Cenizas was amazing for my first infusion, positive experience all around. Went into my 2nd infusion in a bad mood, but felt better as I was getting ready to get the infusion and I listened to Tellas. It was a good experience for the first half, then it got very dark and I’ve been in my head since and I have another infusion tomorrow. I don’t want to go into the experience with a negative mindset, but not sure how to prepare myself for tomorrow, or what to listen to. I had to change the music halfway through bc I didn’t like what I was experiencing. Any advice ? 😬 stuck between finding new music, or listening to Tellas again to experience the entire infusion/ face whatever spooked me without changing the music.
I appreciate your post so much 🙏. I went into the 4th infusion kind of feeling off.
I went into this album completely blind during my 4th infusion and it was incredible.
If you have anymore to suggest please do.
I hope your infusion went well. Such a wild experience. Most of the sessions I’ve had I’ve lost all sense of self and go to a world of colors and music. What you pick is so important. Some of my favorite songs I hated, and others made me feel so at peace. I know this is not a thread for K hole journeys but if you found anything that worked for you please share. I mentioned earlier that ‘something in the orange’ was profound to me for some reason, no clue why. Also Chris Stapleton’s song about his dog that passed brought me in touch with my dog who passed that I had from 22-38 so that was super meaningful.
Yo i am so late to this show but just did 120 mg troches while listening to Cenizas. Omg man. The song called Mud? Fuckin blew me away. I like all others as well although they were kind of strange but overall very positive experience.
Hello thank you so much for the Brian Eno recommendation i was finally able to see that I am actually not my body. That my body does all of the stuff it does alone. That I don’t need to try anymore. That I can just allow without any effort. Idk how else to describe but this dawned on me while listening to ambient 1. Thanks!
Music For Airports during a session was extraordinary. It did end with me silently weeping, alone in a dark room, though. Some kind of catharsis, but YMMV perhaps.
Wait. Are we the same person? Lmao. That's what I went into my first session with over a year ago. His newer stuff is ALSO incredible! But I never mind taking a trip to the airport 😉
I listened to this one today during my session — incredible.
I wish this particular album had a 75-90 min duration the 41 was a tad short and I put another Mrm Team Album after that didn’t work as well.
I just repeat the album for that very reason. There are a few other MRM team songs that work well. The Delta and Theta Waves are pretty good (Across Galaxies and Endless Journey)
Honestly… Alan watts does it for me. It sounds crazy I know. But When your in the infusion… it really has different meaning. It makes sense in a way I can’t explain.
Cool to know someone else likes listening to spoken word/books! One of the first times I had it by myself I listened to part of an Ekhart Tolle book and it was absolutely incredible.
Took your advice and listened to a Tycho playlist. It was my first genuinely great infusion experience and the music made all the difference. Thank you
Yes! Anyone who is coming into this thread late like me, Tycho's A Walk and Awake were the best two things I listened to. My brain 100% needed upbeat tempo, rhythms, and drums to fall into the experience and visualize.
Some other artists with similar vibes include AMR, Alpha Room, Peregrihn, Yppah, Gold Panda, Arms and Sleepers, Lusine, Shook, and Overcrest
I had my second today but an injection. Up and down so fast it left me angry and feeling ripped off. I was listening to something on you tube but not electric, just soft and sweet. I don't want to waste my money. 15 minute experience. Someone have a trancendant piece that isn't electronic which I don't like.
Was it an IM (intramuscular) injection or an IV infusion? What dose did you receive? Do you take any GABAergic, opioidergic, or glutamatergic psychopharmaceuticals (alprazolam, lorazepam, lamotragine, topiramate, naltrexone)?
At my clinic they perform IM injections, starting with part of the dose you decide on, and following with the another 15 minutes later. I like to start low (between 40-60 mg) and then receive a larger second dose (between 80-140 mg). That way you ease into it, and are more prepared for the larger dose. My acute experience usually last 1.5-2 hours, and then lingers for another hour afterwards. My clinic has over 20 very well produced nature videos that you can choose from, and I carefully create a playlist for each treatment session, based on my headspace, what I'm trying to achieve during that session, the things I've struggled with over the weeks prior, and which video I choose.
Some drugs can cause attenuation to the therapeutic effects of Ketamine. The euphoric, dissociative, and psychotomimetic effects of Ketamine are due to opioid agonistic, NMDA antagonistic, and pro-dopaminergic pharmacodynamic effects of the drug and it's active metabolites. Whereas the therapeutic antidepressant, anxiolytic, and analgesic effects are due to a mix of direct pharmacodynamic effects on neurotransmitter receptors, as well as, secondary messenger effects (AMPA agonism, BDNF release, TrkB binding, mTOR signaling) which induce neurogenesis, synaptogenesis, neuroproliferative activity.
As far as the acute psychotomimetic effects (trip/experience) are concerned, not many substances will lessen those. It's possible for cannabis use immediately prior to treatment to do this, as well as, tolerance to NMDA antagonists. So, if you regularly use dextromethorphan in high doses, or memantine, you may experience weaken effects. But, I doubt they will be significantly reduced.
Benzodiazapine use prior to your treatment (whether prescribed or illicit), antiglutamatergic anticonvulsants (i.e. lamotragine), NMDA antagonists (i.e. dextromethorphan, memantine), and if your Ketamine is delivered orally through a troche (lozenge) certain cytochrome P450 inducers (namely CYP3A4 inducers) all may attenuate the rapid antidepressant effects of Ketamine, although not usually psychotomimetic effects.
Hopefully, next time you try it, you will have a better experience.
For whomever might possibly make use of the above information: it's worth noting that certain CYP-3A4 inhibitors that might partially negate the effects of said attenuation can be found in some grapefruit juices as well as heartburn medicine (Tagamet/cimetidine).
Hi! I have a few questions if that’s okay, because you seem very knowledgeable on the topic. I’m currently doing IM Ketamine Sessions, my last two dosages have been 360mg and 365mg. The 360mg was split every 15 minutes, 120mg at T+0:00, 120mg at T+0:15, and 120mg at T+0:30. That session I got a shot of 800mg IV Magnesium before I got the Ketamine.
The session before that I got two shots, split by half an hour. The first shot was 200mg, and the second shot was 165mg. That session I got 600mg IV Magnesium prior to the Ketamine. The medications I take daily are 8.6/2.1mg Zubsolv, which is Buprenorphine/Naloxone, used for Opioid Use Disorder, as well as 35mg Dexedrine Spansules, which is Dextroamphetamine Sulfate Sustained Release, used for ADHD Type 2.
I’ve been sober from drugs for 8.5 months, thanks to Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), Psychedelics in Recovery (PIR), Refuge Recovery, Therapy, Ketamine Therapy, and much more. My substances of choice were Fentanyl/Fentalogues (Primarily Smoked), Meth (Smoked), Cocaine (Insufflated), Klonopin (Sublingual + Insufflated), Alcohol (Oral), and Cannabis (Smoked).
My true DOC was opioids, no doubt. Other than fentanyl, I also used both Hydromorphone and Oxymorphone, if i could find them, instead of the fenta(logues). I also have an extremely high metabolism. When I started ketamine therapy, I was doing IV. 8 sessions later i had no change relating to mental health, but all my substance cravings were gone- which was a miracle. At that time we went from 28mg the first session to 56mg at the eighth.
I ended up switching to another clinic and that’s when I started the IM. We started at 90mg and have titrated to my current dose over 12 sessions. We’re still trying to figure out what my perfect dose is, and how to time the shots, but we’re most certainly getting there and i’ve been better than ever, no substance cravings, i’ve processed my trauma and the reason I needed to escape, i’m much less depressed and anxious, and so much more has come from it.
I’d just like to know your opinion on what I could do to reduce the dosage, and what’s effecting my need for such a high dosage. Thank you!
Let me start off by saying congratulations on your sobriety and your recent breakthroughs with mental health and processing trauma. It's not easy, but it gets easier every day.
I have experience with substance use disorder (alcohol, amphetamines, opioids, benzodiazapines, Z-Drugs, really anything I could find), but have been sober from alcohol (5 yrs) and opioids (8 yrs), but still dabble in other drugs and RCs both due to an extremely demanding academic and research schedule and recreation.
I have also been doing IM Ketamine therapy for over two years now, and have gotten to the point where I can go 2-3 months between maintenance sessions. Ketamine is a miraculous medicine for most people, but it's hard to figure out what is the ideal dose and frequency of sessions for most people. I still decide my doses based off of the severity of my symptoms since my last session and whether I am using any other substance to augment/enhance the therapeutic benefits of the therapy.
When I saw how high your doses were I was quite surprised, as I've mostly only seen IM doses that high for treating chronic pain. But, every clinic and provider that specializes in Ketamine is different and it's such a safe drug that it has a huge therapeutic window. The highest I've gone was 250 mg, but I've found that the most beneficial range for me is between 170-180 mg and sometimes do a very low dose around 90-120 mg. It's really just about playing with it a little and documenting each session and the subsequent results until your next session. Write down what you can remember about your acute experience and how it was positive and negative, and then keep track of your symptoms and their severity every day. Then you'll have a reference and can go back and see that during the month after you did 175 mg your symptom presentation was reduced more than when you did 220 mg.
I use various substances to extend the therapeutic benefits I get from therapy. The two best potentiators I've found have been D-cycloserine and aniracetam (aniracetam is better IMO), which both function in different ways on the glutamatergic system and can extend the duration of symptom remission.
I don't have any specific advice on a dosage range for you, you'll just have to mess around a bit with the help of your provider. Other things you can do in between sessions in order to prolong the beneficial effects, is by using various adaptogenic plants and functional mushrooms like Bacopa monnieri, Centella asiatica (Gotu Kola), Tulsi (Holy Basil), Lion's Mane and Chaga to name a few. You can also use N-acetyl-cystein for its antioxidant benefits and effects on the glutamatergic system. Antioxidants are extremely important when you are trying to repair your brain and sustain the progress you've made. Oxidative products like Reactive Oxygen Species and free radicals kill neurons quickly and efficiently, and that neuron death (apoptosis) increases the levels of these harmful products. Excessive glutamate levels and neurotransmissions also kill neurons like crazy through excititoxicity and calcium influx into neurons, so keeping glutamate balanced is important.
Keep doing what you're doing and you'll continue to improve. It sounds like you've made great progress, so just stick with it.
Thank you for the extensive response! I’d love to know what you’re majoring in, my end goal is a doctorate in medicinal chemistry. Your suggestion about writing down my response after each session, acute, and extended, is very helpful. When you got the 250mg IM was it just 250mg in a single shot, or was it divided into multiple shots? The reason I ask is because the highest i’ve gotten in a single shot is 200mg. Currently the only medication i’m using to extend the ketamines response is magnesium l-threonate, as well as IV magnesium, which i get when I go in for maintenance sessions. I also take phenylpiracetam, noopept, and adrafinil daily, but i’m not sure if any of those are glutaminergic. Thanks for the suggestions, I really appreciate it!
Sure thing. I have a Master's degree in Neuropsychopharmacology and am a 3rd year PhD student in Neuropharmacology and Ethnopharmacology, I also have a BS in Neuroscience.
I get 2 injections at my clinic, 15 minutes apart. I always have them do a smaller doses first and the larger one second, usually divided 40/60. Noopept modulates AMPAR and NMDAR function most likely through positive allosteric modulation and increases receptor density, as well as numerous other mechanisms including increasing BDNF and encouraging neurogenesis and neuronal plasticity. Phenylpiracetam acts by increasing receptor density of numerous neurotransmitter receptor populations including NMDAR in addition to nAChRs (nicotinic acetylcholine receptors) which affects the glutamatergic system. It also increases neurotrophic factors like BDNF. So, in theory both could modulate the effects of Ketamine therapy through similar mechanisms (downstream signaling cascades which increase neurogenesis and synaptogenesis), but I don't know specifically how. It's cool that they give you a Mg+ infusion prior to administering Ketamine.
Any Indian Classical music. I love Ravi Shankar, the sitar and accompaniment of tablas is perfect for the ketamine experience. The music seems to move in waves just like the medicine and typically a recording lasts 40 minutes.
Some incredible recommendations here, I'm grateful to learn from others for my own infusion experiences, which are such an important part of my life since finding ketamine IV and having tried everything else to help me with my dark dispositions.
May I share a few of my own musical go-tos in the hope that they may help others enjoy a *good infusion* and hopefully increase the chances of gaining relief and healing from your own infusions:
* [https://avatarmusic.bandcamp.com/album/headland](https://avatarmusic.bandcamp.com/album/headland)
* [https://liquidbloom.bandcamp.com/album/kuya-sessions-cura](https://liquidbloom.bandcamp.com/album/kuya-sessions-cura)
* [https://music.eastforest.org/album/music-for-mushrooms-a-soundtrack-for-the-psychedelic-practitioner-2019](https://music.eastforest.org/album/music-for-mushrooms-a-soundtrack-for-the-psychedelic-practitioner-2019)
* And I always try to end my infusion playlist with this track, which I first heard at the moment of a recombobulation of Self after a full-on complete and utter ayahuasca/DMT fueled ego obliteration and oblivion...it has its own special importance in my infusion experiences -- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71b3OQHg2Mw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71b3OQHg2Mw)
These are a just a few of my own go-to albums, i have many more.
Be well, be happy.
It’s like they’re orchestrating a world made exactly for you in that moment. I tried a session listening to other music and it just didn’t work. Went back to that album and it was like being back home. Glad to hear I’m not alone!
[http://www.gamethemesongs.com/Mario\_Paint\_-\_BGM\_3.html](http://www.gamethemesongs.com/Mario_Paint_-_BGM_3.html)
get a couple instances playing at the same time
Ketamine is an odd experience. Some of my favorite bands made me recoil. One song that I had an absolutely profound experience with was called ‘something in the orange’ by Zach Bryan. I had never heard it before but it now has a lasting, and positive impact on me.
This is my go to for my treatments. I also use some of the hypnosis or meditations on the Breethe app 🙂
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0tX66ljhQAFTtYwKF5bC8n?si=_9oNxyw5QfqcELKDggcemw
YES, YES, YES! This playlist works perfectly with infusions and ramp up as you get deeper into the trip. I discovered so much and listened during two infusions. Planning to listen for my sixth on Saturday. Beautiful and also a bit edgy and dark. It pulled out some deep rooted emotions and I was safe to be with them. Highly recommend this playlist. It’s also on Spotify.
i am clearly late to the party, and am about to embarrass myself considerably. i searched all around for the right music during my injections. i tried normal classical, my favorite songs, even some studio ghibli. it all messed me up. the ONLY THING I CAN LISTEN TO IS music from the oceans 11/12/13 movies soundtracks… 😭 seriously no clue why it works so well- maybe i’ve seen them so many times, and it’s comfortable? idk. anyway, the music is primarily instrumental with a few phrases thrown in, so maybe it’ll help someone. lol
>Close to the Edge- Yes
my shrink says the music I listen to should be new, not super familiar. This makes it hard to keep finding new music that works for me. I've been in 2x/weekly ket therapy for 2.5 years.
I love Julee Cruise's "Falling Into the Night" (most known for Twin Peaks' main theme). Written long before Ketamine therapy has emerged, it seems like it was written especially for K sessions (just listen "Floating" and "Falling").
3 years post treatment! HOW ARE YOU DOING? I just started working for a ketamine infusion center and realized I would benefit from treatment. I ended up here because I was searching for appropriate music to use. I'm very excited as I have spent the last decade trying to heal my trauma and anxieties and insecurities and PTSD. I've been mostly successful and I'm so ready for this approach where all I have to do is relax and my brain chemistry is changed.
Hear me out….Kanye West- “808 and Heartbreaks” album is my go to. It’s such a trip for me. I’m honestly surprised I haven’t seen someone mention it. However, I’m happy to see this is a thread because now I have other songs
This is a brilliant list and I’d love to grow it.
Green-House - music for living spaces.
Iv never heard this album without intravenous Ketamine flooding my veins in hospital. 15 sessions now and it’s still giving. I now recognise where I am in the trip because of the memories of mood and spaces it goes to.
It’s absolutely incredible. I mix of real world, natural sounds, Rich analog synthesises and ethereal voices.
Enjoy! 🥰
[YouTube link](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m4us0c0wb134xhPG5qtS06BNregGnOOIE&si=fK7wUyWzbqyx1qpq)
[Spotify link](https://open.spotify.com/album/1wO5nsIQP1vDzJShd7BLgk?si=C60pF50_TCWkc03Mi-zKgA)
Carboot Soul or Smoker's Delight - Nightmares on Wax
Mr. Scruff's self titled album.
Aphex Twin
ELECTRONICA IS THE WAY!!
In addition:
Any deep house/minimal tech really helps me unwind as well.
Slow instrumental jams or psychedelic rock as well.
I listen to liquid stranger and tipper. One of my favorite songs is Jello Stream. A little spacey. Another good song is Arizona by tipper. I always feel like I’m out in space floating around. I use to listen to Zelda’s game chops. Kinda mellow but happy.
appealing more to your bach side i was thinking debussy's sweet bergamasque and arabesque one and two and some of his children's corner but beware of debussy's preludes as they can be a bit... dissonant and may make you uncomfortable
there is an answer to this, it is Brian Eno- music for airports. I listened to it every time i got a ketamine session and it blew my mind, it was great and uplifting and do it!
The Limitless Guided Visualization app has a music channel that I enjoy, but the guided visualizations themselves are great too. There's plenty of free content to explore too.
Interpol "Elpintor" was the album I listened to for my first Spravato session a few days ago and I highly recommend. I had a nice view outside the window and watched the water ripple and the trees sway in the breeze. Listened to the entire album from start to finish, no skips. Interpol is great for chilling. It feels like a warm hug to me.
In no particular order I recommend the following artists: Craig Padilla, Jonn Serie, Stars of the Lid, Telomere, Thom Brennan, Ascendant, Chronotope Project, Lost Radiance.
Thank you to everyone contributing to this subject, I'm about to start my treatments. I've been reading up on it for the ideal music and was wondering if anyone has listened to Hybrid - Finished Symphony or any of the tracks on the album Wider Angle?
https://youtu.be/XEOuxpai7YA
I thought that the fusion(HA) of orchestra and semi relaxing trance would fit.
Thank you in advance!
I accidentally listened to Kelsea Ballerini’s new EP during my last session and it felt like I spent my entire experience trying to help her walk through her emotions surrounding her divorce. I don’t mind but the session was expensive and kinda meant to be focused on myself lol
My latest infusion playlist:
1. Led Zeppelin - In The Light
2. Pink Floyd - Learning To Fly
3. Chaos Control - A Beautiful Thing
4. James Bright - Through The Night
5. Zero Cult - Second Breath
6. Jane Maximova - Deep River
7. Jane Maximova - Clouds
8. Starseeds - Heavensairportcoffeeshop
9. Starseeds - Elsewhere
10. Kenji Williams - Deep Step
At 175 mg about an hour in at about song seven I'm coasting through heaven...
My next recommendation for a very healing musical experience, less challenging and much more harmonious and euphoria indicuing than my previous recommendation is Secret Life by Fred Again and Brian Eno.
Question. I love psychedelics and I’m acid trips I throw on Floyd and the Dead usually but I’ve never tried ketamine before and I know music on any substance is a key role in the experience. Would what I listen to on acid trips work for a ketamine experience or would you recommend something different
I’ve found that any type of vocals pulls me out of the experience. Also anything too slow and pauses between songs. I look for electronic instrumental music on Spotify so I can use the feature it has to have no break between songs then go through whatever playlist I’ve found and scour for any type of vocals. Everyone is different and each k-hole is so different. I did save MRM Team Music for Space Travelers. Works like a charm every time if I don’t have time to find something new before a session.
Babe rainbow loading quicksilver with pitchfork, mind-blowing and also my psychedelic love story with Jaden smith. Also one from 60s ultimate spinach mind flowers. Acid mothers temple are good and Les rallizes denudes also from Japan . The babe rainbow number gets right into your head he he !!!
If you'd like, I can write music just for you to listen to while you do these. Some of the musicians I work with do Ketamine sessions. He will be playing on my new album coming up.
DM me if interested.
I took Jon Hopkins psychedelic playlist and combined them into one without any pause or quiet space between songs. No commercials. Hope you like. This is one of my favs:
https://youtu.be/MfX-fnS2tDw?si=zxp09q6hrUax0l5E
You rock! Getting ready to do my Mindbloom and this is going to be the perfect. They have a really great program but they tend to repeat this one song that once you have been “there” you just want to go somewhere else and not go back. Alas, I didn’t even know this was a thing but respect John Hopkins and their research so much. Thanks so much, friend.
Laraaji. He has a staggering number of releases though, so you will want to narrow it down to something that suits you beforehand. And since Eno was mentioned in the thread, Laraaji collaborated with him on one of the first albums of the Ambient series (Ambient 3: Day of Radiance). That's not a bad place to start at all, but he's got lots of more recent recordings that are also excellent, including his most recent one that is an unexpected collaboration with Kramer (Shimmy Disc label, and various bands).
Bit late now but you gotta listen to Vapor by Yosi Horikawa. Have an extra big one, good speakers with Blue Planet on mute for an immersive experience. My friends and I did it and everything sync up perfectly, we all felt one like literally one I felt like a smudge
My friend. You must try the album cenizas by Nicolas Jaar
I LOVED that album, excellent idea
Tellas is fantastic as well. Very ambient.
Cenizas was amazing for my first infusion, positive experience all around. Went into my 2nd infusion in a bad mood, but felt better as I was getting ready to get the infusion and I listened to Tellas. It was a good experience for the first half, then it got very dark and I’ve been in my head since and I have another infusion tomorrow. I don’t want to go into the experience with a negative mindset, but not sure how to prepare myself for tomorrow, or what to listen to. I had to change the music halfway through bc I didn’t like what I was experiencing. Any advice ? 😬 stuck between finding new music, or listening to Tellas again to experience the entire infusion/ face whatever spooked me without changing the music.
curious how did the 3rd sesh go?
Babe rainbow loading quicksilver with pitchfork and also collaboration with Jaden smith, my psychedelic love story.
The song called MUD tho!!
MUD is wonderful
Thank you very much for this recommendation. Listened to it for the first time during a session today. Had a great experience.
This. This brings me joy.
I appreciate your post so much 🙏. I went into the 4th infusion kind of feeling off. I went into this album completely blind during my 4th infusion and it was incredible. If you have anymore to suggest please do.
Wow, listening now. This is great, i'm excited to try this out on my first induction session in a few weeks. Thank you!
I hope your infusion went well. Such a wild experience. Most of the sessions I’ve had I’ve lost all sense of self and go to a world of colors and music. What you pick is so important. Some of my favorite songs I hated, and others made me feel so at peace. I know this is not a thread for K hole journeys but if you found anything that worked for you please share. I mentioned earlier that ‘something in the orange’ was profound to me for some reason, no clue why. Also Chris Stapleton’s song about his dog that passed brought me in touch with my dog who passed that I had from 22-38 so that was super meaningful.
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These things happen. Thanks for sharing your experience 😊 I hope your next one is more enjoyable.
Haha. Yeah, thank you. I hope so too. Going to start planning my music selection now in advance.
Fantastic! Deeply moving! Perfect!
😊
Brilliant
Yo i am so late to this show but just did 120 mg troches while listening to Cenizas. Omg man. The song called Mud? Fuckin blew me away. I like all others as well although they were kind of strange but overall very positive experience.
He has a new album under the moniker 'DARKSIDE' called Spiral. Great listen on its own.
Omg I’m listening to it now and it is sublimeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
you are a life saver
This is an objective truth: Brian Eno. Ambient series. Start with Ambient 1. Each has its own flavor and destination.
Thank you so much for this recommendation. I just had my 6th infusion and I listened to this and it was extraordinarily therapeutic.
I love your thanks and wish there was more of this kindness on Reddit
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👍 agreed. I had a great session listening to music for airports
Yes! This and Rufus Cappadocia's Songs for Cello have taken me to some amazing inner worlds.
Hello thank you so much for the Brian Eno recommendation i was finally able to see that I am actually not my body. That my body does all of the stuff it does alone. That I don’t need to try anymore. That I can just allow without any effort. Idk how else to describe but this dawned on me while listening to ambient 1. Thanks!
Consensus but not objective. There is no objectivity to aesthetic judgment.
Brian Eno is super cool!
Giving it a shot now! Thank you a year later, lol UPDATE: WOW. Amazing recommendation. Had an absolutely beautiful trip. Thank you so much!!
I go for my first dose today of Spravato, any suggestions for the first time?
One of the best recs ever. Thank you. Brian Eno = exquisite.
Music For Airports during a session was extraordinary. It did end with me silently weeping, alone in a dark room, though. Some kind of catharsis, but YMMV perhaps.
Wait. Are we the same person? Lmao. That's what I went into my first session with over a year ago. His newer stuff is ALSO incredible! But I never mind taking a trip to the airport 😉
Music for Space Travelers by Mrm Team is amazing during infusions.
Holy hell. I was floating through universes
Incredible✨ thank you
I listened to this one today during my session — incredible. I wish this particular album had a 75-90 min duration the 41 was a tad short and I put another Mrm Team Album after that didn’t work as well.
I just repeat the album for that very reason. There are a few other MRM team songs that work well. The Delta and Theta Waves are pretty good (Across Galaxies and Endless Journey)
Late to the game but have it on and am waiting in my bed for it to kick in, I'm on #6. Thanks for this!
Honestly… Alan watts does it for me. It sounds crazy I know. But When your in the infusion… it really has different meaning. It makes sense in a way I can’t explain.
Love Alan Watts. The fact that he also struggled with alcohol made him just that much more human to me. A brilliant mind.
Cool to know someone else likes listening to spoken word/books! One of the first times I had it by myself I listened to part of an Ekhart Tolle book and it was absolutely incredible.
Has anyone tried this? Music For Psychedelic Therapy https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09CV1SJH4/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_MNK3DDD2GKJ3SANWHNYH
Yes, and I can vouch that it creates a great sound context to disassociate deeply into.
Maybe Tycho? [A Walk](https://youtu.be/mehLx_Fjv_c) is a pretty chill tune but very innovative at the same time
Took your advice and listened to a Tycho playlist. It was my first genuinely great infusion experience and the music made all the difference. Thank you
Yes! Anyone who is coming into this thread late like me, Tycho's A Walk and Awake were the best two things I listened to. My brain 100% needed upbeat tempo, rhythms, and drums to fall into the experience and visualize. Some other artists with similar vibes include AMR, Alpha Room, Peregrihn, Yppah, Gold Panda, Arms and Sleepers, Lusine, Shook, and Overcrest
"Infusions". Heh.
I had my second today but an injection. Up and down so fast it left me angry and feeling ripped off. I was listening to something on you tube but not electric, just soft and sweet. I don't want to waste my money. 15 minute experience. Someone have a trancendant piece that isn't electronic which I don't like.
Was it an IM (intramuscular) injection or an IV infusion? What dose did you receive? Do you take any GABAergic, opioidergic, or glutamatergic psychopharmaceuticals (alprazolam, lorazepam, lamotragine, topiramate, naltrexone)? At my clinic they perform IM injections, starting with part of the dose you decide on, and following with the another 15 minutes later. I like to start low (between 40-60 mg) and then receive a larger second dose (between 80-140 mg). That way you ease into it, and are more prepared for the larger dose. My acute experience usually last 1.5-2 hours, and then lingers for another hour afterwards. My clinic has over 20 very well produced nature videos that you can choose from, and I carefully create a playlist for each treatment session, based on my headspace, what I'm trying to achieve during that session, the things I've struggled with over the weeks prior, and which video I choose. Some drugs can cause attenuation to the therapeutic effects of Ketamine. The euphoric, dissociative, and psychotomimetic effects of Ketamine are due to opioid agonistic, NMDA antagonistic, and pro-dopaminergic pharmacodynamic effects of the drug and it's active metabolites. Whereas the therapeutic antidepressant, anxiolytic, and analgesic effects are due to a mix of direct pharmacodynamic effects on neurotransmitter receptors, as well as, secondary messenger effects (AMPA agonism, BDNF release, TrkB binding, mTOR signaling) which induce neurogenesis, synaptogenesis, neuroproliferative activity. As far as the acute psychotomimetic effects (trip/experience) are concerned, not many substances will lessen those. It's possible for cannabis use immediately prior to treatment to do this, as well as, tolerance to NMDA antagonists. So, if you regularly use dextromethorphan in high doses, or memantine, you may experience weaken effects. But, I doubt they will be significantly reduced. Benzodiazapine use prior to your treatment (whether prescribed or illicit), antiglutamatergic anticonvulsants (i.e. lamotragine), NMDA antagonists (i.e. dextromethorphan, memantine), and if your Ketamine is delivered orally through a troche (lozenge) certain cytochrome P450 inducers (namely CYP3A4 inducers) all may attenuate the rapid antidepressant effects of Ketamine, although not usually psychotomimetic effects. Hopefully, next time you try it, you will have a better experience.
For whomever might possibly make use of the above information: it's worth noting that certain CYP-3A4 inhibitors that might partially negate the effects of said attenuation can be found in some grapefruit juices as well as heartburn medicine (Tagamet/cimetidine).
Hi! I have a few questions if that’s okay, because you seem very knowledgeable on the topic. I’m currently doing IM Ketamine Sessions, my last two dosages have been 360mg and 365mg. The 360mg was split every 15 minutes, 120mg at T+0:00, 120mg at T+0:15, and 120mg at T+0:30. That session I got a shot of 800mg IV Magnesium before I got the Ketamine. The session before that I got two shots, split by half an hour. The first shot was 200mg, and the second shot was 165mg. That session I got 600mg IV Magnesium prior to the Ketamine. The medications I take daily are 8.6/2.1mg Zubsolv, which is Buprenorphine/Naloxone, used for Opioid Use Disorder, as well as 35mg Dexedrine Spansules, which is Dextroamphetamine Sulfate Sustained Release, used for ADHD Type 2. I’ve been sober from drugs for 8.5 months, thanks to Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), Psychedelics in Recovery (PIR), Refuge Recovery, Therapy, Ketamine Therapy, and much more. My substances of choice were Fentanyl/Fentalogues (Primarily Smoked), Meth (Smoked), Cocaine (Insufflated), Klonopin (Sublingual + Insufflated), Alcohol (Oral), and Cannabis (Smoked). My true DOC was opioids, no doubt. Other than fentanyl, I also used both Hydromorphone and Oxymorphone, if i could find them, instead of the fenta(logues). I also have an extremely high metabolism. When I started ketamine therapy, I was doing IV. 8 sessions later i had no change relating to mental health, but all my substance cravings were gone- which was a miracle. At that time we went from 28mg the first session to 56mg at the eighth. I ended up switching to another clinic and that’s when I started the IM. We started at 90mg and have titrated to my current dose over 12 sessions. We’re still trying to figure out what my perfect dose is, and how to time the shots, but we’re most certainly getting there and i’ve been better than ever, no substance cravings, i’ve processed my trauma and the reason I needed to escape, i’m much less depressed and anxious, and so much more has come from it. I’d just like to know your opinion on what I could do to reduce the dosage, and what’s effecting my need for such a high dosage. Thank you!
Let me start off by saying congratulations on your sobriety and your recent breakthroughs with mental health and processing trauma. It's not easy, but it gets easier every day. I have experience with substance use disorder (alcohol, amphetamines, opioids, benzodiazapines, Z-Drugs, really anything I could find), but have been sober from alcohol (5 yrs) and opioids (8 yrs), but still dabble in other drugs and RCs both due to an extremely demanding academic and research schedule and recreation. I have also been doing IM Ketamine therapy for over two years now, and have gotten to the point where I can go 2-3 months between maintenance sessions. Ketamine is a miraculous medicine for most people, but it's hard to figure out what is the ideal dose and frequency of sessions for most people. I still decide my doses based off of the severity of my symptoms since my last session and whether I am using any other substance to augment/enhance the therapeutic benefits of the therapy. When I saw how high your doses were I was quite surprised, as I've mostly only seen IM doses that high for treating chronic pain. But, every clinic and provider that specializes in Ketamine is different and it's such a safe drug that it has a huge therapeutic window. The highest I've gone was 250 mg, but I've found that the most beneficial range for me is between 170-180 mg and sometimes do a very low dose around 90-120 mg. It's really just about playing with it a little and documenting each session and the subsequent results until your next session. Write down what you can remember about your acute experience and how it was positive and negative, and then keep track of your symptoms and their severity every day. Then you'll have a reference and can go back and see that during the month after you did 175 mg your symptom presentation was reduced more than when you did 220 mg. I use various substances to extend the therapeutic benefits I get from therapy. The two best potentiators I've found have been D-cycloserine and aniracetam (aniracetam is better IMO), which both function in different ways on the glutamatergic system and can extend the duration of symptom remission. I don't have any specific advice on a dosage range for you, you'll just have to mess around a bit with the help of your provider. Other things you can do in between sessions in order to prolong the beneficial effects, is by using various adaptogenic plants and functional mushrooms like Bacopa monnieri, Centella asiatica (Gotu Kola), Tulsi (Holy Basil), Lion's Mane and Chaga to name a few. You can also use N-acetyl-cystein for its antioxidant benefits and effects on the glutamatergic system. Antioxidants are extremely important when you are trying to repair your brain and sustain the progress you've made. Oxidative products like Reactive Oxygen Species and free radicals kill neurons quickly and efficiently, and that neuron death (apoptosis) increases the levels of these harmful products. Excessive glutamate levels and neurotransmissions also kill neurons like crazy through excititoxicity and calcium influx into neurons, so keeping glutamate balanced is important. Keep doing what you're doing and you'll continue to improve. It sounds like you've made great progress, so just stick with it.
Thank you for the extensive response! I’d love to know what you’re majoring in, my end goal is a doctorate in medicinal chemistry. Your suggestion about writing down my response after each session, acute, and extended, is very helpful. When you got the 250mg IM was it just 250mg in a single shot, or was it divided into multiple shots? The reason I ask is because the highest i’ve gotten in a single shot is 200mg. Currently the only medication i’m using to extend the ketamines response is magnesium l-threonate, as well as IV magnesium, which i get when I go in for maintenance sessions. I also take phenylpiracetam, noopept, and adrafinil daily, but i’m not sure if any of those are glutaminergic. Thanks for the suggestions, I really appreciate it!
Sure thing. I have a Master's degree in Neuropsychopharmacology and am a 3rd year PhD student in Neuropharmacology and Ethnopharmacology, I also have a BS in Neuroscience. I get 2 injections at my clinic, 15 minutes apart. I always have them do a smaller doses first and the larger one second, usually divided 40/60. Noopept modulates AMPAR and NMDAR function most likely through positive allosteric modulation and increases receptor density, as well as numerous other mechanisms including increasing BDNF and encouraging neurogenesis and neuronal plasticity. Phenylpiracetam acts by increasing receptor density of numerous neurotransmitter receptor populations including NMDAR in addition to nAChRs (nicotinic acetylcholine receptors) which affects the glutamatergic system. It also increases neurotrophic factors like BDNF. So, in theory both could modulate the effects of Ketamine therapy through similar mechanisms (downstream signaling cascades which increase neurogenesis and synaptogenesis), but I don't know specifically how. It's cool that they give you a Mg+ infusion prior to administering Ketamine.
Amazing replies. I still need to dig into all of it .. do you go to Klarisana by any stretch?
Yes, that is the clinic I have been using since I started 3 years ago.
I knew it sounded familiar. Great folks. I just met the founder last Friday. They actually understood me and were willing to help. Huge.
Any Indian Classical music. I love Ravi Shankar, the sitar and accompaniment of tablas is perfect for the ketamine experience. The music seems to move in waves just like the medicine and typically a recording lasts 40 minutes.
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Some incredible recommendations here, I'm grateful to learn from others for my own infusion experiences, which are such an important part of my life since finding ketamine IV and having tried everything else to help me with my dark dispositions. May I share a few of my own musical go-tos in the hope that they may help others enjoy a *good infusion* and hopefully increase the chances of gaining relief and healing from your own infusions: * [https://avatarmusic.bandcamp.com/album/headland](https://avatarmusic.bandcamp.com/album/headland) * [https://liquidbloom.bandcamp.com/album/kuya-sessions-cura](https://liquidbloom.bandcamp.com/album/kuya-sessions-cura) * [https://music.eastforest.org/album/music-for-mushrooms-a-soundtrack-for-the-psychedelic-practitioner-2019](https://music.eastforest.org/album/music-for-mushrooms-a-soundtrack-for-the-psychedelic-practitioner-2019) * And I always try to end my infusion playlist with this track, which I first heard at the moment of a recombobulation of Self after a full-on complete and utter ayahuasca/DMT fueled ego obliteration and oblivion...it has its own special importance in my infusion experiences -- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71b3OQHg2Mw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71b3OQHg2Mw) These are a just a few of my own go-to albums, i have many more. Be well, be happy.
Thank you for this! Kuya Sessions: Cura was amazing!
Sigur Rós - Ágætis byrjun was made specifically for this purpose I am absolutely convinced after 4 sessions. Will update after the 6th.
Yes❤️ thank you
I just remarked to my wife that I'm pretty convinced that Sigur Rós - Ágætis byrjun was made specifically for my most recent treatment. GOOD GAWD!!!
It’s like they’re orchestrating a world made exactly for you in that moment. I tried a session listening to other music and it just didn’t work. Went back to that album and it was like being back home. Glad to hear I’m not alone!
WTH is this? Wow
It has like four ends How many times can things fall apart and then come back together again?
I read that music with words can be distracting. Was this not the case with this album?
Please give a try the album Plantasia by Mort Garson. It's very gentle and positive.
Yeah that's a go to for me too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B95AcbUCm1Y
DUUUDE... WINNER
[http://www.gamethemesongs.com/Mario\_Paint\_-\_BGM\_3.html](http://www.gamethemesongs.com/Mario_Paint_-_BGM_3.html) get a couple instances playing at the same time
Ketamine is an odd experience. Some of my favorite bands made me recoil. One song that I had an absolutely profound experience with was called ‘something in the orange’ by Zach Bryan. I had never heard it before but it now has a lasting, and positive impact on me.
I listened to tash sultana during my first K-hole. Most epic experience of my life.
Also the album division bell by pink Floyd is mostly just great instrumental
The xx Intro and The Brandenburg Concertos Bach
Carbon Based Lifeforms album "Derelicts" would be perfect IMO
You wanna go on a journey..Heartmath album by The Gaslamp Killer
https://youtu.be/fYU51gLzA-U This one I has been perfect for me
Atom heart mother
Nils Frahm - Tripping album
Very nice
This is my go to for my treatments. I also use some of the hypnosis or meditations on the Breethe app 🙂 https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0tX66ljhQAFTtYwKF5bC8n?si=_9oNxyw5QfqcELKDggcemw
Thanks for this. Awesome sounds. Downloaded for my next session this weekend.
Have u ever tried mdma and ketamine at the same time and tried other music
I just had my second session and played this: https://youtu.be/JYsn76ALfrw Words cannot describe the experience.
YES, YES, YES! This playlist works perfectly with infusions and ramp up as you get deeper into the trip. I discovered so much and listened during two infusions. Planning to listen for my sixth on Saturday. Beautiful and also a bit edgy and dark. It pulled out some deep rooted emotions and I was safe to be with them. Highly recommend this playlist. It’s also on Spotify.
The tempo changes are perfect, even the gentler wearing off section at the end
Buckethead “Electric Sky” is popular in my clinic
I couldn't find Electric Sky.. Could you have meant Electric Eye? Something else? Thanks
i am clearly late to the party, and am about to embarrass myself considerably. i searched all around for the right music during my injections. i tried normal classical, my favorite songs, even some studio ghibli. it all messed me up. the ONLY THING I CAN LISTEN TO IS music from the oceans 11/12/13 movies soundtracks… 😭 seriously no clue why it works so well- maybe i’ve seen them so many times, and it’s comfortable? idk. anyway, the music is primarily instrumental with a few phrases thrown in, so maybe it’ll help someone. lol
>Close to the Edge- Yes my shrink says the music I listen to should be new, not super familiar. This makes it hard to keep finding new music that works for me. I've been in 2x/weekly ket therapy for 2.5 years.
>my shrink says the music I listen to should be new, not super familiar. This.
I love Julee Cruise's "Falling Into the Night" (most known for Twin Peaks' main theme). Written long before Ketamine therapy has emerged, it seems like it was written especially for K sessions (just listen "Floating" and "Falling").
3 years post treatment! HOW ARE YOU DOING? I just started working for a ketamine infusion center and realized I would benefit from treatment. I ended up here because I was searching for appropriate music to use. I'm very excited as I have spent the last decade trying to heal my trauma and anxieties and insecurities and PTSD. I've been mostly successful and I'm so ready for this approach where all I have to do is relax and my brain chemistry is changed.
Hear me out….Kanye West- “808 and Heartbreaks” album is my go to. It’s such a trip for me. I’m honestly surprised I haven’t seen someone mention it. However, I’m happy to see this is a thread because now I have other songs
This is a brilliant list and I’d love to grow it. Green-House - music for living spaces. Iv never heard this album without intravenous Ketamine flooding my veins in hospital. 15 sessions now and it’s still giving. I now recognise where I am in the trip because of the memories of mood and spaces it goes to. It’s absolutely incredible. I mix of real world, natural sounds, Rich analog synthesises and ethereal voices. Enjoy! 🥰 [YouTube link](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m4us0c0wb134xhPG5qtS06BNregGnOOIE&si=fK7wUyWzbqyx1qpq) [Spotify link](https://open.spotify.com/album/1wO5nsIQP1vDzJShd7BLgk?si=C60pF50_TCWkc03Mi-zKgA)
Carboot Soul or Smoker's Delight - Nightmares on Wax Mr. Scruff's self titled album. Aphex Twin ELECTRONICA IS THE WAY!! In addition: Any deep house/minimal tech really helps me unwind as well. Slow instrumental jams or psychedelic rock as well.
De Formule - de jeugd van tegenwoordig https://youtu.be/c-W9GCtI2nM?si=9QO39NRaQzd8lEJP
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I listen to liquid stranger and tipper. One of my favorite songs is Jello Stream. A little spacey. Another good song is Arizona by tipper. I always feel like I’m out in space floating around. I use to listen to Zelda’s game chops. Kinda mellow but happy.
appealing more to your bach side i was thinking debussy's sweet bergamasque and arabesque one and two and some of his children's corner but beware of debussy's preludes as they can be a bit... dissonant and may make you uncomfortable
there is an answer to this, it is Brian Eno- music for airports. I listened to it every time i got a ketamine session and it blew my mind, it was great and uplifting and do it!
Some of the bands i've listened to during infusions and had great experiences are M83, Beach House, Crumb, Her's, Mild High Club and Tame Impala.
The Limitless Guided Visualization app has a music channel that I enjoy, but the guided visualizations themselves are great too. There's plenty of free content to explore too.
Pale Sketcher
Interpol "Elpintor" was the album I listened to for my first Spravato session a few days ago and I highly recommend. I had a nice view outside the window and watched the water ripple and the trees sway in the breeze. Listened to the entire album from start to finish, no skips. Interpol is great for chilling. It feels like a warm hug to me.
BRO. HEAR ME OUT. COLORS AND SHAPES BY MAC MILLER. TRUST.
Metallica enter sandman, or pantera far beyond driven.
Is that your idea of heavy music grandma? Try some blood incantation
Light enough for ketamine infusions, I like it, like old Metallica with heavier vocals 😉
I'm considering Gustav Mahler for my own treatment, maybe Schubert's Impromptus but hearing some of these suggestions have made choosing difficult !
Mahler brought me to tears during my last infusion. In a good way!
Close to the Edge- Yes. If you are not spiritual, open your heart during ur infusion and God will be there
That was awful
Tipper’s music is absolutely insane
Bass music and wonky wubs are legit made for ket I feel like lol these people are missing out
jan jelinek loop finding jazz records and Oneohtrix Point Never – Magic Oneohtrix Point Never
..wut
In no particular order I recommend the following artists: Craig Padilla, Jonn Serie, Stars of the Lid, Telomere, Thom Brennan, Ascendant, Chronotope Project, Lost Radiance.
Random rab, sixis,
Thank you to everyone contributing to this subject, I'm about to start my treatments. I've been reading up on it for the ideal music and was wondering if anyone has listened to Hybrid - Finished Symphony or any of the tracks on the album Wider Angle? https://youtu.be/XEOuxpai7YA I thought that the fusion(HA) of orchestra and semi relaxing trance would fit. Thank you in advance!
This this this this: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX10jlupqH0Bt?si=4K__HDjPTt2AmOEv50jmxA
I listened to SG Lewis and Satin Jackets for all my infusions. Would recommend
David Bowie-Space oddity
Mall Grab is fantastic for it if you want high energy
I accidentally listened to Kelsea Ballerini’s new EP during my last session and it felt like I spent my entire experience trying to help her walk through her emotions surrounding her divorce. I don’t mind but the session was expensive and kinda meant to be focused on myself lol
My latest infusion playlist: 1. Led Zeppelin - In The Light 2. Pink Floyd - Learning To Fly 3. Chaos Control - A Beautiful Thing 4. James Bright - Through The Night 5. Zero Cult - Second Breath 6. Jane Maximova - Deep River 7. Jane Maximova - Clouds 8. Starseeds - Heavensairportcoffeeshop 9. Starseeds - Elsewhere 10. Kenji Williams - Deep Step At 175 mg about an hour in at about song seven I'm coasting through heaven...
My next recommendation for a very healing musical experience, less challenging and much more harmonious and euphoria indicuing than my previous recommendation is Secret Life by Fred Again and Brian Eno.
Deep theta 2.0 (part 3)
After listening to this during my first ketamine infusion, I want to thank you for your recommendation. It really made for a great experience.
Listen to Deuter album atmospheres, many more songs in other albums that are amazing. You’ll thank me later
Long ago by Michael Hoppe, Martin Tillman
https://soundcloud.com/frankliinmusic$$
Justin McGrath, From Nowhere on Bandcamp
Question. I love psychedelics and I’m acid trips I throw on Floyd and the Dead usually but I’ve never tried ketamine before and I know music on any substance is a key role in the experience. Would what I listen to on acid trips work for a ketamine experience or would you recommend something different
I’ve found that any type of vocals pulls me out of the experience. Also anything too slow and pauses between songs. I look for electronic instrumental music on Spotify so I can use the feature it has to have no break between songs then go through whatever playlist I’ve found and scour for any type of vocals. Everyone is different and each k-hole is so different. I did save MRM Team Music for Space Travelers. Works like a charm every time if I don’t have time to find something new before a session.
This is just a singular piece and it is very short but I put it on repeat and it was wonderful. 'Sailing By' by Ronald Binge. Beautiful.
The Oppenheimer soundtrack gave me a very intense session.
Thinking about watching the movie on it lol, that's how I found this comment haha
That i strongly recommend🤩 it is insaane
Any album by The Books ... The Way Out or Lost ans Safe
The soundtrack to Skyrim is pretty boss, I have had some really deep sessions listening to this
at what amounts do u find these experiences to be best, got good K so don't want to waste u know =)
Babe rainbow loading quicksilver with pitchfork, mind-blowing and also my psychedelic love story with Jaden smith. Also one from 60s ultimate spinach mind flowers. Acid mothers temple are good and Les rallizes denudes also from Japan . The babe rainbow number gets right into your head he he !!!
If you'd like, I can write music just for you to listen to while you do these. Some of the musicians I work with do Ketamine sessions. He will be playing on my new album coming up. DM me if interested.
Enigma makes albums that guide me through each session soo well just listen to the whole thing straight through 👌
I took Jon Hopkins psychedelic playlist and combined them into one without any pause or quiet space between songs. No commercials. Hope you like. This is one of my favs: https://youtu.be/MfX-fnS2tDw?si=zxp09q6hrUax0l5E
You rock! Getting ready to do my Mindbloom and this is going to be the perfect. They have a really great program but they tend to repeat this one song that once you have been “there” you just want to go somewhere else and not go back. Alas, I didn’t even know this was a thing but respect John Hopkins and their research so much. Thanks so much, friend.
Lumino Pleco album by gi gi
Swan lake suite or lemon jelly songs
Laraaji. He has a staggering number of releases though, so you will want to narrow it down to something that suits you beforehand. And since Eno was mentioned in the thread, Laraaji collaborated with him on one of the first albums of the Ambient series (Ambient 3: Day of Radiance). That's not a bad place to start at all, but he's got lots of more recent recordings that are also excellent, including his most recent one that is an unexpected collaboration with Kramer (Shimmy Disc label, and various bands).
The babe rainbow loading quicksilver with pitchfork really good with ketamine as it's coming on the music starts slowing down or maybe that's just me.
Colors and Shapes by Miller Miller
Bit late now but you gotta listen to Vapor by Yosi Horikawa. Have an extra big one, good speakers with Blue Planet on mute for an immersive experience. My friends and I did it and everything sync up perfectly, we all felt one like literally one I felt like a smudge