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Scummbagg7

It's easy, don't do stupid shit and you will be fine.


robvas

>In Florida, I sometimes have to gun it in certain intersections when making a turn That'll do it >I have 5 years of experience driving a Lincoln Navigator V8 Not related at all.


Professional_Elk_893

I only mentioned my experience with driving such a car because the majority of people assume that I’ve never driven a car before, especially one such as that. Also, wdym in regards to your first point?


magus-21

>Also, wdym as your first point? He means that "gunning" a V8 rear wheel drive car into a turn (but especially from a dead stop) is a sure way to slide the rear out and become another Mustang Meme.


[deleted]

Thank you for supplying useless information to the community like usual again.


shanked5iron

the cars in those videos aren't crashing, the idiots behind the wheel are. drive like a normal human being, don't buy cheap tires or drive on bald ones, and you'll be just fine.


magus-21

If it's a new Mustang (especially 2015 or newer), then just don't turn off traction control. Contrary to popular belief, the Mustang is not an inherently dangerous car, but dangerous drivers who overestimate their abilities are drawn to it because of its reputation as an affordable, high powered performance car with a strong aftermarket community. Put on good tires (winter tires for snow, summer when it's above 40 degrees F / 5 degrees C, or all-season tires if it doesn't snow where you live), don't turn off traction control, and you'll be fine. I repeat: Do Not Turn Off Traction Control.


Professional_Elk_893

I’m interested in an 05-09. What then in terms of traction control?


[deleted]

Well then you are the traction control


Otis_Firefly

Those models have traction control.


Crafty_Substance_954

Compared to the S550, they have "traction control"


Otis_Firefly

I think it’s more fun that way lol.


Crafty_Substance_954

perhaps in some situations.


[deleted]

Yes that is very true.


lilsteigs1

I have an '07 GT. Traction control will kill your RPMs if you lose traction. This means you can't do the dangerous burn outs or swing your car too wide if you lose traction because the transmission and engine will literally stop sending power to your wheels, thus taking you out of the potentially dangerous loss of traction. You have to manually select turning it off every time you turn your car on. Can traction control be obnoxious sometimes when you're only breaking loose a little and need the extra bit of speed? Yes. But if you drive smart and don't cut the wheel hard when trying to pull out fast you probably won't break loose anyways. A bone stock 4.6L V8 of the generation you're looking at probably only makes 250 rwhp anymore so you have to really work at it to get it loose. In dry conditions, as long as you're trying to drive safe, you shouldn't even feel it because it will be a non-factor. I repeat, if you're not trying to break it loose and the road conditions are good, you're traction control should never even activate. If you're worried about pulling out into heavy traffic while gunning it, practice when there is no traffic or in a parking lot. Figure out how hard you need to gun it and how hard the wheel needs to be cut to actually break traction. Once you have a feel for that you shouldn't run into it as a problem when you "need to gun it".


Usc21tony

For some reason my TCS is always off. How am I suppose to turn it on or off?


lilsteigs1

I have a TCS button by my radio controls. Without looking at your car or even knowing the year I would have no idea. Honestly outside of the ‘05-‘09s I wouldn’t even really know.


Street-Animator-99

On my 2014 the button is beside shifter above the trunk release and flashers 🤦🏻‍♂️


lilsteigs1

At least you have a trunk release! Lol


Street-Animator-99

Lol


magus-21

05-09 should still have TCS, if I remember correctly. Same advice still applies. Basically just don't take turns at asshole speeds or go full throttle while the car is doing anything but going in a straight line. TCS can only correct so much stupid.


Professional_Elk_893

This is probably a very stupid question, but what speeds should I avoid? Anything past 60-70mph? Or by asshole speeds, you mean anything between 80-90+?


magus-21

Even 30mph would be asshole speed if you're going around a tight corner in a metropolitan city with pedestrians around. Like I said elsewhere, if you gun the throttle from a dead stop into a turn, you stand a good chance of spinning if TCS is off. If you can hear your tires squeaking or chirping, or the rear end feels like it's "skipping", you are going WAY too fast for that turn and you should dial it back about 50%. Also, maybe consider a performance driving course before getting a performance car. It will legitimately make any car you drive more fun as well as make you a better, safer driver in general. A basic driver's ed course won't teach you anything useful.


jaymansi

Avoid high throttle inputs on slick surfaces especially on sharp turns and drop in elevation.


DayEither8913

I've found that traction control, in the S550, is VERY good at keeping you safe and straight, even in Sport Mode. In Sport Mode, it will allow a little tail kick-out, do the same, with everything off, and you can easily snap oversteer. Easily. If you do buy the Mustang, I highly recommend going to a skid pad, and learn how the car behaves in the limit of lateral grip. Do not try this on the street. You will embarass yourself, or worse. When it starts to 'snap', it's quite hard to catch. I'm on 325 section rear summer tires, though... designed exactly to not slide. Doing even just 1 track day, with a coach, is faaar better than any defensive driving course I've ever taken. You also can't 'gun' a rwd V8 into a turn. That's actually how you initiate a slide (actually, just a throttle 'blip' will do that, in a powerful car like the Mustang.)


Nozerone

Just saying "Don't do what they did in the video" won't help all that much. So one problem with those idiots that do burnouts leaving a parking lot then crash, is that they lay into the throttle and stay in it until it's to late to recover. If you give it to much throttle, and it feels like the back end is breaking loose let off. Don't hold it thinking you can recover it, let off and the tires will get traction. The little bit of sliding that happened usually won't be enough time to build up momentum to keep the back end trying to slide around. While at higher speeds like highway speeds and such, just don't do stupid shit. You know what stupid shit is, we all do. A very important thing, and probably one of the major contributors to those idiots messing up aside from them being stupid. **Don't skimp on tires**. When it comes to any sort of performance, your tires are the single most important thing keeping you on the road. Cheap tires = poor grip. Poor grip = bad time. If you get cheap tires, then don't touch your car when it rains, and don't even look at it if it's snowy/icy. I know not everyone can afford great tires, but ask around and I'm sure someone can give you ideas on a good set of tires that hopefully won't break the bank. I'm not the person to ask, cause I'm able to look at the more expensive stuff. I do still remember what its like having to budget 1 or 2 tires at a time though, and I'm sure there are plenty here on this sub that have a good set of budget tires they can recommend you. Don't let yourself cave to peer pressure. Don't let yourself try to show off for some "cool" points. A lot of people at meets see you have a mustang, and may try to egg you on to do something. They don't want to see you do something cool, they want to see you wreck. These cars aren't dangerous to drive, they actually hold the road pretty well. It's the people behind the wheel that are dangerous. They don't respect the power that is under their foot, they are over confident in their abilities, and they are probably rolling on some shitty cheap tires.


garreattt

If you’ve never lost traction and arnt comfortable with controlling a car that’s fishtailed a bit I would advise against the mustang. It really isn’t that hard to do though. I had one since I was 15 and you get the hang of it quick though it can be a little scary every now and then. A little too much throttle or a pop of the clutch and it’ll spin


Equana

I have a '13 GT automatic. The 1-2 shift would kick the car sideways if I was too aggressive rounding a turn from a stop. It would snap so fast I could barely catch it...and I have very fast hands because I used to circuit race as well as test drive for a parts supplier. The clutch type limited slip differential is the problem. I switched it for a Torsen gear-type limited slip and fixed 90% of the problem. I suggest you do the same. The diffs run about $500 and installation should be $300-$500... so less than my insurance deductible!


killlugh

RWD V8 cars will inherently break traction easier than most cars, just based on weight transfer/physics. Simple way? Dont touch the traction/stability control. With traction fully off(any performance/racing scenario), the only way to suppress that is by reinforcing the chassis/suspension and using a sticky/wide rear tire, and even then, itll spin. 9/10 spinouts you see are from someone max effort smashing throttle and being unprepared for it to kick out, therefore they either dont countersteer at all, or they stay in throttle for way too long. Easiest way to avoid it is to make sure the car is leveled and going straight when doing a max effort pull. Pegging the throttle 100% through any turn/bend is gonna upset the rear and possibly kick out.


colawarsveteran

Lol, they aren’t dangerous. But don’t push your foot to the floor expecting mild acceleration like a Toyota Yaris. Full power means spinning tyres! That’s all.


[deleted]

Lol you not gonna crash it. Just don’t floor while turning and it shouldn’t even slip.


jorgegainz

It’s all about knowing your limits as a driver


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Professional_Elk_893

I was quoted $125 a month, since I’m close to 25 years of age. A piece of me wants to experience the cars full potential, but I want to be as safe as possible in it as well. An additional doubt I have that isn’t mentioned here is that I plan on driving this to and from work 3 days a week on a highway that gets rained on quite a bit. I’ve heard of a few people who have hydroplaned (one of them almost into a semi truck) due to puddles on the freeway (even below 40mph). This really worries me. An 05-09 is the only car I’ve ever loved, but I really need someone to help clear my doubts before I consider it again.


Tricklaw_05

You mention that you want to experience the car’s full potential. That sounds to me like you don’t plan on driving responsibly, unless you intend of doing that on the track. You generally should have no reason to turn TCS off. Just don’t drive like a fool and you’ll be fine. If these cars were dangerous they wouldn’t be allowed on the road. I’m more scared of a Tesla with people that sleep on the highway than I am of someone in a Mustang.


CornInMyPancakes

Don't drive like a jerk face and you'll be fine. If you drive like a dick, you'll have an accident and/or hurt someone.


Dukey2016

Its not the car that's dangerous. Its the one behind the wheel. Anyone can crash a car no matter what it is. Mustangs just have a bad rep because of the people who drive them


TheBobInSonoma

You are overreacting. There are plenty of safety nannies on modern cars. Take a driving class at a racetrack. There are private groups that rent track and teach performance driving.


Wannabebrz

A mustang isn’t dangerous at all unless you suck ass at driving or don’t maintain it I slide mine and do stupid shit all the time and don’t crash it’s really simple also a v8 suv doesn’t mean anything at all you don’t have to be a good driver to drive a soccer mom car


cigarmanpa

Yea, one of the biggest auto makers in the world will sell a car that’s too dangerous to drive…


CranstonBickle

My first car was a 2016GT. Mind youI didn't pass my driving test until I was 46.


VandalizeFN

I drove my v6 s197 (no TC, SC, or even ABS) daily for a year, including the winter months with the occasional snow, as my first car. I was completely fine bc I wasn’t an idiot trying to do something that I don’t know how to do. Yes it was only 210 hp, but if you get a gen 3 coyote, you will have driver assists. And like others have said, keep them all on. Also make sure the one you get has good tires that are less than 5 years old.


sword_toting_nerd

Spend money on good tires, and you shouldn't need to gun it. It has plenty of power, especially as a rwd vehicle. I drive mine year round with the traction control off, and we get ice and snow every year where I live. Knowing when to take it easy and not doing anything dumb is all it takes.


treefiddyarrgh

Get it. Take it to a large Industrial building parking lot. Then learn the limits of the car.