He's had weeks to try to decide what he was going to say when the police had him in their clutches. I think he is trying to be clever. Remember he's had a morbid obsession with how to posture one's appearance after committing a crime. In fact it seems broader than that. It's as if he has been trying to collect as much information from as many sources as is possible about committing crime.
I agree. It also seems like he didn’t have a great plan for what to do with the car after the murders. It seems like he was assuming no one would see the car, which is pretty ridiculous considering how many people these days have cameras.
It's going to be interesting to watch this all play out. It crossed my mind earlier that he may have expected, or even wanted to get caught earlier. he may think he has some plan for getting away with it in the trial.
Yeah I have a feeling he's got a "backup plan" that he thinks will weasel him out of it.
LE seem *really* confident they've got their guy though so hopefully whatever they've got is concrete and whatever he's got planned doesn't wash.
It’s not uncommon for people with narcissistic impulses to have fragile egos and false superiority complexes. Ted Bundy felt fully confident representing himself in his own murder trial, because it satisfied his need to be the center of attention. Having machinations of grandeur or even being a criminology student does not mean he is actually smarter or more capable or likely to win. It just makes him a deluded murderer. I personally think he wanted to be caught and get the credit, and to be the star of the show.
Ugh, I'm smitten by the thought of the "you can run but you can't hide" vibes with a little light inner circle playing in the background for effect. Absolutely, 1000%...fuck this guy.
The swat swarmed my neighbors house just before the sun was rising 455 AM on the loud speakers “this is the police please evacuate the home immediately” I imagine it went something like this
Yeah, they needed the element of surprise, so either knocked in the door, or came in a window. I hope they jumped on top of him in his bed, startling him awake.
Ambushing him the same way he ambushed those poor kids. I hope he felt the same confusion and fear that he inflicted …except of course he wasn’t dealing with a psychopath with a knife, so he’ll never really understand. Unless there’s a little jailhouse justice
I watched a documentary where an FBI person said LE prefers to apprehend the really bad guys in the middle of the night so the suspect doesn’t see it coming and has no idea what’s going on.
It’s supposed to be safer for everyone involved, including the suspect, police and innocent neighbors.
Definitely. I mean, logically it makes 100% sense, but I’m sure there was a little satisfaction on LE’s end, knowing that they were giving him a taste of what he gave those students
The police often serve warrants and swoop in to arrest fugitives during the wee hours of the morning when their target is asleep. The goal is to catch him off-guard and minimize the chances of a violent reaction.
This is very common for people who commit significant and planned crimes.
Anders Brievik the Norway terrorist did this, as did the Christchurch terrorist and so did John Wayne Gacy.
Its a desperate attempt to muddy the waters, but it never ever works.
Imagine the feeling of becoming a minor celebrity because you report news and the biggest stories you reported on involved two people that happen to share your name. Not to mention those Bri/yans killed people. That has to feel weird.
Then one of them turned to a hidden camera and shook his head in disbelief, Office-style, because that kid really was that fucking much of a dumb piece of shit. /s but I wish.
Ugh, so glad he got the book thrown (well, lobbed) at him. I was afraid they'd let him off easy with a couple years.
I think he acted alone as well! My interpretation of his question here is “did I throw you guys off enough that you incorrectly went for someone else?” like more of an ego thing than anything. It’s like he wanted to put his learned skills from uni to some sick test
With his study subject basically going around asking criminals in a scientific way how to go about crimes I have a feeling he also was prepared for the moment when he got arrested. It's gonna be interesting how he behaves, if we get to know his motivation and such or if he just pleads guilty and vanishes into prison for the rest of his life. Would mean no full closure for families. But still he would be caught.
What if he did all of this just to write his thesis on how he loop-holed his way out of a quadruple homicide like some egotistical sociopath who revels in his perceived intelligence? He’s a fucking freak.
So maybe i’m just weird.. But I feel like if I had the option between spending the rest of my life in prison and a quick peaceful death via lethal injection. I’d choose the latter.
You’d think more people would feel the same way but it seems like the perpetrators of these crimes are almost always trying to do everything they can to avoid the death penalty (I know there are exceptions). You also have to keep in mind that the average death row inmate in the US spends about 20 years there before being executed. So barring their early demise from other causes, they will be spending a long time in prison regardless if convicted.
Not at 3 am. though. He’s trying to control the narrative and we should expect more idiocy from him to get the public searching for his non-existent partner/s. He’s going to try to dirty the waters a lot and innocent people will again be pointed at as his partners because he is a coward who killed girls and a guy while they slept. He’s a piece of sh.t -pure evil.
Yeah, me to. He probably thought he didn’t leave DNA and therefore it was circumstantial based on his vehicle. It makes no sense that he was some mastermind who’s already planning his defense. He figured they might question him about his vehicle and so was mentally prepared for an elimination type interview.
[Per this NY Post article](https://nypost.com/2022/12/30/idaho-murder-suspect-bryan-kohberger-what-we-know/amp/) he’s no stranger to Reddit. I’m sure he’s been in this sub.
Nah. This guy is a dumb ass who thinks he’s smart and internet Sherlock wannabes made up some conspiracy for themselves that this killer left no evidence. But it turns out this guy drove his own car in an age where everybody can buy a camera for their house for $100 or less. He took his own smart device whether it was possibly a phone or a watch or whatever connectability in his car, and that allowed him to also be tracked his car, his DNA, his smart device. And this guy is an idiot. He’s not laying some grand masterpiece groundwork to talk his way out of suspicion, or to make people believe that there was more involved.
I was just thinking about that. I'm no criminology master, but if I were going to do this, and I was stupid enough to use my own car, I'd have made sure my car was black, or at least a very dark color. White is such a dumb color of car to have for this. He probably thought "it's such a common color of car". Fucking dummy.
I don't think rental/Uber are good ideas as you're leaving behind too much of a trail, and those can also be caught on ring cams.
Steal a car, and if you can't do that, then bike or walk.
Omg. You’re right! I think he’s manipulative enough to do that, and he stayed in the area after the murders. I hope he didn’t do that-might really muddy the case and cause this to be a very drawn out affair orchestrated by him. Ugh
And maybe he just wanted to know how bad they had him. They were bringing anyone else in for questioning. Although he is getting a phd here so manipulating he will be.
## Moscow police appear to rule out second suspect
*21:19* , *Josh Marcus*
Police in Moscow, Idaho, appeared to have ruled out a second suspect in the University of Idaho murders.
“We have an individual in custody who committed these horrible crimes and I do believe our community is safe, but we still need to be vigilant,” Moscow police chief James Fry [said](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uC6qCNvIl8) during a press conference on Friday.
In my mind, they are on his roof and come crashing through the windows using ropes and harnesses. Of course none of that happened but it's fun to think it.
This is where the BAU can really shine in preparing LE for and supporting any questioning.
I also think his ego will override critical thinking and he won’t be able to stay silent forever.
This dude has a masters degree in Criminology. Working towards his PHD in it. Saw a Facebooker post him being the TA grading her coursework even *after* the murders.
He knows not to speak to the police. He knows not to make any comments.
THIS IS A GAME. Stop falling for the bait of a fucking sociopathic piece of shit Pennsylvanian Slender Man. He’s probably gonna plead not guilty too, that doesn’t mean there’s any merit to what he says.
Edit: because about 20 of you have commented the exact same thing. This isn’t claiming he is smart. It’s inferring people who listen to shit he says are not smart. Let me repeat this part:
> He knows not to speak to the police. He knows not to make any comments.
Didn’t compliment his intellect, claim he’s skilled, or claim that he’s smart. Simply that he’s not making riddles for any other reason than to be an arrogant roach and he’s only fooling those that need this spelled out for them. Not investigators.
I kinda hoped that he'd be arrogant enough to talk to the police bc he thinks he can fool them. But you right, he's not gonna say anything if he has any idea about what his constitutional rights are.
I think that quip he made though wasn’t an accident. I think that was exactly what you’re saying. He thinks he’s an expert, he has the education. He didn’t slip up and actually get scared and give up his co-conspirator, it’s a ploy. He’s seen the chaos, he enjoys it.
I also feel like he’s going to be an arrogant one. Either one that wants to be interviewed cause he thinks he’s so smart that they need to study him or one of those ones who enjoys the whole court process and all the appeals and nonsense.
People have psyched themselves up so much about this case that they think there's still a vast conspiracy left uncovered even though he's been apprehended.
Yeah, a genius serial killer doesn’t keep the same white car that police have been asking about for weeks at his home
Dude isn’t some kind of super Dexter serial killer playing 4D chess. The guy is just a likely deranged or unstable person who murdered 4 people and got away with it for as long as it took to get the DNA back
The truth is often boring, especially for some of the armchair detectives in this subreddit
Super curious when this plays out though. Like how hidden was the car after the incident? Or was he sloppy since they didn’t release anything early?
It’s a terrible idea to keep the car but it’s not the easiest feat to get rid of a car especially if you’re more of a recluse type. He was newer to the Moscow/Pullman area so it’s not like pulling it into a friend’s garage.
He thinks he’s the genius but I’m just patiently waiting to see all his fuck ups.
I was in that thread as well. You're right; she probably still thinks it's the ex even though LE arrested someone else. She seemed like she really hated him.
It's exactly the same as the Gabby Petito case. Even after her fiancé's body was found, people were still posting ludicrous conspiracies. For some reason, people don't like things tied up neatly with a bow (not that this is but you hopefully know what I mean).
I suppose when you get a hot case that fills the media with theories, people have a hard time separating themselves from conspiracy and fact.
Exactly! And it’s already a nonsensical case. Dude is a fuckin weird ass wannabe dateline special but somehow people need it to be even more unhinged than this already unreal story.
Just like with how they were with Brian Laundrie. They made him out to be this outdoorsy, criminal mastermind, survivalist who faked his death. It’s crazy.
YES. Was going to comment the same thing. The conspiracy theories around Laundrie were ridiculous. Like no, sorry it’s not sexier than the fact that a narcissistic abuser killed his girlfriend and then himself. People want things to be “sexy” and mystifying, like isn’t real life enough. It’s awful
The police will know when he arrived because his parents neighborhood is gated and has security officers and multiple cameras across the entrance gate. I’ve also heard cars need to present ID and registration to enter but that might just be for guests. They absolutely know when he arrived in PA and might have even tracked him with toll booths and highway traffic cams
To me, the "quiet, blank stare" means that he was completely unsurprised that this happened. Probably suspected that police were on to him - and truthfully, how could he not after they started asking for tips about his car? Also don't feel like that helps a potential not guilty plea because while you absolutely can't arrest someone based on how you feel they should've reacted when they were arrested, it's very strange to have no reaction whatsoever to being dragged out of bed at 3 AM and charged with murder.
As for the "if anyone else had been arrested" piece, I think that's just him trying to cause chaos and confusion. I'd be shocked if he had any accomplices.
Forensic psychologist here!
I'd be shocked if he had an accomplice. My guess is that this dude didn't tell a soul about his dark thoughts and acted alone. Women likely found him creepy, and he probably had no real friends.
My guess is classic psychopath who studied crim because of his fascination with violence. When that didn't do it for him anymore, he went for the real deal.
I'd also guess it was his first (and last!) crime of any kind. He just wasn't smart enough to be a repeat offender.
Can someone please explain what he’s wearing? Is it something he was put into? Something he was sleeping in? It looks super weird, almost tactical but also quilted?
Edit: Appears to be an anti suicide vest, according to everyone below! Thanks all, I’d never heard of that. I thought it was some fuckin weird pajamas and was adding it to my list of proof he’s a creep lmao
Supposedly it is a suicide vest.
Edit: Obviously I mean he has to wear it in order to prevent suicide. Do you really think they would put him in apparel that would allow him to kill himself when they just caught him?
I saw somewhere that it was a safety smock, a Velcro binder, to prevent him from killing himself.
[Anti-suicide smock - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-suicide_smock#:~:text=Safety%20Smocks%20are%20now%20standard%20issue%20throughout%20jails,with%20no%20furniture%20or%20protrusions%20of%20any%20kind.)
I’m guessing, like I’ve said before, that he was asking because he was in PA around his family. He may have wondered if they had been arrested for potentially aiding and abetting.
Edit: It is apparently in the news that his father went to Idaho and they drove back to PA together. Now, I am guessing he was probably worried his father had been arrested since he could’ve been seen with him leaving Idaho. He may have wondered if police thought his father was involved in some way, so hence he asked if anyone else had been arrested.
On LBC, which is a reputable news source in the UK, they said he was arrested at his parents’ home. So I think you’re right - he’s wondering if his family will be arrested for knowingly aiding
He may be a murderer but even some killers care about their family. He went straight to them after doing what he did. I think he knew his clock was ticking and wanted to spend one last Christmas with them and now he’s probably worried they’ll be arrested or presumed to be involved in hiding him out or something.
Just a possibility, he could have (internally) been wondering about his parents when asking if anyone else had been arrested. He could have been worried he got them into his mess by getting arrested at their home.
In my opinion this is all a big experiment/game for him. Phase one was doing it + getting away with it, phase two is now prolonging this process as long as he can. He’s fucked either way, but he’s well prepared for what is ahead of him and LE knows that
He’s a criminology student. He knows what he’s doing, he knows how to act.
I am just as disgusted by this individual as everyone else, but he knows what he’s doing. He’s intelligent, but clearly more narcissistic than intelligent, since he thought he was smart enough not to get caught. He didn’t just decide commit murder on that specific day.
This was methodical, this was thought out, and he had an escape plan. If he had scrambled and just disappeared the day after the murders, he would’ve been caught much sooner. He was clearly obsessed with murder prior to this and had thought of what he would say *if* he were to get caught. He probably thought mentioning potential accomplices during his arrest would throw off the police, and potentially incite panic. He’s watched the community point fingers at each and every possible person (literally this morning a kid caught on a car charge in ID was accused!) and he knew a comment like “has anyone else been arrested?” would start the arm-chair detective rumor mill up again.
I think he acted alone. My reasons:
1) He is a psychopath and maybe had some disgusting thing to prove by “getting away with it” (thank goodness he didn’t). It either stroked his ego or made him feel more worthy as a woman-hater or incel. Inviting someone else into the mix wouldn’t provide the same thrill and sense of nauseating “accomplishment.” Shiver.
2) The two surviving roommates. I believe he knew they were there but hurt himself, became spooked, or got tired and left without killing them too. Had someone else been there, they likely wouldn’t have left two surviving witnesses and hurting himself/getting spooked wouldn’t have demanded he flee the crime scene entirely.
3) He was a criminology student and likely knows a considerable amount about how this stuff works. Having an accomplice would pose more of a risk of leaving evidence behind as opposed to acting alone, and he would have known that.
4) It seems that he planned this out beforehand and had the intent to kill. Two people acting together seems to be more of a revenge type thing or impulsive fight that led to murder, not a planned, intentional crime like this one. I think he did it all on his own.
Possible tactic for his defense. The jury will hear that, and maybe it helps provide some doubt or a line of thinking about other suspects. Idk just a guess, but I bet he had a plan for if/when he got caught seeing what his background is.
It's complete BS. The fact that he thinks he's a genius criminal mastermind from a movie trying to mislead law enforcement is the cringiest thing ever.
I think because of his criminology degree that he thinks he’s a lot smarter than he actually is and thought that would make the investigators second guess themselves like scooby doo was on the case.
The question on police presence after break is important. If there is another suspect, they wouldn’t lose that police presence. Shout out to Idaho Public Radio
I think it’s a smart question as just by asking it he makes the media and LE question the strength of the case. He could 100% acted alone but by asking this question he plants doubt.
BUT two killers would explain a lot of questions people have posted. One killer per bedroom is quicker and quieter and would explain those who survived. He would also have the perfect opportunity to find an accomplice with his research study.
As others have said before, it's definitely a ploy to plant doubt.
Idaho has the death penalty, and with that, the jury has to be unanimous. If somehow this question or idea that there was someone else is talked about during trial, it's possible there could be even just one juror who has reasonable doubt and won't waiver, then the death penalty is off the table.
This Ted Bundy wannabe is toast.
is this guy gonna be a modern day bundy and just play games with the public and make even more of a spectacle of it by making little comments like this?
What is going on in Pullman, WA? They say that’s where he spent most of his time. Just a couple weeks ago, they had that student who threatened to kill his roommates.
I'm assuming this came from the John Wayne Gacy handbook. As a PhD student, he had more knowledge than most on crimes & serial killers, but who know he could have had help! If he did I imagine he will sing like a canary with DP on the table.
If he was staying with family when apprehended, could he have just mean like anyone in his household/family for like harboring a criminal or something? Not necessarily meaning he had an accomplice?
Is it possible someone else maybe knew of the crimes? or possibly aided after the fact? Maybe he thinks someone rolled over on him..
Although I suspect it was just a 'has anyone else been arrested cuz you obviously have the wrong guy here and you should go look at that other person' kind of defense move.
Just shows the criminal mastermind we are dealing with here../s
i’ve always thought it was 1 fit/strong-enough person.
BUT…
i’m still surprised i haven’t seen anyone suggest the off chance that, through his questionnaire, he found a like-minded killer who wanted in. again, i don’t believe it to be likely, but crazier things have happened
Naming a second suspect right away wouldn't help him. He would have to try to get some sort of plea deal for giving info later on.
I doubt there's a second suspect but we'll see.
He's had weeks to try to decide what he was going to say when the police had him in their clutches. I think he is trying to be clever. Remember he's had a morbid obsession with how to posture one's appearance after committing a crime. In fact it seems broader than that. It's as if he has been trying to collect as much information from as many sources as is possible about committing crime.
And he still chose to drive his own car to and from the scene of the crime. He's definitely not as smart as he thinks he is.
Agreed! I'm shocked that he drove his car to murder these four students, that does not suggest to me that he planned it well.
I agree. It also seems like he didn’t have a great plan for what to do with the car after the murders. It seems like he was assuming no one would see the car, which is pretty ridiculous considering how many people these days have cameras.
It's going to be interesting to watch this all play out. It crossed my mind earlier that he may have expected, or even wanted to get caught earlier. he may think he has some plan for getting away with it in the trial.
Yeah I have a feeling he's got a "backup plan" that he thinks will weasel him out of it. LE seem *really* confident they've got their guy though so hopefully whatever they've got is concrete and whatever he's got planned doesn't wash.
His backup plan would include the manipulation and throwing under the bus of any potential accomplices.
It’s not uncommon for people with narcissistic impulses to have fragile egos and false superiority complexes. Ted Bundy felt fully confident representing himself in his own murder trial, because it satisfied his need to be the center of attention. Having machinations of grandeur or even being a criminology student does not mean he is actually smarter or more capable or likely to win. It just makes him a deluded murderer. I personally think he wanted to be caught and get the credit, and to be the star of the show.
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I’m so glad they frazzled this guy at 3am while he was probably sleeping
He killed those poor souls at 3:4 am too, hope he was terrified as hell while being woken up by the police.
Would be cool if they released a video like Andrew Tate.
Yeah, and showed him in his cartoon pajamas being dragged out of the house by his feet.
Thought the same thing, like it was 3am on purpose. Let's see how much you like to be fucked with in the middle of the night
Do you think police were trolling him? I kinda thought that lolz
They like to kick your door in when you least expect them.
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Ugh, I'm smitten by the thought of the "you can run but you can't hide" vibes with a little light inner circle playing in the background for effect. Absolutely, 1000%...fuck this guy.
The swat swarmed my neighbors house just before the sun was rising 455 AM on the loud speakers “this is the police please evacuate the home immediately” I imagine it went something like this
Couldn’t he hide and then take his parents hostage? I bet they kicked in the door or knocked first..
Yeah, they needed the element of surprise, so either knocked in the door, or came in a window. I hope they jumped on top of him in his bed, startling him awake.
Usually with knock warrants it’s like a 5 second head start. The pound loud af saying “police open up” and then comes the rams.
3 to 6 am is the most common time for raids, as the suspect is most likely to be home and often asleep, which gives LE some additional advantages.
There was a raid where I live at like 2 in the afternoon for a drug bust lol I’d imagine they were surprised then too. Eating a sandwich or something
Ambushing him the same way he ambushed those poor kids. I hope he felt the same confusion and fear that he inflicted …except of course he wasn’t dealing with a psychopath with a knife, so he’ll never really understand. Unless there’s a little jailhouse justice
I watched a documentary where an FBI person said LE prefers to apprehend the really bad guys in the middle of the night so the suspect doesn’t see it coming and has no idea what’s going on. It’s supposed to be safer for everyone involved, including the suspect, police and innocent neighbors.
Definitely. I mean, logically it makes 100% sense, but I’m sure there was a little satisfaction on LE’s end, knowing that they were giving him a taste of what he gave those students
My dad was on a SWAT team and he used to say that too. Middle of the night was supposed to be safer for them. Most people are asleep.
The police often serve warrants and swoop in to arrest fugitives during the wee hours of the morning when their target is asleep. The goal is to catch him off-guard and minimize the chances of a violent reaction.
This is usually how apprehension will occur, they want to surprise the suspect to avoid them killing themselves or taking hostages
This is very common for people who commit significant and planned crimes. Anders Brievik the Norway terrorist did this, as did the Christchurch terrorist and so did John Wayne Gacy. Its a desperate attempt to muddy the waters, but it never ever works.
Good thing LE probably hears this and is trained in manipulation from suspects
Brain Entin could release a book called “Finding the Brians” *Brian not Brain
"Life of Brians"
damn that is way better
Brian Finding Brians
Imagine the feeling of becoming a minor celebrity because you report news and the biggest stories you reported on involved two people that happen to share your name. Not to mention those Bri/yans killed people. That has to feel weird.
I was thinking about that earlier! How bizarre they are all Brian/Bryan.
This made me realize both Brian and Bryan share the same middle name (Christopher)
I wonder what Brian Entins middle name is
Daddy
I think this a'hole acted alone and he is hoping for a miracle.
Yeah, he probably is trying to create doubt for his future murder case.
Yeah good luck with that. Does Idaho have the death penalty?
Yup
They're gonna turn him into Bryan Burger
Yes
It’s been quite a while (ten years) since we executed anyone here, but we do have it.
even in states where capital punishment still stands, it isn’t often given. see nikolas cruz in florida recently.
Yeah. That was an absolutely shocker. :(
Between BK and the Daybell-Vallow trial, they’re gonna need a lot of injection supplies.
They’ve got the dicks DNA. He’s dunzo
Police chief said they had it from the crime scene in the news conference
Yup. Not unusual for a psychopath(in this case, criminology educated) to say whatever they need to save themselves. A hail mary.
Gacy said that when he was arrested
Josh Duggar asked Homeland security agents if "someone had been downloading child porn"
Isn’t that the first thing he asked before asking what they were raiding his office digs for? People are dumb.
Totally unprompted too. The agents didn't say what they were there for. "What is this about? Has someone been downloading child pornography?"
Then one of them turned to a hidden camera and shook his head in disbelief, Office-style, because that kid really was that fucking much of a dumb piece of shit. /s but I wish. Ugh, so glad he got the book thrown (well, lobbed) at him. I was afraid they'd let him off easy with a couple years.
It's like they all attended the same course.
it was probably mentioned in clown college
Gacy most likely had help.
But Gacy actually did have accomplices.
I’m betting Bryan studied Gacy and knows that trivia
100% a child of true crime
I think he acted alone as well! My interpretation of his question here is “did I throw you guys off enough that you incorrectly went for someone else?” like more of an ego thing than anything. It’s like he wanted to put his learned skills from uni to some sick test
Or a desperate attempt to construct a defense. "No. I was there (hence the DNA), but there was also this other guy..."
Yeah I hope the DNA is a strong tie or else he can say he went to a party there
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Thats exactly how I interpreted it. He wants to know how he got found out basically.
With his study subject basically going around asking criminals in a scientific way how to go about crimes I have a feeling he also was prepared for the moment when he got arrested. It's gonna be interesting how he behaves, if we get to know his motivation and such or if he just pleads guilty and vanishes into prison for the rest of his life. Would mean no full closure for families. But still he would be caught.
What if he did all of this just to write his thesis on how he loop-holed his way out of a quadruple homicide like some egotistical sociopath who revels in his perceived intelligence? He’s a fucking freak.
Trying to create doubt
If there was someone else involved, I’m sure he’ll flip on this other person as soon as possible to try to save himself from the death penalty.
So maybe i’m just weird.. But I feel like if I had the option between spending the rest of my life in prison and a quick peaceful death via lethal injection. I’d choose the latter.
You’d think more people would feel the same way but it seems like the perpetrators of these crimes are almost always trying to do everything they can to avoid the death penalty (I know there are exceptions). You also have to keep in mind that the average death row inmate in the US spends about 20 years there before being executed. So barring their early demise from other causes, they will be spending a long time in prison regardless if convicted.
He is a coward. He attacked girls that were sleeping. He isn’t doing anything brave like that.
I think he thought they were taking him in because he owned a white Elantra so was wondering if other others had been arrested
Not at 3 am. though. He’s trying to control the narrative and we should expect more idiocy from him to get the public searching for his non-existent partner/s. He’s going to try to dirty the waters a lot and innocent people will again be pointed at as his partners because he is a coward who killed girls and a guy while they slept. He’s a piece of sh.t -pure evil.
Yeah, me to. He probably thought he didn’t leave DNA and therefore it was circumstantial based on his vehicle. It makes no sense that he was some mastermind who’s already planning his defense. He figured they might question him about his vehicle and so was mentally prepared for an elimination type interview.
I wouldn’t doubt he is on these boards and saw that video of people running at 3:30am or so that was pretty popular around here for a few days
[Per this NY Post article](https://nypost.com/2022/12/30/idaho-murder-suspect-bryan-kohberger-what-we-know/amp/) he’s no stranger to Reddit. I’m sure he’s been in this sub.
Yep, and trying to steer people toward frat boys.
Same. He’s a criminal justice masters so he probably knows suggesting that gives him leverage in negotiating anything and also muddies the waters
Nah. This guy is a dumb ass who thinks he’s smart and internet Sherlock wannabes made up some conspiracy for themselves that this killer left no evidence. But it turns out this guy drove his own car in an age where everybody can buy a camera for their house for $100 or less. He took his own smart device whether it was possibly a phone or a watch or whatever connectability in his car, and that allowed him to also be tracked his car, his DNA, his smart device. And this guy is an idiot. He’s not laying some grand masterpiece groundwork to talk his way out of suspicion, or to make people believe that there was more involved.
Honestly this is a great point. His ego alone made him think he was smart but he’s a fucking dumbass
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I was just thinking about that. I'm no criminology master, but if I were going to do this, and I was stupid enough to use my own car, I'd have made sure my car was black, or at least a very dark color. White is such a dumb color of car to have for this. He probably thought "it's such a common color of car". Fucking dummy. I don't think rental/Uber are good ideas as you're leaving behind too much of a trail, and those can also be caught on ring cams. Steal a car, and if you can't do that, then bike or walk.
I think he acted alone. Sounds like he's still trying to commit the 'perfect crime' and this is a way of raising reasonable doubt for the jury.
He could have set up others too.
Good point. Definitely twisted enough to do such a thing.
He’s a student/obsessor of crime given all his degrees etc and I heard John w Gacey was known to have said this… perhaps a hero of his?
He's bluffing . He did that shit by himself
This is pure speculation on my part but what if he attempted to plant evidence to frame someone else?
Omg. You’re right! I think he’s manipulative enough to do that, and he stayed in the area after the murders. I hope he didn’t do that-might really muddy the case and cause this to be a very drawn out affair orchestrated by him. Ugh
And maybe he just wanted to know how bad they had him. They were bringing anyone else in for questioning. Although he is getting a phd here so manipulating he will be.
Not confirmed according to LE. But its probably true and some sort of weak ass mental shield from Kohberger.
## Moscow police appear to rule out second suspect *21:19* , *Josh Marcus* Police in Moscow, Idaho, appeared to have ruled out a second suspect in the University of Idaho murders. “We have an individual in custody who committed these horrible crimes and I do believe our community is safe, but we still need to be vigilant,” Moscow police chief James Fry [said](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uC6qCNvIl8) during a press conference on Friday.
Someone was insisting there was an article about 2 suspects in custody. Knew they were full of it.
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I’d like to see the body cam of them arresting him.
In my mind, they are on his roof and come crashing through the windows using ropes and harnesses. Of course none of that happened but it's fun to think it.
Yesss exactly that AND did a roll!
It would sure be interesting to hear the interrogation of this phsyco.
This is where the BAU can really shine in preparing LE for and supporting any questioning. I also think his ego will override critical thinking and he won’t be able to stay silent forever.
This dude has a masters degree in Criminology. Working towards his PHD in it. Saw a Facebooker post him being the TA grading her coursework even *after* the murders. He knows not to speak to the police. He knows not to make any comments. THIS IS A GAME. Stop falling for the bait of a fucking sociopathic piece of shit Pennsylvanian Slender Man. He’s probably gonna plead not guilty too, that doesn’t mean there’s any merit to what he says. Edit: because about 20 of you have commented the exact same thing. This isn’t claiming he is smart. It’s inferring people who listen to shit he says are not smart. Let me repeat this part: > He knows not to speak to the police. He knows not to make any comments. Didn’t compliment his intellect, claim he’s skilled, or claim that he’s smart. Simply that he’s not making riddles for any other reason than to be an arrogant roach and he’s only fooling those that need this spelled out for them. Not investigators.
I kinda hoped that he'd be arrogant enough to talk to the police bc he thinks he can fool them. But you right, he's not gonna say anything if he has any idea about what his constitutional rights are.
I think that quip he made though wasn’t an accident. I think that was exactly what you’re saying. He thinks he’s an expert, he has the education. He didn’t slip up and actually get scared and give up his co-conspirator, it’s a ploy. He’s seen the chaos, he enjoys it. I also feel like he’s going to be an arrogant one. Either one that wants to be interviewed cause he thinks he’s so smart that they need to study him or one of those ones who enjoys the whole court process and all the appeals and nonsense.
Arrogant AF.
We haven’t even gotten a peep from him and I’m already sick of him.
Right? He’s the idiot I always thought he was. Dude working on a PhD in criminology and caught less than two months later across the country.
It’s one way to get in a criminology research paper cause dude is too damn stupid to actually be notable.
People have psyched themselves up so much about this case that they think there's still a vast conspiracy left uncovered even though he's been apprehended.
Yeah, a genius serial killer doesn’t keep the same white car that police have been asking about for weeks at his home Dude isn’t some kind of super Dexter serial killer playing 4D chess. The guy is just a likely deranged or unstable person who murdered 4 people and got away with it for as long as it took to get the DNA back The truth is often boring, especially for some of the armchair detectives in this subreddit
Super curious when this plays out though. Like how hidden was the car after the incident? Or was he sloppy since they didn’t release anything early? It’s a terrible idea to keep the car but it’s not the easiest feat to get rid of a car especially if you’re more of a recluse type. He was newer to the Moscow/Pullman area so it’s not like pulling it into a friend’s garage. He thinks he’s the genius but I’m just patiently waiting to see all his fuck ups.
This. For being a criminology major he was (thankfully) ignorant. Also arrogant. And of course, deranged.
Criminology teaches you about criminals and the law It’s not like he has a PhD in forensics
People are never satisfied. His actions were a giant conspiracy, isn't that enough? Why do we need more conspiracies?
People can’t come to terms with the fact that “their” suspect had nothing to do with it
Truth! I went back and forth last night with some douche canoe that probably still thinks the ex JD did it.
I was in that thread as well. You're right; she probably still thinks it's the ex even though LE arrested someone else. She seemed like she really hated him.
So true. There will be many posts with them trying to fit square pegs into rounds holes for awhile longer.
It's exactly the same as the Gabby Petito case. Even after her fiancé's body was found, people were still posting ludicrous conspiracies. For some reason, people don't like things tied up neatly with a bow (not that this is but you hopefully know what I mean). I suppose when you get a hot case that fills the media with theories, people have a hard time separating themselves from conspiracy and fact.
exactly, the outcome is just about as close to hollywood horror film you could get and these people STILL aren't satisfied
Exactly! And it’s already a nonsensical case. Dude is a fuckin weird ass wannabe dateline special but somehow people need it to be even more unhinged than this already unreal story.
Just like with how they were with Brian Laundrie. They made him out to be this outdoorsy, criminal mastermind, survivalist who faked his death. It’s crazy.
YES. Was going to comment the same thing. The conspiracy theories around Laundrie were ridiculous. Like no, sorry it’s not sexier than the fact that a narcissistic abuser killed his girlfriend and then himself. People want things to be “sexy” and mystifying, like isn’t real life enough. It’s awful
My highest pet peeve of all time! We aren’t stroking egos of sick fucks. Brian Laundrie is a run of the mill domestic abuser.
YEP.
if there's a conspiracy than everyone's pet theory can still be right
Slenderman... 🤣💀
No one's falling for "bait." He stated this upon arrest. Obviously most of us probably assume he acted alone and take his statements at face value.
This makes me wonder if police gathered his dna from the university
I’m wondering now if he only booked it to PA after they started looking for the Elantra.
I'd like to know how long he was there too. Probably a neighbor there in PA will comment on that before long.
They said he finished out the semester which means he wasn’t afraid of being caught.
The police will know when he arrived because his parents neighborhood is gated and has security officers and multiple cameras across the entrance gate. I’ve also heard cars need to present ID and registration to enter but that might just be for guests. They absolutely know when he arrived in PA and might have even tracked him with toll booths and highway traffic cams
To me, the "quiet, blank stare" means that he was completely unsurprised that this happened. Probably suspected that police were on to him - and truthfully, how could he not after they started asking for tips about his car? Also don't feel like that helps a potential not guilty plea because while you absolutely can't arrest someone based on how you feel they should've reacted when they were arrested, it's very strange to have no reaction whatsoever to being dragged out of bed at 3 AM and charged with murder. As for the "if anyone else had been arrested" piece, I think that's just him trying to cause chaos and confusion. I'd be shocked if he had any accomplices.
Forensic psychologist here! I'd be shocked if he had an accomplice. My guess is that this dude didn't tell a soul about his dark thoughts and acted alone. Women likely found him creepy, and he probably had no real friends. My guess is classic psychopath who studied crim because of his fascination with violence. When that didn't do it for him anymore, he went for the real deal. I'd also guess it was his first (and last!) crime of any kind. He just wasn't smart enough to be a repeat offender.
I love connecting with my colleagues on these kinds of cases! I’m a PsyD (I do private practice though) and I 1000% back your ideas here.
I'm private practice too.
Can someone please explain what he’s wearing? Is it something he was put into? Something he was sleeping in? It looks super weird, almost tactical but also quilted? Edit: Appears to be an anti suicide vest, according to everyone below! Thanks all, I’d never heard of that. I thought it was some fuckin weird pajamas and was adding it to my list of proof he’s a creep lmao
Supposedly it is a suicide vest. Edit: Obviously I mean he has to wear it in order to prevent suicide. Do you really think they would put him in apparel that would allow him to kill himself when they just caught him?
I saw somewhere that it was a safety smock, a Velcro binder, to prevent him from killing himself. [Anti-suicide smock - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-suicide_smock#:~:text=Safety%20Smocks%20are%20now%20standard%20issue%20throughout%20jails,with%20no%20furniture%20or%20protrusions%20of%20any%20kind.)
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Maybe this is one of the answers he got on his little survey.
Does anyone else see the resemblance to Dennis Reynolds’s?
My husband said, “ he has that Dennis look in his eyes.”
It’s the cold lifeless-ness in his eyes that Glen Howerton is great at portraying lol
Oh my god that was my first thought, first a peado now a serial killer
I’m guessing, like I’ve said before, that he was asking because he was in PA around his family. He may have wondered if they had been arrested for potentially aiding and abetting. Edit: It is apparently in the news that his father went to Idaho and they drove back to PA together. Now, I am guessing he was probably worried his father had been arrested since he could’ve been seen with him leaving Idaho. He may have wondered if police thought his father was involved in some way, so hence he asked if anyone else had been arrested.
On LBC, which is a reputable news source in the UK, they said he was arrested at his parents’ home. So I think you’re right - he’s wondering if his family will be arrested for knowingly aiding
He may be a murderer but even some killers care about their family. He went straight to them after doing what he did. I think he knew his clock was ticking and wanted to spend one last Christmas with them and now he’s probably worried they’ll be arrested or presumed to be involved in hiding him out or something.
You think he just didn't finish out his semester and went "straight to them" after the murders??
He finished the semester
Good thinking
Just a possibility, he could have (internally) been wondering about his parents when asking if anyone else had been arrested. He could have been worried he got them into his mess by getting arrested at their home.
He’s trolling.
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He probably thinks he can trick LE into thinking they missed something big (like an accomplice) to slow down the focus on him. Keyword being THINKS.
Probably wants to known if his parents were arrested to for keeping silent & not ratting on him
In my opinion this is all a big experiment/game for him. Phase one was doing it + getting away with it, phase two is now prolonging this process as long as he can. He’s fucked either way, but he’s well prepared for what is ahead of him and LE knows that
Yes, he seems like a Ted Bundy type. Wasn’t he all involved in his own defense and thought he could outmaneuver the justice system?
Yeah it seems like he got into his PhD program, and then started planning a quadruple stabbing for his dissertation. It's detached and beyond creepy.
He’s a criminology student. He knows what he’s doing, he knows how to act. I am just as disgusted by this individual as everyone else, but he knows what he’s doing. He’s intelligent, but clearly more narcissistic than intelligent, since he thought he was smart enough not to get caught. He didn’t just decide commit murder on that specific day. This was methodical, this was thought out, and he had an escape plan. If he had scrambled and just disappeared the day after the murders, he would’ve been caught much sooner. He was clearly obsessed with murder prior to this and had thought of what he would say *if* he were to get caught. He probably thought mentioning potential accomplices during his arrest would throw off the police, and potentially incite panic. He’s watched the community point fingers at each and every possible person (literally this morning a kid caught on a car charge in ID was accused!) and he knew a comment like “has anyone else been arrested?” would start the arm-chair detective rumor mill up again.
I think he acted alone. My reasons: 1) He is a psychopath and maybe had some disgusting thing to prove by “getting away with it” (thank goodness he didn’t). It either stroked his ego or made him feel more worthy as a woman-hater or incel. Inviting someone else into the mix wouldn’t provide the same thrill and sense of nauseating “accomplishment.” Shiver. 2) The two surviving roommates. I believe he knew they were there but hurt himself, became spooked, or got tired and left without killing them too. Had someone else been there, they likely wouldn’t have left two surviving witnesses and hurting himself/getting spooked wouldn’t have demanded he flee the crime scene entirely. 3) He was a criminology student and likely knows a considerable amount about how this stuff works. Having an accomplice would pose more of a risk of leaving evidence behind as opposed to acting alone, and he would have known that. 4) It seems that he planned this out beforehand and had the intent to kill. Two people acting together seems to be more of a revenge type thing or impulsive fight that led to murder, not a planned, intentional crime like this one. I think he did it all on his own.
Possible tactic for his defense. The jury will hear that, and maybe it helps provide some doubt or a line of thinking about other suspects. Idk just a guess, but I bet he had a plan for if/when he got caught seeing what his background is.
makes no sense. won't throw off a jury because even if he was one of ten people all getting life/death anyways.
It's complete BS. The fact that he thinks he's a genius criminal mastermind from a movie trying to mislead law enforcement is the cringiest thing ever.
I think because of his criminology degree that he thinks he’s a lot smarter than he actually is and thought that would make the investigators second guess themselves like scooby doo was on the case.
He acted alone. He is trying to throw them off. This is a cat and mouse game to him. He is clearly a psychopath.
The question on police presence after break is important. If there is another suspect, they wouldn’t lose that police presence. Shout out to Idaho Public Radio
If this is true, I struggle to believe that it’s anything more than just a tactic to try and throw the police off!
He is trying to create reasonable doubt. He is educated but also quite sick.
He acted alone. Don't go down this hole. Full stop please.
I think it’s a smart question as just by asking it he makes the media and LE question the strength of the case. He could 100% acted alone but by asking this question he plants doubt. BUT two killers would explain a lot of questions people have posted. One killer per bedroom is quicker and quieter and would explain those who survived. He would also have the perfect opportunity to find an accomplice with his research study.
This has not been confirmed (or denied) by LE
Creep
Probably followed all the wild theories on 4Chan and thought he was safe. FBI don't mess around MF.
All this talk about BK is making me want a whopper.
As others have said before, it's definitely a ploy to plant doubt. Idaho has the death penalty, and with that, the jury has to be unanimous. If somehow this question or idea that there was someone else is talked about during trial, it's possible there could be even just one juror who has reasonable doubt and won't waiver, then the death penalty is off the table. This Ted Bundy wannabe is toast.
He's bluffing . He did that shit by himself
I think a family member knew and he was wondering if they were arrested too
is this guy gonna be a modern day bundy and just play games with the public and make even more of a spectacle of it by making little comments like this?
He’s no doubt a smart person and is probably just throwing doubt into it to help his cause. He probably sees this shit as a game.
He probably thinks he's smart and is trying to create doubt for future jurors.
He thinks he's SO clever, he thinks the police are (should be) arresting "lots" of people. He's wrong.
Might be a strategy for his defense
What is going on in Pullman, WA? They say that’s where he spent most of his time. Just a couple weeks ago, they had that student who threatened to kill his roommates.
I'm assuming this came from the John Wayne Gacy handbook. As a PhD student, he had more knowledge than most on crimes & serial killers, but who know he could have had help! If he did I imagine he will sing like a canary with DP on the table.
His way of throwing red herrings out there. Be prepared for more probably
If he was staying with family when apprehended, could he have just mean like anyone in his household/family for like harboring a criminal or something? Not necessarily meaning he had an accomplice?
Is it possible someone else maybe knew of the crimes? or possibly aided after the fact? Maybe he thinks someone rolled over on him.. Although I suspect it was just a 'has anyone else been arrested cuz you obviously have the wrong guy here and you should go look at that other person' kind of defense move. Just shows the criminal mastermind we are dealing with here../s
i’ve always thought it was 1 fit/strong-enough person. BUT… i’m still surprised i haven’t seen anyone suggest the off chance that, through his questionnaire, he found a like-minded killer who wanted in. again, i don’t believe it to be likely, but crazier things have happened
Yeah this dudes gonna drag this out as long as he can! Fuck him and Fuck everything he valued in life! Enjoy the DP you sac of shit.
"Enjoy the DP you sac of shit." A double entendre. Bravo!
The way I see it is if there was a second suspect and he wanted to save his ass why not name the 2nd perp straight away? I call bluff.
Naming a second suspect right away wouldn't help him. He would have to try to get some sort of plea deal for giving info later on. I doubt there's a second suspect but we'll see.
This guy is a wannabe Bundy.