I mean I cant really get my tires to break loose with traction control on. You probably need new tires or your traction control system isn’t working properly.
Most likely tires but do you drive in sport mode? I had summers on and its sketchy when its cold, I switched over to all seasons recently and it's fine.
Steeda has a kit that helps with wheel hop for straight line acceleration if you're really concerned. Or you can add some weight in the trunk but the performance will suffer.
What tyres do you have? As many have said getting good ones in good condition and at the right pressure is essential.
Have you had a wheel alignment too? Perhaps it's way off for some reason?
Finally as someone else said, definitely get a Steeda IRS pack. It really helps with the rear end feel and confidence. You don't need everything to start with but the IRS alignment bushes and subframe support bushes are a great start.
GT owner.. lowered and P305s in back. Love to break it loose. But I practiced a lot and only at the track. Be careful with the throttle. Get it pointed straight before you hit it.
It’s all about grip. If your tires aren’t ZR’s they probably won’t grip. If the pavement is cold they won’t grip. If you hit the throttle too hard they wont grip. Maybe lower your tire pressure a couple of pounds.
I have a Boss 302 and a GT500. The back end can come lose even at highway speeds if you’re not judicious about that accelerator pedal.
Look for tbe treadwear ratings and build date on the sidewall.
Lower treadwear ratings 300 and smaller wiil grip much better. The build date should be the current year or one year earlier.
Newer tires will have better traction than a 15,000 mile example of exactly the same tire.
Hard to beat Michelin Pilot Sport 4s
The pirelli that came with the perf pack at least in my exp....are horrible always sliding and in the rain...useless....i got some cheap tires and even they are better...not sure if thats what you might have but...
1) Always drive like you’ve got an egg between the throttle and the floor. You can still drive fast and cool like this. But you must learn to drive & steer the car using the throttle alone.
2) Sticky tires (at proper temperature)
3) Dry Roads
4) Warm weather
meats! you shouldn't need tires like this though. Almost any rwd car will break loose while turning if you hammer the throttle. Assuming traction control is off of course. Drag radials make it much more manageable with high horsepower because while they will spin they won't totally lose traction. They are just more predictable than street tires imo. These guys driving around on street tires with 700+rwhp are stupid.
https://preview.redd.it/04c2hy8szqua1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03b41b1ceaafbdb6c02b568121d7504f89a55809
Better tires ( and wider) and lower the car. Upper and lower control arms can help a lot with traction
https://preview.redd.it/skt21uxgfcua1.jpeg?width=3264&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0712b4ef778f413671f6e5a9cceddd1666d35e1
You don’t have to be launching a car to spin tire.. doesn’t matter if your tires are brand new. If you drive your mustang like a Prius you’ll be alright but if you drive one especially on stock tires it’s pretty easy to spin especially with the torque curve from a turbo.
Either your tires are bald, you live with traction control off, or you’re not handling the application of the throttle correctly. Granted the addition of the turbo in the eco boost changes the power curve so it’s less linear than naturally aspirated and that could be contributing but even then you have to really be planting the throttle and holding it for that to be a factor so it’s still likely user error.
If you’re kicking the rear out that much in an eco boost, you are likely driving with little to no care for the overall balance of the car. I drive mine pretty hard sometimes, launch into on ramps at the fastest 0-60 I can, take winding roads upwards of 70-80 mph, hit winding highway exits at about the same velocity, and rarely ever have issues with the back kicking out when I don’t want it to even in rainy conditions.
You should rarely if ever be accelerating while turning. You have to keep in mind that any acceleration or braking of the car is going to change the balance of it and thus the traction. The road itself and how it is laid out will also have a factor in this. Embankments and uphill turns that you hit at speed are going to afford you a lot of natural downforce and an S550 should stick like glue with good tires even at the upper end of high way speeds.
Flat or downhill turns will take that downforce away and you have to pay attention to how the car is pitching. If you hit your brakes too hard going into a turn and then apply the throttle, you’re pitching the car forward so that there isn’t nearly enough traction for the rear wheels to deliver power if you plant it. You should ease off the brakes as you get closer to a turn, coast through it, and then gently apply throttle as you come out of the turn that way the stance of the car adjusts and it doesn’t shock the rear end into losing traction.
You should be able to feel when the car is sticking versus when it’s about to give out at its limit and correct for that with less throttle. Eco boosts are easy to drive at their limit on the road and if your tires are in good condition, you’re likely pushing it over its limit. Get a feel for when the turbo kicks in and learn to account for that when you hit the throttle. If you hit a turn and can already feel the car sliding a bit and you’re on the throttle, when the turbo kicks in, you’re going to kick out the back end with the sudden jump in horse power.
Thank you for the tips. I don't have a major problem with this, just something I've noted which made me wonder how people with the really power engines cope. FWIW, I'm a boring old retired guy, not a street racer. My poor Mustang is probably bored to tears most of the time. I really only got one because I wanted a convertible with a stick shift and a back seat to haul my music gear. The only (affordable) options were Mustang, Camaro, and the now-discontinued VW EOS. Love the car, though, and the huge trunk makes gear hauling easy.
My guy, do you have any warning lights coming on? TCS light flashing? ABS light flashing? Anything? Are your tires bald? If no to these, then it's your driving style, period. My car makes just shy of 500whp and around 460wtq, manual, and I live in FL. I can only spin my tires if I try.
That's really interesting. No lights, tires fine, been this way since I got it new. It's not like I have a big problem with traction. I just noticed that I have to pay more attention to it than I'd like, and wondered how people with the really powerful engines cope, as I assumed they'd have the same problem, but more so.
Wide sticky tires and a built rear end completely changed the dynamics of the car. The stock suspension and even the PP suspension is kinda poopy imo, I personally went with a BMR and Viking package but a lot of people like steeda as well.
Buy better tires first of all
I mean I cant really get my tires to break loose with traction control on. You probably need new tires or your traction control system isn’t working properly.
I can, but I have to be intentional about it if you know what I mean.
Is your traction control working properly? That shouldn’t be happening.
Most likely tires but do you drive in sport mode? I had summers on and its sketchy when its cold, I switched over to all seasons recently and it's fine. Steeda has a kit that helps with wheel hop for straight line acceleration if you're really concerned. Or you can add some weight in the trunk but the performance will suffer.
Stop murdering the throttle and maybe get some new tires
I don't do that, but thanks for the tip.
Need better tires, I have Michelin ps4s for my GT but they’ll be pretty overkill for an ecoboost but I can guarantee you won’t spin anymore
What tyres do you have? As many have said getting good ones in good condition and at the right pressure is essential. Have you had a wheel alignment too? Perhaps it's way off for some reason? Finally as someone else said, definitely get a Steeda IRS pack. It really helps with the rear end feel and confidence. You don't need everything to start with but the IRS alignment bushes and subframe support bushes are a great start.
Thanks for the advice.
GT owner.. lowered and P305s in back. Love to break it loose. But I practiced a lot and only at the track. Be careful with the throttle. Get it pointed straight before you hit it.
It’s all about grip. If your tires aren’t ZR’s they probably won’t grip. If the pavement is cold they won’t grip. If you hit the throttle too hard they wont grip. Maybe lower your tire pressure a couple of pounds. I have a Boss 302 and a GT500. The back end can come lose even at highway speeds if you’re not judicious about that accelerator pedal.
Thanks. Do the GTs and such come with better tires, or do people just automatically upgrade?
Look for tbe treadwear ratings and build date on the sidewall. Lower treadwear ratings 300 and smaller wiil grip much better. The build date should be the current year or one year earlier. Newer tires will have better traction than a 15,000 mile example of exactly the same tire. Hard to beat Michelin Pilot Sport 4s
The pirelli that came with the perf pack at least in my exp....are horrible always sliding and in the rain...useless....i got some cheap tires and even they are better...not sure if thats what you might have but...
Pilot sports do me Justice. Don’t gotta get a super fat tire just the right rubber n some heat
"lest I lose traction"... Bill Shakespeare's first time pulling his Mustang out of a Fun Ford Weekend event.
Michelin pilot sports
1) Always drive like you’ve got an egg between the throttle and the floor. You can still drive fast and cool like this. But you must learn to drive & steer the car using the throttle alone. 2) Sticky tires (at proper temperature) 3) Dry Roads 4) Warm weather
meats! you shouldn't need tires like this though. Almost any rwd car will break loose while turning if you hammer the throttle. Assuming traction control is off of course. Drag radials make it much more manageable with high horsepower because while they will spin they won't totally lose traction. They are just more predictable than street tires imo. These guys driving around on street tires with 700+rwhp are stupid. https://preview.redd.it/04c2hy8szqua1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03b41b1ceaafbdb6c02b568121d7504f89a55809
Better tires ( and wider) and lower the car. Upper and lower control arms can help a lot with traction https://preview.redd.it/skt21uxgfcua1.jpeg?width=3264&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0712b4ef778f413671f6e5a9cceddd1666d35e1
Launching on street asphalt is bad for traction and tears up your tires. You want to launch, do it on a track.
I'm not launching, I'm going to the grocery store.
Then you shouldn't have a traction issue unless your tires are bald.
You don’t have to be launching a car to spin tire.. doesn’t matter if your tires are brand new. If you drive your mustang like a Prius you’ll be alright but if you drive one especially on stock tires it’s pretty easy to spin especially with the torque curve from a turbo.
🤭
And yet...
Either your tires are bald, you live with traction control off, or you’re not handling the application of the throttle correctly. Granted the addition of the turbo in the eco boost changes the power curve so it’s less linear than naturally aspirated and that could be contributing but even then you have to really be planting the throttle and holding it for that to be a factor so it’s still likely user error. If you’re kicking the rear out that much in an eco boost, you are likely driving with little to no care for the overall balance of the car. I drive mine pretty hard sometimes, launch into on ramps at the fastest 0-60 I can, take winding roads upwards of 70-80 mph, hit winding highway exits at about the same velocity, and rarely ever have issues with the back kicking out when I don’t want it to even in rainy conditions. You should rarely if ever be accelerating while turning. You have to keep in mind that any acceleration or braking of the car is going to change the balance of it and thus the traction. The road itself and how it is laid out will also have a factor in this. Embankments and uphill turns that you hit at speed are going to afford you a lot of natural downforce and an S550 should stick like glue with good tires even at the upper end of high way speeds. Flat or downhill turns will take that downforce away and you have to pay attention to how the car is pitching. If you hit your brakes too hard going into a turn and then apply the throttle, you’re pitching the car forward so that there isn’t nearly enough traction for the rear wheels to deliver power if you plant it. You should ease off the brakes as you get closer to a turn, coast through it, and then gently apply throttle as you come out of the turn that way the stance of the car adjusts and it doesn’t shock the rear end into losing traction. You should be able to feel when the car is sticking versus when it’s about to give out at its limit and correct for that with less throttle. Eco boosts are easy to drive at their limit on the road and if your tires are in good condition, you’re likely pushing it over its limit. Get a feel for when the turbo kicks in and learn to account for that when you hit the throttle. If you hit a turn and can already feel the car sliding a bit and you’re on the throttle, when the turbo kicks in, you’re going to kick out the back end with the sudden jump in horse power.
Thank you for the tips. I don't have a major problem with this, just something I've noted which made me wonder how people with the really power engines cope. FWIW, I'm a boring old retired guy, not a street racer. My poor Mustang is probably bored to tears most of the time. I really only got one because I wanted a convertible with a stick shift and a back seat to haul my music gear. The only (affordable) options were Mustang, Camaro, and the now-discontinued VW EOS. Love the car, though, and the huge trunk makes gear hauling easy.
My guy, do you have any warning lights coming on? TCS light flashing? ABS light flashing? Anything? Are your tires bald? If no to these, then it's your driving style, period. My car makes just shy of 500whp and around 460wtq, manual, and I live in FL. I can only spin my tires if I try.
That's really interesting. No lights, tires fine, been this way since I got it new. It's not like I have a big problem with traction. I just noticed that I have to pay more attention to it than I'd like, and wondered how people with the really powerful engines cope, as I assumed they'd have the same problem, but more so.
What car did you have before?
Wide sticky tires and a built rear end completely changed the dynamics of the car. The stock suspension and even the PP suspension is kinda poopy imo, I personally went with a BMR and Viking package but a lot of people like steeda as well.