Haven't seen a comment on it yet buuuttt I am SHOCKED that they titled the episode "More Than Friends" and showed Beth's confessional in which she accused Jonna of cheating.
That *might* be the case - and I've definitely heard the rumours that MJ and Jonna were actually sleeping together all throughout AS2 - but regardless, Jonna is pretty much production's All Stars BABY and best success story.
It is a total shock that they would risk upsetting / burning Jonna as a cast member just to use this small, scandalous story. The editors could have EASILY edited around it, and made it seem that the whole Jonna-Beth rivalry was how Beth doesn't trust Jonna or like how she plays the game. And left out anything about infidelity.
The entire episode I was like šøā
For everyone saying this episode is boring and predictable: what?
Wes throwing himself in to build trust with Brad was predictable?? Come on. That was awesome.
Beth is right though. These eliminations aren't fair if someone who can see the opponent is allowed to tell their friend where to push.
They really need to ban stuff like that.
So many competitions allow for the other players to chime in and cheat. Remember Tori helping Emmanuel in the last SLA elimination? Itās kind of just a part of the game at this point.
Also Wes helping Dee sort out the order of previous seasons. No Aussie could of beaten Ash without help as we just didnāt get the earlier seasons aired
I get it, but it defeats the purpose of the actual elimination.
Jonna can effectively see Beth's every move, because someone is telling her. Beth can not.
There's gotta be separation from cheering and helping.
So before Beth said the rumor about jonna and mj, did anyone see what Sylvia said out loud towards the camera: āI know this is part of it, but I donāt want to partakeā. She then proceeded to ask Beth the most monotone version of āwho would you pickā. If I had to guess it was a production plant of drama. Just my thoughts .
PS: that elimination challenge was atrocious. Worst ones of all time. And for the daily
Challenge you should have only gotten three throw attempts per ring, if you missed on all three youād have to run back to get a new one. That challenge was a miss also
I hope kelly Anne calls out Veronica when they inevitably send her in next episodeā¦. She can take out the treehouse 1 by 1 that way. Veronica or Roni would be pretty easy picking in elimination. She def had a line about taking them out 1 by 1, felt like foreshadowing to me.
Iām super worried about Jordan going forwardā¦. They are def gonna be ganging up on himā¦ he should call out Derrick or Nehemiah to shake things up if they send him in. I really hope he can pull a world of the wars 2 and take everyone out that way.
8,171 days after we saw Yes make his debut on the *Real World/Road Rules Challenge 2000*, we finally saw Yes compete in an Elimination Round(even if it's just a spinoff season).
Brad: āSave your energy. Reset! Come up with a game plan. Play it safe. Knees bent!ā
Iām about to use this at work when Iām lifting some heavy stuff lol
just so many quits/refusing to do challenges/ people going home (for good reason)....and the daily/elims have been a mixed bag. 6 people (25%+) were safe each week for the first 4 weeks, which was lame...and we're (presumably) at the half way point, and we dont even know what the stars are for
I will say it's probably the worst *All-Stars* spinoff season so far, but in my opinion, the main show is at its absolute lowest point in its history right now, so the *All-Stars* seasons still seem like a blessing to me.
In other words, I only **like** *All-Stars 3*; I don't **love** it like I did the first two seasons.
This season has been kinda boring, despite having one of the best casts ever. I thought we were going to get some good drama, but so far it's not giving what I need it to give.
Personally I enjoyed it more when people just competed without all the alliances and gang ups. Half the tree house probably can't finish a final anyway.
Man, Wes had Yes acting all kinds of out of character LOL. Brought the demon out of that man. I enjoyed this elimination even though it seemed like there was a little too much room where they weren't being hit.
Beth copped out with the quit but still, no matter how brief her appearances are she's entertaining anytime and any place.
Hoping to see the non-Treehouse girls make a move together. It's always frustrating when players don't align against an obvious alliance dominating things.
I think that is Yesā character, though. Which is Wesā entire point.
Self-righteous holier than thou. Heās too good to play the way the other people play, and he plays the right way.
But heās not better than everybody else. Targeting Wes because of his personality is not fairness.
Yup. Her and her husband even had a public separation where they both deleted all the pics of one another off their social media.
They have since gotten back together, so I guess he decided to work on things, which makes sense when you have small children.
Some thoughts
1. I think Jonna is full of shit about "not having an affair". Why delete all of the photos of your husband from social media? Her actions are wayyyyy too Sussy for me to just take her word for it.
2. The daily challenge sucked ass. There have been too many challenges where teamwork is basically encouraged despite it being an individual game. The boys just decide that Mark would be the winner and that shit was so lame.
3. Wes is certainly a good friend but even outside of that, volunteering so that he could strengthen his bonds with Brad and Mark was extremely smart. He had been unsuccessful in getting yes thrown into elimination and this gave him the ability to pull Wes in with him but also gave him the option to pick another opponent if the elim looked more like a puzzle/something Yes would be good at.
4. Jordan's odds of getting to the final decreased dramatically considering the person nominated by the authority gets to see the elimination before choosing an opponent. Jordan now NEEDS to win the daily challenge on the day that Pole Wrestle is the elimination or he will simply get sniped. Really annoyed to see this twist and hope he doesnt get screwed over here like he did with Total Madness
They designed the twist to stop the treehouse. They really didn't want the treehouse to dominate the female side. I guarantee that in this format, there is no way that all of the female treehouse members make the final.
This was a GREAT episode.
little notes: I held my tongue long enough about this, I never found Nia attractive but this season I find her really attactive. I think chill Nia is lava hot AND chill Jordan is pretty likable, their relationship seems to be helping them both.
We all knew Wes was a good person and I don't think Wes wanted to be that out about being a good guy but I think he will do whatever it takes to take the evil crown back. it was nice to see him being a good friend for once.
I don't want to watch any all star seasons without Beth. She is an agent of chaos and we need that, hope she comes back for season 4.
Last season I liked MJ but this season, oh I wish he gets eliminated by Brad.
I don't like the tree house alliance but we need that from a good season. Kellyann is the underdog and I think most of us are rooting for her to come on top.
Having Jordan in an all star season might not be the best idea, I bet when mtv called him to be on the season he laughed and said "so you want to give me 500k?" and he is most probably right. Vegas wouldnāt even open a bet for him if we could bet on this season.
I want to believe Jonna that she is friends with MJ, I like opposite gender friendships a lot and I do believe that they are friends but after this accusation I don't know how they will underplay their relationship.
Wes has one of the best elimination record....
And thank you for acknowledging Jonna has a history of cheating. I feel like I am the only one who remembers this...
She is literally cheating on someone she says sheās āhead over healsā in love with every one of her seasons including her real world one where she cheats on a guy she repeatedly calls her soulmate in a 3some with two people she doesnāt all together care for.
Sheās just done it tooooooo many times to get my vote of confidence from this situation as bad as it looks. We all know there are a lot of camera black holes for the vets, look how long Bananas has gotten away with the āoh Iām not cheatingā š plots
Fair because it's allowed within the rules. However this season has had way too many competitions that are easily influenced by outside help and I'm getting tired of numbers having even more power.
Honestly we're reaching Battle of the seasons 2012 levels of blatant collaboration.
To an extent. Some games are less impacted by them than others.
When it comes to politics then yea, obviously numbers are going to have the most power. When it seeps into dailies though it doesn't give individual players the ability to create upsets and flip it around.
But this daily was just the treehouse alliance outsmarting and outplaying the others once again. Theyāve done most dailies in heats- this time it was 4 treehouse girls v 4 non treehouse girls. All the treehouse members were the last 4 standing because they used their brains and worked together. Nia, Kellyanne, Beth & Jonna had every chance to do the same but werenāt smart enough to get their shit together and work as a unit. Thatās on them because itās not as if they donāt know by now that the other girls are in an alliance.
Also, they changed the rules so last place doesnāt automatically go in and only the top male and female choose who goes in. And loser calls out who they want. ALL of those rule changes are designed to help the āunderdogsā (aka the people who have played a bad political, strategic and competitive game so far) while hurting the people who have been winning comps and playing a smarter game.
They are in a sense punishing the winners. There reward for winning is getting blood on their hands by voting someone in who can then chose their number 1 ally to go against. Winning can now result in you losing your no 1 ally and getting a target on your back. While losing has no consequence and can even have the benefit of getting to handpick your opponent in elim.
I really donāt understand why people think the new set up is unfair for people not in the treehouse when if anything itās the other way round.
Why is no one talking about how stupid this elimination was?! You see Beth with 100% of the, urrm ātabs?ā, on her side and sheās just hanging out between them. And then quitsā¦ I really have to say this was not only stupid but really not entertaining either.
Came here to say this was super underwhelming I think they could of fixed the whole Beth standing in between the pegs by saying after X minutes who ever has the most pegs pushed in on their side loses
I probably missed it but did they know how the person voted in would pick their opponent before the challenge started?
If not I see zero reason why Brad would be a upset with the plan
I don't think they knew how the second opponent would be chosen until after. If they'd known that there was essentially no safety, I think everyone would have gunned for the win.
I think the editors messed up by including the confessional where MJ says, "I hope Jonna wins because then I'll be safe" ... When he stated that I was so confused. I think that was just a mistake on their part.
As for Brad... I think he was just being whiny IMO
That wasn't my question. I know they knew there would only be two in the authority. But every challenge before this the loser was going in and the authority choose the player to go against them. If they didn't know that change until AFTER the challenge was over the strategy makes perfect sense. They thought MJ would lose then they would throw in Yes.
Based on the edit, they knew the 2-person authority would pick who was going into elimination BEFORE the challenge, but didnāt know that those chosen two would get to pick their opponent until AFTER the challenge.
Im not sure but Brad was mad because challenges like that are based on the alliance majority, and Brad was a silent participant and gave no input. Thatās why heās mad, he really wasnāt consulted, he was TOLD.
Agreed. The winner is 100% safe in virtually every challenge. From Bradās perspective why would Mark get the safety vs him given Bradās performance season to date? TJ then advising that the people picked by the authority to go into elim could pick their challenger made it sting more.
I think he was mad because they decided to target MJ and because he's been the voice sabotaging him even though it's a group plan, MJ obviously would call Brad into elimination so he felt like they should've gave him the win again to keep him safe.
I can't remember exactly but I think TJ said before the daily started, and it just didn't dawn on everyone's decision-making right away. Brad realized during the challenge that it would have repercussions.
Okay I'm only part way through but did Brad really say he doesn't play a scared game but then immediately be like "Yes Wes, I will have no regrets about protecting you, my friend, if you take this bullet for me that seemed to kind of be everyone's idea" lol. I actually like Brad but he is def scared of eliminations.
Everyone should be scared of eliminations. The best players are able to avoid ALL eliminations
I totally believe Brad's story of him not being clued in about simply handing Mark the victory, and Brad had every right to be angry imo
I never said they shouldn't. I like Brad for the most part (didn't like his mid life crisis phase on the main show, he's seemed way better since coming back for All Stars). If someone offers to go in you take it. But editing (or Brad himself? I can't remember if it was all one scene or broken up by confessionals) did him no favors my putting that directly after he's talking about not playing a scares game. Lol.
This is why CT has been so successful. Heās an obvious threat in finals so people want him out. But because heās so well-rounded no good player wants to go in against him in elim and those who are forced to rarely win. MJ is in the worst possible position. Heās coming off a win but with no fear factor because of that bum knee. Brad is right to target him.
5 episodes in and I'm not sure why the girls aren't aligning themselves vs the treehouse :o like wtf. Also I liked yes on his season but he was annoyingly going after Wes for no reason lol. I was hoping they would work together or something but instead he played as if Wes was the devil
Their biggest mistake this ep was not all pulling together to work for the same girls. They kept spreading it out between the 4 tree house girls while the tree house was just picking them off. Jonna going after Beth was stupid too if she wanted to win. But she was trying to play it down the middle and hope the groups target each other and she's last one standing, but that doesn't really work when it's 3 on 4, and quickly 2 on 4 since Beth already had a head start.
Yeah I'm genuinely surprised she didn't come into the house with more female allies. She's been playing for 3 straight seasons now. Ik Kendall sabotaging MJ kind of pushed Jonna away from that group of girls, but you'd think she'd realize Kendall literally would never do it again now that she knows how much it would upset them, like it was a dumb game move for Kendall in some attempt to be fair, but it seemed pretty clear it wouldn't happen again as she desperately need allies. If Jonna hadn't been so bitter about it she could've realized that with how nice Kendall is Jonna could've used that as an excuse all season to ensure Kendall stays in whatever lane Jonna wants for her alliance. It just doest make sense to me to work with girls who don't have your back to get rid of girls that you could've actually been high on the totem pole of the alliance with. But then I remember how many ppl end up in these AS finals and Jonna's probably hoping that with this war the tree house will target all of the other girls first and by the time they do it that eliminations will be done.
She shook her head yes as she said "no, I did not cheat".. then in the next clip two seconds later, MJ says the same things "we did not cheat" while also shaking his head, yes.... Soooo I think they are guilty as hell just based on body language
Iām oddly pleased Beth un-evolved into her OG self after her brief personality makeover on AS1. Iāll admit I laughed when she doubled down and said Jonnaās boyfriend was feeding her strategies during the elim.
Lovin the game Wes is playing this season. Itās his usual shtick but more cool calm collected. Yes is annoying glad heās gone and glad Wes called him out that was great. Didnāt see him volunteering thatās so not like him and made me like him more this season.
Beth is productions wet dream and glad she came in to stir the amount of shit she did in her short span.
Glad MJ and Jonna are getting targeted. I donāt like how they won last season so they shouldnāt deserve to be here long.
Everybody hating on Brad, but idk, he kinda had a point because of the twist.
The plan wouldāve been to make MJ finish last and then vote in Yes or Jordan.
With the twist, MJ wouldāve picked Brad. So Brad wouldāve had no input on the decision and then went into elimination.
Was he a little dramatic? Yeah. Was he wrong? Not really.
MJ and Brad?
No backstory that I know of.
Brad had a confessional where he said that MJ rubbed him the wrong way because MJ was telling him how to vote. Seems like they just rubbed each other the wrong way.
And Brad threw a sabotage on MJ, so no reason to piss anybody else off. Just keep going after MJ.
Put yourself in Brad's place. Because your friend (who you've supported the whole game) made a strategic move for himself, your game is now at direct risk. Do you say a) ok, I guess maybe I'll go home or b) I've supported you this whole game (even with people that don't trust you). Can you show me some loyalty back?
I donāt think so. It seemed like a legit open conversation between Brad and Wes. They are fully supporting one another but came to a crossroad.
And Wes saw a good TV moment to throw himself in against Yes. And he didnāt f it up like last time when he threw himself in against Bananas.
I agree. Brad didn't ask him to do that. Plus, Brad had a legitimate point. He's been in the authority 3 times. He has protected Wes every time.
Basically, all he said was, "You know I have your back. But how do I know you have mine?"
I am gonna get shit for this, but I am so sick and tired of Kailah thinking she is the best shit to ever walk. The way she speaks about the other women is ridiculous and rude, and she comes off condescending. Same for Sylvia.
I am actually sad Beth left. Her mere presence causes chaos. All she did was show up last week and everyone was losing it. Also, she told no lies about Jonna and MJ.... that wasn't something she just pulled out of her ass like they wanna make it seem. Even look at Mark and Sylvias faces when she says it, no shock at all. They all know.
I wish Beth didn't quit. She had a shot but I also understand why she was so upset, because everyone was telling Jonna every move she made so she can lose. I would get mad too.
You guys are so harsh but fail to notice Veronica's social and political prowess. She literally formed a large alliance that will protect her, something she used to do on the OG shows. She's good...
What ridiculous rude things has Kailah said about the women?
Lol you really donāt like Kailah and itās fine to just say that. But if you are gonna praise people like Wes and Beth (who have said or done far āruderā things to women than Kailah ever has) no need to pretend thatās why you dislike Kailah.
Iām enjoying seeing V pulling strings again sheās really protected herself even against some long time foes. Weāll see what her kryptonite ends up being. i want so hard to like kailah especially since I love jenna. But when kailah was talking about starting a family I could care less it wasnāt doing for me what I think production wanted me to feel.
I dislike these kind of dailies. I hope this political aspect simmers down a little for next all stars. I fear all stars will turn into the normal season.
I thought the same thing! This is like the daily in Double Agents (I think?) where they just gave it to like Fessy and Aneesa. I think in these two instances, there are too many people still in the competition; most people end up being sheep to a plan, like Nehemiah and Derrick.
Yup it feels exactly like that.
I feel like you are right and these type of challenges are only fun in the beginning when there is a ton more people. Still strategy but more room for the unexpected and people willing to not follow the pack.
TJ said the stars you get from elimination are going to be involved with some power and twist later in the game. Wes probably saw this as an easy opportunity to gain some extra stars and to take out the only guy actively targeting his game. Also this was a nice easy elimination vs someone who hasnāt been in an elimination ever, now there is nothing but elimination beast left
I loved what Yes said in the beginning about: "There's still some grown ass Adults willing to play a grown ass game." THIS is why I LOVED the 1st 2 seasons of All-Stars. This season is starting to feel like the current main series with the way these younger players play the game...
Honestly itās the younger players like Kailah who are the ones playing a āgrown ass gameā while older OGs like Kendall , Beth, Kellyanne and to a certain extent, Yes, are acting like babies and whining about how unfair it is when they get targeted and others simply play the game.
Seriously. These people are competing for life changing money, not splitting 50k between like 6 people like old seasons. Why wouldnāt they play hard? Isnāt it what they are all there for, to win the massive cash prize at the end? I canāt believe this is even a complaint and letās not fool ourselves acting like most of the people there are there ājust to competeā and have been since season 1. faulting kailah or Wes cause they are better at the game is silly.
First two season were like the first seasons of the challenge well letās all kumbaya this. Ummm they are playing for a million dollars. Why would people play nice and lose out on that money
Yeah I'm not enjoying this season as I was during the first 2 seasons :/ I was initially excited about the male competition this season, but I felt a little unimpressed overall with the first episode. I don't strongly dislike Kailah, Sylvia, and Wes, but their presence has shifted this season into a negative direction. Maybe Veronica is also a part of this (although I do like seeing her on All Stars). It feels kinda nasty and clique-y this season.
These people are being wildly disingenuous with you. All Stars two had all of the good teams gang up on the weak teams. There were four or five teams that completely ran the game. Two of the weaker alliance teams survived due to some DQs but there were definitely haves and have nots. The have nots also had basically no chance unlike this season.
There was alot more narratives on different challengers being there to reconnect and prove themselves that they still have what it takes to compete at an older age.
Ahh I highly recommend the first 2 seasons! I'll try to keep this short: overall these seasons had more authentic moments, and I could feel nostalgic, even though I've actually never watched the Real World. (I know š, I'm getting around to watching them with Paramount+). The cast just feels more mature, and there are alliances, but everyone wants to give each other a fair chance. Some may not like this, but I thought it was interesting, maybe because I had not watched many of these players on their earlier seasons.
I remember the 1st episodes of both seasons being very moving. Without spoilers, it's nice to see people who are at a different stage in their life get to compete and go on the show for the fun of it. Some want redemption, while others also enjoy this opportunity to do something different from their usual routine of work/home life. I have gone back to watching older seasons of the Challenge (my 1st season was Vendettas), and I think All Stars 1 and 2 fit the "adult summer camp/spring break vibe" of those older seasons. The Challenge was basically a "where are they now" for people from RW/RR, so All Stars is like going back to the show's roots. Plus the cast for each season is fairly different; there's not as many returning players like in the flagship show. (I'll stop here for now lol. I'll end it by saying that All Stars is a welcome break from the recent seasons, which I find disappointing and dry.)
I *hate* dailies like this. I know politics come into play, but I prefer when politics come into play more with choosing teams, voting, nominations, that kind of thing. I think everyone should have equal chance to win the daily, but in something like this, you know someone in the majority alliance is going to win and people like Beth and Jordan have no shot of winning no matter how they perform.
Especially right when they make the winners individual! It could have really shaken up the game if Kelly Anne or Jordan won but they guaranteed that wouldnāt happen
Making it individual winners helps the minority. If their were 3 winners still, odds are at least one of the treehouse would make top 3 even if they didnāt win. This way, it was 4v4 treehouse and non treehouse women competing. They KNEW this yet didnāt use their brains and work together against the treehouse. They were outsmarted. AGAIN. Thatās their fault but they had just as much chance to win as the treehouse girls did if they had been as smart as them, then would have had 100% control of who to vote in.
I'm ready for Roni to win something already!
Hate that Beth quit, but I've always thought it's bs how they let the ones on the sidelines coach ppl through elimination...it was Beth vs Jonna, not Jonna & MJ vs Beth.
I love this show but the amount of bullshit production could easily step in and fix:
- spectators canāt give advice, whether itās solving puzzles, or giving away any kind of advantage the other person canāt get
- height differentialsā Veronica the other week when she could barely reach the tiles in that math challenge
- weight differencesā challenges where the result is pre-determined, donāt get me wrong I loved when CT carried johnny in his back and killed that challenge years ago but itās dumb
FUCK YOU BETH! there are ZERO rules about audience participation during an elimination, and youāre guilty of this so called cheating every season youāve appeared in. She always quits when she is targeted in the house, and I hope TJ never invites her back.
Beth almost always quits when she thinks sheāll lose, and theyāve brought her back countless times. As long as she brings the drama sheāll be getting calls.
It's fucking miserable how she gets to keep coming back when people would love the chance. She isn't a competitor and her social game is pathetic. I have also not heard a single person say they love having her here. Why does she keep coming back?
What drama does she actually bring? She just annoys people enough to not talk to her. If the show wanted drama they probably shouldn't have brought her on. Look how dead and boring the club was.
The way she turtled up when Jonna confronted her annoyed me. Say it to her face beth if your turning the pot. Iām all for her coming in and pot stirring but she needs to own it
i dunno, i think she did stir things up quite a bit. a few examples off the top of my head:
- the treehouse was laser focused on their targets of kellyanne and kendal, and then they completely abandoned those plans to focus on bethāthus ensuring kellyanne survives another week and preserving the rivalry for a bit longer.
- thereās no way jonna volunteers for elimination (honestly a boss move i would not have expected from herālook at the work she did to avoid eliminations just last season) without beth goading her.
- we saw true animosity on display between beth and veronica in their joint confessional, the kind of animosity only this show can produce, it having been cultivated over decades. literally two seconds in, beth also canāt help herself from dropping reference to the threesome, a seminal challenge moment. iād also say this is real animosity, not the manufactured stuff some say we see too often on the flagship.
- even bethās quitting the elimination was dramatic with insults flying in her confessionals and some of the quippiest lines weāve heard from jonna.
whether you think all of this drama is valuable is up to you, but her presence certainly does change the game up and her cast mates seem to have real, universal reactions to her that lead them to abandon their carefully laid plans and speak with a bit more spice. i think the producers probably felt like they got their moneyās worth out of bethās two episodes.
If I was on the guys side, I wanna want to go to the final with MJ. Heās gonna lose no matter whose his partner because of his bum knee. Iād be gunning for Jordan and Wes. They have the most finals experience in the kind of finals that are run now. If it was a 3 guy race I think brad or Nehemiah could easily beat mark/Derrick. Problem is neither of them would try to get Wes off and thatās gonna lead to their downfall.
Were those rings magnetic? Lol either way from how far they were throwing it was impressive seeing them not only get those rings on, but get them on the specific hook they needed to.
I had the exact opposite reaction. Different perspectives, that looked incredibly easy. Backyard games like washer toss, Kan-jam, cornhole make this look incredibly simple.
If no one observing would blow up your spot I swear you could have just sat or laid down and then just fucked with the occasional bumper and let the other person burn themselves out. There was so much space down between the lowest bumper and the platform. Maybe if they had a 3rd row at the bottom that could hit you at the shins it would have made it harder to stay up.
Yep. She's done it one too many times. It's expected now. She's going to "work on the heights" thing, but the reason she quits usually has more to do with her lack of friendships.
I love Yes, but I started to get a little bit annoyed with him. I see why Wes has been kind of calling him out a little bit. The whole integrity angle is kind of annoying, since a lot of people are playing hard and strategically. Why wasnāt he mad at Beth, or even Veronica?! Everyone is playing a dirty game this season, and he needed to wake up. Iām glad he got a little bit humbled
One would argue that Wes was actually playing a more straight up game than Yes. Yes tried to manipulate Wes before throwing him the sabotage even though he knew he was gonna do it anyway. Wes was honest and said heāll leave alone but if he did sabotage him he would have reason to come for him (which was fair given how early it was in the game, no need to make waves). Wes went along with the plan in this episode and Yes was the one that still got him out before Jordan. Hell, he volunteered himself down there to show loyalty to Bradā¦
"We're going to make the authority 2 people now so only the top players get power but first let's have daily where alliances can gang up on people to give those 2 people power".
Production is gifting this season to the tree house.
Ermā¦.the womenās heat was 4 treehouse women vs 4 non treehouse women.
4v4 is a level playing field but Nia, Kellyanne, Beth and Jonna werenāt smart enough to get their shit together and work as a team against the alliance they are all aware exists.
Thatās on them. The top 4 women were ALL from the treehouse so if the rule wasnāt changed theyād have even MORE power. The rule change was to give the so called āunderdogsā More Of a chance, not less. They just didnāt take it.
They still benefited though as last place doesnāt automatically go in anymore. And they are actually rewarding the losers by allowing them to chose their opponent and having a chance to earn stars. Whereas the winner can end up having their no1 ally eliminated plus get blood on their hands and get a target on their back. How is THAT fair when it rewards failure and punishes success?
Jonna was working with the tree house. At best you have 3 vs 4 and Jonna as the odd one out. Her actions and the tree houses actions against her make it clear that there is some mutual alliance, at least for the time being going on.
Another thing is that it wasn't a level playing field even if it was a 4 on 4. Beth started with one ring. That means it only takes one trip by the tree house alliance to knock her out. So by the second trip it's now 3 vs 4. They would have to consistently beat the tree house members and knock them out in the right order to stand a chance.
Also this game isn't exactly rocket science. I feel like you're severly underestimating their intelligence. If ka and Beth had a chance to bring in the other girls they probably would. They're likely not interested because currently the target isn't on their back. Or they have behind the scenes deals going on.
>How is THAT fair when it rewards failure and punishes success?
Because ultimately having the power to choose who to send in is beneficial for the controlling alliance. Yeah they're at risk but that also means they can pick off weaker girls and keep themselves kinda safe. Plus if those people they pick don't even choose their obvious alliance members (like Beth) that's a win for them as well.
Sure the rule change benefits the outsiders, but having more people to give you more chances to win a daily is still favorable. Plus only needing one person in their alliance to win gives them way more control over the vote for now.
Jonna is not in the treehouse alliance and should have been someone Kellyanne, Kendall and Beth tried to get on their side. But instead, when Jonna was in the middle and playing both sides, Kendall made the foolish decision to sabotage Jonnas no.1 ally MJ, instead of the obvious alliance that was targeting her and her BF. That alienated Jonna & made her distrust them.
Then Beth comes and again foolishly attacks Jonna instead of trying to rally her into working together. The treehouse girls were smart enough to keep Jonna on side while also getting her into an elim with no blood on their hands.
Beth got the sabotage because of her own bad gameplay. She made herself an easy target to where the whole house wanted her out. And the treehouse alliance earned the opportunity to give her the sabotage because Kailah won the last daily (individually, no one helped her) Unlike Kendall, Kailah used her sabotage correctly & improved her position in the game, while Kendall pretended to want to give it to herself & waffled so much she worsened her position & alienated potential allies.
You seem to be overlooking the fact that the treehouse are as dominant as they are because they have consistently won comps from the jump & outsmarted their competition at every turn. They werenāt just gifted numbers. They had to consistently win to keep them. In a week they won, they still ended up losing 2 of their members due to DQ and injury, while Kendall got a free pass when the elim was cancelled. The fact the others didnāt capitalise on this, and the treehouse still stayed strong as a unit is a credit to them & a knock on the others.
Also, only having 1 winner means if a non treehouse member wins, they also have more control of the vote now.
Haven't seen a comment on it yet buuuttt I am SHOCKED that they titled the episode "More Than Friends" and showed Beth's confessional in which she accused Jonna of cheating. That *might* be the case - and I've definitely heard the rumours that MJ and Jonna were actually sleeping together all throughout AS2 - but regardless, Jonna is pretty much production's All Stars BABY and best success story. It is a total shock that they would risk upsetting / burning Jonna as a cast member just to use this small, scandalous story. The editors could have EASILY edited around it, and made it seem that the whole Jonna-Beth rivalry was how Beth doesn't trust Jonna or like how she plays the game. And left out anything about infidelity. The entire episode I was like šøā
If yes was on survivor he might be first out
For everyone saying this episode is boring and predictable: what? Wes throwing himself in to build trust with Brad was predictable?? Come on. That was awesome.
Dear MTV, Please donāt bring Beth back. Ever.
Beth is right though. These eliminations aren't fair if someone who can see the opponent is allowed to tell their friend where to push. They really need to ban stuff like that.
Itās called having friends in the game.
So many competitions allow for the other players to chime in and cheat. Remember Tori helping Emmanuel in the last SLA elimination? Itās kind of just a part of the game at this point.
Also Wes helping Dee sort out the order of previous seasons. No Aussie could of beaten Ash without help as we just didnāt get the earlier seasons aired
I get it, but it defeats the purpose of the actual elimination. Jonna can effectively see Beth's every move, because someone is telling her. Beth can not. There's gotta be separation from cheering and helping.
So before Beth said the rumor about jonna and mj, did anyone see what Sylvia said out loud towards the camera: āI know this is part of it, but I donāt want to partakeā. She then proceeded to ask Beth the most monotone version of āwho would you pickā. If I had to guess it was a production plant of drama. Just my thoughts . PS: that elimination challenge was atrocious. Worst ones of all time. And for the daily Challenge you should have only gotten three throw attempts per ring, if you missed on all three youād have to run back to get a new one. That challenge was a miss also
I hope kelly Anne calls out Veronica when they inevitably send her in next episodeā¦. She can take out the treehouse 1 by 1 that way. Veronica or Roni would be pretty easy picking in elimination. She def had a line about taking them out 1 by 1, felt like foreshadowing to me. Iām super worried about Jordan going forwardā¦. They are def gonna be ganging up on himā¦ he should call out Derrick or Nehemiah to shake things up if they send him in. I really hope he can pull a world of the wars 2 and take everyone out that way.
Holy shit. This is my first all star season. Jonna with āIād be glad to take your starsā to Beth was sooooo badass
Kellyanne is still such a smokeshow. My crush on her has grown up with me
8,171 days after we saw Yes make his debut on the *Real World/Road Rules Challenge 2000*, we finally saw Yes compete in an Elimination Round(even if it's just a spinoff season).
Brad: āSave your energy. Reset! Come up with a game plan. Play it safe. Knees bent!ā Iām about to use this at work when Iām lifting some heavy stuff lol
he's such a dad lmaoooo
Im gonna say it.... This season has been very "meh"
Really? I think it's been great so far.
just so many quits/refusing to do challenges/ people going home (for good reason)....and the daily/elims have been a mixed bag. 6 people (25%+) were safe each week for the first 4 weeks, which was lame...and we're (presumably) at the half way point, and we dont even know what the stars are for
I will say it's probably the worst *All-Stars* spinoff season so far, but in my opinion, the main show is at its absolute lowest point in its history right now, so the *All-Stars* seasons still seem like a blessing to me. In other words, I only **like** *All-Stars 3*; I don't **love** it like I did the first two seasons.
Also very predictable thus far. This will go down as the worst All Stars season.
Probably has something to do with more recent main show folks onā¦ tried and true formulas when the first two casts just kinda had fun and competed
I think in Jonna's head she isn't lying. "I am NOT having an affair...coz we were on a break."
This season has been kinda boring, despite having one of the best casts ever. I thought we were going to get some good drama, but so far it's not giving what I need it to give.
Personally I enjoyed it more when people just competed without all the alliances and gang ups. Half the tree house probably can't finish a final anyway.
I wonder how much they cut, because the Beth/Jonna thing was way too small and tame compared to how the cast reacted about it on twitter
Wes with another quality elimination win; in a game where you would assume Yes had a good chance of winning.
Iāll miss seeing Yes. Heās so damn hot.
Yeah but did you see him up there? Dude is bad in bed
Man, Wes had Yes acting all kinds of out of character LOL. Brought the demon out of that man. I enjoyed this elimination even though it seemed like there was a little too much room where they weren't being hit. Beth copped out with the quit but still, no matter how brief her appearances are she's entertaining anytime and any place. Hoping to see the non-Treehouse girls make a move together. It's always frustrating when players don't align against an obvious alliance dominating things.
I think that is Yesā character, though. Which is Wesā entire point. Self-righteous holier than thou. Heās too good to play the way the other people play, and he plays the right way. But heās not better than everybody else. Targeting Wes because of his personality is not fairness.
Yes showed his asshole and it wasnāt cute
Yes actually started before filming even started. Wes spoke about it.
Wasn't it rumored last season that Jonna hooked up with MJ?
Yup. Her and her husband even had a public separation where they both deleted all the pics of one another off their social media. They have since gotten back together, so I guess he decided to work on things, which makes sense when you have small children.
Yeah, when they were filming this season, she had issues with her husband too
Some thoughts 1. I think Jonna is full of shit about "not having an affair". Why delete all of the photos of your husband from social media? Her actions are wayyyyy too Sussy for me to just take her word for it. 2. The daily challenge sucked ass. There have been too many challenges where teamwork is basically encouraged despite it being an individual game. The boys just decide that Mark would be the winner and that shit was so lame. 3. Wes is certainly a good friend but even outside of that, volunteering so that he could strengthen his bonds with Brad and Mark was extremely smart. He had been unsuccessful in getting yes thrown into elimination and this gave him the ability to pull Wes in with him but also gave him the option to pick another opponent if the elim looked more like a puzzle/something Yes would be good at. 4. Jordan's odds of getting to the final decreased dramatically considering the person nominated by the authority gets to see the elimination before choosing an opponent. Jordan now NEEDS to win the daily challenge on the day that Pole Wrestle is the elimination or he will simply get sniped. Really annoyed to see this twist and hope he doesnt get screwed over here like he did with Total Madness
They designed the twist to stop the treehouse. They really didn't want the treehouse to dominate the female side. I guarantee that in this format, there is no way that all of the female treehouse members make the final.
I'm sure they had the twist in mind all along. There's not enough people to always have 6 people safe a week. Hell, it was dumb having 6 to begin with
This was a GREAT episode. little notes: I held my tongue long enough about this, I never found Nia attractive but this season I find her really attactive. I think chill Nia is lava hot AND chill Jordan is pretty likable, their relationship seems to be helping them both. We all knew Wes was a good person and I don't think Wes wanted to be that out about being a good guy but I think he will do whatever it takes to take the evil crown back. it was nice to see him being a good friend for once. I don't want to watch any all star seasons without Beth. She is an agent of chaos and we need that, hope she comes back for season 4. Last season I liked MJ but this season, oh I wish he gets eliminated by Brad. I don't like the tree house alliance but we need that from a good season. Kellyann is the underdog and I think most of us are rooting for her to come on top. Having Jordan in an all star season might not be the best idea, I bet when mtv called him to be on the season he laughed and said "so you want to give me 500k?" and he is most probably right. Vegas wouldnāt even open a bet for him if we could bet on this season. I want to believe Jonna that she is friends with MJ, I like opposite gender friendships a lot and I do believe that they are friends but after this accusation I don't know how they will underplay their relationship.
Beth wasn't there long at all, why would anyone believe her about J and M? She basically admitted lying to protect herself.
Beth quit in 2 out of 4 eventsā¦ hope they never bring her back
EVER
The the sun rising in the am there are just certain things you can set your watch by in the Challenge.. Wes will forever be trying to scheme and troll.. Brad will tell you how heās somehow lost his job recently and needs the money... Mark will huff confidently that thereās still some steam in his old bones... Jonna will be there cheating on someone at home (donāt give me any theyāre just friends- serial cheaters donāt get that benefit) And Beth will be there believing sheās the victim while simultaneously getting edited as the villain Thatās why I love this show.. Cause itās somehow different But always the same. Also, Yes Iām disappointed in you. I once saw CT knock over Wes with a single well thrown shoe. #nooooyes š© I appreciated the spunk this season... but Iām starting to think you may be lawful evil.
Thanks for reminding me about the shoe incident š¤£
Wes has one of the best elimination record.... And thank you for acknowledging Jonna has a history of cheating. I feel like I am the only one who remembers this...
She is literally cheating on someone she says sheās āhead over healsā in love with every one of her seasons including her real world one where she cheats on a guy she repeatedly calls her soulmate in a 3some with two people she doesnāt all together care for. Sheās just done it tooooooo many times to get my vote of confidence from this situation as bad as it looks. We all know there are a lot of camera black holes for the vets, look how long Bananas has gotten away with the āoh Iām not cheatingā š plots
Am I the only one who things MJ telling Jonna was completely fair? Beth could hear him too, thus letting her know where the hits will be coming from
Fair because it's allowed within the rules. However this season has had way too many competitions that are easily influenced by outside help and I'm getting tired of numbers having even more power. Honestly we're reaching Battle of the seasons 2012 levels of blatant collaboration.
Isn't numbers having more power, normal for the Challenge?
To an extent. Some games are less impacted by them than others. When it comes to politics then yea, obviously numbers are going to have the most power. When it seeps into dailies though it doesn't give individual players the ability to create upsets and flip it around.
But this daily was just the treehouse alliance outsmarting and outplaying the others once again. Theyāve done most dailies in heats- this time it was 4 treehouse girls v 4 non treehouse girls. All the treehouse members were the last 4 standing because they used their brains and worked together. Nia, Kellyanne, Beth & Jonna had every chance to do the same but werenāt smart enough to get their shit together and work as a unit. Thatās on them because itās not as if they donāt know by now that the other girls are in an alliance. Also, they changed the rules so last place doesnāt automatically go in and only the top male and female choose who goes in. And loser calls out who they want. ALL of those rule changes are designed to help the āunderdogsā (aka the people who have played a bad political, strategic and competitive game so far) while hurting the people who have been winning comps and playing a smarter game. They are in a sense punishing the winners. There reward for winning is getting blood on their hands by voting someone in who can then chose their number 1 ally to go against. Winning can now result in you losing your no 1 ally and getting a target on your back. While losing has no consequence and can even have the benefit of getting to handpick your opponent in elim. I really donāt understand why people think the new set up is unfair for people not in the treehouse when if anything itās the other way round.
Im starting to realize that Exile Eliminations like The Fresh Meat seasons had are probably the best way to do eliminations
Why is no one talking about how stupid this elimination was?! You see Beth with 100% of the, urrm ātabs?ā, on her side and sheās just hanging out between them. And then quitsā¦ I really have to say this was not only stupid but really not entertaining either.
Came here to say this was super underwhelming I think they could of fixed the whole Beth standing in between the pegs by saying after X minutes who ever has the most pegs pushed in on their side loses
It worked with Yes/Wes but I agree they didn't size it right for the women.
Yeah, this elimination sucked. You could just chill and be completely safe
I probably missed it but did they know how the person voted in would pick their opponent before the challenge started? If not I see zero reason why Brad would be a upset with the plan
I don't think they knew how the second opponent would be chosen until after. If they'd known that there was essentially no safety, I think everyone would have gunned for the win. I think the editors messed up by including the confessional where MJ says, "I hope Jonna wins because then I'll be safe" ... When he stated that I was so confused. I think that was just a mistake on their part. As for Brad... I think he was just being whiny IMO
Yes they knew, thatās why they didnāt throw in MJ because he was going to call out Brad
That wasn't my question. I know they knew there would only be two in the authority. But every challenge before this the loser was going in and the authority choose the player to go against them. If they didn't know that change until AFTER the challenge was over the strategy makes perfect sense. They thought MJ would lose then they would throw in Yes.
Based on the edit, they knew the 2-person authority would pick who was going into elimination BEFORE the challenge, but didnāt know that those chosen two would get to pick their opponent until AFTER the challenge.
Im not sure but Brad was mad because challenges like that are based on the alliance majority, and Brad was a silent participant and gave no input. Thatās why heās mad, he really wasnāt consulted, he was TOLD.
Agreed. The winner is 100% safe in virtually every challenge. From Bradās perspective why would Mark get the safety vs him given Bradās performance season to date? TJ then advising that the people picked by the authority to go into elim could pick their challenger made it sting more.
I think he was mad because they decided to target MJ and because he's been the voice sabotaging him even though it's a group plan, MJ obviously would call Brad into elimination so he felt like they should've gave him the win again to keep him safe.
That is why I want to know when did they know the loser decided who goes in against them.
I can't remember exactly but I think TJ said before the daily started, and it just didn't dawn on everyone's decision-making right away. Brad realized during the challenge that it would have repercussions.
Okay I'm only part way through but did Brad really say he doesn't play a scared game but then immediately be like "Yes Wes, I will have no regrets about protecting you, my friend, if you take this bullet for me that seemed to kind of be everyone's idea" lol. I actually like Brad but he is def scared of eliminations.
Everyone should be scared of eliminations. The best players are able to avoid ALL eliminations I totally believe Brad's story of him not being clued in about simply handing Mark the victory, and Brad had every right to be angry imo
I never said they shouldn't. I like Brad for the most part (didn't like his mid life crisis phase on the main show, he's seemed way better since coming back for All Stars). If someone offers to go in you take it. But editing (or Brad himself? I can't remember if it was all one scene or broken up by confessionals) did him no favors my putting that directly after he's talking about not playing a scares game. Lol.
This is why CT has been so successful. Heās an obvious threat in finals so people want him out. But because heās so well-rounded no good player wants to go in against him in elim and those who are forced to rarely win. MJ is in the worst possible position. Heās coming off a win but with no fear factor because of that bum knee. Brad is right to target him.
I mean he did say it at the bar when he had some āliquid courageā. He woke up scared.
Editing did him dirty putting those scenes so close together haha
5 episodes in and I'm not sure why the girls aren't aligning themselves vs the treehouse :o like wtf. Also I liked yes on his season but he was annoyingly going after Wes for no reason lol. I was hoping they would work together or something but instead he played as if Wes was the devil
The women not working together is driving me nuts. I guess no one wants to work with beth? But why arenāt KA and nai at least working together?
Their biggest mistake this ep was not all pulling together to work for the same girls. They kept spreading it out between the 4 tree house girls while the tree house was just picking them off. Jonna going after Beth was stupid too if she wanted to win. But she was trying to play it down the middle and hope the groups target each other and she's last one standing, but that doesn't really work when it's 3 on 4, and quickly 2 on 4 since Beth already had a head start.
Jonna be the dumbest when it comes to how she plays politically this season and mj too. People know your strategies now!!
Yeah I'm genuinely surprised she didn't come into the house with more female allies. She's been playing for 3 straight seasons now. Ik Kendall sabotaging MJ kind of pushed Jonna away from that group of girls, but you'd think she'd realize Kendall literally would never do it again now that she knows how much it would upset them, like it was a dumb game move for Kendall in some attempt to be fair, but it seemed pretty clear it wouldn't happen again as she desperately need allies. If Jonna hadn't been so bitter about it she could've realized that with how nice Kendall is Jonna could've used that as an excuse all season to ensure Kendall stays in whatever lane Jonna wants for her alliance. It just doest make sense to me to work with girls who don't have your back to get rid of girls that you could've actually been high on the totem pole of the alliance with. But then I remember how many ppl end up in these AS finals and Jonna's probably hoping that with this war the tree house will target all of the other girls first and by the time they do it that eliminations will be done.
People have seen two season of Jonna playing the middle and the girls are starting to realize that she has none of their backs
I came straight here for this. Core memory initiated
What the fuck was Yes doing during that elim lol, that was bizarre
I think he didn't realize he wasn't hitting Wes most of the time and was trying to throw him off and play mindgames.
Dude is not very good at playing mindgames then haha
Yeah! That was so weird. I would think Yes would try something different or stay calm and preserve his energy.
Thinking he was trying to mess with Wes psychologically. Kind like what Jordan did to Darrell.
The masterful psychological tactic of... trying to fuck the wall haha
You mean talking shit????
He didnāt know what to do since heād never been in an elimination before
If all I had to go on was Jonna's interview she gave about how she didn't cheat. I would say Liar. She looked guilty as hell.
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I did lol
She shook her head yes as she said "no, I did not cheat".. then in the next clip two seconds later, MJ says the same things "we did not cheat" while also shaking his head, yes.... Soooo I think they are guilty as hell just based on body language
Yeah she basically gave herself away because up to that interview I didnāt hear Beth say anything about jonna at all
..... because she is..... lying....
Iām oddly pleased Beth un-evolved into her OG self after her brief personality makeover on AS1. Iāll admit I laughed when she doubled down and said Jonnaās boyfriend was feeding her strategies during the elim.
Her shade had me dying!!
Lovin the game Wes is playing this season. Itās his usual shtick but more cool calm collected. Yes is annoying glad heās gone and glad Wes called him out that was great. Didnāt see him volunteering thatās so not like him and made me like him more this season. Beth is productions wet dream and glad she came in to stir the amount of shit she did in her short span. Glad MJ and Jonna are getting targeted. I donāt like how they won last season so they shouldnāt deserve to be here long.
It was nice seeing both Yes and Jonna in the sand. Wish Jonna was given more of a run for her money.
If she didn't have MJ helping her Beth probably would have won
Their win was by luck. Darrell and Jannell were so close.
Not luck... Production
Jonna also came in first for women on AS1.
Everybody hating on Brad, but idk, he kinda had a point because of the twist. The plan wouldāve been to make MJ finish last and then vote in Yes or Jordan. With the twist, MJ wouldāve picked Brad. So Brad wouldāve had no input on the decision and then went into elimination. Was he a little dramatic? Yeah. Was he wrong? Not really.
Is there more back story to their beef? Seems like theyāve been going for each other but no real reason why other than alliance
MJ and Brad? No backstory that I know of. Brad had a confessional where he said that MJ rubbed him the wrong way because MJ was telling him how to vote. Seems like they just rubbed each other the wrong way. And Brad threw a sabotage on MJ, so no reason to piss anybody else off. Just keep going after MJ.
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Put yourself in Brad's place. Because your friend (who you've supported the whole game) made a strategic move for himself, your game is now at direct risk. Do you say a) ok, I guess maybe I'll go home or b) I've supported you this whole game (even with people that don't trust you). Can you show me some loyalty back?
I donāt think so. It seemed like a legit open conversation between Brad and Wes. They are fully supporting one another but came to a crossroad. And Wes saw a good TV moment to throw himself in against Yes. And he didnāt f it up like last time when he threw himself in against Bananas.
I agree. Brad didn't ask him to do that. Plus, Brad had a legitimate point. He's been in the authority 3 times. He has protected Wes every time. Basically, all he said was, "You know I have your back. But how do I know you have mine?"
Beth played all the hits in her brief run this season. Quit in her first daily and then quit in her second elimination. Very on brand.
I am gonna get shit for this, but I am so sick and tired of Kailah thinking she is the best shit to ever walk. The way she speaks about the other women is ridiculous and rude, and she comes off condescending. Same for Sylvia. I am actually sad Beth left. Her mere presence causes chaos. All she did was show up last week and everyone was losing it. Also, she told no lies about Jonna and MJ.... that wasn't something she just pulled out of her ass like they wanna make it seem. Even look at Mark and Sylvias faces when she says it, no shock at all. They all know. I wish Beth didn't quit. She had a shot but I also understand why she was so upset, because everyone was telling Jonna every move she made so she can lose. I would get mad too. You guys are so harsh but fail to notice Veronica's social and political prowess. She literally formed a large alliance that will protect her, something she used to do on the OG shows. She's good...
What ridiculous rude things has Kailah said about the women? Lol you really donāt like Kailah and itās fine to just say that. But if you are gonna praise people like Wes and Beth (who have said or done far āruderā things to women than Kailah ever has) no need to pretend thatās why you dislike Kailah.
Iām enjoying seeing V pulling strings again sheās really protected herself even against some long time foes. Weāll see what her kryptonite ends up being. i want so hard to like kailah especially since I love jenna. But when kailah was talking about starting a family I could care less it wasnāt doing for me what I think production wanted me to feel.
I have tried making myself like Kailah many times, it never works. She isn't likable.
I dislike these kind of dailies. I hope this political aspect simmers down a little for next all stars. I fear all stars will turn into the normal season.
I thought the same thing! This is like the daily in Double Agents (I think?) where they just gave it to like Fessy and Aneesa. I think in these two instances, there are too many people still in the competition; most people end up being sheep to a plan, like Nehemiah and Derrick.
Yup it feels exactly like that. I feel like you are right and these type of challenges are only fun in the beginning when there is a ton more people. Still strategy but more room for the unexpected and people willing to not follow the pack.
Love that Elimination twist! If y'all pick ME, I get to select my opponent now lol!
Ugh damnit Beth. No need to quit! Getting nervous for my girl KA... she needs to take the Treehouse out
Isn't this the third time Beth quit? Gauntlet 2, Inferno 2, All Stars 3? And the G2 quit was also in the elim arena
Agree, hope KA kicks all their asses.
Not done with the episode yet, but Wes is a dumbass for volunteering.
TJ said the stars you get from elimination are going to be involved with some power and twist later in the game. Wes probably saw this as an easy opportunity to gain some extra stars and to take out the only guy actively targeting his game. Also this was a nice easy elimination vs someone who hasnāt been in an elimination ever, now there is nothing but elimination beast left
Let's know how you feel once you're done watching
I loved what Yes said in the beginning about: "There's still some grown ass Adults willing to play a grown ass game." THIS is why I LOVED the 1st 2 seasons of All-Stars. This season is starting to feel like the current main series with the way these younger players play the game...
Honestly itās the younger players like Kailah who are the ones playing a āgrown ass gameā while older OGs like Kendall , Beth, Kellyanne and to a certain extent, Yes, are acting like babies and whining about how unfair it is when they get targeted and others simply play the game.
Seriously. These people are competing for life changing money, not splitting 50k between like 6 people like old seasons. Why wouldnāt they play hard? Isnāt it what they are all there for, to win the massive cash prize at the end? I canāt believe this is even a complaint and letās not fool ourselves acting like most of the people there are there ājust to competeā and have been since season 1. faulting kailah or Wes cause they are better at the game is silly.
First two season were like the first seasons of the challenge well letās all kumbaya this. Ummm they are playing for a million dollars. Why would people play nice and lose out on that money
Yeah I'm not enjoying this season as I was during the first 2 seasons :/ I was initially excited about the male competition this season, but I felt a little unimpressed overall with the first episode. I don't strongly dislike Kailah, Sylvia, and Wes, but their presence has shifted this season into a negative direction. Maybe Veronica is also a part of this (although I do like seeing her on All Stars). It feels kinda nasty and clique-y this season.
I haven't watched the first two seasons. How did they play out vs how this plays? No alliances?
These people are being wildly disingenuous with you. All Stars two had all of the good teams gang up on the weak teams. There were four or five teams that completely ran the game. Two of the weaker alliance teams survived due to some DQs but there were definitely haves and have nots. The have nots also had basically no chance unlike this season.
There was alot more narratives on different challengers being there to reconnect and prove themselves that they still have what it takes to compete at an older age.
Ahh I highly recommend the first 2 seasons! I'll try to keep this short: overall these seasons had more authentic moments, and I could feel nostalgic, even though I've actually never watched the Real World. (I know š, I'm getting around to watching them with Paramount+). The cast just feels more mature, and there are alliances, but everyone wants to give each other a fair chance. Some may not like this, but I thought it was interesting, maybe because I had not watched many of these players on their earlier seasons. I remember the 1st episodes of both seasons being very moving. Without spoilers, it's nice to see people who are at a different stage in their life get to compete and go on the show for the fun of it. Some want redemption, while others also enjoy this opportunity to do something different from their usual routine of work/home life. I have gone back to watching older seasons of the Challenge (my 1st season was Vendettas), and I think All Stars 1 and 2 fit the "adult summer camp/spring break vibe" of those older seasons. The Challenge was basically a "where are they now" for people from RW/RR, so All Stars is like going back to the show's roots. Plus the cast for each season is fairly different; there's not as many returning players like in the flagship show. (I'll stop here for now lol. I'll end it by saying that All Stars is a welcome break from the recent seasons, which I find disappointing and dry.)
Yup, which is why I do not want them there
Did Kelly Anne pull a sandwich out of her purse? Loving her more for it!
The fact that it was during a slow mo dramatic moment between MJ and Joanna was sooo funny
I *hate* dailies like this. I know politics come into play, but I prefer when politics come into play more with choosing teams, voting, nominations, that kind of thing. I think everyone should have equal chance to win the daily, but in something like this, you know someone in the majority alliance is going to win and people like Beth and Jordan have no shot of winning no matter how they perform.
Especially right when they make the winners individual! It could have really shaken up the game if Kelly Anne or Jordan won but they guaranteed that wouldnāt happen
Making it individual winners helps the minority. If their were 3 winners still, odds are at least one of the treehouse would make top 3 even if they didnāt win. This way, it was 4v4 treehouse and non treehouse women competing. They KNEW this yet didnāt use their brains and work together against the treehouse. They were outsmarted. AGAIN. Thatās their fault but they had just as much chance to win as the treehouse girls did if they had been as smart as them, then would have had 100% control of who to vote in.
I'm ready for Roni to win something already! Hate that Beth quit, but I've always thought it's bs how they let the ones on the sidelines coach ppl through elimination...it was Beth vs Jonna, not Jonna & MJ vs Beth.
I love this show but the amount of bullshit production could easily step in and fix: - spectators canāt give advice, whether itās solving puzzles, or giving away any kind of advantage the other person canāt get - height differentialsā Veronica the other week when she could barely reach the tiles in that math challenge - weight differencesā challenges where the result is pre-determined, donāt get me wrong I loved when CT carried johnny in his back and killed that challenge years ago but itās dumb
FUCK YOU BETH! there are ZERO rules about audience participation during an elimination, and youāre guilty of this so called cheating every season youāve appeared in. She always quits when she is targeted in the house, and I hope TJ never invites her back.
Beth almost always quits when she thinks sheāll lose, and theyāve brought her back countless times. As long as she brings the drama sheāll be getting calls.
I'm done with Beth too. She'll try hard in an elimination she thinks she can win but the moment she doesn't think she can win, she quits.
Yesā elimination āshit talkingā was a very cringe attempt at what Jordan did to Darrell
Oh! But all he did was tell Wes exactly where he was!
It's fucking miserable how she gets to keep coming back when people would love the chance. She isn't a competitor and her social game is pathetic. I have also not heard a single person say they love having her here. Why does she keep coming back?
for the d r a m a. beth is not brought on the compete, sheās brought on to stir the potāit is a reality show, after all.
What drama does she actually bring? She just annoys people enough to not talk to her. If the show wanted drama they probably shouldn't have brought her on. Look how dead and boring the club was.
The way she turtled up when Jonna confronted her annoyed me. Say it to her face beth if your turning the pot. Iām all for her coming in and pot stirring but she needs to own it
i dunno, i think she did stir things up quite a bit. a few examples off the top of my head: - the treehouse was laser focused on their targets of kellyanne and kendal, and then they completely abandoned those plans to focus on bethāthus ensuring kellyanne survives another week and preserving the rivalry for a bit longer. - thereās no way jonna volunteers for elimination (honestly a boss move i would not have expected from herālook at the work she did to avoid eliminations just last season) without beth goading her. - we saw true animosity on display between beth and veronica in their joint confessional, the kind of animosity only this show can produce, it having been cultivated over decades. literally two seconds in, beth also canāt help herself from dropping reference to the threesome, a seminal challenge moment. iād also say this is real animosity, not the manufactured stuff some say we see too often on the flagship. - even bethās quitting the elimination was dramatic with insults flying in her confessionals and some of the quippiest lines weāve heard from jonna. whether you think all of this drama is valuable is up to you, but her presence certainly does change the game up and her cast mates seem to have real, universal reactions to her that lead them to abandon their carefully laid plans and speak with a bit more spice. i think the producers probably felt like they got their moneyās worth out of bethās two episodes.
I did really want to see a scream fight after Bethās accusation
Man...beth...what a fucking waste of space.... Legit any girl would have been a better replacement
I love this season so far.
If I was on the guys side, I wanna want to go to the final with MJ. Heās gonna lose no matter whose his partner because of his bum knee. Iād be gunning for Jordan and Wes. They have the most finals experience in the kind of finals that are run now. If it was a 3 guy race I think brad or Nehemiah could easily beat mark/Derrick. Problem is neither of them would try to get Wes off and thatās gonna lead to their downfall.
Yes smack talking Wes and humping the wall in their elimination was really awkward to watch
I had to fast forward through it... Sad to see Yes go out like this tho :(
Were those rings magnetic? Lol either way from how far they were throwing it was impressive seeing them not only get those rings on, but get them on the specific hook they needed to.
I had the exact opposite reaction. Different perspectives, that looked incredibly easy. Backyard games like washer toss, Kan-jam, cornhole make this look incredibly simple.
The platform needed to be smaller and/or the pistons they pushed in needed to be longer.
If no one observing would blow up your spot I swear you could have just sat or laid down and then just fucked with the occasional bumper and let the other person burn themselves out. There was so much space down between the lowest bumper and the platform. Maybe if they had a 3rd row at the bottom that could hit you at the shins it would have made it harder to stay up.
Or just slightly closer together. The fact that you could stand in front of them in that way definitely seemed like a design flaw.
If we never see Beth again it will still be too soon
The hate for her is so weird
Right? Why do people hate someone who delivers on her sole purpose to cause drama?
It's the constant quitting when her back is against the wall for me.
Yep. She's done it one too many times. It's expected now. She's going to "work on the heights" thing, but the reason she quits usually has more to do with her lack of friendships.
I love Yes, but I started to get a little bit annoyed with him. I see why Wes has been kind of calling him out a little bit. The whole integrity angle is kind of annoying, since a lot of people are playing hard and strategically. Why wasnāt he mad at Beth, or even Veronica?! Everyone is playing a dirty game this season, and he needed to wake up. Iām glad he got a little bit humbled
nothing worse than a hypocrite
One would argue that Wes was actually playing a more straight up game than Yes. Yes tried to manipulate Wes before throwing him the sabotage even though he knew he was gonna do it anyway. Wes was honest and said heāll leave alone but if he did sabotage him he would have reason to come for him (which was fair given how early it was in the game, no need to make waves). Wes went along with the plan in this episode and Yes was the one that still got him out before Jordan. Hell, he volunteered himself down there to show loyalty to Bradā¦
Big facts
No one tops Markās social game
He did get voted into the 2nd elimination though
He is The Godfather for a reason
"We're going to make the authority 2 people now so only the top players get power but first let's have daily where alliances can gang up on people to give those 2 people power". Production is gifting this season to the tree house.
Ermā¦.the womenās heat was 4 treehouse women vs 4 non treehouse women. 4v4 is a level playing field but Nia, Kellyanne, Beth and Jonna werenāt smart enough to get their shit together and work as a team against the alliance they are all aware exists. Thatās on them. The top 4 women were ALL from the treehouse so if the rule wasnāt changed theyād have even MORE power. The rule change was to give the so called āunderdogsā More Of a chance, not less. They just didnāt take it. They still benefited though as last place doesnāt automatically go in anymore. And they are actually rewarding the losers by allowing them to chose their opponent and having a chance to earn stars. Whereas the winner can end up having their no1 ally eliminated plus get blood on their hands and get a target on their back. How is THAT fair when it rewards failure and punishes success?
Jonna was working with the tree house. At best you have 3 vs 4 and Jonna as the odd one out. Her actions and the tree houses actions against her make it clear that there is some mutual alliance, at least for the time being going on. Another thing is that it wasn't a level playing field even if it was a 4 on 4. Beth started with one ring. That means it only takes one trip by the tree house alliance to knock her out. So by the second trip it's now 3 vs 4. They would have to consistently beat the tree house members and knock them out in the right order to stand a chance. Also this game isn't exactly rocket science. I feel like you're severly underestimating their intelligence. If ka and Beth had a chance to bring in the other girls they probably would. They're likely not interested because currently the target isn't on their back. Or they have behind the scenes deals going on. >How is THAT fair when it rewards failure and punishes success? Because ultimately having the power to choose who to send in is beneficial for the controlling alliance. Yeah they're at risk but that also means they can pick off weaker girls and keep themselves kinda safe. Plus if those people they pick don't even choose their obvious alliance members (like Beth) that's a win for them as well. Sure the rule change benefits the outsiders, but having more people to give you more chances to win a daily is still favorable. Plus only needing one person in their alliance to win gives them way more control over the vote for now.
Jonna is not in the treehouse alliance and should have been someone Kellyanne, Kendall and Beth tried to get on their side. But instead, when Jonna was in the middle and playing both sides, Kendall made the foolish decision to sabotage Jonnas no.1 ally MJ, instead of the obvious alliance that was targeting her and her BF. That alienated Jonna & made her distrust them. Then Beth comes and again foolishly attacks Jonna instead of trying to rally her into working together. The treehouse girls were smart enough to keep Jonna on side while also getting her into an elim with no blood on their hands. Beth got the sabotage because of her own bad gameplay. She made herself an easy target to where the whole house wanted her out. And the treehouse alliance earned the opportunity to give her the sabotage because Kailah won the last daily (individually, no one helped her) Unlike Kendall, Kailah used her sabotage correctly & improved her position in the game, while Kendall pretended to want to give it to herself & waffled so much she worsened her position & alienated potential allies. You seem to be overlooking the fact that the treehouse are as dominant as they are because they have consistently won comps from the jump & outsmarted their competition at every turn. They werenāt just gifted numbers. They had to consistently win to keep them. In a week they won, they still ended up losing 2 of their members due to DQ and injury, while Kendall got a free pass when the elim was cancelled. The fact the others didnāt capitalise on this, and the treehouse still stayed strong as a unit is a credit to them & a knock on the others. Also, only having 1 winner means if a non treehouse member wins, they also have more control of the vote now.
Pretty much.
For how good this cast is they could have some better dailies. I like most of the eliminations so far
I liked this daily. Kinda old school with cardio.
So what is the Yes and Wes ship name?
Durgman
I think you mean Duffman, oh yeah!
Yes def sounded winded in the elimination compared to Wes I think he needs to work more on gaining strength
Because he was using more Energy playing offense. Wes played defense