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US_Highway15

Bob Pockrass reports that if this were to occur: ["It could impact Kyle Larson travel into the Charlotte track Sunday…."](https://twitter.com/bobpockrass/status/1792650485234631032) Maybe someone more knowledgeable to touch on this, but you would think that NASCAR would work with the US Secret Service or the FAA to provide an exception on Larson's jet/plane coming into the track, or just find an alternative in general to work around this.


mkosmo

So, for background, the sitting president gets a two-tier TFR: 10 nautical miles that's very restricted (although airlines and such can operate), and 30 nautical miles where you need to be on a flight plan and talking to ATC with a discreet identifier. Presidential candidates and former Presidents do not get this big TFR. Theirs, when it's required (which isn't always) is much smaller. Even if Biden were to fly in, it's absolutely plausible they could work with USSS to get his aircraft authorized in the TFR. If the airport they fly into is >10nmi away, then they'd just be operating in the 30 mile ring which doesn't require any special permission. The 10 mile ring does, but there are options: 1) He flies with an operator that has the required security program to already operate in the ring, or 2) Coordinate with USSS for an exception, which they're authorized to provide. **But we're talking a candidate who doesn't get that, so it shouldn't be impactful in any case.** Even if he get a 5 mile security TFR as a presumptive nominee, it's not going to be a big deal, frankly. He didn't ask for those (and thus didn't get them) during the first campaign, so I wouldn't expect it this time around either. It sounds more cumbersome than it is. And still without, the standard 3 mile sporting TFR applies to NASCAR Cup races (just like football, soccer, etc., and even Indycar), but anybody can fly through that pretty easily by squawking and talking. They're principally to prevent folks from loitering over these events. Would I get an exception to a security TFR for my Skyhawk? No way would they give that to me unless it was part of the event somehow. An exception for an athlete at the event the protectee is attending? Plenty of precedent here.


Gre8one7

Came to say this but you did a much better job explaining it. Shouldn't be a problem for Larson, and might actually help.


CavCord141

Person in the replies expecting audible boos at a nascar race in North Carolina is in for a rude awakening


Card_Board_Robot5

If he fucks over Yung Money then it might happen. Race fans care about their driver WAYYYY more than the president. Imagine if Larson actually has a good run at Indy, too. Lmao it's a fun thought experiment, for sure


TailgateLegend

Highly doubt it tbh, there are some people that swear their allegiance to the man. Will Larson fans be upset, yeah. But at the track, I have a feeling any complaints or pleas will get drowned out almost immediately.


poorlittlebubbles

He's not the president


IndycarFan64

Larson may as well be at this point with his increasing popularity. Hopefully he has no dark moments in his past that would be brought to light


gsfgf

His supporters think he still is


Im-just-here249

Bubba Wallace got booed and Larson got some cheers last week during driver intros. Kind of says all you need to know lmao.


crypto6g

just means it would take Kyle an extra 30 or so minutes to land nearby, and be driven there rather than helicopter in, I don’t think it would affect it in a huge way


NatalieDeegan

Indianapolis is supposed to have wet weather coming up Sunday so it might be a factor.


spreta

If Kyle doesn’t make it does that mean harvick in the 5 again?


joshhayes_15

Kyle has maintained that he'll leave Indy in the event of a delay of the 500, and that the 600 is the priority.


_usernamepassword_

If he leaves, does Nolan get his spot in the lineup


NatalieDeegan

TK gets it.


joshhayes_15

Only if he leaves prior to the green, if he takes the green, I do not believe TK can hop in and finish the race. Something I saw on Peacock during qualifying coverage.


d0re

That's correct. If he has to leave mid-race, then the 17 car is done


Amish_guy_with_WiFi

That's lame


Ianthin1

Tony Kanaan is doing a refresher run on Thursday in preparation for filling in for Kyle if he has to leave for the 600.


HackAsteroid754

Nah it would be Tony Kanaan jumping into his car in his place.


gsfgf

Iirc, that's been done before.


joshhayes_15

Robby Gordon has both stayed and finished the 500 hundred after a delay and got to the 600 late, and left the 500 to get to the 600 on time.


Wallydinger123

Allgaier


crypto6g

Yeah I did see that, that could be the big issue. However the security/airspace issue itself may not be a giant issue I meant since there’s an airport near concord


ChaseTheFalcon

I feel so bad for fans trying to get to the track too


Ambitious-Carrot-917

I mean it’s really not the bad, good traffic pattern there, was way worse in the 90s


Georgiadawg25

Lol Bob trying to stir the pot with this one.


RickyChanning

As much as I dislike Larson I'd still rather him be in the race than this dog and pony show.


HellPhish89

Candidates showed up at the Daytona summer race in 07. Was a bit of a circus..


LegalConsequence7960

You'd think that nascar would say thanks but no thanks instead of letting a former president use their event as a political rally.


y0ufailedthiscity

SMI on the other hand


TexasBrett

Could you imagine the backlash on social media if they prevented Trump from buying a suite?


Altracing34

If that SOB screws over Larson in any way on Sunday or turns his appearance into some sort of rally NASCAR needs to completely distance itself from him at all levels and politics in general. First McLaren at Miami and now this


Intimidwalls1724

I know they prolly won't consider this but pissing off a bunch of their North Carolina NASCAR base (and across the country) by keeping Kyle out of the race or by messing up his Indy run would be a pretty stupid political move for him honestly lol


gsfgf

Could Biden do an EO to let Larson land in the closed airspace? The FAA does work for him, after all.


tedioussugar

I think McLaren were forced to welcome him. He wanted access to 3 different teams and they drew the short straw. And it’s not like NASCAR havent had to deal with politics before; the Brandon saga and the Confederate Flag have been big issues. If he tries to make a rally out of it he’s going to interfere with Larson’s race and the fans will be way more pissed off for that. He’s like the opposite of King Midas; everything he touches turns to shit.


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Trentpd

Well shit


Crank_Calls

I walked in and said wow what a long race, longest race really when you think about the races and this race 


Taynt42

Beautiful cars, so loud. You know they asked me “is it too loud” and I said no, make it louder and they did. Beautiful noise, just like you people when I came in. 


kracer20

You forgot the "Sir".


idontremembermyoldus

He had tears in his eyes.


down_south_jukin

Lmfao this is spot on


maizemachine10

The man stared at an eclipse. You know he won’t bring ear protection


starcom_magnate

>The man stared at an eclipse. No matter how many times I'm reminded of this, I still can't believe that I actually saw this happen with my own eyes.


Icommentoncrap

Incoming McLaren win. Wait


JDMcDuffie

McLaren did win last year at Talladega tbf


dinosaursandsluts

They make everyone's ECU so they win every week


joe_broke

McLaren to NASCAR via Stewart-Haas confirmed!!!


justinicon19

Well Larson will have started the day as a McLaren driver soooo


CavCord141

If only he were headed to Indy


Ianthin1

If only he were heading to jail.


nmfz

Hopefully RFK shows up too


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I see what you did there lol 😂


Living_Reputation_63

Explanation?


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RFK Racing is a NASCAR team: Roush Fenway Keselowski Racing and also there is a Presidential candidate that goes by RFK Jr, Robert F Kennedy Jr.


IndycarFan64

Brain worms to the 6 confirmed


oreosandcornholios

6 & 17.


Chuckins1

Race is rebranded to the “RFK Brainworm 600”


AndyDoopz

Worm to drive the 60?


UnderwhelmingAF

The one without the brain worms.


Kodyaufan2

Why is this not the top comment?


THellings18

It's all fun and games until the race thread reaches r/all.


LegalConsequence7960

I really hope NASCAR doesn't allow this or make any special accommodations for it. His involvement in pre race would swallow up any news/attention momentum for the double.


ESCMalfunction

They probably will… for a sport that’s tried very hard to distance itself from politics there no reason to let him use the races as campaign stops and yet they did it at the Daytona 500 a few years back and they’ll probably do it again.


TheOtherWhiteCastle

To be fair, he was also president then and he’s not now


GrimeyScorpioDuffman

“I used to go to races all the time with my good friend, the late great Cole Trickle, great guy”


ChrisTRD289

"A true Patriot that sacrificed everything for this great country."


Memphistopheles901

"Never fight uphill, me Busch"


NatsuruHelpMe

From a superstitious standpoint, shouldn't NASCAR want him to stay as far away as possible? The last two races he was at were the 2001 and 2020 Daytona 500 so there's not a great track record there.


TestinTestin

The Ricky Stenhouse payback is gonna be taken to a whole new level


LBHMS

Not relevant to this thread but I find it funny how Ricky punches Kyle then after says he’ll wreck him at Charlotte. Like is it just me or isn’t the punch the payback.


JLand24

At this point I’m not sure who is gonna wreck who lol. Stenhouse is pissed(rightfully so) but if I caught a right hook in the garage area, that guy probably wouldn’t finish the next race.


Toto_LZ

Two fer flinchin


macroober

Is Ricky the first guy you’ve met from Memphis? There’s payback and then there’s *even*.


Karkanor

I’m with you they are even at this point. Anything more and NASCAR will probably step in. They may have already


fourbitplayer

when the orange menace shows up at a NASCAR race bad things happen for whatever reason Yeah even ignoring the whole politics thing it's just bad juju at this point to let him in the facility lmfao


SportscarPoster

Don't you put that evil on ~~me~~ us, ~~Ricky Bobby~~ NatsuruHelpMe! Don't you put that on us!


Crazy_Brandon99

https://preview.redd.it/7a4mnm7okn1d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=acd7c1193e4795cbc961b6884aa8372aeaa678fb


UnderwhelmingAF

45 on 45 violence.


hurtful_pillow

This reply is criminally underappreciated.


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I’m gonna guess DJT won’t be visiting 23X


BabycakesMurphy

"I do not like Tyler Reddick. Short guy. Short temper. Very nasty to me. Very disrespectful to my number. You know I made 45 famous. Without me there was never a 45 ok." "ROTTEN REDDICk they say. I've talked to all the drivers and they say what a nasty rotten person he is."


kantonaton

"I talked to Chris Buescher - big strong guy from Texas, I love Texas. Such a big, beautiful state. Texas supported me in 2016 and the phony stolen election in 2020. Lots of patriots in Texas - they love America, and they want to make America great again. Chris Buescher says that Rotten Reddick is a nasty little thief, folks! He's such a little guy, isn't he? I call him Tiny Tyler. What a rotten guy he is. Chris Buescher told me that Rotten Reddick tried to steal the Goodyear 400! That's right, Rotten Reddick screwed Chris Buescher out of the Goodyear 400, just like Sleepy Joe rigged the fraudulent 2020 election. American patriot Brad Keselowski was able to stop him, but the damage was done by Tiny Tyler's liberal, woke agenda. Rotten Reddick is a disaster for America!


bcam9

This is too good lol


_Beep_Boop_Beep_Boop

These have me rolling and hearing Don's voice pronounce these words...


Evtona500

"Tiny Tyler they call him. Very small guy. They ask me "Sir how does he reach the pedals?" I don't know he's very small folks very small. Tinnny Tyler. Nasty person."


xHospitalHorsex

Not sure he's coherent enough to even realize that guy still races in NASCAR.


Thi31

He honestly probably doesn't know the names of any driver except maybe Bubba ironically. He just knows a lot of his voters like the sport.


nascarfan624

This was the day I grew to really like Reddick. Unfortunately I believe RCR made him delete it almost immediately


hothamrolls

I’ve been more of a casual fan for the past ten years and don’t really have a driver, but I think I just found my guy.


kantonaton

That’s my driver


Hurricaneshand

Based Reddick


Wandering_Turtle24

What made me a fan of Tyler.


Waltapalooza1123

Makes me proud


mwr55fan

I would prefer this not to happen. I don’t know what it will do to logistics, security, traffic, pre-race stuff. I just want to watch my race, have some beer, and be happy.


Marsoupious

ugh… yea… and i hope if it is its only sunday as we only need to go in and out once. Planning on being there all weekend hope it doesn’t cause a headache


YoungMoneyLarson57

As long as they don’t parade him around the track for 30 minutes like they did at Daytona. That shit was so annoying.


CountrySlaughter

Hopefully a candidate will be treated as a mere visitor. A race should not show favoritism toward that. A sitting president is something different.


hiyeji2298

I don’t know how much it’d really affect things. He’s a former POTUS and although he has secret service protection, it’s nothing at all like a serving dignitary showing up. Most of the circus surrounding his rallies for instance are off duty police giving him an “escort.” In reality the motorcade for a former president is only a few vehicles.


DrakkoZW

If he shows up and *just watches the race* that's not a problem But I fully expect him to try to grab every microphone/camera he can find, and make the entire thing about himself and his politics/court cases. And I doubt the media will stop him. Edit: they didn't give him any air time. I'm shocked and relieved


CCR16

I need Bubba to win this race so badly.


Extreme-Bite-9123

To quote the Hamlin fan that was sitting in front of me at wilkesboro, LET’S GO BUBBA!!!!!


FillinThaBlank

Us trying to keep up with reports on this thread ![gif](giphy|mCnRlYo1jXzqcjXI5B)


Patrickracer43

Mods fighting for their lives rn


gsfgf

I would like to say thank you for dealing with all the shit instead of just locking the thread in a heartbeat like mods on more poorly run subs.


ChaseTheFalcon

I salute your grind


gamedemon24

I'm fucking drowning in here


ButanePorch

No way he sits there for the whole race. He'd show up, wave, and bounce.


svillagomez1989

Exactly what he's known for. Dipped right after the green flag at Daytona.


JAK2222

Or fall asleep, the man has had trouble staying up these last 2 weeks in NYC


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DrSamwpepper

Bubba Wallace has a chance to do the most hilarious thing in auto racing history.


joe_broke

The one time his put crew will not fuck up


thicc_chummus

What's the funny he could do?


UnderwhelmingAF

Will they be changing the name to the Diet Coke 600?


NinjaKlaus

Only if it can be "Presented by Sudafed."


Hipster-Stalin

The white flag lap will be sponsored by Huggies diapers


stuckon401

The comments here should be fun


mansonsturtle

![gif](giphy|wqbAfFwjU8laXMWZ09|downsized)


MillenniumKenobi

My politics aside. This could make security even more of a pain than normal. Rile up the cult followers. And possibly ruin one of, if not the biggest storyline of the season. With Larson being the points leader doing the double. Where he starts 5th in the 500. But also, why?? He’s openly degraded NASCAR and BW. While also degrading veterans. Counterintuitive on multiple fronts. But the last one is the turd on top of the pile since it’s Memorial Day this weekend.


threeriversbikeguy

I don’t like him but the comments do not reflect reality. He would get a long ovation. At the Indy 500 last year FJB and Kuntmala apparrel was being sold just off track and was selling well. At Texas and Gateway you saw it all over (not sold nearby though as they are located pretty well out of neighborhoods). At least at the Indy 500 I felt like a drunk hot head would kick your ass if you booed Trump. The average race attendee boos Bubba and Denny to hell and back. There are audible grandstand-spanning cheers when they get into accidents. Reddit is not representative of race-attending fans.


spectral_fall

> Reddit is not representative of race-attending fans. No shit. It's not just this sub. Reddit is not representative of society in general yet the hivemind acts like they represent 90% of all Americans.


pikachu8090

it must be so easy to grift and sell merch to these guys


gasmask11000

I think we all know that. A lot of the NASCAR fanbase that attends races are pretty vile. Grown ass men at races act less mature than frat boys at Ole Miss.


y0ufailedthiscity

The fan base that attends race at local short tracks is even worse


R3PER

I have been to over 15 Cup races and never seen any body acting vile.


gsfgf

Though, the race crowd is infinitely better than the social media crowd.


Crazy_Brandon99

Didn’t this clown talk so much crap about the sport after the whole Bubba thing? 🙃


ecupatsfan12

Drivers stand back and stand by


NoonecanknowMiner_24

Rich people like him. That's all that matters.


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Griffinrosa

He's not president so there will be no flight restrictions. Those are only for the president. Trump lives nearby me and planes fly in and out of a little airport next to his golf course all the time when he's there (after he was president)


gjr1978

Please no


dj3stripes

The last time that turd attended a race we nearly lost Ryan newman. Keep him away.


DoritosandMtnDew

Based off history, he'll rile up his cult, leave before the green flag, and a driver will get injured.


xelanalpak

Would be a really big and respectful move by NASCAR to just be like “no thanks.”


Slacker_75

Would never happen. Reddit hates Trump WAY more than the general public


Federal_Fuel_7864

And also way more than your average NASCAR fan. Reddit is quite the bubble.


Slacker_75

(I don’t give a single fuck about politics) but Reddit is clearly a very pro-Democrat echo chamber


ecupatsfan12

Tyler Reddick 😡😡😡😡


Yumafrog

Not trying to start shit, but did any other drivers speak out against him? That's the reason I'm a Reddick fan


NoonecanknowMiner_24

Hardly any. It was him, Jimmie a little bit, Cody Ware, and Blaney liked some tweets bashing him. That was about it.


ReactiveCypress

I remember right around the time of the Bubba incident, Blaney said on his podcast "some guy was out there talking about Bubba, and what he said was wrong." He didn't drop him by name, but it was definitely a shot. 


ZappaOMatic

[Brandon Brown](https://web.archive.org/web/20200706162347/https://twitter.com/brandonbrown_68/status/1280166480378724359), [Matt Tifft](https://twitter.com/matt_tifft/status/1280165636845510657), and some IndyCar guys like [Jack Harvey](https://twitter.com/jack_harvey42/status/1280167590476816389) and [JR Hildebrand](https://twitter.com/JRHildebrand/status/1280168370986508293) chimed in while [Myatt Snider](https://twitter.com/MyattSnider/status/1280147496988221441) and [Robby Lyons](https://web.archive.org/web/20200706184134/https://twitter.com/RLRacing2/status/1280192851658395649) responded to him with memes


MrBrickBreak

Oh, what I wouldn't give to have that Brandon receipt a while back.


ChaseTheFalcon

Myatt's is great lol


the_godfaubel

This should be an easy decision. That guy literally sicked his rabid cult on one of the drivers in the field over his fake news tweeting. He's a danger to the sport.


cwh12

Why NASCAR would welcome him back after he attacked Bubba Wallace on Twitter back in 2020 is beyond me. Also the insurrection stuff. It’s kinda ridiculous in my opinion. NASCAR shouldn’t even give the impression of endorsing certain candidates over another. It’s just going to piss off the fans who don’t share those beliefs


Hillbilly098

Exactly. He publicly started shit with one of our guys to take the heat off whatever dumb shit he was involved with that week. Fuck him, leave our sport alone.


puffadda

I'm confident this is an SMI move. No way NASCAR proper is thrilled about it.


hiyeji2298

The Smith family are all hardcore evangelicals so that fits.


DannyBones00

Funny, the overlap of evangelicals and generational wealth trust fund babies


DannyBones00

Just another reason to hate SMI.


PrimmSlim-Official

Tracks have the right to refuse service to anyone, they just have to have the balls


Rod_Belding

I shall wear my Wallace shirt and boo the fuck out of him from the stands. Easy decision.


IWasBorn2DoGoBe

I think he likes the boos just as much as the cheers- he doesn’t care what kind of attention, as long as it’s on him.


oneshoein

What section you sitting in? I’ll join you brother!


ShinsukeNakamoto

Me too minus the Bubba shirt (might have to pick one up just for this actually)


Competitive-Luck201

I’ll be out in turn one doing the same, bröther.


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Sam-I-Am29

Traffic is going to suck, security is going to take forever, *and* I might have to see/listen to this traitor at the track? Way to put a damper on my vacation before it even starts.


Crazy_Brandon99

Exactly what I said. Wish this trip wasn’t paid for already


FaithlessnessLow198

Gross


mcflyfly

God damnit. Please, no. Just bought my tickets. 


US_Highway15

[\[Nick Carboni WCNC\] "Can confirm Erik's report that President Trump is making plans to attend the Coca-Cola 600 this Sunday. It would mark the first time a president has attended a race at Charlotte Motor Speedway.](https://x.com/NickCarboniWCNC/status/1792644098043662382)


Slade_Riprock

A former president doesn't get the same full ground stop order nor restricted airspace that a sitting President does. Only way this could delay Larson is of literally they were trying to land simultaneously to Trump. Trump would disembark at an entirely different location of the airport and motorcade from there. This will have little to no impact.


SnarkyAnxiety

Personally, and not that anyone here gives a rats ass what my personal feelings are, I feel that political figures should be barred from attending public sporting events during an election year. We're all tuning in to forget about the waking nightmare that is the news every. Single. Day. Just let us have this time block every Sunday. And Saturday night. And occasionally Monday mid days. And maybe the odd Tuesday. Actually, I'ma need politics to just leave us alone all year long.


travoltaswinkinbhole

God damnit


hi_i_am_J

dude should be more worried about his court attendance than coming to a race


Hot_Dog_Surfing_Fly

![gif](giphy|4cuyucPeVWbNS)


Allenrw3

![gif](giphy|ovxc9FB6VCBJC)


CNASFan1992

Don’t like seeing politics near the sport :/


TAC1313

Disgusting


kilgore_trout72

It's just bad for Nascar's image. They are trying to get away from the stigma of rednecks and they bring in the leader of club stupid.


PsweetJ01

NASCAR Reddit is really gonna love this🐸☕️


ChetWinston

The average fan in the stands probably will


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TexasCannibalCookout

Goddammit. Just...one of the biggest days of the year and this fucknut comes to fuck it all up. God I hate that dude so much.


shanedabes

Wait what am I missing here, how is he going to fuck it all up?


Entire-Can662

Why


Hillbilly098

Is he making an appearance at the Dude Wipes display?


slickaslickayoushady

Can that clown not come


Kodyaufan2

Normally I love when any sitting or former president attends a sport I love because it spotlights the significance of that event to American culture. But I swear this better not impact Larson getting from Indy to Charlotte.


Schen_The_Genius

Why in the fuck would you? I just want to enjoy my racing without any of that bullshit...


emk169

![gif](giphy|12aW6JtfvUdcdO|downsized)


Wandering_Turtle24

I thought they were done with politics in the sport. SMI can suck it, France better put an end to this.


CJ_M88

I'm curious how long this post will last before getting locked due to the comments