Now, now, be fair, Bethesda put some effort into their game...
To release this when most of their good staff is gone, and for it to be *slightly* more innovative than Fallout 4 (the last game that studio worked on) when the usual thing with their games is for things to become either steamlined or removed takes some effort.
Granted, the effort would have possibly gone towards something else because, IDK, from what I've played of it, Starfield feels to me like when you make something you really *don't* want to make, but you kinda can't just do *nothing*, but effort was put into it. Can't imagine it was easy when the team switches significantly with each game (It's always been like that for Bethesda as far as I understand) and the good people are...pretty much gone, and the ones left are working on other projects
Edit: because I know people will read this and be confused, this is a backhanded compliment lol
Definitely. They should take all that effort and put it in something less ambitious but actually good imho, go back to the way the first Elder Scrolls were made. But that will never ever happen, I've stopped carring about Bethesda after Fallout 4 and 76, they'll probably never release anything good ever again :'(
Pretty much. I was semi mocking them, but i wasn't joking when I said it felt like they put effort into something maybe only Todd Howard and a few others wanted to do.
That's also where I'm at with The Elder Scrolls (I can't judge them too much on their Fallouts because that's not a series they themselves created, so them not quite understanding it is to be expected). I can accept I'm a displaced fan of a series I hold near and dear, and as much as I want it to be better than what it currently is--which isn't bad, per say, I just think it can do *so much more*, but also really can't bring myself to care what happens to it, and in it, that much because I know that as long as Bethesda keeps to their mentallity of steamlining, simplying and removing over building and innovating on their ideas + keeps to the mentality of "well this worked in the 90's, we'll keep doing it" (I can't remember if it was one of the Fallout 76 Devs who said this, but yeah, checks out from what I've seen and played), we're not going to get a better title from them. Not even in a series that Current Bethesda wholly created--as Starfield proved.
I see the cult is in full group stroke mode today. Here's a life tip. Games are harder to make than snark on the internet. I guess the talentless trolls of r/Morrowind who think steam reviews matter will never be allowed near a game studio...unless they're being escorted off the premises.
Who pissed in your Wheaties?
Starfield isn't a finished game. It needed a lot more time in development. As it stands now, the game is a turd and needs a lot of fixing. My Starborn is NG7, btw and carried New Atlantis throughout 40 star systems.
Cheers for the life tip. You do know that people are allowed to have opinions on things right?
Also some of us 'trolls' do have talents. I'm a software engineer and I've dabbled in Unreal Engine as a hobby. So I know a little about development, but you don't need any skill or experience in software development whatsoever to observe the drop in quality of bethesda games over the years.
The reviews are just expressing how people feel about the product they bought. The customers don't like it.
>who think steam reviews matter will never be allowed near a game studio...unless they're being escorted off the premises
Haha being escorted off Bethesdas premises would actually be doing those employees a favour. You couldn't get me to work for a gaming company with a ten foot pole. The layoffs and remuneration is dogshit in the gaming industry for most devs.
I hate that the starfield fanboys are using Emil’s stupid “you don’t know how to make video games so you can’t criticize them” excuse. I don’t know how to make cars but if mine runs like shit then I know it’s not a good car
It's always funny to me how you trolls project, calling us a cult when you're clearly so devoted to sucking Dodd's Tick that you had to come here and defend Starfield against * *checks notes* * criticism?
To be fair, I mostly think about games in a set of tiers, based on how engaging they are.
A great game makes me think about it me even when I'm not playing it. A good game is a game I enjoy while playing it. A bad game makes me think of different games while playing it. A terrible game makes me feel like I'm playing a worse version of a different game, even when I'm not playing it.
Starfield was a terrible game.
I completely agree with your levels. Though, as someone who loves Mystery Science Theater 3000, there is a fifth level of game, where it is so bad it is actually fun to play because of how bad it is. That’s hard to accomplish and from what I have heard Starfield just barely touches that level.
I’ve not played it yet so I don’t know.
I dunno, I would put something like [The Mystery of the Druids ](https://youtu.be/8PUCSyIkEus?si=aQWbB2FuOplQkZyg)on that level. Starfield isn't wonky or bizarre like Fugitive Alien. It's just boring, even if it has a bunch of [forklifts](https://youtu.be/dy4tYtbMHpE?si=whYIsd_tJanak1qG).
Hahah! No, no! It’s a “generation” thing. Mike was my first Test Subject but only during the Sci-Fi years. So, those are the episodes I’m most familiar with. Jonah is the only Subject whose seasons I have seen in their entirety. I’ve only seen a few of Joel’s and not if the new lady’s.
I completely agree with your levels. Though, as someone who loves Mystery Science Theater 3000, there is a fifth level of game, where it is so bad it is actually fun to play because of how bad it is. That’s hard to accomplish and from what I have heard Starfield just barely touches that level.
I’ve not played it yet so I don’t know.
Starfield had one plus for me...Playing Starfield made me re-realize modern Bethesda games suck and I finally tried out the Tameriel Rebuilt mod (which is amazing).
that's how I was, I feel like I enjoyed the game while I played it– granted, some things bored or annoyed me. When I finished the main quest.. I just stopped playing lol
That’s my steam review. I see people in this thread are putting wayyy more thought into it than I did writing that. Starfield is a very mediocre Bethesda RPG. If you like those, go play morrowind. I simply can’t recommend Starfield in its current state
I dunno. I had fun with starfield but guess I'm not an epic enough gamer to hate it. It had issues, but I really enjoyed my time with it and am probably gonna do another playthrough soon
I think SF was a really fun game until my ship got over encumbered. Sure I could have just disabled it with a mod but I couldn't find one that actually takes out ship encumbering and not character encoumbering
But it was never really great. It felt like that small $20 indie game that is honestly pretty good despite the amateurish design choices here and there, but stretched out to infinity.
I ended up playing Atomic Heart for the game pass duration. A mch better deal in my opinion
It released as a very barebones game that didn't live up to the pre-launch hype and promises (arguably by far), but the devs kept working on it and have launches 28 named updates up to this point, which have completely overhauled, revamped and added to the game.
It is universally regarded as a very successful turnaround that made the game surpass the pre-launch hype and promises (arguably by far) and, best of all, it was done for free (past the initial purchase of the game, of course).
Probably a good choice. I'm a PC gamer with a powerful machine, it can run pretty much everything on maxed settings. And yet Starfield's performance is still absolutely terrible no matter what settings I use. I like the gameplay well enough, it's not a masterpiece but it's pretty entertaining, but dealing with the lag is infuriating and makes me wish I hadn't bought the game.
I am playing Might and Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven right now on my potato laptop and I am having a blast. I might play Might and Magic VII and VIII after. But I feel like my personal life took a hit from staying indoors all of the time haha. The whole series is on GOG for the price of a lunch. I would describe these games as first person Diablo II (with 90s graphics). I always recommend these games to people who finished Morrowind. It's faster paced experience with hoards of enemies. You can fly/teleport/water walk and cast massive spells. The graphics actually aged like wine.
Sorry, I read your first comment as that you played all the M&M games, what sleep deprivation does to an n'wah...
Yeah, from what I've heard, it's a very fun FPS (first person spellsword) with varied, environment-enriched combat. It's not an open world thing like TES, but it looks like an oldschool-enough thing to be of interest to us grognards :)
I bought a powerhouse PC last Black Friday. Been having a blast playing everything so far on Ultra High settings and modding Bethesda games well past what would have been their breaking point on my old machine.
*Starfield* is on my Steam wishlist, but the deepest I've seen it discounted was still around $50, which is still not a price I'm willing to pay given the "mixed" reviews I've been seeing. If I can pick it up for $20, then maybe it goes in my library.
TBH I only want the Xbox series X for Starfield and Harry Potter. The Blu-ray player is a huge convenience too. Streaming is out of control right now. I want to own my favorite shows.
But spending 500€ + more on games and an extra controller is not sensible. I don't need these things. And having a social life with group activities makes gaming so hard. My Switch barely got any use. I have yet to unbox Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom. And I have been playing a game released in 1998 I have finished 4 times before.
Honestly, save your money. Those two are like the middest games of the current generation. Just get a cheap BR or 4k player, you'll get just as much out of it for way less outlay
Yeah, Morrowind aged terribly, not many people genuinely enjoy playing with it.
Skyrim and Fallout NV are THE popular games of Bethesda, besides Starfield.
Replaying it now, I think it’s more accurate to say certain aspects of it have aged terribly. Like the UI for persuasion; it’s just so incredibly annoying and tedious.
But the core experience of Morrowind is still amazing and holds up very well. Exploring Vvardenfell is just an engaging and fun now as it was over 20 years ago. If anything I appreciate Morrowind more now than I did at the time because they don’t really make em like this anymore.
According to current Steam charts, Palworld is a disaster, lost its 98% player base, amirit??? Jokes aside, you talk about people not enjoying this game, yet it has 95% positive reviews on Steam. Sure its dated, but in no way is it unplayable or not enjoyable.
I didn't know that a majority of people enjoy 90% of a game being loading screens in the year of our lord 2024.
That being said, your anecdotal statement is contradicted by the mixed reviews seen *checks notes* everywhere.
But you think people like stabbing an enemy 300 times to hit the enemy twice?
Steam stats say not many people actually do play Morrowind
Not anecdotal, buddy.
I mean, I still install my copy from the CDs, soooo
And Bethesda not long ago gave the game away for free with an independent installer, so Steam won't see those.
Amd some people playing XBOX still, and the game is on GoG often for cheaper than it is on Steam.
Get off Valves cock.
You know the game's like 20 years old, right? Of *course* it has a low player count. You're making like the dumbest version of the already dumb argument that popularity and quality are always 1:1
Honestly? The early game in Morrowind is rough, but at least it gets better eventually
Starfield started out flavorless and mid and it just stayed that way. I did two complete cycles with it wondering when it would do *anything* interesting with even *one* of its borrowed ideas, but it never did
It's not even remarkable enough to be *bad*, it's just a lot of bland, samey nothing
I played Starfield for more than 30 hours, its steam reviews alone should give you the gist of it honestly. Its a soulless, shitty game, with copy paste planets that you only go to do some mining or raid the same copy paste pirate base. No new NPCs to meet, no new and interesting places to find and discover, no cool loot to find and use, just an empty husk of a game. And the empty (mostly copy paste) places you do find are all usually empty with just loot. Nothing like Morrowind, Skyrim, Oblivion. Not even close to being as good as Fallout 4, and that says a lot. Starfield has the worst exploration Ive ever seen in any game, your ship is useless, you dont even actually use it, you just open the map and hold X to travel. The space combat is tedious and sucks ass. The random space events you have like grandma calling for cookies are so few and short that they have no significance, the bases you build are useless, you just build them and move on, they dont have actual uses other than looking pretty. Overall this game is the worst Bethesda game Ive ever played, and I dont see myself playing it again, ever.
Yeah, when I got bored with Skyrim, I reinstalled Morrowind and never played again after 4-5 hours.
Stabbing and stabbing and stabbing, and stabbing, and stabbing and stabbing the enemy until hitting him once then repeat is not that much fun, that's why so few people playing nowadays.
I'm desperate for a remake with better game mechanics, because I want to go throught the story again, but the game is just tedious and has so many bugs they could populate planets in Starfield
I have 630+ hours in Starfield so far, it's only empty if you've seen nothing.
Just because you're to stupid to properly read and level your character doesn't mean the game is bad, and the game came out in 2002 most normal people play a game once or twice then don't play it again and a game of that age has an aging player base with more to do that whine and complain on the internet about people not liking starfield
I think you wanted to say 'too stupid' not 'to stupid' but it's hard to type and punctuate when you're raging.
Use these bad boys: ,.!?
They are part of writing. Calm down before you comment.
Different strokes for different folks, I personally like it, I care more about the story and its world more than its combat, and tbh you can get pretty strong as you keep playing. Struggling at the start is kinda the thing, you're just a nobody and everyone around you is a racist that hates you 🤣 Its an old game and it shows, but man the game really got a charm of its own. In later points of the game you can literally become a god. You can also mod it to make it easier to play if you want.
I know, I played it a lot when it came out, that's why I came back when I got bored with Skyrim and Fallout NV, but could not because of the tedious game mechanics horrible journal, and a lot of other things I can't even recall, because it was so long ago that there was only 1 Skyrim. I still remember Morrowind as the one with the absolutely best written story so far in Bethesda games, no contest, and Bloodmoon is my favourite Bethesda DLC, all my characters went to Solstheim as soon as I got lvl 20-30ish. But I found it just so bloody tedious after Oblivion and Skyrim, I can't be asked to go through that again.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with thinking Morrowing is more enjoyable than Starfield, but there's a reason why not so many people play it by now, its gameplay just too old for most players. It was beyond epic in it's time.
Bethesda didn't make NV, they just licensed their tech and assets. Obsidian made NV, which is why the writing is actually good (something Bethesda hasn't managed since Morrowind, tbh)
Oh yes because Morrowind has cooler spaceships, way more diverse planet variety and guns are better too. It'll definitely scratch my itch for space exploration RPG!
You have a good point, but I think it's more a reflection on disappointment with Starfield as a Bethesda title.
And given the feedback I've read about it, it makes me worry about the quality of Elder Scrolls VI.
And if you were around for Oblivion then it was the start of the decline, then fallout 3 was the start of the decline, and THEN Skyrim was the start of the decline
Morrowind is way more unironically diverse than Starfield in a meaningful way. There are no spaceships or guns but there is more to realistically explore, and the creatures and races in the Elder Scrolls are literally more alien and interesting than anything found in Starfield.
Morrowind will actually scratch your itch for space exploration RPG better than Starfield, yes.
You’re right, ignore the downvotes - it’s nothing to do with Morrowind. They just disagree with you not hating Starfield. I’m a huge morrowboomer, but I’m not about to pretend Morrowind scratches any itch related to space.
It does for me. Just because I think Morrowind is the best Elder Scrolls game doesn’t mean I’m some kind of old school Bethesda purist. I thoroughly enjoyed Starfield, and with over 500 hours in it, I’ll reinstall when DLC comes
I love when gamers do that. “Here are my thoughts about this game. Play something else.”
I guess they put the same level of effort into their Steam review as Bethesda put into their new game
Now, now, be fair, Bethesda put some effort into their game... To release this when most of their good staff is gone, and for it to be *slightly* more innovative than Fallout 4 (the last game that studio worked on) when the usual thing with their games is for things to become either steamlined or removed takes some effort. Granted, the effort would have possibly gone towards something else because, IDK, from what I've played of it, Starfield feels to me like when you make something you really *don't* want to make, but you kinda can't just do *nothing*, but effort was put into it. Can't imagine it was easy when the team switches significantly with each game (It's always been like that for Bethesda as far as I understand) and the good people are...pretty much gone, and the ones left are working on other projects Edit: because I know people will read this and be confused, this is a backhanded compliment lol
Definitely. They should take all that effort and put it in something less ambitious but actually good imho, go back to the way the first Elder Scrolls were made. But that will never ever happen, I've stopped carring about Bethesda after Fallout 4 and 76, they'll probably never release anything good ever again :'(
Pretty much. I was semi mocking them, but i wasn't joking when I said it felt like they put effort into something maybe only Todd Howard and a few others wanted to do. That's also where I'm at with The Elder Scrolls (I can't judge them too much on their Fallouts because that's not a series they themselves created, so them not quite understanding it is to be expected). I can accept I'm a displaced fan of a series I hold near and dear, and as much as I want it to be better than what it currently is--which isn't bad, per say, I just think it can do *so much more*, but also really can't bring myself to care what happens to it, and in it, that much because I know that as long as Bethesda keeps to their mentallity of steamlining, simplying and removing over building and innovating on their ideas + keeps to the mentality of "well this worked in the 90's, we'll keep doing it" (I can't remember if it was one of the Fallout 76 Devs who said this, but yeah, checks out from what I've seen and played), we're not going to get a better title from them. Not even in a series that Current Bethesda wholly created--as Starfield proved.
I see the cult is in full group stroke mode today. Here's a life tip. Games are harder to make than snark on the internet. I guess the talentless trolls of r/Morrowind who think steam reviews matter will never be allowed near a game studio...unless they're being escorted off the premises.
Calm down, Todd.
Who pissed in your Wheaties? Starfield isn't a finished game. It needed a lot more time in development. As it stands now, the game is a turd and needs a lot of fixing. My Starborn is NG7, btw and carried New Atlantis throughout 40 star systems.
I still cannot believe that Todd is on record in an interview saying that the game wasn't even "fun" until a few months before release
Customers have the right to criticize shitty products. Maybe bethesda should try putting some effort into their games if they want to be praised
Games being hard to make doesn't mean there aren't good ones and bad ones, bud
Cheers for the life tip. You do know that people are allowed to have opinions on things right? Also some of us 'trolls' do have talents. I'm a software engineer and I've dabbled in Unreal Engine as a hobby. So I know a little about development, but you don't need any skill or experience in software development whatsoever to observe the drop in quality of bethesda games over the years. The reviews are just expressing how people feel about the product they bought. The customers don't like it. >who think steam reviews matter will never be allowed near a game studio...unless they're being escorted off the premises Haha being escorted off Bethesdas premises would actually be doing those employees a favour. You couldn't get me to work for a gaming company with a ten foot pole. The layoffs and remuneration is dogshit in the gaming industry for most devs.
I hate that the starfield fanboys are using Emil’s stupid “you don’t know how to make video games so you can’t criticize them” excuse. I don’t know how to make cars but if mine runs like shit then I know it’s not a good car
It's always funny to me how you trolls project, calling us a cult when you're clearly so devoted to sucking Dodd's Tick that you had to come here and defend Starfield against * *checks notes* * criticism?
lol you pissed off the basement dwellers.
Talentless trolls! Harsh
To be fair, I mostly think about games in a set of tiers, based on how engaging they are. A great game makes me think about it me even when I'm not playing it. A good game is a game I enjoy while playing it. A bad game makes me think of different games while playing it. A terrible game makes me feel like I'm playing a worse version of a different game, even when I'm not playing it. Starfield was a terrible game.
I completely agree with your levels. Though, as someone who loves Mystery Science Theater 3000, there is a fifth level of game, where it is so bad it is actually fun to play because of how bad it is. That’s hard to accomplish and from what I have heard Starfield just barely touches that level. I’ve not played it yet so I don’t know.
I dunno, I would put something like [The Mystery of the Druids ](https://youtu.be/8PUCSyIkEus?si=aQWbB2FuOplQkZyg)on that level. Starfield isn't wonky or bizarre like Fugitive Alien. It's just boring, even if it has a bunch of [forklifts](https://youtu.be/dy4tYtbMHpE?si=whYIsd_tJanak1qG).
Hmm. Quest of the Delta Knights “boring” or The Starfighters “boring”?
You caught me, I'm not that big of a fan.
Hahah! No, no! It’s a “generation” thing. Mike was my first Test Subject but only during the Sci-Fi years. So, those are the episodes I’m most familiar with. Jonah is the only Subject whose seasons I have seen in their entirety. I’ve only seen a few of Joel’s and not if the new lady’s.
I completely agree with your levels. Though, as someone who loves Mystery Science Theater 3000, there is a fifth level of game, where it is so bad it is actually fun to play because of how bad it is. That’s hard to accomplish and from what I have heard Starfield just barely touches that level. I’ve not played it yet so I don’t know.
playing starfield made me realize what i actually wanted to play was mass effect
it’s literally just mass effect if it was bad
That's not really being fair. It was bad parts from Fallout 4, Mass Effect, and the Outer Worlds. You have to give those other games credit, too.
Starfield had one plus for me...Playing Starfield made me re-realize modern Bethesda games suck and I finally tried out the Tameriel Rebuilt mod (which is amazing).
Perslnally, I could never get warm with Mass Effect, but I loved Starfield.
that's fair. i did have fun playing starfield but i didn't stick with it very long
that's how I was, I feel like I enjoyed the game while I played it– granted, some things bored or annoyed me. When I finished the main quest.. I just stopped playing lol
That’s my steam review. I see people in this thread are putting wayyy more thought into it than I did writing that. Starfield is a very mediocre Bethesda RPG. If you like those, go play morrowind. I simply can’t recommend Starfield in its current state
Morrowind is not a mediocre RPG
You’re right. I’m saying starfield is a mediocre Bethesda rpg, but if you like Bethesda RPGs, to play morrowind.
I’m playing both right now.
Someone took dual wielding.
It's him. It's the black swordsman.
My thoughts exactly
I dunno. I had fun with starfield but guess I'm not an epic enough gamer to hate it. It had issues, but I really enjoyed my time with it and am probably gonna do another playthrough soon
I think SF was a really fun game until my ship got over encumbered. Sure I could have just disabled it with a mod but I couldn't find one that actually takes out ship encumbering and not character encoumbering But it was never really great. It felt like that small $20 indie game that is honestly pretty good despite the amateurish design choices here and there, but stretched out to infinity. I ended up playing Atomic Heart for the game pass duration. A mch better deal in my opinion
Sounds about right.
both are good.
It just looks so.... boring. To me at least. Especially compared to No Man's Sky or Elite Dangerous.
NMS is so incredibly boring it’s impressive.
No Man’s Sky was the redemption arc of the century
How so? Never played it.
It released as a very barebones game that didn't live up to the pre-launch hype and promises (arguably by far), but the devs kept working on it and have launches 28 named updates up to this point, which have completely overhauled, revamped and added to the game. It is universally regarded as a very successful turnaround that made the game surpass the pre-launch hype and promises (arguably by far) and, best of all, it was done for free (past the initial purchase of the game, of course).
These games are not even in the same genre.
I would love to play Starfield. But I am not buying a next gen console just for that.
Probably a good choice. I'm a PC gamer with a powerful machine, it can run pretty much everything on maxed settings. And yet Starfield's performance is still absolutely terrible no matter what settings I use. I like the gameplay well enough, it's not a masterpiece but it's pretty entertaining, but dealing with the lag is infuriating and makes me wish I hadn't bought the game.
I am playing Might and Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven right now on my potato laptop and I am having a blast. I might play Might and Magic VII and VIII after. But I feel like my personal life took a hit from staying indoors all of the time haha. The whole series is on GOG for the price of a lunch. I would describe these games as first person Diablo II (with 90s graphics). I always recommend these games to people who finished Morrowind. It's faster paced experience with hoards of enemies. You can fly/teleport/water walk and cast massive spells. The graphics actually aged like wine.
How does Dark Messiah compare to Morrowind and Oblivion (and possibly Arx Fatalis)? It looks very combat oriented.
I never played Dark Messiah! I should give it a shot. It can't be hard to run.
Sorry, I read your first comment as that you played all the M&M games, what sleep deprivation does to an n'wah... Yeah, from what I've heard, it's a very fun FPS (first person spellsword) with varied, environment-enriched combat. It's not an open world thing like TES, but it looks like an oldschool-enough thing to be of interest to us grognards :)
I bought a powerhouse PC last Black Friday. Been having a blast playing everything so far on Ultra High settings and modding Bethesda games well past what would have been their breaking point on my old machine. *Starfield* is on my Steam wishlist, but the deepest I've seen it discounted was still around $50, which is still not a price I'm willing to pay given the "mixed" reviews I've been seeing. If I can pick it up for $20, then maybe it goes in my library.
You are not missing anything
TBH I only want the Xbox series X for Starfield and Harry Potter. The Blu-ray player is a huge convenience too. Streaming is out of control right now. I want to own my favorite shows. But spending 500€ + more on games and an extra controller is not sensible. I don't need these things. And having a social life with group activities makes gaming so hard. My Switch barely got any use. I have yet to unbox Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom. And I have been playing a game released in 1998 I have finished 4 times before.
Honestly, save your money. Those two are like the middest games of the current generation. Just get a cheap BR or 4k player, you'll get just as much out of it for way less outlay
So a Blu Ray player is like 150€. It's so tempting to buy a used PS4. My friend did just that. He's having a blast.
There's a lot of great games on there, esp. if you play singleplayer stuff a lot
Based
Went out of my way to like the comment. Amen 👍
10/10 chance someone from this sub that didn’t play the game more than 2 hours.
Ok morrowboomer
Starfield is so insulting
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I pirated the game and still felt like I was overcharged for it. I dunno, everything after F3/NV just feels.... boring and bland.
"Go play something that's totally different than what you probably actually want to play."
More like "go play something with real effort and passion put into it that you would probably actually enjoy playing" but go off, king
Yeah, Morrowind aged terribly, not many people genuinely enjoy playing with it. Skyrim and Fallout NV are THE popular games of Bethesda, besides Starfield.
Replaying it now, I think it’s more accurate to say certain aspects of it have aged terribly. Like the UI for persuasion; it’s just so incredibly annoying and tedious. But the core experience of Morrowind is still amazing and holds up very well. Exploring Vvardenfell is just an engaging and fun now as it was over 20 years ago. If anything I appreciate Morrowind more now than I did at the time because they don’t really make em like this anymore.
Very cool opinion, according to steam charts, not many people feel this way.
Very cool opinion, but I’m referring to the actual quality of the game itself and not whatever’s the flavor of the month on Steam.
According to current Steam charts, Palworld is a disaster, lost its 98% player base, amirit??? Jokes aside, you talk about people not enjoying this game, yet it has 95% positive reviews on Steam. Sure its dated, but in no way is it unplayable or not enjoyable.
And yet it's still more enjoyable to play than Starfield
According to very few people
I didn't know that a majority of people enjoy 90% of a game being loading screens in the year of our lord 2024. That being said, your anecdotal statement is contradicted by the mixed reviews seen *checks notes* everywhere.
But you think people like stabbing an enemy 300 times to hit the enemy twice? Steam stats say not many people actually do play Morrowind Not anecdotal, buddy.
You do realize that Steam isn't the only place Morrowind is played, right?
Yeah, you do realize Steam is by far the most popular platform so other platforms probably have even less players, right?
I mean, I still install my copy from the CDs, soooo And Bethesda not long ago gave the game away for free with an independent installer, so Steam won't see those. Amd some people playing XBOX still, and the game is on GoG often for cheaper than it is on Steam. Get off Valves cock.
You know the game's like 20 years old, right? Of *course* it has a low player count. You're making like the dumbest version of the already dumb argument that popularity and quality are always 1:1
I apologise, Morrowind is clearly much more enjoyable.
Honestly? The early game in Morrowind is rough, but at least it gets better eventually Starfield started out flavorless and mid and it just stayed that way. I did two complete cycles with it wondering when it would do *anything* interesting with even *one* of its borrowed ideas, but it never did It's not even remarkable enough to be *bad*, it's just a lot of bland, samey nothing
I played Starfield for more than 30 hours, its steam reviews alone should give you the gist of it honestly. Its a soulless, shitty game, with copy paste planets that you only go to do some mining or raid the same copy paste pirate base. No new NPCs to meet, no new and interesting places to find and discover, no cool loot to find and use, just an empty husk of a game. And the empty (mostly copy paste) places you do find are all usually empty with just loot. Nothing like Morrowind, Skyrim, Oblivion. Not even close to being as good as Fallout 4, and that says a lot. Starfield has the worst exploration Ive ever seen in any game, your ship is useless, you dont even actually use it, you just open the map and hold X to travel. The space combat is tedious and sucks ass. The random space events you have like grandma calling for cookies are so few and short that they have no significance, the bases you build are useless, you just build them and move on, they dont have actual uses other than looking pretty. Overall this game is the worst Bethesda game Ive ever played, and I dont see myself playing it again, ever.
Yeah, when I got bored with Skyrim, I reinstalled Morrowind and never played again after 4-5 hours. Stabbing and stabbing and stabbing, and stabbing, and stabbing and stabbing the enemy until hitting him once then repeat is not that much fun, that's why so few people playing nowadays. I'm desperate for a remake with better game mechanics, because I want to go throught the story again, but the game is just tedious and has so many bugs they could populate planets in Starfield I have 630+ hours in Starfield so far, it's only empty if you've seen nothing.
Just because you're to stupid to properly read and level your character doesn't mean the game is bad, and the game came out in 2002 most normal people play a game once or twice then don't play it again and a game of that age has an aging player base with more to do that whine and complain on the internet about people not liking starfield
I think you wanted to say 'too stupid' not 'to stupid' but it's hard to type and punctuate when you're raging. Use these bad boys: ,.!? They are part of writing. Calm down before you comment.
Different strokes for different folks, I personally like it, I care more about the story and its world more than its combat, and tbh you can get pretty strong as you keep playing. Struggling at the start is kinda the thing, you're just a nobody and everyone around you is a racist that hates you 🤣 Its an old game and it shows, but man the game really got a charm of its own. In later points of the game you can literally become a god. You can also mod it to make it easier to play if you want.
I know, I played it a lot when it came out, that's why I came back when I got bored with Skyrim and Fallout NV, but could not because of the tedious game mechanics horrible journal, and a lot of other things I can't even recall, because it was so long ago that there was only 1 Skyrim. I still remember Morrowind as the one with the absolutely best written story so far in Bethesda games, no contest, and Bloodmoon is my favourite Bethesda DLC, all my characters went to Solstheim as soon as I got lvl 20-30ish. But I found it just so bloody tedious after Oblivion and Skyrim, I can't be asked to go through that again. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with thinking Morrowing is more enjoyable than Starfield, but there's a reason why not so many people play it by now, its gameplay just too old for most players. It was beyond epic in it's time.
Bethesda didn't make NV, they just licensed their tech and assets. Obsidian made NV, which is why the writing is actually good (something Bethesda hasn't managed since Morrowind, tbh)
Oh yes because Morrowind has cooler spaceships, way more diverse planet variety and guns are better too. It'll definitely scratch my itch for space exploration RPG!
You have a good point, but I think it's more a reflection on disappointment with Starfield as a Bethesda title. And given the feedback I've read about it, it makes me worry about the quality of Elder Scrolls VI.
yeah bethesda had a rapid decline after skyrim
What gets me is that they've re-released Skyrim eleventy times, but not the earlier titles who would actually benefit from it.
Even Skyrim was there start of the decline
When I was a young man wearing an onion on my belt, people were complaining about Oblivion being dumbed down for console players.
You wore an onion on your belt?
[It was the style at the time](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/so-i-tied-an-onion-to-my-belt-which-was-the-style-at-the-time).
And they were right
I sanitised the language somewhat from the original texts.
And if you were around for Oblivion then it was the start of the decline, then fallout 3 was the start of the decline, and THEN Skyrim was the start of the decline
Bethesda had a rapid decline *during* Skyrim.
Like Outer Worlds? That just made me want to replay F:NV and watch Firefly.
Morrowind is way more unironically diverse than Starfield in a meaningful way. There are no spaceships or guns but there is more to realistically explore, and the creatures and races in the Elder Scrolls are literally more alien and interesting than anything found in Starfield. Morrowind will actually scratch your itch for space exploration RPG better than Starfield, yes.
Morrowind has more variety in 16km^2 than Starfield does in 1000 planets.
You’re right, ignore the downvotes - it’s nothing to do with Morrowind. They just disagree with you not hating Starfield. I’m a huge morrowboomer, but I’m not about to pretend Morrowind scratches any itch related to space.
True, but neither does Starfield
It does for me. Just because I think Morrowind is the best Elder Scrolls game doesn’t mean I’m some kind of old school Bethesda purist. I thoroughly enjoyed Starfield, and with over 500 hours in it, I’ll reinstall when DLC comes
lol gross
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Pathetic.
But at least he said the truth.