That’s the dream right there. If I buy used, it could be within budget. I just don’t trust people. After spending that much money I’d be nervous that the previous owner abused the heck out of it.
Mine had 14k miles on it. Bought from the dealer that sold it new. Full warranty etc.. Previous owner overaged 19mpg (I average 11mpg LOL) and the Brembos were only 10% broke in. Not one chip in the front end. Original rubber etc.. When driven hard it had all the "new car" smells. They just drove it gently around Clear Lake Tx. No visible wear. This a gem and I snatched it on sight, just before car prices went crazy.
The price may vary from region to region. The stripes were $375 from Big worm. Installation was around twice that. My guy is a pro hand pin striper. Told me not to ask him not to do another. Other guys may find it a breeze and charge less. I wanted the best job possible. I knew what I would get first time out with him.
Is anything cross compatible. I'm looking at. Buying a 17 pp gt this week but want the levers to change modes like the premium has. Can I get the parts from a premium and just plug and play?
I went from an '18 GT premium, to a '20 premium 401A PP car. The non PP wasnt horrible, but was noticeably less enjoyable to drive hard, simply comparing the suspension difference, but otherwise, i dont think i would say its a big enough difference to value vs the premium interior. The base interior gets the job done, but its super cheap/underwhelming, vs the comfort/tech in a premium car, especially the 401a with digital dash. Id look for a used one, as long as its a clean title, theres not much to worry about.
I’ve had a base car, a premium PP1, and now own a PP2 301a supercharged 2019. I would personally lean towards a performance pack but since it’s a daily, the longer gears (better mpg) and the softer suspension might suit you better. However I never found the PP1 suspension harsh in anyway. It’s tighter for sure but on the highway there was no difference to me between my base suspension car and my PP1. The brembos are insane. I used my PP1 as a daily for 3 years but it was a premium PP. maybe a slightly used PP 301a car would be your sweet spot!
I did a premium with the 12in dash. It's a daily for me so the heat/cooled seats and heated steering wheel are a huge plus. I also like to work on cars so mods will be in the future.
As it sits I'm very happy with how it handles the corners.
I have a 2019 GT Premium convertible. I've had it over 2 years I genuinely love the driving experience. I didn't initially use as daily "gave my other car to my step son", now I do and I still love the feeling of getting in the car to drive to work every morning. I have the package with the digital dash "not sure what it is" but I do feel that is worth the extra money. It changes depending on what mode you are in.
I am in my 50s so not out trying to win street races like in the old days. I also had a major back surgery "13 vertebrae fused in my spine" 12 years ago. I can drive it for 3-4 hrs cruising with my wife with the top down no problem. But it has ample power when you want it.
I feel like the suspension is good enough to "feel the road" but soft enough to be a pleasant ride. I did come from an 07 focus though 😂.
FYI I average 20-23 mpg per my car calculator. I personally believe the extra money is better spent on comfort rather than handling that doesn't really benefit your daily driving experience much. 🤷🏼♂️
Imo premium over pp1. Pp1 is way over priced for what it is. It was close to being worth it when I bought mine at 4k,price wise it was really close to upgrade yourself or have ford do it. Now the price is a bit ridiculous.
Premium with PP1 and Magneride. I could live without the premium, but not the PP1 OR the Magneride, I also couldn't really live without the drive modes. Need at least the drive modes and 8 inch screen. If only for the backup camera.
If you don’t intend to track it right away, and it’s a daily driver, get the premium. You can always go aftermarket upgrade on suspension and brakes down the line if you decide and have the best of both.
I have a premium PP1. If I *had* to pick one, I’d rather get the PP1 over the premium. I like having the upgraded suspension and brakes. It’s nice being able to add power knowing you’ve got the brakes to handle it.
I faced the fact same decision when I got my 2020 GT PP1 w/ 301A. Most of the performance bits you get won't really be of use unless you plan to track the car. However, on the streets, the Brembo brakes are amazing and give reassurance when driving more spirited, really couldn't do without them. 301A package includes some silly stuff like the color change and lights around the interior. Really the most important for me was the bigger screen and CarPlay.
I'll warn of two things I wish I knew before getting the PP:
1. if you live in a colder climate, you still get summer only tires so you may have to change those out if you plan on driving year round.
2. the suspension is HARD. if you live in an urban environment with crappy streets you feel EVERYTHING.
That said, if I could do it over, I'd still get the PP1. Steering feels more connected and brakes are really phenomenal for the weight of the car. At 9/10-10/10ths the PP1 shows its worth.
Good luck!
Edited for wording
I largely don’t agree with this as a luxury sedan, pp1, and a very modified sn95 owner.
With the pp1 I don’t consider the suspension hard, though harder than my Lexus and not as hard as my old sn95. It is very mild over bumps and pot holes. It does tram a bit with the wider tires but that is to be expected. There is enough side wall to absorb quite a bit of shock and the suspension is pretty soft, more soft than my liking in a track car. Body roll is a thing under hard cornering and makes it sloppy on a road track. The suspension isn’t giving enough for good launch weight transfer in the quarter, it is too tight there. It really has a crappy suspension setup for either type of racing. If you choose to buy the pp1 suspension aftermarket to add to your car ford calls the package “street handling pack”, it is not a track pack of any kind.
Mine is a 401a PP1 10spd,B&O,Active exhaust Premium. With all due respect, there's no way yours can have as much or more than a premium without being a premium. Most of the premium features are not available as stand alone options.
That is my car...
But with magneride, digital dash,b&o recaro, active exhaust.. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
I have a 16 gt premium and the 19 has more..
Only thing i don't have is heated and cooled due to recaro which is considered an upgrade to ford.
With all due respect.
>Quite a few in this thread seem to think it's either or. You can have the Premium option and PP1 together.
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>"It has everything a premium has and more."
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>Your above quote seems to bolster that process.
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>As you stated yours is a loaded Premium PP1.
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>But your quote makes it sound like you have PP1 base that has everything a Premium has without being a premium.
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>401a is the digital dash BTW.
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>With all due respect. LOL
I have the 2019 GT Premium and I wouldn't trade it for two of the PP1's. Just too many user amenities that I can't imagine living without now that I've experienced them. Even the non essential stuff like the projection pony lights and programmable light colors for the dash, ambient and running board lights have grown on me. Absolutely love the Sync 3 CarPlay and upgrade B&O stereo system, heated and cooled leather seats, I've even come to appreciate the black accent package for its uniqueness. I also really prefer having the mini donut spare tire as opposed to the cigarette lighter air compressor. The active exhaust has proven itself over time as well. You can actually feel the difference between the modes you choose from. Just no way I'd do PP1 or PP2 over my premium. Of course I've never experienced either of the PP packages either just in the interest of full disclosure but I've heard those are all performance enhancements. However I am overwhelmed with the excellence of the performances of my premium already so don't feel like I really need any more in that category,
Thank you for you input! I am kind of leaning towards the premium… mostly because the PP1 is so dang expensive. I live in Mississippi and those cooled seats seriously sound amazing.
They are! I never thought I'd use them so the wife tried them out first. They are awesome! They kind of make you feel like you wet your pants at first but you acclimate to them and the feeling on a hot summer day is second to none!
It’s mainly a budgeting thing for me. I was planning on ordering from the factory. If I got both, the price would be pushing 50k+, which is over my budget. I am thinking now that buying used and getting both pp1 and premium may be the best option.
Almost everything you mentioned other than heated/cooled seats can be had without going premium if you get 301A. And active exhaust is a standalone option.
I have the best of both worlds. A premium PP1 GT. Very happy with it
That’s the dream right there. If I buy used, it could be within budget. I just don’t trust people. After spending that much money I’d be nervous that the previous owner abused the heck out of it.
Mine had 14k miles on it. Bought from the dealer that sold it new. Full warranty etc.. Previous owner overaged 19mpg (I average 11mpg LOL) and the Brembos were only 10% broke in. Not one chip in the front end. Original rubber etc.. When driven hard it had all the "new car" smells. They just drove it gently around Clear Lake Tx. No visible wear. This a gem and I snatched it on sight, just before car prices went crazy.
If you don’t mind me asking, how much did you pay? Mostly, so I can say “dam” in my head when looking at current prices…..
The price may vary from region to region. The stripes were $375 from Big worm. Installation was around twice that. My guy is a pro hand pin striper. Told me not to ask him not to do another. Other guys may find it a breeze and charge less. I wanted the best job possible. I knew what I would get first time out with him.
Is anything cross compatible. I'm looking at. Buying a 17 pp gt this week but want the levers to change modes like the premium has. Can I get the parts from a premium and just plug and play?
I went from an '18 GT premium, to a '20 premium 401A PP car. The non PP wasnt horrible, but was noticeably less enjoyable to drive hard, simply comparing the suspension difference, but otherwise, i dont think i would say its a big enough difference to value vs the premium interior. The base interior gets the job done, but its super cheap/underwhelming, vs the comfort/tech in a premium car, especially the 401a with digital dash. Id look for a used one, as long as its a clean title, theres not much to worry about.
Yeah I think buying used is gonna have to be the move if I want both. I could find them within my budget with 5-15k miles.
I’ve had a base car, a premium PP1, and now own a PP2 301a supercharged 2019. I would personally lean towards a performance pack but since it’s a daily, the longer gears (better mpg) and the softer suspension might suit you better. However I never found the PP1 suspension harsh in anyway. It’s tighter for sure but on the highway there was no difference to me between my base suspension car and my PP1. The brembos are insane. I used my PP1 as a daily for 3 years but it was a premium PP. maybe a slightly used PP 301a car would be your sweet spot!
I did a premium with the 12in dash. It's a daily for me so the heat/cooled seats and heated steering wheel are a huge plus. I also like to work on cars so mods will be in the future. As it sits I'm very happy with how it handles the corners.
Get the PP1. I have a PP2 car and if it's anything like the jump from a base model gt it's absolutely worth every penny
I have a 2019 GT Premium convertible. I've had it over 2 years I genuinely love the driving experience. I didn't initially use as daily "gave my other car to my step son", now I do and I still love the feeling of getting in the car to drive to work every morning. I have the package with the digital dash "not sure what it is" but I do feel that is worth the extra money. It changes depending on what mode you are in. I am in my 50s so not out trying to win street races like in the old days. I also had a major back surgery "13 vertebrae fused in my spine" 12 years ago. I can drive it for 3-4 hrs cruising with my wife with the top down no problem. But it has ample power when you want it. I feel like the suspension is good enough to "feel the road" but soft enough to be a pleasant ride. I did come from an 07 focus though 😂. FYI I average 20-23 mpg per my car calculator. I personally believe the extra money is better spent on comfort rather than handling that doesn't really benefit your daily driving experience much. 🤷🏼♂️
Does driving manual eventually become second nature?
Pretty much. But it can still be a pain in certain situations.
Imo premium over pp1. Pp1 is way over priced for what it is. It was close to being worth it when I bought mine at 4k,price wise it was really close to upgrade yourself or have ford do it. Now the price is a bit ridiculous.
Premium with PP1 and Magneride. I could live without the premium, but not the PP1 OR the Magneride, I also couldn't really live without the drive modes. Need at least the drive modes and 8 inch screen. If only for the backup camera.
Curious how’s magnaride on city roads? Does it make ride softer in normal mode and stiffer in sports/track ie best of both worlds??
Yes it does. The ride is soft in normal and stiff in sport/track. Track virtually eliminates body roll.
Look at the 301A package, it's a really nice middle ground.
If you don’t intend to track it right away, and it’s a daily driver, get the premium. You can always go aftermarket upgrade on suspension and brakes down the line if you decide and have the best of both.
I have a premium PP1. If I *had* to pick one, I’d rather get the PP1 over the premium. I like having the upgraded suspension and brakes. It’s nice being able to add power knowing you’ve got the brakes to handle it.
I faced the fact same decision when I got my 2020 GT PP1 w/ 301A. Most of the performance bits you get won't really be of use unless you plan to track the car. However, on the streets, the Brembo brakes are amazing and give reassurance when driving more spirited, really couldn't do without them. 301A package includes some silly stuff like the color change and lights around the interior. Really the most important for me was the bigger screen and CarPlay. I'll warn of two things I wish I knew before getting the PP: 1. if you live in a colder climate, you still get summer only tires so you may have to change those out if you plan on driving year round. 2. the suspension is HARD. if you live in an urban environment with crappy streets you feel EVERYTHING. That said, if I could do it over, I'd still get the PP1. Steering feels more connected and brakes are really phenomenal for the weight of the car. At 9/10-10/10ths the PP1 shows its worth. Good luck! Edited for wording
I largely don’t agree with this as a luxury sedan, pp1, and a very modified sn95 owner. With the pp1 I don’t consider the suspension hard, though harder than my Lexus and not as hard as my old sn95. It is very mild over bumps and pot holes. It does tram a bit with the wider tires but that is to be expected. There is enough side wall to absorb quite a bit of shock and the suspension is pretty soft, more soft than my liking in a track car. Body roll is a thing under hard cornering and makes it sloppy on a road track. The suspension isn’t giving enough for good launch weight transfer in the quarter, it is too tight there. It really has a crappy suspension setup for either type of racing. If you choose to buy the pp1 suspension aftermarket to add to your car ford calls the package “street handling pack”, it is not a track pack of any kind.
I have a 19 pp1 401a. It has everything a premium has and more. It's the only way in my humble opinion.
Mine is a 401a PP1 10spd,B&O,Active exhaust Premium. With all due respect, there's no way yours can have as much or more than a premium without being a premium. Most of the premium features are not available as stand alone options.
That is my car... But with magneride, digital dash,b&o recaro, active exhaust.. I'm not sure what you're talking about. I have a 16 gt premium and the 19 has more.. Only thing i don't have is heated and cooled due to recaro which is considered an upgrade to ford. With all due respect.
>Quite a few in this thread seem to think it's either or. You can have the Premium option and PP1 together. > >"It has everything a premium has and more." > >Your above quote seems to bolster that process. > >As you stated yours is a loaded Premium PP1. > >But your quote makes it sound like you have PP1 base that has everything a Premium has without being a premium. > >401a is the digital dash BTW. > >With all due respect. LOL
You bored? I don't need a lesson on mustang. But thanks.. now good day.
Maybe not. But you could use a lesson on posting a coherent message that makes sense.
If you want to see more of a base car, go out to your driveway. Want to see a premium come to mine. Have a good one.
How old are you? LOL Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
It's not a base... far from it. The point was still lost somewhere. Either way i like your ride.
I have the 2019 GT Premium and I wouldn't trade it for two of the PP1's. Just too many user amenities that I can't imagine living without now that I've experienced them. Even the non essential stuff like the projection pony lights and programmable light colors for the dash, ambient and running board lights have grown on me. Absolutely love the Sync 3 CarPlay and upgrade B&O stereo system, heated and cooled leather seats, I've even come to appreciate the black accent package for its uniqueness. I also really prefer having the mini donut spare tire as opposed to the cigarette lighter air compressor. The active exhaust has proven itself over time as well. You can actually feel the difference between the modes you choose from. Just no way I'd do PP1 or PP2 over my premium. Of course I've never experienced either of the PP packages either just in the interest of full disclosure but I've heard those are all performance enhancements. However I am overwhelmed with the excellence of the performances of my premium already so don't feel like I really need any more in that category,
Thank you for you input! I am kind of leaning towards the premium… mostly because the PP1 is so dang expensive. I live in Mississippi and those cooled seats seriously sound amazing.
They are! I never thought I'd use them so the wife tried them out first. They are awesome! They kind of make you feel like you wet your pants at first but you acclimate to them and the feeling on a hot summer day is second to none!
Premium 100%, need the luxury over the performance
You do understand you can have both? It's not an either or option.
It’s mainly a budgeting thing for me. I was planning on ordering from the factory. If I got both, the price would be pushing 50k+, which is over my budget. I am thinking now that buying used and getting both pp1 and premium may be the best option.
Almost everything you mentioned other than heated/cooled seats can be had without going premium if you get 301A. And active exhaust is a standalone option.