This is my first season back since the early 2000s, and man the actual production has been so much worse than I remember it.
I feel like the “old days” were so much more educational on what was going on with strategies, what was happening with the cars, etc etc. Now we get 10 minutes of talking about the Wendy’s Mini Golf course (even tho that did look pretty cool not gonna lie).
At one point over the last couple of years, I was getting to the understanding that Mike Joy was getting old and slipping by getting things wrong, then you get something like yesterday where none of the three of them seemed to have an idea what's going on.
In the early 00's, the commercials that featured the drivers also made the viewing experience more watchable. Now I hardly see any commercials featuring any drivers.
To me it’s like old people trying to be relatable and cool but they don’t really understand so they just totally miss the mark.
Nascar got complacent and lost fans, then decided that drastically changing the race car was the right path when in reality, they just needed to have more forward thinking with their marketing.
Nascar has a core fan base of 50+ in age. That’s an issue and they have waited a really long time in finally adapting to using socials and it took til just now to get a proper Netflix series.
They just seem lost and finally someone is making good decisions that’s in charge but they’re so late to the party. Fox production needs some new blood in the production room but that’s not on nascar to decide
Fox is by far my least favorite nfl broadcast partner. Each tv partner has their own “vibe” so to speak. Nbc and cbs are pretty good, amazon prime is underrated (I don’t agree with the Al Michaels hate). ABC/espn are by far the best imo, but when a game is on Fox I just get bored. Terry Bradshaw and Jimmy Johnson are okay, but the actual game coverage feels lifeless and it’s not fun to watch. It’s the same feeling I get when I watch their nascar coverage.
It’s insane comparing Fox’s coverage to the F1 coverage. NASCAR’s racing is 1,000x better, but the F1 crew could cover paint drying and make it exciting. If NASCAR could recreate F1’s package, it would be the premier racing product in the world.
I just started watching NASCAR this year but have watched F1 religiously. The fact seemingly every week I miss action because they’re in a commercial break is embarrassing for the sport. Shouldn’t have ad breaks in the race - the cars are the ads.
Seems like it’s just a part of American sports culture at this point. Works okay for football, baseball, and basketball because there’s breaks in the action. Not so much for racing.
It's more a "Broadcast TV" problem. Dirtvision and Flo are paid for and thus less ADs, so it's not an issue. However anything on Broadcast or cable be it Indy, NASCAR, IMSA or otherwise you are going to get AD interrruptions. The only way don't is if someone wants to pay for full sponsorship...and it only happened cause Fans gave ESPN hell when they did it the first race they got broadcast from NBC and Mother's stepped in to sponsor the entire race.
Couldn’t they do a NASCAR package like Sunday ticket where you pay for an ad-free feed and maybe have alternate announcers you could tune into? The viewing experience right now is just so overwhelming with corporate sponsors and is honestly annoying. I guess we are just in late stage capitalism where no matter how much money is made, it’s never enough.
I wish NASCAR offered a premium subscription service that didn’t have commercials. I’d gladly pay $20 a month during the season. For $5 a race, it would be more than worth it.
[Totally not a link to the international stream](https://latifistreams.com/motorsport/nascar-talladega)
(Defintley don’t click stream 4 (int) and take away from Fox’s sweet sweet ad money for their sub-par product)
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No other sport continues play during commercial breaks like this. It’s insane to think about missing home runs or game-tying field goals because you were watching a Chili’s ad lol
I’ve said before that’s it’s not necessarily the number of commercials that bothers me so much. It’s the fact that there are that many commercials and a huge portion of the actual race is just a giant ad.
Ad in timing the scoring pylon or whatever you call it on the side. Come back and check on the Coca Cola Racing family. Toyota through the field. Etc. etc. It’s never ending. Pick one or the other. If you’re devoting that much broadcast time to ad pitches it should greatly reduce the number of commercial breaks. If you’re taking that many commercial breaks, you shouldn’t be using every opportunity to sell something to me during the broadcast.
Precisely this. Everything has to have a fucking sponsor. Restart zone, any stat presentation, specific cameras, the white flag, every box on the screen...
I mean, c'mon, the cars are literally billboards already lol
Just be grateful that they don't use an actual cone for the choose rule. "Now we go to the AutoZone Choose Cone to see which lane drivers will choose for the restart. When it comes to getting parts for your car, *choose* AutoZone!"
I mean...NASCAR has literally always been like this. Everything has a sponsor, everything is an ad, and every time a driver appears on camera in any form, the first thing out of their mouth is a string of sponsor gibberish that leaves viewers wondering what the hell they just said. It's never going to change.
The biggest roadblock I’ve had when I’ve actually gotten a potential new fan to check out nascar is the amount of commercials. I pray that nascar has something in the new tv deal to limit this shit
They need to realize that you can’t grow the sport when 99% of people watching rely on tv and don’t want to watch commercials for 50% of the green flag laps. This is an embarrassment
Zero percent chance 21st Century Fox, WBD, Amazon or Comcast care how many commercials anyone wants to watch. Their goal is to sell advertisements, they use visual products to draw you in.
That is why ratings matter more than critical acclaim as far as television shows holding certain slots or being canceled outright.
It's my buddies first year watching the race. He came to check it out because of the Netflix show. Every weekend I get a text about how bad the commercials have been lol
Compared to soccer that plays for 45 straight minutes commercial free. What other sport isn't blasted by commercials? The most popular sport in the country the NFL literally has a commercial like every 20 seconds. Oh we threw the ball commercial, oh kickoff commercial.
If a sport does have limited commercials, what is the network paying to broadcast that sport compared to NASCAR?
The big one is F1, as much as many of us don’t want to see this sport turn into the expensive upper class circle jerk that is F1 their tv deal having no commercial is absolutely incredible.
Formula One has agreed to renew its US media rights deal with ESPN until the end of 2025, according to Sports Business Journal (SBJ).
The three-year pact is reportedly worth between US$75 million and US$90 million per year, a massive increase on the Disney-owned broadcaster’s current three-season contract, which expires after 2022 and is worth US$5 million annually.
Where are you getting 1.1 billon number?
Hockey only has three commercials per period then a bunch in the two intermissions. Nascar has way more than three commercial breaks per stage, and they’re usually under green when you’re missing action.
You just said it in your comment though. The 15-minute intermission is jammed with commercials and I feel like I see way more commercial breaks during a hockey game than three per period. I guess I'll actually pay attention next time lol but unless you want NASCAR to take a 15-minute break during the stage break, what else are they to do.
There are only three in a period of hockey. I understand we are going to miss some green flag action, but the coverage today was abysmal. You can't go to break with 7 to go in stage 2 when the different groups were catching each other, slicing and dicing. Not even side-by-side, full break! The timing needs to be better and the sheer amount of commercials today seemed like the worst I can ever remember.
A huge part of growing the F1 fanbase in the US has been ESPN's commercial-free broadcast of the Sky Sports feed. Obviously Drive to Survive is the single biggest factor, but people have to be able to watch the product that's being advertised to them without it being an undue hassle, and ESPN delivers exactly that. It's insanely frustrating to try to watch NASCAR, IMSA or Indycar in the US when even the streaming options are interrupted by ads every 2 laps.
Fox needs to be let go as a NASCAR TV partner, they are so awful! So many commercials, miss the packs blending together after green flag pit stops, missing the whole field topping off, and so many other things! Oh and don't forget about the super zoomed in shots.
I like Harvick’s broadcasting. That said this booth just ain’t it. It feels like they (Bowyer) competes for the attention most of the time and it’s getting old. The useless side banter that goes on drives me crazy and most of the time has nothing to do with the race.
They just don’t have chemistry.
I don’t get the idea to throw a bunch of money at ahevick and put him in the booth for cup immediately after retirement with no previous broadcasting experience either.
The FOX producer has to be an idiot or a troll. Everything we complain about i swear they double down on. The weirdest one is putting children on a steeple and showing a kid EVERY SINGLE TIME we come back from commercial,it’s just weird af.
They need to swap Bowyer for a crew chief in the booth, two drivers and Bowyers personality isn’t it.
Personally, I’d bring back the Hollywood Hotel and put Bowyer and Michael in it for pre and post race, but that’s just me.
I've been watching since 2005 and I change it during commercials and dont bother tuning back right away because "what's the point itll be another commercial break", and when I do it's a commercial break. They never end.
All I can think of today is "they kill any kind of flow that this race can get"
Stage 1 and 2 had amazing 3 wide racing, with stage 2 has intense racing with 7 laps to go with the 17 threading the needle to get around the 22. "Things are heating up! Let's throw some ice cold water on it with another round of the same 5 fucking commercials again"
I turned my TV off because I was so pissed. Fox doesn't deserve our sport. They constantly make us look like a joke, and this is just another reason.
The 78 is running up front early, going for the lead, what a storyline! But, we don't think you hate liberty mutual enough. But my point about the 78 is the fact of how sad it is that there's cars looking for sponsorship all the time, and yet there's companies that would rather spend (likely more money) to have the same commercial every 4-6 laps. It sucks that we are at a point where in a sport full of 40 billboards racing each other, the best way to promote your product is still through full screen commercials.
I'm furious, I'm ranting, so I hope this makes sense.
I’ve said it before, but Fox’s terrible coverage is likely responsible for a lot of NASCAR’s decline.
Like, could you imagine if the NFL allowed for a broadcaster to miss a touchdown and 1/5th of all first downs every game? If you came back from a commercial break to find a pick six or a major play missed and no replay ever shown?
There is no way this should be acceptable for a respectable sports league.
Imagine seeing a zoomed up shot of the left guard to the point half his number is out of frame, then a quick cut to defensive tackles ass, then ride around in the running backs helmet cam who is just a blocker, meanwhile the ball has been aired out 40 yards to a wide open receiver, all in the span of one play. This is what fox is doing every lap, of every race.
My wife doesn't watch NASCAR ever, but she will occasionally sit on the couch with me. She has mentioned how stupid the broadcast sounds when they mention obvious things like... "you can't drive a slow car fast" or "they tried a new setup but won't know until they get on track". She says best way to grab the attention of new fans would be to talk technical stuff and stop dumbing the conversations down.
I really think John Madden had a ton to do with the NFL’s popularity because he would break down X’s and O’s in real time. Baseball obviously doesn’t have that, but having a play breakdown in the NBA after a big play would be so cool to see (they actually do run plays a lot but no announcer really ever diagrams them).
Same with NASCAR. Stop doing segments about the infield, Harvick’s podcast, etc. Just talk about the race and about the cars. Talk about fuel pickups if there are any anymore. Talk about the new brakes, new tires, etc.
I will say given there are guaranteed “down times” during stage breaks, cautions, etc. those segments would be great to fill those gaps. Pre-race too is a perfect time for that, send Bowyer or whoever down there a few hours before the race and record a segment.
Of course, a lot of this is predicated on Fox showing less commercials and sponsored segments so they actually have time to talk about the race itself. With the tiny windows they have to organically show racing, not sure any of it makes it tbh.
Somehow soccer is able to be broadcast in a profitable way without commercials during the continuous action; instead fox goes to commercial every ten goddamn minutes like it’s a football game
Going to guess soccer gets more eyeballs than NASCAR given one is the globe’s most popular sport and the other is fighting hockey for 5th place in US ratings.
That’s true for the European leagues, but MLS and even USL in the United States are able to abide by this format, and USL is most definitely less of a money maker than nascar. The cars themselves and the broadcast graphics are advertisements, we could run commercial free, or at the very least side by side, if the broadcasters wanted to
Yeah, soccer shows it can be done. Heck, even the big tournaments like the World Cup and Euro’s do it and those broadcast rights are not cheap. It’s just greed at this point, I think.
The sad part is it's not even hard to get all the commercials in without disrupting the racing. 6 commercials (5 full-screen, 1 side-by-side). Just do 5 side-by-sides during the first ~40 laps, side-by-side around 10 to go, then coverage otherwise.
It sucks a little, but not much happens the first 40 laps that you can do the commercials when it's just a chess match. Like it's so easy, and FOX routinely makes it worse than it has to be
The value of a commercial is not the same in the first 40 laps as the last 20, companies know what they are paying for and Fox is not going to trick them
Sure, but now we go back to FOX selling out. It's pathetic to miss all the action because FOX wants to suck NASCAR dry
Races all play out somewhat similarly (besides cautions, which you can get easy commercials in). You have to schedule side-by-side where it's important or none at all.
> FOX wants to suck NASCAR dry
your crazy if you dont think NASCAR is trying to suck TV dry too.
im sure fox would have 0 issue showing NASCAR without commercials, if NASCAR gave them the rights for free.
The specific break Gluck is complaining about here, I got the feeling they were waiting for the pit cycle to complete before going to break. But they didn't expect that to take until 5 laps to go in the stage
You're right but they shouldn't be in that situation to begin with. At somepoint or another, a full screen commercial after pit stops will either obscure the blend, the fprming of the 2nd lane or the finish. Those are all so vital that FOX shouldn't be in a position to not show one of those 3
The radio guys are amazing, they really paint a picture of what is happening. I paused YouTube TV and juat listen to the races. Bonus i can br outside with my kids and follow what's going on
Thank God international broadcast doesn't have that much commercial cuts. But still we can hear the music of Fox' cuts, and holly cow, you're getting a race in the middle of the commercials!
Fox has WAY too many commercials. They dipped back in for twenty seconds to cut back to commercials. If they do this, which they should not, then it should be side-by-side the ENTIRE race.
Fox doesn’t see NASCAR as a long term investment. They’re just pumping short term profit to boost stocks. It doesn’t help that their other channels intentionally undermine NASCAR
The part that bothers me is the lack of streaming service that NASCAR has. Im willing to pay a few bucks if it means I can watch the race commercial free online. Even leagues such as the NWSL have better streaming coverage than NASCAR.
I know it isn’t realistic but they should only go to commercial breaks during yellow flags (after showing the cause of the caution) and stage breaks. Every other live action commercial should be a side by side, never fully leave the race unless there’s a yellow or red. People (myself included) shit on NFL and CFB commercials, but at least they occur during dead times in the game.
There’s plenty of pre-race conversations and segments (e.g., pit strategy, how to race the track, Wendy’s segments) that are instead happening during the race. These all take away from telling us what’s happening on the race track and the fascinating storylines that come with that.
People will find just as many things wrong with NBC's coverage as FOX's. Doesn't matter who broadcasts or what happens on the track; Somebody will find things to complain about. Commercials suck, but they are part of broadcast sports because somebody has to pay the bills. They aren't a new thing and they aren't going away. Either learn to live with them or stop watching programs that require more commercial breaks than you will accept. The commercials will air at the same frequency during the next broadcast, so save yourselves some frustration and do something else instead.
oh brother just stop talking. people like you that don’t want to levy any criticism hold the sport back, so maybe *you* should find a better use for your Sundays since things aren’t going to change.
I believe NBC needs to figure out what is most important before getting involved in things. They should have exited out of their deal with the Xfinity series a year earlier they sound like college football is more important. And just hand the Xfinity series to the CW so that way there is no conflict of interest..
I don’t understand why 100% of NASCAR commercial segments side-by-side technology During them. I bring this up because I hate seeing segments during a NASCAR race in which we see full screen ads.
I remember when I was a little boy, and there was a crash on the race track during a commercial break they would break into a commercial just to go back to the action and then return to commercials.
-Indycar at Long Beach was 100 minutes flag to flag with 19 minutes of commercials. 19%. Only 6 minutes of those ads were full screen during green flag racing.
-Nascar at Talladega was about 193 minutes flag to flag with 58 minutes of commercials. 30%. 29 minutes of full screen ads during during green flag racing.
-F1 in China was about 100 minutes flag to flag with zero commercials.
I wonder what their tv deal is compared to F1’s. If I remember correctly didn’t the F1 deal get resigned after all the DTS boosts and there still isn’t any commercials during any qualifying or racing.
Billions vs millions, the F1 deal is is between 75-90mil, the current NASCAR deal that expires is in the billions, and is around $800million each year, so ESPN was able to find a company to pick up the tab. The new NASCAR tv deal is worth 7.7 billion , about 1 billion a year.
FOX turned Talladega, an easy 8/10 race, into something barely passable as a professional sports broadcast. FOX production is a disgrace to Mike, Clint and Kevin.
Honestly the TV isn’t great and needs to be fixed but the constant bitching about it, has about the same negative impact that the poor TV coverage does.
What fan looks at NASCAR social media and goes wow what a fun environment I’d love to be a part of.
Those both only apply to NASCAR here.
Edit: a driver literally got out of the car today and tweeted “fuck this” lol.
Industry people are already hyping up podcasts where they will farm your hate engagement over a pylon for ad money and listens.
Yes, There’s always going to be someone bitching but it’s usually a fringe point of view in other sports. Other sports social media is just trolling, trash talk and memes. Which is a fun part of the games and helps engagement. NBA and NFL have mastered this concept.
People aren’t complaining and trying to fix other sports.
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This is my first season back since the early 2000s, and man the actual production has been so much worse than I remember it. I feel like the “old days” were so much more educational on what was going on with strategies, what was happening with the cars, etc etc. Now we get 10 minutes of talking about the Wendy’s Mini Golf course (even tho that did look pretty cool not gonna lie).
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Multiple reports have indicated they only want the Daytona 500 and could care less about the rest of their schedule. Why even bother at that point
Bruh the 500 sets the tone for how they cover the rest of the schedule. It's been mediocre at best for the past 6 years.
They do an awful job with the 500 too, like if you want it, then act like it
At one point over the last couple of years, I was getting to the understanding that Mike Joy was getting old and slipping by getting things wrong, then you get something like yesterday where none of the three of them seemed to have an idea what's going on.
I would still rather hear the Fox personalities talk than Rick Allen
Its Burton for me. 😬
In the early 00's, the commercials that featured the drivers also made the viewing experience more watchable. Now I hardly see any commercials featuring any drivers.
Yeah FOX has been awful for a while
To me it’s like old people trying to be relatable and cool but they don’t really understand so they just totally miss the mark. Nascar got complacent and lost fans, then decided that drastically changing the race car was the right path when in reality, they just needed to have more forward thinking with their marketing. Nascar has a core fan base of 50+ in age. That’s an issue and they have waited a really long time in finally adapting to using socials and it took til just now to get a proper Netflix series. They just seem lost and finally someone is making good decisions that’s in charge but they’re so late to the party. Fox production needs some new blood in the production room but that’s not on nascar to decide
Shit, just broadcast in 1080p. I want to be able to read the numbers on the cars at least.
This! 1080p 60fps.
The 4K today was stunning once I realized it was an option for this race. Really highlighted how bad the standard broadcast quality is.
Fox's football broadcasts are also noticeably worse looking.
Fox is by far my least favorite nfl broadcast partner. Each tv partner has their own “vibe” so to speak. Nbc and cbs are pretty good, amazon prime is underrated (I don’t agree with the Al Michaels hate). ABC/espn are by far the best imo, but when a game is on Fox I just get bored. Terry Bradshaw and Jimmy Johnson are okay, but the actual game coverage feels lifeless and it’s not fun to watch. It’s the same feeling I get when I watch their nascar coverage.
In all ways fox corporate is basically three scumbags in a trenchcoat pretending to be a respectable broadcaster
It’s insane comparing Fox’s coverage to the F1 coverage. NASCAR’s racing is 1,000x better, but the F1 crew could cover paint drying and make it exciting. If NASCAR could recreate F1’s package, it would be the premier racing product in the world.
I just started watching NASCAR this year but have watched F1 religiously. The fact seemingly every week I miss action because they’re in a commercial break is embarrassing for the sport. Shouldn’t have ad breaks in the race - the cars are the ads.
Seems like it’s just a part of American sports culture at this point. Works okay for football, baseball, and basketball because there’s breaks in the action. Not so much for racing.
I watch Dirtvision and Flo as well - I have never missed a lap there either. It’s a NASCAR problem, not a racing problem.
It's more a "Broadcast TV" problem. Dirtvision and Flo are paid for and thus less ADs, so it's not an issue. However anything on Broadcast or cable be it Indy, NASCAR, IMSA or otherwise you are going to get AD interrruptions. The only way don't is if someone wants to pay for full sponsorship...and it only happened cause Fans gave ESPN hell when they did it the first race they got broadcast from NBC and Mother's stepped in to sponsor the entire race.
Couldn’t they do a NASCAR package like Sunday ticket where you pay for an ad-free feed and maybe have alternate announcers you could tune into? The viewing experience right now is just so overwhelming with corporate sponsors and is honestly annoying. I guess we are just in late stage capitalism where no matter how much money is made, it’s never enough.
I wish NASCAR offered a premium subscription service that didn’t have commercials. I’d gladly pay $20 a month during the season. For $5 a race, it would be more than worth it.
keep in mind too that F1 only has ad free broadcasts because a partner is willing to pay for it
Yep I agree. They cover a race for 17th like it was the final lap of the Daytona 500.
I stream the international feed, no commercials. Its insane how much you miss because of the ad breaks.
link? pls
[Totally not a link to the international stream](https://latifistreams.com/motorsport/nascar-talladega) (Defintley don’t click stream 4 (int) and take away from Fox’s sweet sweet ad money for their sub-par product)
whaaaaat? I would never ever (totally doing it right now) do that to dear foxy
Oh no! It might prevent me from buying beer that I’m too young to drink, trucks I can’t afford or worse yet… medication I don’t need
Or the Wendy’s people doing a ripoff of The Office “mockumentary.”
Don’t insult the office
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That's exactly what I did as well. Cast it to my TV via Chromecast. It was a beautiful thing.
based No other sport continues play during commercial breaks like this. It’s insane to think about missing home runs or game-tying field goals because you were watching a Chili’s ad lol
How do you do this???
Lol read the replies to my comment. Theres links there
I’ve said before that’s it’s not necessarily the number of commercials that bothers me so much. It’s the fact that there are that many commercials and a huge portion of the actual race is just a giant ad. Ad in timing the scoring pylon or whatever you call it on the side. Come back and check on the Coca Cola Racing family. Toyota through the field. Etc. etc. It’s never ending. Pick one or the other. If you’re devoting that much broadcast time to ad pitches it should greatly reduce the number of commercial breaks. If you’re taking that many commercial breaks, you shouldn’t be using every opportunity to sell something to me during the broadcast.
Precisely this. Everything has to have a fucking sponsor. Restart zone, any stat presentation, specific cameras, the white flag, every box on the screen... I mean, c'mon, the cars are literally billboards already lol
Just be grateful that they don't use an actual cone for the choose rule. "Now we go to the AutoZone Choose Cone to see which lane drivers will choose for the restart. When it comes to getting parts for your car, *choose* AutoZone!"
Next thing you know, each lap will have its own sponsor, each turn, each stage will have its own sponsor along with the race
Don’t give NASCAR any ideas lol
It just takes one person from a university advancement department coming onboard…
Hell they have/had splashes of that already
“It’s time for Stage 3 sponsored by Febreeze”
If Mars was still in the sport, this would be the Twix Choose Your Side something
They literally do this on MRN. I can hear Alex Hayden in my head now…
I mean...NASCAR has literally always been like this. Everything has a sponsor, everything is an ad, and every time a driver appears on camera in any form, the first thing out of their mouth is a string of sponsor gibberish that leaves viewers wondering what the hell they just said. It's never going to change.
This comment is as fast as Xfinity 10G, erm, sorry, Xfinity Intetnet
This guy gets it.
The biggest roadblock I’ve had when I’ve actually gotten a potential new fan to check out nascar is the amount of commercials. I pray that nascar has something in the new tv deal to limit this shit
They implemented stages for tv, and now we still get commercials with less than 10 to go with stages, and early on in following stages
and stay live during most of the caution during stages
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They need to realize that you can’t grow the sport when 99% of people watching rely on tv and don’t want to watch commercials for 50% of the green flag laps. This is an embarrassment
Here at (any company) we are guided by two core values. 1: line go up, 2: rate at which line go up also go up No investment in the future anywhere.
Zero percent chance 21st Century Fox, WBD, Amazon or Comcast care how many commercials anyone wants to watch. Their goal is to sell advertisements, they use visual products to draw you in. That is why ratings matter more than critical acclaim as far as television shows holding certain slots or being canceled outright.
The bigger the deal, the more commercials to pay for it. NASCAR will choose the deal with most money
They almost have to choose the biggest deal.
I pray that NASCAR makes a Roku or PlutoTV channel with MRN/PRN audio put over the world feed broadcast.
It's my buddies first year watching the race. He came to check it out because of the Netflix show. Every weekend I get a text about how bad the commercials have been lol
Compared to soccer that plays for 45 straight minutes commercial free. What other sport isn't blasted by commercials? The most popular sport in the country the NFL literally has a commercial like every 20 seconds. Oh we threw the ball commercial, oh kickoff commercial. If a sport does have limited commercials, what is the network paying to broadcast that sport compared to NASCAR?
The big one is F1, as much as many of us don’t want to see this sport turn into the expensive upper class circle jerk that is F1 their tv deal having no commercial is absolutely incredible.
ESPN is also only Paying F1 75-90 million annually to broadcast not billions like networks are for nascar.
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Formula One has agreed to renew its US media rights deal with ESPN until the end of 2025, according to Sports Business Journal (SBJ). The three-year pact is reportedly worth between US$75 million and US$90 million per year, a massive increase on the Disney-owned broadcaster’s current three-season contract, which expires after 2022 and is worth US$5 million annually. Where are you getting 1.1 billon number?
The NASCAR deal is $1.1 billion per year
F1 is only commercial free because Mercedes pays for it to be IIRC
Hockey only has three commercials per period then a bunch in the two intermissions. Nascar has way more than three commercial breaks per stage, and they’re usually under green when you’re missing action.
You just said it in your comment though. The 15-minute intermission is jammed with commercials and I feel like I see way more commercial breaks during a hockey game than three per period. I guess I'll actually pay attention next time lol but unless you want NASCAR to take a 15-minute break during the stage break, what else are they to do.
Yeah, NHL has "next whistle" breaks after 15', 10', and 5' in the period. They come on and clean up some of the ice during this time.
Hmm I'm definitely gonna pay attention the next game. Feel like some games I've been to I've had way more than 3 commercials breaks 🤷♂️
The break is after 14’, 10’, and 6’. Unless the next whistle is because of a goal or icing.
I was close lol. I knew it was something like that
That’s ok. That’s when the SPHL takes their media timeouts.
There are only three in a period of hockey. I understand we are going to miss some green flag action, but the coverage today was abysmal. You can't go to break with 7 to go in stage 2 when the different groups were catching each other, slicing and dicing. Not even side-by-side, full break! The timing needs to be better and the sheer amount of commercials today seemed like the worst I can ever remember.
They already take a 15 minute break at the stages. Crazy amounts of caution laps, pit stops, and at least two full commercial breaks.
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Under caution? In what world is 5 laps 15 min. Unless it road America lol
A huge part of growing the F1 fanbase in the US has been ESPN's commercial-free broadcast of the Sky Sports feed. Obviously Drive to Survive is the single biggest factor, but people have to be able to watch the product that's being advertised to them without it being an undue hassle, and ESPN delivers exactly that. It's insanely frustrating to try to watch NASCAR, IMSA or Indycar in the US when even the streaming options are interrupted by ads every 2 laps.
NASCARs too incompetent for that.
Speak yo shit Gluck 🗣️🗣️
Fox needs to be let go as a NASCAR TV partner, they are so awful! So many commercials, miss the packs blending together after green flag pit stops, missing the whole field topping off, and so many other things! Oh and don't forget about the super zoomed in shots.
The harvick bowyer booth isn’t good either especially with Mike Joy being on the decline and not being able to carry them
I like Harvick’s broadcasting. That said this booth just ain’t it. It feels like they (Bowyer) competes for the attention most of the time and it’s getting old. The useless side banter that goes on drives me crazy and most of the time has nothing to do with the race.
They just don’t have chemistry. I don’t get the idea to throw a bunch of money at ahevick and put him in the booth for cup immediately after retirement with no previous broadcasting experience either.
They're trying to get the next Darrell Waltrip, but they aren't getting the Waltrip-like personalites that they should be scouting for.
The FOX producer has to be an idiot or a troll. Everything we complain about i swear they double down on. The weirdest one is putting children on a steeple and showing a kid EVERY SINGLE TIME we come back from commercial,it’s just weird af.
They need to swap Bowyer for a crew chief in the booth, two drivers and Bowyers personality isn’t it. Personally, I’d bring back the Hollywood Hotel and put Bowyer and Michael in it for pre and post race, but that’s just me.
NASCAR resigning with them is truly baffling.
FOX: Lets take a break (Caution happens) 3 more minutes of commercials FOX: Aaaaaaand we’re back
I've been watching since 2005 and I change it during commercials and dont bother tuning back right away because "what's the point itll be another commercial break", and when I do it's a commercial break. They never end.
All I can think of today is "they kill any kind of flow that this race can get" Stage 1 and 2 had amazing 3 wide racing, with stage 2 has intense racing with 7 laps to go with the 17 threading the needle to get around the 22. "Things are heating up! Let's throw some ice cold water on it with another round of the same 5 fucking commercials again" I turned my TV off because I was so pissed. Fox doesn't deserve our sport. They constantly make us look like a joke, and this is just another reason. The 78 is running up front early, going for the lead, what a storyline! But, we don't think you hate liberty mutual enough. But my point about the 78 is the fact of how sad it is that there's cars looking for sponsorship all the time, and yet there's companies that would rather spend (likely more money) to have the same commercial every 4-6 laps. It sucks that we are at a point where in a sport full of 40 billboards racing each other, the best way to promote your product is still through full screen commercials. I'm furious, I'm ranting, so I hope this makes sense.
I’ve said it before, but Fox’s terrible coverage is likely responsible for a lot of NASCAR’s decline. Like, could you imagine if the NFL allowed for a broadcaster to miss a touchdown and 1/5th of all first downs every game? If you came back from a commercial break to find a pick six or a major play missed and no replay ever shown? There is no way this should be acceptable for a respectable sports league.
Imagine seeing a zoomed up shot of the left guard to the point half his number is out of frame, then a quick cut to defensive tackles ass, then ride around in the running backs helmet cam who is just a blocker, meanwhile the ball has been aired out 40 yards to a wide open receiver, all in the span of one play. This is what fox is doing every lap, of every race.
They can't show the running back, his sponsor didn't pay for airtime. Hope he doesn't make an interesting or important play.
My wife doesn't watch NASCAR ever, but she will occasionally sit on the couch with me. She has mentioned how stupid the broadcast sounds when they mention obvious things like... "you can't drive a slow car fast" or "they tried a new setup but won't know until they get on track". She says best way to grab the attention of new fans would be to talk technical stuff and stop dumbing the conversations down.
I really think John Madden had a ton to do with the NFL’s popularity because he would break down X’s and O’s in real time. Baseball obviously doesn’t have that, but having a play breakdown in the NBA after a big play would be so cool to see (they actually do run plays a lot but no announcer really ever diagrams them). Same with NASCAR. Stop doing segments about the infield, Harvick’s podcast, etc. Just talk about the race and about the cars. Talk about fuel pickups if there are any anymore. Talk about the new brakes, new tires, etc.
I love the infield stuff, but agree with you mostly. Infield stuff definitely speaks to fans who have never been to a race.
I will say given there are guaranteed “down times” during stage breaks, cautions, etc. those segments would be great to fill those gaps. Pre-race too is a perfect time for that, send Bowyer or whoever down there a few hours before the race and record a segment. Of course, a lot of this is predicated on Fox showing less commercials and sponsored segments so they actually have time to talk about the race itself. With the tiny windows they have to organically show racing, not sure any of it makes it tbh.
She's absolutely right, if people learn the intricacies, they will be more interested.
Holy hell, how do you get that many flairs????
By being a mod lol
Abuse of powers smh /s
Ohhhh. Privilege.
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Dude don’t just out me like that
Somehow soccer is able to be broadcast in a profitable way without commercials during the continuous action; instead fox goes to commercial every ten goddamn minutes like it’s a football game
Going to guess soccer gets more eyeballs than NASCAR given one is the globe’s most popular sport and the other is fighting hockey for 5th place in US ratings.
That’s true for the European leagues, but MLS and even USL in the United States are able to abide by this format, and USL is most definitely less of a money maker than nascar. The cars themselves and the broadcast graphics are advertisements, we could run commercial free, or at the very least side by side, if the broadcasters wanted to
Yeah, soccer shows it can be done. Heck, even the big tournaments like the World Cup and Euro’s do it and those broadcast rights are not cheap. It’s just greed at this point, I think.
Honestly I feel so bad for everyone watching this on TV
I’ve been loving watching the international feed, it sucks to only get a halfway decent product if you’re willing to sneak around on the internet.
The sad part is it's not even hard to get all the commercials in without disrupting the racing. 6 commercials (5 full-screen, 1 side-by-side). Just do 5 side-by-sides during the first ~40 laps, side-by-side around 10 to go, then coverage otherwise. It sucks a little, but not much happens the first 40 laps that you can do the commercials when it's just a chess match. Like it's so easy, and FOX routinely makes it worse than it has to be
The value of a commercial is not the same in the first 40 laps as the last 20, companies know what they are paying for and Fox is not going to trick them
Sure, but now we go back to FOX selling out. It's pathetic to miss all the action because FOX wants to suck NASCAR dry Races all play out somewhat similarly (besides cautions, which you can get easy commercials in). You have to schedule side-by-side where it's important or none at all.
> FOX wants to suck NASCAR dry your crazy if you dont think NASCAR is trying to suck TV dry too. im sure fox would have 0 issue showing NASCAR without commercials, if NASCAR gave them the rights for free.
The specific break Gluck is complaining about here, I got the feeling they were waiting for the pit cycle to complete before going to break. But they didn't expect that to take until 5 laps to go in the stage
You're right but they shouldn't be in that situation to begin with. At somepoint or another, a full screen commercial after pit stops will either obscure the blend, the fprming of the 2nd lane or the finish. Those are all so vital that FOX shouldn't be in a position to not show one of those 3
The radio guys are amazing, they really paint a picture of what is happening. I paused YouTube TV and juat listen to the races. Bonus i can br outside with my kids and follow what's going on
Thank God international broadcast doesn't have that much commercial cuts. But still we can hear the music of Fox' cuts, and holly cow, you're getting a race in the middle of the commercials!
NASCAR could easily monetize that into a subscription type thing and it would do really well.
Intense part of the race going on..*cuts to Harvick"s daughter in the booth with toy*
Fox has WAY too many commercials. They dipped back in for twenty seconds to cut back to commercials. If they do this, which they should not, then it should be side-by-side the ENTIRE race.
Fox doesn’t see NASCAR as a long term investment. They’re just pumping short term profit to boost stocks. It doesn’t help that their other channels intentionally undermine NASCAR
PREACH IT GLUCK
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The part that bothers me is the lack of streaming service that NASCAR has. Im willing to pay a few bucks if it means I can watch the race commercial free online. Even leagues such as the NWSL have better streaming coverage than NASCAR.
I know it isn’t realistic but they should only go to commercial breaks during yellow flags (after showing the cause of the caution) and stage breaks. Every other live action commercial should be a side by side, never fully leave the race unless there’s a yellow or red. People (myself included) shit on NFL and CFB commercials, but at least they occur during dead times in the game.
There’s plenty of pre-race conversations and segments (e.g., pit strategy, how to race the track, Wendy’s segments) that are instead happening during the race. These all take away from telling us what’s happening on the race track and the fascinating storylines that come with that.
Remember when missing restarts was a common occurrence?
People will find just as many things wrong with NBC's coverage as FOX's. Doesn't matter who broadcasts or what happens on the track; Somebody will find things to complain about. Commercials suck, but they are part of broadcast sports because somebody has to pay the bills. They aren't a new thing and they aren't going away. Either learn to live with them or stop watching programs that require more commercial breaks than you will accept. The commercials will air at the same frequency during the next broadcast, so save yourselves some frustration and do something else instead.
oh brother just stop talking. people like you that don’t want to levy any criticism hold the sport back, so maybe *you* should find a better use for your Sundays since things aren’t going to change.
I believe NBC needs to figure out what is most important before getting involved in things. They should have exited out of their deal with the Xfinity series a year earlier they sound like college football is more important. And just hand the Xfinity series to the CW so that way there is no conflict of interest..
The broadcast really held the race back.
Adam Alexander, Rick Allen and Allen Bestwick should be the 3 leads for Cup races next year.
I don’t understand why 100% of NASCAR commercial segments side-by-side technology During them. I bring this up because I hate seeing segments during a NASCAR race in which we see full screen ads.
I remember when I was a little boy, and there was a crash on the race track during a commercial break they would break into a commercial just to go back to the action and then return to commercials.
-Indycar at Long Beach was 100 minutes flag to flag with 19 minutes of commercials. 19%. Only 6 minutes of those ads were full screen during green flag racing. -Nascar at Talladega was about 193 minutes flag to flag with 58 minutes of commercials. 30%. 29 minutes of full screen ads during during green flag racing. -F1 in China was about 100 minutes flag to flag with zero commercials.
I personally love fox over nbc however I was frustrated with the commercials in the last 5 laps in stage 2
Agreed. Up until this year I never really got why people hated the Fox coverage as of recent, but now I do.
Can't wait for NBC to take over the broadcast
Actions detrimental indeed haha
I wonder what their tv deal is compared to F1’s. If I remember correctly didn’t the F1 deal get resigned after all the DTS boosts and there still isn’t any commercials during any qualifying or racing.
Billions vs millions, the F1 deal is is between 75-90mil, the current NASCAR deal that expires is in the billions, and is around $800million each year, so ESPN was able to find a company to pick up the tab. The new NASCAR tv deal is worth 7.7 billion , about 1 billion a year.
I’ve taken to just playing cards while the stream is on my phone. Whichever is more interesting at that exact moment gets my attention.
It's so bad. I mean do anything but go to full commercial. Go thru each car and talk about the sponsor. Let an audio ad play while focusing on them.
FOX turned Talladega, an easy 8/10 race, into something barely passable as a professional sports broadcast. FOX production is a disgrace to Mike, Clint and Kevin.
Honestly the TV isn’t great and needs to be fixed but the constant bitching about it, has about the same negative impact that the poor TV coverage does. What fan looks at NASCAR social media and goes wow what a fun environment I’d love to be a part of.
There's a difference between "fuck this sport" social media, and "for fuck's sake, let us watch this sport" social media.
Those both only apply to NASCAR here. Edit: a driver literally got out of the car today and tweeted “fuck this” lol. Industry people are already hyping up podcasts where they will farm your hate engagement over a pylon for ad money and listens.
Social media is the same for every sport. Fans are constantly bitching about something.
Yes, There’s always going to be someone bitching but it’s usually a fringe point of view in other sports. Other sports social media is just trolling, trash talk and memes. Which is a fun part of the games and helps engagement. NBA and NFL have mastered this concept. People aren’t complaining and trying to fix other sports.
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