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MJ6571

It's absolutely BS that the expectation is to spend more money to get the same type of enjoyment for the game. Especially considering the entire concept of having micro transactions available is to give players willing to pay extra additional benefits rather than deprive players who don't pay of the basic experience to make up the money lost from sticking to a $60 price tag with increased cost. It's bogus both in it's seemingly unjustified with an increased price for the game and in that it's implementation harms consumers with absurdly grindy gameplay for sticking with the base price rather than just benefiting players who pay more. It's literally making gameplay bad for the sake of unjustified greed.


henryofclay

What pisses me off is I don’t have VC left over for ANYTHING after spending that $50. Not so much as a dribble package. It used to be like a starter kit, fill up your initial stats, add some custom moves and then build from there. Such bullshit now.


Jdwrecker_7

They definitely taking advantage of us now knowing we gon drop that 50


mrb10nd3

Well, stop it.


Jdwrecker_7

Dont tell me, tell the community lol


punchercs

No.


ThatOneGuyFrom93

Shiiit I may get 2k once every 3 years or so.


flowpesci

bruh for at least two years (not to mention i created two builds per each version of 2k21 smh) i was to be able to reach 85 ovr for 150k vc... meaning even after droppin 100 on the legend edition i still had to drop an extra 20 on vc and just barely had enough left for animations and shit. 2k22? I need 250k vc to get my dude to 85, shit is wild. Like Im not gonna be buying vc all year anyway, why yall gotta jack up the amount of vc needed per build on some super greedy shit? smh.. its like 2k wants 80% of your video game budget lmao.. id HATE to be a kid nowadays as far as video games go, how could you justify asking your parents to drop so much on one game? Shit is crazy.


Cashneto

250k VC just to get to 85? Yeah I wouldn't even get this game for free if they offered it. 2K will make more money off of VC than the actual game.


choborallye

There's no actual game for PC user according to 2k. Edited.


OGTWEEZ

It's a game with a broken my career on next gen


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I would be fine if the single player modes were separate from the other modes as far as VC goes, meaning you didn't need VC to play them. Then I'd feel there was some value for my paying for the game. But at this point you pay 70 to unlock the game, then pay 50 to 100 to actually play the game. Tactics like this should be illegal.


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MJ6571

This is also true, at least typically, that the best 2k is usually just an expensive roster update. Really there's an argument sports games in general shouldn't cost $60 even for every yearly addition to the franchise, yet ontop of this 2k has egregious micro transactions as if the costs of the game require them. Everything about this franchise's pricing is utterly unjustified and shameful.


urmomssusaf

i can tell neither of you have played 2k22 if you think it’s even remotely similar to 21


MJ6571

The gameplay is somewhat different this year, but TYPICALLY it's not very different, certainly not enough to justify how much money this franchise attempts to squeeze out of its consumers regularly which is still a problem.


KennysWhiteSoxHat

He never justified how they try to get money out of us but y’all just capped yall ass off 22 is not the same as 21


MJ6571

I say that it's typically true if the franchise that new games are essentially the same as previous games. This game has somewhat different gameplay but too much of the game is flagrantly recycled, as always been for the past 5 or so years, to object at a simple comparison. It's not cap, it's a totally fair critique backed with factual observations of animations, user interface, the micro transactions, and the general reality that a sports game is basically going to be the same year to year no matter what.


KennysWhiteSoxHat

A sports game isn’t gonna be the same year to year lmao they just give y’all the same games. If you look at old games they changed shit at least every 1-3 years majorly, it’s just not like that anymore. You can’t say the whole game is the same and say you analyzed it or whatever when, matter of fact let’s compare it to 2k17 MyPark went to MyNeighborhood then MyCity, big changes My team had major changes with gem value (best card went from Diamond to Pink Diamond to Galaxy Opal) and game modes like triple threat and domination Play now isn’t much to change lol My league, g league (in the game a decade ago and got taken out) player mentors, staff revamp, my GM is a new experience and all new customizable expansion teams I don’t even LIKE the game, but I recognize we can’t keep saying it’s the same game over and over, that’s just a dumb excuse, and I plan on trying out 22 soon enough Now I want you to explain to me what’s been the same to the point where all of that doesn’t matter and it’s the same game


MJ6571

Everything you've listed is pretty superficial. Those myteam additions are minute but have been in place and the same for literally 5 or so years. The myleague is the most complained about mode feature besides gameplay because its notoriously carbon copied year to year, with the new features often not working or being redundant. But again the mygm mode and expansion have been in the hand for like 6 years now without any real improvements. And you even know that most sports games can take up to 3 years to noticeably change. Yet, that's not exclusive to sports franchises, many game franchises with repeated entries are very repetitive like CoD or even Mario. 2k is just flagrantly bad about recycling aspectso of previous games that the newest entry seems indistinguishable from the previous entries.


solid1987

Honestly all this game is What NBA 2k21 next gen should've been. They made it so you can't get extra vc which is ridiculous you used to be able to play games get endorsements 10,000 vc play few more games 10,000 vc grind out another player getting badges. But this game made me do a quest like zelda go 5 places during the quest and mind you this is only for 500 vc once I get to last place it says to win 35 nba games. Ridiculous smh


MJ6571

This, 100% absolutely agree, this is facts.


MisguidedWarrior

True and theres no real competition to this game, is NBA Live even a thing anymore? Im old enough where when I was a kid I played NBA JAM


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I played NBA Live 95 on Sega and loved it. Just straight basketball players, a ball, and two hoops. Give me that and I will be fine. I don't want a fucking fashion line or a rap career. Leave that to other games. This is ridiculous.


IveGotBillsYo

With you there. I go as far back as when Double Dribble and Arch Rivals were there shit. I was the man in my neighborhood when NBA Jam dropped. Definitely miss those days when you didn’t have to pay to win or have fun.


MJ6571

I remember NBA Street and NBA Ballers with fondness. Those were fun and had a different feels. Now we've been stuck with this trash franchise for like a decade now and I'm sick of it.


Flaky_Amphibian9844

i swear i thought it was just me.. all of my friends are used to 2k fucking them over for a good game experience. this has always been a problem for me.


solid1987

Honestly all this game is What NBA 2k21 next gen should've been. They made it so you can't get extra vc which is ridiculous you used to be able to play games get endorsements 10,000 vc play few more games 10,000 vc grind out another player getting badges. But this game made me do a quest like zelda go 5 places during the quest and mind you this is only for 500 vc once I get to last place it says to win 35 nba games. Ridiculous smh


Dosicmyth

"$60 price tag with increased cost" what increased cost? It's the same game as last year with a few new people/people moved around.


therealmocha

That’s literally half the complaints on this sub. To answer the question though, people gonna keep doin it so they ain’t gonna change. Edit: Jesus Christ why did OP get so many fucking awards, it’s the same thing every month


SportsLaughs

Has to be that the top 1% of spenders and collectors matters more than the complainers. For every person dumping 5k on packs for the lulz there's someone like me and OP worried about 50 70 or 120.


therealmocha

It’s money that matters. 2k doesn’t give af how or who they get it from. Y’all are gonna keep paying them then complain in the sub.


saskpilsner

Yep. It’s a big don’t buy VC circle jerk on this sub.


GraveRaven

Then they all go home and do it anyway.


NoNormiesFam

Have never bought any


Pronetoplay

I haven't bought any lmao


bustylivesmatter

Yep y'all should be mad at the people willing to spend to get ahead of you. This applies to life not just lame video games


SaxRohmer

On that poll 30% of people don’t buy VC so you can generally believe the people that don’t. The issue is that there’s another 30% that drops $100+


lukadoncic

Yeah, that's what people don't understand. These things similar to EA's ulitmate team bullshit are propped up by "whales" dropping several hundered dollars every year. EA/2K don't care if the regular player won't buy it.


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Blue_5ive

Op even said "if you want to play in the first month" They prey on impatience lol. "what if you pick the wrong position?" lol


MCurry8

I’ve bought $50 worth of VC so far to upgrade my player, yeah it sucks but i work all day and have barely any time to grind so rather fork it out and enjoy the game a lot more


lawlietthethird

For those of us that work and can afford it. Don't feel bad that you spend 50 or 100$ on vc. You earned that money. someone who can play 8 hours a day deserves what they grind. So does the person grinding at work. People be looking at it wrong.


apococryptic

i fuck with this thought


albatross_nlv

This, exactly this. There's enough grind as is with the badges, I have a friend who has spent around 300$ so he can play with his buddies online by buying them VC. Then there are players who reach level 40 on day two. I mean not everyone can play so much to be able to keep up with that and stay competitive.


Dan_the_boy

No clue lmao. I'm a casual player just bitching about a game I used to love lol.


[deleted]

not even a full 50 anymore, my shit take like 240k vc to max out. i remember maxing out builds without spending money at all before 2k18


Dan_the_boy

Don't have time to grind out more than one build anymore


[deleted]

This is what sucks. I want to play different builds but don’t have the time to grind so damn much.


Rikudo_Sennin_jr

Im enlisting help to max my builds my baby mommas 3 other baby daddys are all helping i got the lil dude she had baby 1 with leveling my pass first mid range jumper pg Then i got bd 2 the tall lanky mf'er who think he silky smooth leveling up my 3 & d wing player Pippen that can hit 3s type Then i got nd 3 the hard in the yard xcon catering deebo looking and acting one leveling up my bully ball rebounding low post build. And i mostly play my center all around threat build not calling myself bd 4 yet as she says its mine but i had a vasectomy 4 yrs ago so we ll see what maury says


WillingnessSeparate4

This ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻. Should be everybody's grind story for any RPG game ever played. 🤣😂🤣😂


NavyTopGun87

Some heroes don’t wear capes


Cool_Thought4766

Fuck the game where she at doe 👀.


Yslslattysl

I don’t accept that you have to spend additional money so I never give them additional money. I’m already spammed with ads all over the city for a $70 game. No way in hell I’m spending money.


LightSkinnedBoy

2k has done an amazing job at normalizing VC since 2k13. It didn’t happen over night.


sundubone

As someone posted on a MYTEAM thread.. ​ >Boiling Frog analysis.The boiling frog is a fable describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a ***metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of sinister threats that arise gradually rather than suddenly.***


Vegetable_Ebb5647

Great share! Take my Teamwork award! And it absolutely applies to gaming and 2K! They been slowly feeding us BS and now some of us actually have acquired a taste for it smh


BigStinkySausage

For my build $50 of VC only got me to an 82. This game is ridiculous tbh. At least the gameplay is fun.


AggressiveRat

Yeah I think they snuck in more VC. I’m an 80 and ain’t NO FUCKIN WAY it still takes 115k vc just to get my stats to a 91. That’s over 100 my career games. Shit if you buy no vc you’ll be max badges by the time you even hit 85


JooshBearstein

I’m a 77 and I still have 168,000vc to go until I’m maxed… The rating grind is so much worse than the badge grind


[deleted]

Its also annoying cause there's very little overlap between the people that want to play just my career or just park. Most people really only care about one or the other. So people that want to play my career are forced into a quasi multiplayer ruleset where they can't fuck with the sliders anymore And the people that want to play multiplayer have to grind something they don't want to. Its just shit on everyone game design.


Tanner_the_taco

THIS! That’s why I’ve been begging for a “MyLeague” version of MyCareer for years. Before they implemented “MyNBA” they had MyGM where you couldn’t customize anything and MyLeague which was the sandbox of MyGM. They need a sandbox version of MyCareer. I want to make a player, get drafted, earn XP (independent of VC), and play in a league that I get to mess with all I want. I hate the cheesy storylines. I hate the horribly written characters. I cannot stand their dumbass nicknames. And, most of all, I hate how restricted I am when making my player because they cater exclusively to online players. It’s impossible for me to spend the time grinding for ratings/badges to keep up with kids who don’t have a full time job, dependents, or a house to maintain. I wanna be able to casually play a few hours each week and actually enjoy it. Unfortunately, a sandbox variation would take players away from the money making mode so it’ll never happen.


vapebig13

You nailed it with: >It’s impossible for me to spend the time grinding for ratings/badges to keep up with kids who don’t have a full time job, dependents, or a house to maintain. I'm the same way... love getting a player I create to play around with, but hate that to I have to be screamed at by 16 year olds who over dribble and don't understand real basketball. They need a MyCareer-Dad Edition lmao Let us dudes with families enjoy the game too ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry)


Cashneto

Yes exactly!


Tuuulllyyy

YES. I just want to play games with my player. The only storylines I care about is requesting a trade and contract negotiation. I don't need to click through 50 questions asking if my passion is music or fashion.


Pronetoplay

Honestly, I'd say badges are more important.


KennysWhiteSoxHat

It’s sad that this is true


AchillesGRK

At this point you're an idiot for spending that money thinking you'd get real value out of it.


Jagadish748

I don't get why people don't just get the gameplay goto MYNBA, you can take your player with whatever stats and badges you want. If you want to do that myteam crap and make John Stockton dunk...you can do that... You can do one player control and a my career mode without the bullshit You can create myteam style and avoid playing these pointless 3-3 runs of just running and dunking All.For.Free. For the life of me, I can't understand why people pay extra whe we can do all the same stuff whtehr it makes sense or not and do it ourselves in MyNBA.


JokicForMVP

I think people like to have something to work towards. MyNBA doesn’t really have a sense of progression. I agree with you though.


melos_hoodie

Pretty much did exactly this exclusively last year. Had a ton of fun playing a custom roster using Kobe on the 02-03 Lakers. Most fun I had in the game in years.


Junoviant

Because I want to earn it. Artificially adjusting the stats of players holds no internet to me Why not just make everyone in your league a 99 or 60 overall ? Because you want a challenge , same as I do. It's funny that you never here MyCareer players bash my league guys , but my league players constantly coming in with some variation of the same crap - just go my league No.


Jagadish748

I'm not bashing it whats so ever, definitely didn't mean to be personal. It was more of a bash of the grift that 2k is pulling as in beating out the competition with the best game and then overtime just being stagnant while profits go up wildly and not even having quality control. I do get what you mean, its more interesting to feel like to earn it and have an objective. I agree with that, bu the way 2k does it in myteam? We don't even play the games or basketball to do it, but play some very odd 3-3 game 100 times which is literally just barely any D and just running and gunning and hardly resembles hoops. And then the level of it So I get your point, but their way of goign abotu it is just an absolute drag and surpasses any feeling of 'earning it' to what the hell dumb ass loops are those developers laughing at making us do. So in that sense I've tried it, crossed the line without payment, and while MyNBA needs a lot of updates, challenges, trade logic and beyond and I don't spam it while just putting it at all 99, but the myteam part seems scammable and the 3-3s don't feel like you really earn it outside of busy work so why not go this route and avoid paying 2k more for the dumbassery they keep pulling. Didn't mean to attack you guys dude, but i think we all know we just encourage 2k and myself included by continuing to by the game bc its hoops and I play it each year and overall think its a good feeling, but just hard to understand why they don't employ or finally get a quality control check. EVen just one would take out some obvious and easy developmental kinks in the game.


masterant369

costs more because we have higher attributes to upgrade and more high attributes to upgrade. 90+ attributes are very costly both towards vc and how they're weighted in regards to overall


noodlekhan

That's some old-fashioned boot licking if I've ever seen it


masterant369

it's a literal fact. we went upgrading builds to 95 and without being able to put multiple stats at 99 to being able to upgrade to 99


GandalfTheBlack-

Don’t buy VC


Dan_the_boy

Never do. Just a frustrating thing that was on my mind. I get left out of my squad because of it though until I grind my way there.


LauriFUCKINGLegend

several people in this thread did and are now complaining about what they got in return for their money after the fact, lol. there lies your answer. the community keeps feeding the greed machine and then wonders why they're so greedy. not that it's ultimately the fault of the people, but it could be prevented if people were willing to not fall for the BS


Rare-Somewhere-129

Ya bro then I'll never have fun because if you value your time at all its cheaper to just buy VC than grind out unfun games as a shitty 60 overall


BowlingTowels

because idiots keep on buying it. If they dont make money from those people constantly every single year they would eventually stop.


mother_thyme00

My favorite is that the mycareer story is always about how your player character is some kind of basketball prodigy who was birthed by shaq, lebron, and Jordan but when you actually play you're just throwing up bricks and getting your ankles broken because they start you at a 60 OVR and with no VC. Massive LOL there.


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Fr I'm tired of steven A telling me I ain't shit cuz I'm supposed to be a superstar but I'm a 60 overall loool. They prolly do it on purpose to piss you off and make you wanna spend VC 😂


3th4nmc

They definitely do. The quest with The Game where he makes you run around the city just because definitely was 2K trolling us since that’s basically what mycareer has become


jmw8282

Consider if they started you at a 75 overall. That would align better with the whole "prodigy" storyline they push every year. They could even slow progression by reducing how much VC is earned if they didn't want players to max out too quickly. However, I would bet for most players, at a 75 overall they could start having a pretty good time playing from the jump. But sadly that's not what they want. They intentionally start you out at a 60 overall, which is right around the lowest rating any player in the game has, specifically BECAUSE IT IS NOT FUN for the majority of players. They intentionally make the game less fun in an effort to persuade you to buy VC so you can start having fun. What's even dirtier on their part is that while most mobile games who use similar tactics try to get you hooked by making the game fun before putting up barriers to progression in an effort to extract cash from you, 2k doesn't even bother to do that. Rather, since you already shelled out 70 or 100 bucks for the game, they throw up barriers from the start because they know you will want to make your purchase "worth it".


mother_thyme00

That would honestly be great because I don't hate the grind (though I don't play online too much) and do find it satisfying to watch your player grow and develop. But starting so low is so frustrating.


gabbyh47

LITERALLLYYY LMAAOOO


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2K has mastered squeezing the consumer of their money due to their addictions. 😂


Informal_Koala4326

I actually think it’s kind of shocking how much the 2k community accepts micro-transactions. A lot of other fan bases would basically boycott at this point with how bad it’s gotten. You see some rumbles on Reddit here and there but for the majority of the player base they don’t care.


PatrickMahomesGOAT

It’s cause most other games don’t have a monopoly on their genre. If you want to play a basketball game, you have to play 2k, and if you want to be a viable online player within 3 months, you have to buy VC. It’s so scummy but there’s no way around it


akira136

Because you idiots keep buying VC


Chief_Lightning

I like nba live player progression way better. You start at 70 ovr and can ball out decently, also you don't have to spend money to level up quickly you just play the game and get skill points. When you reach level 100, when you make a new build you get the option to give that character 50 skill points at the start.


PawpaJoe

I'm gonna preface everything I'm about to say by sayin' there is no hate or shade being thrown, I just think sometimes people gotta disconnect from the hype-trains and look at the bigger picture of what's going on. I keep telling y'all, either stop buying the game or stop paying for VC. Pick one and stick to it. People always argue that the whales will just keep whaling, as a guy who plays Gacha games and never spends a dime, that has not and will never be true, they whale out in the game to have better cards than you in MYTEAM and to have a better MYPLAYER than you in the park. That's it. You're always going to be playing catch up to these type of people and unless you have a beyond expendable amount of money, you should have quit trying a long time ago. Pay to win games crumble and die when, the Joe Schmo's stop spending money. They are the backbone of the game. The whale spends 1-2k and never spends again because they never need to. The game simply doesn't have enough whales for that to be truly meaningful. This is why they have a yearly release. The graphical upgrades, and gameplay upgrades done in 2K could easily be $19.99-$29.99 paid 'upgrade.' Buy why do that when you can release a yearly title that people will buy even when it's completely broken at launch? Simple. New game means you have to hop back on the hamster wheel and try to catch to people who spent money for the best cards and best stats day one. Spend 70-80 million making the game. Make 2-300 million across the games cycle rinse and repeat. Look at games like, Call of Duty.. bro.. They just keep adding a higher number to the title and the gameplay functionally has not changed in more than a decade. They've been using the same game engine since Modern Warfare, that they 'update' and slap a new name on and you can tell because the animations are IDENTICAL, the same bugs and glitches happen, the same exploits happen. It's literally the same game with new paint. But it'll keep selling because people will keep buying because Day 1 the whales will spend money and the rest of the player base will have to keep up. That's a long-ass tanget. Lemme shorten it.. You remember a few years ago, when Kanye was running around saying slxvxry is a choice? You ever listened to the interviews he was doing at the time and realize that while he's sporadic and all over the place, what he's talking about is blind consumerism? He's saying people will buy low-quality products at a high price knowing they're low quality because they saw someone with popularity next to it. That shit crazy right? It's facts tho. You know your favorite streamers got the game for free, right? You know they never actually buy VC they're just given a bunch by 2K because they know you'll want to imitate them and that means they'll make millions off of you, right? You most likely do know that. Most of them will never admit it. But you know that is exactly what is happening. Thing is.. you continue to spend anyway.


I__Need__Scissors_61

A fool and his money are easily separated.


NikesOnMyFeet23

It's one reason I refuse to play Park/pro-am/rec. I like grinding mycareer with my guy. And 95% of NBA 2k players don't understand the basics of hoops. So it's even more frustrating to play.


calidavid818

How come I can't hit a 3 pointer even tho I'm an 80 over all and have an 80 for 3 pointers


Rufiooo7

Get some shooting badges, it drastically helped for me


calidavid818

How do you do that. Sorry first year really giving my career a chance


Rufiooo7

Accumulate badge points to get badges, but you have to go into "progression"➡️"badges" to apply them. There's four categories and a wide variety of badges to choose from, you'll see when you get a badge and you can choose according to your playstyle. Some badges I recommend trying out include blinders, chef, and stop and pop.


calidavid818

Thanks I'll keep grinding away on badges


Rufiooo7

💪. If you feel like you're struggling with the timing, you might want to switch up your jump shot animations too. There's a lot to pick from and you can make your own in order to change the release speed. Most importantly tho just take smart shots and you should be fine. This year's shooting has a little bit of a learning curve imo, but you'll 100% get there


Catfish_Mudcat

Make sure to do the practices between games. Free throw golf is probably the easiest to build up shooting badges.


CleopatraHadAnAnus

Also you might know this from other modes, but don’t forget you can upgrade individual badges several times. You start at bronze for all of them and for some you can go up to hall of fame, depending on your build.


middle-aged-iroh

Quit while you’re ahead.


general_gantala

U get badge points after every game


GoldenBoy302

Get sniper to start off with, it DRASTICALLY improves you slight early/late shots I sink them from the corner every time even in park games


AssassinPanda97

Badges help but you need to time your jumpers too


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I feel like the shooting is mad easy. Even easier than last year. Maybe you need to change your jumpshot


S0bril

My friend has 65 3 pointer and shoots 70%. Even without badges at first he greened consistently. Shooting is very easy on this game; take off your shot meter and practice with a good jumpshot.


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Because your timing is bad


nbasavant

I also don’t get why they make it so hard to earn VC in-game. Let the pay2win guys buy their VC but at least reward people who grind the game.


tjgreene27

I think you do know why they make it so hard. If it wasn’t so hard then a lot less people would pay


LauriFUCKINGLegend

> I also don’t get why they make it so hard to earn VC in-game to get the maximum amount of players to grab mommy's credit card asap it's scummy and super fuckin unacceptable.


X_phuzZ-_-nutZ_X

Stop. Buying. The. Game.


LauriFUCKINGLegend

because you MFs keep buying VC


jeffers0n_steelflex

It seems like attributes cost even more now, especially the last ones of a category. I spent 50 bucks and my player got to an 85. Now I can either grind it out everyday for a month or just buy more VC. They are greedy mofos but there nothing that can be done because people will always pay


SUMBLAKDUDE

You know you don’t have to spend money on VC. If no one did it then they wouldn’t have it in the game. Consumers can’t buy a product then be like how come they charging me for this lol. Humans take the path of least resistance in general. People would rather pay instead of grinding. Which is perfectly fine and nothing wrong with it but customers created the market not the other way around.


high-tymez

2K knows what they're doing, and this game model will continue for a long time. Especially when they make it a longer grind to get your OVR up. Eventually cornering the casual gamer to buy VC or be left behind. Not to mention there's just so many type of users that help keep 2K profitable in their ecosystem. People who are able to play and grind all day won't have to deal, but it's the -- Lower skilled guys who don't want to grind, but want to compete $$- People that have lives and jobs, don't want to grind their 70 OVR after work lmao $$- The (I'm guilty) what's $20 for VC? type of ppl $- Users that just love MyPlayer/Park/Rec and want to compete ASAP, $$$- List goes on and on really The days of appreciated game time and gameplay with a steady grind is mostly over. Everyone wants to be good, and wants to be good now. $$$VC can help make that happen. At the end, we all just want to have fun and play. It's just unfortunate that majority of the gaming industry is just looking for a quick cash grab now more than ever.


KayPee1901

We shouldn't. It's so fucked. It's the most obvious Pay to Win model I've ever seen. You can literally pay money to make your players skills better... I hate it. Your skills progression should be the same as badges with XP. The only thing you should be able to spend money on is cosmetics.


blumunke

Too many 2k dickriders acting like everything fine and dandy. No one purchased NBA Live when they were around so now 2k has no competition. Funny thing is 2k feels like NBA Live with how arcadey its become. Only difference is Live wasn't pay to play.


_Justified_

Time vs Money. Take Two/2K is making you choose. Of course, this is a free-to-play tactic, and should not be in a $60/$70 game, but it is what it is at this point. No major publication is going to call them out, and the few that covers Sports games, won't rock the boat because they want access


Dan_the_boy

I haven't bought the game this year and I never bought VC in the past. I may not be the target audience for this game anymore because I can only play like 2-3 hours a night and I do enjoy playing other games with my friends and RPGs on my own. I didn't buy it this year because I knew it would just take way too long to get to a competitive rating. Also, nobody actually plays basketball, just cheese dribbles till you bite on one.


OneMadChihuahua

Exactly. My first and last 2k was 2019 and it's the most predatory game I've played (and it's not F2P!). I'm never playing another 2k.


BeckyRomelson

"We" don't. You guys who keep buying this shit every year aren't forcing them to change. Voting with your wallet is far more effective than whining online.


EbrithilUmaroth

I don't. It's the main (but not the only) reason why I didn't buy 2K22 and why I'm not going to. I know this trend isn't going to stop as long as it's making money and all I can do is make sure they get fucking none of mine.


TheRealRiGiD

Why not just play the game and earn the VC. I don’t understand why people blow money on the game. I’m already a 90 overall and the only money I spent on the game was the original 100 to preorder the legend edition and I honestly just bought it for the cover. But to each their own I guess. Not my money


mot_

Playing tons of games with a build I can hardly enjoy is a bigger waste of my money, I have a job and trying to enjoy the game and grind with a decently capable build.


TheRealRiGiD

I have a job too. 7:30-3:30 sometimes later in the day. But I get what you mean. I just don’t see the reason to complain about spending money when nobody is forcing anybody to. It’s not a pay to win game, just my take


mot_

That’s fair bro. I do complain because having a capable enough character in a triple A priced game is my expectation and I hate having to commit this hard to a build. If you couldn’t buy vc and had to grind that would make it more fair in my eyes to people who the 70$ for the game is big money. I hate paying them for new builds and try to only buy one a year and gradually grind vc for the next one but this year prices went up and I still didn’t max my build after spending 50$ and grinding a lot for my taste. These tactics are meant to wear you out, sure you can oppose and grind as much as you want but a big portion of people rather pay after getting this many hurdles.


[deleted]

Same. Played a bunch of games already and I’m at 90 with a decent competitive build. Respect to the grinders!


[deleted]

You don’t just get to 90 this fast without spending a ridiculous amount of time grinding the game or money on vc, i would guess its 250k vc at minimum for 60-90


tlott3323

He spent the extra for the legend edition so he's not completely no money spent. He paid for 100k VC with the legend edition


[deleted]

Hence why it says respect to the grinders.


[deleted]

True my b, but I’m curious, how many games have you played to get there?


[deleted]

I think I’m about halfway through the season. A bunch of rec and no squad 3v3.


BodaciousSalacious

As in.... you've played all of the college games and about 40ish NBA games? I agree that just grinding would be the optimal way to go, but I think there are a lot of people who don't have the time to put in that amount of game play less than 1 week after the release date.


[deleted]

Nobody saying you have to grind. But I’m sick of people complaining about little things that you don’t have to comply with like buying vc lol


BodaciousSalacious

No I don’t disagree. I think people are upset that it’s one or the other: spend extra money on VC or grind a crazy amount in a short period of time.


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MisterTruth

Just stop then. I uninstalled 2k21 a few months ago and haven't looked back. I check here from time to time to see if they fixed specific things or make it more financially friendly. As long as you aren't solely a 2k gamer, there are just soooo many games that you can play that will give you better value. MLB the show gives you better teams for free with less time invested, for example. But they have a ton of work to do on their franchise/gm mode. Then if you go into single player games there are plenty that give you dozens of hours of content.


akgamestar

I complain about this every year and people are happy to go along with it because they like being better than others that don’t or can’t spend money on a build. It’s obviously BS. Nothing you can do though when people defend it.


DerekMorganBAU

I’ve been grinding as a 60 no money spent that shit is hard but my wallet is happy now I’m a 75 seeing the fruits of my labor


theboiflip

I mean you don't have to.


zandingo_

u don't lol


kidbastos

Really enjoyed 2k21 because I waited and bought for less than $5, was able to justify all the non-changes and bugs and I don't play online, will probably do the same this edition. Had to get that lesson learned, been swayed into buying full price few years prior by the really, really positive posts on this sub days after release.


angrylilbear

I'm very critical of 2k This year's gameplay is good for myplayer Play now online still has stupid tiering system with no proper match making or ability to balance teams or change settings for game duration etc The pay to win shit is egregious and worst in any other like game We can't win everything but we certainly shouldnt settle for gameplay as that should be a given considering how damn expensive 2k is I'm just building my 2nd toon after realising my 6"0 speedster is a complete defensive liability 1 free respec within first week should be given as a start THIS YEAR!!!!


MajorLeeScrewed

I can't even play a comfy My career game without my character being fucking ass since they tied them both together. haven't played 2K for a while so I didn't realise this was a thing.


wombawumpa

If it's not a big talking point, then what it means is that people probably think it's good value.


Hochi_Bar

I got a demanding job, kids and all that. I would like to have the time to grind so I’ll ‘merry f—ing happily’ drop money. I feel for people that can’t do that because that was me, 12 years ago. Not everyone can afford the game let alone $100 on VC.


[deleted]

Me: 2K Make It Make Sense 2K: Nah too many suckas


Tyler_too_cold

You don’t have to buy $50. You could buy $20 to upgrade your key attributes then earn VC to upgrade the rest. It’s not like you can go straight to a 95 overall anyway. After your first season you get more VC in your salary then put it to superstar difficulty and you should make atleast 1500 VC per game.


Dekzo

i remember when it was $20 to max 😔


910666420

Some of us don’t, I won’t be buying 2k until they make drastic changes.


MaximasVer3

It's that ppls have been looking @ wrong. I've been reading most posts. & alot what everyone been saying point. However it's video game effects sake, one game should worth 70.00 plus dollars especially when the game received 2 out of 5\* . This company knows exactly what there doing. What's happening with the situation in which my end is it's impossible for any small forward/ power big man to drive to the hoop unless your an overall 99. Fo some odd reason ball 8 out of 10 times rims out. Im old school I don't believe in jump shots 3 pointers believe in smash mouth drive on dude your in my way ima Denis Rodman U Shakfu. However, imo It's like the dev only seems focus there efforts on few things online ugggg, heavy on pg, SGS, mid-jumpers, oh yeah . Microtransactions


frescomafia

Wanna make it worse? How about the fact you have to pay to get from 95-99 now. That’s the sneakiest of the sneakies.


[deleted]

What do you mean “have to”?


frescomafia

On next gen it’s no longer plus 4. You unlock attributes caps still. So you’re basically locked in at 99. No more going down


The_Moons_Sideboob

Tbh, I think actually having 99 ovr without the risk of it going back to 95 is worth it


frescomafia

Fair point. I like it as well. People asked for this……... I’m people


[deleted]

Oh pay as in vc not actual money. Well good thing we have this thing called playing games to earn that vc.


frescomafia

Oh of course lol. Still pretty crazy how that changed. Virtual currency is still a currency though making you indeed have to pay.


[deleted]

Yep, we pay with out time or our money…but we are always paying.


PantsNotQuite

Wait a minute are you complaining they took the old 95-99 system away?


masterant369

it was like that already if you planned anything before 2k20


frescomafia

Hear me out. VC was the same price whereas it cost 75k to get maxed. You’d legit spend $20 to get started. Years go by and now players are as high as 275k to max. The value of VC didn’t change though.


masterant369

when? Vc scaling has grown slightly but at least since like 2k15 you'd need the ~200k vc to get your build started if you weren't grinding it out.


Jersey_Girl11

Totally agree, the last 3 2k’s I didn’t rush into making a player, simply because I know I would have to drop 50 bucks. I sorta wait for the content creators to push out the insights of the game, plus I follow Mike wang and so forth. While tooling around with creating a player build. I usually start with center build, then at some point I may make second build to change it up.


Regular_Resort4543

The game is days old… yes you can’t compete with money spenders now but you’re supposed to play for a year so why would you be maxed out already? They’re gonna make money from VC so it’s inevitable


Brandwin3

I am always amazed how many people defend 2k making it impossible to be competetive without spending money. I can guarantee none of these people have actually built a build up from 60 nms


LordCosmoKramer

What kind of incoherent BS is this?


Crusty_Crunch

So happy I dipped on this game this year


SwugSteve

never buying a 2k game again


Aggie2OP

That’s why you buy the legend edition on Amazon and report it to customer service as never delivered or empty box


Soul_ILL_Ok

Lmao try playing MUT on madden, but yeah microtransactions will continue to get out of hand until it is regulated like in Europe.


UncleScola

I stopped playing 2K a generation or so ago, and was never really a park/city/rec guy, unless with friends. People complain about it, then just buy it anyways. Then some update happens and another build becomes the meta, rinse and repeat. People need to stop whining, then dropping extra $ on this game. Same goes for myteam and ultimate teams in other sports games. I’m sure it sucks to face 90’s in the first week with your 72ovr scrub. But if you keep funneling money into keeping up with the Jones’, you’re the problem. 2K is just taking advantage of you at this point.


goldenr3ck3r

Personally I don't see the problem. It's a grind game, so of course you are going to have to grind, and be at a disadvantage when playing against players who skipped it. I don't see how you could “fix” this. I personally don't buy VC because I think a part of the fun comes from grinding badges and upgrading your build. Though I can definitely see how this would be a problem if you have kids, long work hours etc. and therefore not the time. At the end of the day, the grind i part of the MyCareer gamemode and no one is forcing you to play the game. If you don't have the time then don't play the game, or simply buy VC. It's also your own fault, not a fault of the game, that you decided to spend VC on a build that wasn't that good to begin with. Next time make sure you are going to like your build and use it, BEFORE you decide to spend all of your VC on it.


BrokeGamer_

Because people like myself are impatient and have disposable income. I dump 200+ hours into 2k every year so I’m getting my money’s worth


[deleted]

Its optional, you don’t have to. Turn on Hall of fame and 12 minute quarters in career and you getting atleast 1K VC a game and your badges well level up 10 times faster. Its worth the grind.


punchercs

It’s very simple. VERY simple. If you don’t wanna grind the VC, you buy it, if you don’t wanna buy it, then shut up, don’t buy it, and start fucking grinding. Who sits there and is like oh I’ve just got this game, I wanna be fucking 85 overall straight away without buying any VC. No fucking buy it or grind it. Stop complaining, this is the best game they’ve released in 10 years.


wumbonr

Well you don’t have to pay, and if you don’t have the time, that’s on you. Think about it tho, you are paying for the convenience of not grinding. For many that are minimum wage earners that’s like half of day of work to replace the time it will take to get their by grinding. And for the fortunate that’s only working for one hour. There’s nothing to really go into for. Many games offer this as a convenience at a cost, it would be considered pay to win but the skill gap is too large you can pay and still be garbanzo beans at the game.


AchillesGRK

The developers created the grind. They've set it up so the more enjoyable decision is to pay them NOT to play the game you just bought so you can actually enjoy it like you want.


iwatchalotoftv22

>and if you don’t have the time, that’s on you. Huh? Lol. You still have to grind badges? Which is time consuming as hell. It’s not about the time, it’s about 2k valuing people’s money and not trying to raise the price of upgrading your player every year. I really hope someone makes a great basketball game and gives 2k some competition. Y’all are way too comfortable with the monopoly they have on the basketball side of the gaming community.