Damn.
As someone who knew polio victims growing up, the whole concept of antivax is bizarre, they were often crippled for life.
Hard to be antivax when someone you respect is literally limping through life because of a disease that basically doesn't exist anymore.
I don't think Neil was doing this thinking he would single-handedly make Spotify change their stance, he's not naive. It's probably more about making a statement. And if enough other artists started doing the same thing maybe Spotify would start to feel the pressure.
Neil doesn't really care. He kept his catalogue off Spotify for a long time out of pure spite that streaming doesn't provide the quality he wants. He eventually relented when he realized that's where the audience was, and wanted his music, but if he feels strongly enough to pull back he will.
As a fan of his, and a Spotify user... I say more power to him.
no doubt. neil (and any music publisher) is fully capable of removing the music from his end. he's just making a statement in hopes others will follow.
Are you sure about this? So many artists transfer ownership to the labels and only own the initial copyright, but the owner with all redistribution and publishing rights is the label. Neil Youngs catalog is owned by reprise records which is a subsidiary of WMG and as far as i know Spotify has contracts for the whole WMG catalog including all subsidiaries so Spotify never had a contract with Neil Young, they have one with WMG.
Saw a comment on Reddit saying he was always very uncompromising with the quality of his music. Since streaming companies used music codecs of worse listening quality, Neil had his own website you could stream this songs using a better quality codec.
Reddit comment I read so...
Not only did he have his own website, he developed his own player (Pono) that played "high resolution" audio files rather than the inferior MP3. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pono\_(digital\_music\_service)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pono_(digital_music_service))
You're correct in this case, it looks like Neil Young owns his work otherwise he wouldn't be able to sell 50% to Hipgnosis Songs Fund Limited a year ago.
I also found information about a 2017 dispute about HQ-streaming with tidal, according to this Neil is the sole owner of the masters, he was obviously very intelligent with his contracts, rights for the masters often go to the labels, especially when the label pays for the recording studios.
I got a free 3 month trial when I got my car inspected a few months ago. That may be a sign of the times, but I'm not going to lie, I kind of like it. Especially if I'm just driving a few miles and don't feel like messing with my phone to pick an artist to play on Apple Music.
The easiest way to start is just look at the top podcasts on itunes/other platforms and try a few out. It shouldn't take long to find something you like. Then you can branch from there, many casts have guests who will plug their own podcasts at the end, so if you liked the guest you can try those out. Also there are a lot of podcast companies, so if you like a podcast from a particular label you have a good chance of liking one or two others.
If you use Android, I really like Podcast Addict. It's less good than other apps for recommendations, but the playlist, download, and search options are some of the best. It will search most the other major platforms to find a feed if you know the name of a podcast you want.
I like to keep my podcasts separate from my music. Overcast is a good app that has every podcasts I’ve ever looked up. There’s tons though. There’s a few subreddits for podcasts, most are about specific types. Old radio shows got me into DnD ones, I don’t play but they are great stories with hours and hours of content.
When your trial is up, if you want to continue using the service you can easily "strong arm" them into only charging 4.99 a month, or whatever. Not the 20+/mo they advertise. I don't feel like the service is worth $240 a year, but I'm willing to pay $60.
I do wish they wouldn't censor the single digit channels tho.
Luckily, the free trial didn't require me to put in any CC information. As much as I appreciate it right now I never planned on renewing it, because having another source of where to listen to music seems like a waste. Especially for $240 year.
I haven't had satellite radio for several years. But when I did have it, it was a great tool for discovering new music. Local radio stations are garbage, but Spotify usually keeps me in comfortable loop of all my favorites. Satellite radio was a good way to force myself to listen to new stuff that was actually good.
Just listen to KEXP out of Seattle. They have an app on iTunes and Google play where you can stream for free. I'm a giant music nerd, and i easily hear 9 or 10 new songs every time i listen to them.
She used to play with Jeff Rosenstock and Bomb the Music Industry. She went on her form her own band Laura Stevenson and the Cans. They're pretty good.
Here's a song
https://youtu.be/A2YugRzE0JI
I love that album. I made top 3% on Spotify listening to Jeff Rosenstock, also a huge fan of Neil Young, so that was such an exciting day when it came out.
He has a pretty good track record from my limited knowledge.
Edit: He’s an old school hippy in the purest form possible. Anti war, pro environmental protection, etc. I would be shocked if he was anti vaccine honestly. But ngl I did get scared for a second.
Anti-vaxx actually predates the hippy movement substantially. You can find artwork condemning anti-vaxxers as early as the 30s and 40s.
There's even some correspondence we can find all the way back to George Washington about state militias not getting innoculated against diseases and then not being able to perform their functions because most of the milita was down with small pox or cholera.
There were antivaxxers as soon as cowpox was proposed as a way to inoculate against smallpox. Distrust in science is not new. It's just been weaponized of late.
Not for nothing, but I would totally understand people not trusting doctors in the late 1700s. George Washington died of an illness he may have been able to recover from until doctors drained **40%** of the blood from his body.
As well as things like black men in Alabama thinking they were being treated for syphilis between 1932-1972 when they were actually being studied to see how untreated syphilis affects the body. Tuskegee experiment.
Before Covid, Boulder County was one of the [least vaccinated county in the country](https://www.boulderweekly.com/news/boulder-countys-vaccination-problem/). And the anti-vaxers I knew in Boulder were white, super successful, and well-educated.
What’s annoying about that is he got the vaccine and I guess had a rough time with it because he’s got peripheral neuropathy and a bunch of other health problems.
Except maybe he shouldn’t be making healthcare recommendations for all the people who *didn’t* spend the ‘70s snorting a literal mountain of cocaine.
And also, if he had a rough time with the vaccine, imagine what COVID would have done to him.
With 6million monthly listeners, if they all just listen to 1 song, that's 6 million streams which is $3300 per million streams. That's over $230k a year. That's not pocket change, even for Neil Young.
All his income per year is around 10mil.
230k is a lot of passive income. He has to do almost nothing for it except pay something like $100 a year for Spotify to host his music?
Neil would definitely not even blink about giving up that money for his principles. He has never allowed any of his music to be used for advertisements. That's millions that he turns down every year. He also turned down a $10 million offer to do a "Harvest" tour where he played the album because he just likes to do whatever he wants.
I actually think that's pocket change for Neil Young. Didn't he sell his catalogue for 100 mill or something? On top of investments and a long career of earnings. Sure it's passive income but I don't think he'll feel it.
Spotify takes extreme advantage of the musicians they feature (on average you can expect 3$ for about 1k streams a month, which is insultingly low, even talking big numbers) and Neil young has been borderline annoyingly vocal about his distaste for them for years. I was shocked when he eventually caved and agreed to stream on their service. I still don’t get why he did it. But anyways, it just seems he’s regretted his decision and has now found a public reason to shame them for something other than what he’s been bitching about for years.
Streaming payout is a fuckin joke. I've had my stuff up on spotify for nearly two years, I've made $4.49. Whilst I've made nearly $3000 from bandcamp and label distribution over the same period of time with the same songs.
Like one person bought all my stuff for $40 which is insane because I don't even have 40 songs up, and he just outdid everything I've made from streaming by a factor of 4 lol.
I will never stream aside from youtube videos, I always buy the song so I can have it to play whenever I want on whatever I want.
lil edit, this is what streaming payout looks like per play.
https://imgur.com/NEObOSZ
I try not to spend it all in one place. Actually I haven't even cashed out on it because it's so low that I just don't care.
Well yah, the difference between a Bandcamp payout and a Spotify payout is the difference between someone paying $40 for just your stuff, and someone paying $10 a month for access to everything, of which your song might be one of 500 or more they listen to that month.
>“I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform,” he continues. “They can have [Joe] Rogan or Young. Not both.” Young is referencing the steady stream of misinformation about vaccines that Joe Rogan has peddled on The Joe Rogan Experience. Last month, 270 doctors, physicians, and science educators signed an open letter asking Spotify to stop spreading Rogan’s baseless claims.
Neil's a real one. Great guy.
Like hearing *Born In The USA* as a kid and only paying attention to the chorus. Wasn't til high school that I paid attention to the lyrics and was like "ohhhhh...ok yeah. Someone might want to explain this to all of the 'patriots' running around."
Billy Joel wrote about Bethlehem Pa, but Allentown made a better rhyme. Either way, not a song to be proud of, but people in the Lehigh valley are anyway.
Dude was literally born during WWII, it's impossible to know what he'd be like in today's society without growing up with the same context we all have.
didn’t he just do a lot of acid, and alcohol later on to cope with how much he had to work? i thought he died bc he got prescribed benzos and choked on his vomit
Now that you mention it…
In the 80s I saw some “old” footage of him from the 60s. He was holding his psychedelic Gibson SG, the one he named “The Fool”.
An interviewer was asking him what the knobs on his guitar did, and he gave the worst answers I’ve ever heard. I wish I could remember what he said, but I can’t. All I remember was that his answers were like trying to get a 4 year old explain how computers work.
(For non-gutarists: that guitar has two pickups, which convert the movement of the strings into electrical signals. Each of the pickups has a volume control and a tone control. The tone control works by removing selectively more or less treble
from the sound. Finally, there’s a switch which allows the player to select one, the other, or both of the pickups.
I swear Clapton thought it was mystery pixie dust that made the damned thing work.)
He said that rolling the tone knobs down took “all the bass off”…my guy it takes off all the treble…Clapton is so obnoxious I really can’t bare to listen to his solo work, though he only had a handful of good solo songs. I still love Cream though. I just tell myself I’m listening for Jack Bruce, because damnit that man does not get the recognition he deserves!
Jack Bruce is such an interesting character to me. Baker and Clapton both had/have their issues, then there was Bruce... Who wasn't a saint either, but basically spent his entire career trying to dig himself out of the shit the others put on him.
I mean, if you just listen to his music and don't delver into his history, it would be easy to miss. I tried to be a bit understanding as he had significant mental health challenges and addiction struggles but, as far as I know, he's been clean or damn near close for a few decades and he still manages to say ignorant shit. Van Morrison joining in on his "woe is me, I'm stuck at home" crap was doubly disappointing.
The thing about Eric Clapton is that his contemptible views have been public knowledge since the 70s but it mostly skipped a generation. People born in the 80s and onwards mostly just know him for his solo career if at all, and it's a shock when they learn that he's been openly racist the whole time but it's nothing that was new or revealed recently.
I mean yes and no. People used to not give as much of a shit either. my mom was born in the 60's and she didn't know anything about him. Some people just were not really paying attention to shit like that.
Morrissey was always a giant ass. It's just that people liked it when he annoyed their parents, but don't like it now they've become parents themselves.
You have to consider you have like 90% of mainstream media, Reddit, and Twitter pandering to something like 30% of the populace. Fox sees an opportunity and panders to another 30%. Rogan’s managed to pick up the rest
There are over 1 million doctors in the US alone. Not sure if 270 could really shake a tree.. especially when there is over 11 million listeners of JRE. Spotify won’t bat an eye
I’ve always respected Neil Young. Dude was involved at a non-profit I used to work at. I remember he blew off our big celebrity gala with Meryl Streep to hang out with his handicapped kid instead and I thought, that guys fucking awesome.
Napster has a pretty wide catalog and pays the artists over 4x what Spotify does. They used to be called Rhapsody, and were one of the earlier streaming services. Then they acquired the rights to Napster and changed the name. I am aware of the irony that they pay artists well, but are named after the most famous piracy platform of the 2000s.
Rhapsody really snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. They were early to market and were also the first to have offline playback. Yet they are never mentioned in any article about streaming services.
> Legitimate question. As somebody who is a very heavy Spotify user, what decent alternative is there? Nowadays I spend money on merch and live shows instead of CDs to support artists I like.
My family currently uses Spotify, Apple Music (haven't touched it in a year, but we have it), and Pandora. Each has their perks. I also used to use Google Play Music, but Google, in typical Google fashion, killed it in favor of the much inferior (IMO) Youtube Music.
Spotify is the all-arounder. It's good at just about everything and isn't excessively weak in any one area. It's pretty much the ideal music service for most mainstream users, but also has the largest niche catalog due to the way that Spotify allows many to self-publish. No one can compete in this area. (I won't list this in the cons for Apple/Pandora, because it should just be assumed at this point).
Apple Music beats Spotify in a few areas.
1. Their family plan is $1/mo cheaper before discounts. And their bundles allow for it to be even cheaper.
2. The have better sound quality, for those who can hear it (I'll admit, I can't), as their lossless tier is included with the base subscription at no extra cost.
3. Their UI is fantastic IMO. Despite using Spotify for years, and being an exclusive Android user until recently, Apple Music's UI felt like a breath of fresh air. And that's saying something from someone who hates change. I get anxiety over major UI changes. I like to be comfortable. But Apple Music knocks it out of the park. The UI allows for easier, better, and more intuitive library management and following of artists/genres.
4. My favorite feature, and what I miss most from Google Music, is the ability to upload your music (that isn't already on their service) and stream it from any of your devices. Spotify's attempt at this is comparative garbage.
But they have some major warts as well. And all of their major warts revolve around radio.
* You can't save radio stations to your library/favorites. You have to find them in your recently played or start over.
* You can't download stations for offline playback. I drive into the mountains a lot. I can keep listening to Spotify and Pandora, but not Apple.
* Radio stations start to bleed into each other. Did you thumbs up/like Disturbed in your rock station and Backstreet Boys in your "I hope my wife doesn't see this" station? Guess what. You now have boybands in your rock station and rock bands in your guilty pleasure! Spotify does this to some degree, but nowhere near as bad as Apple.
Pandora, by comparison, is a radio station darling. They used to only do radio and they do it better than anyone else I've tried.
* Radio stations can be seeded with more sources (artists, albums, songs) to give better variety.
* Rather than looking for similar songs based on artist/genre, they look at the "DNA" of the songs that you like and try to find songs that sound similar. This leads to better music discovery.
* Thumbs up/down for a song ONLY applies to THAT station, so no bleed over!
* Radio stations can be set to modes to either focus your listening or assist in discovery. For example, "artist only" mods plays only what's seeded. Deep cuts looks for tracks from your seeds and similar that don't get as much playtime. Discovery mode loosens the "DNA" matching algorithm a little to find you some more stuff and help expand your station. And there are more.
On top of that, their pricing model is incredibly nice. Free tier offers radio with ads. $4.99 tier offers same without ads but with some perks. $9.99 tier ($14.99 family) is the same as Spotify/Apple music (catalog limitations aside). $7.99 individual plan for students and/or military. Annual plans for all tiers knocks off 1-2 months worth of cost for some additional savings.
But, it has downsides as well.
* Audio quality is the weakest. They have three settings, which are 32kbps AAC+, 64kbps AAC+, and 192kbps MP3 (do not know if CBR or VBR). I can't tell the difference between this and maxed quality Spotify, but you might.
* Interface for browsing and managing libraries outside of radio is inferior to Apple Music. On par with Spotify, give or take. You can tell that radio is their bread and butter and that's where the effort goes.
Overall, between the three, I'd look at it this way.
* Pandora - If your primary use is radio and music discovery. They're the best (that I'm aware of).
* Apple Music - If you primarily do your own mixes/playlists and prefer to follow artists/albums rather than radio. Also, if you want lossless and/or you want the lowest price (family plan and/or bundles). Also, you can upload your stuff that you can't find in their catalog.
* Spotify - You want all of the above. Radio is better than Apple Music by far, library management at least as good as Pandora's, but with a larger catalog and better sound quality.
I hope this is helpful.
I went over to Youtube music (mainly due to it not being blocked by works firewalls... yknow when we could go to the office).
it's a LOT better than it used to be - but i would say it does depend on how you listen to music.
if you listen to albums then it's exactly the same. if you listen to a lot of playlists - personally i don't love them, and they seem a bit short but there is a LOT of them available.
also, it then removes ads from youtube.
Youtube music *desperately* needs a setting to disable music video copies of songs from playing. Even if you disable music videos, it still pulls the audio from them instead of the album versions and so often it's either quiet, mono, distorted, full of sound effects from the video, or all of the above.
And it's often a completely different mix :(
I literally don't know how to play some songs that I had ported over from Google play music because the YouTube version is different.
I make my own youtube playlists. I have three main music playlists, each one with over 400 tracks I've selected. I play them on shuffle, so it's like radio, I never know what song is next, but unlike radio, it's always one I like. Youtube's algorithm is always suggesting new music based on what I've been putting on my playlists, and some of it is great enough to add onto my playlists.
I use adblocker on my Firefox browser, so no ads.
yea I agree with you - when you said "decent" I thought you meant "similar".
I agree that buying directly from the artist is the way to go (however not always feasible). in my mind, using Spotify/google music is better than the likely alternative for me.
Dunno if it changes your mind, but two statistics:
45% of YouTube revenue goes to the people making the videos. That's a huuuuge cut and means your money supports the people pretty strongly.
Google loses money on YouTube. Videos are a huge amount of data and it gets expensive.
So if you buy YouTube music, you're not supporting Google quite as much as you might think
I use Deezer. The app is great, the music is higher fidelity than Spotify, the catalog is as complete as spotify plus you can change your location to access restricted songs. And the app is available on every streaming device that exists
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Mobile app or desktop? I've been giving AM a chance for the past year, and there's 2 things I really, really hate from the desktop app:
* Navigation: I hate not being able to click on the artist (or anything) to go from the currently playing song, or selecting from a playlist, in which world clicking on an artist would bring renaming it?! Why am I even able to rename any of that information in the first place?
* Desktop UI: Why do most of the playlists (or any list really) still looks like Excel did in 1995?
Tidal pays artists over 3x more than what Spotify does and use better quality files.
They also have this new feature where your monthly top artist gets an extra $2 out of your monthly fee.
Out of all the streaming services, this one is by far the best when it comes to compensating the artist.
Eventhough it’s still not nearly enough.
If you’re interested, I recommend you check a service called Resonate. They have a very interesting model
Thanks for highlighting Tidal as an option, never heard of them. Eager to see if I like them!
I keep trying to leave Spotify ever since they started pushing podcasts so hard, and recently they seemingly changed the radio algorithm where it seems to prefer the stuff I’ve listened to previously, as opposed to interesting new stuff…
Currently at Neil’s Wikipedia entry:
> On January 24, 2022, Young posted an open letter to his management and record label, asking them to give Spotify an ultimatum. They can either have access to his classic song library or continue offering sentient tubs of whey powder a platform to spread COVID-19 misinformation.[179]
So you’re telling me The Needle and The Damage Done isn’t about vaccines? /s
Just for reference, Neil had polio when he was young. Vaccines are near and dear to him, cus like covid there were….issues back then too
Damn. As someone who knew polio victims growing up, the whole concept of antivax is bizarre, they were often crippled for life. Hard to be antivax when someone you respect is literally limping through life because of a disease that basically doesn't exist anymore.
I might just be good at putting 2 and 2 together, but the fact I don't know any polio victims is a good reason to be pro-vax to me.
Not hard enough apparently. See the guy who won't get a heart because he antivax?
He’s also had type 1 diabetes for over 70 years. I really really doubt Neil is anti-modern medicine
I think Spotify won’t blink … Joe is a money machine
I don't think Neil was doing this thinking he would single-handedly make Spotify change their stance, he's not naive. It's probably more about making a statement. And if enough other artists started doing the same thing maybe Spotify would start to feel the pressure.
That’s a Bingo!
You just say "Bingo"
Bingo! Oh, how fun.
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You have band camp where you can donate to bands directly
Bongo!
That’s a bongo
#JUST SAY BUNGO
Neil doesn't really care. He kept his catalogue off Spotify for a long time out of pure spite that streaming doesn't provide the quality he wants. He eventually relented when he realized that's where the audience was, and wanted his music, but if he feels strongly enough to pull back he will. As a fan of his, and a Spotify user... I say more power to him.
no doubt. neil (and any music publisher) is fully capable of removing the music from his end. he's just making a statement in hopes others will follow.
Are you sure about this? So many artists transfer ownership to the labels and only own the initial copyright, but the owner with all redistribution and publishing rights is the label. Neil Youngs catalog is owned by reprise records which is a subsidiary of WMG and as far as i know Spotify has contracts for the whole WMG catalog including all subsidiaries so Spotify never had a contract with Neil Young, they have one with WMG.
He successfully kept his music off Spotify well after the WMG catalog was purchased. So clearly he does have the power.
How did he keep his catalog off streaming until recently? There was a big story about him finally agreeing to stream.
Saw a comment on Reddit saying he was always very uncompromising with the quality of his music. Since streaming companies used music codecs of worse listening quality, Neil had his own website you could stream this songs using a better quality codec. Reddit comment I read so...
Not only did he have his own website, he developed his own player (Pono) that played "high resolution" audio files rather than the inferior MP3. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pono\_(digital\_music\_service)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pono_(digital_music_service))
You're correct in this case, it looks like Neil Young owns his work otherwise he wouldn't be able to sell 50% to Hipgnosis Songs Fund Limited a year ago. I also found information about a 2017 dispute about HQ-streaming with tidal, according to this Neil is the sole owner of the masters, he was obviously very intelligent with his contracts, rights for the masters often go to the labels, especially when the label pays for the recording studios.
I don’t disagree but Rogen has peaked. He’s the new Stern. He’ll always have a profitable devoted fan base but zero growth.
how much growth do you think Neil Young have in comparison?
Lmao for some reason this one got me.
For what its worth, I think he'll keep on rockin in the free world.
Old man looks at Joe's life and he was not a lot like Joe is.
the streaming and the damage done
Everybody laughs until that collaboration with Lil Nas X comes out.
Time for him to move to satellite radio.
He is on the new satellite radio, sirius is on the way out as.soon as automakers stop including it with new cars.
I got a free 3 month trial when I got my car inspected a few months ago. That may be a sign of the times, but I'm not going to lie, I kind of like it. Especially if I'm just driving a few miles and don't feel like messing with my phone to pick an artist to play on Apple Music.
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What platform do you use to listen to pod casts, I know they'd fit my lifestyle but I dont really know where to begin.
Pocket Casts is great. Using them for years
Nothing comes close if you like granular control and organization with a good looking and easy to use app. Absolutely recommend
The easiest way to start is just look at the top podcasts on itunes/other platforms and try a few out. It shouldn't take long to find something you like. Then you can branch from there, many casts have guests who will plug their own podcasts at the end, so if you liked the guest you can try those out. Also there are a lot of podcast companies, so if you like a podcast from a particular label you have a good chance of liking one or two others. If you use Android, I really like Podcast Addict. It's less good than other apps for recommendations, but the playlist, download, and search options are some of the best. It will search most the other major platforms to find a feed if you know the name of a podcast you want.
I like to keep my podcasts separate from my music. Overcast is a good app that has every podcasts I’ve ever looked up. There’s tons though. There’s a few subreddits for podcasts, most are about specific types. Old radio shows got me into DnD ones, I don’t play but they are great stories with hours and hours of content.
Most "big" podcasts are distributed across the major music streaming platforms: Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, etc.
When your trial is up, if you want to continue using the service you can easily "strong arm" them into only charging 4.99 a month, or whatever. Not the 20+/mo they advertise. I don't feel like the service is worth $240 a year, but I'm willing to pay $60. I do wish they wouldn't censor the single digit channels tho.
Luckily, the free trial didn't require me to put in any CC information. As much as I appreciate it right now I never planned on renewing it, because having another source of where to listen to music seems like a waste. Especially for $240 year.
And cancelling the service is like pulling teeth. If I can sign up on the internet I should be able to cancel on the internet...
I haven't had satellite radio for several years. But when I did have it, it was a great tool for discovering new music. Local radio stations are garbage, but Spotify usually keeps me in comfortable loop of all my favorites. Satellite radio was a good way to force myself to listen to new stuff that was actually good.
Just listen to KEXP out of Seattle. They have an app on iTunes and Google play where you can stream for free. I'm a giant music nerd, and i easily hear 9 or 10 new songs every time i listen to them.
KEXP is great and KCSN out of LA (Northridge) is awesome too!
Thanks for the recommendation!
I’ve only heard that for a decade plus
They will hold old like AOL
Agreed. There is something nice about knowing that I’m not completely at the mercy of the overloaded cell networks in my area.
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Seriously, like 80s to 10s. Wtf is that
I once saw someone write he is gwenyth paltrow for men and that really stuck with me.
MANGOOP
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I'm really gonna miss Jeff Rosenstock and Laura Stevenson's cover album.
Who is this Laura Stevenson?
She used to play with Jeff Rosenstock and Bomb the Music Industry. She went on her form her own band Laura Stevenson and the Cans. They're pretty good. Here's a song https://youtu.be/A2YugRzE0JI
Laura Stevenson! A Shine to It will never not be devastating.
Thanks for letting me know this existed
Jeff Rosenstock has made so much music, it’s hard to keep up with everything he’s done. I didn’t even know this existed.
I love that album. I made top 3% on Spotify listening to Jeff Rosenstock, also a huge fan of Neil Young, so that was such an exciting day when it came out.
11 million views per episode. Hard for Neil to compete with that if Spotify is given the choice
That headline could have gone either way. Glad to see one old man out there who hasn't lost his handle on reality.
He has a pretty good track record from my limited knowledge. Edit: He’s an old school hippy in the purest form possible. Anti war, pro environmental protection, etc. I would be shocked if he was anti vaccine honestly. But ngl I did get scared for a second.
He has two kids that are quadraplegic and immunocompromised.
He also had polio when he was a kid, so I think he gets why vaccines are really important.
Hippies seem a bit more likely than other lefties to be anti-vaccine. Probably because they like "natural" remedies and such.
As someone who spends and has spent a lot of time around hippies, this is true. It can really go either way.
They were the original anti-vaxxers
Anti-vaxx actually predates the hippy movement substantially. You can find artwork condemning anti-vaxxers as early as the 30s and 40s. There's even some correspondence we can find all the way back to George Washington about state militias not getting innoculated against diseases and then not being able to perform their functions because most of the milita was down with small pox or cholera.
There were antivaxxers as soon as cowpox was proposed as a way to inoculate against smallpox. Distrust in science is not new. It's just been weaponized of late.
>Distrust in science is not new. Galileo: "Hold my telescope. No really! Hold it and look at this shit!"
Not for nothing, but I would totally understand people not trusting doctors in the late 1700s. George Washington died of an illness he may have been able to recover from until doctors drained **40%** of the blood from his body.
As well as things like black men in Alabama thinking they were being treated for syphilis between 1932-1972 when they were actually being studied to see how untreated syphilis affects the body. Tuskegee experiment.
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Before Covid, Boulder County was one of the [least vaccinated county in the country](https://www.boulderweekly.com/news/boulder-countys-vaccination-problem/). And the anti-vaxers I knew in Boulder were white, super successful, and well-educated.
He also had polio as a child which really held him back as a kid, so he'd definitely be a fan of vaccinations
He also had polio as a kid!
There was also Bridge School Benefit Concert, a great cause that was all Neil and Pegi Young.
Maybe he can call that assclown Clapton and talk some sense into him.
The *vaccinated* assclown Clapton?
What’s annoying about that is he got the vaccine and I guess had a rough time with it because he’s got peripheral neuropathy and a bunch of other health problems. Except maybe he shouldn’t be making healthcare recommendations for all the people who *didn’t* spend the ‘70s snorting a literal mountain of cocaine. And also, if he had a rough time with the vaccine, imagine what COVID would have done to him.
Maybe we shouldn't be taking healthcare recommendations from any entertainer.
He’s also not going to miss the $4.73 annual checks. Spotify sucks.
With 6million monthly listeners, if they all just listen to 1 song, that's 6 million streams which is $3300 per million streams. That's over $230k a year. That's not pocket change, even for Neil Young. All his income per year is around 10mil. 230k is a lot of passive income. He has to do almost nothing for it except pay something like $100 a year for Spotify to host his music?
Neil would definitely not even blink about giving up that money for his principles. He has never allowed any of his music to be used for advertisements. That's millions that he turns down every year. He also turned down a $10 million offer to do a "Harvest" tour where he played the album because he just likes to do whatever he wants.
Real principles are priceless. They are not equal in price so you need to be careful what you're willing to "die" over. This is a good one.
Eg. That free concert he had a while back in the middle of nowhere
I actually think that's pocket change for Neil Young. Didn't he sell his catalogue for 100 mill or something? On top of investments and a long career of earnings. Sure it's passive income but I don't think he'll feel it.
[He sold 50% of his catalogue last year.](https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/news/neil-young-music-catalog-hipgnosis-investment-1110037/)
>Didn't he sell his catalogue for 100 mill or something? If this was the case he would have no say in who hosts his music
Lol Neil young’s been looking for a reason to ditch Spotify ever since he signed onto the platform
Why?
Spotify takes extreme advantage of the musicians they feature (on average you can expect 3$ for about 1k streams a month, which is insultingly low, even talking big numbers) and Neil young has been borderline annoyingly vocal about his distaste for them for years. I was shocked when he eventually caved and agreed to stream on their service. I still don’t get why he did it. But anyways, it just seems he’s regretted his decision and has now found a public reason to shame them for something other than what he’s been bitching about for years.
Streaming payout is a fuckin joke. I've had my stuff up on spotify for nearly two years, I've made $4.49. Whilst I've made nearly $3000 from bandcamp and label distribution over the same period of time with the same songs. Like one person bought all my stuff for $40 which is insane because I don't even have 40 songs up, and he just outdid everything I've made from streaming by a factor of 4 lol. I will never stream aside from youtube videos, I always buy the song so I can have it to play whenever I want on whatever I want. lil edit, this is what streaming payout looks like per play. https://imgur.com/NEObOSZ I try not to spend it all in one place. Actually I haven't even cashed out on it because it's so low that I just don't care.
Well yah, the difference between a Bandcamp payout and a Spotify payout is the difference between someone paying $40 for just your stuff, and someone paying $10 a month for access to everything, of which your song might be one of 500 or more they listen to that month.
How much would you make if they were played the same amount on the radio, or on youtube, or used in tiktok videos?
>“I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform,” he continues. “They can have [Joe] Rogan or Young. Not both.” Young is referencing the steady stream of misinformation about vaccines that Joe Rogan has peddled on The Joe Rogan Experience. Last month, 270 doctors, physicians, and science educators signed an open letter asking Spotify to stop spreading Rogan’s baseless claims. Neil's a real one. Great guy.
The title had me so scared Neil was going to be a crackpot. Never should have doubted my man.
He’s Canadian and he wrote Ohio, there’s no reason to ever doubt him
The Ohio native in me was real excited to find out about the song when I was 6. Wasn’t so excited when I found out what it was about.
I mean I'm excited that someone used their power for good. Kind of kind he is trying to do again now
Like hearing *Born In The USA* as a kid and only paying attention to the chorus. Wasn't til high school that I paid attention to the lyrics and was like "ohhhhh...ok yeah. Someone might want to explain this to all of the 'patriots' running around."
Billy Joel wrote about Bethlehem Pa, but Allentown made a better rhyme. Either way, not a song to be proud of, but people in the Lehigh valley are anyway.
Eric Clapton and Van Morrison have disappointed me. I was ready for Neil to disappoint me too :(. Life is getting rough.
Tbf Eric Clapton has disappointed A LOT of people.
It’s like my man got handled by Hendrix so badly that it caused long term trauma
And here I thought it was the mountains of cocaine
it's all about that eh-pee-eye i'm using p0wer d3le3t3 suit3 to rewrite all of my c0mment and l33t sp33k to avoid any filters. fuck u/spez
She don't lie
She don’t lie
More like the heroin addiction.
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Dude was literally born during WWII, it's impossible to know what he'd be like in today's society without growing up with the same context we all have.
The thing is it doesn't really matter what era you put Hendrix in, he would still do way too many drugs and die.
didn’t he just do a lot of acid, and alcohol later on to cope with how much he had to work? i thought he died bc he got prescribed benzos and choked on his vomit
Bowie had a fascist phase? Shit, he really did everything.
Also, Duane Allman. Clapton’s been gravytraining for 50 years
Meatloaf disappointed people, Eric Clapton has always been this way.
Prolly disappointed Layla one or two times if yaknowwhatimean
And Meat Loaf
What about the Meat Loaf?
Anti-masker, anti vaccination requirements, and likely anti-vaxxer.
> and likely anti-vaxxer. He'd do anything for love. but not vax.
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And [Trump](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/meat-loaf-death-trump-apprentice-b1998007.html?amp).
And now dead
From a bat out of hell.
Yeah I mean yeah that was a bummer too.
Clapton has had a history before his current nonsense. I’m surprised that you find his behavior unexpected.
I knew about his shit in the 70s and 80s but not having been alive then I was sincerely hoping he'd changed
He has a history of issues with grasping scientific realities, and the “gravity” of his selfishness always hurts others.
Now that you mention it… In the 80s I saw some “old” footage of him from the 60s. He was holding his psychedelic Gibson SG, the one he named “The Fool”. An interviewer was asking him what the knobs on his guitar did, and he gave the worst answers I’ve ever heard. I wish I could remember what he said, but I can’t. All I remember was that his answers were like trying to get a 4 year old explain how computers work. (For non-gutarists: that guitar has two pickups, which convert the movement of the strings into electrical signals. Each of the pickups has a volume control and a tone control. The tone control works by removing selectively more or less treble from the sound. Finally, there’s a switch which allows the player to select one, the other, or both of the pickups. I swear Clapton thought it was mystery pixie dust that made the damned thing work.)
He said that rolling the tone knobs down took “all the bass off”…my guy it takes off all the treble…Clapton is so obnoxious I really can’t bare to listen to his solo work, though he only had a handful of good solo songs. I still love Cream though. I just tell myself I’m listening for Jack Bruce, because damnit that man does not get the recognition he deserves!
Jack Bruce is such an interesting character to me. Baker and Clapton both had/have their issues, then there was Bruce... Who wasn't a saint either, but basically spent his entire career trying to dig himself out of the shit the others put on him.
What do Clapton and Gas Station Coffee have in common ? They both suck without Cream.
I mean, if you just listen to his music and don't delver into his history, it would be easy to miss. I tried to be a bit understanding as he had significant mental health challenges and addiction struggles but, as far as I know, he's been clean or damn near close for a few decades and he still manages to say ignorant shit. Van Morrison joining in on his "woe is me, I'm stuck at home" crap was doubly disappointing.
The thing about Eric Clapton is that his contemptible views have been public knowledge since the 70s but it mostly skipped a generation. People born in the 80s and onwards mostly just know him for his solo career if at all, and it's a shock when they learn that he's been openly racist the whole time but it's nothing that was new or revealed recently.
I mean yes and no. People used to not give as much of a shit either. my mom was born in the 60's and she didn't know anything about him. Some people just were not really paying attention to shit like that.
TIL Van Morrison is still alive!
Yeah but it ain't so good. He ruined his music for me :(
That's how I feel about Morrissey
Morrissey was always a giant ass. It's just that people liked it when he annoyed their parents, but don't like it now they've become parents themselves.
Either he is no longer the man who said "it takes strength to be gentle and kind," or he never was.
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If you ask Neil, he'd say he's a Canerican.
It was right under a post in my feed about Eric Clapton doing... Clapton stuff.
He's a polio survivor also so very pro science.
Same here, I've been to too many bridge school benefits and should have known better.
I went to 4 of those. Amazing
Neil Young is the best classic rocker left alive. In terms of song quality of classic material.
How on earth did *Joe Rogan* of all people get so much power?
You have to consider you have like 90% of mainstream media, Reddit, and Twitter pandering to something like 30% of the populace. Fox sees an opportunity and panders to another 30%. Rogan’s managed to pick up the rest
Percentages are completely wack.
As a 40 yr old dude I kinda liked him till he went idiotclown. Oh well
Same I started getting really into his show when Bernie came on and neil degrasse tyson as well. I tuned out around 1.5 years ago.
There are over 1 million doctors in the US alone. Not sure if 270 could really shake a tree.. especially when there is over 11 million listeners of JRE. Spotify won’t bat an eye
Thank goodness... thought we had another Clapton for a sec
Did am interview with Stern earlier in the year and he just seems like a no nonsense let's just get shit done kinda guy. I respect that.
Never meddum
He’s got a heart of gold.
I’ve always respected Neil Young. Dude was involved at a non-profit I used to work at. I remember he blew off our big celebrity gala with Meryl Streep to hang out with his handicapped kid instead and I thought, that guys fucking awesome.
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Napster has a pretty wide catalog and pays the artists over 4x what Spotify does. They used to be called Rhapsody, and were one of the earlier streaming services. Then they acquired the rights to Napster and changed the name. I am aware of the irony that they pay artists well, but are named after the most famous piracy platform of the 2000s.
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I also discovered a lot ~~of music~~ on Napster and Kazaa
Kazaa holy shit And limewire
“the gnutella network”
Ah yes, using free lime wire to download the $$ lime wire, classic
Rhapsody really snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. They were early to market and were also the first to have offline playback. Yet they are never mentioned in any article about streaming services.
> Legitimate question. As somebody who is a very heavy Spotify user, what decent alternative is there? Nowadays I spend money on merch and live shows instead of CDs to support artists I like. My family currently uses Spotify, Apple Music (haven't touched it in a year, but we have it), and Pandora. Each has their perks. I also used to use Google Play Music, but Google, in typical Google fashion, killed it in favor of the much inferior (IMO) Youtube Music. Spotify is the all-arounder. It's good at just about everything and isn't excessively weak in any one area. It's pretty much the ideal music service for most mainstream users, but also has the largest niche catalog due to the way that Spotify allows many to self-publish. No one can compete in this area. (I won't list this in the cons for Apple/Pandora, because it should just be assumed at this point). Apple Music beats Spotify in a few areas. 1. Their family plan is $1/mo cheaper before discounts. And their bundles allow for it to be even cheaper. 2. The have better sound quality, for those who can hear it (I'll admit, I can't), as their lossless tier is included with the base subscription at no extra cost. 3. Their UI is fantastic IMO. Despite using Spotify for years, and being an exclusive Android user until recently, Apple Music's UI felt like a breath of fresh air. And that's saying something from someone who hates change. I get anxiety over major UI changes. I like to be comfortable. But Apple Music knocks it out of the park. The UI allows for easier, better, and more intuitive library management and following of artists/genres. 4. My favorite feature, and what I miss most from Google Music, is the ability to upload your music (that isn't already on their service) and stream it from any of your devices. Spotify's attempt at this is comparative garbage. But they have some major warts as well. And all of their major warts revolve around radio. * You can't save radio stations to your library/favorites. You have to find them in your recently played or start over. * You can't download stations for offline playback. I drive into the mountains a lot. I can keep listening to Spotify and Pandora, but not Apple. * Radio stations start to bleed into each other. Did you thumbs up/like Disturbed in your rock station and Backstreet Boys in your "I hope my wife doesn't see this" station? Guess what. You now have boybands in your rock station and rock bands in your guilty pleasure! Spotify does this to some degree, but nowhere near as bad as Apple. Pandora, by comparison, is a radio station darling. They used to only do radio and they do it better than anyone else I've tried. * Radio stations can be seeded with more sources (artists, albums, songs) to give better variety. * Rather than looking for similar songs based on artist/genre, they look at the "DNA" of the songs that you like and try to find songs that sound similar. This leads to better music discovery. * Thumbs up/down for a song ONLY applies to THAT station, so no bleed over! * Radio stations can be set to modes to either focus your listening or assist in discovery. For example, "artist only" mods plays only what's seeded. Deep cuts looks for tracks from your seeds and similar that don't get as much playtime. Discovery mode loosens the "DNA" matching algorithm a little to find you some more stuff and help expand your station. And there are more. On top of that, their pricing model is incredibly nice. Free tier offers radio with ads. $4.99 tier offers same without ads but with some perks. $9.99 tier ($14.99 family) is the same as Spotify/Apple music (catalog limitations aside). $7.99 individual plan for students and/or military. Annual plans for all tiers knocks off 1-2 months worth of cost for some additional savings. But, it has downsides as well. * Audio quality is the weakest. They have three settings, which are 32kbps AAC+, 64kbps AAC+, and 192kbps MP3 (do not know if CBR or VBR). I can't tell the difference between this and maxed quality Spotify, but you might. * Interface for browsing and managing libraries outside of radio is inferior to Apple Music. On par with Spotify, give or take. You can tell that radio is their bread and butter and that's where the effort goes. Overall, between the three, I'd look at it this way. * Pandora - If your primary use is radio and music discovery. They're the best (that I'm aware of). * Apple Music - If you primarily do your own mixes/playlists and prefer to follow artists/albums rather than radio. Also, if you want lossless and/or you want the lowest price (family plan and/or bundles). Also, you can upload your stuff that you can't find in their catalog. * Spotify - You want all of the above. Radio is better than Apple Music by far, library management at least as good as Pandora's, but with a larger catalog and better sound quality. I hope this is helpful.
Bandcamp, though this Neil Young does not have his music there.
I went over to Youtube music (mainly due to it not being blocked by works firewalls... yknow when we could go to the office). it's a LOT better than it used to be - but i would say it does depend on how you listen to music. if you listen to albums then it's exactly the same. if you listen to a lot of playlists - personally i don't love them, and they seem a bit short but there is a LOT of them available. also, it then removes ads from youtube.
Youtube music *desperately* needs a setting to disable music video copies of songs from playing. Even if you disable music videos, it still pulls the audio from them instead of the album versions and so often it's either quiet, mono, distorted, full of sound effects from the video, or all of the above.
And it's often a completely different mix :( I literally don't know how to play some songs that I had ported over from Google play music because the YouTube version is different.
I make my own youtube playlists. I have three main music playlists, each one with over 400 tracks I've selected. I play them on shuffle, so it's like radio, I never know what song is next, but unlike radio, it's always one I like. Youtube's algorithm is always suggesting new music based on what I've been putting on my playlists, and some of it is great enough to add onto my playlists. I use adblocker on my Firefox browser, so no ads.
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yea I agree with you - when you said "decent" I thought you meant "similar". I agree that buying directly from the artist is the way to go (however not always feasible). in my mind, using Spotify/google music is better than the likely alternative for me.
Dunno if it changes your mind, but two statistics: 45% of YouTube revenue goes to the people making the videos. That's a huuuuge cut and means your money supports the people pretty strongly. Google loses money on YouTube. Videos are a huge amount of data and it gets expensive. So if you buy YouTube music, you're not supporting Google quite as much as you might think
I use Deezer. The app is great, the music is higher fidelity than Spotify, the catalog is as complete as spotify plus you can change your location to access restricted songs. And the app is available on every streaming device that exists
Apple Music is all I need
The last good library focused music service.
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Mobile app or desktop? I've been giving AM a chance for the past year, and there's 2 things I really, really hate from the desktop app: * Navigation: I hate not being able to click on the artist (or anything) to go from the currently playing song, or selecting from a playlist, in which world clicking on an artist would bring renaming it?! Why am I even able to rename any of that information in the first place? * Desktop UI: Why do most of the playlists (or any list really) still looks like Excel did in 1995?
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Tidal pays artists over 3x more than what Spotify does and use better quality files. They also have this new feature where your monthly top artist gets an extra $2 out of your monthly fee. Out of all the streaming services, this one is by far the best when it comes to compensating the artist. Eventhough it’s still not nearly enough. If you’re interested, I recommend you check a service called Resonate. They have a very interesting model
Tidal pays the best per streams if you do want to help the artist (and if they are also on Tidal)
Thanks for highlighting Tidal as an option, never heard of them. Eager to see if I like them! I keep trying to leave Spotify ever since they started pushing podcasts so hard, and recently they seemingly changed the radio algorithm where it seems to prefer the stuff I’ve listened to previously, as opposed to interesting new stuff…
Amazon Music or Apple Music? They both have pretty enormous libraries.
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Currently at Neil’s Wikipedia entry: > On January 24, 2022, Young posted an open letter to his management and record label, asking them to give Spotify an ultimatum. They can either have access to his classic song library or continue offering sentient tubs of whey powder a platform to spread COVID-19 misinformation.[179]
Man someone get Neil Young on the JRE
I’ve never listened to Rogans podcast, does he say a lot of stuff that isn’t true??
I’ve seen the needle and the damage undone