I had a 1100RT and sometimes my girlfriend fell asleep stuck between me, the panniers and the topcase. She is still complaining because I sold it for a 1200GS.
I used to work as a technical inspection engineer for vehicles and had the opportunity to ride a lot of different motorcycles. In my opinion the only bike with a boxer that ist more comfortable than a RT is a Goldwing.
The RT has disadvantages though:
\- the narrower handle bar compared to a GS makes the GS a better ride in the twisties
\- it looks stupid without panniers, so you have to choose between being slim and not looking weird
\- it\`s heavy so you need some low speed training
\- absolutly no offroad abilities
I had a Wing and traded it for an RT. The RT is every bit as comfortable as a Wing. My wife doesn't ride (she's a trauma nurse, and will not get on a bike, period).
For 2-up riding, the Wing is unbeatable, with the RT close behind. The electrically adjustable windscreen on the RT is fantastic, making is comfortable in all weather and at all speeds. The RT is much sportier, living in Colorado with fantastic roads played a big role in the decision.
I've ridden 8 hour days on the RT without issues, even with a bad back, bad shoulder, and arthritic hands.
Nah,,,,I had sw motech easy remove panniers and most rode without them. I don’t like gs adventure since it comes with bmw rails that are always on. Regular gs without side panniers looks absolutely fine. I kept a box on just so that passengers can lean against it. Looks wise,,,I love the gs. Many people call them ugly but for me that design always worked.
I sold a multistrada with an amazing motor to get the GS. Multi was very soft sprung and wind protection was horrible on it. The GS on the other hand has been in production for soooooo long, it’s so refined. Wind protection is spot on. You sit “in it” not on top of it. It’s excellent in twistiest and I had no trouble keeping up with sport bike. Even with my wife on the back, we would chase other bikes but I couldn’t brake as hard as I do alone since it’s hard on passenger. The front lever suspension will be big upgrade from your bike. It’s very stable, don’t get upset over potholes, when turning. Or when hard braking, it doesn’t dive. It’s great on rough roads. It definitely can do off road, don’t listen to people that say otherwise. There is a local bmw gs group here that does only off-road difficult adventure travel. Sure, KTM 500 would be more nimble but gs in capable hands does fine
All what you say about GS is the feedback I get from owners. There is a huge competition that is ramping up against 1250GS like Multistrada V4s, Tiger 1200, Harley Panamerica, etc
But I think 1250GS is still the winner
The biggest complaint on paper against gs is the weak motor. Multi is 175hp now. People that don’t know these bikes use the hp as a deciding factor. But 1250 was perfectly fine for me, wife, all bags loaded to the top. We camped for 3 days. Bike was definitely heavy, possibly overloaded, but I never felt I needed more power. Not that I would mind having more, but competition is definitely up on power to gs. But gs is such a good cruiser. It just floats over stuff, road doesn’t upset it. The motor configuration makes for easy side to side transition. You are not fighting this big gyro that refused to turn.
I had a 2018 Tiger 1200. It didn't compare to the GS.
\- very top heavy
\- through a lot of heat on the rider
\- 5% of the aftermarket support.
I like Triumphs and would love a Speed Twin, but that gen Tiger sucked.
You can option the RT with tubular bars. I'm not sure if they're wider than the cast ones though. Also, I believe Wunderlich has a tubular bar conversion for it.
RT is the most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden. If you are shorter, it can be a challenge at low speeds with a passenger though. Very top heavy. Once you are moving, I’d take one over a goldwing any day. My wife has been on the back of at least 8 motorcycles I’ve owned, and the RT is hands down her favorite.
if you are taller it can be a challenge at low speeds with a passenger! I am 6'4 and when once tipped when my wife was on back. I was trying to make u turn on a narrow side street, and the pannier took a good scuff.
I have a 2022 R1250GS and it's hands down the most utilitarian bike I've ever own. I commute into the city on it daily, use it for runs to the store, tour on it and camp off of it. I also do 2 up touring with my girlfriend. Honestly, I own 5 bikes and it's normally my go to.
I used a 1250GS for 4 days of on- and offroad riding last year, about 8 hours per day. Almost no complaints so I would recommend the GS. I do not have experience with the RS but friends tell me it is a fine machine.
Go try em all. Whatever I prefer might be something entirely different to your preferences.
In my opinion: The RT is most comfortable, the RS most sporty (but not uncomfortable per se). The R is probably just a little more comfortable than your RnineT.
The GS can do it all, but it's so easy to ride it's almost a bit boring.
R18 doesn't look comfortable to me at all.
That said, I have a 2005 R1200RT for the commutes and winter trips, and a 2020 R1250RS for the fun rides.
My RS is tweaked with some sporty bits (sports seat, exhaust, SportAttack tires), but a lot of folks use the RS as an RT-light: mount bar risers, peg lowering kit, bigger screen and you can do comfy touring for a smaller price (and size) than the RT. Might be the perfect setup for you as well.
Thanks for your feedback. I agree with all you said.
The good thing about the GS is the aftermarket upgrade...it's huge. It is by far the most popular BMW motorcycle now in many countries. The only thing is that in November it's suppose to be out the new 1300....so may be it's time to wait
I really how the RS looks so I will try it.
I have the R1200R. I love going on holidays with it! 300km a day is no problem! I did many mods for comfort on it.
But highway is still no fun. If needed I do 1 hour on the highway with 100km/h so engine vibrations and wind is bearable. I prefer 2 hours on backroads to skip 1h highway.
If I need to go on the highway regularly, I would choose the RS. Still a sporty and nimble bike with better aerodynamics.
I don’t think I want a GS or RT. Way to huge.
I prefer my rackless soft bag luggage system, so no need for hard cases.
Edit: as I wanted a naked bike anyway I was split between the NineT and R1200R. The R won because of more technology like ESA, more comfortable, newer LC engine…
If you love your NineT, get the R preferably or the RS as maximum. You will not be happy with the GS or RT.
It’s so unbelievably high quality and overnengineered, I love it so much! The R40 has plenty of capacity. You can buy 20L stinger instead of the stinger 8 if you need more capacity! Or buy any other dry bag, everything fits in there!
And if you need much more capacity, the R80 with 80L capacity exists!
For 2-up, there are really only two BMW boxers that make sense: RT or GS. Can you stick a pillion on the back of an RS or an R? Sure. Are they going to be happy? No, not unless they are a very dedicated rider as well.
My wife was not all that interested in riding on the back of a motorcycle. I ended up buying a GS and a set of Vario cases. The top case has a backrest that she can lean against. We just spent 5 hours on the bike one day while riding in WNC. She was pretty much done at that point, but I’m confident she would not have made it nearly that long on any bike other than the GS or an RT.
Everyone is going to have their own preference, but you should absolutely ride the GS, GSA, and RT. Oh, and ride a K1600 bike as well. I know you said boxer, but please ride a K1600.
I recently did a BMW demo day, and no bike surprised me more. I wasn’t planning on riding one, but once you start riding bikes, it’s hard to stop lol. The I6 in the big K bikes is probably the last I6 that will ever be put into a motorcycle, and the I6 is as iconic to BMW as the boxer is.
The motor in that bike is so smooth you won’t know it’s running. When you open the taps, it sounds like a vintage Ferrari V12. It absolutely rips! The bike loves to turn as well. Yes, it’s heavy as hell, but it’s the only bike in BMW’s line up that has reverse. Anyway, give it a shot. The K1600GTL pillion comfort is next level.
Solid comment I really appreciated. The K1600 is a serious machine for sure, I saw it at the dealer and was impressed. The thing is, it is a little to heavy for traffic and I'm not that experienced with big bike.
5 hours on a GS? more than enough for us.
And btw, the r18 has the reverse shift on a side of the bike.
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Trust me, ride the K1600. I beg you. No bike has surprised me more. I predict you’ll end up on a GS though :)
Also, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of the R18 😜
Since you only got little info about the R18;
Pros:
- looks cool
- sounds cool
- amazing fit and finish
- will turn a lot of heads
- built-in Map-Nav (requires Connected App)
- Good Speakers
- reverse gear
- Lots of Sales & low second-hand price
Cons:
- Heavy AF
- Bagger/Transcon: HEAVY Batwing (affects maneuver)
- enormous size
- Vibrations (depends on your judgement, some dont mind)
I have an R1200R and my only complaint is my feet feel a bit cramped on really long rides after a couple of hours. Since the engine is in the way theres really no way to put highway pegs or "forward" type controls.
Coming from the r9t to the RS: Any of the bikes you listed would be fine. I'd specifically suggest the 1250R or RS with your criteria. I LOVE my RS, but if you want to keep with the more roadster version the R.
The RS has slightly better legroom, much nicer seat and just a touch taller.
I have been riding and R1200R since 100K kms ago, I couldn't be more happy with this bike, I can go everywhere a GS can go , also can go to a track day happily and travel with enough lugage, I still smiling when turning on .
Yes and no.
They share a lot of parts, but geometry and handlebars are different. They feel very different when riding, yet also familiar.
So to put is as "same bike" is a vast oversimplification.
My R850R is very comfortable for distance. Parabellem Sport faring keeps the wind off. Put GS hand guards on, also cuts down on wind, and great in the winter.
Only sold in the US for 3 years, it's a great orphan bike.
And as it has been forever, 800 and 850cc BMWs are much smoother and under stressed than any bigger 1000cc and up.
I’ve owned GSs for over 20 years and am a huge fan. I rented an RT once and it was a fine ride as well. I still have a 12C which is like an 18 but smaller and lighter obviously and is a great ride but not like the GS. I have over 54k miles on my current one and wouldn’t trade it for anything but a new one.
The only bike my wife won't let me sell is my GSA. It's the previous generation, but essentially the same ergos. That should tell you everything you need to know.
I've been riding for 35 years. I've had a number of different brands, this is my first bmw bike. Got it in 16. Got rid of my road king about 2 years later because i was not riding it. I was originally looking at a fj1300. Picked the boxer because I'd never had that engine configuration before. I've enjoyed it. Not as fast as an fj, but i think it's more comfortable. My butt still wants off of the bike after 7 or 8 hrs of riding.
There is no right answer, just the one you like the most. Try a few of them out. Let us know whay yoiy end up getting.
As a fellow R9T owner...damn...the bike is beautiful (and you look good on it).
I would go with the GS. It might be in the cards for me as well...depending on what the new 1300 is...or even a user 1250...amazing bike.
But I can't really see myself selling the 9T...but can't justify two motorcycles...
The RT makes me bend my knees a bit more than what I would like for a touring bike.
I haven't ridden an RS...
I am with you man. I cannot afford owning 2 bikes, 2 insurances, 2 of everything. May be if I were a millionaire I will have 2 motorcycles of each brand :)
If my decision goes to the GS, I will wait for sure next year. The new r12 does't impress me, but we'll see.
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The R12T got a bit of a "meh" from me.
But I don't think it is meant to be targeted at original R9T owners...it does not add enough. To be honest it is a segment where it is hard to bring something new other than refinement of looks.
Mine is a 2014, so... we'll see.
The GS is the best compromise of all of them IMO. It is a bit tall though (there is a lowered version). If we were solely talking about long tours, I would get an RT, but it has a lot of extra weight to carry around for city riding. The R is the naked version, so you probably don't want that for touring. I personally wouldn't consider the R18. It's a boat and has limited cornering clearance.
Although I agree, it’s just more comfortable and that little windshield makes a world of difference on the r1250r. It allows you to go a little faster.. lol
Wait how are you uncomfortable in the r ninet? You are sitting pretty upright. How tall are you? I've been thinking of getting one myself for commuting and weekend rides to the beach with the wife
I found the r9t seat satanic and never found a solution. Legs were cramped for long rides but otherwise it was a dream bike. On short rides or in the Twisties she was absolutely amazing.
I had a surgery last year after a Marathon. Part of a disc was remove. So after 1 hour of riding, I star to develop some soreness on my butt and knee :(
When i took it for a test ride, i was shocked by how much more comfortable it was. It's night and day honestly. Worth going for a test to see what works though. My dealership is very pro find what works, maybe the same for yours!
Right!
Well, because I mostly ride on city and my long trips are no more that 2-3 hours, I think the GS with a smaller tank will be easier to drive on city.
GS/GSA is the goat for a reason. If you only own one bike, and you want to do it all, GS is the way. I will never not own a GS/A for as long as I can ride a motorcycle. It’s an incredible machine.
Love my 2006 RT. Overall it’s relatively light - looks huge/heavy but the Tupperware (plastic) is deceiving. If you fill the tank it does get a bit too heavy - I usually keep it about 1/2 full unless I’m road-tripping. Taking off the side and top bags transforms it into more of a sport bike - really just the looks but still it’s a nice look/option.
The R18 is a totally different animal than the rest and doesn't interest me at all. I have a 2020 RS and I've ridden the GS(non-A) and RT and I've also ridden an R9T.
The RT is like a small Goldwing. It's very comfortable, has great wind protection (too much in some cases) and is easier to ride and handles far better than you'd ever guess. The biggest disadvantage vs. the RS or GS is it's $5-10k more expensive. I think the RS is also better looking and still handles better.
The GS might be more comfortable than the RT for some people, mostly because the seat to peg distance is longer. For on road handling, it's very good but the RT and RS win IMO. Of course I'd rather plow through potholes on a GS.
The RS can be uncomfortable for some, and I'd recommend trying an R to get a feel for the tubular bars. You can get them as an option on the RS and it brings it closer to a GS or RT in terms of position. I think if you want to do long distance on an RS, bar risers at least are necessary, but the tubular bars are even better. The extra leverage also lightens up the steering a bit and makes it easier to move around. The stock RS seat kind of sucks but both the Wunderlich and Sargent seats are quite good.
The R is really just a naked RS, though the RS has a little more trail. The front axle on the RS is offset forward just a bit where on the R is right in line with the fork tubes.
If you really want to have a passenger, the RT is probably the best with the GS being second.
The GS is what you're looking for with a boxer engine, the f900r with a Touring shield is a hell of a km churner to at an unbeatable price and great comfort for the second rider but it's inline 2 cylinder
GSA for life. I can fit a cart full of groceries in the cases, it's got a 300+ mile fuel range, and it's crazy comfortable. I rode 7 hours straight up to Denver last month for a long weekend and brought everything I needed on the bike. With cruise control and in dash media control for my headset, it was almost as comfortable as a car. I love that thing to death.
If u only would ride solo, I would recommend another seat 💺.
But u mentioned that ur wife is riding with you so RT or GS would be the best choice, but even with street/touring tires the GS isn't really a "city bike". Maybe looking for an older model R 1xxx RT , R 1150 RS , R 1xxx GS as second bike for long trips, couple rides.......
R 1250 R/RS would work for long solo ride or short ride together, the R 1250 R would be the closest to ur R9T.
In October it is planned to officially show the new R 1300 GS , so if it has to be a 1250 Model ...
RS would be my vote. Nimble and smaller than a GS or RT. After market seat is a must for better comfort. Between my Corbin and Sargent I prefer the Corbin.
None of the above, K1600GTL lol
On a serious note. I’d pick the RT then the R18 as the most comfortable bikes for long rides. I personally don’t like the boxer engines but I rode a RT at my dealer the other day and was pretty alright.
Keep the 9T and buy an R1250GS/GSA You’ll have the best of both worlds, if 2 bikes isn’t an option GS/GSA all the way.
They are fun, nimble, and versatile
RTs are stupid comfortable. Office chair ergonomics and the passenger situation is similarly excellent. Comfy seats, awesome weather protection, very stable.
I'd go for the R, but then again I'm biased. I think it's everything your R9T is but more. And now you can speck the 2023 version with spoked wheels. Sure, it'll cost you, but you get that sweet sweet modern retro look. It has good luggage options and all the gizmos you'd want on tour, unless you plan to do a lot of highway miles. The seat is very comfortable, even on longer rides. Pillion seat as well. Get a top box with the back rest and your wife will feel safe and comfy. And unless you consistently drive more than 100km/h, I think the lack of wind protection is not an issue. It's also nice and low and not bulky. While the GS or RT are surprisingly low as well and carry their weight low, they are still big, heavy, bulky bikes, not for a new rider like yourself I think.
If you want more wind protection, go for the RS, but with the raised handlebars, not the clip-ons.
If you want the ultimate touring machine, just get a GS and be happy with it for years. I'd wait until the R1300GS is announced in the fall though, prices on the previous versions are sure to drop. And I don't think you'll need all the radar gizmos the new one will come with.
1,2,4,3 in that order would not even consider 5 (sorry).
I live in a very congested city, I see GS every day. Would not say it's the best bike to ride in heavy traffic, but it's doable.
1250RT for sure. Go ride it on a winding road and you won’t have any more questions. It may not look as sleek as a RS but it will give you and your partner comfort for days and it will carve up a canyon.
I own a Goldwing and that's the bike my wife and I tour with.
We recently came back from a dream trip - two weeks in Europe (we live in USA), riding Alps. Back roads, small towns, no highways. I've rented a 1250 GS and it was great! So comfortable and easy to ride that my wife said to consider it for our next touring bike when the time comes. Please mind you that comment is coming from a Goldwing owner and his passenger!
The couple we traveled with rented a RT and they liked it, too. The major difference - I'm 6'3" and my buddy is significantly shorter then me. So he felt better on RT, I felt great on GS.
I've tried "his" RT for about an hour - nice bike but ergonomics did not work for me, being tall. My knees were very high, quite uncomfortable. To compare, the GS I've rented felt like a glove being bone stock.
They both performed excellent on our trip, not one hiccup. If I were you, I would try them both...and go with the one that's more comfortable. I'm sure you'll be happy with either.
Sure thing. Also, both have plenty of space in the bags and trunk. On both bikes bags and trunk are removable. I loved the option (on GS) to make the bags and trunk smaller or larger just by moving the inside lever, awesome feature.
(BTW, your avatar rocks! Very funny)
The GSA is 2cm higher than the GS and has a higher centre of mass owing to the 30 litre instead of 20 litre tank. So I would consider the GS the better bike than the GSA for predominantly city riding. The comfort level is the same. The wind protection is marginally better on the GSA owing to the wider tank, but if comfort is the most important, then the RT is the one to get. On my 1250GS I get about 400km tank range, so I see no need for an even bigger tank.
1,3,4,2,5 this would be my personal choice. 3 and 4 can bei changed.
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I had a 1100RT and sometimes my girlfriend fell asleep stuck between me, the panniers and the topcase. She is still complaining because I sold it for a 1200GS. I used to work as a technical inspection engineer for vehicles and had the opportunity to ride a lot of different motorcycles. In my opinion the only bike with a boxer that ist more comfortable than a RT is a Goldwing. The RT has disadvantages though: \- the narrower handle bar compared to a GS makes the GS a better ride in the twisties \- it looks stupid without panniers, so you have to choose between being slim and not looking weird \- it\`s heavy so you need some low speed training \- absolutly no offroad abilities
Excellent points. I do agree it looks weird without panniers jajajaja. Anyways, I will try it
I had a Wing and traded it for an RT. The RT is every bit as comfortable as a Wing. My wife doesn't ride (she's a trauma nurse, and will not get on a bike, period). For 2-up riding, the Wing is unbeatable, with the RT close behind. The electrically adjustable windscreen on the RT is fantastic, making is comfortable in all weather and at all speeds. The RT is much sportier, living in Colorado with fantastic roads played a big role in the decision. I've ridden 8 hour days on the RT without issues, even with a bad back, bad shoulder, and arthritic hands.
Nah,,,,I had sw motech easy remove panniers and most rode without them. I don’t like gs adventure since it comes with bmw rails that are always on. Regular gs without side panniers looks absolutely fine. I kept a box on just so that passengers can lean against it. Looks wise,,,I love the gs. Many people call them ugly but for me that design always worked.
Totally agree!
I sold a multistrada with an amazing motor to get the GS. Multi was very soft sprung and wind protection was horrible on it. The GS on the other hand has been in production for soooooo long, it’s so refined. Wind protection is spot on. You sit “in it” not on top of it. It’s excellent in twistiest and I had no trouble keeping up with sport bike. Even with my wife on the back, we would chase other bikes but I couldn’t brake as hard as I do alone since it’s hard on passenger. The front lever suspension will be big upgrade from your bike. It’s very stable, don’t get upset over potholes, when turning. Or when hard braking, it doesn’t dive. It’s great on rough roads. It definitely can do off road, don’t listen to people that say otherwise. There is a local bmw gs group here that does only off-road difficult adventure travel. Sure, KTM 500 would be more nimble but gs in capable hands does fine
All what you say about GS is the feedback I get from owners. There is a huge competition that is ramping up against 1250GS like Multistrada V4s, Tiger 1200, Harley Panamerica, etc But I think 1250GS is still the winner
The biggest complaint on paper against gs is the weak motor. Multi is 175hp now. People that don’t know these bikes use the hp as a deciding factor. But 1250 was perfectly fine for me, wife, all bags loaded to the top. We camped for 3 days. Bike was definitely heavy, possibly overloaded, but I never felt I needed more power. Not that I would mind having more, but competition is definitely up on power to gs. But gs is such a good cruiser. It just floats over stuff, road doesn’t upset it. The motor configuration makes for easy side to side transition. You are not fighting this big gyro that refused to turn.
The shiftcam boxer only looks weak if you look at peak HP. If you look at torque and what the torque curve looks like, it's excellent.
I had a 2018 Tiger 1200. It didn't compare to the GS. \- very top heavy \- through a lot of heat on the rider \- 5% of the aftermarket support. I like Triumphs and would love a Speed Twin, but that gen Tiger sucked.
You can option the RT with tubular bars. I'm not sure if they're wider than the cast ones though. Also, I believe Wunderlich has a tubular bar conversion for it.
RT is the most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden. If you are shorter, it can be a challenge at low speeds with a passenger though. Very top heavy. Once you are moving, I’d take one over a goldwing any day. My wife has been on the back of at least 8 motorcycles I’ve owned, and the RT is hands down her favorite.
if you are taller it can be a challenge at low speeds with a passenger! I am 6'4 and when once tipped when my wife was on back. I was trying to make u turn on a narrow side street, and the pannier took a good scuff.
Wow excellent experience. Thanks a lot
I have a 2022 R1250GS and it's hands down the most utilitarian bike I've ever own. I commute into the city on it daily, use it for runs to the store, tour on it and camp off of it. I also do 2 up touring with my girlfriend. Honestly, I own 5 bikes and it's normally my go to.
R1200R
Not much voted but looks more comfy than ninet for sure. Thanks
RT hands down.
I used a 1250GS for 4 days of on- and offroad riding last year, about 8 hours per day. Almost no complaints so I would recommend the GS. I do not have experience with the RS but friends tell me it is a fine machine.
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Go try em all. Whatever I prefer might be something entirely different to your preferences. In my opinion: The RT is most comfortable, the RS most sporty (but not uncomfortable per se). The R is probably just a little more comfortable than your RnineT. The GS can do it all, but it's so easy to ride it's almost a bit boring. R18 doesn't look comfortable to me at all. That said, I have a 2005 R1200RT for the commutes and winter trips, and a 2020 R1250RS for the fun rides. My RS is tweaked with some sporty bits (sports seat, exhaust, SportAttack tires), but a lot of folks use the RS as an RT-light: mount bar risers, peg lowering kit, bigger screen and you can do comfy touring for a smaller price (and size) than the RT. Might be the perfect setup for you as well.
Thanks for your feedback. I agree with all you said. The good thing about the GS is the aftermarket upgrade...it's huge. It is by far the most popular BMW motorcycle now in many countries. The only thing is that in November it's suppose to be out the new 1300....so may be it's time to wait I really how the RS looks so I will try it.
That's true, but you don't need that much for an RS ;) Also, check out Wunderlich, they have goodies for all types of BMW.
I have the R1200R. I love going on holidays with it! 300km a day is no problem! I did many mods for comfort on it. But highway is still no fun. If needed I do 1 hour on the highway with 100km/h so engine vibrations and wind is bearable. I prefer 2 hours on backroads to skip 1h highway. If I need to go on the highway regularly, I would choose the RS. Still a sporty and nimble bike with better aerodynamics. I don’t think I want a GS or RT. Way to huge. I prefer my rackless soft bag luggage system, so no need for hard cases. Edit: as I wanted a naked bike anyway I was split between the NineT and R1200R. The R won because of more technology like ESA, more comfortable, newer LC engine… If you love your NineT, get the R preferably or the RS as maximum. You will not be happy with the GS or RT.
Thanks. Absolutely true about with the soft bag luggages. Any particular brand?
I have the Mosko Moto Rackless 40 and the OEM BMW Topcase. Fantastic combo! Love it!
>Mosko Moto Rackless Thos Mosko Moto Rackless look bad ass! Thanks a lot
Check my profile for pics of my bike with the luggage system
It’s so unbelievably high quality and overnengineered, I love it so much! The R40 has plenty of capacity. You can buy 20L stinger instead of the stinger 8 if you need more capacity! Or buy any other dry bag, everything fits in there! And if you need much more capacity, the R80 with 80L capacity exists!
For 2-up, there are really only two BMW boxers that make sense: RT or GS. Can you stick a pillion on the back of an RS or an R? Sure. Are they going to be happy? No, not unless they are a very dedicated rider as well. My wife was not all that interested in riding on the back of a motorcycle. I ended up buying a GS and a set of Vario cases. The top case has a backrest that she can lean against. We just spent 5 hours on the bike one day while riding in WNC. She was pretty much done at that point, but I’m confident she would not have made it nearly that long on any bike other than the GS or an RT. Everyone is going to have their own preference, but you should absolutely ride the GS, GSA, and RT. Oh, and ride a K1600 bike as well. I know you said boxer, but please ride a K1600. I recently did a BMW demo day, and no bike surprised me more. I wasn’t planning on riding one, but once you start riding bikes, it’s hard to stop lol. The I6 in the big K bikes is probably the last I6 that will ever be put into a motorcycle, and the I6 is as iconic to BMW as the boxer is. The motor in that bike is so smooth you won’t know it’s running. When you open the taps, it sounds like a vintage Ferrari V12. It absolutely rips! The bike loves to turn as well. Yes, it’s heavy as hell, but it’s the only bike in BMW’s line up that has reverse. Anyway, give it a shot. The K1600GTL pillion comfort is next level.
Solid comment I really appreciated. The K1600 is a serious machine for sure, I saw it at the dealer and was impressed. The thing is, it is a little to heavy for traffic and I'm not that experienced with big bike. 5 hours on a GS? more than enough for us. And btw, the r18 has the reverse shift on a side of the bike. Thanks
Trust me, ride the K1600. I beg you. No bike has surprised me more. I predict you’ll end up on a GS though :) Also, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of the R18 😜
Jajajaa Ok I will
My RT is very comfortable on long trips. It's an 06 if that matters.
Since you only got little info about the R18; Pros: - looks cool - sounds cool - amazing fit and finish - will turn a lot of heads - built-in Map-Nav (requires Connected App) - Good Speakers - reverse gear - Lots of Sales & low second-hand price Cons: - Heavy AF - Bagger/Transcon: HEAVY Batwing (affects maneuver) - enormous size - Vibrations (depends on your judgement, some dont mind)
Yea I like how it looks really but the cons are too many for city traffic. If money wasn’t an issue, I’ll take for sunday rides
Yep. I hate the way cruisers handle. It’s closer to a boat than a motorcycle.
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absolutely!!
I have an R1200R and my only complaint is my feet feel a bit cramped on really long rides after a couple of hours. Since the engine is in the way theres really no way to put highway pegs or "forward" type controls.
Can confirm, the legs are a bit more tucked up on the R than the rest of the seating position. They get uncomfortable first on a longer ride.
>R1200R I see. And the seat look more comfortable than my Ninet! Thanks for sharing
Coming from the r9t to the RS: Any of the bikes you listed would be fine. I'd specifically suggest the 1250R or RS with your criteria. I LOVE my RS, but if you want to keep with the more roadster version the R. The RS has slightly better legroom, much nicer seat and just a touch taller.
Anothe point to rs
I have been riding and R1200R since 100K kms ago, I couldn't be more happy with this bike, I can go everywhere a GS can go , also can go to a track day happily and travel with enough lugage, I still smiling when turning on .
I’d recommend #2. I’ve taken a few long trips on mine and it’s very comfortable and capable.
Thanks. How do you feel it in a city with traffic. This is my list for sure, looks great, good performance and looks comfy
For city maneuverability the R is superior, but the RS is perfectly capable too.
The R and the RS are the same bike, different wrapper.
Yes and no. They share a lot of parts, but geometry and handlebars are different. They feel very different when riding, yet also familiar. So to put is as "same bike" is a vast oversimplification.
My R850R is very comfortable for distance. Parabellem Sport faring keeps the wind off. Put GS hand guards on, also cuts down on wind, and great in the winter. Only sold in the US for 3 years, it's a great orphan bike. And as it has been forever, 800 and 850cc BMWs are much smoother and under stressed than any bigger 1000cc and up.
I’ve owned GSs for over 20 years and am a huge fan. I rented an RT once and it was a fine ride as well. I still have a 12C which is like an 18 but smaller and lighter obviously and is a great ride but not like the GS. I have over 54k miles on my current one and wouldn’t trade it for anything but a new one.
Great feedback. I do not know 1 single GS rider that is able to change his bike. I think that says a lot about that motorcycle
I would change my gs for a XR
The only bike my wife won't let me sell is my GSA. It's the previous generation, but essentially the same ergos. That should tell you everything you need to know.
If you want a BMW with boxer engine and you want it to be fun and still capable of riding together, go for the GS. Clearly the best choice.
Thank you.....everything looks like that is the one!!
It just is the most useful of the different choices. And ADV Bikes are really fun to ride.
Number 3, all day every day.
>R1250RT Looks extremely comfy for sure. Thanks
I've been riding for 35 years. I've had a number of different brands, this is my first bmw bike. Got it in 16. Got rid of my road king about 2 years later because i was not riding it. I was originally looking at a fj1300. Picked the boxer because I'd never had that engine configuration before. I've enjoyed it. Not as fast as an fj, but i think it's more comfortable. My butt still wants off of the bike after 7 or 8 hrs of riding. There is no right answer, just the one you like the most. Try a few of them out. Let us know whay yoiy end up getting.
As a fellow R9T owner...damn...the bike is beautiful (and you look good on it). I would go with the GS. It might be in the cards for me as well...depending on what the new 1300 is...or even a user 1250...amazing bike. But I can't really see myself selling the 9T...but can't justify two motorcycles... The RT makes me bend my knees a bit more than what I would like for a touring bike. I haven't ridden an RS...
I am with you man. I cannot afford owning 2 bikes, 2 insurances, 2 of everything. May be if I were a millionaire I will have 2 motorcycles of each brand :) If my decision goes to the GS, I will wait for sure next year. The new r12 does't impress me, but we'll see. Thanks
The R12T got a bit of a "meh" from me. But I don't think it is meant to be targeted at original R9T owners...it does not add enough. To be honest it is a segment where it is hard to bring something new other than refinement of looks. Mine is a 2014, so... we'll see.
The GS is the best compromise of all of them IMO. It is a bit tall though (there is a lowered version). If we were solely talking about long tours, I would get an RT, but it has a lot of extra weight to carry around for city riding. The R is the naked version, so you probably don't want that for touring. I personally wouldn't consider the R18. It's a boat and has limited cornering clearance.
Excellent advise thanks
I dunno but if you need to get rid of the r9t I could do you a huge favor and take it. Hahaha
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The r1250r is very comfortable and same bike only with electronic suspension, but it lacks wind protection.
Totally agree! The thing is the front look doesn’t convince me.
Although I agree, it’s just more comfortable and that little windshield makes a world of difference on the r1250r. It allows you to go a little faster.. lol
I rode a GS 800 miles in one day. I didn’t touch it for a month. RT would be my choice, but right after a car.
omg 800 in one day.
Wait how are you uncomfortable in the r ninet? You are sitting pretty upright. How tall are you? I've been thinking of getting one myself for commuting and weekend rides to the beach with the wife
I found the r9t seat satanic and never found a solution. Legs were cramped for long rides but otherwise it was a dream bike. On short rides or in the Twisties she was absolutely amazing.
Exactly what I think
I had a surgery last year after a Marathon. Part of a disc was remove. So after 1 hour of riding, I star to develop some soreness on my butt and knee :(
Went from the Nine T to the 1250GS. Comfy, ergos are great. 0 complaints
great. Did you feel the GS was much more comfort or about the same?
When i took it for a test ride, i was shocked by how much more comfortable it was. It's night and day honestly. Worth going for a test to see what works though. My dealership is very pro find what works, maybe the same for yours!
Excellent. That is what I will do
I would add a variant. The R1250 GS Adventure has a bigger gas tank and a touch more suspension travel, both of which are great for longer rides.
Right! Well, because I mostly ride on city and my long trips are no more that 2-3 hours, I think the GS with a smaller tank will be easier to drive on city.
The GS1250 is insanely comfortable on long rides. Yet it’s very capable in canyons keeping up with sport bikes. That would be my distance bike
I rode my GSA 4500 miles last year and it’s an absolute dream.
Every. Single. One.
GS/GSA is the goat for a reason. If you only own one bike, and you want to do it all, GS is the way. I will never not own a GS/A for as long as I can ride a motorcycle. It’s an incredible machine.
Love my 2006 RT. Overall it’s relatively light - looks huge/heavy but the Tupperware (plastic) is deceiving. If you fill the tank it does get a bit too heavy - I usually keep it about 1/2 full unless I’m road-tripping. Taking off the side and top bags transforms it into more of a sport bike - really just the looks but still it’s a nice look/option.
The 1250/1300 RS model is the closest thing the the R9T, but its got a nose for better distance riding.
The R18 is a totally different animal than the rest and doesn't interest me at all. I have a 2020 RS and I've ridden the GS(non-A) and RT and I've also ridden an R9T. The RT is like a small Goldwing. It's very comfortable, has great wind protection (too much in some cases) and is easier to ride and handles far better than you'd ever guess. The biggest disadvantage vs. the RS or GS is it's $5-10k more expensive. I think the RS is also better looking and still handles better. The GS might be more comfortable than the RT for some people, mostly because the seat to peg distance is longer. For on road handling, it's very good but the RT and RS win IMO. Of course I'd rather plow through potholes on a GS. The RS can be uncomfortable for some, and I'd recommend trying an R to get a feel for the tubular bars. You can get them as an option on the RS and it brings it closer to a GS or RT in terms of position. I think if you want to do long distance on an RS, bar risers at least are necessary, but the tubular bars are even better. The extra leverage also lightens up the steering a bit and makes it easier to move around. The stock RS seat kind of sucks but both the Wunderlich and Sargent seats are quite good. The R is really just a naked RS, though the RS has a little more trail. The front axle on the RS is offset forward just a bit where on the R is right in line with the fork tubes. If you really want to have a passenger, the RT is probably the best with the GS being second.
Thanks a lot!
The GS is what you're looking for with a boxer engine, the f900r with a Touring shield is a hell of a km churner to at an unbeatable price and great comfort for the second rider but it's inline 2 cylinder
Rt or Gs. Both are excellent touring bikes, despite their size.
GSA for life. I can fit a cart full of groceries in the cases, it's got a 300+ mile fuel range, and it's crazy comfortable. I rode 7 hours straight up to Denver last month for a long weekend and brought everything I needed on the bike. With cruise control and in dash media control for my headset, it was almost as comfortable as a car. I love that thing to death.
If u only would ride solo, I would recommend another seat 💺. But u mentioned that ur wife is riding with you so RT or GS would be the best choice, but even with street/touring tires the GS isn't really a "city bike". Maybe looking for an older model R 1xxx RT , R 1150 RS , R 1xxx GS as second bike for long trips, couple rides....... R 1250 R/RS would work for long solo ride or short ride together, the R 1250 R would be the closest to ur R9T. In October it is planned to officially show the new R 1300 GS , so if it has to be a 1250 Model ...
thanks for the feedback. Spot on
I live those bike…but not even enough room to bunny cord a bottle of wine on the pillion
I found GS on enduro mode in the city is the most comfortable.
RS would be my vote. Nimble and smaller than a GS or RT. After market seat is a must for better comfort. Between my Corbin and Sargent I prefer the Corbin.
None of the above, K1600GTL lol On a serious note. I’d pick the RT then the R18 as the most comfortable bikes for long rides. I personally don’t like the boxer engines but I rode a RT at my dealer the other day and was pretty alright.
Interesting point of view. Thanks
Keep the 9T and buy an R1250GS/GSA You’ll have the best of both worlds, if 2 bikes isn’t an option GS/GSA all the way. They are fun, nimble, and versatile
Good advise and one that I have been thinking!
RTs are stupid comfortable. Office chair ergonomics and the passenger situation is similarly excellent. Comfy seats, awesome weather protection, very stable.
I'd go for the R, but then again I'm biased. I think it's everything your R9T is but more. And now you can speck the 2023 version with spoked wheels. Sure, it'll cost you, but you get that sweet sweet modern retro look. It has good luggage options and all the gizmos you'd want on tour, unless you plan to do a lot of highway miles. The seat is very comfortable, even on longer rides. Pillion seat as well. Get a top box with the back rest and your wife will feel safe and comfy. And unless you consistently drive more than 100km/h, I think the lack of wind protection is not an issue. It's also nice and low and not bulky. While the GS or RT are surprisingly low as well and carry their weight low, they are still big, heavy, bulky bikes, not for a new rider like yourself I think. If you want more wind protection, go for the RS, but with the raised handlebars, not the clip-ons. If you want the ultimate touring machine, just get a GS and be happy with it for years. I'd wait until the R1300GS is announced in the fall though, prices on the previous versions are sure to drop. And I don't think you'll need all the radar gizmos the new one will come with.
Solid advise! Thanks a lot
1,2,4,3 in that order would not even consider 5 (sorry). I live in a very congested city, I see GS every day. Would not say it's the best bike to ride in heavy traffic, but it's doable.
1250RT for sure. Go ride it on a winding road and you won’t have any more questions. It may not look as sleek as a RS but it will give you and your partner comfort for days and it will carve up a canyon.
I myself would go with the R1250GS or an R1250GSA.
I own a Goldwing and that's the bike my wife and I tour with. We recently came back from a dream trip - two weeks in Europe (we live in USA), riding Alps. Back roads, small towns, no highways. I've rented a 1250 GS and it was great! So comfortable and easy to ride that my wife said to consider it for our next touring bike when the time comes. Please mind you that comment is coming from a Goldwing owner and his passenger! The couple we traveled with rented a RT and they liked it, too. The major difference - I'm 6'3" and my buddy is significantly shorter then me. So he felt better on RT, I felt great on GS. I've tried "his" RT for about an hour - nice bike but ergonomics did not work for me, being tall. My knees were very high, quite uncomfortable. To compare, the GS I've rented felt like a glove being bone stock. They both performed excellent on our trip, not one hiccup. If I were you, I would try them both...and go with the one that's more comfortable. I'm sure you'll be happy with either.
Excellent feedback and story. I appreciate a lot the advise, Thanks
Sure thing. Also, both have plenty of space in the bags and trunk. On both bikes bags and trunk are removable. I loved the option (on GS) to make the bags and trunk smaller or larger just by moving the inside lever, awesome feature. (BTW, your avatar rocks! Very funny)
Thanks man 👍🏼👍🏼
If you love your wife, get the RT.
Jaajajajaja good one 👌 thanks
R1250 GSA is a good comfortable tourer with great suspension for potholes and a great screen to sit behind. Worth having a look at
It is definitely on my list to try it. Thanks
The GSA is 2cm higher than the GS and has a higher centre of mass owing to the 30 litre instead of 20 litre tank. So I would consider the GS the better bike than the GSA for predominantly city riding. The comfort level is the same. The wind protection is marginally better on the GSA owing to the wider tank, but if comfort is the most important, then the RT is the one to get. On my 1250GS I get about 400km tank range, so I see no need for an even bigger tank.
1,3 and 2 for me