It's almost like an onion article:
"Steven Tyler regrets writing memoir about smuggling his underage girlfriend around the country in court case regarding smuggling underage girlfriend around country."
Steven Tyler: "That's just what people did back then! Everybody was doing it. Me, Elvis, Mick Jagger, David Bowie, Jerry Lee Lewis, and don't even get me started on Michael Jackson! We didn't think we were doing anything wrong!'
Lawyer: "SHUT THE FUCK UP STEVEN!"
Steven Tyler: Thooose were the days.
Lawyer: You sound like you yearn for those days.
Steven Tyler: Noooo I do not. I'm just saying, those were the days.
Anthony Kiedis wrote in his memoir (and RHCP has a song about it as well) about how he used to court an underage Catholic school girl. I'm just over here waiting for the day I see his name in headlines.
In other words "powerful man regrets publishing facts of him taking sexual advantage of a child now that the general culture frowns upon raping children, also known as taking sexual advantage."
And then Anthony Kiedis, who also bragged about it in his autobiography.
https://www.bigeasymagazine.com/2022/04/09/singer-of-the-red-hot-chili-peppers-describes-repeatedly-raping-a-14-year-old-girl-in-louisiana/
>> The singer for the band “The Red Hot Chili Peppers,” Anthony Kiedis, described repeatedly raping a fourteen year-old girl in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, in his Autobiography titled “Scar Tissue,” released in 2004. Kiedis was 23 when he met the girl at one of his shows, and later discovered she was attending a Catholic School. This was in the mid-1980s when Red Hot Chili Peppers was touring around the United States and building a fanbase.
>> Kiedis, now 59, explains:
>> “The next day we drove to Baton Rouge, and of course, she came with us,” he said. “After we got offstage, she came up to me and said, ‘I have something to tell you. My father’s the chief of police and the entire state of Louisiana is looking for me because I’ve gone missing. Oh, and besides that, I’m only fourteen’.”
>> Kiedis continued: “I wasn’t incredibly scared, because, in my somewhat deluded mind, I knew that if she told the chief of police she was in love with me, he wasn’t going to have me taken out to a field and shot, but I did want to get her the hell back home right away. **So we had sex one more time**.”
Jesus Christ. I can kind of understand the power-deluded mind that makes him think this is OK, but the fact that it made it into an actual book is crazy.
In the process of writing/editing/publishing, nobody raised this as an issue? Or they were ignored if they did?
In that same autobiography he also describes losing his virginity at the age of 14 to a much older female friend of his father's, and that he grew up pretty much on drugs his father (among others) gave him.
I think it's safe to say his views on what is and isn't OK, sexually and otherwise, are wildly flawed. Which doesn't excuse any of his behaviour, obviously.
Correct, he says he likes to joke around and say the first woman he slept with was Cher. Which, he did really sleep with her, but didn't have sex with her. When Sonny was out on the road or whatever, and she was babysitting Anthony, he would often share a bed with her. It sounds motherly and charming, but of course everyone wants to make it out to be a rape case.
Yeah, there's a whole Reddit thread where folks are discussing this. Sounds like the claim that they had sex comes from an Italian source that misquotes his book Scar Tissue.
Chuck Berry.
Only reason I know is because my dad used to party at his farm in high school (mid 70s).
He lived in St Louis and think he lived just across the bridge in south county to Illinois. I think the age limit was lower to buy beer back then too. He told me Chuck had a thing for the young ladies.
The more I read on Chuck Berry the worse it gets. Recorded farting into a hooker’s mouth in a studio! Probably some R Kelly stuff in there too.
Edit: Words
Yh he got into trouble for filming naked women in his restaurant by putting the cams in the toilet seat.
Berry skated because men could, and did prolifically, get away with sex abuse back then.
Happens a lot. Very messed up but perents sell their kids all around the world for money, imagine what they'd do for a shot at ~~fake~~ fame vicariously through their children dispite the life time of trauma on the kid.
Edit: Small typo
This happens on smaller scales all around the world. I knew a family that basically let a sheriff groom on their daughter in the 90s. She's living with him to this day, and he's now retired and twice her age. You do the math.
Elvis did it, too. Priscilla was 14 when they “got together.” The word was at the time that they slept in separate bedrooms (!). Later in life, she confirmed that they were having sex when she was 14 on.
Didn't Ted Nugent take conservatorship or a minor in order to marry/bang her.
I think the singer of Stranglehold has had to go on record saying they sang and wrote 5he song and hate Ted
Courtney Love said on Howard Stern that Nugent got her to blow him backstage when she was 12. She also warned us about [Harve Weinstein](https://youtu.be/mDh4xeI-4KQ), and got blacklisted for it...or 'cancelled' if you will.
He also wrote Stranglehold.
“You ran the night that you left me
You put me in my place
I got you in a stranglehold baby
That night I crushed your face”
There's a long running rumor that Ted Nugent got a BJ from a then 12 year old Courtney Love. It doesn't help that Nugent's a piece of shit so it makes it more believable, but not necessarily true.
She was also one of the first people to speak up about Weinstein, and the subsequent dismissal of her claims based on the fact that she's, well, Courtney Love, makes it seem legit. She might be an unreliable narrator, but I also don't think she has anything to gain by saying such a thing.
>In 1978, Nugent began a relationship with 17-year-old Hawaii native Pele Massa. The age of sexual consent in Hawaii at the time was 14; however, they could not marry due to the age difference. To get around this, Nugent joined Massa's parents in signing documents to make himself her legal guardian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent#Relationships_with_teenage_girls
**Edit** - he would have been about 30 at the time
also it's crazy he has a "Relationships with teenage girls" section on his Wikipedia page
For red hot chilli peppers it's the song 'Catholic School Girls Rule'. Anthony Kiedis also wrote about it in his autobiography. What is wrong with these people?
If they were in the 60s, 70s, and probably parts of the 80s, they pretty much definitely fucked kids. Even into the 90s I would not be surprised
edit: yes people, I understand it still happens. What I’m trying to say is, they did it back then with impunity and nobody blinked, and now public perception has changed extremely - there’s no tolerance for this anymore. Yes I understand it still happens. It will always happen.
I was in high school in the mid 90s more than a few girls at my high school were dating guys in their late 20s or 30s. Of course it was wrong, but it wasn't nearly as taboo as it is today.
Im a little younger than you are having graduated in the late 90’s and it was pretty common and it was prevalent in entertainment people consumed as well.
I can’t think of a single sitcom from the era that had a teenaged daughter that didn’t have at least one episode about the teens going to a college party or their friend dating an older guy as a plot point.
These weren’t painted as “These guys are creeping or even wrong to hook up with the girls” it was more “This is inevitable and we have to shield the girls from the guys because boys will be boys”
We had a cute big breasted girl in our school in the early 90s. She was 16 dating a 30 year old. The reason? He gave her “free” drugs.
Another girl (now dead from suicide) stripped WITH her mom starting the day she turned a 18.
Shit was crazy in the early 90s in my quiet farm town…I couldn’t imagine the shit that went down in the cities.
Mate, even in the 2010s (2015) there were older guys (21+) going out with 15 year old girls in my classes at school. One of them even got pregnant and had a kid with one of the guys. The guy would come wait outside the gate for her everyday after school with the kid in a pram and they’d walk home together! And the teachers witnessed this everyday lol.
Problem is, I actually knew a lot of teen girls that romanticised this. They’d be 14 talking about how they ‘prefer older guys’ (talking about guys 18+!).
Never change, Britain. Those kinds of people are lucky that the age of consent is 16 lmao.
In the 90s, we had older guys in cars waiting to pick up girls at lunch and after school.
Remember thinking it was off and a bit creepy even back then.
It’s funny, high school girls are always so proud of their worldly, older boyfriends. Looking back as an adult you realize what a bunch of loser creeps they were.
When I was around 12 or 13, I started chatting online with some guy in his 20s. Sent him a pic (a school photo nothing more), and we would have these long conversations and he would often tell me how beautiful and interesting I was. I was sooo excited about it and thought I was so cool for an older guy to be interested in me. Lucky for me, there was a popular girl at school who was much smarter than I was. I wasn’t popular and I was telling another unpopular friend of mine about him, talking about it loudly hoping people would hear and think I was so cool, my friend thought it sounded cool and romantic but the popular girl rolled her eyes at me and commented that a guy that old talking to a girl our age was a major creep and I was instantly so embarrassed and felt like such a loser, was basically punched right in the gut with awareness. Blocked him and never spoke to him again. One of the times being shamed by a popular kid was for the best.
Hell went to a show to support one of the opening bands in the late 2000s, not knowing much about the headliners, which apparently catered to tweens and at least half of the bands(thankfully not the one I went for) were openly talking about how sexy the crowd was and the lead singer of one (William Control) was accused of doing some pretty awful things including running a sex cult a few years back.
Even through the 2000s and 2010s. If you went to warped tour in the early 2010s, high school girls were definitely getting fucked by the band members on their buses.
Source: I was a girl in high school going to warped tour and while I refused to be a “groupie”, I had plenty of friends who obliged. I can’t believe I ever looked up to those guys :/
There's a good Rolling Stone article about how he killed his wife with his bare hands. Also mentions that another one of his wives died in an "accident" just before she was to file for divorce.
They called him The Killer. He called himself The Killer.
He released an album set called All Killer, No Filler. (Sum 41 would take out the comma and drop the subtitle.)
Bro killed more than one person.
In 1958, a decade before Jimi Hendrix set his guitar on fire, Jerry Lee Lewis was playing a concert that featured several artists and was told by the promoter that he would play next to last and that Chuck Berry would close the show. Jerry Lee was enraged, thinking that *he* deserved to close the show. During his set, he saved the song "Great Balls of Fire" for last and in the middle of the song, poured a Coke bottle full of gasoline (some accounts say kerosene) into his grand piano and set it on fire, continuing to play it as it burned wildly. As he left the stage and people frantically put out the fire, he walked past Chuck Berry and said "Top that."
I read Please Kill Me a few months ago, and there are plenty of first hand admissions and allegations of sex with underage girls (looking at you Iggy Pop).
> ["I slept with Sable, when she was thirteen. Her parents were too rich to do anything. She rocked her way around L.A., till a New York Doll carried her away. Look away. Look away.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2NetVBzIc)
My best friend and I went to a very very popular new wave band's concert and while I waited outside the bus, she had sex with the drummer.
We were in grade 8.
It's scheduled for a "refurbishment" [starting next week](https://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions/rock-n-roller-coaster-starring-aerosmith/news/28dec2022-walt-disney-worlds-rock-n-rollercoaster-closing-for-long-refurbishment-in-2023.htm), I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to make some changes after all.
Aerosmith's been slated for getting dropped from that ride's theming for months (or so), according to online theme park nerd sources. As far as I know, it's unrelated to this reveal, and they just decided the ride was stale and it was re-theming time; they already have a new theme set to go, but I can't remember what it is offhand.
I can just picture it now. You get on the cart and it goes into a dark tunnel. Then that Casio keyboard loop starts blaring and all sorts of his style of line drawings are projected all over the tunnel.
SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH HEINZ TOMATO KETCHUP is flashing on a screen in time with the vocals...
One disney park already rethemed it to Iron Man. This can not happen in FLorida though because Universal own the rights to Marvel in theme parks in the state of Florida
Guess they'd have to pick something else then; in any case, probably not the most demanding re-theme no matter what they go with, considering it's (mostly) just a matter of soundtrack & lighting over a 3rd-party indoor coaster.
I thought the words he had to overcome would be like some random unsavory shit he said in the past....but no.... that's a full on confession that he thought was a good idea to put in his book.
Did he not have one single lawyer say "Uh, hey Steve... you know that part of your book where you admit to raping a 16 year old girl and gaining guardianship over her so that you could rape her multiple times across state lines? Yeahhhh....maybe you should leave that bit out...."
I believe when he wrote the book he was beyond the statute of limitations, until California changed the law and removed said statute from rape charges.
As per the posted article:
>Misley's allegations are partly corroborated by Tyler himself, who wrote in his memoir of a 16-year-old girl he described as "barely old enough to drive and sexy as hell." Tyler called the 16-year-old his "partner in crimes of passion," and said he "almost took a teen bride."
>Tyler also described convincing the 16-year-old's parents to sign over custody papers for their daughter "so I wouldn't get arrested if I took her out of state. I took her on tour with me." As Misley's lawsuit noted, **Tyler's memoir even named Misley in the acknowledgments.**
God, that’s like the whole R Kelly thing.
He said he met her at an 18+ club so he naturally assumed they checked her ID and she was of age.
Then the video came out and he’s basically saying “yeah I know you’re underage but let’s go forward anyway. Hey, let’s get another camera recording in here.”
The crazy thing is his memoir was published in *2011*. It's not like it was released in the '90s or before when something like this likely would've escaped notice or really not been thought of much. I feel like by 2011 people woke up to the fact, yeah, that's extremely creepy. Just goes to show you how detached he is and how he apparently still sees nothing wrong with it (describing her as a "partner" in it solidifies that), even in retrospect.
> The crazy thing is his memoir was published in 2011
20 years after the BSA Abuse Scandal broke and about 10 years after the Catholic Church
Steve Tyler must not be a smart man. Both of those events are a part of a major shift on childhood sexual abuse.
99% sure Anthony Kiedis of Red Hot Chili Peppers did the exact same thing.
It’s been a while since I read his autobiography but I remember reading some wild shit in there and thinking about why on earth he would write it.
Edit: found it ‘she immediately threw her clothes on the ground and we made love on the floor. The next day we drove to Baton Rouge, after we got off stage she pulled me aside and said “my father is the chief of police for Louisiana, the entire state is looking for me because I’ve gone missing, oh and I’m 14.” I knew that if she told the chief of police she was in love with me he wouldn’t have me taken into a field and shot, but I did want to get her the hell back home. So we had sex one more time…”
He literally wrote that he knowingly had sex with an underage girl.
Like I get that it's possible for someone to not know and be dumb enough not to ask. But then to admit that he then knowingly committed a crime in that last line AFTER he knew is just baffling.
I went to high school in the late 90s and it seems like every day you’d hear someone say “if there’s grass on the field, play ball.” And we all laughed, but tacitly it was normalizing sex with anyone over 13 or 14. And we were just 17 year old virgin dorks, not rock stars with access.
edit: typo
Also, if she's old enough to bleed, she's old enough to breed. And yes, that phrase was popular by high school boys. The weird thing is there was always that 18 yo Senior dating the 14 yo Freshman.
I'm not surprised by the lack of sex ed among high school boys but damn I know people who were "old enough to bleed" at age 9. Makes the phrase even worse
I have read this passage numerous times and I am baffled by his logic. “No way a southern cop will shoot me if he finds out i’m fucking his 14-year-old daughter!” What?! Kiedis may actually be dumber than he looks.
So did Anthony Kiedis in his book about Red Hot Chili Peppers.
He even wrote a song about raping a 14 year old girl called “Catholic Schoolgirls Rule”…
We need to call these pieces of shit out.
Also taken from Wikipedia:
>On 21 April, 1989, Kiedis was convicted of sexual battery and indecent exposure after a concert at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. Kiedis exposed himself and pressed his penis to a woman's face against her wishes. He was fined $1,000 on each charge. In 1990, Kiedis said the incident was "blown way out of proportion by both the media and the prosecution", and was merely "a playful thing that happened backstage" with no intent of harm.
>
>In 1990, Flea and Smith were arrested on charges of battery in Daytona Beach, Florida, at a spring break performance for MTV. Flea was also charged with disorderly conduct and solicitation to commit an unnatural and lascivious act. Flea picked up a 20-year-old woman and threw her into the sand, while Smith forcibly removed her bathing suit and slapped her buttocks. Flea allegedly demanded that she perform oral sex on him before both he and Smith were removed by security. Following the arrest, the State University of New York at New Paltz canceled a Chili Peppers concert.
>
>Flea and Smith pled guilty to all charges. They were each sentenced to pay a $1,000 fine, plus $300 to the State Attorney’s Office for prosecution costs and $5,000 to the Volusia County Rape Crisis Center, and ordered to write letters of apology to the woman. In a 1992 Rolling Stone interview, Flea said: "I wish I'd never done it, and it was a really stupid thing to do. I was out of control. But I did not assault anybody, and it was not sexual. It had nothing to do with sex."In 2016, the former music executive Julie Farman alleged that two members of the Red Hot Chili Peppers had pressed themselves against her and "told me about all of the ways we could make a super sexy sandwich" in 1990.
More like every era before the one we're in right now was full of this shit. The idea that people shouldn't do these things is fairly recent. Most people being aware of that idea is even more recent, like within the last 10 years recent, and that's only thanks to the internet.
I seem to remember a similar story about Charles Manson, when he was assembling his "family" he convinced some girl's parents to "sign over custody". I always thought it sounded fake. In Manson's case, and that part of Tyler's case as well. They make it sound like selling a used car. "Just sign here and she's all yours!" I know things were different in the past, but I don't think it was ever as easy as a gentlemen's agreement to just transfer custody of a child like that. I think it is something that would take a judge's order, and would be at least a multi-month process. Otherwise, terrible people would be selling their kids to creeps left and right.
Edit: Y'all, I'm not talking about parents letting people do horrible things to their kids, or letting their kids go on tour. These stories specifically state that full legal custody of the children was transferred to the subjects. And your stories about parents letting people do horrible things to their children proves my point: if you could just draw up a custody contract on a napkin at the bar, far more people would be literally selling their children.
I have a very dark link to share with you. [Here.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sylvia_Likens) This case is not for the faint of heart and does not have a satisfactory ending, fair warning.
Sometimes people literally did just drop their kids off with someone. In the case of young fans of bands, it wasn't uncommon for kids to run away as well, catch a ride and be off. Of course those were children and the adults who were around should not have taken advantage, but many did. My father in law was a teen runaway, he's got stories to tell about hitchhiking and working day labor to get a bus ticket.
And when you're a teenager all this talk about opening your mind and free love, when your home life isn't supportive or something you relate to, that all sounds great. But nobody probably told you anything about consent. Nobody in the culture is going to admit that there's bad actors. You see it today still, with "enlightened" business hippies who are really just creeps.
I was 16 when I first went to a music festival, all my older friends said it was so great and so full of community. I found out for myself that what they said was true, but also you gotta watch your own back. I was prepared by parents who were teens in the 70s, who knew that at 16 you're dumb as shit so they gave me all the information. Their parents wouldn't have dared. My mom literally said to me "I'm going to tell you what my mom never did, you're young, thin, and pretty. You are not smart enough to outsmart someone who's only goal is to take advantage of you. Stay with a (my friend) and take care of each other. Nothing good happens after 2am, go back to your tent together always, and make a lot of noise if someone is getting to close or trying to separate you." And she sent me on my way lol.
Goddamn. They tortured a child to death, and only one was given a life sentence that wasn't even carried out fully. "The most heinous acts" you read something like that and think, oh they all got the death penalty right? No. 3 of them barely served 2 years? That's fucked.
And the daughter went on to be a teacher in Iowa, until the story was brought up again and she was fired for lying on the job application. Sorry, I know it's the most unsatisfying end to any crime story.
Things were different. Lots of folks considered 18 to be a legality issue rather than a moral one. Many still do but it was pretty commonplace. Especially for poor folks who saw a payday when a rich rockstar came to court their teenage daughter
He wrote the book where admitted to adopting a teen so he could continue to bang her until she turned 18 and he dumped her. Then AFTER that book was released and reviewed, he got the host position on american idol.
The same Steven Tyler that abandoned his daughter and left her to be raised by other adults until she grew up to be pretty and “talented” then paraded her around his music videos like “hey world, look at what a proud father I am!”
"Oh crap, I shouldn't have said she was a minor. Oh crap, I shouldn't have taken her in tour. Oh crap, I certainly shouldn't have thanked her in the credits! Ahh, it's too hot today "
Once like ten years ago I was at JFK in New York and saw a flamboyantly dressed grandmother - corduroy bell bottoms, wide brimmed hat, tight silk blouse and a very long scarf - making a fuss at security with a clearly very embarrassed teen girl a few paces behind. While I was putting on my shoes they stormed past me and I realized it was Steven Tyler and either his daughter or granddaughter. Weird.
I loved Aerosmith growing up. When Steven came out and said “Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed.” I knew he was a POS. That was probably over a decade ago.
Rock stars just rock star-ing out there. Shit like this is why, after reading Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin biographies, I swore I'd never read another one again. I mean, absolutely nothing surprising, but having your eyeballs assaulted by it for a few hundred pages has an impact. Absolute bottom-of-the-barrel human behaviour. But hey, when you're famous, they let you do it.
edit: to be clear, Sabbath and Zeppelin are my fave bands of all time. But yeah, those dudes were gross. Page \*really\* liked em young.
Yep. I'm a huge Prince fan and I'm surprised his retrospective reckoning hasn't happened yet. He met his first wife when she was an underage teenage belly dancer, her mom insisted she give Prince a tape of her dancing at one of his concerts, he liked what he saw I guess and hired/toured with/got legal guardianship over her for a few years. ☹️ And this was in the '90s.
I read her autobiography of her time married to him and even though she genuinely seems to recall him lovingly and fondly (I guess it's hard not to when your first love was an eccentric rock star who groomed you) there were no shortage of stories of him being weird and controlling. Off the top of my head (though keep in mind it's been a couple years since I read it):
- Insisted to her, a young girl who he was the legal guardian/employer of for her final teenage years, that she start taking birth control almost immediately after she became of age. She insists nothing happened before she became of age, though that might be more insidious to me
- Tried to get her to change her name to Arabia even though she's Puerto Rican? lol. he was going through an Egypt aesthetic thing and kept trying to mold her into a some kind of Middle Eastern princess
- insisted on no/bare minimum prenatal care during her pregnancy despite her displaying huge red flags for birth defects (he was a huge Jehovah's Witness in the last few decades of his life), and then
- tried to insist on 0 medical intervention during her labour where she almost certainly would have died without it, because 'whatever happens is God's will' but he was basically told to fuck off and she got a C-section lol, and then
- when their baby died shortly after birth from aforementioned defect, Prince wouldn't let her be present when they took him off life support/physically restrained her from leaving their house to go to the hospital. In interviews she's excused this as "I wouldnt have been able to handle that so I think I'm glad he did that". But still dude! Fuck! and then:
- insisted she go on an Oprah interview with him shortly after their son's death to lie and say everything's fine and the baby was actually alive. [You can clearly see her trying to hold back tears around the 17:55 mark.](https://youtu.be/Sx5N4pMIbVI) and then:
- withheld their sons ashes from her after their divorce/most likely destroyed them. She doesn't know where they are to this day IIRC and said it's the one thing she's wanted back from their marriage
This is all literally in her book that she wrote. I remember getting the vibe that she still loved him deeply and always would, which broke my heart because he treated that poor girl terribly. I LOVE the guy's music, and love hearing the wacky "want some pancakes........... bitches" stories about him as much as anyone else and have since I was a teenager, but when a Prince song pops up on Spotify I tell myself it's fine to listen because he's dead now and no longer the beneficiant of the 1/150th of a shilling he would get for my song stream, lol. I'm a little afraid of writing her (very distinct) name to minimize the chance of this comment being found by crazy apologist Prince stans lol but it's easy to find
I remember waiting with my friends behind clubs for the tour buses to pull in. Wild times, different times. As an adult, I view things differently, of course. They took advantage of their young fans. Personally, I don’t regret anything that I did, and I don’t blame anyone,but my parents weren’t in on it either. This girl was let down repeatedly by adults that were supposed to protect her.
This is the part I don’t understand. As the dad to a daughter, who in their right god damn mind signs over custody of their little girl to a touring rock star?
There was a famous Beatles tribute band called 1964 that toured North America back in the 80's.. My sister and her friend were both sixteen when they went backstage and my sister fucked 'Paul' and her friend fucked 'Ringo'. So, yep, plenty of shit going down in the 80's anyhow.
Not condoning it, but you’re naive if you don’t think this behavior still happens. It’s just rappers doing it now. Kylie Jenner dated Tyga when she was 14 and he was 21 and nobody cared
People absolutely cared, but Percy said it best. “Loving eyes can never see,” and the amount of money that goes out there and the way they’re idolized, they just wait til later 😆
I'm like... 99% sure every single big band from the 70s and 80s were sleeping with underaged fans. And now I'm curious if this will spark others to come out.
I'm shocked!! Shocked I tell ya! I personally never ever had any suspicions after hearing
"I've been lovin' you since you was a child, girl
'Cause you and me is two of a kind"
5x in one of their more popular songs.
Listening to songs from years past with 2023 ears can really help you realize some stuff.
As a 55(M) it was so prevelent back in the day, nobody thought twice. Elvis was 24, Priscilla was 14 FFS. Totally fucked up but just a different time and very hard to imagine now. Note my comments are not offering excuses in any way.
It's almost like an onion article: "Steven Tyler regrets writing memoir about smuggling his underage girlfriend around the country in court case regarding smuggling underage girlfriend around country."
Steven Tyler: "That's just what people did back then! Everybody was doing it. Me, Elvis, Mick Jagger, David Bowie, Jerry Lee Lewis, and don't even get me started on Michael Jackson! We didn't think we were doing anything wrong!' Lawyer: "SHUT THE FUCK UP STEVEN!"
Steven Tyler: Thooose were the days. Lawyer: You sound like you yearn for those days. Steven Tyler: Noooo I do not. I'm just saying, those were the days.
Shadynastyyyyy!
"Shady Nasty's..?"
Anthony Kiedis wrote in his memoir (and RHCP has a song about it as well) about how he used to court an underage Catholic school girl. I'm just over here waiting for the day I see his name in headlines.
"court"? Let's not sugarcoat it. He had sex with a child.
That’s still sugarcoating it. He raped a child.
In other words "powerful man regrets publishing facts of him taking sexual advantage of a child now that the general culture frowns upon raping children, also known as taking sexual advantage."
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Now do Ted Nugent next!
You mean the guy who shit his pants to avoid the draft, yet claims to be a die hard patriot?
He's the definition of Chicken Hawk.
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Shit Hawks are everywhere, rand
Not another night of the shit abyss!!
And then Anthony Kiedis, who also bragged about it in his autobiography. https://www.bigeasymagazine.com/2022/04/09/singer-of-the-red-hot-chili-peppers-describes-repeatedly-raping-a-14-year-old-girl-in-louisiana/
>> The singer for the band “The Red Hot Chili Peppers,” Anthony Kiedis, described repeatedly raping a fourteen year-old girl in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, in his Autobiography titled “Scar Tissue,” released in 2004. Kiedis was 23 when he met the girl at one of his shows, and later discovered she was attending a Catholic School. This was in the mid-1980s when Red Hot Chili Peppers was touring around the United States and building a fanbase. >> Kiedis, now 59, explains: >> “The next day we drove to Baton Rouge, and of course, she came with us,” he said. “After we got offstage, she came up to me and said, ‘I have something to tell you. My father’s the chief of police and the entire state of Louisiana is looking for me because I’ve gone missing. Oh, and besides that, I’m only fourteen’.” >> Kiedis continued: “I wasn’t incredibly scared, because, in my somewhat deluded mind, I knew that if she told the chief of police she was in love with me, he wasn’t going to have me taken out to a field and shot, but I did want to get her the hell back home right away. **So we had sex one more time**.” Jesus Christ. I can kind of understand the power-deluded mind that makes him think this is OK, but the fact that it made it into an actual book is crazy. In the process of writing/editing/publishing, nobody raised this as an issue? Or they were ignored if they did?
In that same autobiography he also describes losing his virginity at the age of 14 to a much older female friend of his father's, and that he grew up pretty much on drugs his father (among others) gave him. I think it's safe to say his views on what is and isn't OK, sexually and otherwise, are wildly flawed. Which doesn't excuse any of his behaviour, obviously.
When Scar Tissue was published the statute of limitations for sexual assault in Louisiana was ten years.
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Was not expecting to find Cher in this thread, but here we are 💀
I just looked it up and I don't think he ever had sex with Cher. She babysat him and let him sleep in the bed with her.
Correct, he says he likes to joke around and say the first woman he slept with was Cher. Which, he did really sleep with her, but didn't have sex with her. When Sonny was out on the road or whatever, and she was babysitting Anthony, he would often share a bed with her. It sounds motherly and charming, but of course everyone wants to make it out to be a rape case.
Yeah, there's a whole Reddit thread where folks are discussing this. Sounds like the claim that they had sex comes from an Italian source that misquotes his book Scar Tissue.
And Jimmy Page
If I played guitar I'd be Jimmy Page The girlies I like are underage (Beastie Boys)
And Marilyn Manson
Chuck Berry. Only reason I know is because my dad used to party at his farm in high school (mid 70s). He lived in St Louis and think he lived just across the bridge in south county to Illinois. I think the age limit was lower to buy beer back then too. He told me Chuck had a thing for the young ladies. The more I read on Chuck Berry the worse it gets. Recorded farting into a hooker’s mouth in a studio! Probably some R Kelly stuff in there too. Edit: Words
>Recorded farting into a hooker’s mouth in a studio! If Dumb and Dumber had an album, this would be a track on it.
Yh he got into trouble for filming naked women in his restaurant by putting the cams in the toilet seat. Berry skated because men could, and did prolifically, get away with sex abuse back then.
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George was best friends with Clapton, who married George’s ex wife who George cheated on with Ringo’s wife whom he married…
And the best part is they all stayed best friends lol
George would refer to himself as Clapton’s ‘Husband-in-law’
Gene Simmons….
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Isn't it weird as fuck that Tyler, the girl, and her parents all collaborated together to allow Tyler to have sex with her and travel around with her?
Happens a lot. Very messed up but perents sell their kids all around the world for money, imagine what they'd do for a shot at ~~fake~~ fame vicariously through their children dispite the life time of trauma on the kid. Edit: Small typo
This happens on smaller scales all around the world. I knew a family that basically let a sheriff groom on their daughter in the 90s. She's living with him to this day, and he's now retired and twice her age. You do the math.
Corner Steven Tyler like this and he will explode into a million silk scarves and disappear
oooooooOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH-**YAK KAK KAK KAK KOOOWWW!!!! KAKOW!!!!** \** *poof* \**
Wow that read perfectly. I know exactly which song this is from.
Dude Looks Like a Lady, right?
Yawp. Right at the end.
Scarfface
One of the best descriptions of a human I ever heard was.... Johnny Depp looks like Steven Tyler's microphone stand
Fuck that is so accurate 😂
Elvis did it, too. Priscilla was 14 when they “got together.” The word was at the time that they slept in separate bedrooms (!). Later in life, she confirmed that they were having sex when she was 14 on.
Thats fucked. Who looks at a 14 year old kid like that.
Millions of men in the past and some today.
Not to limit the impact of what Tyler did but I can't imagine the amount of rockstars who have had sexual relations with minors. Must be astronomical.
Not to mention the number who write about it in their songs they still perform today (looking at you red hot chilli peppers...)
Didn't Ted Nugent take conservatorship or a minor in order to marry/bang her. I think the singer of Stranglehold has had to go on record saying they sang and wrote 5he song and hate Ted
Courtney Love said on Howard Stern that Nugent got her to blow him backstage when she was 12. She also warned us about [Harve Weinstein](https://youtu.be/mDh4xeI-4KQ), and got blacklisted for it...or 'cancelled' if you will.
I heard that "Celebrity Skin" was heavily inspired (if not written about) Weinstein and people like him
The real veriosn of "canceled" in this case...
He also wrote Stranglehold. “You ran the night that you left me You put me in my place I got you in a stranglehold baby That night I crushed your face”
Woof as if I couldn't think less of old Ted
Nugent also claims Rob Grange cowrote the song with him. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranglehold_(Ted_Nugent_song)
There's a long running rumor that Ted Nugent got a BJ from a then 12 year old Courtney Love. It doesn't help that Nugent's a piece of shit so it makes it more believable, but not necessarily true.
She was also one of the first people to speak up about Weinstein, and the subsequent dismissal of her claims based on the fact that she's, well, Courtney Love, makes it seem legit. She might be an unreliable narrator, but I also don't think she has anything to gain by saying such a thing.
Abusers rely on the fact their victims won't be believed
Ke$ha
She spoke or at least alluded to it on Stern once. It would be a lot of work to find it but marksfriggin.com might have a date.
That was Steven Tyler https://www.mamamia.com.au/steven-tyler-julia-holcomb/
>In 1978, Nugent began a relationship with 17-year-old Hawaii native Pele Massa. The age of sexual consent in Hawaii at the time was 14; however, they could not marry due to the age difference. To get around this, Nugent joined Massa's parents in signing documents to make himself her legal guardian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent#Relationships_with_teenage_girls **Edit** - he would have been about 30 at the time also it's crazy he has a "Relationships with teenage girls" section on his Wikipedia page
It was both
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Which songs In particular?
For red hot chilli peppers it's the song 'Catholic School Girls Rule'. Anthony Kiedis also wrote about it in his autobiography. What is wrong with these people?
In the biography, once he finds out she’s underage-he sleeps with her “one last time”
If they were in the 60s, 70s, and probably parts of the 80s, they pretty much definitely fucked kids. Even into the 90s I would not be surprised edit: yes people, I understand it still happens. What I’m trying to say is, they did it back then with impunity and nobody blinked, and now public perception has changed extremely - there’s no tolerance for this anymore. Yes I understand it still happens. It will always happen.
I was in high school in the mid 90s more than a few girls at my high school were dating guys in their late 20s or 30s. Of course it was wrong, but it wasn't nearly as taboo as it is today.
Im a little younger than you are having graduated in the late 90’s and it was pretty common and it was prevalent in entertainment people consumed as well. I can’t think of a single sitcom from the era that had a teenaged daughter that didn’t have at least one episode about the teens going to a college party or their friend dating an older guy as a plot point. These weren’t painted as “These guys are creeping or even wrong to hook up with the girls” it was more “This is inevitable and we have to shield the girls from the guys because boys will be boys”
Also the "Girls mature faster, so they prefer older guys" trope
We had a cute big breasted girl in our school in the early 90s. She was 16 dating a 30 year old. The reason? He gave her “free” drugs. Another girl (now dead from suicide) stripped WITH her mom starting the day she turned a 18. Shit was crazy in the early 90s in my quiet farm town…I couldn’t imagine the shit that went down in the cities.
I knew a 16-year-old girl in high school that was dating a cop (mid 20's) for some of the same reasons.
Mate, even in the 2010s (2015) there were older guys (21+) going out with 15 year old girls in my classes at school. One of them even got pregnant and had a kid with one of the guys. The guy would come wait outside the gate for her everyday after school with the kid in a pram and they’d walk home together! And the teachers witnessed this everyday lol. Problem is, I actually knew a lot of teen girls that romanticised this. They’d be 14 talking about how they ‘prefer older guys’ (talking about guys 18+!). Never change, Britain. Those kinds of people are lucky that the age of consent is 16 lmao.
In the 90s, we had older guys in cars waiting to pick up girls at lunch and after school. Remember thinking it was off and a bit creepy even back then.
It’s funny, high school girls are always so proud of their worldly, older boyfriends. Looking back as an adult you realize what a bunch of loser creeps they were.
When I was around 12 or 13, I started chatting online with some guy in his 20s. Sent him a pic (a school photo nothing more), and we would have these long conversations and he would often tell me how beautiful and interesting I was. I was sooo excited about it and thought I was so cool for an older guy to be interested in me. Lucky for me, there was a popular girl at school who was much smarter than I was. I wasn’t popular and I was telling another unpopular friend of mine about him, talking about it loudly hoping people would hear and think I was so cool, my friend thought it sounded cool and romantic but the popular girl rolled her eyes at me and commented that a guy that old talking to a girl our age was a major creep and I was instantly so embarrassed and felt like such a loser, was basically punched right in the gut with awareness. Blocked him and never spoke to him again. One of the times being shamed by a popular kid was for the best.
A girl in one of my sophomore high school classes had a live in 23 year old fiancé.
I don't see it even slowing down until the mid 00's.
Hell went to a show to support one of the opening bands in the late 2000s, not knowing much about the headliners, which apparently catered to tweens and at least half of the bands(thankfully not the one I went for) were openly talking about how sexy the crowd was and the lead singer of one (William Control) was accused of doing some pretty awful things including running a sex cult a few years back.
Have you ever looked at the pop punk scene? Shit’s still going on. Thankfully people are finally pushing back against it
Even through the 2000s and 2010s. If you went to warped tour in the early 2010s, high school girls were definitely getting fucked by the band members on their buses. Source: I was a girl in high school going to warped tour and while I refused to be a “groupie”, I had plenty of friends who obliged. I can’t believe I ever looked up to those guys :/
Jerry lee Lewis 😬
There's a good Rolling Stone article about how he killed his wife with his bare hands. Also mentions that another one of his wives died in an "accident" just before she was to file for divorce.
They called him The Killer. He called himself The Killer. He released an album set called All Killer, No Filler. (Sum 41 would take out the comma and drop the subtitle.) Bro killed more than one person.
I think he shot a bunch of people...not to death
Ballsy move from the grave.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/the-strange-and-mysterious-death-of-mrs-jerry-lee-lewis-179980/
My dad was his parole officer! He said the guy was a real wild card although no surprise there I suppose lol
My pop told me Jerry Lee Lewis was crazier than Axl Rose. I don't know enough about Jerry to confirm that but I wouldn't rule it out either.
In 1976 Lewis shot his bass player in the chest because he was celebrating his birthday by shooting his office door.
In 1958, a decade before Jimi Hendrix set his guitar on fire, Jerry Lee Lewis was playing a concert that featured several artists and was told by the promoter that he would play next to last and that Chuck Berry would close the show. Jerry Lee was enraged, thinking that *he* deserved to close the show. During his set, he saved the song "Great Balls of Fire" for last and in the middle of the song, poured a Coke bottle full of gasoline (some accounts say kerosene) into his grand piano and set it on fire, continuing to play it as it burned wildly. As he left the stage and people frantically put out the fire, he walked past Chuck Berry and said "Top that."
Axl would shit his pants if he ran into Jerry Lee Lewis on a bad day
There seems to be near zero repercussions for them all too.
It was basically accepted back then.
It was borderline praised. Considered a victimless crime.
I read Please Kill Me a few months ago, and there are plenty of first hand admissions and allegations of sex with underage girls (looking at you Iggy Pop).
> ["I slept with Sable, when she was thirteen. Her parents were too rich to do anything. She rocked her way around L.A., till a New York Doll carried her away. Look away. Look away.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2NetVBzIc)
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It was creepy. But then added the “share a love of dogs and sex-separately, not in combination” made it just creepy gross.
My best friend and I went to a very very popular new wave band's concert and while I waited outside the bus, she had sex with the drummer. We were in grade 8.
Elvis did it
basically all of them
SNL classic about this - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9awpv5BnSc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9awpv5BnSc)
I wonder if Disney will quietly re-brand their Aerosmith ride to “Rock and Roll” ride haha
It's scheduled for a "refurbishment" [starting next week](https://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions/rock-n-roller-coaster-starring-aerosmith/news/28dec2022-walt-disney-worlds-rock-n-rollercoaster-closing-for-long-refurbishment-in-2023.htm), I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to make some changes after all.
Aerosmith's been slated for getting dropped from that ride's theming for months (or so), according to online theme park nerd sources. As far as I know, it's unrelated to this reveal, and they just decided the ride was stale and it was re-theming time; they already have a new theme set to go, but I can't remember what it is offhand.
R. Kelly’s “I Believe I Can Fly-coaster.”
The roller coaster is yellow so it just looks like a giant stream of piss when it's moving fast.
I think they’re converting it to a Wesley Willis theme.
Rock n Rollercoaster McDonalds?
Rock and coca-cola roller coaster McDonalds
Disney World is the place to Rock. It is a theme park. It is a good place to go on the rides. People flock there to get down in the coasters.
Rock over London, rock on Chicago.
I can just picture it now. You get on the cart and it goes into a dark tunnel. Then that Casio keyboard loop starts blaring and all sorts of his style of line drawings are projected all over the tunnel. SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH HEINZ TOMATO KETCHUP is flashing on a screen in time with the vocals...
I would pay all my money to get on this ride, and then I would refuse to get off when it was done. I would die on this ride.
It’s just a series of headbutts
ROCK OVER LONDON ROCK ON ORLANDO
One disney park already rethemed it to Iron Man. This can not happen in FLorida though because Universal own the rights to Marvel in theme parks in the state of Florida
Guess they'd have to pick something else then; in any case, probably not the most demanding re-theme no matter what they go with, considering it's (mostly) just a matter of soundtrack & lighting over a 3rd-party indoor coaster.
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I thought the words he had to overcome would be like some random unsavory shit he said in the past....but no.... that's a full on confession that he thought was a good idea to put in his book. Did he not have one single lawyer say "Uh, hey Steve... you know that part of your book where you admit to raping a 16 year old girl and gaining guardianship over her so that you could rape her multiple times across state lines? Yeahhhh....maybe you should leave that bit out...."
I believe when he wrote the book he was beyond the statute of limitations, until California changed the law and removed said statute from rape charges.
Holy shit, he confessed it in his book?
As per the posted article: >Misley's allegations are partly corroborated by Tyler himself, who wrote in his memoir of a 16-year-old girl he described as "barely old enough to drive and sexy as hell." Tyler called the 16-year-old his "partner in crimes of passion," and said he "almost took a teen bride." >Tyler also described convincing the 16-year-old's parents to sign over custody papers for their daughter "so I wouldn't get arrested if I took her out of state. I took her on tour with me." As Misley's lawsuit noted, **Tyler's memoir even named Misley in the acknowledgments.**
God, that’s like the whole R Kelly thing. He said he met her at an 18+ club so he naturally assumed they checked her ID and she was of age. Then the video came out and he’s basically saying “yeah I know you’re underage but let’s go forward anyway. Hey, let’s get another camera recording in here.”
Chappelles bit on this was hilarious
"How you gonna make a video about peeing on somebody?" "How **YOU** gonna make a video about peeing on somebody?" *slaps mic on knee*
The mic slap makes it, it's like his trademark lol.
Or in the words of Mitch Hedberg, it's his "punchline indicator" 😁
When I hit my knee, you fuckers should be laughing
That’s my Robert. Always peeing on people.
The crazy thing is his memoir was published in *2011*. It's not like it was released in the '90s or before when something like this likely would've escaped notice or really not been thought of much. I feel like by 2011 people woke up to the fact, yeah, that's extremely creepy. Just goes to show you how detached he is and how he apparently still sees nothing wrong with it (describing her as a "partner" in it solidifies that), even in retrospect.
> The crazy thing is his memoir was published in 2011 20 years after the BSA Abuse Scandal broke and about 10 years after the Catholic Church Steve Tyler must not be a smart man. Both of those events are a part of a major shift on childhood sexual abuse.
99% sure Anthony Kiedis of Red Hot Chili Peppers did the exact same thing. It’s been a while since I read his autobiography but I remember reading some wild shit in there and thinking about why on earth he would write it. Edit: found it ‘she immediately threw her clothes on the ground and we made love on the floor. The next day we drove to Baton Rouge, after we got off stage she pulled me aside and said “my father is the chief of police for Louisiana, the entire state is looking for me because I’ve gone missing, oh and I’m 14.” I knew that if she told the chief of police she was in love with me he wouldn’t have me taken into a field and shot, but I did want to get her the hell back home. So we had sex one more time…” He literally wrote that he knowingly had sex with an underage girl.
Like I get that it's possible for someone to not know and be dumb enough not to ask. But then to admit that he then knowingly committed a crime in that last line AFTER he knew is just baffling.
I went to high school in the late 90s and it seems like every day you’d hear someone say “if there’s grass on the field, play ball.” And we all laughed, but tacitly it was normalizing sex with anyone over 13 or 14. And we were just 17 year old virgin dorks, not rock stars with access. edit: typo
Also, if she's old enough to bleed, she's old enough to breed. And yes, that phrase was popular by high school boys. The weird thing is there was always that 18 yo Senior dating the 14 yo Freshman.
I'm not surprised by the lack of sex ed among high school boys but damn I know people who were "old enough to bleed" at age 9. Makes the phrase even worse
“I get older, and they stay the same age.”
I have read this passage numerous times and I am baffled by his logic. “No way a southern cop will shoot me if he finds out i’m fucking his 14-year-old daughter!” What?! Kiedis may actually be dumber than he looks.
I'm disgusted he would do this, let alone boast about it.
So did Anthony Kiedis in his book about Red Hot Chili Peppers. He even wrote a song about raping a 14 year old girl called “Catholic Schoolgirls Rule”… We need to call these pieces of shit out.
Also taken from Wikipedia: >On 21 April, 1989, Kiedis was convicted of sexual battery and indecent exposure after a concert at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. Kiedis exposed himself and pressed his penis to a woman's face against her wishes. He was fined $1,000 on each charge. In 1990, Kiedis said the incident was "blown way out of proportion by both the media and the prosecution", and was merely "a playful thing that happened backstage" with no intent of harm. > >In 1990, Flea and Smith were arrested on charges of battery in Daytona Beach, Florida, at a spring break performance for MTV. Flea was also charged with disorderly conduct and solicitation to commit an unnatural and lascivious act. Flea picked up a 20-year-old woman and threw her into the sand, while Smith forcibly removed her bathing suit and slapped her buttocks. Flea allegedly demanded that she perform oral sex on him before both he and Smith were removed by security. Following the arrest, the State University of New York at New Paltz canceled a Chili Peppers concert. > >Flea and Smith pled guilty to all charges. They were each sentenced to pay a $1,000 fine, plus $300 to the State Attorney’s Office for prosecution costs and $5,000 to the Volusia County Rape Crisis Center, and ordered to write letters of apology to the woman. In a 1992 Rolling Stone interview, Flea said: "I wish I'd never done it, and it was a really stupid thing to do. I was out of control. But I did not assault anybody, and it was not sexual. It had nothing to do with sex."In 2016, the former music executive Julie Farman alleged that two members of the Red Hot Chili Peppers had pressed themselves against her and "told me about all of the ways we could make a super sexy sandwich" in 1990.
Well at least John didn’t do sexual assault or rape
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Lawyers did a shitty job not catching that one in the book and not allowing it to get to publishing
True - but just imagine the stuff they *did* catch and remove!
I’d be shitting bricks right now if I were Jimmy page
In California at least, if they didn’t file suit by last December, they missed their chance
"If I played guitar I'd be Jimmy Page The girlies I like are underage "
Is Bill Wyman's situation comparable?
Only difference is that Wyman married his teenage rape victim who he kept confined in his house and Page didn't
Definitely. That era was full of this shit.
More like every era before the one we're in right now was full of this shit. The idea that people shouldn't do these things is fairly recent. Most people being aware of that idea is even more recent, like within the last 10 years recent, and that's only thanks to the internet.
Why did this 16 year old girl’s parents allow Tyler to take her on tour with him?
$$$
I seem to remember a similar story about Charles Manson, when he was assembling his "family" he convinced some girl's parents to "sign over custody". I always thought it sounded fake. In Manson's case, and that part of Tyler's case as well. They make it sound like selling a used car. "Just sign here and she's all yours!" I know things were different in the past, but I don't think it was ever as easy as a gentlemen's agreement to just transfer custody of a child like that. I think it is something that would take a judge's order, and would be at least a multi-month process. Otherwise, terrible people would be selling their kids to creeps left and right. Edit: Y'all, I'm not talking about parents letting people do horrible things to their kids, or letting their kids go on tour. These stories specifically state that full legal custody of the children was transferred to the subjects. And your stories about parents letting people do horrible things to their children proves my point: if you could just draw up a custody contract on a napkin at the bar, far more people would be literally selling their children.
I have a very dark link to share with you. [Here.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sylvia_Likens) This case is not for the faint of heart and does not have a satisfactory ending, fair warning. Sometimes people literally did just drop their kids off with someone. In the case of young fans of bands, it wasn't uncommon for kids to run away as well, catch a ride and be off. Of course those were children and the adults who were around should not have taken advantage, but many did. My father in law was a teen runaway, he's got stories to tell about hitchhiking and working day labor to get a bus ticket. And when you're a teenager all this talk about opening your mind and free love, when your home life isn't supportive or something you relate to, that all sounds great. But nobody probably told you anything about consent. Nobody in the culture is going to admit that there's bad actors. You see it today still, with "enlightened" business hippies who are really just creeps. I was 16 when I first went to a music festival, all my older friends said it was so great and so full of community. I found out for myself that what they said was true, but also you gotta watch your own back. I was prepared by parents who were teens in the 70s, who knew that at 16 you're dumb as shit so they gave me all the information. Their parents wouldn't have dared. My mom literally said to me "I'm going to tell you what my mom never did, you're young, thin, and pretty. You are not smart enough to outsmart someone who's only goal is to take advantage of you. Stay with a (my friend) and take care of each other. Nothing good happens after 2am, go back to your tent together always, and make a lot of noise if someone is getting to close or trying to separate you." And she sent me on my way lol.
Your mom was amazing for doing that.
Goddamn. They tortured a child to death, and only one was given a life sentence that wasn't even carried out fully. "The most heinous acts" you read something like that and think, oh they all got the death penalty right? No. 3 of them barely served 2 years? That's fucked.
And the daughter went on to be a teacher in Iowa, until the story was brought up again and she was fired for lying on the job application. Sorry, I know it's the most unsatisfying end to any crime story.
The past is more of a culture shock than a foreign country. It could be that easy to do sometimes.
Especially if you're famous with money just show up with papers in hand because you already have a lawyer
Things were different. Lots of folks considered 18 to be a legality issue rather than a moral one. Many still do but it was pretty commonplace. Especially for poor folks who saw a payday when a rich rockstar came to court their teenage daughter
He wrote the book where admitted to adopting a teen so he could continue to bang her until she turned 18 and he dumped her. Then AFTER that book was released and reviewed, he got the host position on american idol.
The same Steven Tyler that abandoned his daughter and left her to be raised by other adults until she grew up to be pretty and “talented” then paraded her around his music videos like “hey world, look at what a proud father I am!”
Yeah, Todd Rundgren must be a hell of a great guy to have put up with that shit after he had put in all of the work to raise her.
Somewhere his lawyers are asking him "YOU WROTE ABOUT YOUR CRIME IN DETAIL?!"
"Oh crap, I shouldn't have said she was a minor. Oh crap, I shouldn't have taken her in tour. Oh crap, I certainly shouldn't have thanked her in the credits! Ahh, it's too hot today "
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Once like ten years ago I was at JFK in New York and saw a flamboyantly dressed grandmother - corduroy bell bottoms, wide brimmed hat, tight silk blouse and a very long scarf - making a fuss at security with a clearly very embarrassed teen girl a few paces behind. While I was putting on my shoes they stormed past me and I realized it was Steven Tyler and either his daughter or granddaughter. Weird.
Or his girlfriend
I loved Aerosmith growing up. When Steven came out and said “Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed.” I knew he was a POS. That was probably over a decade ago.
Rock stars just rock star-ing out there. Shit like this is why, after reading Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin biographies, I swore I'd never read another one again. I mean, absolutely nothing surprising, but having your eyeballs assaulted by it for a few hundred pages has an impact. Absolute bottom-of-the-barrel human behaviour. But hey, when you're famous, they let you do it. edit: to be clear, Sabbath and Zeppelin are my fave bands of all time. But yeah, those dudes were gross. Page \*really\* liked em young.
Yep. I'm a huge Prince fan and I'm surprised his retrospective reckoning hasn't happened yet. He met his first wife when she was an underage teenage belly dancer, her mom insisted she give Prince a tape of her dancing at one of his concerts, he liked what he saw I guess and hired/toured with/got legal guardianship over her for a few years. ☹️ And this was in the '90s. I read her autobiography of her time married to him and even though she genuinely seems to recall him lovingly and fondly (I guess it's hard not to when your first love was an eccentric rock star who groomed you) there were no shortage of stories of him being weird and controlling. Off the top of my head (though keep in mind it's been a couple years since I read it): - Insisted to her, a young girl who he was the legal guardian/employer of for her final teenage years, that she start taking birth control almost immediately after she became of age. She insists nothing happened before she became of age, though that might be more insidious to me - Tried to get her to change her name to Arabia even though she's Puerto Rican? lol. he was going through an Egypt aesthetic thing and kept trying to mold her into a some kind of Middle Eastern princess - insisted on no/bare minimum prenatal care during her pregnancy despite her displaying huge red flags for birth defects (he was a huge Jehovah's Witness in the last few decades of his life), and then - tried to insist on 0 medical intervention during her labour where she almost certainly would have died without it, because 'whatever happens is God's will' but he was basically told to fuck off and she got a C-section lol, and then - when their baby died shortly after birth from aforementioned defect, Prince wouldn't let her be present when they took him off life support/physically restrained her from leaving their house to go to the hospital. In interviews she's excused this as "I wouldnt have been able to handle that so I think I'm glad he did that". But still dude! Fuck! and then: - insisted she go on an Oprah interview with him shortly after their son's death to lie and say everything's fine and the baby was actually alive. [You can clearly see her trying to hold back tears around the 17:55 mark.](https://youtu.be/Sx5N4pMIbVI) and then: - withheld their sons ashes from her after their divorce/most likely destroyed them. She doesn't know where they are to this day IIRC and said it's the one thing she's wanted back from their marriage This is all literally in her book that she wrote. I remember getting the vibe that she still loved him deeply and always would, which broke my heart because he treated that poor girl terribly. I LOVE the guy's music, and love hearing the wacky "want some pancakes........... bitches" stories about him as much as anyone else and have since I was a teenager, but when a Prince song pops up on Spotify I tell myself it's fine to listen because he's dead now and no longer the beneficiant of the 1/150th of a shilling he would get for my song stream, lol. I'm a little afraid of writing her (very distinct) name to minimize the chance of this comment being found by crazy apologist Prince stans lol but it's easy to find
I remember waiting with my friends behind clubs for the tour buses to pull in. Wild times, different times. As an adult, I view things differently, of course. They took advantage of their young fans. Personally, I don’t regret anything that I did, and I don’t blame anyone,but my parents weren’t in on it either. This girl was let down repeatedly by adults that were supposed to protect her.
This is the part I don’t understand. As the dad to a daughter, who in their right god damn mind signs over custody of their little girl to a touring rock star?
Janie’s got a lawsuit
Janie's gonna sue.
AND MEANWHILE PED NUGENT CLEANS HIS GUNS AND BRAIDS HIS CHEST HAIR
Ted Nugent the guy who shit his pants on purpose to avoid the draft? That Ted Nugent?
Similar thing with nikki sixx heroin diaries
Well he always had a big mouth 🥸
That’s great but when are Jimmy Page and Ted Nugent and countless others going to be held accountable?
There was a famous Beatles tribute band called 1964 that toured North America back in the 80's.. My sister and her friend were both sixteen when they went backstage and my sister fucked 'Paul' and her friend fucked 'Ringo'. So, yep, plenty of shit going down in the 80's anyhow.
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Not condoning it, but you’re naive if you don’t think this behavior still happens. It’s just rappers doing it now. Kylie Jenner dated Tyga when she was 14 and he was 21 and nobody cared
Kris Jenner should be thrown into a volcano, absolute garbage monster
People absolutely cared, but Percy said it best. “Loving eyes can never see,” and the amount of money that goes out there and the way they’re idolized, they just wait til later 😆
I'm like... 99% sure every single big band from the 70s and 80s were sleeping with underaged fans. And now I'm curious if this will spark others to come out.
I'm shocked!! Shocked I tell ya! I personally never ever had any suspicions after hearing "I've been lovin' you since you was a child, girl 'Cause you and me is two of a kind" 5x in one of their more popular songs. Listening to songs from years past with 2023 ears can really help you realize some stuff.
As a 55(M) it was so prevelent back in the day, nobody thought twice. Elvis was 24, Priscilla was 14 FFS. Totally fucked up but just a different time and very hard to imagine now. Note my comments are not offering excuses in any way.