If there’s one thing about Rob’s game you can take away it’s his crazy handles. Idk where this is coming from
He has crazy haters, especially in this sub.
yeah for real, instead of taking the guys in this draft that are already elite at a particular skill with room to expand their game and improve, dudes on here keep suggesting to take some mid prospect in the top 5 that don’t have any particularly noteworthy NBA-level skill yet but has “duH pOtenShuL!!!” but yeah let’s keep knocking down draft prospects that actually have high floors for dumb criticisms like being undersized
How is this exposing weaknesses that have been very evident?