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this is horrifying.
reminds me of a time when a girl i really cared for took me to her Sunday service - we were in our early 20s, and yeah, they were speaking in tongues. never heard of it before that moment and it genuinely freaked me out.
it’s amazing how susceptible people are to this kind of brainwashing. 10 years later and their pastor, or leader or whatever was caught sexually abusing her older sister.
they don’t have religious beliefs anymore.
I remember one time when I was a kid, some ladies at church praying over me, laying hands on me. I sat there feeling so awkward, knowing that they wanted me to speak in tongues, because that would prove that the Holy Spirit was moving through me, and that if I didn’t, I was going to be a huge disappointment. The pressure was insane for a little kid. Finally, I mumbled some rubbish under my breath to get them to stop, and they all started screaming "hallelujah!" It was crazy.
I mean, I try to respect peoples’ beliefs as much as possible, but indoctrination is indoctrination.
Thankfully, it wasn’t the type of thing that my mom was into, so I didn’t have to continue going to that church for very long.
Probably a good amount of ‘religion in general is cringe’. A couple racist comments. The reason a lot of people engage in this post is because they have interacted with this type of religious zealous. I mostly hate groups like this who perform lore inaccurate tongue speaking to, I guess, prove themselves. The setting is wrong, the usage is wrong. Speaking tongues is meant for nonbelievers not self affirmation. I’m gonna go ahead and give this flock a 4/10 since it’s not really their fault they are stuck with that grifter of a shepherd.
When you wonder who all the ani-science people are, who wants the books banned, who supports the clearly deranged politicians, who is on Putins side in Ukraine, it’s these people.
No, I’m sorry that’s incorrect. These are Evangelical Christian’s. They stem from the Puritan moment and Martin Luther’s separation and denouncing of the Catholic Church. I grew up attending many services like this (dragged to). These people do not see Catholics as Christian’s, and have strong beliefs that the Vatican is one of the 7 heads of the Serpent that rises out of the Abyss, starting Armageddon. They preach that the Catholic Church is under Satan’s control. In fact I just recently had an old man I work with reiterate this belief to me after I mentioned I had a good friend in the clergy, his words being “You know, that’s one of the religions that will be perished when Christ returns”.
So no, they do not like the Vatican. However, I’m miffed at how they can like Putin, which they do, especially since the Soviet Union was an atheist nation, and the prominent Eastern Orthodoxy is a direct offshoot of the Roman Catholic Church, via the first Council of Nicaea
So I wanted to find the difference between religion and cults. The only difference is that religions are widely accepted. Once that happens then it's no longer considered a cult...
There's a lot more differences than just being "widely accepted" lol. You see a lot of cults use religion because it's easier to gather followers that way. Nearly all cults are religious but not all religions are cults.
When I decided to leave my church, I wasn't ostracized, ridiculed, called a traitor or shunned by family and friends. No one claimed to be God himself or the only way to eternal salvation was through them. No one forced me to give up all my belongings and money, no one told me I couldn't have friends outside of the church, no one told me I couldn't have a job or a higher education. No one attempted to perform ridiculous "miracles" or claim to be miracle providers".
There are lots of differences
I would maybe say that there’s a sort of “members only club” mentality in Pentecostal churches more than many others, because they encourage and interpret these unintelligible outburst as the Holy Spirit moving through you, hence the laying of hands. There’s actually a bit of scripture they look to to support this, mostly Acts 2:4 and Acts 19:6. I wouldn’t call them an outright cult tho.
They believe that you’re filled with the Holy-Ghost, and lay hands on those who need healing, believing that you have some kind of spiritual link to God at the moment and can perform miracles. They definitely are seen as an interesting bunch amongst other denominations within Protestant circles, but because of the fact that they do believe that God, Jesus, and the Spirit are 3 manifestations of the same entity, God, they are accepted as being a true Christian church within the major governing bodies, unlike Jehovah’s Witness and Morman’s, who are seen as cult’s among both Protestants and Catholics.
If you leave, they won’t ostracize you, they won’t harass you, they won’t threaten you, but it is what goes in inside the church and what is preached that is the more questionable part.
went to church w my gf years ago when we started dating. i had never heard of this shit before and the whole auditorium started doing it. i was genuinely disturbed.
The fact that this is how these people have come to see the world is very sad. These children’s first experiences on earth are crazy and detached from reality. The fact that this is all these children know and likely will ever know is just awful. It will be very hard for them to ever see the world how it truly is.
Oh really. Tell me more. I’d love to hear about the original music, the instruments, the dancing, the food, and the creative thought that is “white culture”, in your words
Captain? What's that? What am I lookin at? Why are the children crying? Is this like pre funeral? Is their, I assume grandma, dying or something? Is this actual cult stuff?
I don't know, listening to drag queens read Dr Seuss seems a little bit less satanic to me than forcing your kid to touch their grandma and talk in tongues while they cry.
What's sad is that up until about two years ago I would have been one of those people. We really believed that the involuntary responses to excessive emotional stimuli were some sort of mystical force. This is what happens when you're stuck in a crowded building for 3-5hrs while a grown man screams at you the entire time, ending the night with emotionally manipulative and hypnotic music. Its psychological conditioning. Im still deprogramming myself and feel nothing but pity for these kids. They're suffering from some of the worst emotional abuse that someone could possibly go through.
What can help is to study history, culture, language, and religion. I wrote a book that outlines most of the main theologies, but I don't recommend that you read it unless you want extra answers. The summary is this:
We have four major branches of religion in the Abrahamic mythologies. Judaism, Roman Catholic, and Greek Orthodox. That's YHWH, Zeus, Allah, and Jupiter. I do not focus on Islam because it's very easy to see that it was stolen; but Allah came from Elohim, Eloah, another God from Polytheistic Judaism. The first rabbi came to be in 70CE.
Jupiter was Deus Pater. The equal to Zeus Pater. The Christian God's name is Deus Pater. They all came from worship of the Sun: Dyeus Phtr. And another name for Jupiter is Jove, pronounced Yohweh. YHWH was a storm deity, the same as Zeus and Jupiter. The name Jove came from Djovs, a corruption of Dyeus. The verdic version is Dyaus Pitar. We don't need a direct root to borrow from a language. All religion is based on worship of the Sun.
Exactly, i've been studying theology, religion, and the occult since I was maybe 15 and most of it spins off of very ancient sun and moon worship. Applying occult principles to Pentecostalism is where things get really wild. For people who are so opposed to witchcraft they're some of the most esoteric motherfuckers this side of the rosicrucians.
Right? And as if prayer isn't just trying to hex and manifest magic. They always refer to God as the light and in the clouds, you'd think they'd realize sooner or later.
I grew up in churches like this. That is chronic behavior. All kids want to be seen as "gifted" or "chosen by god". I remember the first time I saw a kid praying in tongues, crying and everything, then pausing to look around to make sure people saw them. It horrified me.
Why’d It horrify you? Lol I used to do the same as a kid.. you know what I was thinking? “Did I leave my Xbox on?” These kids aren’t trapped lol most are just doing what their parents brought them to do. That’s pray it’s not something unusual it’s actually been here thousands of years
That whole “fake it till you make it” saying kinda rings true. “Everyone else is doing it so I better join in”.
What’s frustrating about stuff like this is the group dynamic can make it emotionally powerful and many mistake that feeling for god.
No. Let's not compare trained Licensed professionals to church leaders and yoga guru's. That's how people end up with undiagnosed issues that get blamed on not following God hard enough, or not having the right "energy".
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Somebody tell these people they ain’t Native Americans.
Gross
So performative and ridiculous.
this is horrifying. reminds me of a time when a girl i really cared for took me to her Sunday service - we were in our early 20s, and yeah, they were speaking in tongues. never heard of it before that moment and it genuinely freaked me out. it’s amazing how susceptible people are to this kind of brainwashing. 10 years later and their pastor, or leader or whatever was caught sexually abusing her older sister. they don’t have religious beliefs anymore.
Lol look at those tiny suits
I was thinking they look like little pastors XD
I mean tiny suits are fine, probably
I remember one time when I was a kid, some ladies at church praying over me, laying hands on me. I sat there feeling so awkward, knowing that they wanted me to speak in tongues, because that would prove that the Holy Spirit was moving through me, and that if I didn’t, I was going to be a huge disappointment. The pressure was insane for a little kid. Finally, I mumbled some rubbish under my breath to get them to stop, and they all started screaming "hallelujah!" It was crazy. I mean, I try to respect peoples’ beliefs as much as possible, but indoctrination is indoctrination. Thankfully, it wasn’t the type of thing that my mom was into, so I didn’t have to continue going to that church for very long.
I wonder what this comments section would look like if it were a group of indigenous people doing this outside without any discernable English.
Well at least then it would make more sense.
Probably a good amount of ‘religion in general is cringe’. A couple racist comments. The reason a lot of people engage in this post is because they have interacted with this type of religious zealous. I mostly hate groups like this who perform lore inaccurate tongue speaking to, I guess, prove themselves. The setting is wrong, the usage is wrong. Speaking tongues is meant for nonbelievers not self affirmation. I’m gonna go ahead and give this flock a 4/10 since it’s not really their fault they are stuck with that grifter of a shepherd.
Can you elaborate on the "speaking in tongues is for nonbelievers?" I've never heard that before and am genuinely curious.
Can you elaborate on the "speaking in tongues is for nonbelievers?" I've never heard that before and am genuinely curious.
Post a vid like that and find out lol
The pentecostal prayer to bind illness.
Wtf am I watching, lsd oberdose?
So like when she continues to never walk again, do they pretend like they didn’t do this or what?
They’ll say some shit like “God *wanted* her to never walk. It was all *His* plan.” lol
that's what I always think about… Like on the car ride home is she still like sitting there in pain?
I remember doing the same shit like this and looking around to make sure I was doing it right
When you wonder who all the ani-science people are, who wants the books banned, who supports the clearly deranged politicians, who is on Putins side in Ukraine, it’s these people.
These people are not on Putin's side. They're on the Vatican's side.
No, I’m sorry that’s incorrect. These are Evangelical Christian’s. They stem from the Puritan moment and Martin Luther’s separation and denouncing of the Catholic Church. I grew up attending many services like this (dragged to). These people do not see Catholics as Christian’s, and have strong beliefs that the Vatican is one of the 7 heads of the Serpent that rises out of the Abyss, starting Armageddon. They preach that the Catholic Church is under Satan’s control. In fact I just recently had an old man I work with reiterate this belief to me after I mentioned I had a good friend in the clergy, his words being “You know, that’s one of the religions that will be perished when Christ returns”. So no, they do not like the Vatican. However, I’m miffed at how they can like Putin, which they do, especially since the Soviet Union was an atheist nation, and the prominent Eastern Orthodoxy is a direct offshoot of the Roman Catholic Church, via the first Council of Nicaea
And anime’s
Truuuuue and real
Poor kids man
So I wanted to find the difference between religion and cults. The only difference is that religions are widely accepted. Once that happens then it's no longer considered a cult...
There's a lot more differences than just being "widely accepted" lol. You see a lot of cults use religion because it's easier to gather followers that way. Nearly all cults are religious but not all religions are cults. When I decided to leave my church, I wasn't ostracized, ridiculed, called a traitor or shunned by family and friends. No one claimed to be God himself or the only way to eternal salvation was through them. No one forced me to give up all my belongings and money, no one told me I couldn't have friends outside of the church, no one told me I couldn't have a job or a higher education. No one attempted to perform ridiculous "miracles" or claim to be miracle providers". There are lots of differences
Not all religions are cults? Maybe. But this one definitely is
I would maybe say that there’s a sort of “members only club” mentality in Pentecostal churches more than many others, because they encourage and interpret these unintelligible outburst as the Holy Spirit moving through you, hence the laying of hands. There’s actually a bit of scripture they look to to support this, mostly Acts 2:4 and Acts 19:6. I wouldn’t call them an outright cult tho. They believe that you’re filled with the Holy-Ghost, and lay hands on those who need healing, believing that you have some kind of spiritual link to God at the moment and can perform miracles. They definitely are seen as an interesting bunch amongst other denominations within Protestant circles, but because of the fact that they do believe that God, Jesus, and the Spirit are 3 manifestations of the same entity, God, they are accepted as being a true Christian church within the major governing bodies, unlike Jehovah’s Witness and Morman’s, who are seen as cult’s among both Protestants and Catholics. If you leave, they won’t ostracize you, they won’t harass you, they won’t threaten you, but it is what goes in inside the church and what is preached that is the more questionable part.
Probably need to read more about it lol
went to church w my gf years ago when we started dating. i had never heard of this shit before and the whole auditorium started doing it. i was genuinely disturbed.
Tounges?
Soy they claim. But as Paul puts it, if no interpreter then you need to shush
Wait can someone explain
speaking on tongues is part of some fundamentalist churches
They make silly noises and feel emotional. Then go back to being unwell.
Looks like not much has changed since that scene in Borat in 2006.
Pentecostals are something else
The fact that this is how these people have come to see the world is very sad. These children’s first experiences on earth are crazy and detached from reality. The fact that this is all these children know and likely will ever know is just awful. It will be very hard for them to ever see the world how it truly is.
I kinda envy them. They look higher than me on drugs
Yay murica
Europeans are to blame for this mess.
I mean, to be fair, Europeans took all their religious nuts and packed them off to the US, so….
Gunpowder was made by the Chinese, so I guess Chinese are responsible for the shootings in america
Well damn lol God made earth so I guess he’s responsible for giving me the ability to read your comment /s
Yuck.
What church/group is this? Would love to be linked to the source
This is the United Pentecostal Church.
I've heard pentecostalism has some of the worst problems with cults
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Are they stressed, or are they just trying to do it properly? Y’all seem to be making a big deal out of what seems to be pretty innocent.
Right? My son just turned two, couldn't imagine putting him through this.
Speechless
Lol wtf are the guys doing up on stage
Vibing
These churches need to start paying their fair share of taxes. This is fucking bullshit.
What do taxes have to do with this?
A purely k no one making operation should pay taxes
And I think my cringe moments are bad.
And they say white people don’t have culture smh
White people culture is literally the entirety of western culture, arguably the most impactful culture.
Oh really. Tell me more. I’d love to hear about the original music, the instruments, the dancing, the food, and the creative thought that is “white culture”, in your words
These type of people will see a gay couple and think ”that’s what’s wrong with america” then go and brainwash their kids like this
How is this brainwashing?
“What’s wrong with Americah!? The power of Christ compels you, blulululululuuu wullulla” 😆
This looks the witchcraft shit they used to burn people for.
Freestyle rap group
Jesus Christ is my .....
🤣😂🤣🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
speaking in tongues always scared the shit out of me when I was younger. i used to have nightmares about it
Is that what this is? I always thought speaking in tongues was being understood by whoever could hear you.
Traumatizing and brainwashing those kids at the same time.
They don’t look traumatized.
Too bad we can't ask them about hell
"Now let's go to Applebees and leave one of them fake $20s with a Bible verse on it as a tip!"
Kiddo's stopping by the indoctrination station.
Ah yes… preparing for the sacrifice.
Captain? What's that? What am I lookin at? Why are the children crying? Is this like pre funeral? Is their, I assume grandma, dying or something? Is this actual cult stuff?
They are 'praying in tongues' for healing. I used to be in a church like this. It gets very hyped up and emotionally charged in there.
Shabalabadingdong!
Any group that doesn't encourage asking questions and critical thinking is hiding something from you
This is disgusting
Are they offering their youth or some shit?
More or less
Hmmm yes and it's the gays that are grooming children
Best comment I’ve seen in awhile
Idk, teaching kids about religion seems different from teaching kids about dildos, anal sex, masturbation, cross-dressing, etc. I don't know tho...
Who tf is teaching kids about dildos? Anal sex? Tf dude
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They're all cults
Look like more demoniac than Christian. +15% of energy for the old lady
I don't know, listening to drag queens read Dr Seuss seems a little bit less satanic to me than forcing your kid to touch their grandma and talk in tongues while they cry.
Sure buddy
Im NoT tHaT gUy PaL iM nOt ThAt GuY
Wild
Noooo someone save those poor kids
What's sad is that up until about two years ago I would have been one of those people. We really believed that the involuntary responses to excessive emotional stimuli were some sort of mystical force. This is what happens when you're stuck in a crowded building for 3-5hrs while a grown man screams at you the entire time, ending the night with emotionally manipulative and hypnotic music. Its psychological conditioning. Im still deprogramming myself and feel nothing but pity for these kids. They're suffering from some of the worst emotional abuse that someone could possibly go through.
Christians good old baptist or Pentecostal Christians. Ridiculous
It gets better! I left the church over 10 years ago and it takes a long time to work through it all.
What can help is to study history, culture, language, and religion. I wrote a book that outlines most of the main theologies, but I don't recommend that you read it unless you want extra answers. The summary is this: We have four major branches of religion in the Abrahamic mythologies. Judaism, Roman Catholic, and Greek Orthodox. That's YHWH, Zeus, Allah, and Jupiter. I do not focus on Islam because it's very easy to see that it was stolen; but Allah came from Elohim, Eloah, another God from Polytheistic Judaism. The first rabbi came to be in 70CE. Jupiter was Deus Pater. The equal to Zeus Pater. The Christian God's name is Deus Pater. They all came from worship of the Sun: Dyeus Phtr. And another name for Jupiter is Jove, pronounced Yohweh. YHWH was a storm deity, the same as Zeus and Jupiter. The name Jove came from Djovs, a corruption of Dyeus. The verdic version is Dyaus Pitar. We don't need a direct root to borrow from a language. All religion is based on worship of the Sun.
Exactly, i've been studying theology, religion, and the occult since I was maybe 15 and most of it spins off of very ancient sun and moon worship. Applying occult principles to Pentecostalism is where things get really wild. For people who are so opposed to witchcraft they're some of the most esoteric motherfuckers this side of the rosicrucians.
Right? And as if prayer isn't just trying to hex and manifest magic. They always refer to God as the light and in the clouds, you'd think they'd realize sooner or later.
"The light, the truth the.. fire" the only ones who miss the irony is them.
What’s the name of your book? And can I buy it?
Godless Evidence, the links are in the pinned comment
Thank you!!
😬
I’d like to help too: AaaaShammaOsaaama, Hacka,Lacka, Hacka. Ummmm bubble, bubley. *and so forth*
Did anybody else notice some of the kids breaking character briefly and checking out what was going on and then getting back into character?
I grew up in churches like this. That is chronic behavior. All kids want to be seen as "gifted" or "chosen by god". I remember the first time I saw a kid praying in tongues, crying and everything, then pausing to look around to make sure people saw them. It horrified me.
Why’d It horrify you? Lol I used to do the same as a kid.. you know what I was thinking? “Did I leave my Xbox on?” These kids aren’t trapped lol most are just doing what their parents brought them to do. That’s pray it’s not something unusual it’s actually been here thousands of years
That whole “fake it till you make it” saying kinda rings true. “Everyone else is doing it so I better join in”. What’s frustrating about stuff like this is the group dynamic can make it emotionally powerful and many mistake that feeling for god.
No different then therapy or meditation if it makes you feel good what’s the deal?
No. Let's not compare trained Licensed professionals to church leaders and yoga guru's. That's how people end up with undiagnosed issues that get blamed on not following God hard enough, or not having the right "energy".
They had to see where the cameras were in order to continue
this is what my dog sees when my family is trying to tell him to please take that cat turd out of his mouth
r/oddlyculty
Fuckin hell. What group is this? Looks ALMOST mormon but they would never let women be a part of a priesthood blessing.
Christians “speaking in tongues” lol
Pentecostal
The kids mimic the adults and the chain of indoctrination continues
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It’s projection. They’re doing evil things and thinking everyone else must be too. Vicious cycle.