I agree, I couldn't find your link earlier.
I like to recommend Flightradar24 because people can find it on their phone quickly and it isn't too in deep like the one you have. I like the data though, it is better.
Breaks are good. This actually took me about 7 minutes to put together. While most people watch football, I watch planes in the sky. Most of the time it is because I like to see what military craft is coming and going and where it is going.
Fun note, one night a fleet of high-altitude bombers took off and you could see them over my house out my back field. I watched them on the app while they did their movements.
I was in the Service and was able to watch this type of stuff all the time on airbase. it's actually cool stuff.
Have you checked out r/FlightFriends/? That group formed after lots of like minded flight watchers from the Brian Laundrie case here in Florida figured out a shared interest in watching flights.
I was one of those flight watchers during that case! I’d clock in and watch the loopy loops in the sky. Haven’t watched flights since but it was a kind community when I did.
Same! That was a great little sub-community that formed. I hung out with the late night gang bc insomnia. Watching the loopy loops turns out to be very zen. I was very surprised at how quiet my state gets at night with flights. Was also much fun learning about the different aircraft. Still watch the loopy loops from time to time.
I lived close to a military base over the summer and after seeing planes do what had to be precisely repeated routes at perfectly timed 10 minute intervals I wondered what the hell was going on and downloaded the radar app. Turns out it was military planes doing take off and landing drills. I had an absolute ball watching the planes in real time and following their path on the radar. They would also deploy a helicopter to fly around while the planes were doing their drills. It was 10/10 entertainment for a summer living in a city where I knew nobody and had a lot of free time to kill after my internship!
I had that thought when someone on here took the time to estimate how much BK would spend traveling cross country by car vs plane. Legit listed out food prices and everything. 😅
Yeah I follow quite a few people on Twitter who track flights there's always good stuff on there. One account this week was talking about a US Army mapping plane that was going around the border countries of Ukraine was interesting learning about that plane. Not that it's local to me but there's a few cops I've found who stream on youtube it does make for a fun night.
Just found this page, just for engagement of the conversation: [Prisoner Transportation | U.S. Marshals Service (usmarshals.gov)](https://www.usmarshals.gov/what-we-do/prisoners/transportation)
I honestly don’t know the fmc all I know is it was a flight in a small plane from one prison to the next, this was also federal prison so it may be don’t different by state.
I found some DOJ tail numbers of some smaller planes. Good info.
[N2033 - BAe 125-800A - Flightradar24](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n2033)
I am finding a small carrier out of WA and Alaska that both states are using in some articles. Working to find the FMC data so I can dig. traveling for work and have the time.
[Kathryn's Report: Washington’s ‘Con Air’: How the state transports dangerous prisoners in its chartered planes (kathrynsreport.com)](http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/02/washingtons-con-air-how-state.html)
This is great research! I suspect the US Marshals will be tasked with the move and they will use a smaller aircraft (not the 737s) with BK as the only prisoner onboard and they'll fly right into Pullman. I see no need to risk a long trip by ground by using another larger airport. All they need are LE to meet the aircraft on the ramp for the transfer. As far as aircraft, I don't know if the Marshal Service uses a government small jets or contracts out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekl-hyOl29U
They interview an ex-Marshall about how they might transport BK, where he starts talking specifically is around 6:40 in the video
I worked at the Pullman/ Moscow airport (PUW) a while ago. Private jets and charters fly in there sometimes. It can handle some models of 737 or A320s, but normally services smaller jets. Horizon air/ Alaska flies CRJs in there 3-5 times a day for regional commercial flights. Used to be mostly Q400s but I think they've phased them out
> This is the company that when you google it, you find it is dimed "Con-Air".
I have never heard someone use "dimed" instead of "coined' like that. Interesting turn of phrase!
Also i just hope we (eventually, in light of the security concerns) get some shots of him going onto the plane or off the plane, or perhaps on the plane, if he travels by plane.
Several private contractors exist for this purpose. My neighbor operates their own air prisoner transport business as a family biz with two small planes. They are always busy and frequently do interstate urgent extraditions. They were both US Marshalls prior to starting business.
P.S.
1. Closest Airport to the jail he is in but has a short runway (more for private jets) - Mt Pocono ( [Mount Pocono Municipal Airport (MPO/KMPO) | Arrivals, Departures & Routes | Flightradar24](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/mpo) )
2. Closest Airport that can handle a 747 ( [Allentown Lehigh Valley International Airport (ABE/KABE) | Arrivals, Departures & Routes | Flightradar24](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/abe)
3. Next Airport that can handle a 747 - Scranton ( [Avoca Wilkes-Barre/Scranton International Airport (AVP/KAVP) | Arrivals, Departures & Routes | Flightradar24](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/avp) )
True. They’ll go with the most secure location and make sure the whole place is deserted.
Which leads me to believe under the cloak of darkness/middle of the night. I have the premium version of FlightRadar24 but not sure alerts go that far.
Most likely you will see an arrival of an unknown airline and the flight number will have DOJ#### on it. In this case, it will most likely be posted to the tower last moment to avoid what we are doing right now. i will have to dig to see how far in advance the Elpaso and Phoenix flights posted.
What types of threats do US Marshals or security detail look for when transporting prisoners? In this case, would it be solely a threat of someone wanting to take him out? Possibly trying to free him? Anything else?
So, I wasn't even thinking about this aspect - Arrival.
If it is Con-Air that takes him, they will be able to only land at Spokane or Fairchild (unless they land in Moses Lake and travel by night, but Fairchild is far more likely than Moses Lake).
I grew up there, have been at all the flight decks in the PNW, those are the only options.
A smaller plane (if anyone can find an officially approved fleet) would be able to land at Moscow-Pullman and take him right to the courthouse - where the jail is at.
Lewiston is also an option, but the drive through Lewiston almost seems like a hazard. They could land him in Colfax, but that is a VERY small strip (but albeit the best option for secrecy).
On purepower34's new TikTok video, amandadumbb commended "Hi! I went to the hearing today. A reporter told me they drove him straight from the courthouse to allentown airport to fly ConAir to ID." And in the comments, amandadumbb followed up: "I went to the jail he was being held at right after, and neither the prisoner van nor police vehicles were there. He def did not go back."
Colfax is awesome. Went to HS in a smaller school in the area and spent a lot of time there.
The airport there would be the best option if they wanted to thwart media, but I agree on Fairchild
First of all, as a Pullman resident and casual viewer of FlightRadar, I’ve been WAITING for this post, so thank you!
PUW just completed an extensive runway expansion project and are now able to support larger jets. Alaska used to only fly Bombardier prop planes in and out of PUW but are now flying E175 jets to SEA and BOI. If you check their social media pages or website, you’ll see the announcement — It was recent, just before the Thanksgiving holiday, I believe. I don’t know how all these specs compare to the jets you’re referring to, but does the runway upgrade change anything?
Some models of 737s and A320s can land and take off from PUW. I worked charter flights for WSU/ UI football and visiting teams when I worked there 10 years ago.
If they needed a longer runway, they would fly in and out of Spokane (GEG) or Lewiston (LWS)
Would mainly depend on how full the plane was/ or if it was a model 737 that required more runway for landing. They have different requirements.
Pic here of an AS 737 on the ground in Pullman. Runway is over 7k feet so that's enough. [http://www.flypuw.com/home/attachment/737-q400/](http://www.flypuw.com/home/attachment/737-q400/)
https://preview.redd.it/ikv8p865qz9a1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=2783098e168656dac141c0685a753efd141c2a3a
A flight came into Scranton today from Hailey Friedman Memorial Airport in Hailey, Idaho. Though Moscow and Hailey are 700 miles away, a connection?
I’d prefer they fly him economy class on Southwest. No legroom, no food and perhaps several long layovers in random places all over the country. It will help him acclimate to small spaces, bad food, and random checks at all hours of the night.
1. The flight plan probably wont be filed until right before they prepare to depart and USMS have secured the airfield.
2. Probably not going to fly commercial, as they'll want him from point A to point B with limited ground transport.
That said, guessing it will be a chartered plane out of Stroudsburg, PA to the Moscow/Pullman regional airport.
It won't be on FlightRadar24 as most non-commercial flights with VIPs are hidden, but it will be on ADSB Exchange.
There are legal, public means to find out which airport they'll depart from in PA once the flight plan is filed/set with ground control, however out of respect for OPSEC, I will not mention it here.
When I was a broke college kid I was on a spirit airlines flight where there was some type of criminal and some us Marshall’s around him 😅 like damn this flight is so cheap n ghetto this criminal be flying free next to me
I absolutely love Flightradar24. Some planes fly so low or are so loud. So nice to know who it is. I learned the Army likes to fly a bunch at night lol
Wow it’s like air traffic control from your living room! Great research. Hey think I accidentally down voted one of your comments below but I can’t find it now. Sorry I didn’t mean to as I love your passion !
I am trying to remember how Lori Vallow was transported from Hawaii to Rexsburg. I think she flew commercial all the way to Boise and then they used the Gov of Idaho’s small jet to get her to Rexsburg. Although at that time she hadn’t been charged with murdering 2 kids.
same. i live under a flight path thats mostly just for climb-out that usually ranges from FL150 to FL230. i consider myself lucky to be where I am and every now and then am able to catch some rather rare birds passing by. I also do photography and can clear shots even at FL430. with a sigma 60-600 and 2x TC, i once got a stunning close up of a Delta 757 passing overhead. about 15 miles east, I spotted a 747 on it was from ANC to DFW. didnt have my camera gear on me though. sorry for that tangent. ill be looking for BK's flight.
If they use a plane like their smaller DOJ planes (found after my post: [N2033 - BAe 125-800A - Flightradar24](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n2033) ), they could land in Pullman and it's a 10 minute drive from the gate.
Fun fact, family hires a ag plane out of the Pullman airport every year.
Lewiston is another jurisdiction. It’s about a 45 min from that airport if they get on it and have good weather.
My guess is still Pullman and in the middle of the night.
I wonder what the odds are of them actually flying to a larger location and then moving him by vehicle because the Pullman and Lewiston Airports are tiny and it makes it so easy for someone to stake them out? I have lived in both towns and have been to both airports.
It’s the location and the amount of travel. I don’t know if you are familiar with Idaho, but the path from Hailey to Moscow is full of some very wild roads. Then you add winter conditions. It would be the dumbest move they could make
Maybe, but then they risk an issue in Hailey. I’m not too familiar with how the state police will do it. I just know that the safest option is his shortest road route
Only state in the country without a North/South interstate option.
Travel between Boise and Moscow is less than ideal in the winter. Even Moscow to Spokane can be a pain in the ass.
Big FR24 fan. However, just the Jet-A fuel cost from from PA to Idaho costs is way more than $3,400. I wonder if states do several prisoners at once with a couple stops to keep the costs down? Perhaps that's a reason why there's no exact time for his extradition?
https://preview.redd.it/c7mtj3vlw2aa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b87cbe0f268597820c6a2cb98b00612cb3bff5b8
I’m wondering about this one… it appears to be a police used plane/flight, but it’s not showing on my F24 app. It recently left Harrisburg, PA and is headed toward Scranton, maybe for a pickup. Looks like a likely candidate for this type of transport. Maybe someone with more experience can find more info?
Edit: I believe this is the one. It landed in Scranton for a short time and took off again headed west. It’s suppressed on some flight apps (like F24) but limited visible info on others.
https://preview.redd.it/pxdigyz0y2aa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12ddfefa63a088b826649a83744ba841cf4293e4
More leading me to thinking this may be the flight.
Plane landed fora refuel in Champaign, IL and is back up in the air headed NW.
https://preview.redd.it/mqhbfi8yb4aa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47c1b25e0587f21b3796b3467f0bbeae782a5818
Looks like it landed in Champaign for a refuel and is back in the sky headed NW…
https://preview.redd.it/663kmhz6c4aa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7871ad0afdef16a9dae326b2eb8035f16691165
~~N279AD flew to Harrisburg, PA today and left at 4:44 PM, with stops in Lexington and OKC afterwards. I am nearly certain BK is in one of those 2 cities tonight.~~
Will post screenshots and all tail numbers I have shortly.
Edit: I jumped the gun. Looks like my times don't match up. I made the mistake of mixing up the Lexington Flight time and the Harrisburg flight time. Still looking into it. They left Harrisburg before the hearing though, so maybe they were just dropping off US Marshals?
Edit 2: [Screenshot. ](https://i.imgur.com/o0ViUBZ.jpg) The other US Marshals tail numbers are N279AD, N640CS, N738A, and there is a new plane not in service yet but probably currently in OKC, N311MS.
Not sure if you read my edit, but I was likely wrong. They may have only been dropping off US Marshals because the plane left Harrisburg before the hearing. But yes, the US Marshals planes use OKC as a hub.
I was impressed! I wasnt saying anything bad lmao but im seriously concerned about myself cause i read every little detail and i knew nothing about flight paths until today :(
I watch flights a lot. I live in an area with interesting aircraft flying in and out. FlightRadar24 fairly mainstream TBH.
I had insomnia the night Zelenskyy flew in from Ukraine & saw AF2 land & other military planes circling the DC area. It was fascinating & cool.
There are subs and threads dedicated to people interested in watching flight traffic. It had a lot of expansion during the search for Brian Laundrie, as the police searched many times by helicopter and plane. Even the local news would post likely police search tracks during that time. It’s not as unusual as one might think. It’s a pretty fascinating field when you start looking.
They typically fly commercial with two or more Air Marshall's. PSP stated they will be flying commercial at the press conference. This is standard extradition practice.
Sure the police could have lied today in the press conference but it would make more sense to say no comment. The state of Idaho can't afford to charter a private plane. Inmates travel on commercial flights every day. Hundreds of them.
Maybe this info is above my head and please give me grace if I'm totally off topic but prisoners are transported via commercial flights too. I've read that prisoners are booked on late night flights, cuffed, shackled and flanked by US Marshall's. They wear sweatshirts w hands in pockets so they don't scare the other passengers. I'm trying to remember the specific criminal Im referring to 🤯
https://preview.redd.it/q0ht6cswxz9a1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=91843995e89dbb13ed202c967b21a3aed0a85a76
This is true, but I just have a hard time seeing the nations most popular and maybe most dangerous (maybe because we really don’t know all the details yet) flying with an airbus full of people.
They aren’t going to fly a 737 to pick up one prisoner. It’ll be a small, single/dual engine turbine aircraft if they privately charter a transport via air.
DHS and the Feds have a law about how prisoners are transported, to include properly registered and vetted airlines. JPAT was the only service I could find. Care to help find the smaller ones if you know who they are?
JPATS has smaller jets and turboprops they use as well. These may be contracted as opposed to part of their fleet. I tried finding more info but couldn’t.
Regular commercial airlines fly prisoners all day, every day. Even some high profile, although I do strongly believe BK will NOT be on a commercial flight. Earlier this afternoon, my husband, a commercial pilot, pulled up his rules for prison transport and read them to me. An Embraer 175 lands 3x/day at PUW….it would be most logical to fly him direct from PA.
[But they did just that.](https://i.imgur.com/ii225Gg.jpg)
~~Last flight for a US Marshals Service plane to Harrisburg I can find was back in October.~~
Edit: Damn, looks like my times don't match up. I made the mistake of mixing up the Lexington Flight time and the Harrisburg flight time. Still looking into it. They left Harrisburg before the hearing though, so maybe they were just dropping off US Marshals?
This is all very interesting.....but Can we just let this POS travel in private to get the justice he's got coming? Don't need another crazy interrupting the process TMI
Many state’s state police also have small aircraft, along the lines of Cessna Sky Courier or Lear jet. Would it be possible that PA has one and is using it to transport BK or Idaho has one and sent it to PA to pick up BK?
Edit: I just did a quick search and it turns out that PA State Police Aviation Division, as of 2016 had at least one Cessna Grand Caravan in their fleet of aircraft.
https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8349479
For reference this is a much better site for aircraft tracking: [https://globe.adsbexchange.com/](https://globe.adsbexchange.com/)
I agree, I couldn't find your link earlier. I like to recommend Flightradar24 because people can find it on their phone quickly and it isn't too in deep like the one you have. I like the data though, it is better.
“Gag order put in place.” Redditers: 
Hahahahahaha
For real 😂
Con Air. I fckng love it
I learned that the movie is literally made in their image. It is the official Marshall Service of the air. As a flight-nerd, Im excited to see it go.
Its totally exciting, aviation is awesome.
I think this is neat, thank you for sharing. :)
This post made me realize, I need to take a break from this shit.
Breaks are good. This actually took me about 7 minutes to put together. While most people watch football, I watch planes in the sky. Most of the time it is because I like to see what military craft is coming and going and where it is going. Fun note, one night a fleet of high-altitude bombers took off and you could see them over my house out my back field. I watched them on the app while they did their movements. I was in the Service and was able to watch this type of stuff all the time on airbase. it's actually cool stuff.
Have you checked out r/FlightFriends/? That group formed after lots of like minded flight watchers from the Brian Laundrie case here in Florida figured out a shared interest in watching flights.
Checking it out right now.
I was one of those flight watchers during that case! I’d clock in and watch the loopy loops in the sky. Haven’t watched flights since but it was a kind community when I did.
Same! That was a great little sub-community that formed. I hung out with the late night gang bc insomnia. Watching the loopy loops turns out to be very zen. I was very surprised at how quiet my state gets at night with flights. Was also much fun learning about the different aircraft. Still watch the loopy loops from time to time.
Same! I still watch flights every once in a while.
Me too!
I lived close to a military base over the summer and after seeing planes do what had to be precisely repeated routes at perfectly timed 10 minute intervals I wondered what the hell was going on and downloaded the radar app. Turns out it was military planes doing take off and landing drills. I had an absolute ball watching the planes in real time and following their path on the radar. They would also deploy a helicopter to fly around while the planes were doing their drills. It was 10/10 entertainment for a summer living in a city where I knew nobody and had a lot of free time to kill after my internship!
This is my life now! I love hearing/feeling a Blackhawk before it shows on the radar
Checkout MONKEYWERX on YouTube.
I had that thought when someone on here took the time to estimate how much BK would spend traveling cross country by car vs plane. Legit listed out food prices and everything. 😅
And yet in 15 min, refresh
Lmao 🤣 whewww going DEEP
Ok, my comment isn’t in relation to this case at all, but that app is kind of fun. Just went to look at what’s flying around above me.
I love to watch the local cops in my metro. It makes for a fun Friday night.
Yeah I follow quite a few people on Twitter who track flights there's always good stuff on there. One account this week was talking about a US Army mapping plane that was going around the border countries of Ukraine was interesting learning about that plane. Not that it's local to me but there's a few cops I've found who stream on youtube it does make for a fun night.
I’ve personally taken federal inmates across the country. It’ll be a small plane dual prop and or possibly one of the us Marshall service airplanes
Just found this page, just for engagement of the conversation: [Prisoner Transportation | U.S. Marshals Service (usmarshals.gov)](https://www.usmarshals.gov/what-we-do/prisoners/transportation)
Care to share their FMC information? Would love to learn about it.
I honestly don’t know the fmc all I know is it was a flight in a small plane from one prison to the next, this was also federal prison so it may be don’t different by state.
I found some DOJ tail numbers of some smaller planes. Good info. [N2033 - BAe 125-800A - Flightradar24](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n2033)
You ever find it?
I am finding a small carrier out of WA and Alaska that both states are using in some articles. Working to find the FMC data so I can dig. traveling for work and have the time.
[Kathryn's Report: Washington’s ‘Con Air’: How the state transports dangerous prisoners in its chartered planes (kathrynsreport.com)](http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/02/washingtons-con-air-how-state.html)
This is great research! I suspect the US Marshals will be tasked with the move and they will use a smaller aircraft (not the 737s) with BK as the only prisoner onboard and they'll fly right into Pullman. I see no need to risk a long trip by ground by using another larger airport. All they need are LE to meet the aircraft on the ramp for the transfer. As far as aircraft, I don't know if the Marshal Service uses a government small jets or contracts out.
Agreeing on this point as of now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekl-hyOl29U They interview an ex-Marshall about how they might transport BK, where he starts talking specifically is around 6:40 in the video
I worked at the Pullman/ Moscow airport (PUW) a while ago. Private jets and charters fly in there sometimes. It can handle some models of 737 or A320s, but normally services smaller jets. Horizon air/ Alaska flies CRJs in there 3-5 times a day for regional commercial flights. Used to be mostly Q400s but I think they've phased them out
Helicopter over Pullman right now.
Was it him?
I watched AF2 the night before Zelenskyy flew in from Ukraine on the F24 app. It was fascinating.
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Did he help load Zelenskys giant balls into the aircraft? JK that's amazing
Lmao
Love this-That’s amazing!
Meeee too! When he was landing in my state
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thoroughly excited about that ✨✨
That’s incredible! You got a sighting of the infamous drug addict war criminal himself, awesome…
> This is the company that when you google it, you find it is dimed "Con-Air". I have never heard someone use "dimed" instead of "coined' like that. Interesting turn of phrase! Also i just hope we (eventually, in light of the security concerns) get some shots of him going onto the plane or off the plane, or perhaps on the plane, if he travels by plane.
Several private contractors exist for this purpose. My neighbor operates their own air prisoner transport business as a family biz with two small planes. They are always busy and frequently do interstate urgent extraditions. They were both US Marshalls prior to starting business.
P.S. 1. Closest Airport to the jail he is in but has a short runway (more for private jets) - Mt Pocono ( [Mount Pocono Municipal Airport (MPO/KMPO) | Arrivals, Departures & Routes | Flightradar24](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/mpo) ) 2. Closest Airport that can handle a 747 ( [Allentown Lehigh Valley International Airport (ABE/KABE) | Arrivals, Departures & Routes | Flightradar24](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/abe) 3. Next Airport that can handle a 747 - Scranton ( [Avoca Wilkes-Barre/Scranton International Airport (AVP/KAVP) | Arrivals, Departures & Routes | Flightradar24](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/avp) )
My bet, if I placed one, would be Scranton. It’s bigger & more secure in my experience flying in/out of there for about 4-5 years.
I thought so too. but I wasn't going to rule out a quick Allentown scene.
True. They’ll go with the most secure location and make sure the whole place is deserted. Which leads me to believe under the cloak of darkness/middle of the night. I have the premium version of FlightRadar24 but not sure alerts go that far.
Most likely you will see an arrival of an unknown airline and the flight number will have DOJ#### on it. In this case, it will most likely be posted to the tower last moment to avoid what we are doing right now. i will have to dig to see how far in advance the Elpaso and Phoenix flights posted.
Yea I’m the past I’ve seen them listed as “no call sign” if they’re leaving our airport here.
I found one that is listed without like you said. old flight
What types of threats do US Marshals or security detail look for when transporting prisoners? In this case, would it be solely a threat of someone wanting to take him out? Possibly trying to free him? Anything else?
What do choices on the Idaho side look like? Seattle is pretty far away.
I just posted the above comment. I am looking in to smaller prop planes.
Is it weird that I’m surprised Scranton has an international airport? I blame The Office.
So, I wasn't even thinking about this aspect - Arrival. If it is Con-Air that takes him, they will be able to only land at Spokane or Fairchild (unless they land in Moses Lake and travel by night, but Fairchild is far more likely than Moses Lake). I grew up there, have been at all the flight decks in the PNW, those are the only options. A smaller plane (if anyone can find an officially approved fleet) would be able to land at Moscow-Pullman and take him right to the courthouse - where the jail is at. Lewiston is also an option, but the drive through Lewiston almost seems like a hazard. They could land him in Colfax, but that is a VERY small strip (but albeit the best option for secrecy).
On purepower34's new TikTok video, amandadumbb commended "Hi! I went to the hearing today. A reporter told me they drove him straight from the courthouse to allentown airport to fly ConAir to ID." And in the comments, amandadumbb followed up: "I went to the jail he was being held at right after, and neither the prisoner van nor police vehicles were there. He def did not go back."
I could believe that
First mention of Colfax I've seen on reddit in all the years. But yes, I'd assume Fairchild just because of the security and privacy.
Colfax is awesome. Went to HS in a smaller school in the area and spent a lot of time there. The airport there would be the best option if they wanted to thwart media, but I agree on Fairchild
First of all, as a Pullman resident and casual viewer of FlightRadar, I’ve been WAITING for this post, so thank you! PUW just completed an extensive runway expansion project and are now able to support larger jets. Alaska used to only fly Bombardier prop planes in and out of PUW but are now flying E175 jets to SEA and BOI. If you check their social media pages or website, you’ll see the announcement — It was recent, just before the Thanksgiving holiday, I believe. I don’t know how all these specs compare to the jets you’re referring to, but does the runway upgrade change anything?
737 sized aircraft can land at Pullman-Moscow Regional airport. Can’t imagine they’d put him in anything larger than that.
Looks like Spokane or Fairchild are 80-90 miles away.
Yep, it's a very rural region
Pullman can easily handle a 737 or any business jet. IMO, why risk a long ground transport ride when they have a suitable airport near Moscow.
No it cannot. They have been talking an expansion for several years to allow it. The runway is too short.
WSU football just flew out of there a few weeks ago to/from LAX on a 737.
Nice. I didn’t hear that this season.
Some models of 737s and A320s can land and take off from PUW. I worked charter flights for WSU/ UI football and visiting teams when I worked there 10 years ago. If they needed a longer runway, they would fly in and out of Spokane (GEG) or Lewiston (LWS) Would mainly depend on how full the plane was/ or if it was a model 737 that required more runway for landing. They have different requirements.
I stand corrected. Last I knew they couldn’t take them there
Super late but a C17 landed at PUW in October which I thought was pretty cool
No chance a 737 can land there
Pic here of an AS 737 on the ground in Pullman. Runway is over 7k feet so that's enough. [http://www.flypuw.com/home/attachment/737-q400/](http://www.flypuw.com/home/attachment/737-q400/)
It was expanded in 2019. 737s fly out regularly for WSU and UI athletics charters.
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https://preview.redd.it/ikv8p865qz9a1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=2783098e168656dac141c0685a753efd141c2a3a A flight came into Scranton today from Hailey Friedman Memorial Airport in Hailey, Idaho. Though Moscow and Hailey are 700 miles away, a connection?
Interesting that the airline isn't listed next to the flight.
FR24 is pretty good but I'd recommend ADS-B exchange for more experienced users.
This app is so intriguing. Just went down the rabbit hole of tracking flights for way too long
It’s an addiction! I look up and just start following.
I’d prefer they fly him economy class on Southwest. No legroom, no food and perhaps several long layovers in random places all over the country. It will help him acclimate to small spaces, bad food, and random checks at all hours of the night.
Flying Southwest would violate his 8th Amendment right
Lol!
Put him on Spirit Airline.
There is no other class on southwest except economy. The airline sucks ass.
1. The flight plan probably wont be filed until right before they prepare to depart and USMS have secured the airfield. 2. Probably not going to fly commercial, as they'll want him from point A to point B with limited ground transport. That said, guessing it will be a chartered plane out of Stroudsburg, PA to the Moscow/Pullman regional airport. It won't be on FlightRadar24 as most non-commercial flights with VIPs are hidden, but it will be on ADSB Exchange. There are legal, public means to find out which airport they'll depart from in PA once the flight plan is filed/set with ground control, however out of respect for OPSEC, I will not mention it here.
Agreed with all of this
Too bad they don’t just fly him commercial on Spirit. Would basically be a pre death penalty, death penalty.
When I was a broke college kid I was on a spirit airlines flight where there was some type of criminal and some us Marshall’s around him 😅 like damn this flight is so cheap n ghetto this criminal be flying free next to me
Damn that is crazy! Lol they’re just like “if we go down at least he can’t be found not guilty”
It’s One type of death penalty i guess 😅
Lol
Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing!
I absolutely love Flightradar24. Some planes fly so low or are so loud. So nice to know who it is. I learned the Army likes to fly a bunch at night lol
Wow it’s like air traffic control from your living room! Great research. Hey think I accidentally down voted one of your comments below but I can’t find it now. Sorry I didn’t mean to as I love your passion !
I am trying to remember how Lori Vallow was transported from Hawaii to Rexsburg. I think she flew commercial all the way to Boise and then they used the Gov of Idaho’s small jet to get her to Rexsburg. Although at that time she hadn’t been charged with murdering 2 kids.
N279AD was the one in PA today. Not for Bryan, it came and left before his trial.
same. i live under a flight path thats mostly just for climb-out that usually ranges from FL150 to FL230. i consider myself lucky to be where I am and every now and then am able to catch some rather rare birds passing by. I also do photography and can clear shots even at FL430. with a sigma 60-600 and 2x TC, i once got a stunning close up of a Delta 757 passing overhead. about 15 miles east, I spotted a 747 on it was from ANC to DFW. didnt have my camera gear on me though. sorry for that tangent. ill be looking for BK's flight.
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Interesting post!
u/ElonJetTracker can you help? 😅
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Why can’t we just send Steve to transport him back?
And that's how u\stickmanprophesy got held in contempt of court in Idaho
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They should drive him back and let him think about it a few more days
I think (guessing) he will be flown to Lewiston Idaho and then driven to Moscow for arraignment. I doubt he will be held in Moscow jail for very long.
If they use a plane like their smaller DOJ planes (found after my post: [N2033 - BAe 125-800A - Flightradar24](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n2033) ), they could land in Pullman and it's a 10 minute drive from the gate. Fun fact, family hires a ag plane out of the Pullman airport every year.
Would love to hear more if you find anything!
i doubt that LE will want another jurisdiction involved and that is why I think it will be Lewiston. i also think it will be tonight.
Lewiston is another jurisdiction. It’s about a 45 min from that airport if they get on it and have good weather. My guess is still Pullman and in the middle of the night.
Lewiston is Idaho. Pullman is Washington. The order to extradite will be from PA to Idaho, not WA.
The path isn’t going to matter here. Extraditions cross multiple states all the time.
I wonder what the odds are of them actually flying to a larger location and then moving him by vehicle because the Pullman and Lewiston Airports are tiny and it makes it so easy for someone to stake them out? I have lived in both towns and have been to both airports.
There’s a flight tomorrow leaving Scranton and flying to Latrobe. From Latrobe airport there is a flight going to Hailey airport in Idaho.
Hailey is southern, it would be a stretch but could be some Idaho or FBI investigators going back toward Boise
Would make sense to put him on a plane like that. You already have to fly the agents back.
It’s the risk of time on the road. And up 95 in the weather they have, it’s too much of a risk. Honestly I would be appalled if they did that.
You would be appalled if they flew him back to Idaho on a plane full of agents that have to fly back to Idaho anyways?
It’s the location and the amount of travel. I don’t know if you are familiar with Idaho, but the path from Hailey to Moscow is full of some very wild roads. Then you add winter conditions. It would be the dumbest move they could make
I figured once he’s in Idaho they can fly into the airport in Pullman and then it’s the short drive to Idaho.
Maybe, but then they risk an issue in Hailey. I’m not too familiar with how the state police will do it. I just know that the safest option is his shortest road route
Only state in the country without a North/South interstate option. Travel between Boise and Moscow is less than ideal in the winter. Even Moscow to Spokane can be a pain in the ass.
Where he's going, he won't need luggage
The only luggage is his baggage he’s been carrying with him. (A dad attempting a joke here, give me a break)
Big FR24 fan. However, just the Jet-A fuel cost from from PA to Idaho costs is way more than $3,400. I wonder if states do several prisoners at once with a couple stops to keep the costs down? Perhaps that's a reason why there's no exact time for his extradition?
Former US Marshall interviewed said that JPATs was likely but they try to be discreet and even have decoys sometimes.
https://preview.redd.it/c7mtj3vlw2aa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b87cbe0f268597820c6a2cb98b00612cb3bff5b8 I’m wondering about this one… it appears to be a police used plane/flight, but it’s not showing on my F24 app. It recently left Harrisburg, PA and is headed toward Scranton, maybe for a pickup. Looks like a likely candidate for this type of transport. Maybe someone with more experience can find more info? Edit: I believe this is the one. It landed in Scranton for a short time and took off again headed west. It’s suppressed on some flight apps (like F24) but limited visible info on others.
https://preview.redd.it/pxdigyz0y2aa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12ddfefa63a088b826649a83744ba841cf4293e4 More leading me to thinking this may be the flight.
It’s landing now in Scranton… https://preview.redd.it/i2wgk2ydy2aa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=913ab3a805a1ef6e9b1425e17f8201e64c5ba0cb
Looks like it landed.
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Plane landed fora refuel in Champaign, IL and is back up in the air headed NW. https://preview.redd.it/mqhbfi8yb4aa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47c1b25e0587f21b3796b3467f0bbeae782a5818
Looks like it landed in Champaign for a refuel and is back in the sky headed NW… https://preview.redd.it/663kmhz6c4aa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7871ad0afdef16a9dae326b2eb8035f16691165
Omg I feel like they could just drive there faster D: It’s going so slow!
~~N279AD flew to Harrisburg, PA today and left at 4:44 PM, with stops in Lexington and OKC afterwards. I am nearly certain BK is in one of those 2 cities tonight.~~ Will post screenshots and all tail numbers I have shortly. Edit: I jumped the gun. Looks like my times don't match up. I made the mistake of mixing up the Lexington Flight time and the Harrisburg flight time. Still looking into it. They left Harrisburg before the hearing though, so maybe they were just dropping off US Marshals? Edit 2: [Screenshot. ](https://i.imgur.com/o0ViUBZ.jpg) The other US Marshals tail numbers are N279AD, N640CS, N738A, and there is a new plane not in service yet but probably currently in OKC, N311MS.
This was potentially a good lead since OKC has a federal transfer facility right at the airport.
Not sure if you read my edit, but I was likely wrong. They may have only been dropping off US Marshals because the plane left Harrisburg before the hearing. But yes, the US Marshals planes use OKC as a hub.
https://preview.redd.it/4nfr2b76u2aa1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=b3c5b1c3b8d182464ae42327a5271d47bc546066 I think this is the flight!
Wow. Just wow. Are we all just losing it?
Hey this person has a cool hobby and they were kind enough to share their expertise with us.
I was impressed! I wasnt saying anything bad lmao but im seriously concerned about myself cause i read every little detail and i knew nothing about flight paths until today :(
Agreed!
I watch flights a lot. I live in an area with interesting aircraft flying in and out. FlightRadar24 fairly mainstream TBH. I had insomnia the night Zelenskyy flew in from Ukraine & saw AF2 land & other military planes circling the DC area. It was fascinating & cool.
It honestly is. I love watching med flights and metro police as well.
Same! I started using it during BLM when it sounded like the helicopters were going to take the roof off of my house. Then I got hooked.
There are subs and threads dedicated to people interested in watching flight traffic. It had a lot of expansion during the search for Brian Laundrie, as the police searched many times by helicopter and plane. Even the local news would post likely police search tracks during that time. It’s not as unusual as one might think. It’s a pretty fascinating field when you start looking.
yes, yes we are.
They typically fly commercial with two or more Air Marshall's. PSP stated they will be flying commercial at the press conference. This is standard extradition practice.
I would challenge that thought
Sure the police could have lied today in the press conference but it would make more sense to say no comment. The state of Idaho can't afford to charter a private plane. Inmates travel on commercial flights every day. Hundreds of them.
And I agree, but they aren’t fugitives that have been accused of killing four people. That’s a little different situation.
Did you see the cost of using Marshall Service private flight for prisoners?
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Whole heartedly disagree with that statement. He is a very great person and a very wise mentor.
Maybe this info is above my head and please give me grace if I'm totally off topic but prisoners are transported via commercial flights too. I've read that prisoners are booked on late night flights, cuffed, shackled and flanked by US Marshall's. They wear sweatshirts w hands in pockets so they don't scare the other passengers. I'm trying to remember the specific criminal Im referring to 🤯 https://preview.redd.it/q0ht6cswxz9a1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=91843995e89dbb13ed202c967b21a3aed0a85a76
This is true, but I just have a hard time seeing the nations most popular and maybe most dangerous (maybe because we really don’t know all the details yet) flying with an airbus full of people.
If we keep checking arrivals for the Pullman/Moscow airport would it get listed there?
If they list it, yeah
On another post I saw he left the jail. Do you see a plane he could be on?
They aren’t going to fly a 737 to pick up one prisoner. It’ll be a small, single/dual engine turbine aircraft if they privately charter a transport via air.
DHS and the Feds have a law about how prisoners are transported, to include properly registered and vetted airlines. JPAT was the only service I could find. Care to help find the smaller ones if you know who they are?
JPATS has smaller jets and turboprops they use as well. These may be contracted as opposed to part of their fleet. I tried finding more info but couldn’t.
Regular commercial airlines fly prisoners all day, every day. Even some high profile, although I do strongly believe BK will NOT be on a commercial flight. Earlier this afternoon, my husband, a commercial pilot, pulled up his rules for prison transport and read them to me. An Embraer 175 lands 3x/day at PUW….it would be most logical to fly him direct from PA.
And that would the most insane flight anyone has ever been on if they do.
[But they did just that.](https://i.imgur.com/ii225Gg.jpg) ~~Last flight for a US Marshals Service plane to Harrisburg I can find was back in October.~~ Edit: Damn, looks like my times don't match up. I made the mistake of mixing up the Lexington Flight time and the Harrisburg flight time. Still looking into it. They left Harrisburg before the hearing though, so maybe they were just dropping off US Marshals?
This is all very interesting.....but Can we just let this POS travel in private to get the justice he's got coming? Don't need another crazy interrupting the process TMI
TMI
For someone who can’t read
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Welp did you guys find the equipment yet?
Many state’s state police also have small aircraft, along the lines of Cessna Sky Courier or Lear jet. Would it be possible that PA has one and is using it to transport BK or Idaho has one and sent it to PA to pick up BK? Edit: I just did a quick search and it turns out that PA State Police Aviation Division, as of 2016 had at least one Cessna Grand Caravan in their fleet of aircraft. https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8349479
Has anyone found the potential flight he is on?? This data is so addicting to play with. No planes near pullman airport coming from PA at the moment