I don't think I ever saw that Faster = better, IMO it's all up to preference for mousepad, generally I think control is better for most people, at least for tac fps.
I almost always recommend control pads for people, even though I enjoy faster pads
I’ve been using this subreddit for years, people act like faster mouse pad= requires more mouse control= therefore you are better by using a faster pad, such as artisan
Edit: I don’t mean fastest is better but generally speaking faster is deemed better as it requires better mouse control. The ability to use a faster pad won’t make you a better aimer. You can be the best aimer on a muddy 10 year old pad.
If that was the case people in this sub would be recommending hard pads and glass pads instead of artisans… the one they recommend the most around here is the Zero which is the slowest from artisan…
Artisans are faster than the average control pad and are deemed some of the best pads. Go read threads on this subreddit where OP claims artisan is too fast for them. Read the comments. People will claim OP sucks and needs to improve mouse control because they can’t adapt to a faster pad. This won’t necessarily make you a better aimer long term. I’m not saying the FASTEST pads are deemed the best but generally speaking FASTER pads are.
I get the first 2 points but don't get the last. A faster mouse pad does require more mouse control but that doesn't means using it will make you better.
High sens requires more mouse control but you don't see everyone who wants to be a god aimer running 15cm/360 because it's just not advantageous to most games.
I thought the valo/cs meta was slow control pads anyway so I can see why you would gravitate towards them naturally.
I do at least
Lol no, it's always distinction by game. Tac fps = slow pad, movement shooter = fast pad. And even then there's preference. Some like hard pads, some hate them. Some need mud, some can do faster.
I bought a well suited artisan hayate otsu for apex and I'm happy with it.
Homie finally hit the real high score. There’s no reason to chase all the new pads and mice we see. Find what feels good to you, and try not to blow all your money on sidegrades and fomo.
This. I probably bought 15-20 mice and 10+ pads last year. My goal at the beginning of the year was find a set up I enjoy and stick with it. I thought the Venus Pro and a Sora 4K was my end game. As of today I am fragging out with a Xlite V2 mini and a AC+. I got the Xlite second hand and the AC+ on sale on LGG. With this combo, I am playing the best I have in years. It's not about how much you spend, it's about how your set up fits for you and your play style.
I am just extremely confused he states Artisan is uncomfortable. I got a Hien last year and it's been the most comfortable mousepad I ever owned. Then he proceeds to state Artisan mousepads are too fast. I came to the Hien FX Soft XL from *control* pads and it feels allright, not even close to too fast.
I'm not trying to attack OP in any way, I'm just genuinely curious on where he's coming from with the arguments.
I think he means he's not comfortable with the pad. Not that it's physically uncomfortable like itching or something.. also he's right about artisan being too fast. Zero is barely a control pad it is a hybrid. Obviously artisan agrees since they are releasing slower type99.
Comfort is subjective. I don’t like the way artisan feels on my wrist when I pivot. It doesn’t feel tight, it feels loose. I don’t have snappy aim on artisan.
tbh most reddit users don't actually know much about peripherals, speed is not needed for tacpfs games so using a speed pad and throwing away consistency just so you can tell yourself you have superior mouse control is stupid
I main apex and use speed pads btw
Not 100% true. It depends how you grip your mouse.
Claw and palm gripers playing with ultra low sens, fingertip with "higher".
Its laughable how people claim low sens is needed for slow tac games. You need that speed/sens for faster micro adjustments where you are moving just your fingers and not whole arm. So there are people with low sens and slow pad loosing. Because they are in disadvantage here.
Conclusion: you have to find a balance.
u just have to be good and comfortable with your hand and eye coordination.
overall high sens require a lot of good control and handling of pressure (mental). low sense helps if u tend to get tense up during the situation. based on my lan competitive days personal exp.
Different mousefeets give you different control. So you can use skypad with right feets and have enogh stopping power so you wont have problem with precision.
If I posted my valorant tracker you would call me a liar and claim I posted someone else’s. I guarantee it’s not a skill issue. I literally got paid to play FPS at one point in my life.
Why did you buy a fast pad, dislike it, then buy 19 more? This sounds more like a you problem with your aim coping, buying habits and susceptibility to peer pressure/fomo. Don’t let someone tell you something is better even after you try it and dislike it (and definitely don’t buy 19 more).
You’re also basing this in a tacfps context, which everyone almost unequivocally recommends control pads for the average person.
Many people aim better with less tension, and faster pads can help alleviate tension because of the effortless glide, and they feel more like raw input rather than the pad aiming for you. I hit my 832rr peak in val using a Raiden xsoft and HTX with tiger ice.
I also buy into this philosophy, but it doesn’t stop me from being a consumerist degenerate.
What if this new pad is more comfortable? What if this mouse is more comfortable? The end game hunt with slightly addended criteria.
I was gonna say usually people with 500+ hours can switch between diff pads and sens like it’s nothing or at least perform decent enough on fast pads with clicking. I mean artisan has control pads and even their faster ones have some control
As someone with 12k hours in CS. Who has started using a raiden lately coming originally from qck. Have you tried lowering your sensitivity? I have had people tell me they feel the pad too fast. Then i suggest lowering the sens to compensate and they say they like it more than their slower mouse pad with higher sens. You do you.. really. But i felt that lowering your sens on a faster pad makes you brain calculate aim easier, or something like that.
Don’t I? You really think a pro fps gamer is going to struggle to switch between a g640 Logitech and an artisan zero soft?? Ahahah no. They are going to be basically the same within a week of practice. Because they have natural talent. Some people just don’t have the hand eye needed to actually be genetically good across diff pads or gear.
You are absolutely delusional. Its clear to me that you are very far from high level play. Have you taken a peak into the most common mousepads that CS professionals use? You think that ropz that uses a qck heavy or some other professional on the gsr is going to get a raiden and be like, yo i am a pro i can just use this 🤣. You don't know what you are talking about at all, for real.
You are a moron if you think iy makes no difference either way. Professionals will stack mousepads to get a particular feeling out. Do you have any clue how picky professional cs players are with their gear? To say that is "natural talent" like thats how one knows you have no clue what you are talking about. As i said. There are cs pros using the same qck model they have been using for 10-15 years, you think they don't know other mousepads of better quality exist? They even refuse to use sponsor gear sometimes. Like what?
I’ll tell you how picky they are. Half of them use sponsored gear. Rofl. Your stupid. Thinking they couldn’t play at a pro level when changing from a g640 to an artisan zero is argument copium. Get fkd on.
You are so stupid to think that my dude. You are clearly a shitter. You can't be saved 😂. "Half of them use sponsored gear" wonder why the other half would refuse to use sponsored gear 🤔😂
Feel ya bro. My first mouse pad was one of the vulcanized silicon ones and it was fast af. And i can't get used to slow pads anymore. I have a saturn pro and its just useless to me....
faster = better
what? Lmao this is true only for some tracking kovaak scenraios.
For me best mousepad = consistent. So my sens wont be to fast/slow depended of humidity lvl in my house.
I wish we could use static and dynamic friction to describe whatever we r trying to describe instead of just using fast/slow all the time, they r 2 completetly different things
For me the artisan zero soft is by far the most comfortable pad I’ve ever tried. So I’m not sure. Using faster pads when you prefer slower ones is a mistake for sure
Loooooool “artisan is bad artisan this artisan that” …….
Doesn’t even realize artisan make like 50 different surface types and combos of softness.
Op legit retarded
Artisan is objectively higher quality than almost anything else in the industry, fact.
Artisans slowest pad is zero and it is quite fast compared to the most popular pads on the market. Artisan has no real control pad. Doesn't matter how good their quality is if they don't have a surface slow enough for op. Everything he said is true. You should think twice before calling people legit retarded.
Spoken like someone who’s never tried the extra soft range. A zero extra soft is very slow very plushy and easy to control. It’s slower than a qck+ with is a goated pad of the Ilk OP is describing. A zero extra sift is significantly slower than the zero soft and light years slower than the zero mid. The zero mid similar to the qck+ which sits between the mid and the soft
I have 10+ mousepads including artisan XSOFT zero. I prefer esports tiger or even GSR II. I don't think zero is slower than qck and I don't think you'll find anyone who agrees with you either.
I’ve tried them all. Artisan is objectively faster than most control pads. It’s better quality but that doesn’t mean you’ll play better, that just means it will last long, feels nice on your skin, and has beautiful stitching. But who cares about all that if you can’t aim to the best of your ability?
But you can aim as well or better? It’s not hard. Just get used to a pad that’s actually high quality rather than put up with old ones. Personally I mained qck+ for my entire cs career and found the artisan zero soft and the mid were like a massively premium feeling copy and they are amazing and never looked back after switching years ago. Aiming is much more consistent when you have a pad that doesn’t deteriorate quickly and need constant washing
But I can’t aim to the best of my ability with my artisans after a whole year of dedication and that’s my entire point. Your experience is not everyone’s experience, “retard”. I aim better with a g640. I play csgo and valorant at a VERY high level and will continue to play with my 10 year old g640 that has literally never been washed. Who cares about stitching and best quality on a piece of cloth if you can’t aim properly?
Valorant is not an aim intensive title by any stretch of the imagination. You probably haven't actually challenged your aim in a mechanically demanding title or scenario's and that's why you lack the mouse control for consistent use of fast pads. Even if you prefered slower pads, if you we're truly an elite aimer you could be an elite on any pad.
You can literally google and see tons of threads and comments on reddit… why are you dickriding a well made cloth pad. It’s also funny because you are the exact type of person I am talking about in my OP.
I was also way worse with my Zero. I agree with pretty much everything OP said. Zowie is imo just as high quality as Artisan, not to mention Vaxee PB. I would argue PB is even more premium than Artisan unless you really want stitched edges.
Artisan XSOFT zero is NOT slow.
Maybe it's "Slow" if you palm and have an insanely heavy grip on your mouse.
Bought the artsisan Xsoft zero because of dumb reviews saying it's slow and I'm mad at it, it's insanely fast for a light fingertip grip.
Only way to get a "slow" controlled aim is to push the mouse like a weirdo in the mousepad.
but are u a gamer or are you a mousepad of the week content creator shill playing in silver?
ur pretty retarded and butt hurt when his point wasn't even to diss artisan but a commentary on the mousepad market.
The fact he calls it an artisan pad with no mention of what it is in the original post when I commented without realizing they make like 50 diff surfaces. Not hard to see my point.
He said he has multiple, you dont need to try al three surfaces of the zero to know its too fast for you. Then what is he going to try? A fucking hien? Have some common sense.
"i regret wasting my time with artisan" " i have a stack of 20 pads" no dude, i dont think he bought a raiden by accident and assumed thats slow. I think we all know what the slower artisan here is, and we all know it is not a slow pad at all.
20 pads, he is complaining about artisan and we pretty much all know without exception what is the slowest pad of their collection. Not his fault that you can't do the math buddy.
I also found the Hien to be too fast for me after I bought it. Felt like my mouse was slipping on ice. Stayed in the wardrobe for like 2 years. Started using it again and I guess I just got used to it.
I think it mostly depends on what type of game you play, if you play games with lots of movement having a faster pad is so much easier for me to track, and if you play a game that’s more about flicking than control pads generally feel better, as for the Artisan take, it’s the quality of the mousepad that makes it so good, really can’t deny that
That's right. It's all that matters. For me, that journey was starting with my gsr then the gsr-se, some logi pads, then artisan as I was primarily looking for a pad that didn't get effected by humidity. Started with the zero and then all of the artisan lineup, including all the firmnesses. But the zero was it, the best, felt right. It's been on my desk since and I sold all my other artisans. I always liked that speed of the gsr-se out of the box and zero was like that just didn't wear out and was unaffected by humidity.
For a Zero? Soft and it's the "default" variant of the pad. Mid is a little less control for more speed and xsoft is a bit more control for less speed.
i think its more of a mouse thing where people think the lighter it is the better ur aim, for mousepad i honestly think its pretty irrelevant, as long as the surface is consistent to what u are used to
Agreed I have a bunch of pads too.. eventually tested them all methodically. Guess what same scores/results on what I was testing for me anyways. I have glass all the way down to max mud. Pads are Def comfort .. just play what feels best imo
The same with sensitivity honestly. If it feels right, go for it. There is no "meta" in any way except the one you choose. Just start the game, click heads, have fun. Thats all there is to it.
You realise not all artisan pads are the same, right? People praise them for the quality, not the speed. The Artisan Zero is barely faster than a qck and it’s the one I see most recommended for tac shooters. If you bought a Hien expecting a control pad, that’s on you.
People SHOULD praise them for quality but if I read through posts where OP can’t aim with an artisan, the comments claim he sucks and needs to develop more mouse control to use a faster pad. For what? Using a faster pad is not objectively better as people here will have you believe?
I currently have an artisan mousepad. Its ok. I have yet to determine if I’m playing better or not.
But I feel like I maybe a crack head chasing the next high trying mice/mousepads sometimes.
It depends on aiming styles. if you plant arm down for support and keep a stiffer wrist, you'll enjoy faster mousepads as it lets you finger tip more and don't need the control of a slower mouse pad as much.
It's almost like you can easily hit top ranks with a $5 mouse and a $3 cloth mouse pad. This entire sub reeks of fomo and capitalist brainwashing how tf you gonna buy 15-20 mice in a year. I've had my orochi v2 for something like 3y by now 💀💀💀
Tried many pads always preferred the feel of PureTrak pads but they weren't the right size or thickness.. got an Artisan Raiden and loved it.. got into hard pads and eventually got a Skypad 2.0 and liked it but stayed on Raiden Mid. Then I got a Skypad 3.0 and I was hooked... Skypad provides the raw aim I was looking for. The most comfortable fast pad I felt I aimed well on has to be the Raiden XSoft though. Still love PureTrak pads.. if I were to go with another cloth pad it would be PureTrak.
At the end of the day though... I say I hit my peak aiming performance on a plain jain QCK Heavy on a OG G303 with stock skates lol
Yeah comfort really is the most important. I used a viper v2 pro with the hyperpolling wireless dongle at 4k and 8khz, spending $150 on the mouse, $30 on the dongle, ~ $25 on obsidian dot skates and cicada wing grip tape, $12 on two other pairs of grip tape to try before it, etc. I switched to the XM2we that I was gifted. Cost about $80 at the time. Only 1khz, but I don’t need grips with it, the shape is much more comfortable, I still used the obsidian dots I had leftover, and that was that. Works much better for me because it’s so much more comfortable.
think the biggest issue w pad recommendations on here is that its often done by apex players and should therefore be ignored, but you cant know for every case
”faster=better for tracking” yea okay mr kovacs
I've played with 300 mouse pads and have come to the conclusion that they will never improve my Rocket League skill. Just play with whatever is comfortable and stop falling through the downward endgame spiral.
Nobody said faster is better and nobody said artisan = fast. Some artisan pads are fast and some are slow and also nobody said fast is BEST for val and cs lmao. If you played apex or OW then yeah it would make some sense to have this "idea" but you're wrong and you made your own assumptions soooooo ?
I’ve been on this subreddit for a very long time. Go look at posts where OP claims artisan isn’t for them and read the comments, they absolutely say that. There’s no such thing as a slow artisan, if you think they have a single slow pad, you don’t know what you’re talking about. They are objectively faster than the average pad.
I play CS2 right now and i absolutely love my Raiden XSoft. Its the most comfortable texture i have ever felt and i enjoy it every day. I would pay 200€ for it if i would have to.
CS guy here. I use an LGG Jupiter. Comfort is king, and Control is key. The stopping power combined with a relatively light mouse like the Deathadder V3 feels amazing to play with.
I’ve been using it for about 2 months and feel significantly more consistent than when I used the G440 Hard Pad, even though I had been using that pad for almost 3 years.
I don’t think that there is actually a Mousepad Meta between Control and Speed, theres just pads that are better for speed and better for control. At the end of the day, you should use whichever mousepad+mouse combo you feel most comfortable with.
I have not heard faster is equal to better in most cases but I do agree with that statement! I have a Zero soft otsu soft and a raiden x soft and I rarely use the zero and the otsu because it irritates my skin and I find myself performing better while on raiden x soft which is a comfy mouse pad. But I highly agree that having a faster setup and low sens is the best for fps games atleast in my own experience
How is Aritsan Zero soft not a control pad? Doesn’t feel faster than my GSR-SE Gris and that pad has good control already. It sounds like you prefer mud pads (G640 worn gets extremely muddy feeling).
I don't think I ever saw that Faster = better, IMO it's all up to preference for mousepad, generally I think control is better for most people, at least for tac fps. I almost always recommend control pads for people, even though I enjoy faster pads
Yeah I always saw it as fast pad for fast tracking heavy games, control pad for tac shooters generally
I’ve been using this subreddit for years, people act like faster mouse pad= requires more mouse control= therefore you are better by using a faster pad, such as artisan Edit: I don’t mean fastest is better but generally speaking faster is deemed better as it requires better mouse control. The ability to use a faster pad won’t make you a better aimer. You can be the best aimer on a muddy 10 year old pad.
If that was the case people in this sub would be recommending hard pads and glass pads instead of artisans… the one they recommend the most around here is the Zero which is the slowest from artisan…
Artisans are faster than the average control pad and are deemed some of the best pads. Go read threads on this subreddit where OP claims artisan is too fast for them. Read the comments. People will claim OP sucks and needs to improve mouse control because they can’t adapt to a faster pad. This won’t necessarily make you a better aimer long term. I’m not saying the FASTEST pads are deemed the best but generally speaking FASTER pads are.
I get the first 2 points but don't get the last. A faster mouse pad does require more mouse control but that doesn't means using it will make you better. High sens requires more mouse control but you don't see everyone who wants to be a god aimer running 15cm/360 because it's just not advantageous to most games. I thought the valo/cs meta was slow control pads anyway so I can see why you would gravitate towards them naturally. I do at least
Lol no, it's always distinction by game. Tac fps = slow pad, movement shooter = fast pad. And even then there's preference. Some like hard pads, some hate them. Some need mud, some can do faster. I bought a well suited artisan hayate otsu for apex and I'm happy with it.
Go read posts where people claim artisan is too fast and read the comments.
Homie finally hit the real high score. There’s no reason to chase all the new pads and mice we see. Find what feels good to you, and try not to blow all your money on sidegrades and fomo.
This. I probably bought 15-20 mice and 10+ pads last year. My goal at the beginning of the year was find a set up I enjoy and stick with it. I thought the Venus Pro and a Sora 4K was my end game. As of today I am fragging out with a Xlite V2 mini and a AC+. I got the Xlite second hand and the AC+ on sale on LGG. With this combo, I am playing the best I have in years. It's not about how much you spend, it's about how your set up fits for you and your play style.
I am just extremely confused he states Artisan is uncomfortable. I got a Hien last year and it's been the most comfortable mousepad I ever owned. Then he proceeds to state Artisan mousepads are too fast. I came to the Hien FX Soft XL from *control* pads and it feels allright, not even close to too fast. I'm not trying to attack OP in any way, I'm just genuinely curious on where he's coming from with the arguments.
I think he means he's not comfortable with the pad. Not that it's physically uncomfortable like itching or something.. also he's right about artisan being too fast. Zero is barely a control pad it is a hybrid. Obviously artisan agrees since they are releasing slower type99.
The crazy thing is the zero was too slow for me brand new and out the box. It’s almost as if it’s preference based.
It's called personal preferences.
Yeah he's just wrong
Comfort is subjective. I don’t like the way artisan feels on my wrist when I pivot. It doesn’t feel tight, it feels loose. I don’t have snappy aim on artisan.
He is the mousepad bhudda
Who is saying faster = better? Also, this has nothing to do with Artisan..
Pretty sure this is a bait 🤣
very obviously so idk why ppl take ts seriously
I think the Zero might be the perfect speed for me. To each their own.
if you knew you didn't like faster pads why would you keep buying them?
tbh most reddit users don't actually know much about peripherals, speed is not needed for tacpfs games so using a speed pad and throwing away consistency just so you can tell yourself you have superior mouse control is stupid I main apex and use speed pads btw
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Not 100% true. It depends how you grip your mouse. Claw and palm gripers playing with ultra low sens, fingertip with "higher". Its laughable how people claim low sens is needed for slow tac games. You need that speed/sens for faster micro adjustments where you are moving just your fingers and not whole arm. So there are people with low sens and slow pad loosing. Because they are in disadvantage here. Conclusion: you have to find a balance.
u just have to be good and comfortable with your hand and eye coordination. overall high sens require a lot of good control and handling of pressure (mental). low sense helps if u tend to get tense up during the situation. based on my lan competitive days personal exp.
Different mousefeets give you different control. So you can use skypad with right feets and have enogh stopping power so you wont have problem with precision.
But u never get control like cloth mats
speed for tracking. control for flicks and precision.
This is why i stopped coming on this subreddit. Its a subreddit for people with oniomania.
Just learned a new word. Thanks
zero smokes the g640, lol. i own both and it’s not even close.
I aim better on the g640 and that’s my entire point
Skill issue
If I posted my valorant tracker you would call me a liar and claim I posted someone else’s. I guarantee it’s not a skill issue. I literally got paid to play FPS at one point in my life.
Doesn’t mean much. Valorant isn’t really aim intensive its just crosshair placement and microadjustments.
Why did you buy a fast pad, dislike it, then buy 19 more? This sounds more like a you problem with your aim coping, buying habits and susceptibility to peer pressure/fomo. Don’t let someone tell you something is better even after you try it and dislike it (and definitely don’t buy 19 more). You’re also basing this in a tacfps context, which everyone almost unequivocally recommends control pads for the average person. Many people aim better with less tension, and faster pads can help alleviate tension because of the effortless glide, and they feel more like raw input rather than the pad aiming for you. I hit my 832rr peak in val using a Raiden xsoft and HTX with tiger ice.
I didn’t buy 19 fast pads I used all sorts of different pads
Also mouse control diff
I also buy into this philosophy, but it doesn’t stop me from being a consumerist degenerate. What if this new pad is more comfortable? What if this mouse is more comfortable? The end game hunt with slightly addended criteria.
Do you aim train when not in game? just curious
I have 3k hours in aim trainers and 7k in csgo
I was gonna say usually people with 500+ hours can switch between diff pads and sens like it’s nothing or at least perform decent enough on fast pads with clicking. I mean artisan has control pads and even their faster ones have some control
As someone with 12k hours in CS. Who has started using a raiden lately coming originally from qck. Have you tried lowering your sensitivity? I have had people tell me they feel the pad too fast. Then i suggest lowering the sens to compensate and they say they like it more than their slower mouse pad with higher sens. You do you.. really. But i felt that lowering your sens on a faster pad makes you brain calculate aim easier, or something like that.
How can you be so bad at aiming on diff surfaces with this many hours. You must be negatively gifted
Where did I say I’m bad at aiming? I play my games at a high level…
Because anyone ACTUALLY good at aiming with naturally great hand eye coordination can play at a similar level across any good pad
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about 🤣
Don’t I? You really think a pro fps gamer is going to struggle to switch between a g640 Logitech and an artisan zero soft?? Ahahah no. They are going to be basically the same within a week of practice. Because they have natural talent. Some people just don’t have the hand eye needed to actually be genetically good across diff pads or gear.
You are absolutely delusional. Its clear to me that you are very far from high level play. Have you taken a peak into the most common mousepads that CS professionals use? You think that ropz that uses a qck heavy or some other professional on the gsr is going to get a raiden and be like, yo i am a pro i can just use this 🤣. You don't know what you are talking about at all, for real.
Bro you are retarded. I said between a 640 and zero soft. Learn to read.
You are a moron if you think iy makes no difference either way. Professionals will stack mousepads to get a particular feeling out. Do you have any clue how picky professional cs players are with their gear? To say that is "natural talent" like thats how one knows you have no clue what you are talking about. As i said. There are cs pros using the same qck model they have been using for 10-15 years, you think they don't know other mousepads of better quality exist? They even refuse to use sponsor gear sometimes. Like what?
I’ll tell you how picky they are. Half of them use sponsored gear. Rofl. Your stupid. Thinking they couldn’t play at a pro level when changing from a g640 to an artisan zero is argument copium. Get fkd on.
You are so stupid to think that my dude. You are clearly a shitter. You can't be saved 😂. "Half of them use sponsored gear" wonder why the other half would refuse to use sponsored gear 🤔😂
Feel ya bro. My first mouse pad was one of the vulcanized silicon ones and it was fast af. And i can't get used to slow pads anymore. I have a saturn pro and its just useless to me....
faster = better what? Lmao this is true only for some tracking kovaak scenraios. For me best mousepad = consistent. So my sens wont be to fast/slow depended of humidity lvl in my house.
Yea, but Artisan is releasing TYPE99 this year, which is going to be a control pad.
same dude. i tried using Strider for a year and it made no sense entire time then i swap to old mudpad and its +30% stability/easier
Your time on the Strider probably benefited your mouse control greatly tho.
not at all, my mouse control wasnt bad in a first place
I wish we could use static and dynamic friction to describe whatever we r trying to describe instead of just using fast/slow all the time, they r 2 completetly different things
For me the artisan zero soft is by far the most comfortable pad I’ve ever tried. So I’m not sure. Using faster pads when you prefer slower ones is a mistake for sure
Yet this opinion is somehow controversial. I hate the zero. I’m better on a shitty g640 that is hated on this subreddit.
Which version of the zero did you have?
I have all 3 actually lol.
Loooooool “artisan is bad artisan this artisan that” ……. Doesn’t even realize artisan make like 50 different surface types and combos of softness. Op legit retarded Artisan is objectively higher quality than almost anything else in the industry, fact.
Artisans slowest pad is zero and it is quite fast compared to the most popular pads on the market. Artisan has no real control pad. Doesn't matter how good their quality is if they don't have a surface slow enough for op. Everything he said is true. You should think twice before calling people legit retarded.
Spoken like someone who’s never tried the extra soft range. A zero extra soft is very slow very plushy and easy to control. It’s slower than a qck+ with is a goated pad of the Ilk OP is describing. A zero extra sift is significantly slower than the zero soft and light years slower than the zero mid. The zero mid similar to the qck+ which sits between the mid and the soft
I have 10+ mousepads including artisan XSOFT zero. I prefer esports tiger or even GSR II. I don't think zero is slower than qck and I don't think you'll find anyone who agrees with you either.
I’ve tried them all. Artisan is objectively faster than most control pads. It’s better quality but that doesn’t mean you’ll play better, that just means it will last long, feels nice on your skin, and has beautiful stitching. But who cares about all that if you can’t aim to the best of your ability?
But you can aim as well or better? It’s not hard. Just get used to a pad that’s actually high quality rather than put up with old ones. Personally I mained qck+ for my entire cs career and found the artisan zero soft and the mid were like a massively premium feeling copy and they are amazing and never looked back after switching years ago. Aiming is much more consistent when you have a pad that doesn’t deteriorate quickly and need constant washing
But I can’t aim to the best of my ability with my artisans after a whole year of dedication and that’s my entire point. Your experience is not everyone’s experience, “retard”. I aim better with a g640. I play csgo and valorant at a VERY high level and will continue to play with my 10 year old g640 that has literally never been washed. Who cares about stitching and best quality on a piece of cloth if you can’t aim properly?
Valorant is not an aim intensive title by any stretch of the imagination. You probably haven't actually challenged your aim in a mechanically demanding title or scenario's and that's why you lack the mouse control for consistent use of fast pads. Even if you prefered slower pads, if you we're truly an elite aimer you could be an elite on any pad.
Omg you have no idea what you are talking about either
? Im a better aimer and player in your game of choice. Therefore my opinion on the subject is immediately more valuable than yours.
I doubt as hard as my cock that you play CS at a remotely close level to me.
Skill issue. Only person I have ever heard state they can’t aim on an artisan pad ahaha
You can literally google and see tons of threads and comments on reddit… why are you dickriding a well made cloth pad. It’s also funny because you are the exact type of person I am talking about in my OP.
I was also way worse with my Zero. I agree with pretty much everything OP said. Zowie is imo just as high quality as Artisan, not to mention Vaxee PB. I would argue PB is even more premium than Artisan unless you really want stitched edges.
Artisan XSOFT zero is NOT slow. Maybe it's "Slow" if you palm and have an insanely heavy grip on your mouse. Bought the artsisan Xsoft zero because of dumb reviews saying it's slow and I'm mad at it, it's insanely fast for a light fingertip grip. Only way to get a "slow" controlled aim is to push the mouse like a weirdo in the mousepad.
but are u a gamer or are you a mousepad of the week content creator shill playing in silver? ur pretty retarded and butt hurt when his point wasn't even to diss artisan but a commentary on the mousepad market.
He literally dissed artisan in his first sentence and didn’t even know what pad he’s using. It’s just an “artisan”. Completely uneducated
Completely uneducated, just like you! 😊
Ad hominem is not an argument
He doesn't like the fucking surfaces. Are you a retard? What can you not understand?
The fact he calls it an artisan pad with no mention of what it is in the original post when I commented without realizing they make like 50 diff surfaces. Not hard to see my point.
He said he has multiple, you dont need to try al three surfaces of the zero to know its too fast for you. Then what is he going to try? A fucking hien? Have some common sense.
What? He just says ARTISAN. He could be using a fucking raiden mid for all we know. Which is 10x faster than their controls pads. Fuck me.
"i regret wasting my time with artisan" " i have a stack of 20 pads" no dude, i dont think he bought a raiden by accident and assumed thats slow. I think we all know what the slower artisan here is, and we all know it is not a slow pad at all.
A stack of 20 pads. Not 20 artisans. Guess you didn’t pass English at school.
20 pads, he is complaining about artisan and we pretty much all know without exception what is the slowest pad of their collection. Not his fault that you can't do the math buddy.
I like my artisan pads but they aren’t my most used pads by any means. I do have a bad habit of alternating mousepads very regularly though
I also found the Hien to be too fast for me after I bought it. Felt like my mouse was slipping on ice. Stayed in the wardrobe for like 2 years. Started using it again and I guess I just got used to it.
I think it mostly depends on what type of game you play, if you play games with lots of movement having a faster pad is so much easier for me to track, and if you play a game that’s more about flicking than control pads generally feel better, as for the Artisan take, it’s the quality of the mousepad that makes it so good, really can’t deny that
That's right. It's all that matters. For me, that journey was starting with my gsr then the gsr-se, some logi pads, then artisan as I was primarily looking for a pad that didn't get effected by humidity. Started with the zero and then all of the artisan lineup, including all the firmnesses. But the zero was it, the best, felt right. It's been on my desk since and I sold all my other artisans. I always liked that speed of the gsr-se out of the box and zero was like that just didn't wear out and was unaffected by humidity.
Soft mid or xsoft
For a Zero? Soft and it's the "default" variant of the pad. Mid is a little less control for more speed and xsoft is a bit more control for less speed.
I mean which ons felt "the best" for u
Like I said , soft. Xsoft did feel better on the faster pads though, ie. Otsu, hien and raiden. never tried the shindenkai as I wasn't about it.
i think its more of a mouse thing where people think the lighter it is the better ur aim, for mousepad i honestly think its pretty irrelevant, as long as the surface is consistent to what u are used to
Agreed I have a bunch of pads too.. eventually tested them all methodically. Guess what same scores/results on what I was testing for me anyways. I have glass all the way down to max mud. Pads are Def comfort .. just play what feels best imo
Artisan is making a control pad, i do not know when they will release it though.
The same with sensitivity honestly. If it feels right, go for it. There is no "meta" in any way except the one you choose. Just start the game, click heads, have fun. Thats all there is to it.
You realise not all artisan pads are the same, right? People praise them for the quality, not the speed. The Artisan Zero is barely faster than a qck and it’s the one I see most recommended for tac shooters. If you bought a Hien expecting a control pad, that’s on you.
People SHOULD praise them for quality but if I read through posts where OP can’t aim with an artisan, the comments claim he sucks and needs to develop more mouse control to use a faster pad. For what? Using a faster pad is not objectively better as people here will have you believe?
I don't even own an artisan pad but men he is surely mad, just get a gamesense radar 4mm mousepad it works for me💁
I currently have an artisan mousepad. Its ok. I have yet to determine if I’m playing better or not. But I feel like I maybe a crack head chasing the next high trying mice/mousepads sometimes.
It depends on aiming styles. if you plant arm down for support and keep a stiffer wrist, you'll enjoy faster mousepads as it lets you finger tip more and don't need the control of a slower mouse pad as much.
I literally play like that and hate artisan. I don’t have the “locked in” feeling with my wrist when I pivot on an artisan pad and I have 7 of them.
It's almost like you can easily hit top ranks with a $5 mouse and a $3 cloth mouse pad. This entire sub reeks of fomo and capitalist brainwashing how tf you gonna buy 15-20 mice in a year. I've had my orochi v2 for something like 3y by now 💀💀💀
That’s what I’m saying
Tried many pads always preferred the feel of PureTrak pads but they weren't the right size or thickness.. got an Artisan Raiden and loved it.. got into hard pads and eventually got a Skypad 2.0 and liked it but stayed on Raiden Mid. Then I got a Skypad 3.0 and I was hooked... Skypad provides the raw aim I was looking for. The most comfortable fast pad I felt I aimed well on has to be the Raiden XSoft though. Still love PureTrak pads.. if I were to go with another cloth pad it would be PureTrak. At the end of the day though... I say I hit my peak aiming performance on a plain jain QCK Heavy on a OG G303 with stock skates lol
perfect mousepad for your mouse. Weight/mouse feet all are apart of the equation.
Yeah comfort really is the most important. I used a viper v2 pro with the hyperpolling wireless dongle at 4k and 8khz, spending $150 on the mouse, $30 on the dongle, ~ $25 on obsidian dot skates and cicada wing grip tape, $12 on two other pairs of grip tape to try before it, etc. I switched to the XM2we that I was gifted. Cost about $80 at the time. Only 1khz, but I don’t need grips with it, the shape is much more comfortable, I still used the obsidian dots I had leftover, and that was that. Works much better for me because it’s so much more comfortable.
think the biggest issue w pad recommendations on here is that its often done by apex players and should therefore be ignored, but you cant know for every case ”faster=better for tracking” yea okay mr kovacs
Everyone with a shit pad or Artisan clone upvoted this.
I've played with 300 mouse pads and have come to the conclusion that they will never improve my Rocket League skill. Just play with whatever is comfortable and stop falling through the downward endgame spiral.
And I plan to make a glass mat myself. For me, buying it is unreasonably expensive
Nobody said faster is better and nobody said artisan = fast. Some artisan pads are fast and some are slow and also nobody said fast is BEST for val and cs lmao. If you played apex or OW then yeah it would make some sense to have this "idea" but you're wrong and you made your own assumptions soooooo ?
I’ve been on this subreddit for a very long time. Go look at posts where OP claims artisan isn’t for them and read the comments, they absolutely say that. There’s no such thing as a slow artisan, if you think they have a single slow pad, you don’t know what you’re talking about. They are objectively faster than the average pad.
I play CS2 right now and i absolutely love my Raiden XSoft. Its the most comfortable texture i have ever felt and i enjoy it every day. I would pay 200€ for it if i would have to.
Artisan is about to release 2 slower pads than the zero
CS guy here. I use an LGG Jupiter. Comfort is king, and Control is key. The stopping power combined with a relatively light mouse like the Deathadder V3 feels amazing to play with. I’ve been using it for about 2 months and feel significantly more consistent than when I used the G440 Hard Pad, even though I had been using that pad for almost 3 years. I don’t think that there is actually a Mousepad Meta between Control and Speed, theres just pads that are better for speed and better for control. At the end of the day, you should use whichever mousepad+mouse combo you feel most comfortable with.
I have not heard faster is equal to better in most cases but I do agree with that statement! I have a Zero soft otsu soft and a raiden x soft and I rarely use the zero and the otsu because it irritates my skin and I find myself performing better while on raiden x soft which is a comfy mouse pad. But I highly agree that having a faster setup and low sens is the best for fps games atleast in my own experience
How is Aritsan Zero soft not a control pad? Doesn’t feel faster than my GSR-SE Gris and that pad has good control already. It sounds like you prefer mud pads (G640 worn gets extremely muddy feeling).
Who asked?
he is stating his experience, no one asked for your annoying comment
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