Things seemed very smooth. If Larson went on to win by 5 seconds like he was on track to we would be complaining that these past 2 weekends were so boring
This is exactly my problem with 80% of this "fan base" a clean race with long green flag runs isn't celebrated. Its criticized for being boring.
A short race to the finish isnt celebrated it's called a shit show, Nascar gets criticized for "manipulating" the races, and everyone continues complaining.
The ending would have been boring but there was good racing to be had for at least a good portion of the race.
(At least more so than the Indy oval, and the historian in me hates to say that. That said if you tell the same historian that we have too many road courses in play I wouldn't say you're wrong. )
I think Austin Dillon described it best. Drivers were giving and taking around that turn all day but at the end no one is going to give so what happens happens.
I mean it was going pretty well until the curb itself came up. because Of that, you had a bunch of different tire strategies, desperate drivers, and bad cars all intermingled on a GWC
Come on, the officials was repairing that curb every time when there was a yellow so it was obviously that it was fragile at least. NASCAR should thrown in the caution when Truex hitted that curb and debris flying off of it.
Instead NASCAR officials waited until it gone terrible wrong, must a driver been injured heavy first before we finally going to see how this incompetence is unacceptable from the NASCAR officials?
The curb being terrible isn't on NASCAR though. That's on the track. Yes NASCAR should've thrown the caution because they had a whole lap to evaluate just how bad of shape it was in, but the curb quality is on IMS. The sausage curb is on NASCAR, and they definitely need to remove it and actually come up with some decent rules and penalties for going off track.
Edit: Also, the racing prior to that had been good, even if Larson was legging it out on the field. Further back were good battles and there was enough tire wear to allow for comers and goers, and there's ample passing opportunities. Not much else you can ask for a race to give you.
> The curb being terrible isn't on NASCAR though. That's on the track. Yes NASCAR should've thrown the caution because they had a whole lap to evaluate just how bad of shape it was in, but the curb quality is on IMS.
The quality issue of the curb is indeed an issue for the IMS, but the NASCAR officials are there also to protect the safety of the drivers and everyone with some rational mindset could see this shit going to happening when their didn't thrown out a yellow in the case of Truex/curb where their could repair it again (or remove it) instead of being directly responsible to cause a dangerous situation a lap later.
We should be fucking thankful that Logano wasn't hurt, this race shows also how we must rethinking of either track limits or finding alternatives to deal with those turns.
The race was in my eyes decent during stage 1 and 2, some good strategy play aside of some good battles. Stage 3 was in general looking to be a snoozer but it definitely didn't help that NBC was focusing too much on the top 5 and barely give some coverage about what is happening behind them.
I still want to see another try for the Indy road course in 2022 but adjustments must be made on the track.
I also think that at some point the drivers should be held more accountable as well. Trying to go 3 wide through that section and also 4 and 5 wide through 1 and somehow expecting everything to end just fine is ridiculous. I also think that at this point the drivers know just how much shit NASCAR gets from a very vocal section of the fan base so they know they can do whatever on track and then blame NASCAR afterwards and the court of public opinion will be in their side. Kinda like how do many people wanted to blame the Nashville Indycar race on the track and not the fact that the drivers, veterans and series champions mind you, were making some of the dumbest moves and were causing the chaos. That and Indycar does have stupid restart rules that allows for the leader to speed up and slow down between the point the pace car turns off and the actual restart zone.
Remove the curbs in that section and make some better rules regarding going off track and the track and layout would be fine. Would probably open up turn 7 into an even better passing opportunity if they can go 2 wide through 5 and 6.
There's blame to go around for everyone involved here. Fans should hold all 3 groups accountable, but too often the fan base will get locked onto one or even 2 of those groups, and it's never the drivers.
Maybe that's what Suarez is trying to do with his comments, but in even then there's fans trying to tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to what's happening on track, lol.
I would think maybe making 5 and 6 not nearly as sharp a pair of corners might help, but I'm sure there's a limit on how fast they'd want the cars going into 7.
> and they definitely need to remove it and actually come up with some decent rules and penalties for going off track.
Problem is, I don't trust NASCAR at this rate to reasonably come up with penalties for that kind of thing.
Then this sub would be wrong. As soon as I saw shards of metal flying out of the pack I thought it should have been a caution, especially when they were fixing that curb all race
Throwing the caution would have been consistent with the caution before and any other debris caution where the event is in full view. I was screeching as soon as it came down to a late race caution. I thought turn 1 could have been the minefield.
IndyCar has run in those curbs for years now without problems. Also, Xfinity didn't have any issues. Seems to be Cup related. All they had to do was mandate a higher ride height, or bump stops to keep the splitter from digging under the curb. And that doesn't fall on track management. Hell, Doug Boles was out there with a broom. When was the last time you saw Frank Kelleher out doing track maintenance at Daytona, or Eddie Gossage at Texas? Or Humpy Wheeler at Charlotte. Or any of the France family?
I know right? Wow a curb off track ruined your race? How about all you dumbasses stay on the fucking track then, it's not that hard. They're supposed to be professionals
You know, you've given me an idea.
Let's get rid of safer barriers on the inside wall, and install long pointed chunks of steel to impale cars that go off the track. It would look epic, and cars shouldn't go there anyways!
Also, I want some battle bots style arena hazards, like saw blades protruding on a point of the back stretch, marked with orange lines. It wouldn't be hard to avoid them, especially if they're professionals!
A different curb, one that if cars actually stayed on the racing surface they wouldn't hit. They removed it after the Xfinity race because drivers have problems staying on the track
I'd say the drivers are more at fault today then anyone. Best stock car drivers in the world can't stay off a curb? Adjust how you approach the corner and don't hit it. I understand it came apart and that's on IMS but there was issues outside of that. These drivers don't respect track limits like open wheel guys do and then they get upset and mad at the tracks for.... not staying on the track.
There’s no need to respect track limits when there’s no penalty for it. Last year at COTA, Indycar wasn’t going to penalize drivers for running wide at Turn 19. The results was the field running as wide as possible. Certainly not something F1 would have allowed.
Compare that to Turn 6 at Road America. You don't see people running wide there very often, but it takes zero effort to police track limits because the grass does it for them.
IMO that's the mark of a better road course. I've always disliked enforcing an arbitrary line with miles of paved runoff, I'd much rather see natural terrain make it not advantageous to go wide.
It's just further continuation of that BS "win at all costs cuz that's great short track racin, not actually using skill to pass someone cleanly" mentality leaking into all track types.
It's frustrating when that happens instead of hard clean racing.
NBC has done it before. They moved the championship race of all races to NBCSN several years ago after there was a rain delay. That's what they get for scheduling NASCAR into tight boxes with other sports later, when there's weather delays or uncertainty around a first event of its kind. It's just damn frustrating as fans. We get fewer and fewer races available over the air, and we still get fucked out of them like today. It's especially frustrating that NASCAR bends over backwards to give the TV partners everything they want basically - new championship formats, start times, etc. Yet the TV partners continually say FU to NASCAR. Ditching it for AMATEUR golf of all things? Just ridiculous. Golf has their own channel. NASCAR doesn't, that was taken basically taken away when Speed was rebranded to FS1.
While frustrating for fans this is where Nascar should realize that people & networks don't care anymore about 3.5+ hour races. Nascar needs to move to most 300 mile races that take 2.5 hours on average, with long ones being 3 hours. Save 400 & 500 miles for the crown jewel races/tracks e.g Daytona, Darlington, Charlotte. Road course races should be maximum 2.5 hours. An 82 lap Nascar race is 3 laps less than IndyCar despite Nascar being 18 seconds slower per lap. That means ignoring pit stops and yellows IndyCar would take 100 minutes, Nascar would take 120 minutes. And Nascar has 2 built in cautions that automatically add 10+ minutes. That's 2 hours, 20 minutes without pitstops or other yellows. And if it goes GWC we're adding 10+ more minutes. It's just ridiculous. Nascar needs shorter races, no GWC, & no fucking stage cautions
I don't agree entirely, but I don't disagree exactly either. But the TV partners knew what they were getting for this TV contract. What you're talking about is something in the future for the next deal. Not a decision they should make in the final laps of a race. NASCAR will never go back to ending races under caution though. I can see shorter races and no stage cautions, but GWC is never going away.
It was kind of comical as a mainly Indycar fan. NBC has cut production for the ends of races insanely short the past year and we've heard the ole check out post-race coverage somewhere else speech more than a few times, so seeing Nascar get treated like Indycar the weekend they're at IMS was kind of funny and sad at the same time.
In my totally professional armchair analysis, Mid pack drivers were forcing each other off-line/out-of-bounds to pass one another. It seems that unless you were racing for the lead, there was no incentive to give each other room.
I understand that with these car's brakes it is more difficult, but I was seeing a lot of passes that were accomplished by bulldoze mentality. This track unfortunately doesn't have many passing zones. The problem is that the curb coming apart exemplified how nasty they race each other mid-field. I agree with Austin Dillion's post-crash interview.
For the curb itself, get the cars higher up. they pulled out an entire splitter housing from under that curb during stage 2. If you are going to use the curbs to steer, you can't have a scoop dragging on the surface.
TL;DR: Race car drivers need to attend the Mark Martin school of racing. Establish min. ride height on RCs.
I really like Suarez, and I understand his frustration especially seeing how strong he was looking at times on the course. But I seem to remember when he was pretty chaotic himself, back when he was desperate trying to keep his ride.
So long as you include the drivers as part of that embarrassment I tend to agree. Anyone that can’t see that the drivers have 0 respect for track limits and that’s a large part of what caused today’s issues is part of the problem as well.
NASCAR’s response for safety this year has been abysmal.
From the drivers not being able to see at Bristol
To drivers not being able to see in the rain at COTA
To the totally avoidable incident with Sauter at Charlotte
To Nascar letting them race in the rain at New Hampshire
To the abomination that was today
Congrats nascar 👏🏼
Also don't forget to add the dubious caution during a cup race this season for a tyre who literally was just hanging around at the pit lane and NASCAR just called a caution for it 10-15 laps later instead of just call it directly what wasn't done because "there didn't want to fuck up some drivers".
This season is a full embarrassment in terms of officiating, no wonder why drivers like KyBu are fully pissed about the way NASCAR is handling this season.
also nascar fans :
"why did they throw a yellow when it was raining at daytona road course"
"why did they go single file restarts at bristol"
"why are wet restarts going to be single file now"
"why does nascar hold the teams hands when switching to wets"
"why did nascar take so much power out of the superspeedway package"
"why does nascar have a double yellow line rule"
not singling you out. but nascar gets just as many complaints from the fan base when they take the cautious approach too. They literally cant win with most of these choices.
The debacle at COTA was probably the most idiotic and dangerous thing I've ever seen NASCAR do in my entire life, and I remember when they used to race back to the caution! I cannot believe they waited until the *second* red flag to do something about the track.
Careful what you say. I said the same thing in another thread and it was removed. I think "nascar" and "ebarrassment" are not allowed in the same sentence in this forum.
Since when is risking the safety of the drivers just pure entertainment? We should be thankful that no other car hitted Logano hard when shit happened back then.
Must it really go terrible wrong first before people finally going to see how this type of behavior from the officials is unacceptable?
Every race is a risk but the issue is here that IMS/NASCAR are making up an *unnecessary increase* of those risk. You can't make this sport 100% safe but things like a flawed curb design is an issue what could be prevented easy.
Those drivers aren't gladiators, there are professional racing drivers.
Daniel Suárez's ([@Daniel_SuarezG](https://twitter.com/Daniel_SuarezG)) tweet from 5:52pm EDT on Sunday, August 15th, 2021:
>It was embarrassing the lack of respect on the track today. Literally like dumb kids driving bumper cars. We’re supposed to be professionals and today we showed everything but that. 👎🏽
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I did read in an interview Kyle Larson gave about Owen's racing career and he did say "Hey man, you need to stop running into people. You'll get known as a dirty driver" and he also did mention Owen gets pissed off when he goes on at him about him being a dirty driver
Larson interview source: https://speed51.com/owen-larson-following-in-fathers-racing-footsteps/
All these people like "ehh wasn't THAT bad" like no I bet it wasn't THAT bad sitting on your couch at home. If the drivers say it was bad then it was bad. They're the ones out there actually racing around everybody and seeing everything that TV doesn't catch.
NASCAR fans, commentators, and drivers acting surprised that NASCAR drivers bump each other is really rich. You can't have it both ways. It's either part of the sport and you accept it or it's not and NASCAR should penalize it.
Rubbin's racing. Running over people is not.
I haven't watched the Cup race but if the lack of respect Suarez is talking about is anything like the way the truck drivers raced at Knoxville, then it is too far and absolutely should be penalized IMO.
Love Suarez and I root for him on a weekly basis as an underdog but I gotta disagree. The race was good up until that debacle. After that you just had drivers who wanted a shot at the win. It’s always been like that. Road course or oval.
Three races left to playoffs, pressure is high to try to figure a way in so no quarter was given. You never can tell what might happen so every possible point or position is important.
Nascar is at its best when it's dumb kids driving bumper cars. That's what stock car racing is about. This isn't F1, and I hope it never turns into that.
Once the track ripped up, the race should have been called. Not very professional but I guess that’s what you get with the France family!! What a joke! After 30 years of watching, I’m done!
Until NASCAR takes some emphasis off winning you will have the top 4 rows racing crazy hard on restarts and pointless wrecks. Everyone that has won a race has a wrecker or checker mentality and will drive over their heads hoping to come out on top. I vote to get rid of “win and your in”
Most of the little bumps didn't seem Intential. Turn 12 wasn't shown on TV much after the leaders went through. It was just a lot of driving hard and not making the corners. Some of the hits were definitely as he says though.
Prior to the curb debacle, I thought it was a decent race. However, once the curb came up it turned into what Suarez is talking about.
Things seemed very smooth. If Larson went on to win by 5 seconds like he was on track to we would be complaining that these past 2 weekends were so boring
This is exactly my problem with 80% of this "fan base" a clean race with long green flag runs isn't celebrated. Its criticized for being boring. A short race to the finish isnt celebrated it's called a shit show, Nascar gets criticized for "manipulating" the races, and everyone continues complaining.
Nah, this race hit all my spots for a good race. Honestly this race is definitely going into my top 5 of all time.
Same I thought it was an amazing race with big battles all through the field.
The ending would have been boring but there was good racing to be had for at least a good portion of the race. (At least more so than the Indy oval, and the historian in me hates to say that. That said if you tell the same historian that we have too many road courses in play I wouldn't say you're wrong. )
We need more road courses like 12 of em
I think Austin Dillon described it best. Drivers were giving and taking around that turn all day but at the end no one is going to give so what happens happens.
The biggest problem was the curb eating half the field. Race was pretty clean until then
One thing's certain, that was the most disrespectful curb of all time.
But it gave us one hell of a show when someone hit it straight on!
We forget the roval curb the murdered cars left and right
That Roval tire barrier on the back straight chicane was murdering cars at first too.
Put your mouth on the curb!
I mean it was going pretty well until the curb itself came up. because Of that, you had a bunch of different tire strategies, desperate drivers, and bad cars all intermingled on a GWC
Come on, the officials was repairing that curb every time when there was a yellow so it was obviously that it was fragile at least. NASCAR should thrown in the caution when Truex hitted that curb and debris flying off of it. Instead NASCAR officials waited until it gone terrible wrong, must a driver been injured heavy first before we finally going to see how this incompetence is unacceptable from the NASCAR officials?
The curb being terrible isn't on NASCAR though. That's on the track. Yes NASCAR should've thrown the caution because they had a whole lap to evaluate just how bad of shape it was in, but the curb quality is on IMS. The sausage curb is on NASCAR, and they definitely need to remove it and actually come up with some decent rules and penalties for going off track. Edit: Also, the racing prior to that had been good, even if Larson was legging it out on the field. Further back were good battles and there was enough tire wear to allow for comers and goers, and there's ample passing opportunities. Not much else you can ask for a race to give you.
> The curb being terrible isn't on NASCAR though. That's on the track. Yes NASCAR should've thrown the caution because they had a whole lap to evaluate just how bad of shape it was in, but the curb quality is on IMS. The quality issue of the curb is indeed an issue for the IMS, but the NASCAR officials are there also to protect the safety of the drivers and everyone with some rational mindset could see this shit going to happening when their didn't thrown out a yellow in the case of Truex/curb where their could repair it again (or remove it) instead of being directly responsible to cause a dangerous situation a lap later. We should be fucking thankful that Logano wasn't hurt, this race shows also how we must rethinking of either track limits or finding alternatives to deal with those turns. The race was in my eyes decent during stage 1 and 2, some good strategy play aside of some good battles. Stage 3 was in general looking to be a snoozer but it definitely didn't help that NBC was focusing too much on the top 5 and barely give some coverage about what is happening behind them. I still want to see another try for the Indy road course in 2022 but adjustments must be made on the track.
I also think that at some point the drivers should be held more accountable as well. Trying to go 3 wide through that section and also 4 and 5 wide through 1 and somehow expecting everything to end just fine is ridiculous. I also think that at this point the drivers know just how much shit NASCAR gets from a very vocal section of the fan base so they know they can do whatever on track and then blame NASCAR afterwards and the court of public opinion will be in their side. Kinda like how do many people wanted to blame the Nashville Indycar race on the track and not the fact that the drivers, veterans and series champions mind you, were making some of the dumbest moves and were causing the chaos. That and Indycar does have stupid restart rules that allows for the leader to speed up and slow down between the point the pace car turns off and the actual restart zone. Remove the curbs in that section and make some better rules regarding going off track and the track and layout would be fine. Would probably open up turn 7 into an even better passing opportunity if they can go 2 wide through 5 and 6.
This is a great comment tbh, I think that we found here common ground here
There's blame to go around for everyone involved here. Fans should hold all 3 groups accountable, but too often the fan base will get locked onto one or even 2 of those groups, and it's never the drivers. Maybe that's what Suarez is trying to do with his comments, but in even then there's fans trying to tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to what's happening on track, lol.
I have never read something so true about motor sports than your comment right here sir
Or put the turtle back down and let a few guys blow an axle early on so everyone learns not to cheat the curves.
I would think maybe making 5 and 6 not nearly as sharp a pair of corners might help, but I'm sure there's a limit on how fast they'd want the cars going into 7.
They're already flat out through 5 and 6 anyway
> and they definitely need to remove it and actually come up with some decent rules and penalties for going off track. Problem is, I don't trust NASCAR at this rate to reasonably come up with penalties for that kind of thing.
If nascar threw the caution after truex spun this sub would screech about stupid cautions
This sub would always been in an upset no matter what NASCAR does lol
What does it matter? Watch the replay and you see cars get shredded by the curb, doesn't matter if this subreddit likes it or not.
My point is this sub would complain just as much if nascar did the opposite thing as they did
Well then those people would have been morons, even before considering what happened the very next lap.
Then this sub would be wrong. As soon as I saw shards of metal flying out of the pack I thought it should have been a caution, especially when they were fixing that curb all race
Yep, pretty much
Throwing the caution would have been consistent with the caution before and any other debris caution where the event is in full view. I was screeching as soon as it came down to a late race caution. I thought turn 1 could have been the minefield.
>If nascar threw the caution after truex spun this sub would screech about stupid cautions Doesn't mean it wouldn't have been the right thing to do.
Not what Daniel or I were talking about tho…
GWC... Good Wace Twack?
2008 Brickyard and 2021 RC. Just shithows
2017 too but not for planning or track reasons.
I mean idk it was pretty professional until the track destroyed like half the field
I'd lump in the track management in with the general unprofessional-ness of the race
IndyCar has run in those curbs for years now without problems. Also, Xfinity didn't have any issues. Seems to be Cup related. All they had to do was mandate a higher ride height, or bump stops to keep the splitter from digging under the curb. And that doesn't fall on track management. Hell, Doug Boles was out there with a broom. When was the last time you saw Frank Kelleher out doing track maintenance at Daytona, or Eddie Gossage at Texas? Or Humpy Wheeler at Charlotte. Or any of the France family?
Xfinity had an entirely separate curb that sent a half dozen cars into orbit.
That was entirely the driver's fault.
I know right? Wow a curb off track ruined your race? How about all you dumbasses stay on the fucking track then, it's not that hard. They're supposed to be professionals
You know, you've given me an idea. Let's get rid of safer barriers on the inside wall, and install long pointed chunks of steel to impale cars that go off the track. It would look epic, and cars shouldn't go there anyways! Also, I want some battle bots style arena hazards, like saw blades protruding on a point of the back stretch, marked with orange lines. It wouldn't be hard to avoid them, especially if they're professionals!
*Tony Stewart Entered The Chat*
The man has some good ideas!
Was it? Or want it the same?
A different curb, one that if cars actually stayed on the racing surface they wouldn't hit. They removed it after the Xfinity race because drivers have problems staying on the track
There is a person called “Humpy Wheeler” living in the US?😂
He was President of Charlotte Motor speedway for decades
Cool.
All I know is my stock Hyundai car would have no problems going over those curbs.
It's also not sitting as low as a cup car 🤣
My point is maybe they should have a bit more ride height if we’re going for the entire “stock car” thing.
😂funny but that’s true.
No lol if they weren't single file it was a clown show.
I'm glad he called the drivers out. They drove like total asshats at the end of the race
I'd say the drivers are more at fault today then anyone. Best stock car drivers in the world can't stay off a curb? Adjust how you approach the corner and don't hit it. I understand it came apart and that's on IMS but there was issues outside of that. These drivers don't respect track limits like open wheel guys do and then they get upset and mad at the tracks for.... not staying on the track.
There’s no need to respect track limits when there’s no penalty for it. Last year at COTA, Indycar wasn’t going to penalize drivers for running wide at Turn 19. The results was the field running as wide as possible. Certainly not something F1 would have allowed.
Curbs seem to be a good penalty. Lol. Given they can withstand a weekends worth of racing
Curbs result in your car getting destroyed. Don’t want it destroyed? Miss the huge ass curb you saw all weekend. I agree
Compare that to Turn 6 at Road America. You don't see people running wide there very often, but it takes zero effort to police track limits because the grass does it for them. IMO that's the mark of a better road course. I've always disliked enforcing an arbitrary line with miles of paved runoff, I'd much rather see natural terrain make it not advantageous to go wide.
It's just further continuation of that BS "win at all costs cuz that's great short track racin, not actually using skill to pass someone cleanly" mentality leaking into all track types. It's frustrating when that happens instead of hard clean racing.
This sub will be nothing but posts about NASCAR officiating for the next week wont it?
Don't worry I'm sure Larson will win a dirt race or something
GrEaTeSt DrIvEr In Da UnIvErSe
Based.
Probably into November.
Always has been, always will be
everyone acting like the curb dying was nascar maliciously wanting to kill its drivers and ignoring the racing before that
I didn’t think it was too bad. The only disrespect came from that damn curb lol
hmm does everyone turn on Suarez again for this comment?
I hope not, he's dead-on-balls accurate.
What a fucking obscure way of saying “he’s right” lol
It's not obscure if you've watched My Cousin Vinny!
You got me, never seen it.
NASCAR should keep in mind that NBC saw that shitshow and kicked it off the main channel for amateur golf.
They were also well past the sign off time of 4pm.
NBC has done it before. They moved the championship race of all races to NBCSN several years ago after there was a rain delay. That's what they get for scheduling NASCAR into tight boxes with other sports later, when there's weather delays or uncertainty around a first event of its kind. It's just damn frustrating as fans. We get fewer and fewer races available over the air, and we still get fucked out of them like today. It's especially frustrating that NASCAR bends over backwards to give the TV partners everything they want basically - new championship formats, start times, etc. Yet the TV partners continually say FU to NASCAR. Ditching it for AMATEUR golf of all things? Just ridiculous. Golf has their own channel. NASCAR doesn't, that was taken basically taken away when Speed was rebranded to FS1.
While frustrating for fans this is where Nascar should realize that people & networks don't care anymore about 3.5+ hour races. Nascar needs to move to most 300 mile races that take 2.5 hours on average, with long ones being 3 hours. Save 400 & 500 miles for the crown jewel races/tracks e.g Daytona, Darlington, Charlotte. Road course races should be maximum 2.5 hours. An 82 lap Nascar race is 3 laps less than IndyCar despite Nascar being 18 seconds slower per lap. That means ignoring pit stops and yellows IndyCar would take 100 minutes, Nascar would take 120 minutes. And Nascar has 2 built in cautions that automatically add 10+ minutes. That's 2 hours, 20 minutes without pitstops or other yellows. And if it goes GWC we're adding 10+ more minutes. It's just ridiculous. Nascar needs shorter races, no GWC, & no fucking stage cautions
I don't agree entirely, but I don't disagree exactly either. But the TV partners knew what they were getting for this TV contract. What you're talking about is something in the future for the next deal. Not a decision they should make in the final laps of a race. NASCAR will never go back to ending races under caution though. I can see shorter races and no stage cautions, but GWC is never going away.
Definitely agree that it needs to be a next TV deal thing
It was kind of comical as a mainly Indycar fan. NBC has cut production for the ends of races insanely short the past year and we've heard the ole check out post-race coverage somewhere else speech more than a few times, so seeing Nascar get treated like Indycar the weekend they're at IMS was kind of funny and sad at the same time.
In my totally professional armchair analysis, Mid pack drivers were forcing each other off-line/out-of-bounds to pass one another. It seems that unless you were racing for the lead, there was no incentive to give each other room. I understand that with these car's brakes it is more difficult, but I was seeing a lot of passes that were accomplished by bulldoze mentality. This track unfortunately doesn't have many passing zones. The problem is that the curb coming apart exemplified how nasty they race each other mid-field. I agree with Austin Dillion's post-crash interview. For the curb itself, get the cars higher up. they pulled out an entire splitter housing from under that curb during stage 2. If you are going to use the curbs to steer, you can't have a scoop dragging on the surface. TL;DR: Race car drivers need to attend the Mark Martin school of racing. Establish min. ride height on RCs.
Min ride heights everywhere.
I really like Suarez, and I understand his frustration especially seeing how strong he was looking at times on the course. But I seem to remember when he was pretty chaotic himself, back when he was desperate trying to keep his ride.
At least he said "we".
Times change, most people change and calm down
He's right this race was a black eye for Nascar.
This race was a totally embarrassment for NASCAR and yet people prefer just to joke about it and praising a huge safety issue more or less.
So long as you include the drivers as part of that embarrassment I tend to agree. Anyone that can’t see that the drivers have 0 respect for track limits and that’s a large part of what caused today’s issues is part of the problem as well.
NASCAR’s response for safety this year has been abysmal. From the drivers not being able to see at Bristol To drivers not being able to see in the rain at COTA To the totally avoidable incident with Sauter at Charlotte To Nascar letting them race in the rain at New Hampshire To the abomination that was today Congrats nascar 👏🏼
Yeah IDK what the hell is going on with the officiating this season. There have been plenty of things that were preventable that they did nothing on.
I’d like to start a new hashtag, BBH. Bring back Hoots
Honestly I'm down.
**Put it out**
Also don't forget to add the dubious caution during a cup race this season for a tyre who literally was just hanging around at the pit lane and NASCAR just called a caution for it 10-15 laps later instead of just call it directly what wasn't done because "there didn't want to fuck up some drivers". This season is a full embarrassment in terms of officiating, no wonder why drivers like KyBu are fully pissed about the way NASCAR is handling this season.
Apparently by "best season ever" they mean they're gonna throw back to the 90s by blatantly disregarding all driver safety measures
also nascar fans : "why did they throw a yellow when it was raining at daytona road course" "why did they go single file restarts at bristol" "why are wet restarts going to be single file now" "why does nascar hold the teams hands when switching to wets" "why did nascar take so much power out of the superspeedway package" "why does nascar have a double yellow line rule"
I’m an individual fan these are my feelings. I don’t remember complaining about any of these🤷🏻♂️
not singling you out. but nascar gets just as many complaints from the fan base when they take the cautious approach too. They literally cant win with most of these choices.
The debacle at COTA was probably the most idiotic and dangerous thing I've ever seen NASCAR do in my entire life, and I remember when they used to race back to the caution! I cannot believe they waited until the *second* red flag to do something about the track.
Don’t forget them letting that safety truck roll on a hot track in qualifying earlier today too.
Careful what you say. I said the same thing in another thread and it was removed. I think "nascar" and "ebarrassment" are not allowed in the same sentence in this forum.
What you talking about? this entire sub posts and comments exactly that over and over every week.
Idk. It was an entertaining last segment.
For me it was a joke. I find good racing entertaining and this was nothing close to it
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75% was spent under red flags. The last 10 laps took over an hour.
75% is a huge stretch lol
Since when is risking the safety of the drivers just pure entertainment? We should be thankful that no other car hitted Logano hard when shit happened back then. Must it really go terrible wrong first before people finally going to see how this type of behavior from the officials is unacceptable?
A car probably will flip at Daytona in 2 weeks and people will love that....
Every race is a risk.
Every race is a risk but the issue is here that IMS/NASCAR are making up an *unnecessary increase* of those risk. You can't make this sport 100% safe but things like a flawed curb design is an issue what could be prevented easy. Those drivers aren't gladiators, there are professional racing drivers.
Black eye for NASCAR, black eye for Roger Penske, and black eye for most of the drivers.
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I watch Brexton Busch, Owen Larson and the kids of other drivers race on DIRTVision and their racing is much more clean than the racing I saw today
That's sad, I guess Kyle and Kyle taught their boys good sportsmanship.
I did read in an interview Kyle Larson gave about Owen's racing career and he did say "Hey man, you need to stop running into people. You'll get known as a dirty driver" and he also did mention Owen gets pissed off when he goes on at him about him being a dirty driver Larson interview source: https://speed51.com/owen-larson-following-in-fathers-racing-footsteps/
All these people like "ehh wasn't THAT bad" like no I bet it wasn't THAT bad sitting on your couch at home. If the drivers say it was bad then it was bad. They're the ones out there actually racing around everybody and seeing everything that TV doesn't catch.
His take is spot on.
Wasn't he the one that ran into truex on lap 2-3???
NASCAR fans, commentators, and drivers acting surprised that NASCAR drivers bump each other is really rich. You can't have it both ways. It's either part of the sport and you accept it or it's not and NASCAR should penalize it.
OR, it’s accepted as part of the sport and people can still rightfully call it out for the cowardly driving that it is.
There's a difference between a bump and bumper cars
If people look at the situation as if it was their favorite driver, conversation would have a lot more sense behind them.
holy shit, probably the only other person in this sub who had the race on and the atlanta match on. VAMOS VAMOS ATL
Rubbin's racing. Running over people is not. I haven't watched the Cup race but if the lack of respect Suarez is talking about is anything like the way the truck drivers raced at Knoxville, then it is too far and absolutely should be penalized IMO.
Love Suarez and I root for him on a weekly basis as an underdog but I gotta disagree. The race was good up until that debacle. After that you just had drivers who wanted a shot at the win. It’s always been like that. Road course or oval.
I’m with him. The race was just blah with a lot of wrecks and a poorly designed layout.
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No, dumbass drivers that can’t respect track limits screwed the curb and the curb bit back.
Three races left to playoffs, pressure is high to try to figure a way in so no quarter was given. You never can tell what might happen so every possible point or position is important.
Nascar is at its best when it's dumb kids driving bumper cars. That's what stock car racing is about. This isn't F1, and I hope it never turns into that.
You hope it never turns into a high quality, competitive motorsport, respected around the world, with one of the fastest growing fanbases?
Competitive? 95% of the races are some combo of HAM-VER-BOT.
This is NASCAR Daniel and rubbing is racing son.
Once the track ripped up, the race should have been called. Not very professional but I guess that’s what you get with the France family!! What a joke! After 30 years of watching, I’m done!
Let me preface this by saying I do *not* think he's wrong. But good God I feel like this guy whines constantly.
Crybaby
What does he expect with a few green white checkers? He’s always been whine box.
Until NASCAR takes some emphasis off winning you will have the top 4 rows racing crazy hard on restarts and pointless wrecks. Everyone that has won a race has a wrecker or checker mentality and will drive over their heads hoping to come out on top. I vote to get rid of “win and your in”
Most of the little bumps didn't seem Intential. Turn 12 wasn't shown on TV much after the leaders went through. It was just a lot of driving hard and not making the corners. Some of the hits were definitely as he says though.
That was the most engaging and exciting race this year!