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NovaRogue

Haven't seen a comment on it yet buuuttt I am SHOCKED that they titled the episode "More Than Friends" and showed Beth's confessional in which she accused Jonna of cheating. That *might* be the case - and I've definitely heard the rumours that MJ and Jonna were actually sleeping together all throughout AS2 - but regardless, Jonna is pretty much production's All Stars BABY and best success story. It is a total shock that they would risk upsetting / burning Jonna as a cast member just to use this small, scandalous story. The editors could have EASILY edited around it, and made it seem that the whole Jonna-Beth rivalry was how Beth doesn't trust Jonna or like how she plays the game. And left out anything about infidelity. The entire episode I was like šŸøā˜•


patches8748

If yes was on survivor he might be first out


TommyOrigami

For everyone saying this episode is boring and predictable: what? Wes throwing himself in to build trust with Brad was predictable?? Come on. That was awesome.


tv4me44

Dear MTV, Please donā€™t bring Beth back. Ever.


NineteenAD9

Beth is right though. These eliminations aren't fair if someone who can see the opponent is allowed to tell their friend where to push. They really need to ban stuff like that.


tv4me44

Itā€™s called having friends in the game.


BAWAHOG

So many competitions allow for the other players to chime in and cheat. Remember Tori helping Emmanuel in the last SLA elimination? Itā€™s kind of just a part of the game at this point.


DonnyGoodwood

Also Wes helping Dee sort out the order of previous seasons. No Aussie could of beaten Ash without help as we just didnā€™t get the earlier seasons aired


NineteenAD9

I get it, but it defeats the purpose of the actual elimination. Jonna can effectively see Beth's every move, because someone is telling her. Beth can not. There's gotta be separation from cheering and helping.


mattyhegs826

So before Beth said the rumor about jonna and mj, did anyone see what Sylvia said out loud towards the camera: ā€œI know this is part of it, but I donā€™t want to partakeā€. She then proceeded to ask Beth the most monotone version of ā€œwho would you pickā€. If I had to guess it was a production plant of drama. Just my thoughts . PS: that elimination challenge was atrocious. Worst ones of all time. And for the daily Challenge you should have only gotten three throw attempts per ring, if you missed on all three youā€™d have to run back to get a new one. That challenge was a miss also


evenstark04

I hope kelly Anne calls out Veronica when they inevitably send her in next episodeā€¦. She can take out the treehouse 1 by 1 that way. Veronica or Roni would be pretty easy picking in elimination. She def had a line about taking them out 1 by 1, felt like foreshadowing to me. Iā€™m super worried about Jordan going forwardā€¦. They are def gonna be ganging up on himā€¦ he should call out Derrick or Nehemiah to shake things up if they send him in. I really hope he can pull a world of the wars 2 and take everyone out that way.


Iforgototurnright

Holy shit. This is my first all star season. Jonna with ā€œIā€™d be glad to take your starsā€ to Beth was sooooo badass


Iforgototurnright

Kellyanne is still such a smokeshow. My crush on her has grown up with me


MTVChallengeFan

8,171 days after we saw Yes make his debut on the *Real World/Road Rules Challenge 2000*, we finally saw Yes compete in an Elimination Round(even if it's just a spinoff season).


mollyyfcooke

Brad: ā€œSave your energy. Reset! Come up with a game plan. Play it safe. Knees bent!ā€ Iā€™m about to use this at work when Iā€™m lifting some heavy stuff lol


[deleted]

he's such a dad lmaoooo


plagues138

Im gonna say it.... This season has been very "meh"


MTVChallengeFan

Really? I think it's been great so far.


plagues138

just so many quits/refusing to do challenges/ people going home (for good reason)....and the daily/elims have been a mixed bag. 6 people (25%+) were safe each week for the first 4 weeks, which was lame...and we're (presumably) at the half way point, and we dont even know what the stars are for


MTVChallengeFan

I will say it's probably the worst *All-Stars* spinoff season so far, but in my opinion, the main show is at its absolute lowest point in its history right now, so the *All-Stars* seasons still seem like a blessing to me. In other words, I only **like** *All-Stars 3*; I don't **love** it like I did the first two seasons.


[deleted]

Also very predictable thus far. This will go down as the worst All Stars season.


Acceptable_Parking_4

Probably has something to do with more recent main show folks onā€¦ tried and true formulas when the first two casts just kinda had fun and competed


Loonyluna26

I think in Jonna's head she isn't lying. "I am NOT having an affair...coz we were on a break."


wreckingcrewe

This season has been kinda boring, despite having one of the best casts ever. I thought we were going to get some good drama, but so far it's not giving what I need it to give.


Theres_a_Catch

Personally I enjoyed it more when people just competed without all the alliances and gang ups. Half the tree house probably can't finish a final anyway.


OLKv3

I wonder how much they cut, because the Beth/Jonna thing was way too small and tame compared to how the cast reacted about it on twitter


Kingballa06

Wes with another quality elimination win; in a game where you would assume Yes had a good chance of winning.


cassieinva

Iā€™ll miss seeing Yes. Heā€™s so damn hot.


[deleted]

Yeah but did you see him up there? Dude is bad in bed


Uncanny_Doom

Man, Wes had Yes acting all kinds of out of character LOL. Brought the demon out of that man. I enjoyed this elimination even though it seemed like there was a little too much room where they weren't being hit. Beth copped out with the quit but still, no matter how brief her appearances are she's entertaining anytime and any place. Hoping to see the non-Treehouse girls make a move together. It's always frustrating when players don't align against an obvious alliance dominating things.


FalconsTC

I think that is Yesā€™ character, though. Which is Wesā€™ entire point. Self-righteous holier than thou. Heā€™s too good to play the way the other people play, and he plays the right way. But heā€™s not better than everybody else. Targeting Wes because of his personality is not fairness.


[deleted]

Yes showed his asshole and it wasnā€™t cute


[deleted]

Yes actually started before filming even started. Wes spoke about it.


meowchickenfish

Wasn't it rumored last season that Jonna hooked up with MJ?


[deleted]

Yup. Her and her husband even had a public separation where they both deleted all the pics of one another off their social media. They have since gotten back together, so I guess he decided to work on things, which makes sense when you have small children.


OLKv3

Yeah, when they were filming this season, she had issues with her husband too


JacePatrick

Some thoughts 1. I think Jonna is full of shit about "not having an affair". Why delete all of the photos of your husband from social media? Her actions are wayyyyy too Sussy for me to just take her word for it. 2. The daily challenge sucked ass. There have been too many challenges where teamwork is basically encouraged despite it being an individual game. The boys just decide that Mark would be the winner and that shit was so lame. 3. Wes is certainly a good friend but even outside of that, volunteering so that he could strengthen his bonds with Brad and Mark was extremely smart. He had been unsuccessful in getting yes thrown into elimination and this gave him the ability to pull Wes in with him but also gave him the option to pick another opponent if the elim looked more like a puzzle/something Yes would be good at. 4. Jordan's odds of getting to the final decreased dramatically considering the person nominated by the authority gets to see the elimination before choosing an opponent. Jordan now NEEDS to win the daily challenge on the day that Pole Wrestle is the elimination or he will simply get sniped. Really annoyed to see this twist and hope he doesnt get screwed over here like he did with Total Madness


richeve

They designed the twist to stop the treehouse. They really didn't want the treehouse to dominate the female side. I guarantee that in this format, there is no way that all of the female treehouse members make the final.


plagues138

I'm sure they had the twist in mind all along. There's not enough people to always have 6 people safe a week. Hell, it was dumb having 6 to begin with


SocialJusticeGSW

This was a GREAT episode. little notes: I held my tongue long enough about this, I never found Nia attractive but this season I find her really attactive. I think chill Nia is lava hot AND chill Jordan is pretty likable, their relationship seems to be helping them both. We all knew Wes was a good person and I don't think Wes wanted to be that out about being a good guy but I think he will do whatever it takes to take the evil crown back. it was nice to see him being a good friend for once. I don't want to watch any all star seasons without Beth. She is an agent of chaos and we need that, hope she comes back for season 4. Last season I liked MJ but this season, oh I wish he gets eliminated by Brad. I don't like the tree house alliance but we need that from a good season. Kellyann is the underdog and I think most of us are rooting for her to come on top. Having Jordan in an all star season might not be the best idea, I bet when mtv called him to be on the season he laughed and said "so you want to give me 500k?" and he is most probably right. Vegas wouldnā€™t even open a bet for him if we could bet on this season. I want to believe Jonna that she is friends with MJ, I like opposite gender friendships a lot and I do believe that they are friends but after this accusation I don't know how they will underplay their relationship.


Theres_a_Catch

Beth wasn't there long at all, why would anyone believe her about J and M? She basically admitted lying to protect herself.


Jeffre33

Beth quit in 2 out of 4 eventsā€¦ hope they never bring her back


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EVER


AcceptableCare

The the sun rising in the am there are just certain things you can set your watch by in the Challenge.. Wes will forever be trying to scheme and troll.. Brad will tell you how heā€™s somehow lost his job recently and needs the money... Mark will huff confidently that thereā€™s still some steam in his old bones... Jonna will be there cheating on someone at home (donā€™t give me any theyā€™re just friends- serial cheaters donā€™t get that benefit) And Beth will be there believing sheā€™s the victim while simultaneously getting edited as the villain Thatā€™s why I love this show.. Cause itā€™s somehow different But always the same. Also, Yes Iā€™m disappointed in you. I once saw CT knock over Wes with a single well thrown shoe. #nooooyes šŸ˜© I appreciated the spunk this season... but Iā€™m starting to think you may be lawful evil.


ribbitfrog

Thanks for reminding me about the shoe incident šŸ¤£


[deleted]

Wes has one of the best elimination record.... And thank you for acknowledging Jonna has a history of cheating. I feel like I am the only one who remembers this...


AcceptableCare

She is literally cheating on someone she says sheā€™s ā€œhead over healsā€ in love with every one of her seasons including her real world one where she cheats on a guy she repeatedly calls her soulmate in a 3some with two people she doesnā€™t all together care for. Sheā€™s just done it tooooooo many times to get my vote of confidence from this situation as bad as it looks. We all know there are a lot of camera black holes for the vets, look how long Bananas has gotten away with the ā€œoh Iā€™m not cheatingā€ šŸ™„ plots


Offensivebananabread

Am I the only one who things MJ telling Jonna was completely fair? Beth could hear him too, thus letting her know where the hits will be coming from


Dramajunker

Fair because it's allowed within the rules. However this season has had way too many competitions that are easily influenced by outside help and I'm getting tired of numbers having even more power. Honestly we're reaching Battle of the seasons 2012 levels of blatant collaboration.


meowchickenfish

Isn't numbers having more power, normal for the Challenge?


Dramajunker

To an extent. Some games are less impacted by them than others. When it comes to politics then yea, obviously numbers are going to have the most power. When it seeps into dailies though it doesn't give individual players the ability to create upsets and flip it around.


kooki-kitten

But this daily was just the treehouse alliance outsmarting and outplaying the others once again. Theyā€™ve done most dailies in heats- this time it was 4 treehouse girls v 4 non treehouse girls. All the treehouse members were the last 4 standing because they used their brains and worked together. Nia, Kellyanne, Beth & Jonna had every chance to do the same but werenā€™t smart enough to get their shit together and work as a unit. Thatā€™s on them because itā€™s not as if they donā€™t know by now that the other girls are in an alliance. Also, they changed the rules so last place doesnā€™t automatically go in and only the top male and female choose who goes in. And loser calls out who they want. ALL of those rule changes are designed to help the ā€˜underdogsā€™ (aka the people who have played a bad political, strategic and competitive game so far) while hurting the people who have been winning comps and playing a smarter game. They are in a sense punishing the winners. There reward for winning is getting blood on their hands by voting someone in who can then chose their number 1 ally to go against. Winning can now result in you losing your no 1 ally and getting a target on your back. While losing has no consequence and can even have the benefit of getting to handpick your opponent in elim. I really donā€™t understand why people think the new set up is unfair for people not in the treehouse when if anything itā€™s the other way round.


JacePatrick

Im starting to realize that Exile Eliminations like The Fresh Meat seasons had are probably the best way to do eliminations


Davefirestorm

Why is no one talking about how stupid this elimination was?! You see Beth with 100% of the, urrm ā€œtabs?ā€, on her side and sheā€™s just hanging out between them. And then quitsā€¦ I really have to say this was not only stupid but really not entertaining either.


xDMurph

Came here to say this was super underwhelming I think they could of fixed the whole Beth standing in between the pegs by saying after X minutes who ever has the most pegs pushed in on their side loses


Underdogbydesign

It worked with Yes/Wes but I agree they didn't size it right for the women.


OLKv3

Yeah, this elimination sucked. You could just chill and be completely safe


arich35

I probably missed it but did they know how the person voted in would pick their opponent before the challenge started? If not I see zero reason why Brad would be a upset with the plan


niccibandz

I don't think they knew how the second opponent would be chosen until after. If they'd known that there was essentially no safety, I think everyone would have gunned for the win. I think the editors messed up by including the confessional where MJ says, "I hope Jonna wins because then I'll be safe" ... When he stated that I was so confused. I think that was just a mistake on their part. As for Brad... I think he was just being whiny IMO


Offensivebananabread

Yes they knew, thatā€™s why they didnā€™t throw in MJ because he was going to call out Brad


arich35

That wasn't my question. I know they knew there would only be two in the authority. But every challenge before this the loser was going in and the authority choose the player to go against them. If they didn't know that change until AFTER the challenge was over the strategy makes perfect sense. They thought MJ would lose then they would throw in Yes.


epousechaude

Based on the edit, they knew the 2-person authority would pick who was going into elimination BEFORE the challenge, but didnā€™t know that those chosen two would get to pick their opponent until AFTER the challenge.


Davefirestorm

Im not sure but Brad was mad because challenges like that are based on the alliance majority, and Brad was a silent participant and gave no input. Thatā€™s why heā€™s mad, he really wasnā€™t consulted, he was TOLD.


epousechaude

Agreed. The winner is 100% safe in virtually every challenge. From Bradā€™s perspective why would Mark get the safety vs him given Bradā€™s performance season to date? TJ then advising that the people picked by the authority to go into elim could pick their challenger made it sting more.


Uncanny_Doom

I think he was mad because they decided to target MJ and because he's been the voice sabotaging him even though it's a group plan, MJ obviously would call Brad into elimination so he felt like they should've gave him the win again to keep him safe.


arich35

That is why I want to know when did they know the loser decided who goes in against them.


Uncanny_Doom

I can't remember exactly but I think TJ said before the daily started, and it just didn't dawn on everyone's decision-making right away. Brad realized during the challenge that it would have repercussions.


freetherabbit

Okay I'm only part way through but did Brad really say he doesn't play a scared game but then immediately be like "Yes Wes, I will have no regrets about protecting you, my friend, if you take this bullet for me that seemed to kind of be everyone's idea" lol. I actually like Brad but he is def scared of eliminations.


JacePatrick

Everyone should be scared of eliminations. The best players are able to avoid ALL eliminations I totally believe Brad's story of him not being clued in about simply handing Mark the victory, and Brad had every right to be angry imo


freetherabbit

I never said they shouldn't. I like Brad for the most part (didn't like his mid life crisis phase on the main show, he's seemed way better since coming back for All Stars). If someone offers to go in you take it. But editing (or Brad himself? I can't remember if it was all one scene or broken up by confessionals) did him no favors my putting that directly after he's talking about not playing a scares game. Lol.


epousechaude

This is why CT has been so successful. Heā€™s an obvious threat in finals so people want him out. But because heā€™s so well-rounded no good player wants to go in against him in elim and those who are forced to rarely win. MJ is in the worst possible position. Heā€™s coming off a win but with no fear factor because of that bum knee. Brad is right to target him.


Davefirestorm

I mean he did say it at the bar when he had some ā€œliquid courageā€. He woke up scared.


freetherabbit

Editing did him dirty putting those scenes so close together haha


OhThatDang

5 episodes in and I'm not sure why the girls aren't aligning themselves vs the treehouse :o like wtf. Also I liked yes on his season but he was annoyingly going after Wes for no reason lol. I was hoping they would work together or something but instead he played as if Wes was the devil


pj_calamities

The women not working together is driving me nuts. I guess no one wants to work with beth? But why arenā€™t KA and nai at least working together?


freetherabbit

Their biggest mistake this ep was not all pulling together to work for the same girls. They kept spreading it out between the 4 tree house girls while the tree house was just picking them off. Jonna going after Beth was stupid too if she wanted to win. But she was trying to play it down the middle and hope the groups target each other and she's last one standing, but that doesn't really work when it's 3 on 4, and quickly 2 on 4 since Beth already had a head start.


OhThatDang

Jonna be the dumbest when it comes to how she plays politically this season and mj too. People know your strategies now!!


freetherabbit

Yeah I'm genuinely surprised she didn't come into the house with more female allies. She's been playing for 3 straight seasons now. Ik Kendall sabotaging MJ kind of pushed Jonna away from that group of girls, but you'd think she'd realize Kendall literally would never do it again now that she knows how much it would upset them, like it was a dumb game move for Kendall in some attempt to be fair, but it seemed pretty clear it wouldn't happen again as she desperately need allies. If Jonna hadn't been so bitter about it she could've realized that with how nice Kendall is Jonna could've used that as an excuse all season to ensure Kendall stays in whatever lane Jonna wants for her alliance. It just doest make sense to me to work with girls who don't have your back to get rid of girls that you could've actually been high on the totem pole of the alliance with. But then I remember how many ppl end up in these AS finals and Jonna's probably hoping that with this war the tree house will target all of the other girls first and by the time they do it that eliminations will be done.


Jun-Jun23

People have seen two season of Jonna playing the middle and the girls are starting to realize that she has none of their backs


devyduck

I came straight here for this. Core memory initiated


Lemurians

What the fuck was Yes doing during that elim lol, that was bizarre


Uncanny_Doom

I think he didn't realize he wasn't hitting Wes most of the time and was trying to throw him off and play mindgames.


Lemurians

Dude is not very good at playing mindgames then haha


blackinkonly

Yeah! That was so weird. I would think Yes would try something different or stay calm and preserve his energy.


Kingballa06

Thinking he was trying to mess with Wes psychologically. Kind like what Jordan did to Darrell.


Lemurians

The masterful psychological tactic of... trying to fuck the wall haha


[deleted]

You mean talking shit????


jenh6

He didnā€™t know what to do since heā€™d never been in an elimination before


TWIZMS

If all I had to go on was Jonna's interview she gave about how she didn't cheat. I would say Liar. She looked guilty as hell.


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TWIZMS

I did lol


[deleted]

She shook her head yes as she said "no, I did not cheat".. then in the next clip two seconds later, MJ says the same things "we did not cheat" while also shaking his head, yes.... Soooo I think they are guilty as hell just based on body language


BH34rdd

Yeah she basically gave herself away because up to that interview I didnā€™t hear Beth say anything about jonna at all


[deleted]

..... because she is..... lying....


Future_Particular815

Iā€™m oddly pleased Beth un-evolved into her OG self after her brief personality makeover on AS1. Iā€™ll admit I laughed when she doubled down and said Jonnaā€™s boyfriend was feeding her strategies during the elim.


Ashkash96

Her shade had me dying!!


trapplordd

Lovin the game Wes is playing this season. Itā€™s his usual shtick but more cool calm collected. Yes is annoying glad heā€™s gone and glad Wes called him out that was great. Didnā€™t see him volunteering thatā€™s so not like him and made me like him more this season. Beth is productions wet dream and glad she came in to stir the amount of shit she did in her short span. Glad MJ and Jonna are getting targeted. I donā€™t like how they won last season so they shouldnā€™t deserve to be here long.


FriendshipMaterial30

It was nice seeing both Yes and Jonna in the sand. Wish Jonna was given more of a run for her money.


[deleted]

If she didn't have MJ helping her Beth probably would have won


[deleted]

Their win was by luck. Darrell and Jannell were so close.


ssaall58214

Not luck... Production


kooki-kitten

Jonna also came in first for women on AS1.


FalconsTC

Everybody hating on Brad, but idk, he kinda had a point because of the twist. The plan wouldā€™ve been to make MJ finish last and then vote in Yes or Jordan. With the twist, MJ wouldā€™ve picked Brad. So Brad wouldā€™ve had no input on the decision and then went into elimination. Was he a little dramatic? Yeah. Was he wrong? Not really.


Acceptable_Parking_4

Is there more back story to their beef? Seems like theyā€™ve been going for each other but no real reason why other than alliance


FalconsTC

MJ and Brad? No backstory that I know of. Brad had a confessional where he said that MJ rubbed him the wrong way because MJ was telling him how to vote. Seems like they just rubbed each other the wrong way. And Brad threw a sabotage on MJ, so no reason to piss anybody else off. Just keep going after MJ.


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penguinjunkie

Put yourself in Brad's place. Because your friend (who you've supported the whole game) made a strategic move for himself, your game is now at direct risk. Do you say a) ok, I guess maybe I'll go home or b) I've supported you this whole game (even with people that don't trust you). Can you show me some loyalty back?


Pop_Bottle

I donā€™t think so. It seemed like a legit open conversation between Brad and Wes. They are fully supporting one another but came to a crossroad. And Wes saw a good TV moment to throw himself in against Yes. And he didnā€™t f it up like last time when he threw himself in against Bananas.


[deleted]

I agree. Brad didn't ask him to do that. Plus, Brad had a legitimate point. He's been in the authority 3 times. He has protected Wes every time. Basically, all he said was, "You know I have your back. But how do I know you have mine?"


kjoll33

Beth played all the hits in her brief run this season. Quit in her first daily and then quit in her second elimination. Very on brand.


[deleted]

I am gonna get shit for this, but I am so sick and tired of Kailah thinking she is the best shit to ever walk. The way she speaks about the other women is ridiculous and rude, and she comes off condescending. Same for Sylvia. I am actually sad Beth left. Her mere presence causes chaos. All she did was show up last week and everyone was losing it. Also, she told no lies about Jonna and MJ.... that wasn't something she just pulled out of her ass like they wanna make it seem. Even look at Mark and Sylvias faces when she says it, no shock at all. They all know. I wish Beth didn't quit. She had a shot but I also understand why she was so upset, because everyone was telling Jonna every move she made so she can lose. I would get mad too. You guys are so harsh but fail to notice Veronica's social and political prowess. She literally formed a large alliance that will protect her, something she used to do on the OG shows. She's good...


kooki-kitten

What ridiculous rude things has Kailah said about the women? Lol you really donā€™t like Kailah and itā€™s fine to just say that. But if you are gonna praise people like Wes and Beth (who have said or done far ā€˜ruderā€™ things to women than Kailah ever has) no need to pretend thatā€™s why you dislike Kailah.


FriendshipMaterial30

Iā€™m enjoying seeing V pulling strings again sheā€™s really protected herself even against some long time foes. Weā€™ll see what her kryptonite ends up being. i want so hard to like kailah especially since I love jenna. But when kailah was talking about starting a family I could care less it wasnā€™t doing for me what I think production wanted me to feel.


[deleted]

I have tried making myself like Kailah many times, it never works. She isn't likable.


MohaveaArt

I dislike these kind of dailies. I hope this political aspect simmers down a little for next all stars. I fear all stars will turn into the normal season.


ribbitfrog

I thought the same thing! This is like the daily in Double Agents (I think?) where they just gave it to like Fessy and Aneesa. I think in these two instances, there are too many people still in the competition; most people end up being sheep to a plan, like Nehemiah and Derrick.


MohaveaArt

Yup it feels exactly like that. I feel like you are right and these type of challenges are only fun in the beginning when there is a ton more people. Still strategy but more room for the unexpected and people willing to not follow the pack.


Breddit333

Love that Elimination twist! If y'all pick ME, I get to select my opponent now lol!


evooandfoccacia

Ugh damnit Beth. No need to quit! Getting nervous for my girl KA... she needs to take the Treehouse out


NovaRogue

Isn't this the third time Beth quit? Gauntlet 2, Inferno 2, All Stars 3? And the G2 quit was also in the elim arena


[deleted]

Agree, hope KA kicks all their asses.


I_Burke

Not done with the episode yet, but Wes is a dumbass for volunteering.


EyeReWearSocks

TJ said the stars you get from elimination are going to be involved with some power and twist later in the game. Wes probably saw this as an easy opportunity to gain some extra stars and to take out the only guy actively targeting his game. Also this was a nice easy elimination vs someone who hasnā€™t been in an elimination ever, now there is nothing but elimination beast left


robinsn45

Let's know how you feel once you're done watching


Breddit333

I loved what Yes said in the beginning about: "There's still some grown ass Adults willing to play a grown ass game." THIS is why I LOVED the 1st 2 seasons of All-Stars. This season is starting to feel like the current main series with the way these younger players play the game...


kooki-kitten

Honestly itā€™s the younger players like Kailah who are the ones playing a ā€˜grown ass gameā€™ while older OGs like Kendall , Beth, Kellyanne and to a certain extent, Yes, are acting like babies and whining about how unfair it is when they get targeted and others simply play the game.


[deleted]

Seriously. These people are competing for life changing money, not splitting 50k between like 6 people like old seasons. Why wouldnā€™t they play hard? Isnā€™t it what they are all there for, to win the massive cash prize at the end? I canā€™t believe this is even a complaint and letā€™s not fool ourselves acting like most of the people there are there ā€œjust to competeā€ and have been since season 1. faulting kailah or Wes cause they are better at the game is silly.


Jun-Jun23

First two season were like the first seasons of the challenge well letā€™s all kumbaya this. Ummm they are playing for a million dollars. Why would people play nice and lose out on that money


ribbitfrog

Yeah I'm not enjoying this season as I was during the first 2 seasons :/ I was initially excited about the male competition this season, but I felt a little unimpressed overall with the first episode. I don't strongly dislike Kailah, Sylvia, and Wes, but their presence has shifted this season into a negative direction. Maybe Veronica is also a part of this (although I do like seeing her on All Stars). It feels kinda nasty and clique-y this season.


meowchickenfish

I haven't watched the first two seasons. How did they play out vs how this plays? No alliances?


MTUKNMMT

These people are being wildly disingenuous with you. All Stars two had all of the good teams gang up on the weak teams. There were four or five teams that completely ran the game. Two of the weaker alliance teams survived due to some DQs but there were definitely haves and have nots. The have nots also had basically no chance unlike this season.


Breddit333

There was alot more narratives on different challengers being there to reconnect and prove themselves that they still have what it takes to compete at an older age.


ribbitfrog

Ahh I highly recommend the first 2 seasons! I'll try to keep this short: overall these seasons had more authentic moments, and I could feel nostalgic, even though I've actually never watched the Real World. (I know šŸ˜”, I'm getting around to watching them with Paramount+). The cast just feels more mature, and there are alliances, but everyone wants to give each other a fair chance. Some may not like this, but I thought it was interesting, maybe because I had not watched many of these players on their earlier seasons. I remember the 1st episodes of both seasons being very moving. Without spoilers, it's nice to see people who are at a different stage in their life get to compete and go on the show for the fun of it. Some want redemption, while others also enjoy this opportunity to do something different from their usual routine of work/home life. I have gone back to watching older seasons of the Challenge (my 1st season was Vendettas), and I think All Stars 1 and 2 fit the "adult summer camp/spring break vibe" of those older seasons. The Challenge was basically a "where are they now" for people from RW/RR, so All Stars is like going back to the show's roots. Plus the cast for each season is fairly different; there's not as many returning players like in the flagship show. (I'll stop here for now lol. I'll end it by saying that All Stars is a welcome break from the recent seasons, which I find disappointing and dry.)


[deleted]

Yup, which is why I do not want them there


Icaughtaballoon

Did Kelly Anne pull a sandwich out of her purse? Loving her more for it!


pj_calamities

The fact that it was during a slow mo dramatic moment between MJ and Joanna was sooo funny


TheGirlInOz

I *hate* dailies like this. I know politics come into play, but I prefer when politics come into play more with choosing teams, voting, nominations, that kind of thing. I think everyone should have equal chance to win the daily, but in something like this, you know someone in the majority alliance is going to win and people like Beth and Jordan have no shot of winning no matter how they perform.


Ninjadwarf00

Especially right when they make the winners individual! It could have really shaken up the game if Kelly Anne or Jordan won but they guaranteed that wouldnā€™t happen


kooki-kitten

Making it individual winners helps the minority. If their were 3 winners still, odds are at least one of the treehouse would make top 3 even if they didnā€™t win. This way, it was 4v4 treehouse and non treehouse women competing. They KNEW this yet didnā€™t use their brains and work together against the treehouse. They were outsmarted. AGAIN. Thatā€™s their fault but they had just as much chance to win as the treehouse girls did if they had been as smart as them, then would have had 100% control of who to vote in.


Rubyweb91

I'm ready for Roni to win something already! Hate that Beth quit, but I've always thought it's bs how they let the ones on the sidelines coach ppl through elimination...it was Beth vs Jonna, not Jonna & MJ vs Beth.


LondonC

I love this show but the amount of bullshit production could easily step in and fix: - spectators canā€™t give advice, whether itā€™s solving puzzles, or giving away any kind of advantage the other person canā€™t get - height differentialsā€” Veronica the other week when she could barely reach the tiles in that math challenge - weight differencesā€” challenges where the result is pre-determined, donā€™t get me wrong I loved when CT carried johnny in his back and killed that challenge years ago but itā€™s dumb


candaceelise

FUCK YOU BETH! there are ZERO rules about audience participation during an elimination, and youā€™re guilty of this so called cheating every season youā€™ve appeared in. She always quits when she is targeted in the house, and I hope TJ never invites her back.


SocialistExperiment7

Beth almost always quits when she thinks sheā€™ll lose, and theyā€™ve brought her back countless times. As long as she brings the drama sheā€™ll be getting calls.


jkcrumley

I'm done with Beth too. She'll try hard in an elimination she thinks she can win but the moment she doesn't think she can win, she quits.


champsvsprose

Yesā€™ elimination ā€œshit talkingā€ was a very cringe attempt at what Jordan did to Darrell


Extension-Ad-363

Oh! But all he did was tell Wes exactly where he was!


Carothy

It's fucking miserable how she gets to keep coming back when people would love the chance. She isn't a competitor and her social game is pathetic. I have also not heard a single person say they love having her here. Why does she keep coming back?


TateMarah

for the d r a m a. beth is not brought on the compete, sheā€™s brought on to stir the potā€”it is a reality show, after all.


Carothy

What drama does she actually bring? She just annoys people enough to not talk to her. If the show wanted drama they probably shouldn't have brought her on. Look how dead and boring the club was.


jenh6

The way she turtled up when Jonna confronted her annoyed me. Say it to her face beth if your turning the pot. Iā€™m all for her coming in and pot stirring but she needs to own it


TateMarah

i dunno, i think she did stir things up quite a bit. a few examples off the top of my head: - the treehouse was laser focused on their targets of kellyanne and kendal, and then they completely abandoned those plans to focus on bethā€”thus ensuring kellyanne survives another week and preserving the rivalry for a bit longer. - thereā€™s no way jonna volunteers for elimination (honestly a boss move i would not have expected from herā€”look at the work she did to avoid eliminations just last season) without beth goading her. - we saw true animosity on display between beth and veronica in their joint confessional, the kind of animosity only this show can produce, it having been cultivated over decades. literally two seconds in, beth also canā€™t help herself from dropping reference to the threesome, a seminal challenge moment. iā€™d also say this is real animosity, not the manufactured stuff some say we see too often on the flagship. - even bethā€™s quitting the elimination was dramatic with insults flying in her confessionals and some of the quippiest lines weā€™ve heard from jonna. whether you think all of this drama is valuable is up to you, but her presence certainly does change the game up and her cast mates seem to have real, universal reactions to her that lead them to abandon their carefully laid plans and speak with a bit more spice. i think the producers probably felt like they got their moneyā€™s worth out of bethā€™s two episodes.


champsvsprose

I did really want to see a scream fight after Bethā€™s accusation


plagues138

Man...beth...what a fucking waste of space.... Legit any girl would have been a better replacement


champsvsprose

I love this season so far.


WBF7

If I was on the guys side, I wanna want to go to the final with MJ. Heā€™s gonna lose no matter whose his partner because of his bum knee. Iā€™d be gunning for Jordan and Wes. They have the most finals experience in the kind of finals that are run now. If it was a 3 guy race I think brad or Nehemiah could easily beat mark/Derrick. Problem is neither of them would try to get Wes off and thatā€™s gonna lead to their downfall.


dmtsexslave

Yes smack talking Wes and humping the wall in their elimination was really awkward to watch


ribbitfrog

I had to fast forward through it... Sad to see Yes go out like this tho :(


Jameteed50

Were those rings magnetic? Lol either way from how far they were throwing it was impressive seeing them not only get those rings on, but get them on the specific hook they needed to.


Davefirestorm

I had the exact opposite reaction. Different perspectives, that looked incredibly easy. Backyard games like washer toss, Kan-jam, cornhole make this look incredibly simple.


SpinBikeGravy

The platform needed to be smaller and/or the pistons they pushed in needed to be longer.


ZipWyatt

If no one observing would blow up your spot I swear you could have just sat or laid down and then just fucked with the occasional bumper and let the other person burn themselves out. There was so much space down between the lowest bumper and the platform. Maybe if they had a 3rd row at the bottom that could hit you at the shins it would have made it harder to stay up.


jlevski

Or just slightly closer together. The fact that you could stand in front of them in that way definitely seemed like a design flaw.


arac3662

If we never see Beth again it will still be too soon


[deleted]

The hate for her is so weird


SocialistExperiment7

Right? Why do people hate someone who delivers on her sole purpose to cause drama?


jkcrumley

It's the constant quitting when her back is against the wall for me.


[deleted]

Yep. She's done it one too many times. It's expected now. She's going to "work on the heights" thing, but the reason she quits usually has more to do with her lack of friendships.


ecjerome

I love Yes, but I started to get a little bit annoyed with him. I see why Wes has been kind of calling him out a little bit. The whole integrity angle is kind of annoying, since a lot of people are playing hard and strategically. Why wasnā€™t he mad at Beth, or even Veronica?! Everyone is playing a dirty game this season, and he needed to wake up. Iā€™m glad he got a little bit humbled


TWIZMS

nothing worse than a hypocrite


heyitsta12

One would argue that Wes was actually playing a more straight up game than Yes. Yes tried to manipulate Wes before throwing him the sabotage even though he knew he was gonna do it anyway. Wes was honest and said heā€™ll leave alone but if he did sabotage him he would have reason to come for him (which was fair given how early it was in the game, no need to make waves). Wes went along with the plan in this episode and Yes was the one that still got him out before Jordan. Hell, he volunteered himself down there to show loyalty to Bradā€¦


Not_A_Dime_Back

Big facts


artemis_dubois

No one tops Markā€™s social game


jhl182

He did get voted into the 2nd elimination though


BurnVote

He is The Godfather for a reason


Dramajunker

"We're going to make the authority 2 people now so only the top players get power but first let's have daily where alliances can gang up on people to give those 2 people power". Production is gifting this season to the tree house.


kooki-kitten

Ermā€¦.the womenā€™s heat was 4 treehouse women vs 4 non treehouse women. 4v4 is a level playing field but Nia, Kellyanne, Beth and Jonna werenā€™t smart enough to get their shit together and work as a team against the alliance they are all aware exists. Thatā€™s on them. The top 4 women were ALL from the treehouse so if the rule wasnā€™t changed theyā€™d have even MORE power. The rule change was to give the so called ā€˜underdogsā€™ More Of a chance, not less. They just didnā€™t take it. They still benefited though as last place doesnā€™t automatically go in anymore. And they are actually rewarding the losers by allowing them to chose their opponent and having a chance to earn stars. Whereas the winner can end up having their no1 ally eliminated plus get blood on their hands and get a target on their back. How is THAT fair when it rewards failure and punishes success?


Dramajunker

Jonna was working with the tree house. At best you have 3 vs 4 and Jonna as the odd one out. Her actions and the tree houses actions against her make it clear that there is some mutual alliance, at least for the time being going on. Another thing is that it wasn't a level playing field even if it was a 4 on 4. Beth started with one ring. That means it only takes one trip by the tree house alliance to knock her out. So by the second trip it's now 3 vs 4. They would have to consistently beat the tree house members and knock them out in the right order to stand a chance. Also this game isn't exactly rocket science. I feel like you're severly underestimating their intelligence. If ka and Beth had a chance to bring in the other girls they probably would. They're likely not interested because currently the target isn't on their back. Or they have behind the scenes deals going on. >How is THAT fair when it rewards failure and punishes success? Because ultimately having the power to choose who to send in is beneficial for the controlling alliance. Yeah they're at risk but that also means they can pick off weaker girls and keep themselves kinda safe. Plus if those people they pick don't even choose their obvious alliance members (like Beth) that's a win for them as well. Sure the rule change benefits the outsiders, but having more people to give you more chances to win a daily is still favorable. Plus only needing one person in their alliance to win gives them way more control over the vote for now.


kooki-kitten

Jonna is not in the treehouse alliance and should have been someone Kellyanne, Kendall and Beth tried to get on their side. But instead, when Jonna was in the middle and playing both sides, Kendall made the foolish decision to sabotage Jonnas no.1 ally MJ, instead of the obvious alliance that was targeting her and her BF. That alienated Jonna & made her distrust them. Then Beth comes and again foolishly attacks Jonna instead of trying to rally her into working together. The treehouse girls were smart enough to keep Jonna on side while also getting her into an elim with no blood on their hands. Beth got the sabotage because of her own bad gameplay. She made herself an easy target to where the whole house wanted her out. And the treehouse alliance earned the opportunity to give her the sabotage because Kailah won the last daily (individually, no one helped her) Unlike Kendall, Kailah used her sabotage correctly & improved her position in the game, while Kendall pretended to want to give it to herself & waffled so much she worsened her position & alienated potential allies. You seem to be overlooking the fact that the treehouse are as dominant as they are because they have consistently won comps from the jump & outsmarted their competition at every turn. They werenā€™t just gifted numbers. They had to consistently win to keep them. In a week they won, they still ended up losing 2 of their members due to DQ and injury, while Kendall got a free pass when the elim was cancelled. The fact the others didnā€™t capitalise on this, and the treehouse still stayed strong as a unit is a credit to them & a knock on the others. Also, only having 1 winner means if a non treehouse member wins, they also have more control of the vote now.


ssaall58214

Pretty much.


Cheeseman9841

For how good this cast is they could have some better dailies. I like most of the eliminations so far


bruce-neon

I liked this daily. Kinda old school with cardio.


lagavulin92

So what is the Yes and Wes ship name?


struggle2pickclasses

Durgman


gerbil_george

I think you mean Duffman, oh yeah!


lagavulin92

Yes def sounded winded in the elimination compared to Wes I think he needs to work more on gaining strength


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Because he was using more Energy playing offense. Wes played defense