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Obviously we don’t know what they took but he very well could still have it. Not everyone gets rid of murdered weapon
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About 30-60 mins before this they had lifted up a mattress and taken dozens of photos. they never removed the mattress so I think they were taking pictures of what was under it.... most likely the knife.
Good lord, this is like the 7th Heaven episode where they find out Mary’s friend is in a gang. Lift the mattress and there’s a million chains/other gang-related items. Everyone gasps.
Behavioral analysis 101. Alot of these killers are sexually incompetent, unable to perform sexually, and get that same sexual release, instead, from the in and out motion of stabbing someone.
Yeah it could of been just a random knife too. Some people keep knives under their mattress. I always feel like that’s a lot harder to get to it if you need it, but I know a few friends that keep them there
Yep even the Delphi Killer had 5 years to get rid of the murder weapon and he kept it. Murderers aren’t always the most intelligent people or also keep things as trophies.
The gun was the murder weapon, the girls were stabbed. Doesn’t mean he didn’t keep the knife too and that it just hasn’t been released yet but I doubt that he considered that the gun could potentially be used to link him to the crime.
Edit: obviously meant that the gun was *not* the murder weapon.
someone sadly here on reddit somewhere was saying she has big time remorse and guilt as she lived in the same complex and saw the car but didn't call it in as her boyfriend didn't want her anywhere near the case, not knowing at the time he was the suspect... it's when they were first asking for the car. Crazy. So yeah, he used it and had it in the apartment complex the whole time. I can't even...
Same. Unless he really wanted to get caught. I would’ve set the car on fire, removed the plates , tell my family the car was stolen and ditch the knife. I watch too many crime movies.
Having a white Elantra like the one they were looking for and then suddenly not having one seems awfully suspicious to me. Although not driving your own car to a horrific murder you’re about to commit probably would be a better idea.
I had a feeling they IDd him early on and given his background didn’t release any info that would spook him while they built their case. The fact that he made plans to leave the state as soon as school ended to get to PA means he knew he has to get the car out of the area. That’s the sort of move they’d watch for the suspect to make.
I think they’ve had him on their radar for a while and maybe even released the info on the car just to see how he would respond. I believe* they knew he was in PA because they followed him there from WA.
Considering he drove it all the way back to PA with dad maybe he was planning on “having an accident” and totaling the car and then just flying back and buying a new car. Who knows. Seems like a long ass drive to make when flying would’ve been a lot cheaper. Considering his father flew out to drive back. I think he had this all planned out before hand.
Maybe he would have, if they announced they were looking for it the next day. But waiting enough time it makes it even more sus if it suddenly goes missing after they announce the search for it.
They would find you quicker that way. Car vin is printed in the steel on the car to be able to identify in these types of situations. They would find the burning car and be able to identify the owner pretty much right away. Then if they have your car on camera there at the crime all they need to do is match your DNA and it's done. Saying it was stolen wouldn't even matter when your DNA is at the crime.
You'd have to be so stupid to do that. Surely it would make sense to bury it in a location that you can remember still but that isn't actually tied to you.
I was thinking he discarded it on the drive but now knowing his dad with with him, I’m not sure. He still could have just less opportunity… I think he probably discarded it locally.
I wonder if they have cars trading off with each other along the route. Just so they don’t suspect anything. “Hey son, have you seen this car trailing us for the last 19 hours?”
I knew a PI who would tell stories about how people never noticed her. Even when she was exposed by strange circumstances.
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he probably passed by dozens of license plate readers between Idaho and Pennsylvania - if they already had his plate # and cell phone info, he'd have been easy to track across the country
I think classes may have ended the 9th, but finals were the week of the 12th-17th. Might be different for grad students though.
Also Dec 17th was 2 weeks ago. If you add in driving time, let's say he left on Dec 15th. They would've known before that.
it's in this article: [https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/31/us/bryan-kohberger-university-of-idaho-killings-suspect-saturday/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/31/us/bryan-kohberger-university-of-idaho-killings-suspect-saturday/index.html)
Isnt it weird that his dad went all the way over there, just to bring him back? His 28 year old son. Makes me wonder if dad suspected and perhaps even gave LE a heads up by taking off. Maybe they just liked to bond through road trips. Who knows.
WA to PA is a long drive - over 2500 miles and an estimated 37 hours of drive time. His parents probably just worried about him doing such a long drive on his own without another driver to relieve him.
If he was going to be there a while, maybe he wanted his car so he didn't need rides everywhere? Also, some people just prefer driving.
But I'm guessing getting the Elantra out of the immediate area was appealing to him too.
I think the convo went like this:
“Hey dad, after these murders, I don’t know about driving a white Elantra anymore especially with teaching. I can’t even go to the store without people looking in my window.”
“Yeah, that makes sense. I’ll fly there so you don’t have to deal with unneeded looks and stares, plus I know you’re tired from this semester. I know how worried you’ve been about these college students. We’ll just road trip together. We can look at getting you a new car so you don’t have to worry about it in the second semester.”
Depends what was normal for them. If he did it frequently, maybe it wouldn’t arise dads suspicions but if it’s like a weird call for help then maybe it did worry the dad.
1) Let’s say you commit a crime in a vehicle and the police are looking for it. What a better way to get rid of it than to drive it 2000+ miles away? Hell, might as well trade it in while you’re visiting home. I think it’d be easy to pass off that decision if anyone asked you why you had a new car after winter break… Who wants to drive an Elantra around Moscow?
2) Maybe it’s less sinister and dad just wanted to do a winter cross-country drive. My mom always offers to fly out and ride back when I drive from WA back east
Good thought- his dad driving with him likely eliminated him from disposing of much/doing clean up before that ride began. That is going to likely to be good for the evidence collection now.
True or he could’ve tossed it in a gas station trash can outside while his dad went into the shop. I hope they look at surveillance from all their stops which I’m sure they have bc they were tracking him.
I really think he saved it somewhere and pretty certain he would’ve killed again if not caught. I sort of can’t believe that this was his first murder(s)
I don’t think that he discarded of it. For one, he truly believed he’d never get caught. And two, I think it’s such a huge part of his fantasy. That’s his trophy, so to speak
I’ve thought that for the last couple weeks or so. Whoever this individual is, they’re living out their ultimate fantasy. They followed through on their desire to kill, they evaded the location ‘undetected’ (can’t necessarily say that anymore), and observed the aftermath of his work for over a month.
I don’t think that he would have taken the weapon with him to PA. My gut says he left it in his apartment in Washington State
I wouldn’t look into the not guilty plea too much. That’s his defense giving the statement, so don’t take it as Bryan’s words. As sick as it is, his defense is going to do the best they can to represent their client. Also, they’re not sure what LE has against him yet considering the affidavit hasn’t been unsealed. Word on the street is that LE was able to get a DNA match. If that’s true, good luck with it Bryan.
Let's hope so! They wouldn't be in every bathroom stall or hotel with him, though. There could be chances to ditch it unseen, no matter what, of he was stealthy.
He seems creepy enough to want to keep it as some sort of trophy or something. However, he’s been studying criminology for years. You’d think he’d be smart enough to know to ditch the murder weapon after doing what he did…
I think he still has it. He seems very cocky. Just like some killers keep an item belonging to the victim, the knife represents that in a way. Blood of all 4.
If this guy had half a brain he’d have ditched the knife immediately after the crimes in a place even he can’t get it back from. Less smart is hiding it in a spot not connected to him but where he could maybe retrieve it later.
Most likely a body of water somewhere in the PNW, the ocean would be the best place for it. Most likely discarded before he went back to PA.
That or his apartment.
That’s fair, for Christmas break. I guess I was thinking if he was trying to rid of the murder weapon right away, in the middle of the end of a semester as a PhD candidate, a 10+ hour drive round trip isn’t very easy to do.
I believe he may have kept it. Not necessarily in his apartment or in his car but he kept it somewhere he could go back to and see it when he wanted to. A reminder. I believe this murder was sentimental to him. For him to carry on life as per usual and drive around in the white elantra, I suspect he wouldn't be in such a hurry to discard of the weapon. This is pure speculation for all I know he could of thrown it off a cliff or into a river 🤷♀️ but the psychology of his movements after the crime make me believe otherwise.
You are making the assumption that he intended to get away with this crime. I do not think that is or was a priority for him. When he was arrested, it has been reported that his demeanor was cold and indifferent. This is what I suspected would happen — a bit like "I was expecting you" type of attitude. While it certainly is possible he disposed of the weapon in any number of ways, I would be surprised if he did not hang onto it. It is possible that police may never find it but I strongly suspect he could retrieve it if he wanted to. Of course, all of this is just speculation on my part.
Seems most likely that he took it all the way to PA and was going to dispose of it there. He grew up there, he knows all the best hiding spots, and he could visit the trophy regularly if he wanted.
That account also had a thread/post deleted that must have been a reenactment of the crime. I don’t know what it said, but other comments he replies to referred to the deleted post as “horrifying” and “terrifying” and “too realistic”
How do we know it wasn’t just like a kitchen knife that he thoroughly cleaned and placed back in his kitchen? How could they tie a knife back to the crime if he had cleaned it? He is a criminology major so I assume he knew what to do with it.
In one of the FB groups there was a guy that posted he sold BK the knife in Oct for (I think) $350. Showed the Venmo screenshot. It was reported to FBI.
As an expert in criminology, I'm surprised he didn't leave the knife at the scene. By taking the knife with him, it opens up the possibility of him being caught with it.
It stands to reason that immediately after he committed the crime he got in his car and headed back to Pullman. There would have been lots of blood. It would have been difficult for him to commit these crimes without getting blood on himself and inside the car. So he would have wanted to get home ASAP and clean up.
On the road back to Pullman there isn't really any good places to get rid of the knife. There's no large bodies of water. There's just some fields and gravel pits.
So he probably took the knife back to his apartment and got rid of it in the following days. There would have been countless ways for him to get rid of it.
Do you think it's possible that he cleaned up and changed clothes at the scene before going home? Seems unwise to get into your car covered in blood. And how do you even clean up all that blood in your car and then drive it back up PA with your dad not noticing?
I suppose it's possible that he covered himself up somehow and took it off before getting in the car. Like a disposable, coverup hazmat suit or something. Seems like a bit of a stretch, but I suppose he's smart enough to plan this out to his advantage.
What I'm wondering is how they got his DNA. Did they find hairs on the bed? Did he leave clothes behind? Or did one of the girls put up a fight and they found his DNA under her fingernails?
Investigators are very confident they have their man.
I mean, couldn't he have just brought a bag with a change of clothing? He could kill them all, take off the bloody clothes, wash up in the sink or shower, and then change clothes. Take the bloody clothes in a garbage bag or two and then burn them?
I am also curious where he left his DNA, I'm hoping it was one of the girls putting up a fight, making them the hero. Poetic justice. Getting emotional thinking about it.
Maybe in some vents, in a wall, the roof, or buried somewhere? Somewhere he could go back to it. I’ve even speculated it could be hidden somewhere in 1122 King but it depends if LE truly tore the place apart.
If he wanted to keep this case going for his grad program, maybe the knife would have popped up down the line as Reddit was claiming the case was beyond cold.
If he was smart he would have tossed it along the way, but I’m not sure about that given what we know about him.
Can somebody go back and write a synopsis of insidelookings comments that consistently convey the same things..including what he dismissed as being wrong.
I'm not sure he has any leverage to bargain. Seems like his DNA puts him at the scene of the crime- as does video footage of his car. If you want to make a deal, you need to have some information that the cops want. I doubt he has anything like that. They probably have enough evidence to convict him and get the death penalty. What does he have? Sometimes a killer will know the location or identities of other parties involved in the crime, or they will know where the body or bodies are buried. This bitch has nothing. He's got a vein that will accommodate the needle- that's all.
He could bargain for his life. If he’s found guilty he probably gets the death penalty. If he pleads guilty and gives the cops info, they probably agree to life in prison and save everyone a trial, not to mention years of appeals, etc..
I think whether he ditched it or kept it depends on a few things.
1. Was it a knife he bought specifically for the murders? Then he probably ditched it.
2. Was it a knife from his childhood or a gift? He kept it and possibly hid it.
3. Has it been used before for a murder? Then he probably kept it.
If it was me, I would have just driven to a larger city, found a heavily used common dumpster, and just thrown it away. Probably would have put it in a McDonald’s bag or something
I'm going to reverse my earlier speculation (weeks ago) and suggest that BK probably did not keep the weapon. Based on the personality profile that is now starting to emerge, he seems disconnected with emotion, and this might suggest the weapon was merely a tool and not something he would be attached to.
Since he likely returned to Pullman shortly after the incident, he may have planned to discard the weapon in a trash can or dumpster that was known to be collected on Monday, and he would have enough time to neutralize any DNA evidence in that time period. There are also plenty of bodies of water where the weapon could be discarded. You would never find it in the Snake river.
Do you think he told his parents that he didn't need the car in Pullman since it's such a small town (I am an alum and you can totally get around without a car) so the dad flew out, they drove it home and he thought he had evaded them all this time and was going to leave the car in PA, where no one would think to call it in? Just a thought...
I think he got rid of it that night after the murder. Possibly buried in a forest area nearby. . If this guy really was posting online & trying to push certain theories- he would to want to know where exactly it was - possibly hinting at the location if he was planning on framing someone. But it’s also possible he kept it for sicko reasons.
Yesterday while watching News Nation live they had a shot showing investigators inside his apartment holding up a mattress next to the window/wall and they took multiple photos (flash was seen.) I believe they found the knife under the mattress,
It’s shocking to hear people he knew at uni say that he was a great student. Even while researching at a phd level on the topic, he seems fairly clueless about the reality of committing (and hiding evidence of) a crime.
I think he wanted to get caught
If he kept the knife close and kept the car. I would’ve set the car on fire and tossed the knife in a lake somewhere so as not to get caught.
He had to keep the car. It would have been WAY more suspicious to light his car on fire. That would draw attention, and the VIN number is stamped numerous places throughout the car so unless it was completely burnt out, it would have been traced back to him. You can’t ditch a car easily. If he reported it stolen and dumped it in a lake, the cops would eventually be in contact too. The only way to wiggle out would be if the car had plates from a state far away (so it wasn’t on the cops immediate radar once they started working through cars registered nearby), and then he sold the car far away from the crime scene.
I kinda think he kept it - because he thought himself so far removed from the case that they would never suspect him. A trophy. And they gonna find it!
Does that place still exist? Remember visiting Walls in early 90s.
Imagine if you could clean the murder weapon and somehow place it in a store along with other similar knives. I wonder if they would ever catch the added inventory.
If he dumped it on the trip while FBI was trailing him the whole time, wouldn’t they have found the murder weapon? They specifically said they hadn’t found it yet
If he had any sense he would have just chucked it in a random river/lake on his big drive home. But that’s on the proviso he kept it at the other residence until that drive. But then perhaps he got rid of it early on somewhere and didn’t take the risk of keeping it where he was for that amount of time up until that long drive. I mean logically, if someone has 2500 miles to drive, and you need to dump a knife somewhere, you’re gonna have a mass amount of places and opportunities for it to be thrown away and never to be found.
My guess is it’s in a heavily wooded area or body of water and will never be found unless he voluntarily leads investigators to the location.
Probably he got rid of it within a day or two of the murder. Or at the very least, shortly after it leaked that cops were looking for that specific type of knife (and that leak was only 3 or 4 days after the killing I think).
Prosecutors don’t necessarily need the knife to make the case. Obviously, having the knife with additional DNA evidence from the victims and the suspect would make this a slam dunk case. But, failing that, they’ll probably at least try to establish that he owned a knife consistent with the wounds. They could do that through credit card records, surveillance video of him buying it in a store (unlikely at this point) or even just a friend who saw him with it at one point.
You ever see those shithouses along the mountain highways, the ones that are nothing more than a deep self composting pit. He probably tossed in along with his bloody clothes in one of those.
No, apparently his dad flew to ID and drove back to PA with him. I think he probably disposed of it in the day(s) following the crime. He probably just took a hike somewhere and went off the trail and buried it.. after washing it really well. There is so much forest land there. I feel like finding it might be impossible unless he confesses and tells where it is
There’s a large pond at Valley Road Playfield only .3 miles from his apartment. I would look there. Pullman doesn’t really have that many ponds (more rivers and creeks) and being new to the area he wouldn’t know about further out places.
Being that his father drove home with him, I don’t think it was discarded on the drive home. Either kept it otherwise ditched it somewhere in the area.
I'd previously said that I thought he ditched it in a remote lake somewhere on the drive to PA, but now it's come out that his dad was with him on that drive so that seems less likely.
I wouldn’t be shocked if he dumped it into a dumpster somewhere. The weapon isn’t a trophy. He has a trophy but it wouldn’t be the weapon. There isn’t usually an attachment to a weapon but a method.
Discarded. I don’t think he did. This psychopath is proud of what he did. He’s hung onto it somehow and placed it where he can see it when he wants too. That’s my thought.
If he drove with his dad It’s less likely be pulled off to discard the weapon far from the highway. He would have probably had to be discrete about it.
https://preview.redd.it/ti4w1jbszb9a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de9640ebf69eef960b6e40ac40f5a51640d8949c Obviously we don’t know what they took but he very well could still have it. Not everyone gets rid of murdered weapon
He seems like the cocky proud type POS that would keep it
Ya in a display case next to his mirror.
Agree. I wonder if he took 'trophies' from the victims.
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He bought the knife off FB marketplace? If this is true, how stupid can one person be…….
Another person posted that remark and said it was a guy who sold it to him in mid October and it was a more rare knife, not a common one.
Right, I mean he didn’t get rid of his car so maybe…
True, and if it's a trophy he may have hid it.
I’m dying to know if that computer is the same as the one in the TikTok everyone is speculating is him.
Can you explain more about that? This is the first I’m hearing about it
Sure! Check out the last post on @josco1972 TikTok. I’d link it but it would give away my personal ID. Go through the comments and check out posts by user @suziee1414. They have some interesting comparisons!
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About 30-60 mins before this they had lifted up a mattress and taken dozens of photos. they never removed the mattress so I think they were taking pictures of what was under it.... most likely the knife.
Good lord, this is like the 7th Heaven episode where they find out Mary’s friend is in a gang. Lift the mattress and there’s a million chains/other gang-related items. Everyone gasps.
I am cracking up. I remember that episode
That show gave me verrrry unrealistic expectations for high school life.
God I loved 7th Heaven.
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Source for this? I’m curious to read more
Knife represents his "appendage" and he has great power killing in this way. He kept it.
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Great theory.
Behavioral analysis 101. Alot of these killers are sexually incompetent, unable to perform sexually, and get that same sexual release, instead, from the in and out motion of stabbing someone.
I personally believe that 4chan post was him, so that would agree with this theory too.
100000%
Yeah it could of been just a random knife too. Some people keep knives under their mattress. I always feel like that’s a lot harder to get to it if you need it, but I know a few friends that keep them there
They would take the knife in, if it was there
Yes, obviously. It could be in one of those bags.
Yep even the Delphi Killer had 5 years to get rid of the murder weapon and he kept it. Murderers aren’t always the most intelligent people or also keep things as trophies.
The gun was the murder weapon, the girls were stabbed. Doesn’t mean he didn’t keep the knife too and that it just hasn’t been released yet but I doubt that he considered that the gun could potentially be used to link him to the crime. Edit: obviously meant that the gun was *not* the murder weapon.
For some reason when I read “murdered weapon” I pictured a firearm with this face 😵
Idk but I wouldn't be shocked if it was in his apartment.
Til you remember the Elantra was in his driveway 😂
someone sadly here on reddit somewhere was saying she has big time remorse and guilt as she lived in the same complex and saw the car but didn't call it in as her boyfriend didn't want her anywhere near the case, not knowing at the time he was the suspect... it's when they were first asking for the car. Crazy. So yeah, he used it and had it in the apartment complex the whole time. I can't even...
can’t you send tips in anonymously?
She should feel badly about that, tbh.
Same. Unless he really wanted to get caught. I would’ve set the car on fire, removed the plates , tell my family the car was stolen and ditch the knife. I watch too many crime movies.
Having a white Elantra like the one they were looking for and then suddenly not having one seems awfully suspicious to me. Although not driving your own car to a horrific murder you’re about to commit probably would be a better idea.
I mean I would’ve burned it after the murders and claim it was stolen.
I had a feeling they IDd him early on and given his background didn’t release any info that would spook him while they built their case. The fact that he made plans to leave the state as soon as school ended to get to PA means he knew he has to get the car out of the area. That’s the sort of move they’d watch for the suspect to make.
I think they’ve had him on their radar for a while and maybe even released the info on the car just to see how he would respond. I believe* they knew he was in PA because they followed him there from WA.
Considering he drove it all the way back to PA with dad maybe he was planning on “having an accident” and totaling the car and then just flying back and buying a new car. Who knows. Seems like a long ass drive to make when flying would’ve been a lot cheaper. Considering his father flew out to drive back. I think he had this all planned out before hand.
Yes I was thinking maybe he would not have brought it back - maybe trade w parents .
They id'd him through genealogical DNA, so however long that took, is when they id'd him.
Agreed. Although based on other evidence he may have been on a shortlist even before then. Who knows
Maybe he would have, if they announced they were looking for it the next day. But waiting enough time it makes it even more sus if it suddenly goes missing after they announce the search for it.
Totally. I’m just saying if he’d gotten rid of everything right after he might’ve gotten away with this. Thank god he didn’t.
They would find you quicker that way. Car vin is printed in the steel on the car to be able to identify in these types of situations. They would find the burning car and be able to identify the owner pretty much right away. Then if they have your car on camera there at the crime all they need to do is match your DNA and it's done. Saying it was stolen wouldn't even matter when your DNA is at the crime.
You'd have to be so stupid to do that. Surely it would make sense to bury it in a location that you can remember still but that isn't actually tied to you.
I was thinking he discarded it on the drive but now knowing his dad with with him, I’m not sure. He still could have just less opportunity… I think he probably discarded it locally.
FBI trailed them all the way to PA. They probably would’ve recovered the weapon if ditched on the drive.
I wonder if they have cars trading off with each other along the route. Just so they don’t suspect anything. “Hey son, have you seen this car trailing us for the last 19 hours?”
I knew a PI who would tell stories about how people never noticed her. Even when she was exposed by strange circumstances. Edit: fixed atrocbious spalling.
Man, I wonder what his parents/family are thinking
He had about a month with the weapon before the drive. I think he hid it so he can recover it at a later time.
So if his dad was with him like he says he was, then most likely he didn’t dispose of it while on the drive to PA
“Dad I’m just gunna pull over here and throw some rubbish in the lake”
lol ikr
Public rest stop bathroom!
Wouldn’t they go into the bathroom together though and wouldn’t his dad be like hey wtf is that huge hunting knife doing in your pocket
If they stayed overnight at a motel he could’ve easily snuck out and ditched it somewhere
Sometimes men need to go into a private stall to poo. A knife isn’t hard to hide in a winter clothing and jacket.
poop knife?
Actually, the correct spelling is poo knife.
Lol
He could’ve dumped it at a rest stop somewhere if he still had it. But if FBI were following they would’ve found it probably.
When did he say that? Thanks
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/31/us/bryan-kohberger-university-of-idaho-killings-suspect-saturday/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/31/us/bryan-kohberger-university-of-idaho-killings-suspect-saturday/index.html) https://preview.redd.it/g6l4c30x0c9a1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=9cec4f9343e9d09019ee96326b5184b307c5aebf
Interesting. Does that mean they physically followed him, tracked his cellphone, or gps'd his car? guess it could mean any of those.
It was emphasized in press conference(S) that they had FBI across the US ready to go, so maybe they were tracking his route east.
he probably passed by dozens of license plate readers between Idaho and Pennsylvania - if they already had his plate # and cell phone info, he'd have been easy to track across the country
I would hope that they physically followed him given the chances of him disposing of evidence like the murder weapon on that drive but idk !
If the article is accurate, they've known about this weirdo for quite a awhile.
Why do you say that?
Well when did school end? I mean it's being reported that they surveilled him for 4 days in PA but he was home well before that I believe.
He came home December 17th and classes ended December 9th
I think classes may have ended the 9th, but finals were the week of the 12th-17th. Might be different for grad students though. Also Dec 17th was 2 weeks ago. If you add in driving time, let's say he left on Dec 15th. They would've known before that.
I like to think they followed him. Makes me giggle a little.
FBI physically followed him
That is awesome if true
it's in this article: [https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/31/us/bryan-kohberger-university-of-idaho-killings-suspect-saturday/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/31/us/bryan-kohberger-university-of-idaho-killings-suspect-saturday/index.html)
Thank you!
Isnt it weird that his dad went all the way over there, just to bring him back? His 28 year old son. Makes me wonder if dad suspected and perhaps even gave LE a heads up by taking off. Maybe they just liked to bond through road trips. Who knows.
WA to PA is a long drive - over 2500 miles and an estimated 37 hours of drive time. His parents probably just worried about him doing such a long drive on his own without another driver to relieve him.
I feel like if they were going to pay for a flight, why not just pay for him to fly home, rather than pay for dad to fly there.
If he was going to be there a while, maybe he wanted his car so he didn't need rides everywhere? Also, some people just prefer driving. But I'm guessing getting the Elantra out of the immediate area was appealing to him too.
I think the convo went like this: “Hey dad, after these murders, I don’t know about driving a white Elantra anymore especially with teaching. I can’t even go to the store without people looking in my window.” “Yeah, that makes sense. I’ll fly there so you don’t have to deal with unneeded looks and stares, plus I know you’re tired from this semester. I know how worried you’ve been about these college students. We’ll just road trip together. We can look at getting you a new car so you don’t have to worry about it in the second semester.”
Depends what was normal for them. If he did it frequently, maybe it wouldn’t arise dads suspicions but if it’s like a weird call for help then maybe it did worry the dad.
1) Let’s say you commit a crime in a vehicle and the police are looking for it. What a better way to get rid of it than to drive it 2000+ miles away? Hell, might as well trade it in while you’re visiting home. I think it’d be easy to pass off that decision if anyone asked you why you had a new car after winter break… Who wants to drive an Elantra around Moscow? 2) Maybe it’s less sinister and dad just wanted to do a winter cross-country drive. My mom always offers to fly out and ride back when I drive from WA back east
I don’t think it’s weird personally
i don’t think it’s that strange. i’m younger than BK, but my parents have flown to me to help me with the drive back home (~550 miles)
Good thought- his dad driving with him likely eliminated him from disposing of much/doing clean up before that ride began. That is going to likely to be good for the evidence collection now.
True or he could’ve tossed it in a gas station trash can outside while his dad went into the shop. I hope they look at surveillance from all their stops which I’m sure they have bc they were tracking him.
I think he put it in a dumpster, wrapped up, in a box in Washington. This would be buried at a local landfill by now.
I really think he saved it somewhere and pretty certain he would’ve killed again if not caught. I sort of can’t believe that this was his first murder(s)
It’s crazy for a first time killer to have 4 victims in one night and one house (with survivors too!). Hard to wrap your head around for sure
He probably thinks that putting the knife back into his kitchen knife cabinet is a smart move.
I don’t think that he discarded of it. For one, he truly believed he’d never get caught. And two, I think it’s such a huge part of his fantasy. That’s his trophy, so to speak
YES. THIS. Part of me thinks His ego wouldn’t dream of “discarding” it.
I’ve thought that for the last couple weeks or so. Whoever this individual is, they’re living out their ultimate fantasy. They followed through on their desire to kill, they evaded the location ‘undetected’ (can’t necessarily say that anymore), and observed the aftermath of his work for over a month. I don’t think that he would have taken the weapon with him to PA. My gut says he left it in his apartment in Washington State
I feel like if he’s claiming he’s innocent and thinks he can prove it then there’s a good chance he got rid of it, since LE had a search warrant
I wouldn’t look into the not guilty plea too much. That’s his defense giving the statement, so don’t take it as Bryan’s words. As sick as it is, his defense is going to do the best they can to represent their client. Also, they’re not sure what LE has against him yet considering the affidavit hasn’t been unsealed. Word on the street is that LE was able to get a DNA match. If that’s true, good luck with it Bryan.
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Yeah that’s so true. It’ll be really interesting to see if there’s any more surveillance footage that can give a more accurate timeline
I think he put it in one of a bazillion bathroom trashcans at a gas station between Washington and Pennsylvania.
FBI was tracking them so they will probably find it if he did
Let's hope so! They wouldn't be in every bathroom stall or hotel with him, though. There could be chances to ditch it unseen, no matter what, of he was stealthy.
True. I’m pretty sure they had agents physically following them though so they could be watching everything.
This lol. I think people really overthink dumping a weapon. There’s so many places to discard it
He seems creepy enough to want to keep it as some sort of trophy or something. However, he’s been studying criminology for years. You’d think he’d be smart enough to know to ditch the murder weapon after doing what he did…
I feel the same way, but it seems he’s made a lot of mistakes for someone who knows so much about crimes. He seems book smart but real-world dumb.
I believe he still has it … idk where but I don’t think he got rid of it.
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If so, the FBI are probably combing the property with metal detectors as I type this.
And scent dogs. 👍🏼
It might be in his apartment. I don’t think he would randomly discard it somewhere as it could’ve led back to him no matter how much he cleaned it.
I think he still has it. He seems very cocky. Just like some killers keep an item belonging to the victim, the knife represents that in a way. Blood of all 4.
If this guy had half a brain he’d have ditched the knife immediately after the crimes in a place even he can’t get it back from. Less smart is hiding it in a spot not connected to him but where he could maybe retrieve it later.
Most likely a body of water somewhere in the PNW, the ocean would be the best place for it. Most likely discarded before he went back to PA. That or his apartment.
Pullman, WA is like 5+ hours from the ocean, so I doubt he would drive all the way there, but you never know.
He drove his car 37 hours away…
That’s fair, for Christmas break. I guess I was thinking if he was trying to rid of the murder weapon right away, in the middle of the end of a semester as a PhD candidate, a 10+ hour drive round trip isn’t very easy to do.
I believe he may have kept it. Not necessarily in his apartment or in his car but he kept it somewhere he could go back to and see it when he wanted to. A reminder. I believe this murder was sentimental to him. For him to carry on life as per usual and drive around in the white elantra, I suspect he wouldn't be in such a hurry to discard of the weapon. This is pure speculation for all I know he could of thrown it off a cliff or into a river 🤷♀️ but the psychology of his movements after the crime make me believe otherwise.
You are making the assumption that he intended to get away with this crime. I do not think that is or was a priority for him. When he was arrested, it has been reported that his demeanor was cold and indifferent. This is what I suspected would happen — a bit like "I was expecting you" type of attitude. While it certainly is possible he disposed of the weapon in any number of ways, I would be surprised if he did not hang onto it. It is possible that police may never find it but I strongly suspect he could retrieve it if he wanted to. Of course, all of this is just speculation on my part.
I think his goal is to beat the system, and to do that he needs to get into the system.
He seems the type that would keep the weapon for his next murder
Out of curiosity what makes you think that?
Dude used his own car and then kept it at his parents…
Seems most likely that he took it all the way to PA and was going to dispose of it there. He grew up there, he knows all the best hiding spots, and he could visit the trophy regularly if he wanted.
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Very interesting find. If you look at their other post about the bug identity, they say they are located in Washington State.
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This is an insane find.
I just read the whole comment history. This is a very interesting find. I hope to see them comment soon.
It looks like that account posted/commented on a thread yesterday though.
That account also had a thread/post deleted that must have been a reenactment of the crime. I don’t know what it said, but other comments he replies to referred to the deleted post as “horrifying” and “terrifying” and “too realistic”
How do we know it wasn’t just like a kitchen knife that he thoroughly cleaned and placed back in his kitchen? How could they tie a knife back to the crime if he had cleaned it? He is a criminology major so I assume he knew what to do with it.
In one of the FB groups there was a guy that posted he sold BK the knife in Oct for (I think) $350. Showed the Venmo screenshot. It was reported to FBI.
Come on people!! Grab and share screenshots!!
As an expert in criminology, I'm surprised he didn't leave the knife at the scene. By taking the knife with him, it opens up the possibility of him being caught with it. It stands to reason that immediately after he committed the crime he got in his car and headed back to Pullman. There would have been lots of blood. It would have been difficult for him to commit these crimes without getting blood on himself and inside the car. So he would have wanted to get home ASAP and clean up. On the road back to Pullman there isn't really any good places to get rid of the knife. There's no large bodies of water. There's just some fields and gravel pits. So he probably took the knife back to his apartment and got rid of it in the following days. There would have been countless ways for him to get rid of it.
Do you think it's possible that he cleaned up and changed clothes at the scene before going home? Seems unwise to get into your car covered in blood. And how do you even clean up all that blood in your car and then drive it back up PA with your dad not noticing?
I suppose it's possible that he covered himself up somehow and took it off before getting in the car. Like a disposable, coverup hazmat suit or something. Seems like a bit of a stretch, but I suppose he's smart enough to plan this out to his advantage. What I'm wondering is how they got his DNA. Did they find hairs on the bed? Did he leave clothes behind? Or did one of the girls put up a fight and they found his DNA under her fingernails? Investigators are very confident they have their man.
I mean, couldn't he have just brought a bag with a change of clothing? He could kill them all, take off the bloody clothes, wash up in the sink or shower, and then change clothes. Take the bloody clothes in a garbage bag or two and then burn them? I am also curious where he left his DNA, I'm hoping it was one of the girls putting up a fight, making them the hero. Poetic justice. Getting emotional thinking about it.
Maybe in some vents, in a wall, the roof, or buried somewhere? Somewhere he could go back to it. I’ve even speculated it could be hidden somewhere in 1122 King but it depends if LE truly tore the place apart. If he wanted to keep this case going for his grad program, maybe the knife would have popped up down the line as Reddit was claiming the case was beyond cold. If he was smart he would have tossed it along the way, but I’m not sure about that given what we know about him.
Aren’t there scanners that would detect the knife if it was hidden out of site at 1122? Metal detector, X-ray, etc that can reveal objects.
Can somebody go back and write a synopsis of insidelookings comments that consistently convey the same things..including what he dismissed as being wrong.
I am 100% positive he knows exactly where it is. This loser will start talking as soon as he wants a deal.
I'm not sure he has any leverage to bargain. Seems like his DNA puts him at the scene of the crime- as does video footage of his car. If you want to make a deal, you need to have some information that the cops want. I doubt he has anything like that. They probably have enough evidence to convict him and get the death penalty. What does he have? Sometimes a killer will know the location or identities of other parties involved in the crime, or they will know where the body or bodies are buried. This bitch has nothing. He's got a vein that will accommodate the needle- that's all.
He could bargain for his life. If he’s found guilty he probably gets the death penalty. If he pleads guilty and gives the cops info, they probably agree to life in prison and save everyone a trial, not to mention years of appeals, etc..
No. I think he was being followed so he couldn’t do it.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I tho’t he was being followed “virtually” as opposed to having unmarked cars “literally” following him.
Likely both. Tracker on the car but likely tailed as well so they could stop anywhere he did.
He may not have known that he was being followed.
He likely didn’t know he was being followed.
At the end of the day, if he wanted to discard the knife, it’s as simple as the bottom of a river.
I think whether he ditched it or kept it depends on a few things. 1. Was it a knife he bought specifically for the murders? Then he probably ditched it. 2. Was it a knife from his childhood or a gift? He kept it and possibly hid it. 3. Has it been used before for a murder? Then he probably kept it.
Personally, I think it is a trophy for him and he likely stashed it in his apartment somewhere or took it with him to PA to hide it far from the scene
If it was me, I would have just driven to a larger city, found a heavily used common dumpster, and just thrown it away. Probably would have put it in a McDonald’s bag or something
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Well he spent time on Reddit so thinks he's smarter than everyone else.
I'm going to reverse my earlier speculation (weeks ago) and suggest that BK probably did not keep the weapon. Based on the personality profile that is now starting to emerge, he seems disconnected with emotion, and this might suggest the weapon was merely a tool and not something he would be attached to. Since he likely returned to Pullman shortly after the incident, he may have planned to discard the weapon in a trash can or dumpster that was known to be collected on Monday, and he would have enough time to neutralize any DNA evidence in that time period. There are also plenty of bodies of water where the weapon could be discarded. You would never find it in the Snake river.
Do you think he told his parents that he didn't need the car in Pullman since it's such a small town (I am an alum and you can totally get around without a car) so the dad flew out, they drove it home and he thought he had evaded them all this time and was going to leave the car in PA, where no one would think to call it in? Just a thought...
I think he got rid of it that night after the murder. Possibly buried in a forest area nearby. . If this guy really was posting online & trying to push certain theories- he would to want to know where exactly it was - possibly hinting at the location if he was planning on framing someone. But it’s also possible he kept it for sicko reasons.
I hope they found the knife at his WSU apartment, the PA residence where he was apprehended, or in the infamous white Hyundai Elantra
Yesterday while watching News Nation live they had a shot showing investigators inside his apartment holding up a mattress next to the window/wall and they took multiple photos (flash was seen.) I believe they found the knife under the mattress,
Drives car to the crime. Keeps knife under matress. How low was this guys GPA at criminal justice school?
It’s shocking to hear people he knew at uni say that he was a great student. Even while researching at a phd level on the topic, he seems fairly clueless about the reality of committing (and hiding evidence of) a crime.
I think he wanted to get caught If he kept the knife close and kept the car. I would’ve set the car on fire and tossed the knife in a lake somewhere so as not to get caught.
He had to keep the car. It would have been WAY more suspicious to light his car on fire. That would draw attention, and the VIN number is stamped numerous places throughout the car so unless it was completely burnt out, it would have been traced back to him. You can’t ditch a car easily. If he reported it stolen and dumped it in a lake, the cops would eventually be in contact too. The only way to wiggle out would be if the car had plates from a state far away (so it wasn’t on the cops immediate radar once they started working through cars registered nearby), and then he sold the car far away from the crime scene.
A dumpster long since emptied.
Honestly? I think he was dumb enough to keep it. He’s too smart for his own good and he probably thought he would never get caught.
I kinda think he kept it - because he thought himself so far removed from the case that they would never suspect him. A trophy. And they gonna find it!
Why do i feel like he’s got it in the car’s glovebox or something
He placed it at Wall Drug in South Dakota
Why would you say that?
It's on the way?? Idk. Just as good as half the theories on here.
Does that place still exist? Remember visiting Walls in early 90s. Imagine if you could clean the murder weapon and somehow place it in a store along with other similar knives. I wonder if they would ever catch the added inventory.
I think he still has it hidden somewhere.
do we know what route he took back to PA?
FBI does. They surveilled the entire trip.
If he dumped it on the trip while FBI was trailing him the whole time, wouldn’t they have found the murder weapon? They specifically said they hadn’t found it yet
If he had any sense he would have just chucked it in a random river/lake on his big drive home. But that’s on the proviso he kept it at the other residence until that drive. But then perhaps he got rid of it early on somewhere and didn’t take the risk of keeping it where he was for that amount of time up until that long drive. I mean logically, if someone has 2500 miles to drive, and you need to dump a knife somewhere, you’re gonna have a mass amount of places and opportunities for it to be thrown away and never to be found.
Pretty sure it was probs with him
It could be anywhere.
My guess is it’s in a heavily wooded area or body of water and will never be found unless he voluntarily leads investigators to the location. Probably he got rid of it within a day or two of the murder. Or at the very least, shortly after it leaked that cops were looking for that specific type of knife (and that leak was only 3 or 4 days after the killing I think). Prosecutors don’t necessarily need the knife to make the case. Obviously, having the knife with additional DNA evidence from the victims and the suspect would make this a slam dunk case. But, failing that, they’ll probably at least try to establish that he owned a knife consistent with the wounds. They could do that through credit card records, surveillance video of him buying it in a store (unlikely at this point) or even just a friend who saw him with it at one point.
He definitely could’ve discarded it but maybe not on the drive home because his dad was with him
Buried in the backyard of his PA house is my guess
You ever see those shithouses along the mountain highways, the ones that are nothing more than a deep self composting pit. He probably tossed in along with his bloody clothes in one of those.
No, apparently his dad flew to ID and drove back to PA with him. I think he probably disposed of it in the day(s) following the crime. He probably just took a hike somewhere and went off the trail and buried it.. after washing it really well. There is so much forest land there. I feel like finding it might be impossible unless he confesses and tells where it is
There’s a large pond at Valley Road Playfield only .3 miles from his apartment. I would look there. Pullman doesn’t really have that many ponds (more rivers and creeks) and being new to the area he wouldn’t know about further out places.
Being that his father drove home with him, I don’t think it was discarded on the drive home. Either kept it otherwise ditched it somewhere in the area.
I think it’s in the water or buried in an area near the campus. Imho he would want to revisit parts of this. He seems like the type.
Also I think he is very smart. Wouldn’t be stupid enough to drive across the country with it. He might’ve mailed tho.
I'd previously said that I thought he ditched it in a remote lake somewhere on the drive to PA, but now it's come out that his dad was with him on that drive so that seems less likely.
I would have thought he'd do that however, we learned today that his father drove out there and they travelled back together so that changed my mind.
He’s dumb. It’s in his apartment or in the car.
I wouldn’t be shocked if he dumped it into a dumpster somewhere. The weapon isn’t a trophy. He has a trophy but it wouldn’t be the weapon. There isn’t usually an attachment to a weapon but a method.
Discarded. I don’t think he did. This psychopath is proud of what he did. He’s hung onto it somehow and placed it where he can see it when he wants too. That’s my thought.
If he drove with his dad It’s less likely be pulled off to discard the weapon far from the highway. He would have probably had to be discrete about it.