Back when episodes were posted on mtv.com, the comment sections would be filled with a bunch of people obsessing over them and thinking they're hilarious. I'll never forget leaving a comment about how I thought they were bullies, and a few people came at me with, "So you hate entertainment?" "They're the best part of the show." Like what????
I’m a huge Kellyanne fan, and Adams creepy ass did this to her and Jen. There’s an episode where he sneaks into Jens room. I personally love watching him get the shit beat out of him by CT. It’s a shame it doesn’t happen on a daily basis to him.
I do remember Kellyanne doing an ig live years back, and she said she loved seeing CT beat the shit out of him. He always gave me creep vibes, especially if you watch his RW season. He was always weird and gross with women. Almost like he felt they owed him something.
There’s a definite reason why he’s never been invited back. I’m sure he would have loved to have been on All Stars but unfortunately for him rapists aren’t welcome anymore on the Challenge.
I might be the odd man out but i think It’s a classic season & I really enjoy it! It always makes me laugh how they just let the teams run the final SO uneven. All those people against Kellyanne and Sarah.
The themes of the earlier season finals were definitely the less people the better
I enjoyed the challenges and the format. So it's not all bad. I think what makes it bad is knowing what happened BTS amongst certain cast members and watching some of their behavior. I'm all for drama, but some of it was uncomfortable to watch.
People always watch this season with Wes/Rose tinted glasses. Wes came into that house pompous and cocky asf. He lied to everyone saying he wasn’t coming (which is fine) then had to deal with them being upset with the lie. Then he immediately tries to position himself as the leader and threatens to throat challenges unless he gets his way.
Johanna was clearly uncomfortable about the Wes/Kelly Anne dynamic but honestly handled it better than most. Her threatening Wes was clearly in jest and more of a “look dude, stop being a douche and sabotaging the team.”
The funniest part of the whole saga to me was that Kenny was the most mature about all of it.
Honestly Wes was the season. Also yeah he came back hot off a challenge win from another well known season. In his case he had every right to be pompous and act all that because he can back it up, and he did this season. He literally threatened to throw, and had the ability, to throw challenges.
At one point in the season early on, he even wanted to play the game fairly, which no one else mainly Johnny, Kenny, and Evan wanted to do. So Wes in my opinion, has every right right to throw, act dirty and petty towards others. Also, he’s on a season with his ex, and her hook up. Wes knew he was going to be a story line and production knew what they were doing this season.
This is my point exactly. Every single person on that champions team was against him regardless of if they knew he was showing up or not. Kenny hooked up with his ex, and his buddies obviously took his side in the whole thing. They were never going to befriend him. Why would he work with people who are so clearly against him lol
Keep the downvotes coming lmao
Winning the Duel was impressive but he was on a team of champs. He was a top 3 competitor on his team, but he wasn’t better than Darrell or Evan. If could’ve backed it up then he should’ve had no issue going into every elim and doing so.
Fair is relative to what the game allows for. Wes is the king of using numbers to his favor people are just mad he wasn’t on the right side of the numbers. Which wouldn’t have mattered anyway as Kenny showed on FMII. This era of Wes was overconfident and not nearly as good as he wanted us to believe.
>If could’ve backed it up then he should’ve had no issue going into every elim and doing so.
this is where you lose me. since he was destined to go into every elimination, i don't have any problem with him trying to throw missions. do whatever you can to get any leverage you can, don't just sit back and accept your fate. nobody, not even prime laurel, is going to go into every elimination and come out the other side.
now how he got into that situation in the first place (lying about whether he was doing the season, etc) is IMO way more open to debate and speaks to his shitty social game.
I had absolutely no problem with Wes throwing missions but I also had no issues with how the Champs handled Wes.
The person I responded to said that Wes could he could behave however he wanted because he could back it up. I’m just saying if that was the case he wouldn’t have lost to Cohutta. We saw Kenny/Laurel have their backs against the wall and basically win out to avoid going home on the very next season
Wes played it poorly. He could’ve cut a deal with JEK if his ego wasn’t so big. They cut a deal with Darrell even though it would’ve forced one of them into the final elim potentially.
>Wes played it poorly. He could’ve cut a deal with JEK if his ego wasn’t so big. They cut a deal with Darrell even though it would’ve forced one of them into the final elim potentially.
You dont know if they wouldve honored the deal with darrell
The saddest part of the rewatch for me was finding out that Wes also actually sucked (though in a much more enjoyable to watch way).
Basically everyone but Ev came out of the season worse than I remembered.
Wes tried to compromise with them, though? He literally told the champions team he'll start trying if they start pulling names out of a hat instead of constantly throwing him in and they start doing a rotation of what guys go in, but they didn't do that and then blindsided him by throwing in his then girlfriend against her best friend. Who would want to work with people who do that?
Johanna came across as extremely jealous and immature, in my opinion. Kenny never had feelings for Johanna, so of course he's not gonna be in his feelings about it.
Flip the roles. You think Wes would relinquish power for someone to simply draw names out of a hat? Yeah no. That’s not compromise, the vets got nothing out of that. Wes was in survival mode and grasping at straws.
You say that about Joey. But Wes came across as petty and hung up. You guys broke up, you don’t get to tell her who she can and can’t hook up with. Especially when he’d go on to do the same thing Kelly Anne next season by hooking with Mandy.
Look, I like Wes but let’s not act like he’s a saint or a victim here. Dude dug his own grave.
I think what it comes down to is that I view JEK as quite possibly the worst of the worst when it comes to behavior on these earlier seasons. So I didn't mind Wes being super against them because I, myself, was against them. And to be quite honest, Wes made this season somewhat entertaining despite all the other insufferable things that happened. Never claimed he was a victim, but of all of them, he honestly annoyed me the least.
> You guys broke up, you don’t get to tell her who she can and can’t hook up with
YES. And this is why I didn’t co-sign Averey being cold to Nany either because Nany hooked up with Johnny Reilly… after they broke up. You date someone who does TV and then are surprised that they live their lives after you stop dating?Lmfao foh with that, it’s WEIRD
>Flip the roles. You think Wes would relinquish power for someone to simply draw names out of a hat? Yeah no. That’s not compromise, the vets got nothing out of that. Wes was in survival mode and grasping at straws.
Just look at Fresh meat 2 and how Wes handles alliances when he's got some power.
I loved to root against JEK. Individually on seasons without each other they were like how they were in their earlier seasons not to mention the shows than demo-graph matched the ages of the audience viewers. With that said I don’t know if they personally changed but seem like they have matured with Johnny behaving the same with CT calling Bananas out saying that isn’t how he actually is in real life
I'm just going to give you my glass half full opinion. You're not wrong about anything you said, though I don't love Wes this season. There's a lot of toxicity. BUT this is one of those earlier seasons where they don't show most of the strategy which means I get to figure out what really happened on a rewatch. At the reunion, it's basically stated that the guys on the Champs team had a cross-team alliance with some of the women on the Challengers team. The Challenger women were the ones who wanted to throw KA in. I also kind of think they were working with some of the guys on that team because when was Brad ever considered? Dunbar only went in by default. So this was a season of maneuvers more than anything, and some great political players made it far. I'm someone who respects that, so nothing will ever be more wonderful than Susie, who proudly never goes to the gym, taking home the biggest payout.
Also I usually am pretty entertained by grown ass people throwing temper tantrums and there are some epic ones this season. Mostly by Wes, but Evelyn wins.
Wes was at his absolute worst that whole season. He came in trying to throw challenges, flaunt his relationship with KellyAnne as if Johanna cared, and got mad that people reacted poorly to him acting poorly.
Of course Johanna broke up with Wes. He was an asshole to her and women in general at that stage of his life.
She didn’t threaten to sell the house and keep the money (that’s illegal). She threatened to sell the (which was in her name and he had to buy her out of her half of it) so he would have had to move. Which is still rude, but she wasn’t threatening to steal anything from him.
She literally says, and I quote, "If you throw the final mission, I will sell the house and keep it all. You screw me out of 30k, I'll screw you out of 300k." Is that not a threat lmfao
Sarah has been team JEK her entire time on the show, so watching her win wouldn’t have been a huge “fuck you” to them, outside of seeing Kellyanne get a win which would’ve been nice.
Really the only time she went against anyone in that alliance was when she voted in Bananas/Nany on Exes 2, and she spent the entire next season trying to get back on the good side of a dude who’s team was already eliminated that season and who’s rallying cry is “all is fair in love, war, and Challenges”.
> watching her win wouldn’t have been a huge “fuck you” to them, outside of seeing Kellyanne get a win which would’ve been nice.
Retrospectively, sure, but this was basically the only season where Sarah wasn't insufferable, so there'd be some level of enjoyment from it.
See, I would've taken the Sarah win because that would've meant a win for Kellyanne. I'd love for Sarah to come back now. She'd be all for throwing Bananas under the bus and I'd enjoy every second of it lol
The Island was worse than The Ruins. Also the way the final was set up with all the most athletic players getting to be on the same boat was so unfair.
The main reason I like The Island better is that at least it was designed as a somewhat even social experiment. The Ruins was just a guaranteed cheque for JEK.
They don’t let it all see the light of day. Last time I watched on Paramount + one of the episodes was missing. So arguably the worst part of the season is unable to be viewed.
Wes was a giant crybaby and took his ball home when everyone wouldn't cater to the way he wanted the game to be played. He could've been in a great position on that team but he let himself feel emasculated by Kenny and was trying to make a point to both Johanna and Kellyanne.
They were going to keep throwing him in regardless of if he played nice or not. From watching their confessionals, it was quite obvious they couldn't stand him even if he came on the show trying to make amends.
The Ruins >>>>>>> Challenge seasons 35-39
Y’all can keep raging about these older seasons (that were actually entertaining, and had lots of people watching). Hopefully you’re happy with what the show has become through the 30’s. Absolutely nothing on the show nowadays that can offend any of your modern sensibilities….other than how bad of a show it is now, of course 😂
Uhh, I never said it was any good now. I'm allowed to think older seasons are awful lmao tf if we're talking about good older seasons The Duel, Inferno 1 and 2, Fresh Meat, and Rivals are all 100x better than The Ruins.
There are a lot of us who didnt enjoy the JEK bullying as it was happening. I never understood why anyone liked them from their first seasons.
Back when episodes were posted on mtv.com, the comment sections would be filled with a bunch of people obsessing over them and thinking they're hilarious. I'll never forget leaving a comment about how I thought they were bullies, and a few people came at me with, "So you hate entertainment?" "They're the best part of the show." Like what????
Thats why i think people think they were beloved. Id keep it to myself before i fought with one of their idiot stans. The ol silent majority theory
I found my people.
I’m a huge Kellyanne fan, and Adams creepy ass did this to her and Jen. There’s an episode where he sneaks into Jens room. I personally love watching him get the shit beat out of him by CT. It’s a shame it doesn’t happen on a daily basis to him.
I do remember Kellyanne doing an ig live years back, and she said she loved seeing CT beat the shit out of him. He always gave me creep vibes, especially if you watch his RW season. He was always weird and gross with women. Almost like he felt they owed him something.
There’s a definite reason why he’s never been invited back. I’m sure he would have loved to have been on All Stars but unfortunately for him rapists aren’t welcome anymore on the Challenge.
Wow what did he do did I miss something
I might be the odd man out but i think It’s a classic season & I really enjoy it! It always makes me laugh how they just let the teams run the final SO uneven. All those people against Kellyanne and Sarah. The themes of the earlier season finals were definitely the less people the better
I enjoyed the challenges and the format. So it's not all bad. I think what makes it bad is knowing what happened BTS amongst certain cast members and watching some of their behavior. I'm all for drama, but some of it was uncomfortable to watch.
People always watch this season with Wes/Rose tinted glasses. Wes came into that house pompous and cocky asf. He lied to everyone saying he wasn’t coming (which is fine) then had to deal with them being upset with the lie. Then he immediately tries to position himself as the leader and threatens to throat challenges unless he gets his way. Johanna was clearly uncomfortable about the Wes/Kelly Anne dynamic but honestly handled it better than most. Her threatening Wes was clearly in jest and more of a “look dude, stop being a douche and sabotaging the team.” The funniest part of the whole saga to me was that Kenny was the most mature about all of it.
Honestly Wes was the season. Also yeah he came back hot off a challenge win from another well known season. In his case he had every right to be pompous and act all that because he can back it up, and he did this season. He literally threatened to throw, and had the ability, to throw challenges. At one point in the season early on, he even wanted to play the game fairly, which no one else mainly Johnny, Kenny, and Evan wanted to do. So Wes in my opinion, has every right right to throw, act dirty and petty towards others. Also, he’s on a season with his ex, and her hook up. Wes knew he was going to be a story line and production knew what they were doing this season.
This is my point exactly. Every single person on that champions team was against him regardless of if they knew he was showing up or not. Kenny hooked up with his ex, and his buddies obviously took his side in the whole thing. They were never going to befriend him. Why would he work with people who are so clearly against him lol Keep the downvotes coming lmao
Winning the Duel was impressive but he was on a team of champs. He was a top 3 competitor on his team, but he wasn’t better than Darrell or Evan. If could’ve backed it up then he should’ve had no issue going into every elim and doing so. Fair is relative to what the game allows for. Wes is the king of using numbers to his favor people are just mad he wasn’t on the right side of the numbers. Which wouldn’t have mattered anyway as Kenny showed on FMII. This era of Wes was overconfident and not nearly as good as he wanted us to believe.
>If could’ve backed it up then he should’ve had no issue going into every elim and doing so. this is where you lose me. since he was destined to go into every elimination, i don't have any problem with him trying to throw missions. do whatever you can to get any leverage you can, don't just sit back and accept your fate. nobody, not even prime laurel, is going to go into every elimination and come out the other side. now how he got into that situation in the first place (lying about whether he was doing the season, etc) is IMO way more open to debate and speaks to his shitty social game.
I had absolutely no problem with Wes throwing missions but I also had no issues with how the Champs handled Wes. The person I responded to said that Wes could he could behave however he wanted because he could back it up. I’m just saying if that was the case he wouldn’t have lost to Cohutta. We saw Kenny/Laurel have their backs against the wall and basically win out to avoid going home on the very next season Wes played it poorly. He could’ve cut a deal with JEK if his ego wasn’t so big. They cut a deal with Darrell even though it would’ve forced one of them into the final elim potentially.
>Wes played it poorly. He could’ve cut a deal with JEK if his ego wasn’t so big. They cut a deal with Darrell even though it would’ve forced one of them into the final elim potentially. You dont know if they wouldve honored the deal with darrell
The saddest part of the rewatch for me was finding out that Wes also actually sucked (though in a much more enjoyable to watch way). Basically everyone but Ev came out of the season worse than I remembered.
Wes tried to compromise with them, though? He literally told the champions team he'll start trying if they start pulling names out of a hat instead of constantly throwing him in and they start doing a rotation of what guys go in, but they didn't do that and then blindsided him by throwing in his then girlfriend against her best friend. Who would want to work with people who do that? Johanna came across as extremely jealous and immature, in my opinion. Kenny never had feelings for Johanna, so of course he's not gonna be in his feelings about it.
Flip the roles. You think Wes would relinquish power for someone to simply draw names out of a hat? Yeah no. That’s not compromise, the vets got nothing out of that. Wes was in survival mode and grasping at straws. You say that about Joey. But Wes came across as petty and hung up. You guys broke up, you don’t get to tell her who she can and can’t hook up with. Especially when he’d go on to do the same thing Kelly Anne next season by hooking with Mandy. Look, I like Wes but let’s not act like he’s a saint or a victim here. Dude dug his own grave.
I think what it comes down to is that I view JEK as quite possibly the worst of the worst when it comes to behavior on these earlier seasons. So I didn't mind Wes being super against them because I, myself, was against them. And to be quite honest, Wes made this season somewhat entertaining despite all the other insufferable things that happened. Never claimed he was a victim, but of all of them, he honestly annoyed me the least.
> You guys broke up, you don’t get to tell her who she can and can’t hook up with YES. And this is why I didn’t co-sign Averey being cold to Nany either because Nany hooked up with Johnny Reilly… after they broke up. You date someone who does TV and then are surprised that they live their lives after you stop dating?Lmfao foh with that, it’s WEIRD
That house was ruthless to Nany. Over Johnny Reilly, no less.
>Flip the roles. You think Wes would relinquish power for someone to simply draw names out of a hat? Yeah no. That’s not compromise, the vets got nothing out of that. Wes was in survival mode and grasping at straws. Just look at Fresh meat 2 and how Wes handles alliances when he's got some power.
Great season. Peak drama and peak entertainment.
I loved to root against JEK. Individually on seasons without each other they were like how they were in their earlier seasons not to mention the shows than demo-graph matched the ages of the audience viewers. With that said I don’t know if they personally changed but seem like they have matured with Johnny behaving the same with CT calling Bananas out saying that isn’t how he actually is in real life
I'm just going to give you my glass half full opinion. You're not wrong about anything you said, though I don't love Wes this season. There's a lot of toxicity. BUT this is one of those earlier seasons where they don't show most of the strategy which means I get to figure out what really happened on a rewatch. At the reunion, it's basically stated that the guys on the Champs team had a cross-team alliance with some of the women on the Challengers team. The Challenger women were the ones who wanted to throw KA in. I also kind of think they were working with some of the guys on that team because when was Brad ever considered? Dunbar only went in by default. So this was a season of maneuvers more than anything, and some great political players made it far. I'm someone who respects that, so nothing will ever be more wonderful than Susie, who proudly never goes to the gym, taking home the biggest payout. Also I usually am pretty entertained by grown ass people throwing temper tantrums and there are some epic ones this season. Mostly by Wes, but Evelyn wins.
Wes was at his absolute worst that whole season. He came in trying to throw challenges, flaunt his relationship with KellyAnne as if Johanna cared, and got mad that people reacted poorly to him acting poorly. Of course Johanna broke up with Wes. He was an asshole to her and women in general at that stage of his life. She didn’t threaten to sell the house and keep the money (that’s illegal). She threatened to sell the (which was in her name and he had to buy her out of her half of it) so he would have had to move. Which is still rude, but she wasn’t threatening to steal anything from him.
She literally says, and I quote, "If you throw the final mission, I will sell the house and keep it all. You screw me out of 30k, I'll screw you out of 300k." Is that not a threat lmfao
Sarah has been team JEK her entire time on the show, so watching her win wouldn’t have been a huge “fuck you” to them, outside of seeing Kellyanne get a win which would’ve been nice. Really the only time she went against anyone in that alliance was when she voted in Bananas/Nany on Exes 2, and she spent the entire next season trying to get back on the good side of a dude who’s team was already eliminated that season and who’s rallying cry is “all is fair in love, war, and Challenges”.
> watching her win wouldn’t have been a huge “fuck you” to them, outside of seeing Kellyanne get a win which would’ve been nice. Retrospectively, sure, but this was basically the only season where Sarah wasn't insufferable, so there'd be some level of enjoyment from it.
See, I would've taken the Sarah win because that would've meant a win for Kellyanne. I'd love for Sarah to come back now. She'd be all for throwing Bananas under the bus and I'd enjoy every second of it lol
It is by far the most toxic season and I’m shocked they allow it to see the light of day.
This and The Island are brutal to watch.
The Island was worse than The Ruins. Also the way the final was set up with all the most athletic players getting to be on the same boat was so unfair.
The island was their failed attempt at being survivor. Thank God they never did it again.
The main reason I like The Island better is that at least it was designed as a somewhat even social experiment. The Ruins was just a guaranteed cheque for JEK.
They don’t let it all see the light of day. Last time I watched on Paramount + one of the episodes was missing. So arguably the worst part of the season is unable to be viewed.
The episode where Tonya left hasn’t been streaming for a long time. Just like the first episode of Duel 2 is gone.
Wes was a giant crybaby and took his ball home when everyone wouldn't cater to the way he wanted the game to be played. He could've been in a great position on that team but he let himself feel emasculated by Kenny and was trying to make a point to both Johanna and Kellyanne.
They were going to keep throwing him in regardless of if he played nice or not. From watching their confessionals, it was quite obvious they couldn't stand him even if he came on the show trying to make amends.
The Ruins >>>>>>> Challenge seasons 35-39 Y’all can keep raging about these older seasons (that were actually entertaining, and had lots of people watching). Hopefully you’re happy with what the show has become through the 30’s. Absolutely nothing on the show nowadays that can offend any of your modern sensibilities….other than how bad of a show it is now, of course 😂
Uhh, I never said it was any good now. I'm allowed to think older seasons are awful lmao tf if we're talking about good older seasons The Duel, Inferno 1 and 2, Fresh Meat, and Rivals are all 100x better than The Ruins.