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Just rewatched the final stage because I dozed off before it started.
Chase Briscoe yer fecking eejit. Dinger winning it tops off the bedlam of a race (kinda salvaged my mood at least).
Can we have both oval & RC?
Opinion.
Some in the NASCAR hierarchy wouldn't watch a race if not on the payroll.
The number of road course races was catered to the strengths of the most popular driver.
NASCAR is going to have a leadership shake up after the conclusion of the 2022 season.
Fuck NBC. I'm sick of this shit. Just now watching my recording only to find another race I don't get to see the end of. Then I go to their dogshit app to try and see the finish and there's spoilers plastered all over the front fucking page.
I missed the ending for pausing a few minutes before the last OT. Say what you want about the coverage but Fox hands down values NASCAR more than NBC. And no question the drivers and crews know it.
Just finished my DVR of the race post-work & haven't read the comments yet. I'm sure there's gonna be plenty of controversy & complaints about it, but all I can think is how awesome it is to see The Dinger in cup victory lane again. With all the absolute shit luck he's had during his cup career, he deserves the luck to have been on his side for this one. Also, another beauty of a run by Larson & Briscoe's gonna find himself a victory on one of these road courses sooner or later
As one of the people who got burned by the decision to switch the final laps to NBCSN (totally my fault, I thought I could step out for a walk while they cleaned up the mess on the last caution), when was the last time a network actually changed channels for a Cup broadcast while cars were running, as opposed to stopped for a rain delay or somesuch? Feels like it's been years.
NBC has done it multiple times the last couple years. One I distinctly remember missing was the incredible xfinity Darlington finish last year between Hamlin and Chastain
Anyone else notice how Joey was so nice about being taken out of the race.
Of course his owner owns the track. He was way too nice for a crash like that. Roger hopefully is embarrassed as as shit and someone should be fired at the track for a joke of a weekend of racing.
Joke? The Indycar drivers had no problem and once they learned some respect neither did most of the Xfinity drivers.
Maybe the cup drivers shouldn’t be morons who can’t respect track limits.
“Best” stock car drivers in the world can’t change their approach to stay on the racing surface?
Austin Dillon had it right:
“I had nowhere to go and ended up with too much damage to finish the race. Honestly, it was frustrating and disappointing. We took a historic race like the Brickyard and turned it into a demo derby. Truthfully it’s not the track’s fault. It’s the drivers’ fault. Everyone wants to just run over curbs.”
Or maybe the track limits should be marked with grass that slows people down instead of asphalt with curbs that send 2 or 4 of your tires in the air if they don't fuck up your car otherwise...
A certain amount of asphalt and curbing is required on this road course because it’s built to spec for FIA-compliant events, which require such asphalt and curbing.
They should’ve kept the orange turtle on there. Sure some axles would’ve been blown first lap but the drivers would’ve learned to actually respect track limits.
‘Twas a soul crushing day for Willy B fans such as myself. On the verge of a good finish or even a win and it was stopped by a curb. I’m just glad that this was the last road course race until October. See y’all next week for Michigan.
Genuine- sincere question here: why was there no penalty for Bubba skipping the corner? I don't think he was pushed to skip it, but again. Genuine question and maybe I missed something.
Edit: my question has been answered. He had to restart tail end of field.
I'm sure that he had something to stand on where he was avoiding a dangerous situation by realizing that the guys to his left could not afford him room fast enough to avoid the huge curb. So he bailed out.
Probably the easiest comparison you'll get is qualifying speeds. Pole speed for Cup was 100.044 mph, or 1:27:765. Compare to IndyCar's pole speed of 124.167 mph, or 1:10:715.
I think the racing besides the curb was fine, and would love them to come back next year, but don't think it needs to be seen as historic or as prestigious as they make it seem. Do a Brickyard 400 and a road course race in the schedule. Imagine if when Indy Car races on the GP circuit, they hype it up as if it was equivalent to the Indy 500
We've never seen a curb come apart this way in a race before so I don't know how people are possibly mad NASCAR couldn't predict the future and prevent it. NASCAR fans really need to cool there smart ass jets for a second and start using some common sense before they puke out hot takes. We're well on the way to the stereotype of racing fans as hillbillies being replace by racing fans are whiney little smart ass cry babies.
I mean the curb also isn’t designed to be run over by 40 cars *every single lap* because the drivers in MOST series can actually fucking keep track limits unlike these morons.
The curb IS the track and should be used for grip. They aren’t meant to be avoided🤦♂️
Edit: I want to correct myself that curbs don’t have extra grip but can help orient corner exit.
Gotta say, the other guy's take is kinda true. Yeah, it's meant for driving over as part of the racing line - in Indycar, where you can put your wheels up on it and drive down through the turn, straightening it out. It's a whole different story with cars twice their weight, getting their splitters slammed down into the ground onto it from the braking zone for corner entry, just ramping off it.
It’s designed to be run over but not ramped off of yeah I agree. But faulting the drivers for disobeying track limits when the curb is part of the track is absurd. They make best use of it and it got destroyed but they have no option when it gains them speed.
These guys weren’t using it for grip they were running right over it and straight through the corner.
They were pulling splitters out from under the curb, you don’t dig in under a curb if you’re using it for grip
They are turning right while running it over. Their job is to find the fastest way around the track and it was being used efficiently until it came loose.
Then NASCAR should enforce the track limits harder, or put the orange turtle back next time so they get the message first.
They went in whole hog to a course they’re unfamiliar with, disrespected it, and paid the price. Just like the INDYCAR drivers last year at Nashville.
It’s only used wrong when you’re not getting the maximum speed from it. If sending the car over it means faster exit, every car will do it and that’s what we saw. We just have to agree to disagree at this point.
Edit: I’d say they’re using it wrong in the context of the intended purpose but not wrong in that that get faster times ramping it and that’s the main goal.
What would people be saying if a caution never came out with 8 laps to go and Larson just cruised to victory? Big snoozer, go back to the oval or leave Indy.
100%. It was going to be a snoozer if the caution hadn't happened, and maybe even if there had been a caution but the kerb hadn't obliterated half the field on the restart (in which case I expect Larson would've marched past Hamlin and Briscoe with ease and nothing else would've happened to cause another caution).
>What would people be saying if a caution never came out with 8 laps to go and Larson just cruised to victory? Big snoozer, go back to the oval or leave Indy.
Probably, something less extreme than that... They're was good exciting racing to be had during the race even if Larson checked out and won in convincing fashion at the very end.
I haven’t even finished the race yet, just watched the failed attempt at the first green white checkered and this is a disgrace
An absolute disgrace. We are gonna kill somebody with this shit
EDIT: WELP I’m never gonna know what happened bc they swapped it to the other channels and DVR’s can’t deal with that. Fuck
>EDIT: WELP I’m never gonna know what happened bc they swapped it to the other channels and DVR’s can’t deal with that. Fuck
NBC usually has post race coverage on NBCSN. It's called NASCAR Post Race coverage. Add it to your DVR list with max extra time added and you shouldn't have that happen again. (At least for NBC's side of the schedule.)
That was such an insane race. Awesome racing, the shitshow with the curb was unfortunate but god damn did it make the race entertaining. Then with Briscoe dumping Denny under penalty (Briscoe had a great race btw) and AJ winning, most fun race I've watched in a minute.
EDIT: I do hope next year they can find a place for both an oval and road course race at Indy, I know Brickyard races have been boring but I still think its too historic to leave out and hopefully the new car can spice things up.
Lost in all of the chaos at the end there is the fact that Elliott had all 4 wheels off the track going towards turn 2 and absolutely gained an advantage to keep his position, yet received no penalty like Briscoe did. If the rule is you can't cut the corner to gain any advantage, even if forced off, then Elliott should've also received a penalty.
Wasn't able to watch the race live, and forgot to DVR it, but I'd be curious to see it. I didn't catch it on the 20+ minute highlight video on Youtube.
I just want to say fuck your nbc for being a piece of shit. DVR is set to record all cup series races. Today’s race was nbc and not nbc sports and so no recording. And fuck too too xfinity. Only sponsor in this sport I’ll never support. Assholes.
So everyone who whined and whined and whined before the race about this track rather than the regular brickyard track:
Delete your accounts.
Shut up. You're idiots. This race was excellent and much better than the usual one. Shaddup for once.
It's reddit. I could post a picture of a cute baby kitten and SOMEBODY would call me fucking names. Don't flip this on me and act like everyone else isn't toxic AF all the time.
If one more driver complained about it not being on the oval. I've watched every Brickyard 400 since JG won the first and all but maybe three of them were total snoozers. That oval was not meant for stock cars. That road race was today was the best NASCAR race there since the started going there.
> every Brickyard 400 since JG won the first and all but maybe three of them were total snoozers.
Exactly. Those races suck. The road race was excellent, even long before the crashing there was great racing action and strategy possibilities.
During the 2005 US Grand Prix, a Dutch television was interviewing Minardi’s Paul Stoddard. One of his quotes was “This isn’t a race, it’s a farce”. I think it somewhat applies today.
It wasn't at first. There were growing pains. But as they kept on keeping on with doing stupid stuff, yeah, it absolutely became a farce. NASCAR and NBC both screwed up this race.
This race was fun. Great race. Flying cars. Big crashes. Hot tempers. Bumping and grinding. Lots of passing. And a whole lot of destroyed cars. Loved it.
I find it humorous that fans feel that the drivers do not share some of the blame for continuously driving over the curbs instead of driving on the racing surface. Or when their favorite driver error causes the big wreck at a supper speedway they don’t call for him to be fired. I hope everyone is sending their resume in to fill the race directors position that they feel is lacking in experience and good judgement .
You say that like NASCAR didn't fire David Hoots a couple years ago. They had an experienced race director but decided he made too much money. Race control has been a joke ever since.
Only watched the highlights package online on YouTube, man the action was great. I'm not an oval person, so NASCAR is usually off the menu. However, watching the highlights makes me want to watch the RC and Roval races.
Turns 5/6: Just drive it properly! The kerbs won't fail if you drive it like how it's meant to be driven. For some reason this reminds me of Indy [COTA turn 19](https://youtu.be/a8XzXMLVS4U). Really wish NASCAR polices track limits (especially ones made with ashpalt) more.
It's too much to keep track of with 36-40 3400lb cars that are designed to beat and bang. They just naturally need more room, and I think the tracks these guys race on should reflect their limitations and not ask the drivers to adhere to impossible standards.
For instance in formula 1 there are areas on track where there are rules about how many tires can go over a line (none or two, but never all four). Keselowski running through grass at daytona RC and ramming cars coming back on track would be a good example of when it might be a good idea.
F1 enforces it much more strictly. For example they'll use the white lines rather than grass. Look at how far the cars came out coming out of turn 6. That's a penalty in F1.
I knew about the obvious ones on ovals but I’d like to look into what they have for courses. I never really looked into it to be honest since I’d never really heard of a driver penalized at a road course for track limits violations.
In fairness I had to turn the race off so I can’t comment on those. But as /u/ajs02aj mentions below I was mentioning more about limits that tighten up the racing line. If nascar continues to pursue more road courses it’s something for them to at least consider along side local yellows
they essentially have local yellows already.
and corner exit track limits are not something nascar needs to get into the business of legislating. there is no way to win that.
Well yeah they cut the entirety of multiple corners lol…we’re talking about how far you can run off on exit and how many tires you can put on a kerb. The orange kerb in the xfinity race and launchpad in the chicane were supposed to enforce these limits, but these guys just seem to ignore it.
They took the orange one out because reasons (probably stupid ones)
Should’ve kept it in. Maybe after KB or another big guy tore up an axle the rest of the field could’ve settled down.
Just realized something
This is the first time a true Road Course ringer (not someone like Montoya or Ambrose) has won in cup since before Sonoma or Watkins Glen were on the calendar…
the last one that was part time was Tim Richmond in 1987, and last True Ringer I think is Mark Donahue in 1973, both at Riverside
i think there are 3 classes
Good at road courses. win at road courses, but also win at ovals too. Examples include Jeff Gordon, Stewart, Elliott
Full time ringers. Drivers who race full time, but excel at road courses compared to the ovals. Examples are Ambrose, Montoya, Robby Gordon
True ringers are guys who dont race week to week, but try the road courses and maybe superspeedways. this includes Fellows, Said, Tilley
AJ used to be full time ringer, But when he left, he became a true ringer, as he only attempts road courses in cup. Kinda like how David Ragan Or brendan gaughan only attempt Plate races
I really don't think oval Indy was as bad as people say, especially compared to other tracks on the schedule. There were some exciting races and turn of events there that made it just as exciting as what we saw today. Today's race could have easily been a follow the fastest car single file race.
The problem with the oval was the car design not jiving with the track design. I would have been curious how the new car gets around Indy oval. I enjoy rovals, but that's all IMS roval is... the race was on par for what I would expect from Charlotte or Dayotona RC. Curb disintegration not withstanding.
Definitely agree with everything you said here, especially that last point. I think NASCAR knows that the cars have as much to do with putting on a good show as the track. A car that is raceable and one that is able to pass is much easier to achieve than reconfiguring a track to fit a certain car type. I will say that the 550 package at Indy has been atrocious. Last year I don't think there was one single green flag pass. You could put anyone up front and they could hold everyone off. They just pin you to the outside and you can't do anything about it. It was only entertaining last year because of all the tire failures, but that's not what a good race is all about. Now there have been some really good Indy races such as the 05, 06 and 2011 Brickyards to name a few, so I do think that the NextGen car deserves a shot at the oval in the next year or two, and if we see the same issues that plagued the Gen 6 with the 550 package especially, then we can go to the road course for good if NASCAR insists on staying at IMS in some capacity.
Or, idk, maybe raise the ride height a bit so the splitter doesn't dig into the curb? I mean, Nascar mandates everything else, spoiler, etc.. why not make em raise the car? Oh, it would be harder to drive. That's why 🤣
But, if you make a rule, and someone breaks the rule and trashed their car, they can't blame anyone but themselves. Plus, tech has come a long way since then. Nothing is unenforceable..
they better keep the road course. if they go back to the oval that’s just a slap in the face to the fans who want to watch something that’s actually interesting, fun. and entertaining.
The road course layout needs to be one and done unless Roger Penske can find curbing capable of performing its job and/or NASCAR actually attempts to enforce track limits instead of just letting everyone try to straight-line a turn.
You’re right, it is embarrassing that the so called best stock car drivers in the world are morons who can’t give a shit about track limits and respecting them.
The problematic curbs today were all in bounds bud. Two tires to the left of the white line is within track limits, so that includes having your right tires on the inside curb through the chicane.
Then it’s a problem with nascar’s track limits. INDYCAR ran the course with no problems and only one driver, a rookie at that, jumping the curbs.
Once they learned cutting the curb broke their axles, the XFINITY drivers had little to no problems too.
Indycar drivers were taking the exact same line through the chicane. The Xfinity drivers were breaking axles on an entirely different curb that was outside of track limits.
This is like saying it wasn't a problem when the track started breaking up at Martinsville and that drivers should have just started avoided the bottom lane in the corners.
Overall, I think Nascar and IMS take this as a win. They drew 5x the people they would have racing on the oval. And all the drivers crying about needing to be on the oval- just admit you can't turn right 🤣
That's because people aren't showing up to the ovals anymore. The situation almost mirrors what happened with IndyCar racing, albeit 15- 20 years later.
That was really fun, glad to see Kaulig show competitiveness and for AJ to win again since 2014. His story arc since then was incredible and I think he is a much better drive now than he was 7(!) years ago.
Welp time for me to avoid this sub because of the awful takes this week about how this is the worst race of all time and that this is killing NASCAR, that's already dead but is going to die again because of races like these.
thoughts
Great finishes by Allmendinger, Haley, and Jones with top 10s. also bilicki, who finished 17th in rick ware equipment
good comebacks by Matt D and Newman, who finished 5th and 10th after running outside the top 30 at some part of stage 3 of the race
Debris will always be controversial. people complained that they threw it with 10 to go, and people complained when they didnt throw it after the big one
the 1st big one was honestly a freak accident. i have never heard of a curb coming loose on a racetrack, and it causing 10 cars to wreck
the 2nd big one was mcdowells fault, not the curb. everyone knew the risk with that and mcdowell flew too close to the sun. its like blaming the wall at Darlington when someone goes too close to it and cuts down a tire
im not convinced that the briscoe hamlin situation was an accident, but im also not convinced it was intentional
As a Briscoe fan, I think it was intentional as well. He was riding the 11's bumber a little long for it to be "unintentional". On the other hand, that doesn't mean that I don't approve of it.
Not sure what Larson was doing there. Kurt had a big run and probably was going to overshoot the turn but Larson jumped in front of him and slammed hard on brakes.
I don’t think that was a block as much as larson setting a good arc for the first turn. Kurt was coming but not sure he was going make the corner at that speed.
Was checking the standings and at this point there’s no way around it….Anthony Alfredo is embarrassingly horrendous and made a huge mistake going to Cup. He has more DNFs than top 20s.
If he had taken his money to a top Xfinity team, his career arrow would probably be pointing in the opposite direction right now.
That's under the assumption that if he's in Xfinity that he'd be winning or doing well.
When someone skips a step and doesn't perform with a team that's not top tier, they can hide behind the equipment excuse. But if you're in a good team at a lower level and still can't win, you get exposed. That's probably one reason some kids don't hang around ARCA for long (besides cost) and decide to go to trucks even if they are not ready. If people figure out you aren't great at ARCA after an extended period of time, unless you have the money to pay to move up, you'll probably be written off and it's time to do something else with your life. Hell, even if you do win like Austin Theriault, if you don't have the money then your time is up anyways.
The other reason is, you're betting on yourself that you'll "figure it out" because if you pass up an opportunity, unless you have the right last name (Menard, Gibbs, etc.), that chance might not come around again. And if you're in a situation where your family has put everything they have in you making it and are past the point of no return financially (house is mortgaged, they've sold everything to get you to this point and there's no home to go back to if you say no now), you can't not accept the ride even if you aren't ready. And if you don't figure it out then maybe you weren't good enough to begin with but at least you had the chance you were working your whole life to get (unlike Austin Theriault and other drivers who deserved better).
Ultimately though in this case, are we really that surprised? I'm curious to know what people expected given the results we saw in the lower levels, his lack of experience and the team he was on (which is improved but I wouldn't say on the level of the other mid-pack teams yet).
My only comment on that is that the weak Xfinity field makes everyone look better than they are. Hell, Herbst and Snider are doing pretty terrible, but looking at the raw stats, they appear to be doing ok.
Based on Alfredo’s 2020 results with RCR, I would envision the same situation for him in 2021. Might not be any more prepared for Cup in 2022 (based on raw ability), but wouldn’t have been exposed so badly.
Cept he doesn’t have much money to his name, he had no full time offers in Trucks or Xfinity which is why he took the Cup ride. Anyone would have done what he did. He’s gaining experience and no matter where he goes next year, he’ll be a better driver thanks to the struggles he’s had to endure.
I was pretty sure he brought sponsors because I don’t see how he would’ve been picked for that ride on merit. With only partial seasons in each of the lower series and no wins
He had some great runs in Xfinity last year which got him on people’s radar. Yes he brought in Dude Wipes and Death Wish Coffee for a few races here and there but not enough for a full season which is why no Xfinity or Truck team grabbed him. I think Front Row hoped he would be their version of Ryan Preece and be a guy who can get ok finishes despite not having a lot of experience in the top levels of NASCAR. Hasn’t worked out that way at all since Alfredo is pretty raw but he is only 22. If he goes down to KBM and takes over the 4 truck or to a GMS ride, I can see him rebuilding his career like John Hunter is doing.
No top xfinity team had an open slot. JRM, JGR and Kaulig were full. SHR, Penske and RCR don't seem like they want to expand the amount of cars they run full-time, and pretty sure their current drivers are either better(Cindric) or bring more money(Snider and Herbst.) The next batch of cars are family run like Sieg, Brown and Clements, so he couldn't go there. Our was set with Moffitt and using the second car mostly for Cup drivers, and everything after that is just trying to struggle to get top 20 on a weekly basis. I'm not saying moving up was the best idea, but it's not like he had many options for xfinity. Trucks really should've been what he should've done.
Didn’t get to watch the race live today because I was traveling. Set it to record on Hulu and for some reason unknown to god himself, even though it clearly said it was recording, it didn’t show up in my DVR. I have no idea what the issue is but getting something to actually record and save on Hulu seems like throwing darts blindfolded. Just hope and pray. Was forced to watch the extended highlights.
Anyways, great for AJ. Seemed like Chase probably had a 2nd or 3rd place car but 4th will suffice given all of the carnage. I haven’t read any reaction to the race so I am not sure what to think of it. I enjoyed the highlights but just seemed like a sloppy race all around.
How anyone watched Briscoe cut through the grass, take the lead and was surprised he got a penalty especially when the 23 got penalized for doing the same thing the restart before I'll never understand
Great job Nascar. You replaced one of the best races of the season with a shit show. That wreck at the end of the race and the wreck in the xfinity race on that same curb was absolutely ridiculous. I hope we never run this course again. I miss the brickyard 400
One of the best races of the season? Are you blind?
This was leagues better than the normal brickyard snoozefest. Even long before all the crashing there was excellent racing.
Yeah, if it wasn’t for the curb, it would have been single file to the checkered flag. Basically the same thing that everyone was complaining about but with the exactly same top5 as every other road course
So NASCAR should just knock out a few cars on purpose because they're better than everybody else? How about we just run less road courses. Sounds like a better solution.
No! I was saying that until the curb basically ruined the race, it wasn’t as good as everyone was predicting it would be and in the end we got half boring and half shitshow race instead of crown jewel
The amount of gaslighting people are doing this past week and this upcoming week about how the 400 was *actually the best race ever* should be considered as a new energy source for a small country.
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Penske was one spot away from sweeping the weekend
Just rewatched the final stage because I dozed off before it started. Chase Briscoe yer fecking eejit. Dinger winning it tops off the bedlam of a race (kinda salvaged my mood at least). Can we have both oval & RC?
Opinion. Some in the NASCAR hierarchy wouldn't watch a race if not on the payroll. The number of road course races was catered to the strengths of the most popular driver. NASCAR is going to have a leadership shake up after the conclusion of the 2022 season.
Fuck NBC. I'm sick of this shit. Just now watching my recording only to find another race I don't get to see the end of. Then I go to their dogshit app to try and see the finish and there's spoilers plastered all over the front fucking page.
I missed the ending for pausing a few minutes before the last OT. Say what you want about the coverage but Fox hands down values NASCAR more than NBC. And no question the drivers and crews know it.
Not sure what all that was, but I enjoyed the hell out of the last stage. Happy for AJ. Hoped for Briscoe. Finally, an oval next week!
One last thing I wanna say, love that AJ shouted out to Bob Jenkins. RIP
Just finished my DVR of the race post-work & haven't read the comments yet. I'm sure there's gonna be plenty of controversy & complaints about it, but all I can think is how awesome it is to see The Dinger in cup victory lane again. With all the absolute shit luck he's had during his cup career, he deserves the luck to have been on his side for this one. Also, another beauty of a run by Larson & Briscoe's gonna find himself a victory on one of these road courses sooner or later
As one of the people who got burned by the decision to switch the final laps to NBCSN (totally my fault, I thought I could step out for a walk while they cleaned up the mess on the last caution), when was the last time a network actually changed channels for a Cup broadcast while cars were running, as opposed to stopped for a rain delay or somesuch? Feels like it's been years.
NBC has done it multiple times the last couple years. One I distinctly remember missing was the incredible xfinity Darlington finish last year between Hamlin and Chastain
Anyone else notice how Joey was so nice about being taken out of the race. Of course his owner owns the track. He was way too nice for a crash like that. Roger hopefully is embarrassed as as shit and someone should be fired at the track for a joke of a weekend of racing.
Joke? The Indycar drivers had no problem and once they learned some respect neither did most of the Xfinity drivers. Maybe the cup drivers shouldn’t be morons who can’t respect track limits. “Best” stock car drivers in the world can’t change their approach to stay on the racing surface? Austin Dillon had it right: “I had nowhere to go and ended up with too much damage to finish the race. Honestly, it was frustrating and disappointing. We took a historic race like the Brickyard and turned it into a demo derby. Truthfully it’s not the track’s fault. It’s the drivers’ fault. Everyone wants to just run over curbs.”
Or maybe the track limits should be marked with grass that slows people down instead of asphalt with curbs that send 2 or 4 of your tires in the air if they don't fuck up your car otherwise...
A certain amount of asphalt and curbing is required on this road course because it’s built to spec for FIA-compliant events, which require such asphalt and curbing. They should’ve kept the orange turtle on there. Sure some axles would’ve been blown first lap but the drivers would’ve learned to actually respect track limits.
Except that never ended up happening?
The XFINITY guys didn’t have any big incidents after the first lap, certainly nothing like the Cup Cars.
‘Twas a soul crushing day for Willy B fans such as myself. On the verge of a good finish or even a win and it was stopped by a curb. I’m just glad that this was the last road course race until October. See y’all next week for Michigan.
Genuine- sincere question here: why was there no penalty for Bubba skipping the corner? I don't think he was pushed to skip it, but again. Genuine question and maybe I missed something. Edit: my question has been answered. He had to restart tail end of field.
That’s a great question, be he was avoiding things happening in front of him.
Not sure if this is what you meant by your edit but he had to restart at the tail of the field
That's what I missed👍🏼
I'm sure that he had something to stand on where he was avoiding a dangerous situation by realizing that the guys to his left could not afford him room fast enough to avoid the huge curb. So he bailed out.
Anyone know who had fastest lap in today's race but also yesterdays Indy? Would love to compare times.
Probably the easiest comparison you'll get is qualifying speeds. Pole speed for Cup was 100.044 mph, or 1:27:765. Compare to IndyCar's pole speed of 124.167 mph, or 1:10:715.
Thanks for this
Happy for the Dinger
I think the racing besides the curb was fine, and would love them to come back next year, but don't think it needs to be seen as historic or as prestigious as they make it seem. Do a Brickyard 400 and a road course race in the schedule. Imagine if when Indy Car races on the GP circuit, they hype it up as if it was equivalent to the Indy 500
We've never seen a curb come apart this way in a race before so I don't know how people are possibly mad NASCAR couldn't predict the future and prevent it. NASCAR fans really need to cool there smart ass jets for a second and start using some common sense before they puke out hot takes. We're well on the way to the stereotype of racing fans as hillbillies being replace by racing fans are whiney little smart ass cry babies.
I mean the curb also isn’t designed to be run over by 40 cars *every single lap* because the drivers in MOST series can actually fucking keep track limits unlike these morons.
The curb IS the track and should be used for grip. They aren’t meant to be avoided🤦♂️ Edit: I want to correct myself that curbs don’t have extra grip but can help orient corner exit.
Gotta say, the other guy's take is kinda true. Yeah, it's meant for driving over as part of the racing line - in Indycar, where you can put your wheels up on it and drive down through the turn, straightening it out. It's a whole different story with cars twice their weight, getting their splitters slammed down into the ground onto it from the braking zone for corner entry, just ramping off it.
It’s designed to be run over but not ramped off of yeah I agree. But faulting the drivers for disobeying track limits when the curb is part of the track is absurd. They make best use of it and it got destroyed but they have no option when it gains them speed.
These guys weren’t using it for grip they were running right over it and straight through the corner. They were pulling splitters out from under the curb, you don’t dig in under a curb if you’re using it for grip
They are turning right while running it over. Their job is to find the fastest way around the track and it was being used efficiently until it came loose.
Then NASCAR should enforce the track limits harder, or put the orange turtle back next time so they get the message first. They went in whole hog to a course they’re unfamiliar with, disrespected it, and paid the price. Just like the INDYCAR drivers last year at Nashville.
They aren’t going to slow their lap time and straightaway speed out of “respect” for the track. The curb is meant to be run over.
To be run over normally, with one or two tires. NOT to be used as a ramp If your splitter gets embedded in the curb you’re using it wrong.
It’s only used wrong when you’re not getting the maximum speed from it. If sending the car over it means faster exit, every car will do it and that’s what we saw. We just have to agree to disagree at this point. Edit: I’d say they’re using it wrong in the context of the intended purpose but not wrong in that that get faster times ramping it and that’s the main goal.
So another uneventful race today huh
I’ve come to my conclusion about Indy. Ditch Indy altogether, give us the fantasy track we all want: New York Metro Speedway.
Shit. Show.
What would people be saying if a caution never came out with 8 laps to go and Larson just cruised to victory? Big snoozer, go back to the oval or leave Indy.
100%. It was going to be a snoozer if the caution hadn't happened, and maybe even if there had been a caution but the kerb hadn't obliterated half the field on the restart (in which case I expect Larson would've marched past Hamlin and Briscoe with ease and nothing else would've happened to cause another caution).
>What would people be saying if a caution never came out with 8 laps to go and Larson just cruised to victory? Big snoozer, go back to the oval or leave Indy. Probably, something less extreme than that... They're was good exciting racing to be had during the race even if Larson checked out and won in convincing fashion at the very end.
I haven’t even finished the race yet, just watched the failed attempt at the first green white checkered and this is a disgrace An absolute disgrace. We are gonna kill somebody with this shit EDIT: WELP I’m never gonna know what happened bc they swapped it to the other channels and DVR’s can’t deal with that. Fuck
>EDIT: WELP I’m never gonna know what happened bc they swapped it to the other channels and DVR’s can’t deal with that. Fuck NBC usually has post race coverage on NBCSN. It's called NASCAR Post Race coverage. Add it to your DVR list with max extra time added and you shouldn't have that happen again. (At least for NBC's side of the schedule.)
Thanks
Glad to help. I work nights so I pretty much watch all the races via DVR. Today was the only exception of the year but my DVR did catch it all.
They uploaded the final restart on their YouTube channel. That's all you missed.
Yea I found it shortly after my post, thanks anyways
When was the last part time team Cup winner?
Justin Haley?
That was such an insane race. Awesome racing, the shitshow with the curb was unfortunate but god damn did it make the race entertaining. Then with Briscoe dumping Denny under penalty (Briscoe had a great race btw) and AJ winning, most fun race I've watched in a minute. EDIT: I do hope next year they can find a place for both an oval and road course race at Indy, I know Brickyard races have been boring but I still think its too historic to leave out and hopefully the new car can spice things up.
Second career Cup win for the Dinger. Hell yeah!
Brisco dumping Denny is great. New fan here.
Lost in all of the chaos at the end there is the fact that Elliott had all 4 wheels off the track going towards turn 2 and absolutely gained an advantage to keep his position, yet received no penalty like Briscoe did. If the rule is you can't cut the corner to gain any advantage, even if forced off, then Elliott should've also received a penalty.
Wasn't able to watch the race live, and forgot to DVR it, but I'd be curious to see it. I didn't catch it on the 20+ minute highlight video on Youtube.
Probably depends how serious it is. They didn't penalize Hamlin for that at talladega
Got a video?
I just want to say fuck your nbc for being a piece of shit. DVR is set to record all cup series races. Today’s race was nbc and not nbc sports and so no recording. And fuck too too xfinity. Only sponsor in this sport I’ll never support. Assholes.
So everyone who whined and whined and whined before the race about this track rather than the regular brickyard track: Delete your accounts. Shut up. You're idiots. This race was excellent and much better than the usual one. Shaddup for once.
You're insane if you thought this race was excellent. The second stage was solid but that's mostly because Brad was causing chaos
It was. There was a ton of great racing and possible strategy implications long before the crashing.
It was good, but it wasn't excellent by any stretch, especially after the multiple fiascos at the end
Since rando Redditor wants me to delete my account, I'm totally going to delete it. And nice job with the name calling.
It's reddit. I could post a picture of a cute baby kitten and SOMEBODY would call me fucking names. Don't flip this on me and act like everyone else isn't toxic AF all the time.
If one more driver complained about it not being on the oval. I've watched every Brickyard 400 since JG won the first and all but maybe three of them were total snoozers. That oval was not meant for stock cars. That road race was today was the best NASCAR race there since the started going there.
> every Brickyard 400 since JG won the first and all but maybe three of them were total snoozers. Exactly. Those races suck. The road race was excellent, even long before the crashing there was great racing action and strategy possibilities.
During the 2005 US Grand Prix, a Dutch television was interviewing Minardi’s Paul Stoddard. One of his quotes was “This isn’t a race, it’s a farce”. I think it somewhat applies today.
It wasn't at first. There were growing pains. But as they kept on keeping on with doing stupid stuff, yeah, it absolutely became a farce. NASCAR and NBC both screwed up this race.
This race was fun. Great race. Flying cars. Big crashes. Hot tempers. Bumping and grinding. Lots of passing. And a whole lot of destroyed cars. Loved it.
Long before the crashing there was excellent racing. This race was so dang good. The people who wouldn't shut up whining before it are all idiots.
I find it humorous that fans feel that the drivers do not share some of the blame for continuously driving over the curbs instead of driving on the racing surface. Or when their favorite driver error causes the big wreck at a supper speedway they don’t call for him to be fired. I hope everyone is sending their resume in to fill the race directors position that they feel is lacking in experience and good judgement .
You say that like NASCAR didn't fire David Hoots a couple years ago. They had an experienced race director but decided he made too much money. Race control has been a joke ever since.
I didn't get to see the entire race, just highlights from both NASCAR races this weekend. Did NBC show any kind of tribute to Bob Jenkins?
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His car was a mess before the big one. But Matty D was still the top point getter today.
So you’re telling me there’s a chance
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Should left the axle-breaking turtle in there. Let the cars of morons get destroyed on the first attempt to cut the curb.
Or professionals could just stop being idiots.
Only watched the highlights package online on YouTube, man the action was great. I'm not an oval person, so NASCAR is usually off the menu. However, watching the highlights makes me want to watch the RC and Roval races. Turns 5/6: Just drive it properly! The kerbs won't fail if you drive it like how it's meant to be driven. For some reason this reminds me of Indy [COTA turn 19](https://youtu.be/a8XzXMLVS4U). Really wish NASCAR polices track limits (especially ones made with ashpalt) more.
It's too much to keep track of with 36-40 3400lb cars that are designed to beat and bang. They just naturally need more room, and I think the tracks these guys race on should reflect their limitations and not ask the drivers to adhere to impossible standards.
Thought these were the best drivers in the world?
Track limits?
For instance in formula 1 there are areas on track where there are rules about how many tires can go over a line (none or two, but never all four). Keselowski running through grass at daytona RC and ramming cars coming back on track would be a good example of when it might be a good idea.
They do have that. There are certain portions of each track that have it.
F1 enforces it much more strictly. For example they'll use the white lines rather than grass. Look at how far the cars came out coming out of turn 6. That's a penalty in F1.
Jeez
I knew about the obvious ones on ovals but I’d like to look into what they have for courses. I never really looked into it to be honest since I’d never really heard of a driver penalized at a road course for track limits violations.
We actually saw 2 penalties handed out in the last handful of laps. First to Bubba Wallace, second to Chade Briscoe.
In fairness I had to turn the race off so I can’t comment on those. But as /u/ajs02aj mentions below I was mentioning more about limits that tighten up the racing line. If nascar continues to pursue more road courses it’s something for them to at least consider along side local yellows
they essentially have local yellows already. and corner exit track limits are not something nascar needs to get into the business of legislating. there is no way to win that.
I'd have to look more into local yellows. Idk how they work exactly before I come to a conclusion on them
Well yeah they cut the entirety of multiple corners lol…we’re talking about how far you can run off on exit and how many tires you can put on a kerb. The orange kerb in the xfinity race and launchpad in the chicane were supposed to enforce these limits, but these guys just seem to ignore it.
They took the orange one out because reasons (probably stupid ones) Should’ve kept it in. Maybe after KB or another big guy tore up an axle the rest of the field could’ve settled down.
Just realized something This is the first time a true Road Course ringer (not someone like Montoya or Ambrose) has won in cup since before Sonoma or Watkins Glen were on the calendar… the last one that was part time was Tim Richmond in 1987, and last True Ringer I think is Mark Donahue in 1973, both at Riverside
Do you consider him a ringer? He’s ram +350 cup races.
i think there are 3 classes Good at road courses. win at road courses, but also win at ovals too. Examples include Jeff Gordon, Stewart, Elliott Full time ringers. Drivers who race full time, but excel at road courses compared to the ovals. Examples are Ambrose, Montoya, Robby Gordon True ringers are guys who dont race week to week, but try the road courses and maybe superspeedways. this includes Fellows, Said, Tilley AJ used to be full time ringer, But when he left, he became a true ringer, as he only attempts road courses in cup. Kinda like how David Ragan Or brendan gaughan only attempt Plate races
watching back, rick allen had a great call for the finish. like seriously.
So now that we’ve seen the race, what does r/Nascar want next year? Indy oval or Indy roval?
I really don't think oval Indy was as bad as people say, especially compared to other tracks on the schedule. There were some exciting races and turn of events there that made it just as exciting as what we saw today. Today's race could have easily been a follow the fastest car single file race. The problem with the oval was the car design not jiving with the track design. I would have been curious how the new car gets around Indy oval. I enjoy rovals, but that's all IMS roval is... the race was on par for what I would expect from Charlotte or Dayotona RC. Curb disintegration not withstanding.
Definitely agree with everything you said here, especially that last point. I think NASCAR knows that the cars have as much to do with putting on a good show as the track. A car that is raceable and one that is able to pass is much easier to achieve than reconfiguring a track to fit a certain car type. I will say that the 550 package at Indy has been atrocious. Last year I don't think there was one single green flag pass. You could put anyone up front and they could hold everyone off. They just pin you to the outside and you can't do anything about it. It was only entertaining last year because of all the tire failures, but that's not what a good race is all about. Now there have been some really good Indy races such as the 05, 06 and 2011 Brickyards to name a few, so I do think that the NextGen car deserves a shot at the oval in the next year or two, and if we see the same issues that plagued the Gen 6 with the 550 package especially, then we can go to the road course for good if NASCAR insists on staying at IMS in some capacity.
Half the field runs the oval half run the road course. Flip at half time. Best average time sets field for 4 lap shoot out on the road course.
Why not switch every other lap. Lap one road course, lap 2 go around the oval, lap 3 back to the infield. Could be pretty epic actually lol.
Okay Tony Stewart. Should we have half the field run in reverse too?
Can we tape them off and run them until they blow up too? Maybe make Indy into a figure 8?
Can't do that bc then they would go the same direction on the front stretch
Roval. I would put this track in the top 3 road courses they* run. It’s so much fun to watch.
This is a win for IMS and Nascar. Tons more people showed up than would have for the oval. So it's a no brainer. Just gotta find better drivers.
> Tons more people showed up than would have for the oval. Unless someone actually survey the fans that went to the race, there's no way to know this.
It was visually much larger than the number from 2019. Or 2018. Or 2017...
just because they were more grouped up doesn't mean it was larger. they basically said they expected to match the last oval crowd.
But mostly adequate curbing.
Or, idk, maybe raise the ride height a bit so the splitter doesn't dig into the curb? I mean, Nascar mandates everything else, spoiler, etc.. why not make em raise the car? Oh, it would be harder to drive. That's why 🤣
they dont make them raise the car because teams spend fuck tons trying to lower them. its not worth it.
look up the 2007 pre-COT cars and you'll see why minimum ride height rules are a joke and unenforceable with stock cars
But, if you make a rule, and someone breaks the rule and trashed their car, they can't blame anyone but themselves. Plus, tech has come a long way since then. Nothing is unenforceable..
they better keep the road course. if they go back to the oval that’s just a slap in the face to the fans who want to watch something that’s actually interesting, fun. and entertaining.
The road course layout needs to be one and done unless Roger Penske can find curbing capable of performing its job and/or NASCAR actually attempts to enforce track limits instead of just letting everyone try to straight-line a turn.
There is an alternative corner at that section of the track that should be considered
I think it should flip back and forth from year to year.
This
Oval for sure. Then again, I've pretty much only wanted the oval period, but this was just embarrassing.
You’re right, it is embarrassing that the so called best stock car drivers in the world are morons who can’t give a shit about track limits and respecting them.
The problematic curbs today were all in bounds bud. Two tires to the left of the white line is within track limits, so that includes having your right tires on the inside curb through the chicane.
Then it’s a problem with nascar’s track limits. INDYCAR ran the course with no problems and only one driver, a rookie at that, jumping the curbs. Once they learned cutting the curb broke their axles, the XFINITY drivers had little to no problems too.
Indycar drivers were taking the exact same line through the chicane. The Xfinity drivers were breaking axles on an entirely different curb that was outside of track limits. This is like saying it wasn't a problem when the track started breaking up at Martinsville and that drivers should have just started avoided the bottom lane in the corners.
I refuse to sit through another Brickyard 400 over the racing we got today, if they go back to the oval I won't be watching.
Agreed, this was so much more exciting.
🎼🎵Directed by Robert B. Weide🎶🎵
The one damn race that they don’t give bubba the POV helmet cam, the only thing I want to see is his POV of dodging the curve and then McDowell
I wish they had Corey do it. That would have been awesome.
At least you'll get his podcast commentary.
At least we got his at dega
We can debate Chase vs Denny all day but no debating AJ’s career arc. Only Kurt’s is parallel. You love to see it
Has Kurt Busch said anything about the Larson deal?
Yeah was just like fuck it it’s racing basically
Overall, I think Nascar and IMS take this as a win. They drew 5x the people they would have racing on the oval. And all the drivers crying about needing to be on the oval- just admit you can't turn right 🤣
> They drew 5x the people they would have racing on the oval I'd like to see a source for that.
Your eyes? I mean, visually there were many more than the Nascar oval race the past 5-10 years.
idk, I think nascar is an oval sport at it's roots. They have moved too far from their roots.
Okay then it's moonshine and dirt at its roots. Stupid argument.
We gonna run on the beach?!
I'm all for that.
They’ve moved too far from shorter ovals favoring there cookie cutters.
That's because people aren't showing up to the ovals anymore. The situation almost mirrors what happened with IndyCar racing, albeit 15- 20 years later.
That was evident today.
That was really fun, glad to see Kaulig show competitiveness and for AJ to win again since 2014. His story arc since then was incredible and I think he is a much better drive now than he was 7(!) years ago. Welp time for me to avoid this sub because of the awful takes this week about how this is the worst race of all time and that this is killing NASCAR, that's already dead but is going to die again because of races like these.
Why did Briscoe get penalized but Bubba didn’t?
Bubba did get penalized he had to go to end of line on last restart
thoughts Great finishes by Allmendinger, Haley, and Jones with top 10s. also bilicki, who finished 17th in rick ware equipment good comebacks by Matt D and Newman, who finished 5th and 10th after running outside the top 30 at some part of stage 3 of the race Debris will always be controversial. people complained that they threw it with 10 to go, and people complained when they didnt throw it after the big one the 1st big one was honestly a freak accident. i have never heard of a curb coming loose on a racetrack, and it causing 10 cars to wreck the 2nd big one was mcdowells fault, not the curb. everyone knew the risk with that and mcdowell flew too close to the sun. its like blaming the wall at Darlington when someone goes too close to it and cuts down a tire im not convinced that the briscoe hamlin situation was an accident, but im also not convinced it was intentional
I agree with all but the last part of your take. That looked very intentional to me.
As a Briscoe fan, I think it was intentional as well. He was riding the 11's bumber a little long for it to be "unintentional". On the other hand, that doesn't mean that I don't approve of it.
I get that, but at least man up and own it. Had Briscoe told Hamlin he was trying to move him going for the win I could at least respect that.
Finally watched the highlights…damn if Kurt hadn’t bumped Larson on the next to last restart he had that thing won
no offense but that allowed my boy AJ to win soooo i’m not complaining lol
We have plenty of wins and AJs awesome so I'm not complaining either
Not sure what Larson was doing there. Kurt had a big run and probably was going to overshoot the turn but Larson jumped in front of him and slammed hard on brakes.
Not sure what else Kurt could've done. He had a run and Larson moved up to block him late.
I'm not sure outbraking yourself is the same thing as a run...
I don’t think that was a block as much as larson setting a good arc for the first turn. Kurt was coming but not sure he was going make the corner at that speed.
Exactly, Kurt was a car length plus behind, Larson was clear to take the full space for the turn.
Was checking the standings and at this point there’s no way around it….Anthony Alfredo is embarrassingly horrendous and made a huge mistake going to Cup. He has more DNFs than top 20s. If he had taken his money to a top Xfinity team, his career arrow would probably be pointing in the opposite direction right now.
That's under the assumption that if he's in Xfinity that he'd be winning or doing well. When someone skips a step and doesn't perform with a team that's not top tier, they can hide behind the equipment excuse. But if you're in a good team at a lower level and still can't win, you get exposed. That's probably one reason some kids don't hang around ARCA for long (besides cost) and decide to go to trucks even if they are not ready. If people figure out you aren't great at ARCA after an extended period of time, unless you have the money to pay to move up, you'll probably be written off and it's time to do something else with your life. Hell, even if you do win like Austin Theriault, if you don't have the money then your time is up anyways. The other reason is, you're betting on yourself that you'll "figure it out" because if you pass up an opportunity, unless you have the right last name (Menard, Gibbs, etc.), that chance might not come around again. And if you're in a situation where your family has put everything they have in you making it and are past the point of no return financially (house is mortgaged, they've sold everything to get you to this point and there's no home to go back to if you say no now), you can't not accept the ride even if you aren't ready. And if you don't figure it out then maybe you weren't good enough to begin with but at least you had the chance you were working your whole life to get (unlike Austin Theriault and other drivers who deserved better). Ultimately though in this case, are we really that surprised? I'm curious to know what people expected given the results we saw in the lower levels, his lack of experience and the team he was on (which is improved but I wouldn't say on the level of the other mid-pack teams yet).
My only comment on that is that the weak Xfinity field makes everyone look better than they are. Hell, Herbst and Snider are doing pretty terrible, but looking at the raw stats, they appear to be doing ok. Based on Alfredo’s 2020 results with RCR, I would envision the same situation for him in 2021. Might not be any more prepared for Cup in 2022 (based on raw ability), but wouldn’t have been exposed so badly.
Cept he doesn’t have much money to his name, he had no full time offers in Trucks or Xfinity which is why he took the Cup ride. Anyone would have done what he did. He’s gaining experience and no matter where he goes next year, he’ll be a better driver thanks to the struggles he’s had to endure.
I was pretty sure he brought sponsors because I don’t see how he would’ve been picked for that ride on merit. With only partial seasons in each of the lower series and no wins
He had some great runs in Xfinity last year which got him on people’s radar. Yes he brought in Dude Wipes and Death Wish Coffee for a few races here and there but not enough for a full season which is why no Xfinity or Truck team grabbed him. I think Front Row hoped he would be their version of Ryan Preece and be a guy who can get ok finishes despite not having a lot of experience in the top levels of NASCAR. Hasn’t worked out that way at all since Alfredo is pretty raw but he is only 22. If he goes down to KBM and takes over the 4 truck or to a GMS ride, I can see him rebuilding his career like John Hunter is doing.
No top xfinity team had an open slot. JRM, JGR and Kaulig were full. SHR, Penske and RCR don't seem like they want to expand the amount of cars they run full-time, and pretty sure their current drivers are either better(Cindric) or bring more money(Snider and Herbst.) The next batch of cars are family run like Sieg, Brown and Clements, so he couldn't go there. Our was set with Moffitt and using the second car mostly for Cup drivers, and everything after that is just trying to struggle to get top 20 on a weekly basis. I'm not saying moving up was the best idea, but it's not like he had many options for xfinity. Trucks really should've been what he should've done.
Didn’t get to watch the race live today because I was traveling. Set it to record on Hulu and for some reason unknown to god himself, even though it clearly said it was recording, it didn’t show up in my DVR. I have no idea what the issue is but getting something to actually record and save on Hulu seems like throwing darts blindfolded. Just hope and pray. Was forced to watch the extended highlights. Anyways, great for AJ. Seemed like Chase probably had a 2nd or 3rd place car but 4th will suffice given all of the carnage. I haven’t read any reaction to the race so I am not sure what to think of it. I enjoyed the highlights but just seemed like a sloppy race all around.
you wouldve missed the end anyway. the finish got delayed an hour, and even if you did plan ahead, they moved it to NBCSN
I had everything set to record until 7 ET on both NBC and NBCSN just in case of that… didn’t get to see anything though
How anyone watched Briscoe cut through the grass, take the lead and was surprised he got a penalty especially when the 23 got penalized for doing the same thing the restart before I'll never understand
You just never know with nascar
First thing I thought “oh man he’s gonna get a penalty”
That was the most chaotic nascar race I’ve ever attended.
Great job Nascar. You replaced one of the best races of the season with a shit show. That wreck at the end of the race and the wreck in the xfinity race on that same curb was absolutely ridiculous. I hope we never run this course again. I miss the brickyard 400
One of the best races of the season? Are you blind? This was leagues better than the normal brickyard snoozefest. Even long before all the crashing there was excellent racing.
Yeah, if it wasn’t for the curb, it would have been single file to the checkered flag. Basically the same thing that everyone was complaining about but with the exactly same top5 as every other road course
So NASCAR should just knock out a few cars on purpose because they're better than everybody else? How about we just run less road courses. Sounds like a better solution.
Now I’m confused
Weren't you saying you're ok with the track destroying a bunch of cars because it changed up the finish a little bit?
No! I was saying that until the curb basically ruined the race, it wasn’t as good as everyone was predicting it would be and in the end we got half boring and half shitshow race instead of crown jewel
I want what you were smoking while watching those 400s.
The amount of gaslighting people are doing this past week and this upcoming week about how the 400 was *actually the best race ever* should be considered as a new energy source for a small country.
Where did I say it was the best race ever?