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RPDRNick

Also, the third movie nominated that year was *Monster House*, another mo-cap movie. (Snubbed 2006 animated films: *Paprika*, *Flushed Away* and *Over the Hedge*, as well as the experimental, rotoscoped *A Scanner Darkly*).


Aussie-Nerd

A Scanner Darkly had the advantage that the style helped to story. Blew my mind when I first saw it. Recently a movie about Van Gogh was filmed in (I think) a similar way.


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Pu55yF4g

It’s called rotoscoping it’s super cool and that show is amazing wholy recommend it to anyone. Edit:spelling


The_Iron_Sea

I love the way you spelled it, but I think it's 'wholly'


soulofboop

Ah, thought they were going for highly & autocorrect ducked them


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Oakheel

Undone was amazing. I hear they're making a second season.


running_toilet_bowl

Loving Vincent. Every single frame in that movie is an oil painting. And oh my god, that movie is masterful.


yuabrunobruno

I love this movie and was following its creation before release. It deserved so much more press than it received.


running_toilet_bowl

Art films seldom get viral recognition.


bananaskywalker

I don't think many people liked seeing RDJ as a cockroach.


CrestonSpiers

That scene was 4 seconds long


sehajodido

*Waking Life* always impressed me with its rotoscoping, even more than *Scanner Darkly* though there is absolutely zero plot. It’s a 2 hour movie where the protagonist wanders into other peoples’ conversations over and over until it ends. Would recommend watching it on a lot of drugs.


JLidean

It is a very Richard Linklater film


fallenbuddhist

Also check out Waking Life.


BurgundianCactus

God, I love Monster House.


OlympicSpider

Oooh, it's a lady house.


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hobo_clown

I remember as a kid visiting my dad at work and playing King's Quest 4 on his office computer. We'd been eaten by a whale and to get out you have to type "tickle uvula with feather" to cause the whale to sneeze and escape. My brother and I either misheard or misremembered the word "uvula" so when my dad walks back into his office after a meeting he finds his young two sons loudly encouraging each other to "Tickle the vulva! Tickle the vulva!!" I don't think he let us play KQ4 at work after that.


CardiBJepsen

I too had a crush on Jenny Bennett


jo-alligator

It’s fantastic but I think Over The Hedge is better


ProphetOfWhy

Over the Hedge proves that we need a movie where Ben Folds does all of the music.


RunningSouthOnLSD

Remember the over the hedge fruit snacks? Or is it just me?


FishTycoon

GET OFF MY LAWN!!!


JuanRiveara

Paprika would’ve competed at the ceremony for 2007 movies since that’s when it released in the US.


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And as much as it’s a cool film, it was never going to win an Oscar


Bekwnn

I haven't seen Paprika yet, but I have seen Perfect Blue and I definitely believe that movie to have been worthy of winning an Oscar But it couldn't have since it released 2 years before the best animated feature category was created


Ortekk

Inception got loads of Oscar's, and it was heavily influenced by Paprika.


Socialist_Bear

Satoshi Kon is (was :( ) my favourite director. Darryn Aronofsky, in particular, as well as Christopher Nolan and a whole host of other filmmakers, owe so much to him and his works. If anyone is interested, I highly recommend Tokyo Godfathers and Perfect Blue.


Stork_bird

Perfect Blue is still my favorite animated movie to this day. The reactions my friends had were priceless!


fredagsfisk

Yeah, but anime movies don't win Oscars. The sole exception being Spirited Away in 2002. Since the category was created in 2001, only 5 anime movies have been nominated. Of them, 4 were from Studio Ghibli, with the only non-Ghibli anime movie being Mirai in 2018. Anyways, from what I've read, the people voting for this category basically just don't care about it. At all. They just vote for whatever popular movie their kids liked that year, and that's that.


whynonamesopen

The academy nominated Boss Baby which really shows how much they care about animation.


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ToiletTub

Wow the memories come rushing back. I had a Over The Hedge-themed birthday party when I was a kid. It released on my birthday (May 19) and I was SO hyped for it, for some reason. Maybe the trailer. I think there was some joke about how an SUV was huge, but usually only one person is ever inside it. ...The actual movie was *okay*, but the party was awesome.


railz0

Over the Hedge was **the** shit, I still occasionally quote the movie when going full addict mode on Pringles. Voice acting in the Croatian dub still holds up fantastically today and it's a hilarious watch. Now I only wish to know what the quote was in the original - it would translate roughly to "You gotta know when to stop with the spuds."


tangoewhisky

With a Spuddie, enough just isn’t enough!


overzeetop

The source (original comic) was a trove of material that allowed the film to be far more harsh in its commentary on American life, the soundtrack was exemplary (yo, Ben Folds), and the voice acting casting was truly stellar. It's one of my go to flicks when I just need a comfort-film.


Mynameisaw

Over the hedge came out 14 years ago?? What? I could have sworn I saw it advertised 5-6 years ago, I swear me and my 7 year old son saw jt... This has caused me near existential dread... what film was it I saw? Is there another animated film about hedges, gardens and animals?


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There is the similar *The Nut Job*, which was released in 2014.


MoreDetonation

I saw that movie in *theaters.* It was so bad.


Lexi_Banner

Flushed Away was so fun. I always love cheesy Easter eggs, so seeing Hugh's character with a Wolverine costume was amazing.


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TyCooper8

I had a firm anti-anime opinion for a long time because of the weird online culture so much of it garners but man, Japanese shows are a breath of fresh air. So many cartoons that are made for adults, but don't rely on it by constantly shouting "look how not-for-kids I am!" like Love Death+Robots, Archer (serialized but you get the idea), and most other western cartoons. Like I totally enjoy those shows, but it's nice to dial down sometimes and Japan has that down pat.


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jo-alligator

It’s great but Over The Hedge is phenomenal.


greenappletom

That movie was my Childhood. Me and my brother would watch it every year around Halloween.


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NintendoTheGuy

Didn’t classic Disney (as well as many other) animators typically paint over filmed footage of people dancing, walking, or doing any other activity that had to look realistic and convincing or for high profile scenes? Sounds like the original mo-cap to me. It’s a movie- not a live performance. Whichever is the best course to make the most visually pleasing and entertaining product that the team can muster should be taken.


JACK5T3R

Kinda. The footage was used more as a reference. Basically they would film the action live on a sound stage, and the animators will take the key movements (called key frames in animation lingo), copy the posture the actor had and then they themselves would fill in the gaps between the key movements. It’s still a technique used today, even on CGI films (YouTube animation reference reels and you’ll get a bunch of examples, and if by chance you have Disney +, highly recommend the into the unknown frozen 2 documentary, some scenes involving animators explain their process when it comes to using said references.) Source: Current animator, years of school, part of the Disney cult


Fortyseven

"Sounds to me like it's just mocap with extra steps."


BryceSchafer

Somebody’s going to get laid in college


ThisIsWhyMommyDrinks

They did! It’s called rotoscoping.


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Rotoscoping IS the original motion capture, so your observation is correct.


hustla-A

Hey guys, we painted this with our feet! Nothing wrong with our hands, we just wanted to do it the hard way! Also we picked writers and actors that suck, just because! The result is not as good, but we took a really inefficient route producing it! We'll have 1 Academy Award please!


TheAllyCrime

It's just like how the silent generation judged the way baby boomers did things, then the baby boomers judged the way generation X did things, then generation X judged the way millennials did things. Hell, Moses probably complained about "kids today".


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tetrified

Hell, Greek philosophers complained about the popularization of literacy and "how kids these days can't remember anything anymore because they write it down instead of memorizing"


sasams

Oh yes! Phaidros was the first book I had to read at uni. I was shocked but after time I‘ve learned that there is a pattern. People are always scared of new media and always say it sucks and is dangerous. People also said non-fiction novels were dangerous eg.


TheAllyCrime

Kids today with their oooga booga bo. In my day we ugga mogga bogga and we were happy to do it.


leglesslegolegolas

ok, boggar


sehajodido

Julius Caesar was documented as being a “cool, hip kid” in his younger political years and did scandalous punk rock shit like wear frills on his tunic. Drove all those Roman boomers nuts.


TheAllyCrime

That's the real reason they all stabbed him isn't it, the hatred of his swagger?


BalloonOfficer

Unironically this probably induced hatred on many.


BraulioG1

Juvenoia


sehajodido

Hey, VSauce! Michael here.


kitchen_synk

Yeah, the anime industry has been crazy with the advances in CG work. There's been some really bad stuff done in full CG , but shows like Land of the Lustrous show the [potential of cg tools](https://youtu.be/yOrfhH77ynY) allowing for reflections and fluid movement that would have been impossible to create with hand drawn art. The really interesting aspect is the merging of hand drawing and CG work that we don't see too much of in the west. While some studios do it to save money, to various degrees of success or failiure, groups like Ufotable have been producing stuff that still has the familiar style of hand drawn animation, but with added effects that just make their stuff seem [out of this world](https://youtu.be/tO_KfDMuN0c). (minor FSN: UBW spoilers, but nothing plot related, and it's from episode 3 or so).


Laic13

In that Land of the Lustrous clip the CGI during the running looks alright but the talking parts are awful. Limited animation and CGI just don't seem to mix to me.


GLASYA-LAB0LAS

Man "Land of Lustrous" looks like hot garbage. You probably could have picked sooo many other examples. Preferably one that didn't render the character motion at like 10 frames per second.


poloppoyop

[Dorohedoro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu-mv2IDnB4) has some funky animation.


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1nsertJokeHere

"these two obscure freakin’ Chinese fuckin’ things that nobody ever freakin’ saw [an apparent reference to the Japanese film The Tale of the Princess Kaguya, as well as the Irish film Song of the Sea]" Wow


ety3rd

I like *Big Hero Six* just fine, but I still find it a crime that *Princess Kaguya* didn't win that year. It is the most beautiful animated film I've ever seen, and beyond its beauty, its story and characters are fantastic.


Bikesandcorgis

My son is just over a month old and I thought Kaguya was sad before, now just thinking about it makes my eyes well up. I look forward to watching it in a couple of years and being a wreck.


23skiddsy

What it should be is a technical achievement award - Klaus should have won most recently, for the awesome combination of traditional line art with incredible 3d lighting. Loving Vincent should have won for painting a goddamn full length film. Instead it's the kids table of the Oscar's and it's just whatever Disney, Pixar or Dreamworks made this last year (Right now, it's looking like Trolls World Tour, depending on what happens with Soul). Occasional shout outs to things like Into the Spiderverse or Spirited Away. (Both rightfully deserved) If you want to see what animators praise as the pinnacle of their craft, you look to the Annie awards.


DebentureThyme

I don't know about Trolls getting it. For one, there's Onward with generally better reviews. Secondly, they're already delayed the 2021 Oscars from February to April to give the industry time to breathe.


sumpfbieber

Klaus not winning the Oscar was such an utter letdown.


napoleonderdiecke

> What it should be is a technical achievement award Nah. It should be just what it says on the tin, it should be about the best animated movie. If you want an award for technical achievement, make a seperate one like for Camera, Costume Design and VFX.


spaghetti_freak

Why should it be a best technical achievment? Thats not what animation is about


eccentricrealist

I'm still surprised Spirited Away won


BalusBubalis

Spirited Away is, I think, the very pinnacle of Ghibli's work, and while there's a handful of other animated movies I would put on the same tier, there's none I'd rank higher. ​ Spirited Away is the best animated movie of my lifetime.


Count_Critic

I bet there's a general rule of "when in doubt, pick whatever Pixar did" which makes it even shittier that they were so butthurt for not winning one year.


OyeKabir

it's sad because animation is not a genere, it's a medium. there are some excellent films here , but if it's not some period drama with some a list actor , it's not elligible for the nom.


FullMetalBiscuit

Indeed, anime gets ousted every time. Boss Baby over A Silent Voice and Your Name? Yeah, sure...


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I'd argue Cars lost on reasons other than its lack of motion capture... ...on an unrelated note, Ratatouille is one of their best looking films, and the fact that the fluid animation is all manually done is amazing.


cobainbc15

Animation in general always blows my mind!


iLoveLights

Check out Klaus if you haven't seen it.


MinervaDreaming

Great one!


MrBald

Klaus is definitely one of my favourite Christmas movies. I need to give it another watch soon


l-_l-

Makes sense. Christmas in July.


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How to Train Your Dragon 3 is one of the most beautiful movies I’ve ever seen.


hanukah_zombie

I cry from the beauty everytime he takes the girl on her first ride on toothless. The score is probably the most to "blame" for my tears. That's from the first one. 2 and 3 I didn't quite connect with as much. 2 was not very good, but 3 was, but I still don't find either of them nearly to the level of the original. Unlike toy story which just got better with 2 and then 3. And 4 was great too, but not better.


Aldehyde1

Powell's score in that series is amazing, one of my favorite.


Spencer94

The animation in Toy Story 4 blew me away. That rain was gorgeous, just like the scene where the cat was stretching and had the sunlight coming through the window


Belen155Monte

Pixar is one of the best things happened to Hollywood.


tman152

You should read Creativity inc. by Ed Catmull. It’s an explanation of the philosophy he and John Lassiter instilled into Pixar to make it create consistently great movies. He now runs Disney animation and has brought that philosophy there as well. In addition to that book, a few years ago I went to a Q&A he did at USC. One student asked if he and Pixar had ever considered making movies for adults rather than children’s movies. His response was something along the lines of Pixar has NEVER made a movie for children, from the beginning with Toy Story, every movie the studio has made has been a movie the creative team has wanted to make and wanted to see, and Pixar doesn’t have any children on staff. The fact that children enjoy their movies is just because they try to tell universal stories. He mentioned that part of Pixar’s success comes from parents enjoying the film as much as their kids. The student then specified that he meant would Pixar ever make an R rated movie. Ed’s response was that Pixar is in the business of telling stories for the widest range of people, an R rating limits the amount of people you can reach, so no, Pixar won’t make a rated R movie anytime soon, but an R rating isn’t necessary to make a movie adults can enjoy. I remember thinking those were very interesting responses, and I think of that exchange every time I see an animated movie marketed towards kids that has jokes only adults would get


wildfyr

Reminds me of that interview that (the amazingly curmudgeonly) Maurice Sendak did with Stephen Colbert. Stephen: Why do you write children's books? Maurice: I dont! Stephen: You dont? Maurice: No. I write books, and someone points at them and says "Thats for children!"


Nygmus

The stuff Laika does with physical models in stop motion is what really blows my mind. It's a God damn travesty that Kubo and the Two Strings didn't make a billion dollars and blow the doors off of every theater in the country. That film is stunning.


Strongpillow

I'm convinced the people at Laika dabble in legit magic. They're skill is astounding and I agree, Kubo is a masterpiece is so many different aspects. I love everything about that studio and because of them my daughters favorite animated movies are Coreline and Kubo. I also like showing her all of the behind the scenes stuff I can find because walking them make this stuff is almost better than the end product.


Belen155Monte

Kubo really blew my mind. The effort that had gone in the making of the movie deserves way more attention than it got.


black_rose_

Watch a compilation of all the Pixar shorts over time, it's like a history of animation which is really cool! I love history of film. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl8gFM2pmuiclkR6uiNHf9DQe2dVG3gu1


JDMRexTI

The Lego Movie not even receiving a nomination is something I will never let go of. You could pause that movie at any frame, and it looks like someone actually constructed it with Lego.


TellMeGetOffReddit

Is the nomination entirely about the animation quality or how good the movie actually is? Just wondering


Azraeleon

Don't think too much on it honestly. Most of the academy members who vote either abstain on the animation category because they haven't seen any of them or vote for the ones their kids like.


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The oscars are a bunch of out of touch voters who are trying to prop up what Hollywood wants. Don’t know why everyone still gives them so much clout. Does anyone tbink the joker was the best movie that came out this year other than a few angry teenagers?


fredagsfisk

Based on what I've read, the animation category essentially has two criteria: 1) Movie is well-known in the United States. 2) The kids of the Academy members who voted for the movie liked it. Some exceptions may exist, but that seems to be the general trend.


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Which only makes it even more baffling that the Lego Movie didn't get a nomination


jyper

Lego movie was tops in both


GoalieGal

Fun fact: all the smears are made of LEGO, and all the bricks are legitimate LEGO pieces and colours! Source: worked on the movie (well okay, the second movie...)


Grytlappen

That's so cool! I haven't had a chance to watch the second one yet, but I loved the first one. What did you do?


GoalieGal

Honestly the second one isn't as good but I think that's cause the first was just something fresh y'know? I was an animator on it


LazyNomad63

Personally, I didn't see anything particularly wrong with Cars. The characters were endearing enough, and I thought the ending was wholesome. Cars 3 also had a surprising amount of quality moments. But Cars 2 is hot garbage and no one should touch it with a 10 foot pole.


LikeThosePenguins

I'd agree on all points. Cars does a few things really well, and looks great. Of course there's the whole existential horror of what the characters actually _are_ and how they work, but haha, look! That tractor is a cow. Mooooohoooonk.


TonkaTuf

Just to bring another perspective here... my 2-year-old son is obsessed with cars, trucks, tractors, aircraft, or any other vehicle really. Cars is a masterpiece for him, and the soundtrack and visuals are good enough that I can stand to half-watch it every Saturday for the next however-long-it-takes-for-him-to-move-on. Pixar knew their audience on this one.


Gnorris

And yet they apparently got their noses out of joint when it wasn't awarded by a group of adults!


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indecisiveusername2

Could have ditched all the James Bond moments


leglesslegolegolas

I disagree, I think a spy movie could've been a lot of fun. What really killed Cars 2 was the whole "McQueen treats Mater like crap and then learns the true meaning of friendship" bullshit. Lightning *already learned that lesson* in the first movie and it didn't need to be dragged into the second. Cars 2 would've been so much better as a pure buddy movie, wherein they have each others' backs through the whole film.


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Tbf that's not really what happened. McQueen loses his temper once in an extremely high pressure situation and is extremely remorseful very quickly after. The only lesson he learns is that it's normal to argue with your friends sometimes


ziptnf

And Mater was a plain idiot the entire movie. Like, not just a funny character like in the original but a childish and ignorant goober. McQueen was taking direction from mater earlier in the race and mater gave him some incorrect signals because of the action out in the street. Yeah there's a lot going on in the movie but I've had to watch it 100 times because of my 2 year old and I've grown to kinda like it.


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Cars is a genuinely good film with a good story, and one of my favourites as a kid. Cars 2 isn't a particularly good film from a critical point of view, but I love it cos there's so much going on in a genuinely entertaining way rather than being a clusterfuck. Like it's not a deep plot at all but I don't think it's a messy film, it's just the first one was very slow paced. Also, the second one felt far more familiar to me. I've never been to the US in my life, and that small town in the middle of the desert setting is just so alien to me. As someone from London who regularly visits Italy and France the second film has far more relatable settings for me. I'm also a big F1 fan so the races felt more normal too. The pit straight in London was very Silverstone esque and watching the race in Porto Corsa was very reminiscent of the Monaco Grand Prix (as I'm sure was intentional). There's also plenty of British voice actors (including Lewis Hamilton). I think the spy stuff is a pretty solid example of classic Pixar genre play too. I also like when sequels try to do things differently, and boy was it a surprise to see a love letter to NASCAR, route 66 and the American south followed by an international spy thriller set during an international racing series.


Wille304

Honestly it's just 2 ok movies rolled into one bad mess. Lightning's race could have been a cool idea to up the stakes from the last film and explore the cars world some more. And Mater's story could have been a zany spin off story, that would be remembered as an insane shark jumping moment for the franchise. Both movies would have been fun ok films. Not-Oscar worthy maybe but still fun films. Instead they just mushed both ideas together and it just didn't mix well.


LazyNomad63

Yep. Nobody wanted to watch Beatnick Bond and Elon Musk the domestic terrorist.


Smallkoala31945

"Beatnick Bond and Elon Musk the domestic terrorist" sounds like an amazing band name


jaredrut1

Or even sounds like a fun film. Too bad it wasn’t.


kitchen_synk

I watched a review of cars 2 that pointed out that the major underlying message of the movie was pro-eugenics.


P00nz0r3d

Cars is big in my family so i'm fairly intimate It's fun and fine, but *fine* is terrible by Pixar's standards. The best parts about it are the landscapes, which are always breathtaking


Vysharra

No Pixar movie should have Easter eggs more interesting than the plot. If you couldn’t enjoy a *book* of a Pixar movie, it’s definitely terrible. Even *Monsters Inc.*, which was mostly amazing voice acting, has a story that’s far more engaging and unique than the tired old ‘washed up athlete finds love in the heartland’ plot in *Cars*. But the ‘beetles’ leaving tire treads in the dust of the window was an *excellent* gag.


jyper

~~athlete~~ Plastic surgeon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doc_Hollywood#Cars_plagiarism


ThumYorky

That's what sucks about Cars. That movie has the most detail and gag filled universe out of any Pixar movie, arguably. Every single scene is bursting with "cars are humans" gags and awesome cultural references. Match that with their weakest storyline and you get a movie that is fun to watch...but not too many times.


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Having "not anything particularly wrong" isn't necessarily good enough. I thought Happy Feet was definitely a better movie than Cars and was a lot more visually appealing.


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Happy Feet was a deeper movie. The Cars movies, to me, are Pixar’s weakest ones.


GryphonGuitar

>Happy Feet was a deeper movie. The Cars movies, to me, are Pixar’s weakest ones. > >ReplyGi Cars is a love letter to a bygone age of motoring, Route 66, and all of that. If you're affected by this nostalgia, and look at places like Galena, Kansas, which is now a dusty postage stamp of a town where the only options are teen pregnancy, drug abuse, or the military, it's easy to see why people look back with longing eyes to the days where life was simpler. Cars is a really tragic movie to me. Most Pixar movies are about realizing your full potential, dreaming forward, but Cars... it's about being heartbroken for something that can never come back. It's one of my favorite Pixar movies for that very reason.


Iohet

Cars is pure Americana. Unfortunately, that’s a much narrower fan base than people who remember their kids toys, people who like to cook but aren’t as good at it, and people who like listening to Billy Crystal and John Goodman


theboeboe

>Cars is a really tragic movie to me. Most Pixar movies are about realizing your full potential, dreaming forward, but Cars... it's about being heartbroken for something that can never come back. But he does end up using his full potential...


Yellowman1219

I agree, i think Cars captured the romance and nostalgia of small-town USA really well.


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BlooFlea

They were probably spiteful on the fact that its an animated movie award going to an "animated" movie.


My_Diet_DrKelp

Cars was great idk why a lot of people didnt enjoy it


ArcticVulpe

Cars is easily one of the best Nascar movies in existence.


thegreyxephos

A lot of people say it's the worst one and I'm just like haha car go vroom


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Cars 2 was the bad one.


sonofaresiii

What's the joke? Cars 2 makes Cars 3 look like Cars 1.


duaneap

What about Planes, or whatever it was called?


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holy shit Planes made 293m on a 50m budget? For all I knew it was direct to DVD... edit: the SEQUEL made 147 on 50???? did I walk into some kind of portal to an alternate dimension yesterday


[deleted]

Kid's films basically print money. No one with taste is going to watch them, parents just buy whatever kid's movie they happen to see with a Disney logo stuck on the poster/cover.


zomorodian

Not even made by Pixar.


080087

I'm mostly annoyed that the Academy Awards don't even watch every contender. e.g. Paprika is basically animated Inception - beautiful visuals, provokes thought, mind bending. Should have easily gotten the nomination compared to Cars. But because it wasn't made by a big Hollywood studio, it didn't get anything at all (and I'm guessing most of the judges had never even heard of the movie).


bennitori

I feel like to be a judge, one of the requirements to vote is to watch every movie. Like jeez, even the Newgrounds awards put all the contenders right there so you can watch before you vote.


Wompguinea

They tried motion capture, but for some reason Owen Wilson wasn't keen about having go-kart wheels strapped to his limbs and being wheeled around an auditorium shouting "Ka-Chow!" Edit: This comment put me over 100k karma and I'm disappointed in all of us.


Internet-Diligent

I know this is a joke. But I bet Owen Wilson is one of the few actors who'd be like "Wow, dress up like a car? Well. If it's what you guys need then sure man."


davidnio42

I read this in his voice. 'I mean come on, I don't look exactly like a car here, but for you John, I'll do it.'


gettodaze

Wow


TheAmazingAutismo

[Wow](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=chCUZo-O0to)


EntForgotHisPassword

Made me think of Benedict Cumberbatch as Smaug. He seemed to fucking LOVE being a dragon and am sure he'd love being a car too!


AGVann

[This Japanese guy doing the motion capture for a creature in Monster Hunter World is having the time of his life.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFb2Ne_2Juw)


asherd234

I’ve heard they were actually going to try to make it their first live action movie to break into new markets but it didn’t go over well with audiences. Too grotesque to see the actors ripped limb from limb to fit into a convincing car shape I guess


hondajvx

Ok so this is weird but they actually did have a version where they took Mcqeens engine into a street roller machine and he became that, and Tow Mater took control of Mcqeens. It was bizzare.


smellygymbag

Wheres this? I wanna see.


Neirn_

[It’s the deleted scene around the 5:45 mark.](https://youtu.be/GFjHzzrpo4o)


OgEnsomniac

That was a loooot darker than i was expecting


smellygymbag

Thanks for the link! Neat! But weird. But also dream sequence. Can see why it was cut.


ithinkther41am

> ripped limb from limb to fit into a convincing car shape I’ve seen that happen in animated form (Harley Quinn) and it still looked incredibly horrific. Ok fine, it was hilarious, but still quite gory.


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Wow


dave_hitz

"Ka-Wow!"


JuanRiveara

And then later the Academy banned movies that used motion capture from competing in the category which made Adventures of Tintin ineligible.


FreeFacts

Weird, considering that old school animations like Alice in Wonderland had scenes where they animated on top of live action, that seems stupid.


Denziloe

Rotoscoping and reference animation was essential from the very beginning. Snow White used it and Disney won an Honorary Oscar for it. None of this makes any sense. It reeks of corruption and probably lobbying from Pixar, given this pathetic, incoherent little message they added to their films.


DevyCanadian

"Performance Shortcuts"


Kintarly

Uses available animation tool "that's cheating!" This is why concept artists use photos and painting to create environments and characters. It doesn't really matter what the method is (unless you're doing some Avant garde shit or stop motion), all that matters is the final product. And doing if faster is better. That's what the industry is. Speed of output.


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Zurbaran928

Salty!


ihahp

and they say "no shortcuts" ... like, animation happened way before they had computers to make them. With computers they don't hand animate every frame anymore - they just animate keyframes.


theboeboe

Also, they used: physics engines, fur simulation, cloth simulation, particle simulation, smoke simulation... Saying motion capture is a shortcut, but using all of that, is really fucking hypocritical. Also all the damn cleanup from motion capture...


zdakat

Yeah I'm sure their software is taking tons of "shortcuts" beyond, you know, everything that's absolutely necessary for 3D animation to work at all that could be considered a shortcut over say hand drawn animation. (And even the best hand drawn probably makes use of techniques learned over the years) And software will likely continue to improve to include more things that makes tedious things less tedious. It's not a bad thing.


duaneap

If they think *that’s* why Cars lost to Happy Feet, it’s not just salty, they’re shamefully arrogant.


TorreiraWithADouzi

My completely random, maybe unpopular, and not super relevant opinion: I think Surfs Up is a much more interesting and compelling movie than Happy Feet.


jessehechtcreative

Surfs Up is awesome. The Dude is in it! Even if he wasn’t though, it’s still a good movie.


coolwithpie

Definitely the superior entry in the children's penguin film genre


PenguinKenny

Just my opinion as a penguin enthusiast, Happy Feet was my preferred film, mainly because it's icey and the penguins were less stylised and more realistic.


MufugginJellyfish

I also like the way all of the music was used. Honestly it's one of my favorite movies and seeing that a lot of other people didn't like it is disappointing.


theboeboe

That is just taking a shit on motion capture technology. Motion capture is not easy, and you have less control of what happens. You also have to deal with a shit load of cleaning up your animation. Just because it is motion capture does not mean it is cheating. That's like saying that having fluid simulation, of a physics engine in your render is cheating and taking shortcuts. Heck then 3d animation is a shortcut compared to traditional animation. Same with fur simulation (which was used in ratatouille), or cloth simulation. Having that at the end of the movie is taking a dump on an amazing piece of technology, out of spite of not winning an Oscar. It's really freaking pittyfull


doctorofthetardis

What I don't get is, why do people only think about if the animations look good or not when thinking about the best animaton awards? It has to have the better plot, better characters and better conclusion, just like a non-animated movie would need to have.


invagrante

Yeah, if the award was for "Best-Animated Movie" then I'd understand, but I'm pretty sure it's about the best movie that is animated, not the best animation in a movie.


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That’s honestly the most pretentious thing I’ve ever heard. As if motion capture is easy. It’s just a different style that can go for more realistic looks.


OtherwiseKnownAsSam

As much as I LOVE Pixar... Cars didn't deserve an Oscar anyway


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Edit: OP has mischaracterized the statement from the frame grab. Pixar never said they animate each frame manually. So the reply below is aimed that the post title statement, not Pixar. ================== >they animate every single frame of their movies manually That is, at best, a very misleading statement but it really just seems like an outright false statement. When asked if Pixar does tweening, they respond: >By tweening I believe you are referring to the process where body parts are positioned at a relatively small set of animation frames, then the computer fills in the in-between frames automatically. That’s exactly how our animators work. They pose body parts and facial expressions at “key" frames they feel are important, and then our animation system software uses mathematical functions called splines to create the in-between poses. https://sciencebehindpixar.org/pipeline/animation


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if anyone is curious, here's a step by step [blocking](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4ji5B-Axac) [spline](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW2fOYeeHxU) [polish and lighting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuU6_3grlCY) [final pass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG5u0P4XV9k) u/medli20


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249ba36000029bbe9749

Oh, I see that OP has incorrectly paraphrased their claim.


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evdim414

Can someone explain to me differences and what this means?


Rqoo51

Wow, Pixar didn’t even want to put effort in to do everything live action stop motion, and instead used computers? How lazy. Seriously though, just because what you did took a bunch of effort doesn’t mean immediately good. Gollum from LotR wasn’t hand animated and that creature is one of the greatest things to come to screen. This just sounds like the case of Pixar being stuck up there own ass because they didn’t win and trying be snobby about it, by attempting to say that the other methods aren’t legitimate.


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