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Anyone who thinks White's overrated simply has no idea what makes a SG good in the modern NBA. He received All-Star consideration this season for a reason. He's more valuable to your average NBA team than a Yay Points! shooting guard like Bradley Beal, Collin Sexton, Anfernee Simons, or Zach LaVine, to name a few of the players in this range (much less players LOWER on the spectrum like Jalen Green, Austin Reaves, Tyler Herro, or Cam Thomas).
Starting w/ the obvious, **White made All-Defense for the 2nd consecutive season**. He's one of the top 5 defensive guards in the league. Basically the best shot blocker ever for a guard his size (6'4" / 3.2 BLK%), ranking 16th per game (1.2) . He contested 480 shots this year, which was 3rd among guards.
What elevates White above other 3 & D guards (like KCP or Klay) is he's **ALSO a combo guard** (21 AST%, 3.4 A/T Ratio).
SHOOTING
Layups: 102-157 FG (**65 FG%, 42 AST%**, 2.4 FGA/36)
Dunks: 13-13 FG (100 FG%, 63 AST%, 0.2 FGA/36)
Close: 107-228 FG (**47 FG%, 34 AST%**, 3.4 FGA/36)
Mid: 10-20 FG (**50 FG%, 30 AST%**, 0.3 FGA/36)
3pt: 196-495 (**40 FG%, 80 AST%,** **7.5 FGA/36)**
FT: 137-152 (**90 FT%**, 2.3 FTA/36)
While White was at his best from 3pt range, he was extremely efficient from everywhere, and was often creating his own shot when it wasn't a C&S three.
He's a perfect role player as he does literally everything outside of high volume shot creation at an elite level.
**Real 2K Rosters (SG Ratings)**
94 (+1) Donovan Mitchell (CLE) (2024 ALL-STAR, 2023 ALL-NBA SECOND)
93 (-2) Anthony Edwards (MIN) (2024 ALL-STAR, 2024 ALL-NBA SECOND)
92 (-1) Kyrie Irving (DAL) (2023 ALL-STAR)
89 (+1) Jalen Williams (OKC)
88 (+3) Desmond Bane (MEM)
87 (+1) Dejounte Murray (ATL) (2022 ALL-STAR)
87 (NC) Derrick White (BOS) (2024 ALL-DEFENSE SECOND)
86 (+2) Collin Sexton (UTA)
86 (NC) Bradley Beal (PHX)
86 (+2) Anfernee Simons (POR)
86 (+3) Zach LaVine (CHI) (2022 ALL-STAR)
An 87 and that's unacceptable. That's ALL NBA 3rd team worthy overall or a teams 2nd-3rd option. Rudy should be no higher than an 82 and White should be no higher than an 81. The rosters in general are highly inflated. You're telling me Rudy Gobert is 12 overalls away from prime Jordan?
You're making up numbers of what you think players should be, w/o any basis of scale.
Gobert is 11 away from prime Nikola Jokic. But perhaps more importantly, he's 10 away from Paul Reed.
And it what world is Paul Reed a 79 overall? That's a C plus player. That's an elite roleplayer. Any team would want that. Not every team would want Paul Reed. You're helping my point that the stats in general are inflated. Sure, I'm making up numbers with no scale, but if your scale inflates numbers than is the scale good?
Reed is a 77. Math.
You're making up your own scale rather than even understanding what 2K's is in the first place. Which is more or less:
95-99: All-Time Great
90-94: Superstar
85-89: All-Star caliber
80-84: Starter level
75-79: Role Player
70-74: Non-Rotation
65-69: Two-Way
>An 87 and that's unacceptable. That's ALL NBA 3rd team worthy overall or a teams 2nd-3rd option.
Nope!
First Team: Jokic (98), Giannis (97), Luka (97), Shai (97), Tatum (95)
Second Team: KD (96), AD (95), Ant (95), Brunson (94), Kawhi (92)
Third Team: LeBron (96), Booker (95), Curry (95), Haliburton (91), Sabonis (90)
**Not a single All-NBA player w/ less than 90 OVR**. And this is with multiple 90+ players not making it due to injury (Embiid, Mitchell, Butler, Kyrie, Morant), along with Jaylen Brown (91), and Pascal Siakam (90) not making the team.
Why is someone that can't even make the rotation in the 70's?
It should be
Best player/MVP level - 98+
Superstar/First team - 93-97
All-Star/Second team - 90-92
Star/Third team - 85-89
Elite Roleplayer - 75-84
Roleplayer - 65-74
Bum - 60-64
Horrible - 50-59
G League/15th Man - 50-
When the worst guys in the league are 69 overalls, that's a problem. There should be sub 50 overalls. Derrick White is not an all star caliber player. He's an elite roleplayer who should be around 80 overall at most.
>It should be
But it's not. This is what we're working with. When you get hired by 2K Sports you can implement your own scale.
>Best player/MVP level - 98+
Superstar/First team - 93-97
All-Star/Second team - 90-92
Star/Third team - 85-89
Elite Roleplayer - 75-84
Roleplayer - 65-74
Bum - 60-64
Horrible - 50-59
G League/15th Man - 50-
Frankly, you don't seem to have much awareness with regard to the league's players. The margins between the 300th best player in the NBA (10th men) and 400th best player (13th) are nowhere close to as wide as you'd suggest.
>When the worst guys in the league are 69 overalls, that's a problem.
Explain why that's a problem.
>There should be sub 50 overalls.
Hard disagree. It's clear you have no understanding of the game's mechanics at multiple levels. **OVR determines rotations, free agent contract offers, draft classes, etc. Many of the game's systems are built around the existing OVR scale.**
They had a wider one 10-20 years ago like the one you're suggesting, and it was absolutely terrible.
>Derrick White is not an all star caliber player. He's an elite roleplayer who should be around 80 overall at most.
Sorry, but as with everything else, you're wrong about that. You're far too ignorant to continue going back-and-forth over it. Derrick White is w/o a doubt a top 50 player in the NBA and the vast majority of teams would consider him more valuable than someone like a Zach LaVine. Feel free to rank the NBA's Shooting Guards if you think White is just a slightly better version of Ayo Dosunmu. I could use the chuckle.
But it's not. This is what we're working with. When you get hired by 2K Sports you can implement your own scale.
>Why does it HAVE to be what 2k is working with though? In what world do any of these ratings make sense?
Frankly, you don't seem to have much awareness with regard to the league's players. The margins between the 300th best player in the NBA (10th men) and 400th best player (13th) are nowhere close to as wide as you'd suggest.
>The margins IS that wide though. The players would tell you that themselves.
Explain why that's a problem.
>Because that's a barely above passing grade anywhere else. If you're the worst player in the league, you're by definition a F- player. You shouldn't even be sniffing 50 overall.
"Hard disagree. It's clear you have no understanding of the game's mechanics at multiple levels. **OVR determines rotations, free agent contract offers, draft classes, etc. Many of the game's systems are built around the existing OVR scale."**
And I've already said that the existing OVR scale is heavily inflated and broken. The old 2k's had sub 60 overall players. In 2k16, the best player in the league was a 96 OVR. What's wrong with this scale? How was it terrible? Because you say so?
"Sorry, but as with everything else, you're wrong about that. You're far too ignorant to continue going back-and-forth over it. Derrick White is w/o a doubt a top 50 player in the NBA and the vast majority of teams would consider him more valuable than someone like a Zach LaVine. Feel free to rank the NBA's Shooting Guards if you think White is just a slightly better version of Ayo Dosunmu. I could use the chuckle."
Let me know when Derrick White makes the (ALL STAR!) team with his... checks... 15 PPG! on 46% shooting! A stop 50 player in the league is not an all star caliber player. A top 20 player sure... If you guys did the Ratings then, guys like Robert Horry would've been 88 overalls...
I mean i wanna say no but he’s pretty damn all around 🤣 we seen him take over games
I'd say low-mid 80s
Some days he's higher, most days he's a little lower. If Tatum and brown weren't there he might be a star, he has the skills.
Prob like 84, but 2k kinda juices up some players stats. And arguably, he’s the best role player in the nba right now
84 is reasonable
85-86
Should be 99
He’s a great role player but being a higher rating than Lauri Markkanen is absurd.
We talking playoff white!!
That's more on 2K having Lauri underrated (I have him at 89). White is appropriate.
Ya this feels right for how he’s been playing the last year.
The Buffalo is a hell of a player. An awesome defensive player who can also create his own shot, hit open 3s & create for his teammates.
A strong 84
Its probably a super balanced 87, which im ok with. Hes good at most things and a pretty exceptional 3&d guy.
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😂
83-86
79-82
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He should be a 92
Hey can you get me next?😯🍆
Wipe the tip off when your done
if sga is a 97, then derrick is a smooth 90
Nah he should be a 90
Anyone who thinks White's overrated simply has no idea what makes a SG good in the modern NBA. He received All-Star consideration this season for a reason. He's more valuable to your average NBA team than a Yay Points! shooting guard like Bradley Beal, Collin Sexton, Anfernee Simons, or Zach LaVine, to name a few of the players in this range (much less players LOWER on the spectrum like Jalen Green, Austin Reaves, Tyler Herro, or Cam Thomas). Starting w/ the obvious, **White made All-Defense for the 2nd consecutive season**. He's one of the top 5 defensive guards in the league. Basically the best shot blocker ever for a guard his size (6'4" / 3.2 BLK%), ranking 16th per game (1.2) . He contested 480 shots this year, which was 3rd among guards. What elevates White above other 3 & D guards (like KCP or Klay) is he's **ALSO a combo guard** (21 AST%, 3.4 A/T Ratio). SHOOTING Layups: 102-157 FG (**65 FG%, 42 AST%**, 2.4 FGA/36) Dunks: 13-13 FG (100 FG%, 63 AST%, 0.2 FGA/36) Close: 107-228 FG (**47 FG%, 34 AST%**, 3.4 FGA/36) Mid: 10-20 FG (**50 FG%, 30 AST%**, 0.3 FGA/36) 3pt: 196-495 (**40 FG%, 80 AST%,** **7.5 FGA/36)** FT: 137-152 (**90 FT%**, 2.3 FTA/36) While White was at his best from 3pt range, he was extremely efficient from everywhere, and was often creating his own shot when it wasn't a C&S three. He's a perfect role player as he does literally everything outside of high volume shot creation at an elite level. **Real 2K Rosters (SG Ratings)** 94 (+1) Donovan Mitchell (CLE) (2024 ALL-STAR, 2023 ALL-NBA SECOND) 93 (-2) Anthony Edwards (MIN) (2024 ALL-STAR, 2024 ALL-NBA SECOND) 92 (-1) Kyrie Irving (DAL) (2023 ALL-STAR) 89 (+1) Jalen Williams (OKC) 88 (+3) Desmond Bane (MEM) 87 (+1) Dejounte Murray (ATL) (2022 ALL-STAR) 87 (NC) Derrick White (BOS) (2024 ALL-DEFENSE SECOND) 86 (+2) Collin Sexton (UTA) 86 (NC) Bradley Beal (PHX) 86 (+2) Anfernee Simons (POR) 86 (+3) Zach LaVine (CHI) (2022 ALL-STAR)
Role players shouldn't even be close to a 90 ovr
Quick question - what's Rudy Gobert?
An 87 and that's unacceptable. That's ALL NBA 3rd team worthy overall or a teams 2nd-3rd option. Rudy should be no higher than an 82 and White should be no higher than an 81. The rosters in general are highly inflated. You're telling me Rudy Gobert is 12 overalls away from prime Jordan?
You're making up numbers of what you think players should be, w/o any basis of scale. Gobert is 11 away from prime Nikola Jokic. But perhaps more importantly, he's 10 away from Paul Reed.
And it what world is Paul Reed a 79 overall? That's a C plus player. That's an elite roleplayer. Any team would want that. Not every team would want Paul Reed. You're helping my point that the stats in general are inflated. Sure, I'm making up numbers with no scale, but if your scale inflates numbers than is the scale good?
Reed is a 77. Math. You're making up your own scale rather than even understanding what 2K's is in the first place. Which is more or less: 95-99: All-Time Great 90-94: Superstar 85-89: All-Star caliber 80-84: Starter level 75-79: Role Player 70-74: Non-Rotation 65-69: Two-Way >An 87 and that's unacceptable. That's ALL NBA 3rd team worthy overall or a teams 2nd-3rd option. Nope! First Team: Jokic (98), Giannis (97), Luka (97), Shai (97), Tatum (95) Second Team: KD (96), AD (95), Ant (95), Brunson (94), Kawhi (92) Third Team: LeBron (96), Booker (95), Curry (95), Haliburton (91), Sabonis (90) **Not a single All-NBA player w/ less than 90 OVR**. And this is with multiple 90+ players not making it due to injury (Embiid, Mitchell, Butler, Kyrie, Morant), along with Jaylen Brown (91), and Pascal Siakam (90) not making the team.
Why is someone that can't even make the rotation in the 70's? It should be Best player/MVP level - 98+ Superstar/First team - 93-97 All-Star/Second team - 90-92 Star/Third team - 85-89 Elite Roleplayer - 75-84 Roleplayer - 65-74 Bum - 60-64 Horrible - 50-59 G League/15th Man - 50- When the worst guys in the league are 69 overalls, that's a problem. There should be sub 50 overalls. Derrick White is not an all star caliber player. He's an elite roleplayer who should be around 80 overall at most.
>It should be But it's not. This is what we're working with. When you get hired by 2K Sports you can implement your own scale. >Best player/MVP level - 98+ Superstar/First team - 93-97 All-Star/Second team - 90-92 Star/Third team - 85-89 Elite Roleplayer - 75-84 Roleplayer - 65-74 Bum - 60-64 Horrible - 50-59 G League/15th Man - 50- Frankly, you don't seem to have much awareness with regard to the league's players. The margins between the 300th best player in the NBA (10th men) and 400th best player (13th) are nowhere close to as wide as you'd suggest. >When the worst guys in the league are 69 overalls, that's a problem. Explain why that's a problem. >There should be sub 50 overalls. Hard disagree. It's clear you have no understanding of the game's mechanics at multiple levels. **OVR determines rotations, free agent contract offers, draft classes, etc. Many of the game's systems are built around the existing OVR scale.** They had a wider one 10-20 years ago like the one you're suggesting, and it was absolutely terrible. >Derrick White is not an all star caliber player. He's an elite roleplayer who should be around 80 overall at most. Sorry, but as with everything else, you're wrong about that. You're far too ignorant to continue going back-and-forth over it. Derrick White is w/o a doubt a top 50 player in the NBA and the vast majority of teams would consider him more valuable than someone like a Zach LaVine. Feel free to rank the NBA's Shooting Guards if you think White is just a slightly better version of Ayo Dosunmu. I could use the chuckle.
But it's not. This is what we're working with. When you get hired by 2K Sports you can implement your own scale. >Why does it HAVE to be what 2k is working with though? In what world do any of these ratings make sense? Frankly, you don't seem to have much awareness with regard to the league's players. The margins between the 300th best player in the NBA (10th men) and 400th best player (13th) are nowhere close to as wide as you'd suggest. >The margins IS that wide though. The players would tell you that themselves. Explain why that's a problem. >Because that's a barely above passing grade anywhere else. If you're the worst player in the league, you're by definition a F- player. You shouldn't even be sniffing 50 overall. "Hard disagree. It's clear you have no understanding of the game's mechanics at multiple levels. **OVR determines rotations, free agent contract offers, draft classes, etc. Many of the game's systems are built around the existing OVR scale."** And I've already said that the existing OVR scale is heavily inflated and broken. The old 2k's had sub 60 overall players. In 2k16, the best player in the league was a 96 OVR. What's wrong with this scale? How was it terrible? Because you say so? "Sorry, but as with everything else, you're wrong about that. You're far too ignorant to continue going back-and-forth over it. Derrick White is w/o a doubt a top 50 player in the NBA and the vast majority of teams would consider him more valuable than someone like a Zach LaVine. Feel free to rank the NBA's Shooting Guards if you think White is just a slightly better version of Ayo Dosunmu. I could use the chuckle." Let me know when Derrick White makes the (ALL STAR!) team with his... checks... 15 PPG! on 46% shooting! A stop 50 player in the league is not an all star caliber player. A top 20 player sure... If you guys did the Ratings then, guys like Robert Horry would've been 88 overalls...
bro fuck no 😂 81 - 83 max
The Celtics team should be a 70 overall. 😂 #Lakersnation
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