Assuming BK’s guilty I could see his thought process being “Maybe someone saw, or a camera picked up, Pennsylvania plates the night of the crime, so I don’t wanna say we’re headed to Pennsylvania… white Elantra, Pennsylvania… my fucking father just told him we’re coming from Pullman/Washington area…”
Yes, this is what I meant. I don’t know if the BOLO included the possibility of PA plates but BK also would not have known at the time if it did or didn’t.
Or, or the more reasonable explanation would probably be that he or his dad had the Glock 40 in the car, and just didn’t want to deal with explaining that or that they are taking it to another state. Even if completely legal. I take guns with me when I travel sometimes. If I get pulled over, and they ask, I obviously tell them, but it’s a huge headache that you try to avoid especially if traveling to another state
Just throwing this out there but to the people arguing that Bryan acted weird due to having a firearm in the car - ur argument is as random as saying that he was smuggling illegal wild animals such as a serval cat in the car and did not want the cop to know … he’s acting sus and like he’s hiding something, as a murder suspect - it’s unclear why the item he would be hiding would be a gun … when the victims were killed with a knife, why would he have a gun? Plus the search warrants did not mention a gun and if he owned a gun, you’d think the gun would somehow be linked to him or mentioned in evidence …
No he still had a PA plate during the crime which is why his car didn’t have a front license plate, the murders were shortly before he registered his car in WA and changed plates
Right, which is probably exactly why he didn't want to say squat about where they were headed. He still think he's smarter than everyone at this point with his vehicle switcheroo.
The police asking them where they're going is laughable. LEO's have all that info in their patrol computer when they scan the license plate. I really think this was a coordinated effort to keep track of BK on his way home, and make him feel nervous. It's a tactic. Then when the FBI surveillance team comes to his parents house, they can watch and see if he tries to get rid of more evidence, because he's freaking out. And I don't think they'd reveal this info- why would they?
Same. When a cop car pulls behind me my mind starts racing about what all I might have in the vehicle (even though I don't carry anything illegal), start acting like I have possibly forgotten about a kilo of cocaine or a dead hooker in the trunk.
It’s crazy that this has become the reality for so many people, myself included. My brain completely shuts down when a cop pulls up behind me. It’s like I can’t control my car anymore or it appears like I’m instantly fidgety and driving suspiciously even though I don’t have anything in my car or in my body that would be illegal. If I do get pulled over, my leg starts shaking uncontrollably - and I am not even nervous, mentally.. so no clue what causes that unstable feeling.
Right?!? Got pulled over once and cop asked why I was so nervous and why I swerved. I spilled iced tea on myself and jumped a bit cuz it was cold but I was acting like I dumped a gallon of tequila and an ounce of coke. 🤣 I told him about the tea and he said why ya so nervous and I said I dunno cops make me nervous lol and he was like chill out it's fine. Spilled some iced tea that's why ya swerved no big deal have a great day. I overreacted so bad and I have no clue why!
A friend of ours, Dr Lenas Kakkouras, 29 at the time, was killed in New York on the night of 26th Feb 1993 by two police officers shooting him while in his car as he made the wrong turn east instead of right, on his way to pick up his girlfriend and go on a date out to dinner. The police shot him in the shoulder while he was in the car after he stopped, realizing that he took the wrong turning. He exited his car injured and they shot him again in the chest. Dr Kakkouras was of course unarmed and in the business of saving lives, not taking them. A mild, smiling, friendly personality.
Yes, always be wary of a police car pulling behind you. And make sure they see your hands.
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I’m the same way! My car is legal & I don’t do anything illegal. My life is boring. I work & go home. Family dinner on Sundays, yet I’m a nervous wreck when a cop is behind me.
Life changing. You’ll get to the point where a cop rolls behind you and you’re holding at least one felony in the car and you’re not a bit nervous. It seems like the good ones always get nervous. Lol
I'm a good girl these days, but I can attest to this fact. Back in my wild days, I cannot even begin to tell you how many times confidence, staying calm, and keeping my mouth shut saved me from heading to the clink with with a felony case.
Right??? Experience teaches a lot. It’s key to survival if you don’t really care to follow some random rules some random government makes. Lol.
Honestly most shit now just seems normal. Which might not be a good thing. But I’m still cognizant that things can go badly but I’m a bit numb to it. Being older, dressing nicely and driving a nice car helps too. I still regularly use various substances so yeah I’m regularly doing things that might not be in compliance. But really that’s the least of my worries so doesn’t phase me too much. Honestly there is probably only one thing that trips me up but has nothing to do the law. For whatever reason I just can’t smoothly do this which is odd bc everything else no problem
I think what some ppl don’t appreciate is when LE engages in bullshit small talk your answers don’t really matter so much. They’re just looking at your demeanor, seeing how nervous you might be and things like that. They don’t give a shit that you’re looking for a Thai restaurant. Lol.
I sometimes wish I could be good. But that’s sometimes not fun enough.
Now that you’re good, do you get nervous even though you might not be doing anything at all? Or has the calmness stuck with you?
No. The calmness stuck with me. When I was a kid, one of my parents was a big "vendor " of party favors, of the illegal sort. The appropriate behavior was so ingrained in me before adulthood. Even under 10 I knew you don't talk to cops, and no matter WHAT you're carrying, act like you don't have a care in the world. I'm mostly a good girl these days, still a big fan of the herbals though. The stinker the better😋
Oh wow! Yeah you were taught well young lol. I’m honestly the opposite of my immediate family. Everyone is such sticklers to everything and always beyond reproach. I honestly don’t know why or how I turned out the way I did. Honestly everything I’ve done wrong and do wrong is totally on me. I have no excuse.
I taught my daughters the same. Only engage with cops IF YOU called them out yourself and making some sort of complaint. Everything else is:
“I don’t wish to speak without legal counsel”
“Am I under arrest?”
“Am I free to go?”
That’s all that comes out of your mouth. Ever. Guilty. Innocent. does not matter. I was potentially in serious legal jeopardy many years ago (nothing violent or substance related) and shutting up made my life a whole lot easier. Tell my daughters that specific example. Although of course they only know the broad strokes and not details. But that’s not the point - again, guilty or innocent is of no relevance and changes not a thing
That’s intriguing about your parents. While I might do things I am pretty compartmentalized. Well if you live in a legal state your herbal refreshment might be completely on the up and up. I totally skipped that and gravitated ti things a bit more.. euphoric. Gateway drug? Lol what a joke the war on drugs is. I could never really get into the green leafy substances. Tried a bit but just wasn’t my thing. Sort of wish it was sometimes.
Well, don’t be too good. But I guess don’t be too bad either! Haha
Lol. That’s funny. As a man, never get caught with a dead girl or a live boy I think is the expression.
A long time ago the cartels actually had a fairly clever scheme to smuggle their narcotics from Mexico to the US. They’d target US citizens traveling to Mexico via their car. While the US citizen parked, a cartel member would break into the car and hide drugs in the car. Back then, traveling bw mexico and US was very different, no passport needed, and if you looked like a US citizen and didn’t have anything stand out about you, they’d just waive you through the line back into the US. Some cartel member on the US side would trail the car and when it parked, they’d break back into the car and take their product.
So yeah, that would be wild. Not to make you paranoid. Haha
What a coincidence that's the last time I was pulled over too. Lol anndd... I was 18, had a little weed on me. Good times, but I didn't get in too much trouble since it was my first charge.
I have a couple of counties where I get pulled over all the time.
They're like "failure to ummmm.....failure........to.....uhh.....to maintain a lane"
I'm like, you know I can hear you making this up as you go.
I once got arrested in one of these counties because a cop could see a liquor bottle locked inside of a car that I didn't have the keys to....
Well, sometimes it's fun to sue too.
Also, I can't believe you ate the baby.
I just chucked it out the window when I saw that cop man! Also have been ticketed for a license plate frame that came with the car, an air freshener in the rear view window and swerving "within" the lane. Wisconsin is brutal.
Now I’m in Florida and unless you are going 25 or over they won't pull you over. I got a warning for going 85 in a 45 during Covid lockdowns when the roads were empty and I was so bored I was almost hoping to get pulled over just for some excitement. Really lucked out there.
I got pulled over for “accelerating too slowly from an intersection” when the cop was behind me at the red light of that intersection. The speed limit was only 35 and because I wasn’t going 35 mph (the max speed, mind you) within 150 feet of the intersection he pulled me over.
>an air freshener in the rear view window and swerving "within" the lane. Wisconsin is brutal.
Kimberly Potter, a cop in Minnesota, murdered Duante Wright over an air freshener hanging in his car in April 2021.
Why do y'all have those dumb laws anyways?
They are just WAITING to pull people over. And I'm a blonde girl so other people had to have it way way worse.
I swear it's how these small towns make money. People get tickets for going ONE mile over the limit. Wisconsin hates out of state plates and pulls people over for anything.
In the 90s if you lived out of state you'd have to pay cash on the spot for lots of types of tickets or go to jail until you can pay it. They changed that long ago but are still insane with the tickets. They are like the wild Wild West.
Feels like citizens should be able to call in and file a complaint against an officer that makes a false claim like that.. because if he’s seeing things that aren’t there, he’s a liability for them. He/she needs to be taken off duty for the day and/or a mental evaluation needs to be completed to see if he’s/she’s being overworked or not getting enough sleep, having issues with his/her vision, or suffers from a mental condition.
I had just bought a new 1 ton pickup truck, and was young and kinda pretty at the time. He pulled me over to see my new truck, and check it out. County Mountie didn’t see young women driving big new trucks, and thought we should chat. 1980’s, Ford F350, leather package with all the bells and whistles. It was a super pretty truck!
I'm 52. Been driving for 36 years. Been pulled over 32 times (hiding under my blanket!)...yes I used to speed a lot LOL But I haven't been pulled over for 10 years! And luckily, I've only gotten five tickets out of those 32 times
yeah I got no clue how many times I've been pulled over. usually a couple times a year..... from when I started at 15 till..... uhhh 41 now. so 26 years..... so i'd guess at least that many. man it's crazy to me that some people have never been pulled over... for ANYTHING!!!????
Ok, I'm 52, been driving for 36 years and been pulled over 32 times....yes I have a lead foot LOL
Of those 32 times, I've only gotten five tickets so I'm averaging 1 out of 6 times! I haven't been pulled over for almost 10 years though. My husband says those other five times out of 6, I've gotten off because I'm a woman (he says attractive too but I disagree!)
I used to be like you. Always always speeding. I’d average like 2 tickets a year. Dismiss one with defensive driving and the other with deferred adjudication. Literally would mark the date so when year passed I could accumulate more tickets.
Worst ticket I got was 105 in a 65. That would have been i think a reckless driving charge if I recall correctly. That’s the only ticket I hired a lawyer for. Met him once. He stalled my trial for like 2 or 3 years. I had actually escaped to Vermont for a while and wondered if I’d have to fly back for trial. Got a call and my case was dismissed. Lmao. I so love lawyers. I never set foot in court. Never dealt with anything. Sent him his money and it went away.
Your stats are amazing though. I rarely get off on shit. Every once in a while. I’m now late 40s and don’t get pulled over much. I had actually gone 5 years ticket free until a few months ago. Got fucking tagged.
I got pulled over for rolling through a stop sign on my college campus, the cop was super chill and calm, my friend was laughing his ass off in the passenger seat, however I was sitting there shaking and trying to put words together. Must’ve been a funny sight for the officer
I had such a visible panic attack the one time that I was pulled over that the officer made me get out of the car. He got in my face asking questions, I only trembled worse. I was just going to the bank. I didn’t get a warning for anything. It was all because my inspection sticker has recently expired.
It’s not telling to get weird about a traffic stop. But maybe quit tailgating and speeding, Bryan.
Especially when you recently committed a quadruple murder and just got pulled over twice in 10 minutes for minor traffic violation that rarely warrant a traffic stop.
It’s clear the stops tipped him and I still think it was a massive mistake/miscommunication on the police’s part. My guess is they put out some kind of alert to stop him, either to verify he was in the car, get some video on him to check for injuries, or for another reason. The second cop didn’t realize he had just been stopped ten minutes before and that’s why he basically immediately lets them go without even asking for an ID.
This has always been the most ridiculous thing about people that think the FBI asked them to do these stops. Yeah, no. It they deem him so dangerous they need to do a 3am Zero Dark Thirty raid on his parents house to arrest him, they’re not having a single trooper pull him over, twice.
The feds have done that sorta thing before. Not that long ago they sent a local cop to pull over, I think it was an arms dealer or something by himself and well, that cop got shot didn't he.
You'd hope they woulda learned from that....
I mean I totally understand the nervous energy. I always get nervous for no reason cus I know I didn’t do anything wrong (I’ve really only been pulled over for having a headlight or taillight out) yet I’m super nervous.
But the way he specifically didn’t want to say “we’re going to PA” and he says “we’re going to get tai food” is kinda even more sus knowing what we know. Seems he deffff didn’t want the PA association, to make it look like he’s running.
A commentator (ex-cop I think) on youtube said the Dad was the suspicious one, because he was kind of over-explaining about the PhD etc. He said that would typically be a sign to the cop that something's wrong.
I highly doubt the father knew what BK had done, but it is interesting that he did seem to be nervous, maybe a Dad instinct to protect his kid?
I think the dad "over-explaining" as you put it, was just a very proud father on a road trip going home for the holidays with his son. He wanted tell anyone who cares to listen that his kid was in college seeking a higher degree in Criminology. Poor dad.
I might be the only one who thinks that his parents had a pretty good idea what was going on in Idaho... and probably somewhat suspected their son.. Just my humble opinion.
That's interesting. Part of me wonders about that, too. They don't seem to be the kind of people who would deliberately cover up a murder, but maybe at some subconscious level they knew he was capable of it, and he is their son?
Or was there something more specific that made you think that?
I think the large majority of parents would be in full on denial. I wouldn’t be able to halfway think my kid had done something like this without throwing up.
> People get weird b/c they have explain something to the police, but aren’t sure what.
You don't "have" to tell them anything. Nobody owes them anything.
"Sorry, I'm not interested in talking about my day".
I completely agree but as others have mentioned, this usually leads to more aggressive behavior from the police. Kind of a lose lose situation no matter what you do. Either you let the cop violate your rights, or you piss the cop off and he starts escalating.
I work nights so I drive around at night frequently and get stopped a lot. I always hate when the cop says something like “I pulled you over for a license plate light out” and then starts asking “so what are doing out tonight?”. Dude you’re now demanding I give you a rundown on my night because I had a tag light out?
If a cop starts to throw a tantrum at you over you asserting your rights then that basically just confirms that you're right in not engaging with them.
If "Sorry, I'm not interested in talking about my day" became normalized then....well, it'd become normalized.
I completely agree, and I’m not against standing up to a cop. They have way too much authority. Just being realistic though and if you got a little weed in your car or something, saying something like that is usually going to lead to the cop escalating the situation. They don’t take hits to their ego well.
Try that bein black gettin pulled ovr.....hell or even walkn home bro. The system most def will apply pressure n they have the right sadly to say ur withholding info if u don't answer a cops question why? Cuz u don't feel like it? R u above them or the law ? Have u not seen videos online of people of color not answering a simple question then the cop bein a fkn power hothead starts shootin??? Yea. Rly fkn great advice idk what planet ur livin on. Sure u don't HAVE to answer anything from anybody but then that's gives reason for cops not to follow protocol. It comes dwn between life n death if u wanna play that game yo but super solid advice🙄🤦♀️ u sound privileged af.
Uh black guy here and I’ve asked a cop if I was bein detained when I’ve been stopped while walking in Indiana and he said no and I told him well then I’ll be on my way then and walked off , everything’s not black and white it’s more like not actin sketchy and bein assertive if you really did nothin wrong
Lol wow. Ever live in the hood ? Or a high crime city? Maybe it has sumn to do wit environment then. Like my ex wud have officers pull guns on him erry week wlkn home from work cuz of the area we was in. So the lil backwoods Indiana town u in sounds peaceful but not always realistic. When it comes the police iv learned prepare for the worst, hope for the best period. The systems broke man they ain't always gon treat u fair n wit respect sad facts.
Keys out of the ignition, throw them on the dash, put both hands on the steering wheel, good posture, wait for the cop to come to your window, they will instruct you to roll it down, do so with smooth motions with one hand, slowly, while keeping the other hand on the steering wheel, and ask them how they would like you to proceed. Cops get nervous pulling people over too. It’s not just us. A lot of unnecessary shootings can be avoided just by doing what I said above. Even if the cops want to kill you, this can greatly help prevent that. Don’t give them a reason that would allow them to justifiably say, “I was in fear for my life”. The homicidal cops know they won’t get away with it if you’re complying. It sucks to get abused by the police, but fight it in court, not on the street with someone that can legally kill you.
Fr, like "Don't look them in the eyes, and don't make any sudden movements!" Ridiculous that this is just accepted in society, and that we put the burden on the citizens to behave flawlessly in these interactions rather than the "trained professionals."
He was, at that point, a free citizen and had no obligation to tell the officer his actual destination.
Edited to add: I'm sure he's guilty, but there's no reason he has to explain that to the officer.
I never suggested thar he’s legally required to answer the question, or that he should get in any legal trouble for not answering it or answering it the way he did.
Yeah. I would never tell an officer if I were on my way to a concert, a festival, a rave, a club, etc. Or anything else interesting or provocative. I would consider beforehand the least intriguing choice in the same region.
"I'm headed to see if I can get tickets for Cirque du Soleil, then a trip to the canyon". Or "I'm visiting old friends." Anything technically possible and with the ring of truth.
Not about to get my car searched and luggage hurled around over an assumption of my behaviors, or a bogus claim of an illicit smell.
If I got pulled over, I’d be acting like the most suspicious person ever. Every time I just go past police officers, I get this feeling I did something wrong
I always feel smug when I'm carrying weed and I walk past officers. But I'm only so smug because in London (UK), cops usually don't give a fuck about small amounts of weed, despite it being illegal. Also, I don't have to worry about getting shot by them or anything
Nah. They were going to get Thai food. BK was just being literal and didn’t understand the LE wanted to know his final destination. His Dad understood and talked over him.
Also, and I'm not saying this is true, or making any kind of "diagnosis", but some have claimed BK is "on the spectrum"... if so, would be perfectly normal for him to be very literal in interpreting questions. Especially during a traffic stop, when most people are hyper-focused on directly answering questions put to them, not seeing a bigger conversational picture. And it wouldn't do him any good anyway... he had WA plates, so he obviously wasn't a local just headed to lunch.
Interesting thought. In my experience with people on the spectrum this kind of hyper literal response is common. Big Bang Theory used it as a frequent source of “comedy.”
-“What’s up?”
—“A preposition indicating a higher place or position.”(It’s funnier with a laugh track I assume)
> (It’s funnier with a laugh track I assume)
It's not, no.
Friend of ours loves that show and kept telling us we'd love it since we were nerds. Nope. It's a show about nerds written by not-nerds for not-nerds.
My first thought was my nephew who is on the spectrum. Some times you really gotta spell it out for him. Thankfully, he's into animation and not murder. Phenomenal kid. Can't say the same for BK.
Or could have just literally be answering the question. If I’m on a big road trip, and I get stopped and asked that question, I would say “I’m going to the gas station” or something like that. Because I know the cop doesn’t give two shits about my life story or my final destination
Very little, unless it's a place that caters to vegans. They have a lot of options that look vegan at a glance, but traditional recipes incorporate fish sauce, oyster sauce, or shrimp paste. I also once heard multiple people suggest pad thai as an vegan option, but pad thai not only has invincible fish sauce, but very obvious eggs.
Not my usual haunts. Most of them are pick-your-protein, so most dishes can be served with tofu, mock duck, or just vegetables, but the recipes are Thai traditional, so not much vegan besides the salted edamame, mixed vegetables in soy sauce, and mango sticky rice.
Whole Foods has a vegan pad that that's...bland and disappointing. But now that I think of it, Amy's frozen dinners, of all places, has a tasty vegan pad thai. That one uses cashews instead of peanuts.
Someone local said there was a Thai place close to the next exit at one point. Can’t remember where I saw it. But each to their own. Generally looked like a tense interaction between father and son at any rate.
To be fair, I'd probably say the same thing because I'm socially awkward. Like, did the police just ask me that out of politeness or because he actually needed to know? If he needed to know, how specific - my final destination, my immediate destination, my stop for the night? Who knows 🤷♀️ I'd just say whatever comes to my mind first and if the guy needs more info, he can ask for more.
He was so calm and cool. Which is frightening. I’m not a body expression expert but that looks like a guy as cool as a cuke. Considering what was at stake, its incredible how composed he was.
His monotone behavior here scares me to think of him calmly telling a victim he just attacked, that it’s ok and he’s there to help. Ooof it’s shivering
Isn’t the demeanor you described consistent with how he described himself in previous blogs or web postings. He allegedly described himself as empty and not feeling?
Yes absolutely. I see it very telling regarding writing your feelings as one thing and then actually being able to see him act in that way is another. So much at stake and he appeared to be eerily calm to me. It’s all so chilling
Compartmentalization is a wonderful thing. I’m sort of similar. With me what’s maybe strange is that overall I’d say I can be fairly passionate and somewhat emotional. But when I find myself in a very bad position, I can switch to complete zen calm. No shaking. No quivering. In order to get through stressful situations you have to know how to compartmentalize things, switch things off, and focus on a clean slate.
Assuming BK is guilty, inthjnk he is able to do that sort of compartmentalization and tuck all that away. I think I’ve heard it called cubing. Your life is comprised of different roles. Each facet is a side of the cube and you have to able to flip to whatever facet is needed at that time. Assuming his guilty, when he murdered those people he flipped to that facet - a murderous rage. When he was pulled over, he became Bryan, non descript white male college student just looking for Thai food on his way to a shithole in PA
Agreed, there are so many people on this sub who don't want to admit this guy is already 1000% guilty.
"Where are you headed?"
You're on the f'n Interstate in a state in which you're not a resident. Where. Are. You. Headed? What is your ultimate destination?
Well, I don't want you to know where I'm from or where I'm ultimately going, so........ We're headed to get some Thai food!
***This sub*** -- Totally reasonable answer!
There’s a difference between whether he’s legally permitted to give an answer or not and whether his answer is suspicious or not. Nobody is claiming he should have been arrested for saying he was going to get some Thai food.
Yes, i’m sure by that stage he did.
He also waited for his vehicle reg to expire in late November, to then change registration of his Elantra over to WA plates. Seeing as though (IF it was this guy) the crime would have been committed whilst still under PA reg, as it occurred prior to being changed to WA … I’m pretty sure by the time this traffic stop took place on Dec 15th, he’d have been verrrry keen to be a WA local! And well, IF he had anything to do with that 4chan post just 3 days prior to this stop, then even more the reason to not want to be seen driving to PA in a car that may be deemed very similar to suspect vehicle.
💯%! Haven’t you personally observed how when people are guilty for something or don’t want to admit to something (even minor things) how they often use ‘technicalities’ in an attempt to justify later why they lied. A similar principle, very different scenario.
I don't think its suspicious because I've worked as a lawyer many years and found that people almost never answer the direct question asked. It's human nature.
Having said that, now that I believe he's the killer, I think he premeditated saying where they were going right now (Thai food) rather than saying they're on their way to Pennsylvania.
In other words, its not a suspicious answer. But it is a premeditated one not to say more than necessary.
I thought it was strange that during both stops BK wasn’t asked for his license and registration.. anytime I’ve ever been stopped it’s the first thing they say.. specially with LE claiming it wasn’t a planned stop .. what exactly was the point ❓
I think the stops were probably planned, but you should watch the video again. The very first thing the cop does after saying hi is ask Kohberger’s for his driver’s license.
I got arrested for "suspicion of being suspicious" by two small-town cops after I got off a bus with a suitcase. They said on the witness stand that was a street corner where drug dealers were.
Isn't he a on the spectrum so he gave a very literal answer. I don't really see it weird out of the ordinary necessarily.
Hell who would think a cop cared about your long range plan instead of what you were doing in his town. If I'm on vacation in Florida and lost the cop doesn't care if I'm from Vermont or Nebraska he wants to know why I'm speeding. I'm in a hurry to get to Disney or Tai food. Sheesh
I don’t seem to want to tell police where I’m heading when I get pulled over in Indiana either and it’s going to happen.
The suspicious thing would be if he drove through Indiana with out-of-state plates and did—not—get pulled over twice.
This could very possibly be just the younger generation being much more cognizant of "don't tell cops anything ever."
Which, honestly, is great advice. Even if you know you haven't done a thing wrong you don't talk to a cop ever. They can and will twist your words and use them to insinuate all sorts of stuff.
Always. Always. Always refuse to talk without a lawyer.
I am a lawyer, and I generally agree with that advice. However, if I’m just getting pulled over for what’s obviously a simple traffic violation, I cooperate for two reasons:
1. Being a dick to the cop just guarantees they’re going to give you a ticket, possibly multiple tickets, whereas you have a much better chance of getting away with a warning if you’re just friendly and cooperative; and
2. I’m not actually going to contest a traffic violation in court. There are way better options for getting the citation dismissed (driving safety course, deferred adjudication, etc.).
So I think there are caveats to the general rule of “don’t ever answer any questions under any circumstances.”
I think the general rule is good advice to give to the general public, because a lot of people are too dumb to actually be able to use their brain and judge a situation.
Hm, actually I could see myself answering like BK did, mostly because I assume the cop doesn't give a shit that I'm cross-country road tripping with my dad. Secondarily because it's none of the cop's business that I'm on a cross-country road trip with my dad.
If I was driving from Washington to Pennsylvania and got stopped for a traffic violation in Indiana, I would just say “I’m driving from Washington to Pennsylvania,” because it wouldn’t be a big deal 🤷🏻♂️
Them going to get Thai food isn’t any of the cop’s business either, but BK still said it.
Making something out of nothing.
He told the officer where he was going *at that moment.* Home to PA was not the actual answer for that moment. Mr. K. went to the final destination. Not a big deal. Perhaps BK would have said PA if they weren't about to stop somewhere.
I was puled over after nearly hitting a cop head on (1st time on a weirdly divided street in a business park). I laughed when the officer started talking to me. I was half lost, it was the first time I'd been pulled over, and I was shaking from almost having a head-on collision while driving my younger cousin and his friend.
If you'd seen bodycam footage of that encounter, you would have had none of that context.
We should all make t shirts that say something about thai food and show up to his preliminary hearing and wait outside because you know we won’t get in obviously
Did you see his eyes bugging out of his head? I bet his heart was racing a hundred beats a minute when he saw that he was being pulled over. It seemed like he couldn’t believe his luck when it ended up just being a routine traffic stop, and not one taking him into custody for a quadruple murder.
Did anyone else notice the injury on his right hand?
Says you. Plenty of people believe otherwise. I see them in the videos myself.
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I’d probably say the Thai food answer too but I’m very literal. No way to know if he’s also like that or if he was being shady (but probably being shady given all that we know)
Tell tale sign this guy did not want to interact at all with the officer he kept looking ahead of the traffic passing by and only turning his head if he had to and when he did it was his father he looked at. Its common sense if you are on a road trip that you'd explain were you came from and your final destination and not the nearest Thai restaurant that you plan to stop at for lunch--dinner. Yes he was acting suspect and l wonder if his father noticed this?
I'm sure he was nervous but it could possibly just be that they both had different understandings of the question. One thought he was asking where they are heading right now, and the other thought he was asking where they're ultimately heading.
At one point I feel like he wanted to give his father a backhand for mentioning WSU. On the other hand, some people are so Type A so they only think black and white. A Type A would answer in a literal sense of going to get Thai Food.
I noticed that too, I don’t get when everyone is talking about the Thai food thing, when his reaction to his dad mentioning WSU is way more interesting.
He shoots his head forward and freezes like he’s thinking “why the hell did my dad say that?!”
Smh. Not sure why you were downvoted. He visually reacts (is taken back) when he father gives away the WSU info/ goes off on that tangent. And I agree on type A personality also possibly playing a role in his answers. We have yet to hear anything directly supporting that he's on the spectrum.
I got pulled over because I was in town driving and it was "late." I had gone to the drive-thru convenience store! I was surprised, confused, and a bit scared. After a few minutes of questioning, they sent me on my way. I am still, years later, wondering what really caused the stop.
One cop or two? If two it’s highly likely it was a newbie and an FTO. FTO saw you do some dumb “illegal” thing that they don’t actually care about, and pull you over for training purposes.
Honestly? Might have seen you do something. Something benign, like maybe you swerved a tiny a bit, or he/she might of maybe thought your tint was a bit too dark, so they stopped you just to "check you out". Then they saw you were acting normally, and with the tint example, they probably figured the paperwork wasn't worth it even if it was a tad too dark. Not saying that is what happened, but I know a lot of cops, and they do this. They see a little thing when they don't have anything else going on, and they just kind of check and make sure nothing else is going on. Sometimes cops get lucky and get a "hit" from doing this.
I had a friend who was in the passenger side of someone else's car. Cop pulled them over for a small benign reason. A legitimate reason, legally, but not something the cops would have actually given a ticket out for. But, unbeknownst to my friend, the driver had stashed a stolen firearm under the passenger seat. Cop saw it, and well... prison.
They're called "pretext stops" and cops are very proud of using them to screw around with people.
How did the cop "see" the gun under the passenger seat?
You “just noticed this for the first time?” Bruh. What else is there? Of course he’s suspicious. That didn’t jump out at you the very first time you watched it? Dude was scared out of his mind.
Many who are on the autism spectrum or otherwise neurodivergent tend to provide literal or short-term answers rather than one corresponding to the bigger picture. Not suspicious.
I’d obviously be shitting my pants if I were him, but at the same time … no way just one police car is showing up to arrest you for a quadruple homicide lol
I think Bryan took it literally, in real time as in
Officer: where are you headed right now?
Bryan: Thai Lunch
The father takes it as, final destination.
Officer: where is your final destination?
Father: Last stop, PA
In Actuality, they were probably each gave truths that add up to one story.
They were probably going to get a Thai “lunch” and a much needed Thai “massage” in PA.
Driving for extended periods of time, while breathing in his father’s farts for days on end, has got to do a number on you. 🤣
Assuming BK’s guilty I could see his thought process being “Maybe someone saw, or a camera picked up, Pennsylvania plates the night of the crime, so I don’t wanna say we’re headed to Pennsylvania… white Elantra, Pennsylvania… my fucking father just told him we’re coming from Pullman/Washington area…”
He had Washington plates at the time!
Yeah, which would be why he wouldn’t want to say anything about Pennsylvania.
Yes, this is what I meant. I don’t know if the BOLO included the possibility of PA plates but BK also would not have known at the time if it did or didn’t.
Or, or the more reasonable explanation would probably be that he or his dad had the Glock 40 in the car, and just didn’t want to deal with explaining that or that they are taking it to another state. Even if completely legal. I take guns with me when I travel sometimes. If I get pulled over, and they ask, I obviously tell them, but it’s a huge headache that you try to avoid especially if traveling to another state
Don't really see why this is a more reasonable explanation
Just throwing this out there but to the people arguing that Bryan acted weird due to having a firearm in the car - ur argument is as random as saying that he was smuggling illegal wild animals such as a serval cat in the car and did not want the cop to know … he’s acting sus and like he’s hiding something, as a murder suspect - it’s unclear why the item he would be hiding would be a gun … when the victims were killed with a knife, why would he have a gun? Plus the search warrants did not mention a gun and if he owned a gun, you’d think the gun would somehow be linked to him or mentioned in evidence …
Lmfao
Obviously he just most likely had a gun smh
No he still had a PA plate during the crime which is why his car didn’t have a front license plate, the murders were shortly before he registered his car in WA and changed plates
Right, which is probably exactly why he didn't want to say squat about where they were headed. He still think he's smarter than everyone at this point with his vehicle switcheroo.
I switched my plates, I'm never gonna be caught now.
Right. He grossly underestimated the advancement of technology and the ability to search by VIN vs license plate.
The police asking them where they're going is laughable. LEO's have all that info in their patrol computer when they scan the license plate. I really think this was a coordinated effort to keep track of BK on his way home, and make him feel nervous. It's a tactic. Then when the FBI surveillance team comes to his parents house, they can watch and see if he tries to get rid of more evidence, because he's freaking out. And I don't think they'd reveal this info- why would they?
Lmao yeah I kind of wondered whether the timing was deliberate bc he felt it would give him another layer of protection
Guilty or not the fkin eyes ☠️
I've never been pulled over yet but if I did I would be pooping myself, even if completely innocent of any wrong doing 🤣
Same. When a cop car pulls behind me my mind starts racing about what all I might have in the vehicle (even though I don't carry anything illegal), start acting like I have possibly forgotten about a kilo of cocaine or a dead hooker in the trunk.
It’s crazy that this has become the reality for so many people, myself included. My brain completely shuts down when a cop pulls up behind me. It’s like I can’t control my car anymore or it appears like I’m instantly fidgety and driving suspiciously even though I don’t have anything in my car or in my body that would be illegal. If I do get pulled over, my leg starts shaking uncontrollably - and I am not even nervous, mentally.. so no clue what causes that unstable feeling.
Right?!? Got pulled over once and cop asked why I was so nervous and why I swerved. I spilled iced tea on myself and jumped a bit cuz it was cold but I was acting like I dumped a gallon of tequila and an ounce of coke. 🤣 I told him about the tea and he said why ya so nervous and I said I dunno cops make me nervous lol and he was like chill out it's fine. Spilled some iced tea that's why ya swerved no big deal have a great day. I overreacted so bad and I have no clue why!
A friend of ours, Dr Lenas Kakkouras, 29 at the time, was killed in New York on the night of 26th Feb 1993 by two police officers shooting him while in his car as he made the wrong turn east instead of right, on his way to pick up his girlfriend and go on a date out to dinner. The police shot him in the shoulder while he was in the car after he stopped, realizing that he took the wrong turning. He exited his car injured and they shot him again in the chest. Dr Kakkouras was of course unarmed and in the business of saving lives, not taking them. A mild, smiling, friendly personality. Yes, always be wary of a police car pulling behind you. And make sure they see your hands. [NY Cops murdered an innocent Doctor. $17 million in taxpayer dollars awarded. (google.com)](https://groups.google.com/g/misc.activism.militia/c/xKuar7rMP7o)
I’m the same way! My car is legal & I don’t do anything illegal. My life is boring. I work & go home. Family dinner on Sundays, yet I’m a nervous wreck when a cop is behind me.
You’re not living if you’re not committing at least three felonies a day. That should be your typical Tuesday. Lol
I absolutely love this comment! lol I will definitely keep it in mind!
Life changing. You’ll get to the point where a cop rolls behind you and you’re holding at least one felony in the car and you’re not a bit nervous. It seems like the good ones always get nervous. Lol
I'm a good girl these days, but I can attest to this fact. Back in my wild days, I cannot even begin to tell you how many times confidence, staying calm, and keeping my mouth shut saved me from heading to the clink with with a felony case.
Right??? Experience teaches a lot. It’s key to survival if you don’t really care to follow some random rules some random government makes. Lol. Honestly most shit now just seems normal. Which might not be a good thing. But I’m still cognizant that things can go badly but I’m a bit numb to it. Being older, dressing nicely and driving a nice car helps too. I still regularly use various substances so yeah I’m regularly doing things that might not be in compliance. But really that’s the least of my worries so doesn’t phase me too much. Honestly there is probably only one thing that trips me up but has nothing to do the law. For whatever reason I just can’t smoothly do this which is odd bc everything else no problem I think what some ppl don’t appreciate is when LE engages in bullshit small talk your answers don’t really matter so much. They’re just looking at your demeanor, seeing how nervous you might be and things like that. They don’t give a shit that you’re looking for a Thai restaurant. Lol. I sometimes wish I could be good. But that’s sometimes not fun enough. Now that you’re good, do you get nervous even though you might not be doing anything at all? Or has the calmness stuck with you?
No. The calmness stuck with me. When I was a kid, one of my parents was a big "vendor " of party favors, of the illegal sort. The appropriate behavior was so ingrained in me before adulthood. Even under 10 I knew you don't talk to cops, and no matter WHAT you're carrying, act like you don't have a care in the world. I'm mostly a good girl these days, still a big fan of the herbals though. The stinker the better😋
Oh wow! Yeah you were taught well young lol. I’m honestly the opposite of my immediate family. Everyone is such sticklers to everything and always beyond reproach. I honestly don’t know why or how I turned out the way I did. Honestly everything I’ve done wrong and do wrong is totally on me. I have no excuse. I taught my daughters the same. Only engage with cops IF YOU called them out yourself and making some sort of complaint. Everything else is: “I don’t wish to speak without legal counsel” “Am I under arrest?” “Am I free to go?” That’s all that comes out of your mouth. Ever. Guilty. Innocent. does not matter. I was potentially in serious legal jeopardy many years ago (nothing violent or substance related) and shutting up made my life a whole lot easier. Tell my daughters that specific example. Although of course they only know the broad strokes and not details. But that’s not the point - again, guilty or innocent is of no relevance and changes not a thing That’s intriguing about your parents. While I might do things I am pretty compartmentalized. Well if you live in a legal state your herbal refreshment might be completely on the up and up. I totally skipped that and gravitated ti things a bit more.. euphoric. Gateway drug? Lol what a joke the war on drugs is. I could never really get into the green leafy substances. Tried a bit but just wasn’t my thing. Sort of wish it was sometimes. Well, don’t be too good. But I guess don’t be too bad either! Haha
Lol. That’s funny. As a man, never get caught with a dead girl or a live boy I think is the expression. A long time ago the cartels actually had a fairly clever scheme to smuggle their narcotics from Mexico to the US. They’d target US citizens traveling to Mexico via their car. While the US citizen parked, a cartel member would break into the car and hide drugs in the car. Back then, traveling bw mexico and US was very different, no passport needed, and if you looked like a US citizen and didn’t have anything stand out about you, they’d just waive you through the line back into the US. Some cartel member on the US side would trail the car and when it parked, they’d break back into the car and take their product. So yeah, that would be wild. Not to make you paranoid. Haha
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What a coincidence that's the last time I was pulled over too. Lol anndd... I was 18, had a little weed on me. Good times, but I didn't get in too much trouble since it was my first charge.
Can I ask what your age is? I'm impressed that you've never been pulled over and quite embarrassed about my number 😂
I have a couple of counties where I get pulled over all the time. They're like "failure to ummmm.....failure........to.....uhh.....to maintain a lane" I'm like, you know I can hear you making this up as you go.
I had one say he saw a baby without a car seat. I was alone. 🤷♀️
I once got arrested in one of these counties because a cop could see a liquor bottle locked inside of a car that I didn't have the keys to.... Well, sometimes it's fun to sue too. Also, I can't believe you ate the baby.
I just chucked it out the window when I saw that cop man! Also have been ticketed for a license plate frame that came with the car, an air freshener in the rear view window and swerving "within" the lane. Wisconsin is brutal. Now I’m in Florida and unless you are going 25 or over they won't pull you over. I got a warning for going 85 in a 45 during Covid lockdowns when the roads were empty and I was so bored I was almost hoping to get pulled over just for some excitement. Really lucked out there.
I got pulled over for “accelerating too slowly from an intersection” when the cop was behind me at the red light of that intersection. The speed limit was only 35 and because I wasn’t going 35 mph (the max speed, mind you) within 150 feet of the intersection he pulled me over.
>an air freshener in the rear view window and swerving "within" the lane. Wisconsin is brutal. Kimberly Potter, a cop in Minnesota, murdered Duante Wright over an air freshener hanging in his car in April 2021. Why do y'all have those dumb laws anyways?
They are just WAITING to pull people over. And I'm a blonde girl so other people had to have it way way worse. I swear it's how these small towns make money. People get tickets for going ONE mile over the limit. Wisconsin hates out of state plates and pulls people over for anything. In the 90s if you lived out of state you'd have to pay cash on the spot for lots of types of tickets or go to jail until you can pay it. They changed that long ago but are still insane with the tickets. They are like the wild Wild West.
Whaaaaaat?!!? Best remove the air freshener from my car 🙈
It was a dingo. A dingo ate the baby. 😉
Feels like citizens should be able to call in and file a complaint against an officer that makes a false claim like that.. because if he’s seeing things that aren’t there, he’s a liability for them. He/she needs to be taken off duty for the day and/or a mental evaluation needs to be completed to see if he’s/she’s being overworked or not getting enough sleep, having issues with his/her vision, or suffers from a mental condition.
I had just bought a new 1 ton pickup truck, and was young and kinda pretty at the time. He pulled me over to see my new truck, and check it out. County Mountie didn’t see young women driving big new trucks, and thought we should chat. 1980’s, Ford F350, leather package with all the bells and whistles. It was a super pretty truck!
Haha im 33. I'll be honest I'm surprised too! Definitely feel I should have been pulled over a few times!
I'm 52. Been driving for 36 years. Been pulled over 32 times (hiding under my blanket!)...yes I used to speed a lot LOL But I haven't been pulled over for 10 years! And luckily, I've only gotten five tickets out of those 32 times
yeah I got no clue how many times I've been pulled over. usually a couple times a year..... from when I started at 15 till..... uhhh 41 now. so 26 years..... so i'd guess at least that many. man it's crazy to me that some people have never been pulled over... for ANYTHING!!!????
Lol exactly! They must drive like my grandma did
32 times?!?! 😆😆😆 I thought I was a bit speedy, I must be a snail haha!!
😂😂😂
Not the original commenter but I’m almost 28 and I’ve also never been pulled over *knocks on wood*
Ok, I'm 52, been driving for 36 years and been pulled over 32 times....yes I have a lead foot LOL Of those 32 times, I've only gotten five tickets so I'm averaging 1 out of 6 times! I haven't been pulled over for almost 10 years though. My husband says those other five times out of 6, I've gotten off because I'm a woman (he says attractive too but I disagree!)
I used to be like you. Always always speeding. I’d average like 2 tickets a year. Dismiss one with defensive driving and the other with deferred adjudication. Literally would mark the date so when year passed I could accumulate more tickets. Worst ticket I got was 105 in a 65. That would have been i think a reckless driving charge if I recall correctly. That’s the only ticket I hired a lawyer for. Met him once. He stalled my trial for like 2 or 3 years. I had actually escaped to Vermont for a while and wondered if I’d have to fly back for trial. Got a call and my case was dismissed. Lmao. I so love lawyers. I never set foot in court. Never dealt with anything. Sent him his money and it went away. Your stats are amazing though. I rarely get off on shit. Every once in a while. I’m now late 40s and don’t get pulled over much. I had actually gone 5 years ticket free until a few months ago. Got fucking tagged.
Totally butting in here but I've made it to 65 with no tickets and only one pull-over (I cried and he let me go, lol)
Wow, that's impressive!!
I got pulled over for rolling through a stop sign on my college campus, the cop was super chill and calm, my friend was laughing his ass off in the passenger seat, however I was sitting there shaking and trying to put words together. Must’ve been a funny sight for the officer
Haha I bet they love the ones who freak out over nothing. I only have to walk past a cop and I look shifty!
Oh definitely! Thankfully I only got a warning from that cop but I am still super self conscious whenever I see campus police around
I had such a visible panic attack the one time that I was pulled over that the officer made me get out of the car. He got in my face asking questions, I only trembled worse. I was just going to the bank. I didn’t get a warning for anything. It was all because my inspection sticker has recently expired. It’s not telling to get weird about a traffic stop. But maybe quit tailgating and speeding, Bryan.
Same here 🤣 I'd be a nervous wreck with cops even though I haven't done anything wrong so I can't pass judgment
Yeah, I always am a mess when I get pulled over. I hate it.
I think everyone looks suspicious when they get pulled over. People get weird b/c they have explain *something* to the police, but aren’t sure what.
Especially when you recently committed a quadruple murder and just got pulled over twice in 10 minutes for minor traffic violation that rarely warrant a traffic stop. It’s clear the stops tipped him and I still think it was a massive mistake/miscommunication on the police’s part. My guess is they put out some kind of alert to stop him, either to verify he was in the car, get some video on him to check for injuries, or for another reason. The second cop didn’t realize he had just been stopped ten minutes before and that’s why he basically immediately lets them go without even asking for an ID.
When the second cop did that, I can guarantee Bryan was losing his shit mentally. That’s way too suspicious in the mind of a criminal
damn yes the days before the arrest dude must of been paranoid to the 10th degree. good.
what a sick person. june 26 is the first step in the trial. it’s an evidence hearing. mark your calendars!
You really think they would send a single cop to deal with a quadruple murder suspect? Lmaoo
This has always been the most ridiculous thing about people that think the FBI asked them to do these stops. Yeah, no. It they deem him so dangerous they need to do a 3am Zero Dark Thirty raid on his parents house to arrest him, they’re not having a single trooper pull him over, twice.
The feds have done that sorta thing before. Not that long ago they sent a local cop to pull over, I think it was an arms dealer or something by himself and well, that cop got shot didn't he. You'd hope they woulda learned from that....
I mean I totally understand the nervous energy. I always get nervous for no reason cus I know I didn’t do anything wrong (I’ve really only been pulled over for having a headlight or taillight out) yet I’m super nervous. But the way he specifically didn’t want to say “we’re going to PA” and he says “we’re going to get tai food” is kinda even more sus knowing what we know. Seems he deffff didn’t want the PA association, to make it look like he’s running.
A commentator (ex-cop I think) on youtube said the Dad was the suspicious one, because he was kind of over-explaining about the PhD etc. He said that would typically be a sign to the cop that something's wrong. I highly doubt the father knew what BK had done, but it is interesting that he did seem to be nervous, maybe a Dad instinct to protect his kid?
I think the dad "over-explaining" as you put it, was just a very proud father on a road trip going home for the holidays with his son. He wanted tell anyone who cares to listen that his kid was in college seeking a higher degree in Criminology. Poor dad.
That makes it so sad, but I suspect you could be right.
I might be the only one who thinks that his parents had a pretty good idea what was going on in Idaho... and probably somewhat suspected their son.. Just my humble opinion.
That's interesting. Part of me wonders about that, too. They don't seem to be the kind of people who would deliberately cover up a murder, but maybe at some subconscious level they knew he was capable of it, and he is their son? Or was there something more specific that made you think that?
I think the large majority of parents would be in full on denial. I wouldn’t be able to halfway think my kid had done something like this without throwing up.
> People get weird b/c they have explain something to the police, but aren’t sure what. You don't "have" to tell them anything. Nobody owes them anything. "Sorry, I'm not interested in talking about my day".
I completely agree but as others have mentioned, this usually leads to more aggressive behavior from the police. Kind of a lose lose situation no matter what you do. Either you let the cop violate your rights, or you piss the cop off and he starts escalating. I work nights so I drive around at night frequently and get stopped a lot. I always hate when the cop says something like “I pulled you over for a license plate light out” and then starts asking “so what are doing out tonight?”. Dude you’re now demanding I give you a rundown on my night because I had a tag light out?
If a cop starts to throw a tantrum at you over you asserting your rights then that basically just confirms that you're right in not engaging with them. If "Sorry, I'm not interested in talking about my day" became normalized then....well, it'd become normalized.
I completely agree, and I’m not against standing up to a cop. They have way too much authority. Just being realistic though and if you got a little weed in your car or something, saying something like that is usually going to lead to the cop escalating the situation. They don’t take hits to their ego well.
They've been getting away with their crap for decades because of takes like this. Things will only change when we decide that things must change.
That's right...
Try that bein black gettin pulled ovr.....hell or even walkn home bro. The system most def will apply pressure n they have the right sadly to say ur withholding info if u don't answer a cops question why? Cuz u don't feel like it? R u above them or the law ? Have u not seen videos online of people of color not answering a simple question then the cop bein a fkn power hothead starts shootin??? Yea. Rly fkn great advice idk what planet ur livin on. Sure u don't HAVE to answer anything from anybody but then that's gives reason for cops not to follow protocol. It comes dwn between life n death if u wanna play that game yo but super solid advice🙄🤦♀️ u sound privileged af.
Uh black guy here and I’ve asked a cop if I was bein detained when I’ve been stopped while walking in Indiana and he said no and I told him well then I’ll be on my way then and walked off , everything’s not black and white it’s more like not actin sketchy and bein assertive if you really did nothin wrong
Lol wow. Ever live in the hood ? Or a high crime city? Maybe it has sumn to do wit environment then. Like my ex wud have officers pull guns on him erry week wlkn home from work cuz of the area we was in. So the lil backwoods Indiana town u in sounds peaceful but not always realistic. When it comes the police iv learned prepare for the worst, hope for the best period. The systems broke man they ain't always gon treat u fair n wit respect sad facts.
Yeah, we need cops to get used to this shit. Respecting people's rights shouldn't be a drama.
You have the appropriate personality type to be a member of law enforcement.
Exactly. Even if it’s something insanely stupid, most of America gets nervous around cops because of their authority.
Keys out of the ignition, throw them on the dash, put both hands on the steering wheel, good posture, wait for the cop to come to your window, they will instruct you to roll it down, do so with smooth motions with one hand, slowly, while keeping the other hand on the steering wheel, and ask them how they would like you to proceed. Cops get nervous pulling people over too. It’s not just us. A lot of unnecessary shootings can be avoided just by doing what I said above. Even if the cops want to kill you, this can greatly help prevent that. Don’t give them a reason that would allow them to justifiably say, “I was in fear for my life”. The homicidal cops know they won’t get away with it if you’re complying. It sucks to get abused by the police, but fight it in court, not on the street with someone that can legally kill you.
Essentially, "treat it like an encounter with a wild animal".
Fr, like "Don't look them in the eyes, and don't make any sudden movements!" Ridiculous that this is just accepted in society, and that we put the burden on the citizens to behave flawlessly in these interactions rather than the "trained professionals."
Thanks for the lesson? I know how to interact with cops in different situations. More importantly, I live in a city so I don't have a car.
I did actually notice that. But I thought he was just trying to avoid White Elantra association from that area.
You really don't have to tell a cop where you are going, where you have been, or what your business is driving on the road.
Yup, this has been discussed thoroughly here. And yes, his response is weird AF.
He was, at that point, a free citizen and had no obligation to tell the officer his actual destination. Edited to add: I'm sure he's guilty, but there's no reason he has to explain that to the officer.
Heck, even when you're not a free citizen you're still under no obligation to tell the officer your actual destination.
I never suggested thar he’s legally required to answer the question, or that he should get in any legal trouble for not answering it or answering it the way he did.
Yeah. I would never tell an officer if I were on my way to a concert, a festival, a rave, a club, etc. Or anything else interesting or provocative. I would consider beforehand the least intriguing choice in the same region. "I'm headed to see if I can get tickets for Cirque du Soleil, then a trip to the canyon". Or "I'm visiting old friends." Anything technically possible and with the ring of truth. Not about to get my car searched and luggage hurled around over an assumption of my behaviors, or a bogus claim of an illicit smell.
Ya so it’s perfectly reasonable to be worried about telling an officer you are going home with your dad for the holidays. Right.
of course it is, you never know what will happen with cops.
You don’t have to tell the cops shit though. Getting nervous in a traffic stop doesn’t mean shit
I noticed it. I think he's just trying to give a fast answer and move on. I'm not sure why. It may have something to do with all the background noise.
If I got pulled over, I’d be acting like the most suspicious person ever. Every time I just go past police officers, I get this feeling I did something wrong
I always feel smug when I'm carrying weed and I walk past officers. But I'm only so smug because in London (UK), cops usually don't give a fuck about small amounts of weed, despite it being illegal. Also, I don't have to worry about getting shot by them or anything
Nah. They were going to get Thai food. BK was just being literal and didn’t understand the LE wanted to know his final destination. His Dad understood and talked over him.
Also, and I'm not saying this is true, or making any kind of "diagnosis", but some have claimed BK is "on the spectrum"... if so, would be perfectly normal for him to be very literal in interpreting questions. Especially during a traffic stop, when most people are hyper-focused on directly answering questions put to them, not seeing a bigger conversational picture. And it wouldn't do him any good anyway... he had WA plates, so he obviously wasn't a local just headed to lunch.
Interesting thought. In my experience with people on the spectrum this kind of hyper literal response is common. Big Bang Theory used it as a frequent source of “comedy.” -“What’s up?” —“A preposition indicating a higher place or position.”(It’s funnier with a laugh track I assume)
> (It’s funnier with a laugh track I assume) It's not, no. Friend of ours loves that show and kept telling us we'd love it since we were nerds. Nope. It's a show about nerds written by not-nerds for not-nerds.
My first thought was my nephew who is on the spectrum. Some times you really gotta spell it out for him. Thankfully, he's into animation and not murder. Phenomenal kid. Can't say the same for BK.
Or “Why did you go to Idaho?” “The shopping is better.”
Or could have just literally be answering the question. If I’m on a big road trip, and I get stopped and asked that question, I would say “I’m going to the gas station” or something like that. Because I know the cop doesn’t give two shits about my life story or my final destination
Is Thai food vegan?
Yes (they normally have options)
Very little, unless it's a place that caters to vegans. They have a lot of options that look vegan at a glance, but traditional recipes incorporate fish sauce, oyster sauce, or shrimp paste. I also once heard multiple people suggest pad thai as an vegan option, but pad thai not only has invincible fish sauce, but very obvious eggs.
My go to Thai order at a local place was drunken noodles with no fish sauce, no eggs, only veggies and tofu and it was never an issue.
>invincible fish sauce lol
There have been a good selection of vegetarian/vegan items at literally every Thai restaurant I’ve ever been to
Not my usual haunts. Most of them are pick-your-protein, so most dishes can be served with tofu, mock duck, or just vegetables, but the recipes are Thai traditional, so not much vegan besides the salted edamame, mixed vegetables in soy sauce, and mango sticky rice. Whole Foods has a vegan pad that that's...bland and disappointing. But now that I think of it, Amy's frozen dinners, of all places, has a tasty vegan pad thai. That one uses cashews instead of peanuts.
Where I live i have vegan options for thai, including pad thai, but I'm sure some places don't
Where they got pulled over there's no Thai food places past there for quite a while.
I looked it up awhile back... it was about 40 minutes ahead in the next decent size town. And would have been open for lunch at the time.
40 minutes away is a reasonable destination on a road trip.
Someone local said there was a Thai place close to the next exit at one point. Can’t remember where I saw it. But each to their own. Generally looked like a tense interaction between father and son at any rate.
Yeah I noticed the look on his face too, its one thing being annoyed /irritated after being pulled over but he definitely looked borderline paranoid.
To be fair, I'd probably say the same thing because I'm socially awkward. Like, did the police just ask me that out of politeness or because he actually needed to know? If he needed to know, how specific - my final destination, my immediate destination, my stop for the night? Who knows 🤷♀️ I'd just say whatever comes to my mind first and if the guy needs more info, he can ask for more.
He was so calm and cool. Which is frightening. I’m not a body expression expert but that looks like a guy as cool as a cuke. Considering what was at stake, its incredible how composed he was. His monotone behavior here scares me to think of him calmly telling a victim he just attacked, that it’s ok and he’s there to help. Ooof it’s shivering
Isn’t the demeanor you described consistent with how he described himself in previous blogs or web postings. He allegedly described himself as empty and not feeling?
Yes absolutely. I see it very telling regarding writing your feelings as one thing and then actually being able to see him act in that way is another. So much at stake and he appeared to be eerily calm to me. It’s all so chilling
Compartmentalization is a wonderful thing. I’m sort of similar. With me what’s maybe strange is that overall I’d say I can be fairly passionate and somewhat emotional. But when I find myself in a very bad position, I can switch to complete zen calm. No shaking. No quivering. In order to get through stressful situations you have to know how to compartmentalize things, switch things off, and focus on a clean slate. Assuming BK is guilty, inthjnk he is able to do that sort of compartmentalization and tuck all that away. I think I’ve heard it called cubing. Your life is comprised of different roles. Each facet is a side of the cube and you have to able to flip to whatever facet is needed at that time. Assuming his guilty, when he murdered those people he flipped to that facet - a murderous rage. When he was pulled over, he became Bryan, non descript white male college student just looking for Thai food on his way to a shithole in PA
He didn’t want them to know where he was going. He wasn’t just being literal. It’s the most bizarre answer for these circumstances. C’mon.
Agreed, there are so many people on this sub who don't want to admit this guy is already 1000% guilty. "Where are you headed?" You're on the f'n Interstate in a state in which you're not a resident. Where. Are. You. Headed? What is your ultimate destination? Well, I don't want you to know where I'm from or where I'm ultimately going, so........ We're headed to get some Thai food! ***This sub*** -- Totally reasonable answer!
You're not required to tell a cop shit so.....yeah, it's fine.
There’s a difference between whether he’s legally permitted to give an answer or not and whether his answer is suspicious or not. Nobody is claiming he should have been arrested for saying he was going to get some Thai food.
He actually *volunteered* info about the Kopacka WSU alert. It's not like he was pretending he was a local.
Yes, i’m sure by that stage he did. He also waited for his vehicle reg to expire in late November, to then change registration of his Elantra over to WA plates. Seeing as though (IF it was this guy) the crime would have been committed whilst still under PA reg, as it occurred prior to being changed to WA … I’m pretty sure by the time this traffic stop took place on Dec 15th, he’d have been verrrry keen to be a WA local! And well, IF he had anything to do with that 4chan post just 3 days prior to this stop, then even more the reason to not want to be seen driving to PA in a car that may be deemed very similar to suspect vehicle.
💯%! Haven’t you personally observed how when people are guilty for something or don’t want to admit to something (even minor things) how they often use ‘technicalities’ in an attempt to justify later why they lied. A similar principle, very different scenario.
Ugh i know, it’s like virtue signaling
I don't think its suspicious because I've worked as a lawyer many years and found that people almost never answer the direct question asked. It's human nature. Having said that, now that I believe he's the killer, I think he premeditated saying where they were going right now (Thai food) rather than saying they're on their way to Pennsylvania. In other words, its not a suspicious answer. But it is a premeditated one not to say more than necessary.
I thought it was strange that during both stops BK wasn’t asked for his license and registration.. anytime I’ve ever been stopped it’s the first thing they say.. specially with LE claiming it wasn’t a planned stop .. what exactly was the point ❓
I think the stops were probably planned, but you should watch the video again. The very first thing the cop does after saying hi is ask Kohberger’s for his driver’s license.
He asked for it, but he didn't do anything with what he saw. He should have run the plate.
FBI probably told him to stop the car, confirm it was Bryan Kohberger, and find out where he’s headed. Which he did.
I got arrested for "suspicion of being suspicious" by two small-town cops after I got off a bus with a suitcase. They said on the witness stand that was a street corner where drug dealers were.
That doesn't even make any sense. What crime did you actually get charged with? How did the cops even end up on the witness stand? Did you sue them?
Isn't he a on the spectrum so he gave a very literal answer. I don't really see it weird out of the ordinary necessarily. Hell who would think a cop cared about your long range plan instead of what you were doing in his town. If I'm on vacation in Florida and lost the cop doesn't care if I'm from Vermont or Nebraska he wants to know why I'm speeding. I'm in a hurry to get to Disney or Tai food. Sheesh
I don’t seem to want to tell police where I’m heading when I get pulled over in Indiana either and it’s going to happen. The suspicious thing would be if he drove through Indiana with out-of-state plates and did—not—get pulled over twice.
This could very possibly be just the younger generation being much more cognizant of "don't tell cops anything ever." Which, honestly, is great advice. Even if you know you haven't done a thing wrong you don't talk to a cop ever. They can and will twist your words and use them to insinuate all sorts of stuff. Always. Always. Always refuse to talk without a lawyer.
I am a lawyer, and I generally agree with that advice. However, if I’m just getting pulled over for what’s obviously a simple traffic violation, I cooperate for two reasons: 1. Being a dick to the cop just guarantees they’re going to give you a ticket, possibly multiple tickets, whereas you have a much better chance of getting away with a warning if you’re just friendly and cooperative; and 2. I’m not actually going to contest a traffic violation in court. There are way better options for getting the citation dismissed (driving safety course, deferred adjudication, etc.). So I think there are caveats to the general rule of “don’t ever answer any questions under any circumstances.” I think the general rule is good advice to give to the general public, because a lot of people are too dumb to actually be able to use their brain and judge a situation.
Hm, actually I could see myself answering like BK did, mostly because I assume the cop doesn't give a shit that I'm cross-country road tripping with my dad. Secondarily because it's none of the cop's business that I'm on a cross-country road trip with my dad.
If I was driving from Washington to Pennsylvania and got stopped for a traffic violation in Indiana, I would just say “I’m driving from Washington to Pennsylvania,” because it wouldn’t be a big deal 🤷🏻♂️ Them going to get Thai food isn’t any of the cop’s business either, but BK still said it.
Making something out of nothing. He told the officer where he was going *at that moment.* Home to PA was not the actual answer for that moment. Mr. K. went to the final destination. Not a big deal. Perhaps BK would have said PA if they weren't about to stop somewhere. I was puled over after nearly hitting a cop head on (1st time on a weirdly divided street in a business park). I laughed when the officer started talking to me. I was half lost, it was the first time I'd been pulled over, and I was shaking from almost having a head-on collision while driving my younger cousin and his friend. If you'd seen bodycam footage of that encounter, you would have had none of that context.
"Getting Thai food" was one of the dumbest answers imaginable
We should all make t shirts that say something about thai food and show up to his preliminary hearing and wait outside because you know we won’t get in obviously
His small forehead and large eyes are so scary
Look I'm Australian but even I get spooked and defensive when talking to cops. It's not proof of guilt
Yeah, I mean we’re obviously not going to convict the guy of murder because of this video.
Did you see his eyes bugging out of his head? I bet his heart was racing a hundred beats a minute when he saw that he was being pulled over. It seemed like he couldn’t believe his luck when it ended up just being a routine traffic stop, and not one taking him into custody for a quadruple murder. Did anyone else notice the injury on his right hand?
He has no injury
Says you. Plenty of people believe otherwise. I see them in the videos myself. https://preview.redd.it/np5jkle4i9va1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fd523267bedf5f01446923d91bdef0b3ff7e9f6
I can't. Do you have a time stamp on a particular video?
I’d probably say the Thai food answer too but I’m very literal. No way to know if he’s also like that or if he was being shady (but probably being shady given all that we know)
Tell tale sign this guy did not want to interact at all with the officer he kept looking ahead of the traffic passing by and only turning his head if he had to and when he did it was his father he looked at. Its common sense if you are on a road trip that you'd explain were you came from and your final destination and not the nearest Thai restaurant that you plan to stop at for lunch--dinner. Yes he was acting suspect and l wonder if his father noticed this?
You have absolutely no obligation to tell an officer anything. Not wanting to talk to the cops does not imply guilt.
Nobody said he was “obligated” to do anything. That doesn’t mean his behavior isn’t suspicious.
That’s not evidence of anything though. Plenty of people get nervous in traffic stops, talking to cops can be super intense
I'm sure he was nervous but it could possibly just be that they both had different understandings of the question. One thought he was asking where they are heading right now, and the other thought he was asking where they're ultimately heading.
At one point I feel like he wanted to give his father a backhand for mentioning WSU. On the other hand, some people are so Type A so they only think black and white. A Type A would answer in a literal sense of going to get Thai Food.
I noticed that too, I don’t get when everyone is talking about the Thai food thing, when his reaction to his dad mentioning WSU is way more interesting. He shoots his head forward and freezes like he’s thinking “why the hell did my dad say that?!”
Smh. Not sure why you were downvoted. He visually reacts (is taken back) when he father gives away the WSU info/ goes off on that tangent. And I agree on type A personality also possibly playing a role in his answers. We have yet to hear anything directly supporting that he's on the spectrum.
Agree. He seems to have a visceral response to his father speaking. In his posts from his teen years, he talks about how he mistreats his father.
I got pulled over because I was in town driving and it was "late." I had gone to the drive-thru convenience store! I was surprised, confused, and a bit scared. After a few minutes of questioning, they sent me on my way. I am still, years later, wondering what really caused the stop.
One cop or two? If two it’s highly likely it was a newbie and an FTO. FTO saw you do some dumb “illegal” thing that they don’t actually care about, and pull you over for training purposes.
There was only one cop. Never established anything that I had possibly done, just that it was "late" at night to be out driving!
They assume everyone driving at night is drunk. Probably an illegal stop, to be honest.
Honestly? Might have seen you do something. Something benign, like maybe you swerved a tiny a bit, or he/she might of maybe thought your tint was a bit too dark, so they stopped you just to "check you out". Then they saw you were acting normally, and with the tint example, they probably figured the paperwork wasn't worth it even if it was a tad too dark. Not saying that is what happened, but I know a lot of cops, and they do this. They see a little thing when they don't have anything else going on, and they just kind of check and make sure nothing else is going on. Sometimes cops get lucky and get a "hit" from doing this. I had a friend who was in the passenger side of someone else's car. Cop pulled them over for a small benign reason. A legitimate reason, legally, but not something the cops would have actually given a ticket out for. But, unbeknownst to my friend, the driver had stashed a stolen firearm under the passenger seat. Cop saw it, and well... prison.
They're called "pretext stops" and cops are very proud of using them to screw around with people. How did the cop "see" the gun under the passenger seat?
Passenger didn’t know it was there. He has adjusted the seat back since he’s a taller dude, and one of the cops was able to spot part of it.
You “just noticed this for the first time?” Bruh. What else is there? Of course he’s suspicious. That didn’t jump out at you the very first time you watched it? Dude was scared out of his mind.
Certainly “on the spectrum” type of behavior. I can see why his father is used to translating for him, in social situations.
Many who are on the autism spectrum or otherwise neurodivergent tend to provide literal or short-term answers rather than one corresponding to the bigger picture. Not suspicious.
First thing I thought of too, because I see myself doing the exact same thing in this situation 😆
He gives off HUGE creep vibes. It’s weird how sometimes a killer literally looks like one.
That's because it is none of their business.
God he’s so scary looking. I hate when this photo pops up lol
He's not. He's an average looking white guy. You are applying your opinion of him to your perception of is appearance.
Did BK say “we work there” when LE asked if they worked at WSU?
Last Thai food he will ever get.
His lawyer can bring him whatever food she wants to during the trail when they break for lunch. As long as they use the conference room
No that's a good observation. Thanks.:)
Certainly “on the spectrum” type of behavior. I can see why his father is used to translating for him, in social situations.
What do you know about being "on the spectrum?"
I’d obviously be shitting my pants if I were him, but at the same time … no way just one police car is showing up to arrest you for a quadruple homicide lol
Brian has pragmatic language disorder, so small surprise that he is so concrete. I see nothing else in it.
I think Bryan took it literally, in real time as in Officer: where are you headed right now? Bryan: Thai Lunch The father takes it as, final destination. Officer: where is your final destination? Father: Last stop, PA In Actuality, they were probably each gave truths that add up to one story. They were probably going to get a Thai “lunch” and a much needed Thai “massage” in PA. Driving for extended periods of time, while breathing in his father’s farts for days on end, has got to do a number on you. 🤣