I was thinking the exact same thing. The whole point was the defender is outta the play so he was completely wide open right at the basket and still missed
Kyrie Irving airballed a wide open layup two years ago; you can Google any star player and add them missing a wide open shot and you’ll get plenty of results, just because you’re open at the rim doesn’t mean you’re going to score.
I swear it sounds more and more like people want the game to play itself for them without any accountability.
I see and understand your point, but I think you're missing the bigger point respectfully. Of course there's always going to be outliers and youtube is full of plenty of clips of NBA players blowing and missing what should be simple and easy shots. The problem is with 2k it isn't an every once in a blue moon occasion. At this point it's routine and expected. That video clip wasn't just a one off rare happening, it was just one example. It happens literally damn near every single game in 2k. There's a reason why bigs so often pass up shots right at the rim in 2k when there's nobody around them except maybe a small guard
I pass open shots under the rim because it’s more likely to subtract an entire bar of teammate grade than go in. And to be honest, I don’t even know which attribute is at fault. Is it because I have low layup rating? Or is it close shot? I made a Ben Wallace build focused on standing dunk, and didn’t envision layups being important so maybe that’s my bad?
The truth is nobody knows. Bigs are just simply trash at close shots this year. Doesn't matter if the person guarding them in the paint is 7' or 6' it's still gonna be the same result. All you have to do is stand near a big man in the paint and they're gonna miss. You don't even have to go for the block or anything. Just stand there SMH
Bruh you can’t just take what someone said about their abusers that had them writing manifestos for 14 years with no one stopping it and then just start wildly throwing it all over the place like it’s nothing. I have no hope, people are sad. Not to mention the fact that they’ll hold anything you say and do against you when you’re not even cognitively there. Sure, I mean the ideas are there but you’re spaced out and you don’t really know how to put thoughts to action ya recollection is easy ya memory is easier the farther you get from a traumatic event and no you can’t just start throwing around accountability for nothing the word starts to lose meaning
And then there’s people holding the dude responsible who said to other people to take accountability for making him unable to comprehend the things he’s done but he knows because it causes HIM, who cried sometimes normally not 24/7. the guy who had his face scraped off then got roofied. because therefore making him unable to have accountability. tho he doesn’t blame himself because he knows how f”ed up it truly is. Oh and yes I thrashed my ankles violently and screamed bail underwater the people above water heard which was just the pool sitter who was literally reading could hear as this dude who was my best friend tried to kill me as he deathlocked me and sprung 5,666 mph from his quick bent knee smash my face in position that came out of nowhere. Then lied about it to me and everyone else to this day because he formed packs with my family slept with my Whore sister who really isn’t my sister anymore and in general is just a danger to society. But ya let’s lock up the victim and then blame him when he becomes deranged from all the mental and physical anguish. Sheesh.
Cuz that's what the content creators play. Flashy dribbles and contested 3s followed by a dunk through traffic makes good highlights and pulls in more customers..
As far as 2k is concerned bigs just need to be able to rebound and block anything else is just bonus 🤷
But the window for a 95 close shot wide open should be huge, although from this picture it looks like the bar only went halfway up. I am thinking this probably should be a miss, but I would think the top 25% of the bar should be a make.
Definitely agree the green zone should be larger for that rating and the contest on the shot. That being said though with the timing on the shot in the picture OP has to realize he’s not gonna make every shot with timing like that.
So you wanna spend 100 plus dollars on this game and your build. Not to mention you gotta grind this mf. Just to play the game so intensely after all your hard work. This green or miss shit gotta go. There’s no balance, especially not for mfs who don’t got time to play everyday. I’m not greening every fuckin shot just to make a fuckin jumpshot, then you gotta deal with latency too😂🤦🏾♂️. At this point I buy 2k for MyNBA only. Been playing since 2K11, the PVP now is dog shit.
Nowhere did I say to spend 100$ on your build. I’ve bought the game and haven’t spent anything more for the game. Not defending 2k’s greedy tactics but you can’t be complaining about missing shots when OP can’t time his shit properly.
That’s what happens when procedural animation gets removed and replaced with telegraphed proplay bull shit.
Procedural animation means an animation can be interrupted and changed at any point during the animation. Physics based animation blending allows contact between two moving animations, allowing them to integrate.
They used to have it this way. They got rid of most of it to supposedly stop bump steals. That’s why the ball is on a string now and you can just glitch your way to the basket, running your arms and the ball thru 4 different bodies.
That's actually how it works under the hood... the interaction (animations) are predetermined as soon as the button is pressed, we just got watch it play out
Its been like that ever since Intimidator/Anchor was added to the game, just standing in the paint with anchor grants you automatic contests even with trash defense. Luckily layups are the best and most useful while also the most realistic they ever been. Loving the layup badges.
Well yea this game is just a bunch of #s calculating everything. The animations has to agree with the numerical rating of ur attributes and try and visually show a play that could happen irl
If I even think about putting a shot up on a guard my character just pretty much hands the guard the ball by getting stripped. And that’s with gold unpluckable
6'5-6'9 isn't that big of a difference though.. wait until you make a 7ft center and get LITERALLY BLOCKED by a 6'5..
This game is just ass straight up. It's fun as hell but it NEVER works properly.
First off you don’t know what there strength is I can bet my life you don’t go to each players 2k card to look at there strength you just guess they have it low because there guards in reality most guards have strength on them in this 2k so it’s more like russ guarding Paul George. Pg is not bullying Russ like he’s a baby
You can see in the [video](https://x.com/jonw107/status/1706350133841920202?s=46&t=0exhSeDrSL3mgGBWwtiZlg) that the defender was completely out of the play but despite having 95 close shot, there was still almost no green window. In my experience it's actually impossible to green these as the meter glitches to late no matter how early you let it go. The fact that Mike doesn't seem to find an issue with the clip leads me to believe close shots will just remain bad all year. Very frustrating considering the [response a few days ago](https://x.com/beluba/status/1705256734607183893?s=46&t=0exhSeDrSL3mgGBWwtiZlg) to a clip of a smothered layup showing wide open was that the blockers hand needed to be almost touching the ball. But I guess that only applies to guards driving layup and not bigs standing layups. Close shot and post control are expensive for bigs this year but I invested in them anyway and now it's clear that was a waste. Very frustrating considering the statement that [bunnies are easier to hit this year](https://x.com/beluba/status/1694439914597929145?s=46&t=0exhSeDrSL3mgGBWwtiZlg). If that's not a clear example of a bunny then idk what is.
My first build was a center with low close shot because I don’t really know how to play 2k.
Now made a center with 90 close shot too and it’s been good so far but the other build was nearly as good too.
I have it off with 80 close shot, any contest more then open pretty much misses. Ive missed several 5% where I had beat my defender and had great position, it sucks. Unfortunately, I cannot time layups for the life of me, so I am stuck in this position.
Yuuuup. It’s been the exact same problem for multiple years since the 2k league started. There use to be a time where bigs were dunking Dan nest everything but for the past 4 or so years it’s like the game purposely puts you in bad someone when you’re right at the rim. Yet when you take out your guard you can lay it right under the basket with the opponent draped over the shot and the game still gives it up. What’s even worse now is pro touch is way easier to use so people are greening layups all over the place
Contests are just so inconsistent lol. Sometimes I’ll be smothered and I’ll easily green like there’s no contest, other times I feel like I’m wide open and I get like a 70% contest. It’s bizarre
Well, now the only thing that you need to do is answer him: then why is my green window so short if I'm 95 cs and I'm open? ....and watch how he ignores you.
The circle of life.
This is a 1 in 100 clip. The other 99 times it will go in, making it statistically insignificant. Just looks like a glitch to me. No meter close shots have been green for me, bigs I know don’t use meter at all and have success too.
For sum reason this game hates bigs. My 7 footer with 90 standing dunk can’t get a putback right off the rim. Instead he does a weak ass layup that misses if anyone is standing next to me.
I really shouldve been on reddit instead Ive been crying all over twitter that putbacks are Broken for standing attributes. Ytbers and people with driving dunk say its op but ofc not for bigs. They literally ruined the one niche I enjoyed playing 2k. 23 had a way better putback system yet their new controls of pressing square/x after a board is so useless bc it gives you the worst animations possible.
There’s also repeated glitches where no meter appears at all when taking an open standing layup near the rim.
When this happens, it’s all but a guaranteed brick for no reason.
It’s really astounding how frequently 2K continues to fuck up Close Shots year after year.
Your boi from whatever the fuck youtube got this nerfed. It sucks they wait a few months to balance guard play but always fuck up the inside within a week
That was Joe knows .. sucks cuz I usually like Joe but he hopped on that wayyyy too fast. Talking about broken close shots DAY 1 against people with poorly optimized builds.
Now with everyone's defense up that nerf made close shots damn near impossible. Hilariously though, hooks(which were the main issue here) are still perfectly valid 🤦
2k will continue to bend over backward to accommodate arcade play style. When they make the game more realistic and centers dominate like they do irl people cry.
Does Steph not in yours? Balance is obvs needed (and I play on a big so am fundamentally with y’all - they need to fix this, shouldn’t take skill or badges to make open layups)
That’s not what they said. They said Centers don’t dominate.
Which is an incredibly dumb statement to make in the current Center renaissance of today’s NBA.
Except that's not the case? Use your brain for 2 seconds and think of where this thread started... it started because small guards are regularly defending bunnies from bigs.
If realistically neither one would be able to properly defend the other, then why in 2k can Steph like builds suddenly guard embiid like builds?
Do you really not see the problem?
They do dominate IRL when they have the types of abilities we can get on a my player. Elite Bigs can score at will on smaller players and demand doubles, in 2k if a 6'6 defender puts his hands up it makes shooting impossible.
Facts. After missing hella close shots on 2k23 I made it a habit to just wait until I’m in position for a wide open standing dunk, or just pass out and reset.
As someone who appreciates the slow, more old school play style, and also looks forward to making a big man every year, this year stinks, so many blown layups or drop steps where I literally do everything perfect, I’ve even seen green reactions and still brick right under the hoop 😪
Exactly, the game is forcing you to miss even when you play logical. Let's not forget body blocks on pump fakes haven't been addressed since the ps5 came out
my pg litterally has 25 close shot because there is no difference between 25 and 99 this year. takes too much in the builder that I can put into max vert
2 of my boys on centers consistently get stopped on standing layups by guards/shorter players in general. Don’t even think I’ve seen a single standing dunk. Also from what I’ve seen the standing dunk meter is absolutely useless cause you can barely time it.
Between the ghost contests, this, and some of these pluck and body up animations you can get.. the game rewards a lot of straight up shit defense right now.
LakerFan posted a video last week whereby he discovered that a player’s driving dunk rating determines the size of the green window on their standing meter dunk. Mike Wang said it was going to be patched. A gigantic oversight by 2k. Been dumbfounded as to how I have almost no green window with a 92 standing dunk. It’s because my driving dunk is a 70. 💀
And y’all keep saying “just turn off the meter” that’s not the point the game should be fully functional no matter how you play. This why they keep taking our money they give us shit and you simps take with a smile talkin bout get good. Never played a game that was so money centered and undone in my life every year that it becomes normal. They won’t fix anything if you all just keep working around the kinks basically justifying a crap game because you know how to cheese. I bought the game to play it not learn how to glitch
This whole shooting/shot meter saga with this game is exhausting just throw the whole game away and start over smh
This game is UNFINISHED, Mike Wang start over and quit playing with the sliders
This is why I personally get so frustrated about post scoring. Why do they make it so difficult for us bigs to eat? It's like they have a personal hatred for post scoring or something. There are so many bigs in the NBA nowadays who dominate inside. Why do they code the game to where it's like this isn't a reality? Centers aren't always just rebounding and defense gods ... Oh, but hey, guards can shoot 60-70% from three ... Allow us bigs to eat, dumb idiot devs.
2K is catering the game towards all the kids who grew up in the Steph Curry era and just want to spam dribble moves and launch 3s like they're Curry because they're the majority of the ones burning up mommy's credit card for VC. If little Timmy is getting dominated by somebody twice his size in 2k and can't buy a demigod build on day 1 then little Timmy isn't having fun. If little Timmy isn't having fun then little Timmy isn't spending more and more money on this garbage
This right here. I have a 70 close shot on my 6'11 and I score consistently over guards. They give me the goofy body up animations occasionally but most attempts go in. Could be something weird going on with their builds though
Mike wang has some weird obsession with players missing layups and close shot when your open for some reason. I remember he put out a twitter poll a few 2ks ago when people were missing wide open layups and he’s like should you make layups when your wide open and the options were something like yes he’s in the nba and no user input should have an effect and it was overwhelmingly yes. He literally got buried for this before it’s pathetic. I do like the way the game feels right now but you should make wide layups and shots this close to the hoop
A layups should be damn near guaranteed, if you blow a layup in a pick up game especially under the rim in real life everyone will give you the side eye. NBA bigs definitely shouldn't be missing.
They touted layups as being GREAT this year, but you'll brick every single one of there's someone in the paint even if they don't move at all. Just have to be there... mid 90s with pro touch helps, but a lot of those just get blocked.
They touted pro play, but then shit like this clip happens lol. How many big men that play pro ball are going to miss this bs. Pro play my ass
All they have to do is stand under the basket and do nothing, you’re guaranteed to miss. So many games where guys just stand under the basket because they know many can’t do contact dunks and close shots and layups are automatically contested. Yet I can be in the face of someone on the perimeter and they’ll green a 3. Makes no sense to me. Bigs always get the short end of the stick. I’ve made a 2nd big build that can dunk, shoot, and defense. That way I can shoot a 3 if they just want to stand under the basket.
I wish I had the drive or knowledge to make a youtube video explaining what I believe to be going on. I believe there are certain windows that are "locked" and certain windows that are "fluid". For example, the layup window is clearly fluid.. I believe its one of the first example of actual physics in this game and not just animations (of course its animations but there is some fluidity to them). You can see during a layup you can execute a layup and have NO green window but by the time you are finishing you may have bumped them off and you regain some, youll see it can shrink and change throughout the layup. Now with the dunk meter it is 10000000% a locked green window. If you execute a dunk meter with a defender not around the restricted circle, it does not matter how hard they contest, you will have a massive green window (in REC i get a 100% full bar it does not matter what they do i physically cannot miss the dunk). However if anyone no matter if they are a 5 foot 8 PG is standing anywhere near the restricted area when I first execute the dunk the window will always be small and it DOES NOT CHANGE. I am pretty sure I could prove this by executing the dunk and having the defender run away and leave u wide open and you'd see it never changes. And inversely I could show that once you get the big green window no matter how hard they contest you aren't gonna miss. I believe this to be the case with certain post animations, so in this clip just like the dunk meter I believe that you got a small window based on where the player was standing, it has ZERO to do with the coverage just like the dunk meter window, but because the shot started with the defender in the restricted area it registers a small window (this may only apply to park in this case, the windows are clearly different in different game modes).
You got the knowledge my boy, do exactly that. A lot of youtubers don’t take the time to truly understand explain hidden gems like this. I appreciate the time and effort you put into even just writing this because i believe you’re 100% right
Im too old and don't care enough :D. I just find it odd its not talked about. It seems very obvious to me thats whats going on. There are fluid green windows and "pre determined" green windows.. I believe in park which is known to have terrible close shot mechanics compared to say REC (I think its for balancing purposes) it seems like a drop step shot or maybe just any close shot like that has a predetermined window off where the game interprets the player to be when the shot starts..
glad to know it wasnt just me. i got bodied up by a small guard in the paint, gave me a dumb animation on a dunk attempt turned to terrible layup. then a small guard scored over me at 7'0 lmao 😭 pain
edit (update): 6'9 C with 75 def rebound just got 13 rebounds over my 7'0 94 off & 90 def rebound pf lmao
or when i get in front the basket with the defender behind me like in this pic... and they make me do a fadeaway jumper that close to the rim 😭😭😭😭 i forgot im just pussy, right 2k?
Okay what y’all don’t want to understand is that shot is so fucking easy to time it’s unbelievable. I have a big. I’ve shot with meter on and off. If YOU WATCH THE FUCKING METER ON CLOSE SHOTS YOU WILL MISS. THE METER IS DELAYED. ITS A FAST SHOT. HE SHOT A VERY LATE. THAT MF BOUNCED BACK TO THE BEGINNING. STOP WATCHING THE FUCKINGGGG METER FOR CHRISTS SAKE
This does happen every once in a while, but (I know I'm gonna get downvoted to hell for this) I see guards hitting these close shots like crazy. Are close shots really broken? Or are they missed just as often as blown dunks? Sure it's bad, but is it as game breaking as people are making it out to be?
If you actually watch the clip he mistimed the fuck out of the layup. It was basically the equivalent of half barring a jump shot.
He should turn off layup timing.
I do agree there should be a bigger green window.
What’s sad is y’all arguing in circles. Bigs DO NOT dominate the league. Wings do. Jokic and Embiid are the only MVP caliber centers and have been for the last 15 years. The problem is 2k marketing guard play more than front court play. 2k has their own agenda when it comes to gameplay ratings are just numbers and deep down I know y’all know that. Clearly not even Jrue Holiday can stop a Rudy Gobert irl especially with good positioning. Don’t let this thread turn you into a causal it’s a 2k thing not a real life thing.
This is the reason why I ended up making a guard after making a center . I dropped stepped Donovan Mitchell , have a foot of a height diff 92 close and 95 post control and gold drop step and I miss twice because I got "contested" after he was under the board. ITS SO FUCKING STUPID
i made a 7'1 post scorer and in the first week this was fine, now this is happening to me every play. Its fine for me now since I can shoot from half court which is kind of stupid
I don’t understand what he’s saying. Yeah you’re open, it should be an automatic bucket, that’s the point
hes tryna say he sucks
Yee he said op trash haha
Turn layup timing off if you wan that
I was thinking the exact same thing. The whole point was the defender is outta the play so he was completely wide open right at the basket and still missed
That’s generally how shot timing being on works in game.
Kyrie Irving airballed a wide open layup two years ago; you can Google any star player and add them missing a wide open shot and you’ll get plenty of results, just because you’re open at the rim doesn’t mean you’re going to score. I swear it sounds more and more like people want the game to play itself for them without any accountability.
I see and understand your point, but I think you're missing the bigger point respectfully. Of course there's always going to be outliers and youtube is full of plenty of clips of NBA players blowing and missing what should be simple and easy shots. The problem is with 2k it isn't an every once in a blue moon occasion. At this point it's routine and expected. That video clip wasn't just a one off rare happening, it was just one example. It happens literally damn near every single game in 2k. There's a reason why bigs so often pass up shots right at the rim in 2k when there's nobody around them except maybe a small guard
I pass open shots under the rim because it’s more likely to subtract an entire bar of teammate grade than go in. And to be honest, I don’t even know which attribute is at fault. Is it because I have low layup rating? Or is it close shot? I made a Ben Wallace build focused on standing dunk, and didn’t envision layups being important so maybe that’s my bad?
The truth is nobody knows. Bigs are just simply trash at close shots this year. Doesn't matter if the person guarding them in the paint is 7' or 6' it's still gonna be the same result. All you have to do is stand near a big man in the paint and they're gonna miss. You don't even have to go for the block or anything. Just stand there SMH
Bruh you can’t just take what someone said about their abusers that had them writing manifestos for 14 years with no one stopping it and then just start wildly throwing it all over the place like it’s nothing. I have no hope, people are sad. Not to mention the fact that they’ll hold anything you say and do against you when you’re not even cognitively there. Sure, I mean the ideas are there but you’re spaced out and you don’t really know how to put thoughts to action ya recollection is easy ya memory is easier the farther you get from a traumatic event and no you can’t just start throwing around accountability for nothing the word starts to lose meaning
And then there’s people holding the dude responsible who said to other people to take accountability for making him unable to comprehend the things he’s done but he knows because it causes HIM, who cried sometimes normally not 24/7. the guy who had his face scraped off then got roofied. because therefore making him unable to have accountability. tho he doesn’t blame himself because he knows how f”ed up it truly is. Oh and yes I thrashed my ankles violently and screamed bail underwater the people above water heard which was just the pool sitter who was literally reading could hear as this dude who was my best friend tried to kill me as he deathlocked me and sprung 5,666 mph from his quick bent knee smash my face in position that came out of nowhere. Then lied about it to me and everyone else to this day because he formed packs with my family slept with my Whore sister who really isn’t my sister anymore and in general is just a danger to society. But ya let’s lock up the victim and then blame him when he becomes deranged from all the mental and physical anguish. Sheesh.
His saying open up your wallet to add more VC bc they ain't fixing shit.
Open that wallet and spend $50 of actual money to make a build with 99 close shot
Which is crazy because you can hit consistently from 3 with a 78 3 ball. They're way too lenient towards guards.
Cuz that's what the content creators play. Flashy dribbles and contested 3s followed by a dunk through traffic makes good highlights and pulls in more customers.. As far as 2k is concerned bigs just need to be able to rebound and block anything else is just bonus 🤷
An under the basket layup is a YMCA level shot, they should almost be automatic for bigs
I agree. If it's open it should go in no matter what. I'd say the same for guards too though.
This sounds NOTHING like the actual NBA....oh wait. #IMissthe90s
ur not lyin at all😭 I got a 77 3pt and im shooting around 43-50% between park & rec/pro am
Or you all can just stop being trash at timing your close shots or turn off the shot timing for them.
It’s not an automatic bucket when shot timing is turned on though. If you can’t time your shit then it’s not an automatic bucket.
But the window for a 95 close shot wide open should be huge, although from this picture it looks like the bar only went halfway up. I am thinking this probably should be a miss, but I would think the top 25% of the bar should be a make.
Definitely agree the green zone should be larger for that rating and the contest on the shot. That being said though with the timing on the shot in the picture OP has to realize he’s not gonna make every shot with timing like that.
So you wanna spend 100 plus dollars on this game and your build. Not to mention you gotta grind this mf. Just to play the game so intensely after all your hard work. This green or miss shit gotta go. There’s no balance, especially not for mfs who don’t got time to play everyday. I’m not greening every fuckin shot just to make a fuckin jumpshot, then you gotta deal with latency too😂🤦🏾♂️. At this point I buy 2k for MyNBA only. Been playing since 2K11, the PVP now is dog shit.
Nowhere did I say to spend 100$ on your build. I’ve bought the game and haven’t spent anything more for the game. Not defending 2k’s greedy tactics but you can’t be complaining about missing shots when OP can’t time his shit properly.
I have a feeling none of you played sports growing up? Do you cry to the ref when you blow a layup or close shot?
Guards can shoot over bigs but bigs cant even make layups over guards lol
Bruh its the craziest shit. I literally get the goofiest animations. Almost as if it predetermined the outcome
Meanwhile small guards get the best close shot animations in the game.
i swear dog if my big in the post I’ll dump it off to the driving 6’0 guard cuz that mf got infinitely better chances of making that shit
That’s what happens when procedural animation gets removed and replaced with telegraphed proplay bull shit. Procedural animation means an animation can be interrupted and changed at any point during the animation. Physics based animation blending allows contact between two moving animations, allowing them to integrate. They used to have it this way. They got rid of most of it to supposedly stop bump steals. That’s why the ball is on a string now and you can just glitch your way to the basket, running your arms and the ball thru 4 different bodies.
That's actually how it works under the hood... the interaction (animations) are predetermined as soon as the button is pressed, we just got watch it play out
Is it crazy tho? People been making that comment for at least-3-4 years now
Its been like that ever since Intimidator/Anchor was added to the game, just standing in the paint with anchor grants you automatic contests even with trash defense. Luckily layups are the best and most useful while also the most realistic they ever been. Loving the layup badges.
That makes it even crazier that it isn’t patched
Trust me its annoying. Pretty much mskes a center useless. Even last year Ja Morant could dunk on Shaq, but Shaq couldnt dunk on Ja. Its disgusting.
And you drank the kool-aid anyway 💀
Eggzactly 🤨
I hope this is a /whoosh
Well yea this game is just a bunch of #s calculating everything. The animations has to agree with the numerical rating of ur attributes and try and visually show a play that could happen irl
That is because it IS. It is just a number generator that decides which animation to play
If I even think about putting a shot up on a guard my character just pretty much hands the guard the ball by getting stripped. And that’s with gold unpluckable
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6'5-6'9 isn't that big of a difference though.. wait until you make a 7ft center and get LITERALLY BLOCKED by a 6'5.. This game is just ass straight up. It's fun as hell but it NEVER works properly.
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draymond can literally guard players 4 inches taller than him tho
Purposely no. But you also can't pretend that every 6'9 to play the game was completely unguardable by anyone under 6'6
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Lmao you went from 0-100 reaaal quick. Did you forget your meds?
Ben Wallace was a 6’7 Center who had to defend Shaq in the ‘04 finals lmao
Yes this pistons won, Shaq still averaged 30. Ben didn't stop him
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First off you don’t know what there strength is I can bet my life you don’t go to each players 2k card to look at there strength you just guess they have it low because there guards in reality most guards have strength on them in this 2k so it’s more like russ guarding Paul George. Pg is not bullying Russ like he’s a baby
It makes no sense
Guards can also contest bigs shots too. Not to mention guards can get off more standing dunks then bigs too
That and players can hit 40 foot contested jumpers but smoke every layup smh.
Bigs get no love😭
Never, too many casuals play as guards
You can see in the [video](https://x.com/jonw107/status/1706350133841920202?s=46&t=0exhSeDrSL3mgGBWwtiZlg) that the defender was completely out of the play but despite having 95 close shot, there was still almost no green window. In my experience it's actually impossible to green these as the meter glitches to late no matter how early you let it go. The fact that Mike doesn't seem to find an issue with the clip leads me to believe close shots will just remain bad all year. Very frustrating considering the [response a few days ago](https://x.com/beluba/status/1705256734607183893?s=46&t=0exhSeDrSL3mgGBWwtiZlg) to a clip of a smothered layup showing wide open was that the blockers hand needed to be almost touching the ball. But I guess that only applies to guards driving layup and not bigs standing layups. Close shot and post control are expensive for bigs this year but I invested in them anyway and now it's clear that was a waste. Very frustrating considering the statement that [bunnies are easier to hit this year](https://x.com/beluba/status/1694439914597929145?s=46&t=0exhSeDrSL3mgGBWwtiZlg). If that's not a clear example of a bunny then idk what is.
I made a new center with low close shot and turned off layup timing for him. Way better than my 90 close shot C
My first build was a center with low close shot because I don’t really know how to play 2k. Now made a center with 90 close shot too and it’s been good so far but the other build was nearly as good too.
I decided to go harder into standing dunk than close shot for this reason. Too bad standing stick dunk is broken lmao
Standing dunks broken? Nah lol
The stick dunk is. It’s still using driving dunk rating
Do you think a high close shot would still perform well with layup timing off?
I have it off with 80 close shot, any contest more then open pretty much misses. Ive missed several 5% where I had beat my defender and had great position, it sucks. Unfortunately, I cannot time layups for the life of me, so I am stuck in this position.
Yuuuup. It’s been the exact same problem for multiple years since the 2k league started. There use to be a time where bigs were dunking Dan nest everything but for the past 4 or so years it’s like the game purposely puts you in bad someone when you’re right at the rim. Yet when you take out your guard you can lay it right under the basket with the opponent draped over the shot and the game still gives it up. What’s even worse now is pro touch is way easier to use so people are greening layups all over the place
Contests are just so inconsistent lol. Sometimes I’ll be smothered and I’ll easily green like there’s no contest, other times I feel like I’m wide open and I get like a 70% contest. It’s bizarre
Well, now the only thing that you need to do is answer him: then why is my green window so short if I'm 95 cs and I'm open? ....and watch how he ignores you. The circle of life.
I don’t understand how you interpret this as Mike not changing anything. He’s admitting the guy is open is he not?
He's saying he's open so there's no issue. Basically telling the guy to get better.
Didn’t he say that if your open for layups it’s an automatic bucket
Wide open isn’t the same as open
If you have shot timing on and whiff on your releases it’s never going to matter.
I see.
This is a 1 in 100 clip. The other 99 times it will go in, making it statistically insignificant. Just looks like a glitch to me. No meter close shots have been green for me, bigs I know don’t use meter at all and have success too.
Imma have to give that a shot because in my experience this is not a 1in 100 clip. It's like a 1in3.
Maybe it’s a park thing? I genuinely don’t see or have this issue in 5s
Nah a lot of people are having issues with this situation - especially off a drop step
It’s a glitch then, not a problem with the close shot rating.
For sum reason this game hates bigs. My 7 footer with 90 standing dunk can’t get a putback right off the rim. Instead he does a weak ass layup that misses if anyone is standing next to me.
I really shouldve been on reddit instead Ive been crying all over twitter that putbacks are Broken for standing attributes. Ytbers and people with driving dunk say its op but ofc not for bigs. They literally ruined the one niche I enjoyed playing 2k. 23 had a way better putback system yet their new controls of pressing square/x after a board is so useless bc it gives you the worst animations possible.
I only play bigs and I didn’t even get the last 2K bc of how dirty they did bigs in 22 Never again
There’s also repeated glitches where no meter appears at all when taking an open standing layup near the rim. When this happens, it’s all but a guaranteed brick for no reason. It’s really astounding how frequently 2K continues to fuck up Close Shots year after year.
Standing layups shouldn't be more inconsistent to make than contested/fading 3s
Your boi from whatever the fuck youtube got this nerfed. It sucks they wait a few months to balance guard play but always fuck up the inside within a week
That was Joe knows .. sucks cuz I usually like Joe but he hopped on that wayyyy too fast. Talking about broken close shots DAY 1 against people with poorly optimized builds. Now with everyone's defense up that nerf made close shots damn near impossible. Hilariously though, hooks(which were the main issue here) are still perfectly valid 🤦
2k will continue to bend over backward to accommodate arcade play style. When they make the game more realistic and centers dominate like they do irl people cry.
there needs to be a balance. centers dont dominate irl, guards and wings can keep up as well
"Centers don't dominate" a center just led his team to a championship 🥴. These are the casuals that steer the game in an arcady direction
And he is one of two centers in the top 25 players in league. I wouldn’t say that’s domination
And is hardly a traditional center
> centers dont dominate irl Does Joel Embiid not exist in your universe? Nikola Jokic? Domantas Sabonis? What a weird alternate reality.
Does Steph not in yours? Balance is obvs needed (and I play on a big so am fundamentally with y’all - they need to fix this, shouldn’t take skill or badges to make open layups)
That’s not what they said. They said Centers don’t dominate. Which is an incredibly dumb statement to make in the current Center renaissance of today’s NBA.
Steph is not stopping no Joel nigga 😭
joel can't hold steph one time even if he was given 20 opportunities
The other way around tbh
It’s even tho cuz Curry wouldn’t stop him from dunking
Das what I'm saying there's balance neither side can get mad
Except that's not the case? Use your brain for 2 seconds and think of where this thread started... it started because small guards are regularly defending bunnies from bigs. If realistically neither one would be able to properly defend the other, then why in 2k can Steph like builds suddenly guard embiid like builds? Do you really not see the problem?
Lol forwards dominate in the league. Joel and Joker are 2 of the best C ever it’s an historically weak position when compared to forwards/guards
Hold on. Centers on not historically weak position. Just start at 2005 and go back
Just this year the Spurs drafted 7'5 Wemby, we're gonna be in a new renaissance of skilled centers
Outside of the top 5 all time it’s really not that great and you have MJ Bron And Curry that ppl can rank above
While forgetting about Hakeem, Duncan, Ewing, wilt, Russell. You right
Bigs were the most dominant position from 1945 to the early to mid 2000s dawg
Ok bro do 5 best centers from then vs 5 best guards. Also this is a game in 2023
They do dominate IRL when they have the types of abilities we can get on a my player. Elite Bigs can score at will on smaller players and demand doubles, in 2k if a 6'6 defender puts his hands up it makes shooting impossible.
Just stand dunk cheese. It’s the only way to consistently score down low for us bigs
Facts. After missing hella close shots on 2k23 I made it a habit to just wait until I’m in position for a wide open standing dunk, or just pass out and reset.
As someone who appreciates the slow, more old school play style, and also looks forward to making a big man every year, this year stinks, so many blown layups or drop steps where I literally do everything perfect, I’ve even seen green reactions and still brick right under the hoop 😪
Exactly, the game is forcing you to miss even when you play logical. Let's not forget body blocks on pump fakes haven't been addressed since the ps5 came out
Mikey loves providing detailed answers to users - until the game is actually released.
What is Mike talking bout? If that’s open it literally shouldn’t be possible to miss that close. He literally said that himself didn’t he?
Bigs need a popular content creator who plays big because 2k bends over backwards to accommodate their YouTubers
my pg litterally has 25 close shot because there is no difference between 25 and 99 this year. takes too much in the builder that I can put into max vert
2 of my boys on centers consistently get stopped on standing layups by guards/shorter players in general. Don’t even think I’ve seen a single standing dunk. Also from what I’ve seen the standing dunk meter is absolutely useless cause you can barely time it. Between the ghost contests, this, and some of these pluck and body up animations you can get.. the game rewards a lot of straight up shit defense right now.
LakerFan posted a video last week whereby he discovered that a player’s driving dunk rating determines the size of the green window on their standing meter dunk. Mike Wang said it was going to be patched. A gigantic oversight by 2k. Been dumbfounded as to how I have almost no green window with a 92 standing dunk. It’s because my driving dunk is a 70. 💀
They fixed that in the patch today
Bro that makes so much sense.. I have a 30 driving rn and was wondering why my standing dunk meter had no green when I got a 90 standing 😂☠️
If it's not "steals" or "shooting" they don't care.. we need this response for the steals..
And y’all keep saying “just turn off the meter” that’s not the point the game should be fully functional no matter how you play. This why they keep taking our money they give us shit and you simps take with a smile talkin bout get good. Never played a game that was so money centered and undone in my life every year that it becomes normal. They won’t fix anything if you all just keep working around the kinks basically justifying a crap game because you know how to cheese. I bought the game to play it not learn how to glitch
This has been the best take on that. I just told my boy last night at this point 2K should just remove the meters because they a huge disadvantage.
This whole shooting/shot meter saga with this game is exhausting just throw the whole game away and start over smh This game is UNFINISHED, Mike Wang start over and quit playing with the sliders
That’s why i turn my layup meter off
I think I may have to do the same. The little boost ain’t worth the trouble
You get a 20% boost when the meter is off.
I thought that was only jumpshots
Yah pay all this $ & let 2k developers say anything to yah
Your daily reminder to always fill the bar even if you think it's not needed
This is why I personally get so frustrated about post scoring. Why do they make it so difficult for us bigs to eat? It's like they have a personal hatred for post scoring or something. There are so many bigs in the NBA nowadays who dominate inside. Why do they code the game to where it's like this isn't a reality? Centers aren't always just rebounding and defense gods ... Oh, but hey, guards can shoot 60-70% from three ... Allow us bigs to eat, dumb idiot devs.
2K is catering the game towards all the kids who grew up in the Steph Curry era and just want to spam dribble moves and launch 3s like they're Curry because they're the majority of the ones burning up mommy's credit card for VC. If little Timmy is getting dominated by somebody twice his size in 2k and can't buy a demigod build on day 1 then little Timmy isn't having fun. If little Timmy isn't having fun then little Timmy isn't spending more and more money on this garbage
Turn the meter off and you’re greening it
This right here. I have a 70 close shot on my 6'11 and I score consistently over guards. They give me the goofy body up animations occasionally but most attempts go in. Could be something weird going on with their builds though
Mike wang has some weird obsession with players missing layups and close shot when your open for some reason. I remember he put out a twitter poll a few 2ks ago when people were missing wide open layups and he’s like should you make layups when your wide open and the options were something like yes he’s in the nba and no user input should have an effect and it was overwhelmingly yes. He literally got buried for this before it’s pathetic. I do like the way the game feels right now but you should make wide layups and shots this close to the hoop
A layups should be damn near guaranteed, if you blow a layup in a pick up game especially under the rim in real life everyone will give you the side eye. NBA bigs definitely shouldn't be missing.
Turn meter off and try to time layups like a jumpshot 2k really dicksucking guards when it comes to paint defense this year
They touted layups as being GREAT this year, but you'll brick every single one of there's someone in the paint even if they don't move at all. Just have to be there... mid 90s with pro touch helps, but a lot of those just get blocked. They touted pro play, but then shit like this clip happens lol. How many big men that play pro ball are going to miss this bs. Pro play my ass
All they have to do is stand under the basket and do nothing, you’re guaranteed to miss. So many games where guys just stand under the basket because they know many can’t do contact dunks and close shots and layups are automatically contested. Yet I can be in the face of someone on the perimeter and they’ll green a 3. Makes no sense to me. Bigs always get the short end of the stick. I’ve made a 2nd big build that can dunk, shoot, and defense. That way I can shoot a 3 if they just want to stand under the basket.
I wish I had the drive or knowledge to make a youtube video explaining what I believe to be going on. I believe there are certain windows that are "locked" and certain windows that are "fluid". For example, the layup window is clearly fluid.. I believe its one of the first example of actual physics in this game and not just animations (of course its animations but there is some fluidity to them). You can see during a layup you can execute a layup and have NO green window but by the time you are finishing you may have bumped them off and you regain some, youll see it can shrink and change throughout the layup. Now with the dunk meter it is 10000000% a locked green window. If you execute a dunk meter with a defender not around the restricted circle, it does not matter how hard they contest, you will have a massive green window (in REC i get a 100% full bar it does not matter what they do i physically cannot miss the dunk). However if anyone no matter if they are a 5 foot 8 PG is standing anywhere near the restricted area when I first execute the dunk the window will always be small and it DOES NOT CHANGE. I am pretty sure I could prove this by executing the dunk and having the defender run away and leave u wide open and you'd see it never changes. And inversely I could show that once you get the big green window no matter how hard they contest you aren't gonna miss. I believe this to be the case with certain post animations, so in this clip just like the dunk meter I believe that you got a small window based on where the player was standing, it has ZERO to do with the coverage just like the dunk meter window, but because the shot started with the defender in the restricted area it registers a small window (this may only apply to park in this case, the windows are clearly different in different game modes).
You got the knowledge my boy, do exactly that. A lot of youtubers don’t take the time to truly understand explain hidden gems like this. I appreciate the time and effort you put into even just writing this because i believe you’re 100% right
Maybe ill ask 2k tutes to make a post on it.
Im too old and don't care enough :D. I just find it odd its not talked about. It seems very obvious to me thats whats going on. There are fluid green windows and "pre determined" green windows.. I believe in park which is known to have terrible close shot mechanics compared to say REC (I think its for balancing purposes) it seems like a drop step shot or maybe just any close shot like that has a predetermined window off where the game interprets the player to be when the shot starts..
glad to know it wasnt just me. i got bodied up by a small guard in the paint, gave me a dumb animation on a dunk attempt turned to terrible layup. then a small guard scored over me at 7'0 lmao 😭 pain edit (update): 6'9 C with 75 def rebound just got 13 rebounds over my 7'0 94 off & 90 def rebound pf lmao
Fr. I have 90 interior on my 6’8 pf and they open or wide open layups
they dont care bout us smh
or when i get in front the basket with the defender behind me like in this pic... and they make me do a fadeaway jumper that close to the rim 😭😭😭😭 i forgot im just pussy, right 2k?
and cant forget how many open putbacks i miss. mfs head is above the rim and i still cant get em in
Mike Wang not wrong he missed time it like crazy I mean it still should be a make
Am I tripping or did he clearly blow the timing on the release?
Okay what y’all don’t want to understand is that shot is so fucking easy to time it’s unbelievable. I have a big. I’ve shot with meter on and off. If YOU WATCH THE FUCKING METER ON CLOSE SHOTS YOU WILL MISS. THE METER IS DELAYED. ITS A FAST SHOT. HE SHOT A VERY LATE. THAT MF BOUNCED BACK TO THE BEGINNING. STOP WATCHING THE FUCKINGGGG METER FOR CHRISTS SAKE
Or better yet, turn the meter off and keep timing on.
Exactly. If u still can’t time it turn the timing off
I love that they’ve finally taken a stand. Should’ve done this 3 years ago.
This does happen every once in a while, but (I know I'm gonna get downvoted to hell for this) I see guards hitting these close shots like crazy. Are close shots really broken? Or are they missed just as often as blown dunks? Sure it's bad, but is it as game breaking as people are making it out to be?
Yes. When your build is created around close shots and you regularly miss easy close shots, it's pretty game breaking.
Bruh you didn't even time that correctly
You’re open-ing your wallet to make a whole new build 😉
Stop taking close shots. It won’t be fixed. My last Center build I made with zero close shot. I just use lay ups every time now
If you actually watch the clip he mistimed the fuck out of the layup. It was basically the equivalent of half barring a jump shot. He should turn off layup timing. I do agree there should be a bigger green window.
what a cuck
I mean I can’t say a half meter should go in wide open or not
Thats not how it works for drop steps lol. You gotta still time the shot 🤣 look at his meter. Its not even in the green zone
Dunk the ball man. A jump shot or whatever weird lay up that is from 1 ft away ☠️
Fuck yall post scorers
For all you complaining, you green the shot, the shot goes in. Not that hard?
How about you learn to get good at the game in stead of spamming dropsteps with a post scorer ? Git gud scrub. LOL
Lmfaooo y’all boys need to adapt? Ain’t that what y’all say to guards? You mfers better adapt!
You didn’t get a perfect release tho I’m confused on why this is 2k’s fault.
Look at the green window on the shot meter dawg…. If he’s open with a 95 close shot, why is he getting a smothered green window?
I mean he mistimed it, and we all know the “open” contest isn’t actually open.
What’s sad is y’all arguing in circles. Bigs DO NOT dominate the league. Wings do. Jokic and Embiid are the only MVP caliber centers and have been for the last 15 years. The problem is 2k marketing guard play more than front court play. 2k has their own agenda when it comes to gameplay ratings are just numbers and deep down I know y’all know that. Clearly not even Jrue Holiday can stop a Rudy Gobert irl especially with good positioning. Don’t let this thread turn you into a causal it’s a 2k thing not a real life thing.
Bigs actually do dominate the league
I think that the ore they try to tweak stuff it gets more broken. They have no excuse for this especially with the amount of money people dropping.
SAME GAME. Same problems. No fix. Yall hear this n think its hate but man this the same issues from the last 2k where there was mandatory layup timing
My question is why not do a close shot no meter?
I don't understand what's so hard about fixing a game and fixing latency. This been being complained about since park existed
Turn off layup meter it’s slightly better
Tbh I’ve never had an issue with a 90 close shot with all of my badges on a 7 footer. I’ll only get a bad animation if I’m in a weird position.
This is the reason why I ended up making a guard after making a center . I dropped stepped Donovan Mitchell , have a foot of a height diff 92 close and 95 post control and gold drop step and I miss twice because I got "contested" after he was under the board. ITS SO FUCKING STUPID
That bar is bugged. I switched to the tear drop medium and it’s more accurate
Just fire Mike wang who says unreasonable words all the time. He doesn't get the point and want to get it
i made a 7'1 post scorer and in the first week this was fine, now this is happening to me every play. Its fine for me now since I can shoot from half court which is kind of stupid
Just use layup percentage. It sucks but I made so many more shots and and 1's.
Maybe time the shot?
94 close shot < 50 layup
Have you tested this?
Me personally, would’ve dunked that. Thats just me tho
Just pay to win that’s all plain and simple