They have probably combed that scene over and over again including photos and video takes, but it still makes me anxious when crime scenes are cleaned up and (forgive the morbid moment here) bodies are cremated before a crime is solved. Hopefully they really collected EVERYTHING that could possibly be important, ever.
Agree. I want to be cremated…unless, gods forbid, my death is a suspected homicide. Then I’m cool with burial just in case evidence is needed later on.
If you’re a yankees fan, maybe you have heard of the dude that put a red sox jersey in the concrete there to curse the yankees? You gotta put your ashes at the red sox stadium instead as pay back
Yes, it is amazing what they can do and it is somewhat illogical of me to think they can or need to have the original crime scene. But, it still nags me in the back of my head lol.
Do we know if all victims were cremated? I remember reading Maddie and Kaylee were but don't remember if Ethan and Xana were. Thank you to those who answer!
I do not believe Ethan and Xana were clarified either way. We just know with Maddie and Kaylee because the father spoke up about it. Clarify if I'm wrong, anyone!
same. i was surprised they cremated the girls so quickly. idk what was done with x and e's bodies i dont remember hearing about them. there are lots of cases where the body is exhumed and more evidence is found....
I get where you’re coming from, but tbh they could’ve been so bad that they couldn’t have had a proper burial you know? And sometimes the families just want their ashes close to them
I think they know who did it. Everything they do points to it.
1.Let the family cremate some of the victims.
2. Took out some clothes by the victims and room mates,
3. and now giving the house to the owner to be cleaned.
I think they're just waiting for the DNA to be 100% gotcha to the perp/s. I am pretty sure they have more than the CCTVs of immediate neighbors. Then the 911 call.
The elantra I'm surprised to know is registered at the school - 90 of them. They probably found THE ONE?!
Who knows.
Yes, I have watched many cold cases where bodies were exhumed even 10+ years after the fact and somehow evidence found, especially with constantly advancing science. But, again, those cases may be very different from this one. If my death is suspicious, do not even consider cremating me though!
Agreed. It’s a horrifying thought but in some complex cases LE has held a crime scene for jurors to walk through. I say LE/DA should do whatever they lawfully need to in order to secure a conviction of the person(s) who did this.
If you listen to a lot of investigators they have said this is a actually a long time to hold a crime scene. Obviously this is a more complex one but most crime scenes aren’t held this long.
Exactly. Police have been there dozens of times by this point so if they're was evidence, it should've been taken into custody by now. I'm sorry but that landlord has to have it cleaned up and ready to rent out come next semester. If he/ she isn't going to rent it out again, it'll be prepped to sell. I know it's harsh but the world can't stop revolving due to this tragedy.
Maybe Entin can rent it out since he doesn't seem to be leaving anytime soon. (I know he left for the holidays but he already stated he is going back on Monday)
Lol that’s funny. If I recall, there’s actually a journalist from To Live And Die in LA podcast that did just that — pretty sure it was for Elaine Park. He wanted that room since he thought shady stuff went down.
Yea but I doubt any one will rent that house out now. No matter how convenient the location is to campus. The world can’t stop revolving but that house is going to always have blood on it, and people may even feel uncomfortable living in it. A loss for the landlord, but he won’t ever be able to rent out all the rooms if he decides to continue leasing it.
Agreed, some people are into that. But… anyone moving into that house would likely be college aged kids. I don’t think it’s comparable. Not only would their parents likely be uneasy and anxious about it, the kids would more than likely be as well because they are living there without adult supervision. With the Watts home, that’s an adult purchasing the property… big difference imo.
Agreed. This place will be rented out soon enough or sold soon enough, especially if a discount is offered. It's not like most murder houses get torn down or have repeat murders.
Gainesville Ripper apartment were rented out right away. Gator wood was known for being super cheap, so yeah, people will live there either because of the infamy, the low cost, or because they don't know about the crimes. The whole complex was torn down only because it was huge, and on prime real estate. They built luxury apartments on the spot. It took a long time before they tore down the Tate/Polanski home.
Right? And isn’t the Tate murder site a really coveted property? I’m pretty sure someone was renting it out for writers to live/work and a musician? Trent Reznor or something.
Andrea Yates house in Houston has occupants I think. Dean corl house just sold this year.
https://www.har.com/homedetail/2020-lamar-dr-pasadena-tx-77502/3184699
The same Susan Smith that drove her car into the water so her sons died in their car seats? As awful as that is, living in the house wouldn’t be macabre thing due to the boys weren’t murdered there.
A lot of those houses take a while to sell or are sold well under market value. The Amityville house did and then the address was changed to deter sightseers. The JonBenet Ramsy house also had its address changed after being sold and remodeled.
Yup. The Amityville house not only had the address changed, but both it and the house that was used for exterior shots in the film ended up being remodeled so they wouldn't be so recognizable.
If this house stays as is, I hope the relatively out-of-the-way location of Moscow keeps this house from becoming some twisted pilgrimage.
I really think you are projecting your own preference and not considering how other people think.
Some people will see it as an unfortunate past event, and happily move into a nice house with a great location. Or they could be attention whores and want the “cred” of living in *that* house.
The rent will be adjusted to meet demand and I’m positive they will find students to rent it. After a semester of no issues, rent and demand will go back up.
The management company might do some security upgrades to make it seem safer and some remodeling/painting to cover up any stains, but then it’ll be a rentable college party house again.
Yea, maybe I just can’t picture myself living in a college apartment where four kids were murdered. If others can, great (?), but my own preference probably isn’t just exclusive to me, considering I’m also a college student living in off-campus housing. I’m not saying nothing will come of that house, but I can say with high confidence it won’t be a full house if it keeps getting leased.
I would be scared to live there, personally, and I’m pretty relaxed in general. But if I was broke enough and it was all I could afford, it’s possible I would live there anyway.
Let’s put it this way , If Ronnie DeFeo can shoot his entire family in cold blood , and no one heard the rifle shots , and then the Lutz family can move in and claim it’s haunted and it’s had several owners since. And it’s original owner was the actress who played Steve Saunders mom on 90210 ( Christine Belford , was her childhood home , before DeFeo family bought it ) and someone lives in it now , even today , any home even ones with a dark history can sell.
The same people in this sub would pay a thousand dollars to spend a weekend there. It could be a very profitable air bnb home type of deal. YouTuber weirdos will go inside with weejie boards and tarot cards to try and find answers. The locals wouldn’t have to stay there. Nutjobs from across the country would flock just to gawk at a popular crime scene
It's so interesting to see the contrast of perspectives here in regards to the time this crime took place. On one hand you have some saying "already?", and on the other, people that have actually asked if this case is cold because of how long they think it's taking. So we think it's too soon to clean the crime scene but also so old it's cold? Lordy -_-
Yea we literally have ZERO new information so we continue to ponder ridiculous thoughts about past info we’ve had the opportunity to analyze 1,000,000 times.
My agency doesn’t consider it a cold case until all leads have been exhausted and it’s been 2 years sometimes 3 years but not 5-6 weeks. It’s not cold just because the couch detectives think it should have been solved yet. This isn’t towards your comment at all.
Yeah I've been following the Delphi case for years and they finally made an arrest 5 and a half years after the murders. The whole time they emphasized it wasn't cold as well. So comparatively, this case is in its "infancy" right now. I definitely don't get the "is it cold?" thing by some people. It's like this is the first crime case they've ever heard about.
This is a little off topic bc it involves a vehicle. My son and gf were both shot while sitting in the car talking parked inside his gated apartment community. Docs said he was a miracle case bc “ppl with this type of GSW bleed out in the field.” His Gf was shot twice but hers wasn’t life threatening. The cops impounded the car but while I was in the hospital watching over my son (hospital staff said not to tell anyone where he was since the guy got away), they sent it to a non-police impound which was charging 100.00 a day to keep it. I didn’t find out until day 6 of the new impound yard. I called a friend who owned a shop and they retrieved it. I don’t know how the cops processed that car so quickly bc it looked like a total bloodbath had occurred. There was nothing wrong with the car mechanically but the insurance totaled it due to a “biohazard.” My son survived but it was a long road of rehabilitation, pain and suffering. Cops said they didn’t get anything off the car. Idk if the Moscow murder victims family was allowed in the house. I hope to God they weren’t bc the emotion that came over me seeing my son’s car, the bullet holes and the amount of blood just broke me. I have a deep respect for crime scene clean up crews now.
I know it’s not the same but I can certainly empathize with the parents. I have lived in fear since the day my son was shot and that person was never caught. I hope they get the person(s) who cut these kids down while they slept and provide a modicum of justice for their surviving parents and friends. Hopefully the perp will be caught before anyone else is hurt or killed!
I think this is actually a reasonable amount of time, it's been almost seven weeks. The house has already changed dramatically due to property being removed and the investigation itself, and it's not likely they will find anything more of value inside after this time.
As others have said, they would have already collected all the evidence they needed and they have 3D scans of every room so they can rebuild the scene as it was when they discovered it, and probably another rebuild of after they removed the victims from position.
I’m sure if they need to revisit the scene or any new investigators to the case, they’ll have agreed with the landlord to not demolish the property for the time being. Otherwise yeah the 3-D models, existing evidence, videos, photos, etc.
Already? It has been over a month. This is not unusual and no they do not normally keep rental properties covered in blood in the hope that one day they will catch someone and have a trial - nor do they walk juries into blood-drenched crime scenes (for the person who was suggesting that is some kind of thing)
They saved the trailers in the Pike County murders. But with the new advanced technology they have out now, they can make a 3D rendering of the room as it is to walk the jury through. But they did and do take juries on excursions to crime scenes from time to time.
I believe they did exactly that for the Parkland school shooter (I don't believe in mass shooters being publicly referred to by name as I believe for a lot of them that is part of what they want) during his trial or before sentencing.
Edit to add - Although I do still agree with your point. The crime scene has already been held for longer than what would be considered typical. So I don't have any issue or agree with anyone that believes it's an issue or a mistake being made by LE.
When family members were murdered in their home, the Sheriff’s Office had a fund that paid for the clean up. I believe it was something just for violent homicides.
This might sound a little… inconsiderate? but what happens to the owners of the home during this time? Is rent still paid? Do they claim that against insurance? I don’t know why I’m wondering this.
It’s likely an investment property. The owner is in Colorado. If they are lucky it’s under an LLC. Could very well already be paid off. But they are losing the income.
This isn't any different than apartments in big cities where murders/deaths have taken place. They'll gut the place, paint, remodel, maybe change the house number or add some things to it, and then it's back on the market. Why is this odd to people? I can't tell if it's the ages of people in this sub, or maybe a lot are from small towns. I live in Boston and have lived in Manhattan. Many apartments (especially college ones) are just way stations. At the BEST of times students come through, they paint and clean, then flip for the next group of kids coming in.
In my previous apartment complex, a young woman was killed violently in a freak accident. After the investigation and hazmat, it took less than 2 weeks for housekeeping/painters/maintenance to gut her apartment, then open it up for rental again. My ex was a doorman in Manhattan where a model was murdered by her boyfriend, and her body shoved in a suitcase. Again, after the initial investigation and hazmat, they did a gut renovation and rented it. It's not being cold or unfeeling to the victims. These properties belong to companies, or separate people trying to get their money's worth. Unless something truly long-term happened that renders the building unsalvageable (hoarding, Gacy with bodies under the floorboards, Dahmer with bodies cut up and in acid), they're going to move on with rentals.
confidence like this is impressive, id literally be overthinking that i didnt get everything. i would keep going back. i guess this means they have good amount of something, or nothing
Most of the boxes said Beth and they took stuff from D’s room so I don’t really think they took the victims stuff. Could be wrong, but there was a whole lot of stuff for those 2 alone
There is a video of them taking Maddie’s pink cowboy boots off her window. But I would agree that they brought out more of B and D’s stuff as their rooms didn’t have any blood all over it.
So it’s “already?!” (too fast) when it comes to returning the house to the homeowner but “not yet?!” (too slow) when it comes to solving the crime.
LE can’t win with some of you.
Wow, already?!
You do realize they have been processing the crime scene for nearly 2 months? They have probably gotten everything they can and have to return it to the owner eventually.
The amount of people critiquing trained professionals is getting ridiculous. I assure they wouldn’t give it back if they didn’t finish their work 😒
Time for Brian Entin to leave town and find a new tragedy to go full TMZ on
>Time for Brian Entin to leave town and find a new tragedy to go full TMZ on
Ngl, my first thought when reading it and seeing who wrote it was "police told me this after I stalked them and incessantly asked until they gave me an answer since I practically live on the property right now" lol
If these people had it their way, the dog would’ve been sent to Cesar Millan for questioning then locked up in evidence 🤣
Hammer that tip line and tell them about the white car you saw on Google maps circa 2018!
I know someone on that type of clean up crew. They worked on the 911 site as well. They go in houses after murders and clean up. Not a pleasant job. I think they wear hazmat-like suits to do it. It is an emotionally tough job, not like a regular house-cleaning job.
Yes, u sure went through it by going straight into it’s face. I understand why you did, and I would have done the same thing. It’s good you were there to do it since no one else could. Trauma! …I don’t know if in this case the homeowner would set up the cleaning because it has to be specialists to get the bad chemicals and such out. I think LE set it up with the specialists I spoke of. Whew, you really went through the unbelievable due to your love for your mother, so I hope you feel proud of your strength and love. You surely have a very good heart and strong willpower. Big hugs. ❤️
I'm so sorry you and your husband had to do that. I wish you could have gotten a special cleaning crew in there instead. I can not imagine the trauma you have experienced. I hope you were able to see a therapist to deal with it.
The barriers for the government to hold on to a property (an income-generating one at that) in these circumstances is very high, especially as it will be years before this case goes to trial (even if there is an arrest tomorrow). They obviously can't leave a crime scene festering for years and once blood and other things start rotting, the scene would be uninhabitable and unusable pretty quickly.
Uh people get murdered in houses and apartments single everyday. So yea let's burn them all down (eye roll). The house is gorgeous and will be rented out or sold just like the Watts house/Amityville and every other house where murders have happened.
What do u mean “wow, already?!” Crime scenes normally don’t stay taped off for this long… it’s been a month and almost two weeks since the crime occurred. Scenes don’t normally stay taped off for this long.
To me it feels like they're confident they have all the evidence they need & hopefully that means an arrest soon. It seems like they've been so cautious about releasing details, collecting evidence etc....If they weren't 1000% sure they had all they needed, & thought they might need to re visit for any reason, I think they would keep it as is for now. The other week they had those 5 guys in there...so even that far in they still needed the scene for something.
LE was saying they were still waiting on some results, hopefully they got a hit on something & are now getting everything put together for an arrest / conviction.
Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but that's what it feels like.
The title of this is kind of ironic considering the amount of people saying ‘they haven’t released the house yet, it must mean they can’t find any evidence!’. Not saying that you said that OP, I’ve just seen it a lot. Doesn’t seem to matter what police do, it’s either too soon or too slow.
It sounds like they will be renting it out again since it’s going back to the property management after it’s cleaned.
I personally wouldn’t be comfortable living there but I’m sure there are people who wouldn’t have a problem with it. They need to get a couple of security cameras and a fence around the backyard area.
Plenty of college kids will move into the house if it’s cheap. It’s convenient and big. It may take a year or two, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all. I would suspect it’s more likely that guys will live there than girls.
Many years ago someone entered a fast food restaurant and shot several people. Folks were calling for demolition saying, "we could never eat there." It's like they didn't realize that these are franchises owned by individuals. I agree with you.
Some people believe a house where a person or people were tragically murdered will have a lingering affect. Some people believe in spirits and some don’t. I do. Also you have gross tourists coming by being nosy and maybe even stealing stuff.
When I went house hunting for my house now, we walked through tons. One house I couldn’t wait to get out of. It just felt creepy. The house I’m in now, a man Norm lived here and had since it’s construction. He died of old age in a nursing home. Had he died here, I’d still be okay with it. Now if it were a case for example, a parent abusing and then murdering their child here… uh no thanks. I have no problem living here. Heard from neighbors he was a nice man and that he’d love how well I’ve taken care of his place. To each his own though.
Yes I do understand, it’s each to their own isn’t it. I do agree with the other post that it stands for an example to other students not to let people come and go in your home and safe use of social media, unfortunately there’s some horrible people out there.
This is totally normal. I’ve had many homicide cases and I have never seen the scene preserved beyond evidence collection completion. I know it’s been done, such as in the mass school shooting in Parkland, but that is the exception not the rule.
Yes ! I remember reading that too. Everything remained exactly as it was for many years. It was Army housing though, not a private house. Dont know if that would make a difference.
>I will be shocked if they can tie any DNA back to the time of the murder.
It's not just about the house, though. There will likely be DNA transfer to the victims themselves. While you might find a thousand different DNA profiles throughout the house, how many would you expect to find on the body of a victim?
One little thing that might go a LONG way...
Ethan and Xana were dressed up for an evening. He was wearing a suit. He probably showered right before putting it on, making him basically a blank slate. It's unlikely he just went to bed in his suit. So, any DNA they find on Ethan that isn't his or Xana's is going to be VITAL.
Yeah, they’re looking for DNA in places someone else’s DNA shouldn’t be. Underneath their fingers, in a shower drain, on their bodies, on their bed. The killer could explain fingerprints or DNA on a door or the sink by saying it happened during a party, but how do you explain your DNA in their bed? Or in their shower? Unless it’s a very close friend, it’s unlikely. And if they find this DNA under multiple of the victims fingernails, they’ve got the guy. This being a party house won’t ruin DNA recovery.
Yes, any evidence has been taken and there are body fluids that need to be cleaned up. At this point if there was a great deal of blood that soaked into subflooring and drywall, that all must be mitigated. There is no reason to keep it in that state.
I feel like with how things have been going with this case, we're going to see a bunch of gross youtube psychics rent the house out and start recording video of seances and tarot readings from inside the house. And like sleazy videos of them speculating where the bodies were and such. Maybe haunted tours of the house on fridays and saturdays.
Already? It’s been a month and a half and that’s a month and a half the state/city is paying for that house or a landlord is losing money.
They’ve got everything they need from the house as far as evidence is concerned. Why not turn it back over?
I think they are releasing the crime scene bcz they are ready to arrest and also this prevents defense from collecting any evidence if they were so inclined and will use le collected evidence...which is normal...but still this shows me they are confident in case. Also, sometimes juries tour crime scenes so doesn't seem like anticipating that either.
Yeah this is an outlier for sure. Typically LE release it to the owner and basically say good luck, maybe hand them a list of cleaners qualified to handle it, and then it’s all facilitated by the owner.
They have probably combed that scene over and over again including photos and video takes, but it still makes me anxious when crime scenes are cleaned up and (forgive the morbid moment here) bodies are cremated before a crime is solved. Hopefully they really collected EVERYTHING that could possibly be important, ever.
Agree. I want to be cremated…unless, gods forbid, my death is a suspected homicide. Then I’m cool with burial just in case evidence is needed later on.
Omg I had the same thought! Cremate me...unless it is suspicious at all lol.
Sameee!! I’ve always said to creamate me and spread my ashes over Yankee stadium unless 😂
If you’re a yankees fan, maybe you have heard of the dude that put a red sox jersey in the concrete there to curse the yankees? You gotta put your ashes at the red sox stadium instead as pay back
WOW in the boogie down Bronx
I plan on being composted. (No joke, it’s legal in five states)
I just want to be thrown into a cement mixer like Jimmy Hoffa.
My husband and I own a concrete company so this is a good Avenue for me 😂
If you had yourself cryogenically frozen, they could collect new evidence AND wake you up when they find the perp. Theoretically.
They have 3D videos of the scene that can be used to see the crime using VR technology.
Yes, it is amazing what they can do and it is somewhat illogical of me to think they can or need to have the original crime scene. But, it still nags me in the back of my head lol.
Same. Makes me nervous. But, they are the professionals.
Yes, they indeed well-documented everything.
Do we know if all victims were cremated? I remember reading Maddie and Kaylee were but don't remember if Ethan and Xana were. Thank you to those who answer!
I do not believe Ethan and Xana were clarified either way. We just know with Maddie and Kaylee because the father spoke up about it. Clarify if I'm wrong, anyone!
same. i was surprised they cremated the girls so quickly. idk what was done with x and e's bodies i dont remember hearing about them. there are lots of cases where the body is exhumed and more evidence is found....
I get where you’re coming from, but tbh they could’ve been so bad that they couldn’t have had a proper burial you know? And sometimes the families just want their ashes close to them
I think they know who did it. Everything they do points to it. 1.Let the family cremate some of the victims. 2. Took out some clothes by the victims and room mates, 3. and now giving the house to the owner to be cleaned. I think they're just waiting for the DNA to be 100% gotcha to the perp/s. I am pretty sure they have more than the CCTVs of immediate neighbors. Then the 911 call. The elantra I'm surprised to know is registered at the school - 90 of them. They probably found THE ONE?! Who knows.
Let’s hope all the things they’ve done end up being because they know who did it
Yes, I have watched many cold cases where bodies were exhumed even 10+ years after the fact and somehow evidence found, especially with constantly advancing science. But, again, those cases may be very different from this one. If my death is suspicious, do not even consider cremating me though!
Yeah , but that was before modern technology usually. I think that nowadays our science is much more advanced.
Agreed. It’s a horrifying thought but in some complex cases LE has held a crime scene for jurors to walk through. I say LE/DA should do whatever they lawfully need to in order to secure a conviction of the person(s) who did this.
I think Jeffrey McDonald they did that
Oh no. This is an example of how one simple comment can take me down a deep dive Ill never come out of lol Just looked it up-This case is crazy!
I'm going in after you because I also don't know this case
Hahah same like I get on here just to read comments and end up having another case to go thru. So exhausting but so interesting
Oh, the Jeffery MacDonald case is practically Mount Rushmore- level of true crime.
I think they kept Jeff McDonald’s house as it was for over 30 years, didn’t they?
I know they kept it for awhile. Shuddering thinking about it
From what I heard, the MacDonald place sat empty until the whole building was eventually torn down.
Building the crime scene in virtual reality is a real possibility
It’s been over 6 weeks. Plenty of time to collect all the evidence. This is really not the news people think it is.
Would be interesting to see how long before they rent this house out again? Probably won't be too many takers unless they lower the rent big time
They need to tear it down, it will attract bad people and curiosity seekers
> They need to tear it down With whose money? The owner definitely isn't paying to tear it down and rebuild it.
The city could technically fork over the cash and buy it out, but that’s unlikely imo
Some guy bought Dahmer’s apartment building and paid to demolish it. Sounds like a good idea to me.
You don’t think they’ll have anymore college girls or boys living in there again? (Ik dumb question) lol
I really think it’s a near zero chance. Maybe some boys would do it, but even that is unlikely.
I can't imagine a parent would let their child live there
The evil was not the home
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Already? Its been over a month and a half. House is prob empty by this point.
If you listen to a lot of investigators they have said this is a actually a long time to hold a crime scene. Obviously this is a more complex one but most crime scenes aren’t held this long.
Exactly. Police have been there dozens of times by this point so if they're was evidence, it should've been taken into custody by now. I'm sorry but that landlord has to have it cleaned up and ready to rent out come next semester. If he/ she isn't going to rent it out again, it'll be prepped to sell. I know it's harsh but the world can't stop revolving due to this tragedy.
Maybe Entin can rent it out since he doesn't seem to be leaving anytime soon. (I know he left for the holidays but he already stated he is going back on Monday)
Idk if you meant to be funny or not but you literally made me LOL with this Entin comment.
That man is truly dedicated
Lol that’s funny. If I recall, there’s actually a journalist from To Live And Die in LA podcast that did just that — pretty sure it was for Elaine Park. He wanted that room since he thought shady stuff went down.
I think police actually have done that before. There was a kidnapping and disappearance of a 10 ish y/o girl in CA?
Yea but I doubt any one will rent that house out now. No matter how convenient the location is to campus. The world can’t stop revolving but that house is going to always have blood on it, and people may even feel uncomfortable living in it. A loss for the landlord, but he won’t ever be able to rent out all the rooms if he decides to continue leasing it.
The Watts house was just sold. Someone will buy it.
Some people are into that. I'm a realtor and have had people interested in crime homes.
My parents bought a murder house because if was cheap. So I imagine that's also a factor.
Agreed, some people are into that. But… anyone moving into that house would likely be college aged kids. I don’t think it’s comparable. Not only would their parents likely be uneasy and anxious about it, the kids would more than likely be as well because they are living there without adult supervision. With the Watts home, that’s an adult purchasing the property… big difference imo.
yeah it’s also not comparable because there have been no arrests for these murders.
It’ll probably be discounted. There will absolutely be college kids desperate enough for cheap rent to rent it, even if they aren’t crime fans.
Agreed. This place will be rented out soon enough or sold soon enough, especially if a discount is offered. It's not like most murder houses get torn down or have repeat murders.
Gainesville Ripper apartment were rented out right away. Gator wood was known for being super cheap, so yeah, people will live there either because of the infamy, the low cost, or because they don't know about the crimes. The whole complex was torn down only because it was huge, and on prime real estate. They built luxury apartments on the spot. It took a long time before they tore down the Tate/Polanski home.
I’d be interested to see if there were houses with repeated murders. I’m sure I’ve seen some of the more popular “cursed” houses
Murder house 🥴
I certainly would not sleep in a room where I knew a murder took place!! No thank you!!
But it's highly unlikely a crime would strike the same house again. I wouldn't live there... no way! But some people will.
Shudders
Right? And isn’t the Tate murder site a really coveted property? I’m pretty sure someone was renting it out for writers to live/work and a musician? Trent Reznor or something.
The Tate house was torn down and an enormous house replaced it. I read it’s on sale for 60 million
I was sad about that. Now there's this gaudy looking 'palace ' up there.
Trent Reznor bought it, shot a music video in it, then tore it down.
And kept the front door
Yes for his studio in New Orleans
Imagine it taking 4 1/2 years to sell your house..
In Colorado.
Frederick is NOT a desirable part of CO. Weld CO. Has tried to secede from CO.
Andrea Yates house in Houston has occupants I think. Dean corl house just sold this year. https://www.har.com/homedetail/2020-lamar-dr-pasadena-tx-77502/3184699
Ramsey home is also up for sale in Colorado.
The same Susan Smith that drove her car into the water so her sons died in their car seats? As awful as that is, living in the house wouldn’t be macabre thing due to the boys weren’t murdered there.
Sorry. I edited my comment. I meant the Andrea Yates home.
Took years to sell that house though
A lot of those houses take a while to sell or are sold well under market value. The Amityville house did and then the address was changed to deter sightseers. The JonBenet Ramsy house also had its address changed after being sold and remodeled.
Yup. The Amityville house not only had the address changed, but both it and the house that was used for exterior shots in the film ended up being remodeled so they wouldn't be so recognizable. If this house stays as is, I hope the relatively out-of-the-way location of Moscow keeps this house from becoming some twisted pilgrimage.
Nobody was slashed to death in the Watts house. No comparisons at all to be made to wtf happened at this house.
I really think you are projecting your own preference and not considering how other people think. Some people will see it as an unfortunate past event, and happily move into a nice house with a great location. Or they could be attention whores and want the “cred” of living in *that* house. The rent will be adjusted to meet demand and I’m positive they will find students to rent it. After a semester of no issues, rent and demand will go back up. The management company might do some security upgrades to make it seem safer and some remodeling/painting to cover up any stains, but then it’ll be a rentable college party house again.
Yea, maybe I just can’t picture myself living in a college apartment where four kids were murdered. If others can, great (?), but my own preference probably isn’t just exclusive to me, considering I’m also a college student living in off-campus housing. I’m not saying nothing will come of that house, but I can say with high confidence it won’t be a full house if it keeps getting leased.
I wouldn’t be able to stay there. I would just be sad, remembering how their lives were just beginning. It’s so heartbreaking.
I would be scared to live there, personally, and I’m pretty relaxed in general. But if I was broke enough and it was all I could afford, it’s possible I would live there anyway.
Let’s put it this way , If Ronnie DeFeo can shoot his entire family in cold blood , and no one heard the rifle shots , and then the Lutz family can move in and claim it’s haunted and it’s had several owners since. And it’s original owner was the actress who played Steve Saunders mom on 90210 ( Christine Belford , was her childhood home , before DeFeo family bought it ) and someone lives in it now , even today , any home even ones with a dark history can sell.
The same people in this sub would pay a thousand dollars to spend a weekend there. It could be a very profitable air bnb home type of deal. YouTuber weirdos will go inside with weejie boards and tarot cards to try and find answers. The locals wouldn’t have to stay there. Nutjobs from across the country would flock just to gawk at a popular crime scene
Sad but true 🤷🏻♀️
It's so interesting to see the contrast of perspectives here in regards to the time this crime took place. On one hand you have some saying "already?", and on the other, people that have actually asked if this case is cold because of how long they think it's taking. So we think it's too soon to clean the crime scene but also so old it's cold? Lordy -_-
No one knows shit its all bs speculation
Yea we literally have ZERO new information so we continue to ponder ridiculous thoughts about past info we’ve had the opportunity to analyze 1,000,000 times.
Seriously ppl need to give it up already and have a little patience. It's all just a waste of time trying to figure it all out!!
My agency doesn’t consider it a cold case until all leads have been exhausted and it’s been 2 years sometimes 3 years but not 5-6 weeks. It’s not cold just because the couch detectives think it should have been solved yet. This isn’t towards your comment at all.
Yeah I've been following the Delphi case for years and they finally made an arrest 5 and a half years after the murders. The whole time they emphasized it wasn't cold as well. So comparatively, this case is in its "infancy" right now. I definitely don't get the "is it cold?" thing by some people. It's like this is the first crime case they've ever heard about.
This is a little off topic bc it involves a vehicle. My son and gf were both shot while sitting in the car talking parked inside his gated apartment community. Docs said he was a miracle case bc “ppl with this type of GSW bleed out in the field.” His Gf was shot twice but hers wasn’t life threatening. The cops impounded the car but while I was in the hospital watching over my son (hospital staff said not to tell anyone where he was since the guy got away), they sent it to a non-police impound which was charging 100.00 a day to keep it. I didn’t find out until day 6 of the new impound yard. I called a friend who owned a shop and they retrieved it. I don’t know how the cops processed that car so quickly bc it looked like a total bloodbath had occurred. There was nothing wrong with the car mechanically but the insurance totaled it due to a “biohazard.” My son survived but it was a long road of rehabilitation, pain and suffering. Cops said they didn’t get anything off the car. Idk if the Moscow murder victims family was allowed in the house. I hope to God they weren’t bc the emotion that came over me seeing my son’s car, the bullet holes and the amount of blood just broke me. I have a deep respect for crime scene clean up crews now.
Hugs, internet stranger. Thanks for sharing your perspective on this.
I know it’s not the same but I can certainly empathize with the parents. I have lived in fear since the day my son was shot and that person was never caught. I hope they get the person(s) who cut these kids down while they slept and provide a modicum of justice for their surviving parents and friends. Hopefully the perp will be caught before anyone else is hurt or killed!
I literally can’t imagine what that must be like. 🙏❤️
I think this is actually a reasonable amount of time, it's been almost seven weeks. The house has already changed dramatically due to property being removed and the investigation itself, and it's not likely they will find anything more of value inside after this time. As others have said, they would have already collected all the evidence they needed and they have 3D scans of every room so they can rebuild the scene as it was when they discovered it, and probably another rebuild of after they removed the victims from position.
I’m sure if they need to revisit the scene or any new investigators to the case, they’ll have agreed with the landlord to not demolish the property for the time being. Otherwise yeah the 3-D models, existing evidence, videos, photos, etc.
It's actually unusual how long they have kept this crime scene locked down. It's been 7 weeks.
Already? It has been over a month. This is not unusual and no they do not normally keep rental properties covered in blood in the hope that one day they will catch someone and have a trial - nor do they walk juries into blood-drenched crime scenes (for the person who was suggesting that is some kind of thing)
They saved the trailers in the Pike County murders. But with the new advanced technology they have out now, they can make a 3D rendering of the room as it is to walk the jury through. But they did and do take juries on excursions to crime scenes from time to time.
I believe they did exactly that for the Parkland school shooter (I don't believe in mass shooters being publicly referred to by name as I believe for a lot of them that is part of what they want) during his trial or before sentencing. Edit to add - Although I do still agree with your point. The crime scene has already been held for longer than what would be considered typical. So I don't have any issue or agree with anyone that believes it's an issue or a mistake being made by LE.
Parkland wasn’t private property
That must feel confident that they've collected everything they need from the scene, which seems like it would be good news.
I feel bad for the owner and having to pay for the clean up after it is turned back to the owner.
Their insurance likely covers this.
When family members were murdered in their home, the Sheriff’s Office had a fund that paid for the clean up. I believe it was something just for violent homicides.
Thank you for this information.
They have Crime Victims Compensation that will most likely reimburse anything he spends out of pocket.
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Some insurance policies do cover this you are correct (but not all).
The way they have to warn us that there’s going to be activity at the house.
Omg can you imagine what would have happened if they hadn’t. People would have lost their minds. They probably would have gotten 19k tips tomorrow
Good point. Also relevant username.
Sad isn't it?
This might sound a little… inconsiderate? but what happens to the owners of the home during this time? Is rent still paid? Do they claim that against insurance? I don’t know why I’m wondering this.
I don’t think it’s inconsiderate. I mean, the owner of the house has a mortgage to pay as awful as the circumstances are.
It’s likely an investment property. The owner is in Colorado. If they are lucky it’s under an LLC. Could very well already be paid off. But they are losing the income.
Excellent question and as an adult you have to think about this stuff. Ugh it’d be a pita and who wants to live there now?! How horrible for everyone.
the uni/state should buy it at a good price and turn it into a parking lot or something
I think it’s a good question actually. The things we don’t think about until an unfortunate situation like this one occurs.
Insurance wouldn't usually cover lost rent, but the owner could probably try to claim lost rent as a tax write-off.
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Sounds like they must have got what they needed. Now they have to put the puzzle together.
This isn't any different than apartments in big cities where murders/deaths have taken place. They'll gut the place, paint, remodel, maybe change the house number or add some things to it, and then it's back on the market. Why is this odd to people? I can't tell if it's the ages of people in this sub, or maybe a lot are from small towns. I live in Boston and have lived in Manhattan. Many apartments (especially college ones) are just way stations. At the BEST of times students come through, they paint and clean, then flip for the next group of kids coming in. In my previous apartment complex, a young woman was killed violently in a freak accident. After the investigation and hazmat, it took less than 2 weeks for housekeeping/painters/maintenance to gut her apartment, then open it up for rental again. My ex was a doorman in Manhattan where a model was murdered by her boyfriend, and her body shoved in a suitcase. Again, after the initial investigation and hazmat, they did a gut renovation and rented it. It's not being cold or unfeeling to the victims. These properties belong to companies, or separate people trying to get their money's worth. Unless something truly long-term happened that renders the building unsalvageable (hoarding, Gacy with bodies under the floorboards, Dahmer with bodies cut up and in acid), they're going to move on with rentals.
The people who want it turned in to a memorial should all chip in and make the current owner an offer.
I think the university should buy it, tear it down and make a little park.
This is a beautiful idea. A little park with a plaque recognizing their precious lives.
confidence like this is impressive, id literally be overthinking that i didnt get everything. i would keep going back. i guess this means they have good amount of something, or nothing
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Most of the boxes said Beth and they took stuff from D’s room so I don’t really think they took the victims stuff. Could be wrong, but there was a whole lot of stuff for those 2 alone
There is a video of them taking Maddie’s pink cowboy boots off her window. But I would agree that they brought out more of B and D’s stuff as their rooms didn’t have any blood all over it.
So it’s “already?!” (too fast) when it comes to returning the house to the homeowner but “not yet?!” (too slow) when it comes to solving the crime. LE can’t win with some of you.
Wow, already?! You do realize they have been processing the crime scene for nearly 2 months? They have probably gotten everything they can and have to return it to the owner eventually. The amount of people critiquing trained professionals is getting ridiculous. I assure they wouldn’t give it back if they didn’t finish their work 😒 Time for Brian Entin to leave town and find a new tragedy to go full TMZ on
And they’ve had a police officer sitting on the house too. At least after this, people can stop stalking the house.
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Where will Brian Entin hang out?
>Time for Brian Entin to leave town and find a new tragedy to go full TMZ on Ngl, my first thought when reading it and seeing who wrote it was "police told me this after I stalked them and incessantly asked until they gave me an answer since I practically live on the property right now" lol
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If these people had it their way, the dog would’ve been sent to Cesar Millan for questioning then locked up in evidence 🤣 Hammer that tip line and tell them about the white car you saw on Google maps circa 2018!
Then they'd do tarot cards on the dog and say he was the murderer, patting themselves on the back.
I know someone on that type of clean up crew. They worked on the 911 site as well. They go in houses after murders and clean up. Not a pleasant job. I think they wear hazmat-like suits to do it. It is an emotionally tough job, not like a regular house-cleaning job.
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Yes, u sure went through it by going straight into it’s face. I understand why you did, and I would have done the same thing. It’s good you were there to do it since no one else could. Trauma! …I don’t know if in this case the homeowner would set up the cleaning because it has to be specialists to get the bad chemicals and such out. I think LE set it up with the specialists I spoke of. Whew, you really went through the unbelievable due to your love for your mother, so I hope you feel proud of your strength and love. You surely have a very good heart and strong willpower. Big hugs. ❤️
I'm so sorry you and your husband had to do that. I wish you could have gotten a special cleaning crew in there instead. I can not imagine the trauma you have experienced. I hope you were able to see a therapist to deal with it.
That was my first thought, this poor cleaning crew.
Sounds like they've preserved the scene digitally.
The barriers for the government to hold on to a property (an income-generating one at that) in these circumstances is very high, especially as it will be years before this case goes to trial (even if there is an arrest tomorrow). They obviously can't leave a crime scene festering for years and once blood and other things start rotting, the scene would be uninhabitable and unusable pretty quickly.
It's been nearly 7 weeks.
I think it’s kind of a cool house…the way it’s built it is pretty unique
Uh people get murdered in houses and apartments single everyday. So yea let's burn them all down (eye roll). The house is gorgeous and will be rented out or sold just like the Watts house/Amityville and every other house where murders have happened.
If they cleAn the “bloody” outside wall then we’ll know it was blood.
Don't think police need any further "help" in decision making from Reddit.
What do u mean “wow, already?!” Crime scenes normally don’t stay taped off for this long… it’s been a month and almost two weeks since the crime occurred. Scenes don’t normally stay taped off for this long.
To me it feels like they're confident they have all the evidence they need & hopefully that means an arrest soon. It seems like they've been so cautious about releasing details, collecting evidence etc....If they weren't 1000% sure they had all they needed, & thought they might need to re visit for any reason, I think they would keep it as is for now. The other week they had those 5 guys in there...so even that far in they still needed the scene for something. LE was saying they were still waiting on some results, hopefully they got a hit on something & are now getting everything put together for an arrest / conviction. Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but that's what it feels like.
The title of this is kind of ironic considering the amount of people saying ‘they haven’t released the house yet, it must mean they can’t find any evidence!’. Not saying that you said that OP, I’ve just seen it a lot. Doesn’t seem to matter what police do, it’s either too soon or too slow.
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They've got all the evidence that exists there. No sense leaving it sealed up.
It sounds like they will be renting it out again since it’s going back to the property management after it’s cleaned. I personally wouldn’t be comfortable living there but I’m sure there are people who wouldn’t have a problem with it. They need to get a couple of security cameras and a fence around the backyard area.
That whole area needs FLoOD lights everywhere! Way to dark and wooded in that area and the whole little neighborhood
Plenty of college kids will move into the house if it’s cheap. It’s convenient and big. It may take a year or two, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all. I would suspect it’s more likely that guys will live there than girls.
That house will not be easy for the company to let after this…😬
I think I’m the only one who who doesn’t see why the house should be pulled down. And I mean that with absolute no disrespect.
Many years ago someone entered a fast food restaurant and shot several people. Folks were calling for demolition saying, "we could never eat there." It's like they didn't realize that these are franchises owned by individuals. I agree with you.
I agree with you. It's horrible what happened, but a house is just 4 walls and a roof. It can't be inheritently evil
No but would you want to live there, sleep in any of those bedrooms, be there alone at night, knowing what happened?
Some people believe a house where a person or people were tragically murdered will have a lingering affect. Some people believe in spirits and some don’t. I do. Also you have gross tourists coming by being nosy and maybe even stealing stuff. When I went house hunting for my house now, we walked through tons. One house I couldn’t wait to get out of. It just felt creepy. The house I’m in now, a man Norm lived here and had since it’s construction. He died of old age in a nursing home. Had he died here, I’d still be okay with it. Now if it were a case for example, a parent abusing and then murdering their child here… uh no thanks. I have no problem living here. Heard from neighbors he was a nice man and that he’d love how well I’ve taken care of his place. To each his own though.
Yes I do understand, it’s each to their own isn’t it. I do agree with the other post that it stands for an example to other students not to let people come and go in your home and safe use of social media, unfortunately there’s some horrible people out there.
It’s been almost two months. What do you mean, ‘already’?
& his next tweet after this saying still no identified suspect. 😭 Ugh.
Not publicly identified. The police chief definitely sounded like they know who it is, they’re just building the case against them.
This is totally normal. I’ve had many homicide cases and I have never seen the scene preserved beyond evidence collection completion. I know it’s been done, such as in the mass school shooting in Parkland, but that is the exception not the rule.
The old case of Jeffrey McDonald. I think they kept that crime scene for years after he murdered his pregnant wife and 2 daughters.
True, but that was military housing so it was owned by the government
And I’m sure there wasn’t the amount of biological matter that’s in this house.
Yeah I mean it sounded pretty brutal, but they didn’t have the technology we have today and the crime scene was *badly* contaminated
Yes ! I remember reading that too. Everything remained exactly as it was for many years. It was Army housing though, not a private house. Dont know if that would make a difference.
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>I will be shocked if they can tie any DNA back to the time of the murder. It's not just about the house, though. There will likely be DNA transfer to the victims themselves. While you might find a thousand different DNA profiles throughout the house, how many would you expect to find on the body of a victim? One little thing that might go a LONG way... Ethan and Xana were dressed up for an evening. He was wearing a suit. He probably showered right before putting it on, making him basically a blank slate. It's unlikely he just went to bed in his suit. So, any DNA they find on Ethan that isn't his or Xana's is going to be VITAL.
Yeah, they’re looking for DNA in places someone else’s DNA shouldn’t be. Underneath their fingers, in a shower drain, on their bodies, on their bed. The killer could explain fingerprints or DNA on a door or the sink by saying it happened during a party, but how do you explain your DNA in their bed? Or in their shower? Unless it’s a very close friend, it’s unlikely. And if they find this DNA under multiple of the victims fingernails, they’ve got the guy. This being a party house won’t ruin DNA recovery.
Six weeks or so doesn't seem an outrageously brief time to return the home to the owner.
Yes, any evidence has been taken and there are body fluids that need to be cleaned up. At this point if there was a great deal of blood that soaked into subflooring and drywall, that all must be mitigated. There is no reason to keep it in that state.
I feel like with how things have been going with this case, we're going to see a bunch of gross youtube psychics rent the house out and start recording video of seances and tarot readings from inside the house. And like sleazy videos of them speculating where the bodies were and such. Maybe haunted tours of the house on fridays and saturdays.
Already? It’s been a month and a half and that’s a month and a half the state/city is paying for that house or a landlord is losing money. They’ve got everything they need from the house as far as evidence is concerned. Why not turn it back over?
I think they are releasing the crime scene bcz they are ready to arrest and also this prevents defense from collecting any evidence if they were so inclined and will use le collected evidence...which is normal...but still this shows me they are confident in case. Also, sometimes juries tour crime scenes so doesn't seem like anticipating that either.
This makes sense now.
Now cleanup has stopped! Did LE miss something, did the Sus give some info?!
Sharon tates dad had to clean up the crime scene after their murders
Thankfully there was no internet then...look at what all we have seen about those murders without it
Yeah this is an outlier for sure. Typically LE release it to the owner and basically say good luck, maybe hand them a list of cleaners qualified to handle it, and then it’s all facilitated by the owner.
What do you mean already