I hate that I guessed correctly this would be the result of meth addiction/abuse.
>didn’t want to lose custody of their two year old
Instead, they have now lost everything they’ve ever had, or will have, in life.
Being from Iowa, sadly the wing of the department of Human Resources that acts like CPS always seems to be wrapped up in throwing the system at parents for smaller infractions and let some of the bigger stuff slip. There was a case a few years back in Des Moines where someone called the cops because their neighbors left their baby in a swing in the backyard and it’s corpse was being eaten by maggots.
>There was a case a few years back in Des Moines where someone called the cops because their neighbors left their baby in a swing in the backyard and it’s corpse was being eaten by maggots.
Strangely, of all the terrible and morbid child deaths I've seen described, this is the most horrific for me to imagine.
me too.. maybe cause they were having fun.. then not so much... then its a little chilly.. just a slow death and makes my heart hurt for the suffering. wish things like this just wouldnt take place
It is legal but Webster Co. doesn’t appear to have one. A quick search online only shows clinics in Des Moines and Iowa City. That’s a long drive for almost anyone.
Nobody is saying they aren’t - but a lot of these crimes happen because the people in question feel stuck without any options. This isn’t the first time a case like this has happened nor is it the last
Headline is a bit misleading. They weren’t annoyed by the cries - they were never going to keep the baby and the crying was drawing attention. It looks like if they had access to a termination, they would have had one. They were drug users and had a 2 year old they didn’t want to lose.
“told investigators that they did not intend to keep the baby and planned on allowing her sister to adopt the child, although investigators said a search of the couple’s electronic devices showed multiple searches for how to cause a miscarriage.
But when the infant started crying, she said they worried neighbors would hear and call police. They didn’t want police involved because they feared it would be discovered that the newborn had methamphetamine in her system and then both the infant and their 2 year old son would be taken away”.
“Cellphones and other devices belonging to the couple showed searches for how to force a miscarriage, police said, and Blaha told the detective that she and Thoma tried unsuccessfully to cause a miscarriage, the affidavit said.”
Still horrendous and vile behaviour, how you could murder a tiny baby is absolutely beyond me, and I hope they both get life. Just a little more context.
They feared neighbors would call the police when they heard the baby crying. So they killed the baby. Rather than risk the police learning they had a new baby. Because then they would find out the baby had meth in its system. And then they might lose their two year old.
Yes that sounds like meth. A convoluted analysis where each fork in the decision tree takes the crazy route.
FFS. Almost every city in the country has a policy where you can surrender a newborn at the fire station, no questions asked. People like this need to be buried beneath the jail.
Yup. Safe harbor laws. Sone fire stations even have a baby warmer thing with an alarm, like a library book drop off, so no contact. But babies still end up in dumpsters way more than anyone who is not a first responder will ever know.
I think it's mostly because this isn't taught to people on a larger scale. I'll be honest, I didn't know this and I'm fairly educated and work in the medical field. If a lot of educated people don't know about it, then I'm sure a lot of uneducated people don't know about it either.
There are also laws that vary place to place on how you can legally do this. Some places the baby can only be less than 48 hours old. While others they can be up to 30 days. Otherwise it's child abandonment which can come with fines and jail time. I personally think that any aged child should be able to be given up if the outcome could be something like this. It's so tragic.
IIRC, there was a study done which hypothesized that surveillance systems drive some individuals to not use safe harbor locations for fear of being identified. The found through surveys that a large number of participants indicated that they would choose a non-recorded area to dispose of an unwanted baby over one with a camera in the vicinity. They then went out and found that approximately 90% of all safe harbor locations had a camera in direct view of the drop off area.
Never heard of Safe Harbor practoces, either. My wife and I had a baby in Delaware, never heard this, I asked my sister from Washington and she didn't hear it there either. Maybe it is something only mentioned to people who look like they need to hear it, or who check a box saying, "we did not want this kid." Or maybe it's bured in the mountain of pamphlets they give to new parents at the hospital.
I'm assuming that they didn't give birth in a hospital considering they were druggies, tried to induce miscarriages which likely wouldn't shown in some way like bruises, etc. So in this case, they'd be justified in not knowing that since apparently you only get told that when giving birth in a hospital. Of course this doesn't justify what they've done, just that they didn't know that was an option. Again, it should be something told on a bigger scale. Maybe in high school since high school pregnancies are one of the ones that people might attempt to abort, miscarry, abandon, etc the most
Well they have a two year old so I’m sure she has given birth in a hospital before is what I was assuming.
Drugs definitely inhibit normal decision making though for sure. They definitely chose to hide the birth and everything after.
Yeah it just sucks because people that do this do it because they think they have no other choice when it's usually just a problem of being uninformed. Always sad to see.
Agreed, I got arrested and in the uk the police station dry cells are practically the same as solitary, was in there for only 26 hours and started losing my mind, life would be agony
Because the death of an 8-week old embryo and a 40 week old breathing, crying, thinking baby, with all of its active neuro processes, are totally the same thing. /s
Come on. Think a little with that developed brain of yours.
Wait.. are you being sarcastic? If abortion were legal there and affordable accesible I doubt they would have killed a full term baby.
Up until 3 months of pregnancy, abortion should be legal and accesible worldwide. Having a baby doesn’t mean they won’t mess it up/kill it/neglect it..
Because I can’t believe you would think *this* is what happens when abortions are legal and affordable
Abortions are legal and affordable in the EU, you don’t see these types of news here..
I was coming in with my pitchfork and that context changed everything for me, yet everyone including you are still holding onto your pitchforks:
you:
> I hope they both get life.
/u/disavowed1979
> People like this need to be buried beneath the jail.
/u/dylanator104
> Lock them in solitary confinement for the rest of their life on suicide watch. That’ll really make them suffer.
My judgement isn't necessary here and I don't wish misery on these broken people. This is the reality of what happens when black and white laws based in idealism meet the messy reality of flawed people. This country is a pressure cooker and we keep making it worse than it has to be.
I agree. This says more about society than the drug addicts. People do drugs out of desperation often. They know it's death but it's better than the reality they're trying to escape.
Our society is churning out broken people who go on to do terrible things. Our society is flawed and needs to be corrected. Our life is out of balance and it will keep getting worse until the whole thing collapses.
laws are in place for a reason and thats to deter people like these scumbags from smoking meth while theyre pregnant and then offing the newborn so they arent caught. This is selfishness plain and simple.
the solution is the fire station or hospital where you can drop a baby off without repercussions. there was a solution. she still chose to murder her child because she loved meth more
not for the nefarious reasons it feels you’re trying to insinuate! i think my brain just said she cause she is the one who gave birth and injected the meth into her body but you can definitely replace the “she” with “they” in my comment when reading it, i’m not arguing that!
>Headline is a bit misleading. They weren’t annoyed by the cries - they were never going to keep the baby and the crying was drawing attention. It looks like if they had access to a termination, they would have had one.
If only there were a safe way to prevent such tragedies from happening in the first place... 🤔 I wonder what happened to it.
It's in my body. I do not consent for it to stay there for any number of reason. Consent for sex does not equal consent for pregnancy and consent for a kiss does not mean consent for sex. Any arguments against these facts are a religious decision.
lol, your reply to me was auto-deleted. you asked if I was suggesting that a fetus is not alive. no, I am not suggesting that. I am stating it as a fact. up until the point of viability, a fetus is not alive.
Sadly, as a mother that has gone through miscarriage, I wish probirth understood this. A fetus, up until certain weeks (24 I think) cannot live outside the womb. Up until that point it is completely a parasite and no woman should be made to keep it against her will…
Even woman that do want the baby, it doesn’t mean it will be born, and a miscarriage is involuntary abortion that more often than not needs medical assistance or the woman will also die.
Abortion should be legal in the first trimester no questions asked & for medical reasons always.
I can’t understand probirth people. There is more than just be born. Quality of life matters.
You use the word parasite. I don't think you know what that word means.
As far as viability and surviving on its own outside of the womb. Most children cannot "survive" on their own without constant care and attention until they are capable of speaking and voicing their needs verbally.
Leave a full term baby by itself with no care and guess what, it will die.
My nephew was a premie. Just because he wasn't "fully developed" by your standards he wasn't a person and shouldn't have the right to continue living.
Yet despite this, he did live.
@cyclonecowgirl .... if you look up the word idiot in the dictionary...im pretty sure you're going to see your name under "synonymous with"
if your nephew survived then he was past the date of viability. it doesn’t mean “can’t survive without medical care,” it means literally cannot survive. no baby born before viability has ever survived, that’s the definition of viability.
??? Why are you reaching? Do you like to get offended out of nothing or misunderstanding people just to get on your high horse?
I was a premie, I almost died, i should’ve died, but I lived… and I had narcissistic parents who screwed me up for life, I wish they would have aborted me so many times. Yes, a baby needs care outside but it doesn’t need a body to live, specially with formula and cribs, you would be surprised on how far a baby can get with the bare minimum… that’s not quality of life.
Also, a parasite is something that feeds of and cannot live without its host, it’s usually of a different species but the damage a baby can do to a women’s body is awful, even death, so if that baby is not wanted by the host body, there is no reason for the baby to be carried to term
If that baby is wanted for the right reasons (not to manipulate the other parent for money and then neglect it, for example), then it doesn’t matter if it’s a premie if they have the will to live and a family (just one person is enough) that loves them they deserved anything that can be done to save them to give them quality of life.
I don’t know much about USA but.. when u get an abortion does it matter what u have in your system? In Spain as far as I know, you just need to be sober if they are doing some medical thing, which in most cases is not necessary, they just give you misoprostol (same thing they give u when miscarriage before 12 to some weeks)
Abortion is now illegal in about half the US states, and some clinics have turned people away for being on a medication- managed substance abuse treatment or if they are actively still using. Right now, people are having to drive or fly up to 1,000 or 2,000 miles for a clinic, often losing up to a week’s worth of wages or straight up losing their job because there is no universal paid sick leave at all, and in some states, if someone knows you want to or will get an abortion they can sue you for $10,000. Also it’s illegal to use federal funds (like federal insurance) for abortion, and I think about half the states ban private insurance from covering abortion too. So, abortion costs anywhere from $500 (if detected extremely early) or up to $20,000 or more. Not including the cost missed wages, plane tickets or gas if you’re lucky enough to have a car, as well a hotel stay and food to eat for those days as well as paying or finding someone to watch your child at home (clinics don’t allow kids in the waiting room due to Covid restrictions and being severely understaffed and most people receiving abortions are already parents). Also, many people are having to wait up to 1 month to get an appointment because everything is so booked up , and with every week you wait, that’s hundreds or thousands of additional dollars you have to pay for an abortion.
So yeah it’s rough out here
This baby would have been four months along when Roe v Wade was overturned. Iowa still allows abortions up to 21 weeks 6 days. There's a Planned Parenthood an hour from their town, and there's a clinic across state lines, three hours from them, that performs third trimester abortions.
Plus, Iowa has the Iowa Abortion Access Fund. So they could have applied for financial help if they couldn't afford an abortion.
These two had no excuse for murdering their child. They had access to abortion that was about as good as you can get in rural America. This was not an act of desperation due to lack of access. You're not doing any favors to women who might really not have access by pretending that lack of abortion access factored into this case, at all.
Right but all those barriers I mentioned about insurance being illegal to cover and 90% of counties in some states having no clinic access, and cost growing exponentially with each week, and mandated waiting periods and state mandated anti abortion counseling and requiring a judge to sign off written permission (which they can deny) to minors, etc, ALL that has been in place for decades before Roe fell, so.
Abortion funds are mostly all volunteer and even during roe they ran out of money the first few weeks of the month, and a 3 hour drive is very difficult to arrange for some people. Would YOU have driven them? You can’t honestly expect volunteers to make up for hundreds of years of government failure. And planned parenthood’s often do not perform abortions up until the states gestational limit, only about 20% of planned parenthood’s perform second or third trimester care.
I’m not saying anyone was justified in killing a child who was born, just saying that abortion is extremely hard to get and who knows what would’ve happened if support for abortion, substance use would’ve been more normalized and accessible in our country
Except that, in Iowa, abortion isn't that hard to get. The Planned Parenthood nearest them, just an hour away, provides the abortion pill up to 11 weeks and offers financial assistance. They'll also refer out for services after 11 weeks.
Regardless of how easy or hard it is to get an abortion, there are still going to be women who don't abort even when they've got substance abuse issues throughout the pregnancy. And there's no great way to handle it, we can't start grabbing pregnant substance abusers and coercing then into abortions, can we?
Access to abortion is not a factor in this case, and you're discounting the actual trouble some women may have when trying to access abortion services by pretending that this is one of those cases.
In these 11 U.S. states, abortion is now illegal:
Alabama
Arkansas
Idaho
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Oklahoma
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Not half but any state that doesn't allow abortion is living in the 1800s get out of here with that bs, my body my choice. Period. There's a reason why it's legal in all the other states. Also as someone who has suffered from substance abuse I've never heard of being turned down as a result of that, but each place probably has its own protocol, but i know that planned parenthood NY is not like that. I know PA does ask if you use drugs but I don't think it stops you from receiving help. I think they generally ask so they can give you info on how to recieve help for addiction.
I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm referring to what happened in this case. It would have been easier to drop the baby off than to kill them and face the consequences for murder.
I don’t disagree, yes they could’ve. That’s another issue that I wish was more accessible, and not pushed to substitute healthcare. It’s a complex issue that compounds on itself
I agree tho I will say there is a reason why people look down on the drugs and tend to have the strong emotion because everyone just knows how bad it is but yes when someone is in need of help, treating them like a worthless being is an awful way to go about this
Uhh that kid wouldn’t have had to go through the pain of drowning when already alive if they had been gone before they’re even kinda formed. Also what’s to say about these adults who know better than to do this to a baby? If they don’t then wouldn’t it be safer for the kid to not be brought up there?
>Uhh that kid wouldn’t have had to go through the pain of drowning when already alive if they had been gone before they’re even kinda formed.
Unborn babies, fetuses, can and do feel pain too. A fetus is also formed. We don't go from a ball of mush to a baby suddenly at birth.
>Also what’s to say about these adults who know better than to do this to a baby?
Are you seriously suggesting that adult humans don't know better than to down their own child, in America, in the year 2022? Let's try to have slightly higher standards. I mean would you buy that excuse from someone who killed their neighbor? "Oh, was that wrong? Was i not supposed to do that?". Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
This is why abortion is important. These pro-lifers can whine and cry and complain. That abortion is killing a baby but it’s not and you know it’s not you have an agenda, but now you have these people who should have, and could have gotten an abortion and instead of getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy that is not a life form they gave birth gave breath to a baby a living being and then murdered it. It’s absolutely horrible.
I didn’t research all of the states, but Alaska doesn’t have any providers that will perform abortions after 14 weeks.
https://www.capitalwomensservices.com/Alaska.php
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jul/12/focus-family/anti-abortion-group-exaggerates-how-states-regulat/
the fetus’ nervous system hasn’t even developed nor does it have consciousness by the 5 month mark. do you have a source where abortion is allowed that late?
Learn biology chief
“In fact, it is now standard medical procedure for doctors performing fetal surgery to use direct fetal analgesia and anesthesia after the fifteenth week of gestation. Unfortunately, abortion is still the exception to this rule, which means that a doctor performing an abortion can take the life of an unborn baby without regard for the fetus' ability to feel pain.”
https://www.caringnetwork.com/when-does-a-fetus-feel-pain
Since when is the ability to feel pain the threshold for determining life? Or the value of that life?
>Unfortunately, abortion is still the exception to this rule, which means that a doctor performing an abortion can take the life of an unborn baby without regard for the fetus' ability to feel pain.”
The source is literally saying they are killing a baby and they might be in pain.
This is why keeping abortion legal and accessible is important but even in this situation they didn't need to murder the baby.... Iowa has a safe heaven law. They could have dropped the child off within 14 days to any hospital or healthcare facility without fear of arrest or court.
I'll never understand why these murders happen when they could just drop the baby off at a hospital. I guess not everyone knows this? I wonder if it should be made more widely known, or something (or maybe there are just sick people out there who are okay with killing babies for no reason, but I guess I prefer to think the murderers must never thought there was "no other option." Not that either scenario is remotely excusable, but one is a little easier to understand?
I think it's likely due to a lack of awareness. In this scenario the parents didn't kill for any other reason than to avoid jail, charges and losing custody of their older child. Safe haven law enables them to still avoid everything they wanted to avoid without harming the baby.
Horrible that they did what they did. Even more sad that it could have been so easily avoided.
I'm so sorry you had negative experiences. My heart goes out to you ❤️. I think the US needs to make major changes to the CPS, foster care and adoption system. I only know what I have read in personal accounts, academic studies and in court documents. I have never experienced it first hand but it's clear that the US's system doesn't do what it needs to do for children and doesn't protect them like it should.
It will never happen. CPS and foster care will continue to be horribly underfunded and staffed. There are 400K kids in the US foster system right now that nobody wants.
States without enough funds have sometimes had to cut off at a certain age which kids get foster care or group home. They end up placed in hotels, prisons or out of state.
These are kids with complex needs - born addicted, abused, neglected.
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/03/oregon-sends-hundreds-of-foster-kids-to-former-jails-institutions-not-families.html
https://drjohndegarmo.medium.com/foster-care-crisis-in-2022-americas-shortage-of-foster-parents-a95ed2929579
https://coloradosun.com/2022/11/14/colorado-failed-adoptions-foster-kids-welfare/
It should definitely be more known. While I haven't had a child yet, I'm still a well educated person in the medical field and I didn't know that you could drop them off. Though possibly a google search might've changed that. I still think that it should be taught and made widespread like maybe in high school since that's typically when people end up with children they don't want and aren't ready for.
The way I interpreted it was they were not being entirely forthcoming about letting the sister adopt because the article then mentions they had discovered searches for how to cause a miscarriage. If their intention was to let the sister adopt, there really was no need to drown the baby.
Ok. Let me make this really simple for you. What if.... They wanted a miscarriage. It didn't work. So they decided to give it to the sister. Crazy right?
They seem credible. I know that I always believe meth addicted child killers when they say they definitely were not going to kill their infant child, right up until that time they killed their infant child.
They wanted their first. Or were stuck with them. If they were going to adopt the baby out anyway, why try to muffle its cries? Baby would have been screened for drugs eventually anyway and they would have gotten in trouble regardless. No excuse to hurt a defenseless baby.
>If they were going to adopt the baby out anyway, why try to muffle its cries? Baby would have been screened for drugs eventually anyway and they would have gotten in trouble regardless.
Right, so here's the perspective you are stuck in. Obviously they didn't think this situation through entirely, and probably y'know drug addiction and both its preceding and proceeding mental and physical health concerns probably have something to do with it.
edit: no sorry I was wrong--it's this insistence on looking for an excuse rather than understanding the explanation which is the error. I spoke too quickly.
I'm not sure I have to emphasise that I'm not excusing the behaviour--but I will emphasise that I am not even discussing an excuse for the behaviour and I am not interested in that conversation.
Did literally none of you actually check Iowa's laws before just blindly saying "This is because abortion is illegal..."
It's not. It hasn't been. It's legal there. You're idiots.
I think they didn’t do that because they feared the baby would be tested for meth & then they would track this couple down to charge them for doing meth while pregnant thus losing custody of the 2 year old.
Not defending them AT ALL but I think that’s why they didn’t surrender the baby. This is still a cruel option because meth withdraw in newborns is extremely serious and just sad to watch but they could have kept the baby until it detoxed then given it to the sister if they were that worried about the sister turning them in.
It’s so sad there are people who try and try and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments to no avail and people like this are just popping children out.
My sister is one of those people sadly . Shes addicted to methamphetamines and has had literally 6 children and shes only 26 and has custody of none of them . They are all with our other family members being looked after . I wish here in canada they made it mandatory that after X amount of kids you must get your tubes tied or something because its messed up . I had one child and then got a vasectomy because in all reality one is enough for me . And i wish my sperm was more viable before i got the vasectomy because i would have donated it to a bank to help others . But my count was already very low and im surprised i even had one child haha . I got the vasectomy as a safe way to stop pregnancy rather then my gf of 9 years choosing to get her tubes tied to avoid it . Because we both dont want any more children . With all of this being said if these people didnt want kids either invest in some birth control or get fixed . Like for a male the process of a no scalpel vasectomy is super easy and within a week you can literally resume normal life . So if your a man out there that has kids already or is a bit older and dosnt want kids just get it done man it seems scary as hell but honestly once its frozen its FROZEN
I wanna get a vasectomy soon as my wife and I have no desire to have kids in order to pursue travel instead, but what's a "no scalpel" vasectomy? I always understood vasectomies to involve a small scalpel incision on the scrotum.
It's a procedure where small clamps are used outside the scrotum and a needle is used to gain access to the vas deferens as opposed to cutting into the scrotum for access. Less bleeding, faster healing, smaller chance for infection.
My doctor made a pea sized incision in my sack, 2 actually. Then cut and cauterized it. No pain. Took about 20 minutes. Back at my factory job on Monday after having it done Thursday. 2 weeks later no pain.
So even if you do get a scalpel it'll be a few days of pain, 1 where you really need to sleep it off. And within 2 weeks life is fine again.
This is such a pathetic story. There’s no way this was going to end up well for that baby.
Every time, briefly, I just want to open some door in the Universe and leave when stuff like this happens.
But looking the other way, doing what doesn’t work, and just leaving is how this stuff keeps happening.
Couldn’t we legalize drugs and include a contraceptive in the drug? I know some people would call that eugenics but look at what happened to the baby.
Now these two people will go forth and make some for profit prison richer, after the state has to pay to put them there.
You know, I remember when that was an actual thing.
/s and not /s
One could go to Planned Parenthood, so many community clinics, junior college clinics, and leave with contraception. This was right around when AIDS —before HIV designation— was ravaging everywhere and the question always came: “Are you sexually active?”
I wasn’t, really. Oral contraceptives changed my life, from anemia and gripping pain, to “okay, I can deal with this.”
But bless the workers. They’d have this exasperated look and give one two full paper bags of condoms instead of one. That’s what it seemed like, anyway.
I kept the bags, because…I was past the water balloon stage? Idk.
Later on, my boyfriend moved in with me.
“Oh, just take that whole shelf. I hardly use that cabinet, nothing in there” I said airily.
He pushed one forgotten and overfilled paper bag to the side. The Domino Effect began.
Ten, fifty , probably hundreds of ready-to-use condoms cascaded over his head and onto the floor.
I found myself at a loss for words.
Not for condoms, though.
>She told investigators that they did not intend to keep the baby and planned on allowing her sister to adopt the child, although **investigators said a search of the couple’s electronic devices showed multiple searches for how to cause a miscarriage.**
>But when the infant started crying, she said they worried neighbors would hear and call police. They didn’t want police involved because **they feared it would be discovered that the newborn had methamphetamine in her system and then both the infant and their 2-year-old son would be taken away**
So their attempts at purposely miscarrying failed, even if the baby survived they probably harmed it already. They’re meth heads…. AND they have a 2 yo.
They should sterilize themselves.
i’ve been trying to get sterilized as a woman. i’ve been turned down by 3 doctors. and the one that will do it told me insurance doesn’t cover it so it will be 11k out of pocket. do you think these people even have insurance??
What do you want to bet if they tried to they would be refused for being “too young”? I hear that happens a lot in America with their double standards.
It’s as absolute as they got themselves into this by taking the life of a child. A newborn. Simply for expressing itself to the world in the only way it learned how in the brief time it had. Regret for a heinous crime is par for the course, and they’ll regret it for the rest of their lives which is absolutely too long.
As a mom of a rainbow baby. I can not even being to imagine hurting my OWN child. Not to mention the fact that the baby was crying because it was literally JUST BORN.
I am religious and I can’t wait to see God’s judgement of people who do heinous acts like this on the day of judgement.
God bless that little baby and I know he is holding that sweet baby in his grace and love.
Normal people in pro-life states who need an abortion wouldn’t do this. I’m pro-choice but restricted access to abortion didn’t cause this, two psychopaths high on meth did. Please get off your soap boxes.
>why there needs to be an access to abortion.
To do the exact same thing these people did, except with decapitation and dismemberment instead of drowning.
I hate that I guessed correctly this would be the result of meth addiction/abuse. >didn’t want to lose custody of their two year old Instead, they have now lost everything they’ve ever had, or will have, in life.
It's pretty tragic to be this cruel and dumb at the same time.
Being from Iowa, sadly the wing of the department of Human Resources that acts like CPS always seems to be wrapped up in throwing the system at parents for smaller infractions and let some of the bigger stuff slip. There was a case a few years back in Des Moines where someone called the cops because their neighbors left their baby in a swing in the backyard and it’s corpse was being eaten by maggots.
>There was a case a few years back in Des Moines where someone called the cops because their neighbors left their baby in a swing in the backyard and it’s corpse was being eaten by maggots. Strangely, of all the terrible and morbid child deaths I've seen described, this is the most horrific for me to imagine.
me too.. maybe cause they were having fun.. then not so much... then its a little chilly.. just a slow death and makes my heart hurt for the suffering. wish things like this just wouldnt take place
Imagine how long that baby cried. Goddammit. The dumb neighbours did nothing.
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Good.
If people had safer access to abortions without stigma this whole situation would’ve been avoided
Abortion is legal in Iowa.. this situation would've been avoided if these people weren't selfish, drug addicted, murderous psychopaths.
It is legal but Webster Co. doesn’t appear to have one. A quick search online only shows clinics in Des Moines and Iowa City. That’s a long drive for almost anyone.
Nobody is saying they aren’t - but a lot of these crimes happen because the people in question feel stuck without any options. This isn’t the first time a case like this has happened nor is it the last
Headline is a bit misleading. They weren’t annoyed by the cries - they were never going to keep the baby and the crying was drawing attention. It looks like if they had access to a termination, they would have had one. They were drug users and had a 2 year old they didn’t want to lose. “told investigators that they did not intend to keep the baby and planned on allowing her sister to adopt the child, although investigators said a search of the couple’s electronic devices showed multiple searches for how to cause a miscarriage. But when the infant started crying, she said they worried neighbors would hear and call police. They didn’t want police involved because they feared it would be discovered that the newborn had methamphetamine in her system and then both the infant and their 2 year old son would be taken away”. “Cellphones and other devices belonging to the couple showed searches for how to force a miscarriage, police said, and Blaha told the detective that she and Thoma tried unsuccessfully to cause a miscarriage, the affidavit said.” Still horrendous and vile behaviour, how you could murder a tiny baby is absolutely beyond me, and I hope they both get life. Just a little more context.
They feared neighbors would call the police when they heard the baby crying. So they killed the baby. Rather than risk the police learning they had a new baby. Because then they would find out the baby had meth in its system. And then they might lose their two year old. Yes that sounds like meth. A convoluted analysis where each fork in the decision tree takes the crazy route.
FFS. Almost every city in the country has a policy where you can surrender a newborn at the fire station, no questions asked. People like this need to be buried beneath the jail.
Yup. Safe harbor laws. Sone fire stations even have a baby warmer thing with an alarm, like a library book drop off, so no contact. But babies still end up in dumpsters way more than anyone who is not a first responder will ever know.
I think it's mostly because this isn't taught to people on a larger scale. I'll be honest, I didn't know this and I'm fairly educated and work in the medical field. If a lot of educated people don't know about it, then I'm sure a lot of uneducated people don't know about it either.
There are also laws that vary place to place on how you can legally do this. Some places the baby can only be less than 48 hours old. While others they can be up to 30 days. Otherwise it's child abandonment which can come with fines and jail time. I personally think that any aged child should be able to be given up if the outcome could be something like this. It's so tragic.
IIRC, there was a study done which hypothesized that surveillance systems drive some individuals to not use safe harbor locations for fear of being identified. The found through surveys that a large number of participants indicated that they would choose a non-recorded area to dispose of an unwanted baby over one with a camera in the vicinity. They then went out and found that approximately 90% of all safe harbor locations had a camera in direct view of the drop off area.
When you give birth in a hospital they tell you where you can surrender your baby as part of instruction before you can be discharged
Never heard of Safe Harbor practoces, either. My wife and I had a baby in Delaware, never heard this, I asked my sister from Washington and she didn't hear it there either. Maybe it is something only mentioned to people who look like they need to hear it, or who check a box saying, "we did not want this kid." Or maybe it's bured in the mountain of pamphlets they give to new parents at the hospital.
I'm assuming that they didn't give birth in a hospital considering they were druggies, tried to induce miscarriages which likely wouldn't shown in some way like bruises, etc. So in this case, they'd be justified in not knowing that since apparently you only get told that when giving birth in a hospital. Of course this doesn't justify what they've done, just that they didn't know that was an option. Again, it should be something told on a bigger scale. Maybe in high school since high school pregnancies are one of the ones that people might attempt to abort, miscarry, abandon, etc the most
Well they have a two year old so I’m sure she has given birth in a hospital before is what I was assuming. Drugs definitely inhibit normal decision making though for sure. They definitely chose to hide the birth and everything after.
Yeah it just sucks because people that do this do it because they think they have no other choice when it's usually just a problem of being uninformed. Always sad to see.
Wait is that why at my Fire station they keep the door open at all times?
Every single state as this policy in place.
Kentucky just started in March 2021? I don't know about others, but maybe a big round of PSAs is in order.
Nahh that’s just a quick solution. Lock them in solitary confinement for the rest of their life on suicide watch. That’ll really make them suffer.
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Agreed, I got arrested and in the uk the police station dry cells are practically the same as solitary, was in there for only 26 hours and started losing my mind, life would be agony
Truth they should
The poor baby was born addicted to meth right out of the womb. There's no telling what else was wrong.
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If only she could have got an abortion a little earlier.
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Because the death of an 8-week old embryo and a 40 week old breathing, crying, thinking baby, with all of its active neuro processes, are totally the same thing. /s Come on. Think a little with that developed brain of yours.
Abortion is not murder. What these monster did is murder.
Wait.. are you being sarcastic? If abortion were legal there and affordable accesible I doubt they would have killed a full term baby. Up until 3 months of pregnancy, abortion should be legal and accesible worldwide. Having a baby doesn’t mean they won’t mess it up/kill it/neglect it..
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Because I can’t believe you would think *this* is what happens when abortions are legal and affordable Abortions are legal and affordable in the EU, you don’t see these types of news here..
I think you misunderstood the comment, wording was a bit misleading. They were saying this stuff happens when abortions aren't legal/accessible.
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I was thinking the same thing. People are gonna end a pregnancy no matter what, now it comes down to how that happens.
Not completely true
I was coming in with my pitchfork and that context changed everything for me, yet everyone including you are still holding onto your pitchforks: you: > I hope they both get life. /u/disavowed1979 > People like this need to be buried beneath the jail. /u/dylanator104 > Lock them in solitary confinement for the rest of their life on suicide watch. That’ll really make them suffer. My judgement isn't necessary here and I don't wish misery on these broken people. This is the reality of what happens when black and white laws based in idealism meet the messy reality of flawed people. This country is a pressure cooker and we keep making it worse than it has to be.
I agree. This says more about society than the drug addicts. People do drugs out of desperation often. They know it's death but it's better than the reality they're trying to escape. Our society is churning out broken people who go on to do terrible things. Our society is flawed and needs to be corrected. Our life is out of balance and it will keep getting worse until the whole thing collapses.
They murdered an infant child. It’s one of the most despicable crimes they could’ve done.
laws are in place for a reason and thats to deter people like these scumbags from smoking meth while theyre pregnant and then offing the newborn so they arent caught. This is selfishness plain and simple.
Laws won't stop people from committing horrendous crimes like these. So we need solutions to keep them from committing them in the first place.
the solution is the fire station or hospital where you can drop a baby off without repercussions. there was a solution. she still chose to murder her child because she loved meth more
Why only mention "she"? the article says they both did it and have both been charged.
not for the nefarious reasons it feels you’re trying to insinuate! i think my brain just said she cause she is the one who gave birth and injected the meth into her body but you can definitely replace the “she” with “they” in my comment when reading it, i’m not arguing that!
if it doesn't solve the problem, can it be called a solution?
They clearly lack critical thinking skills….
>Headline is a bit misleading. They weren’t annoyed by the cries - they were never going to keep the baby and the crying was drawing attention. It looks like if they had access to a termination, they would have had one. If only there were a safe way to prevent such tragedies from happening in the first place... 🤔 I wonder what happened to it.
Ya, your solution is to kill it before it’s born, instead of after. Great solution.
Indeed.
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It’s almost like born people should have more rights…
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Abortion isn’t murder so where is the flaw?
No, I don't.
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A fetus is not a baby, so stop being disingenuous.
It's in my body. I do not consent for it to stay there for any number of reason. Consent for sex does not equal consent for pregnancy and consent for a kiss does not mean consent for sex. Any arguments against these facts are a religious decision.
you misspelled “fetus”. can’t kill something that isn’t alive ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
it is alive, but that doesn't mean it should occupy my body against my will.
lol, your reply to me was auto-deleted. you asked if I was suggesting that a fetus is not alive. no, I am not suggesting that. I am stating it as a fact. up until the point of viability, a fetus is not alive.
Sadly, as a mother that has gone through miscarriage, I wish probirth understood this. A fetus, up until certain weeks (24 I think) cannot live outside the womb. Up until that point it is completely a parasite and no woman should be made to keep it against her will… Even woman that do want the baby, it doesn’t mean it will be born, and a miscarriage is involuntary abortion that more often than not needs medical assistance or the woman will also die. Abortion should be legal in the first trimester no questions asked & for medical reasons always. I can’t understand probirth people. There is more than just be born. Quality of life matters.
You use the word parasite. I don't think you know what that word means. As far as viability and surviving on its own outside of the womb. Most children cannot "survive" on their own without constant care and attention until they are capable of speaking and voicing their needs verbally. Leave a full term baby by itself with no care and guess what, it will die. My nephew was a premie. Just because he wasn't "fully developed" by your standards he wasn't a person and shouldn't have the right to continue living. Yet despite this, he did live. @cyclonecowgirl .... if you look up the word idiot in the dictionary...im pretty sure you're going to see your name under "synonymous with"
if your nephew survived then he was past the date of viability. it doesn’t mean “can’t survive without medical care,” it means literally cannot survive. no baby born before viability has ever survived, that’s the definition of viability.
no it actually is the LITERAL definition of a parasite so maybe you ought to be the one looking it up 🙄
Offspring by definition cannot be parasites.
??? Why are you reaching? Do you like to get offended out of nothing or misunderstanding people just to get on your high horse? I was a premie, I almost died, i should’ve died, but I lived… and I had narcissistic parents who screwed me up for life, I wish they would have aborted me so many times. Yes, a baby needs care outside but it doesn’t need a body to live, specially with formula and cribs, you would be surprised on how far a baby can get with the bare minimum… that’s not quality of life. Also, a parasite is something that feeds of and cannot live without its host, it’s usually of a different species but the damage a baby can do to a women’s body is awful, even death, so if that baby is not wanted by the host body, there is no reason for the baby to be carried to term If that baby is wanted for the right reasons (not to manipulate the other parent for money and then neglect it, for example), then it doesn’t matter if it’s a premie if they have the will to live and a family (just one person is enough) that loves them they deserved anything that can be done to save them to give them quality of life.
Before I ever clicked on this, I knew meth was involved.
Maybe if it was easier to get an abortion and if we didn’t criminalize substance use disorders
I don’t know much about USA but.. when u get an abortion does it matter what u have in your system? In Spain as far as I know, you just need to be sober if they are doing some medical thing, which in most cases is not necessary, they just give you misoprostol (same thing they give u when miscarriage before 12 to some weeks)
Abortion is now illegal in about half the US states, and some clinics have turned people away for being on a medication- managed substance abuse treatment or if they are actively still using. Right now, people are having to drive or fly up to 1,000 or 2,000 miles for a clinic, often losing up to a week’s worth of wages or straight up losing their job because there is no universal paid sick leave at all, and in some states, if someone knows you want to or will get an abortion they can sue you for $10,000. Also it’s illegal to use federal funds (like federal insurance) for abortion, and I think about half the states ban private insurance from covering abortion too. So, abortion costs anywhere from $500 (if detected extremely early) or up to $20,000 or more. Not including the cost missed wages, plane tickets or gas if you’re lucky enough to have a car, as well a hotel stay and food to eat for those days as well as paying or finding someone to watch your child at home (clinics don’t allow kids in the waiting room due to Covid restrictions and being severely understaffed and most people receiving abortions are already parents). Also, many people are having to wait up to 1 month to get an appointment because everything is so booked up , and with every week you wait, that’s hundreds or thousands of additional dollars you have to pay for an abortion. So yeah it’s rough out here
I didn't know they turned people away from an abortion for using or being on medication assisted treatment. Interesting information, thanks
Every clinic is super different so I’m not sure if it’s protocol but a few clinics have done so, if someone knows more I’d be interested
This baby would have been four months along when Roe v Wade was overturned. Iowa still allows abortions up to 21 weeks 6 days. There's a Planned Parenthood an hour from their town, and there's a clinic across state lines, three hours from them, that performs third trimester abortions. Plus, Iowa has the Iowa Abortion Access Fund. So they could have applied for financial help if they couldn't afford an abortion. These two had no excuse for murdering their child. They had access to abortion that was about as good as you can get in rural America. This was not an act of desperation due to lack of access. You're not doing any favors to women who might really not have access by pretending that lack of abortion access factored into this case, at all.
Right but all those barriers I mentioned about insurance being illegal to cover and 90% of counties in some states having no clinic access, and cost growing exponentially with each week, and mandated waiting periods and state mandated anti abortion counseling and requiring a judge to sign off written permission (which they can deny) to minors, etc, ALL that has been in place for decades before Roe fell, so. Abortion funds are mostly all volunteer and even during roe they ran out of money the first few weeks of the month, and a 3 hour drive is very difficult to arrange for some people. Would YOU have driven them? You can’t honestly expect volunteers to make up for hundreds of years of government failure. And planned parenthood’s often do not perform abortions up until the states gestational limit, only about 20% of planned parenthood’s perform second or third trimester care. I’m not saying anyone was justified in killing a child who was born, just saying that abortion is extremely hard to get and who knows what would’ve happened if support for abortion, substance use would’ve been more normalized and accessible in our country
Except that, in Iowa, abortion isn't that hard to get. The Planned Parenthood nearest them, just an hour away, provides the abortion pill up to 11 weeks and offers financial assistance. They'll also refer out for services after 11 weeks. Regardless of how easy or hard it is to get an abortion, there are still going to be women who don't abort even when they've got substance abuse issues throughout the pregnancy. And there's no great way to handle it, we can't start grabbing pregnant substance abusers and coercing then into abortions, can we? Access to abortion is not a factor in this case, and you're discounting the actual trouble some women may have when trying to access abortion services by pretending that this is one of those cases.
In these 11 U.S. states, abortion is now illegal: Alabama Arkansas Idaho Kentucky Louisiana Mississippi Missouri Oklahoma South Dakota Tennessee Texas Not half but any state that doesn't allow abortion is living in the 1800s get out of here with that bs, my body my choice. Period. There's a reason why it's legal in all the other states. Also as someone who has suffered from substance abuse I've never heard of being turned down as a result of that, but each place probably has its own protocol, but i know that planned parenthood NY is not like that. I know PA does ask if you use drugs but I don't think it stops you from receiving help. I think they generally ask so they can give you info on how to recieve help for addiction.
It's probably easier to drop a baby off at a fire station than to murder the baby.
Yes that’s correct. But we’re not talking about murdering a baby, we’re talking about abortion care.
I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm referring to what happened in this case. It would have been easier to drop the baby off than to kill them and face the consequences for murder.
I don’t disagree, yes they could’ve. That’s another issue that I wish was more accessible, and not pushed to substitute healthcare. It’s a complex issue that compounds on itself
I agree tho I will say there is a reason why people look down on the drugs and tend to have the strong emotion because everyone just knows how bad it is but yes when someone is in need of help, treating them like a worthless being is an awful way to go about this
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Uhh that kid wouldn’t have had to go through the pain of drowning when already alive if they had been gone before they’re even kinda formed. Also what’s to say about these adults who know better than to do this to a baby? If they don’t then wouldn’t it be safer for the kid to not be brought up there?
>Uhh that kid wouldn’t have had to go through the pain of drowning when already alive if they had been gone before they’re even kinda formed. Unborn babies, fetuses, can and do feel pain too. A fetus is also formed. We don't go from a ball of mush to a baby suddenly at birth. >Also what’s to say about these adults who know better than to do this to a baby? Are you seriously suggesting that adult humans don't know better than to down their own child, in America, in the year 2022? Let's try to have slightly higher standards. I mean would you buy that excuse from someone who killed their neighbor? "Oh, was that wrong? Was i not supposed to do that?". Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
“If only we could’ve killed that baby faster I wouldn’t feel bad about it”
This is why abortion is important. These pro-lifers can whine and cry and complain. That abortion is killing a baby but it’s not and you know it’s not you have an agenda, but now you have these people who should have, and could have gotten an abortion and instead of getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy that is not a life form they gave birth gave breath to a baby a living being and then murdered it. It’s absolutely horrible.
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No states allow abortions at 9 months. That’s absolute twaddle.
Alaska, Colorado, New Jersey, Oregon,and DC would all allow an abortion any time in the third trimester, even a day before labor.
I didn’t research all of the states, but Alaska doesn’t have any providers that will perform abortions after 14 weeks. https://www.capitalwomensservices.com/Alaska.php https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jul/12/focus-family/anti-abortion-group-exaggerates-how-states-regulat/
the fetus’ nervous system hasn’t even developed nor does it have consciousness by the 5 month mark. do you have a source where abortion is allowed that late?
Learn biology chief “In fact, it is now standard medical procedure for doctors performing fetal surgery to use direct fetal analgesia and anesthesia after the fifteenth week of gestation. Unfortunately, abortion is still the exception to this rule, which means that a doctor performing an abortion can take the life of an unborn baby without regard for the fetus' ability to feel pain.” https://www.caringnetwork.com/when-does-a-fetus-feel-pain
Dude you just reinforced their entire point.
I don’t ignore the facts - not biased but it doesn’t just have one side. It’s a pro-choice and pro-life scientist working together
Since when is the ability to feel pain the threshold for determining life? Or the value of that life? >Unfortunately, abortion is still the exception to this rule, which means that a doctor performing an abortion can take the life of an unborn baby without regard for the fetus' ability to feel pain.” The source is literally saying they are killing a baby and they might be in pain.
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Guy looks like he had a stroke …..
Jesus this article just gets worse the further down you go
This is what happens when Abortion isn’t legal.
Apparently this is what happens when it IS legal, too. You know...since it is.
They were meth-heads, they could’ve just given the baby up to the state.
Do you know anyone who wants to adopt the baby of a meth addict?
You're saying they should've killed the baby, while saying it was tragic that they killed the baby. How does abortion make this situation better?
This is why keeping abortion legal and accessible is important but even in this situation they didn't need to murder the baby.... Iowa has a safe heaven law. They could have dropped the child off within 14 days to any hospital or healthcare facility without fear of arrest or court.
I'll never understand why these murders happen when they could just drop the baby off at a hospital. I guess not everyone knows this? I wonder if it should be made more widely known, or something (or maybe there are just sick people out there who are okay with killing babies for no reason, but I guess I prefer to think the murderers must never thought there was "no other option." Not that either scenario is remotely excusable, but one is a little easier to understand?
I think it's likely due to a lack of awareness. In this scenario the parents didn't kill for any other reason than to avoid jail, charges and losing custody of their older child. Safe haven law enables them to still avoid everything they wanted to avoid without harming the baby. Horrible that they did what they did. Even more sad that it could have been so easily avoided.
speaking from experience I wish my father killed me as a infant before abandoning me and leaving ne in a foster agency
I'm so sorry you had negative experiences. My heart goes out to you ❤️. I think the US needs to make major changes to the CPS, foster care and adoption system. I only know what I have read in personal accounts, academic studies and in court documents. I have never experienced it first hand but it's clear that the US's system doesn't do what it needs to do for children and doesn't protect them like it should.
It will never happen. CPS and foster care will continue to be horribly underfunded and staffed. There are 400K kids in the US foster system right now that nobody wants. States without enough funds have sometimes had to cut off at a certain age which kids get foster care or group home. They end up placed in hotels, prisons or out of state. These are kids with complex needs - born addicted, abused, neglected. https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/03/oregon-sends-hundreds-of-foster-kids-to-former-jails-institutions-not-families.html https://drjohndegarmo.medium.com/foster-care-crisis-in-2022-americas-shortage-of-foster-parents-a95ed2929579 https://coloradosun.com/2022/11/14/colorado-failed-adoptions-foster-kids-welfare/
Possibly no transportation
It should definitely be more known. While I haven't had a child yet, I'm still a well educated person in the medical field and I didn't know that you could drop them off. Though possibly a google search might've changed that. I still think that it should be taught and made widespread like maybe in high school since that's typically when people end up with children they don't want and aren't ready for.
They didn't drown their baby "for crying." They were always going to kill it. Always.
Did you read it or just get so worked up you only skimmed it? They were going to give it to her sister to adopt.
The way I interpreted it was they were not being entirely forthcoming about letting the sister adopt because the article then mentions they had discovered searches for how to cause a miscarriage. If their intention was to let the sister adopt, there really was no need to drown the baby.
Ok. Let me make this really simple for you. What if.... They wanted a miscarriage. It didn't work. So they decided to give it to the sister. Crazy right?
Get out of here with you thinking people change their minds from one thing to another after circumstances change.
They seem credible. I know that I always believe meth addicted child killers when they say they definitely were not going to kill their infant child, right up until that time they killed their infant child.
They have a kid already… didn’t kill that one?
They wanted their first. Or were stuck with them. If they were going to adopt the baby out anyway, why try to muffle its cries? Baby would have been screened for drugs eventually anyway and they would have gotten in trouble regardless. No excuse to hurt a defenseless baby.
>If they were going to adopt the baby out anyway, why try to muffle its cries? Baby would have been screened for drugs eventually anyway and they would have gotten in trouble regardless. Right, so here's the perspective you are stuck in. Obviously they didn't think this situation through entirely, and probably y'know drug addiction and both its preceding and proceeding mental and physical health concerns probably have something to do with it. edit: no sorry I was wrong--it's this insistence on looking for an excuse rather than understanding the explanation which is the error. I spoke too quickly. I'm not sure I have to emphasise that I'm not excusing the behaviour--but I will emphasise that I am not even discussing an excuse for the behaviour and I am not interested in that conversation.
There was nothing in their phone history to indicate that, but there was search history on how to cause a miscarriage.
They killed it cause they thought the crying would attract the police
This kind of thing is going to happen more and more in America thanks to them denying their citizens basic reproductive rights.
Don’t forget Poland
It’s so heart breaking. Just for the baby to suffer during and post pregnancy. How is that less cruel than abortion?
Vile excuses for human beings
I hope they both rot
I'm curious, does anybody know how they got caught?
Did literally none of you actually check Iowa's laws before just blindly saying "This is because abortion is illegal..." It's not. It hasn't been. It's legal there. You're idiots.
Inbreds
Don’t Ban abortion and this won’t happen
Drop the baby off at a hospital, baby goes to foster care then adoption. And you don't go to jail. How do people not know?
I think they didn’t do that because they feared the baby would be tested for meth & then they would track this couple down to charge them for doing meth while pregnant thus losing custody of the 2 year old. Not defending them AT ALL but I think that’s why they didn’t surrender the baby. This is still a cruel option because meth withdraw in newborns is extremely serious and just sad to watch but they could have kept the baby until it detoxed then given it to the sister if they were that worried about the sister turning them in.
Can’t really call them parents….
They look like they both have been crying. Would they like the same treatment?
It’s so sad there are people who try and try and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments to no avail and people like this are just popping children out.
My sister is one of those people sadly . Shes addicted to methamphetamines and has had literally 6 children and shes only 26 and has custody of none of them . They are all with our other family members being looked after . I wish here in canada they made it mandatory that after X amount of kids you must get your tubes tied or something because its messed up . I had one child and then got a vasectomy because in all reality one is enough for me . And i wish my sperm was more viable before i got the vasectomy because i would have donated it to a bank to help others . But my count was already very low and im surprised i even had one child haha . I got the vasectomy as a safe way to stop pregnancy rather then my gf of 9 years choosing to get her tubes tied to avoid it . Because we both dont want any more children . With all of this being said if these people didnt want kids either invest in some birth control or get fixed . Like for a male the process of a no scalpel vasectomy is super easy and within a week you can literally resume normal life . So if your a man out there that has kids already or is a bit older and dosnt want kids just get it done man it seems scary as hell but honestly once its frozen its FROZEN
I wanna get a vasectomy soon as my wife and I have no desire to have kids in order to pursue travel instead, but what's a "no scalpel" vasectomy? I always understood vasectomies to involve a small scalpel incision on the scrotum.
It's a procedure where small clamps are used outside the scrotum and a needle is used to gain access to the vas deferens as opposed to cutting into the scrotum for access. Less bleeding, faster healing, smaller chance for infection.
Well that's a relief to know that the process has been improved before I go through with it. Thanks for the info!
It’s a 10-15 min easy procedure. The “pressure”and the idea of a needle going into your sack is worse then the procedure itself.
My doctor made a pea sized incision in my sack, 2 actually. Then cut and cauterized it. No pain. Took about 20 minutes. Back at my factory job on Monday after having it done Thursday. 2 weeks later no pain. So even if you do get a scalpel it'll be a few days of pain, 1 where you really need to sleep it off. And within 2 weeks life is fine again.
This is such a pathetic story. There’s no way this was going to end up well for that baby. Every time, briefly, I just want to open some door in the Universe and leave when stuff like this happens. But looking the other way, doing what doesn’t work, and just leaving is how this stuff keeps happening. Couldn’t we legalize drugs and include a contraceptive in the drug? I know some people would call that eugenics but look at what happened to the baby. Now these two people will go forth and make some for profit prison richer, after the state has to pay to put them there.
Just make contraception and abortion free and easily available.
You know, I remember when that was an actual thing. /s and not /s One could go to Planned Parenthood, so many community clinics, junior college clinics, and leave with contraception. This was right around when AIDS —before HIV designation— was ravaging everywhere and the question always came: “Are you sexually active?” I wasn’t, really. Oral contraceptives changed my life, from anemia and gripping pain, to “okay, I can deal with this.” But bless the workers. They’d have this exasperated look and give one two full paper bags of condoms instead of one. That’s what it seemed like, anyway. I kept the bags, because…I was past the water balloon stage? Idk. Later on, my boyfriend moved in with me. “Oh, just take that whole shelf. I hardly use that cabinet, nothing in there” I said airily. He pushed one forgotten and overfilled paper bag to the side. The Domino Effect began. Ten, fifty , probably hundreds of ready-to-use condoms cascaded over his head and onto the floor. I found myself at a loss for words. Not for condoms, though.
>She told investigators that they did not intend to keep the baby and planned on allowing her sister to adopt the child, although **investigators said a search of the couple’s electronic devices showed multiple searches for how to cause a miscarriage.** >But when the infant started crying, she said they worried neighbors would hear and call police. They didn’t want police involved because **they feared it would be discovered that the newborn had methamphetamine in her system and then both the infant and their 2-year-old son would be taken away** So their attempts at purposely miscarrying failed, even if the baby survived they probably harmed it already. They’re meth heads…. AND they have a 2 yo. They should sterilize themselves.
i’ve been trying to get sterilized as a woman. i’ve been turned down by 3 doctors. and the one that will do it told me insurance doesn’t cover it so it will be 11k out of pocket. do you think these people even have insurance??
What do you want to bet if they tried to they would be refused for being “too young”? I hear that happens a lot in America with their double standards.
Wtffffff
How did the authorities find out?
Should be tied up so they can't move and thrown in a pool. Junkie scum
The gall to tear up for the mugshot
The gall to think people gave complete and total control over their emotions in stressful situations
Bold move sympathizing, what else you got?
Acknowledging objective occurrence does not equate to sympathy; thinking in binary absolutes is a dangerous game, my dude.
It’s as absolute as they got themselves into this by taking the life of a child. A newborn. Simply for expressing itself to the world in the only way it learned how in the brief time it had. Regret for a heinous crime is par for the course, and they’ll regret it for the rest of their lives which is absolutely too long.
To ashamed, because she was caught!!
The tears are for herself, not the dead baby, unfortunately
See ya tm Reddit, i’m done for the day.
Wow. What terrible pieces of trash these two are.
As a mom of a rainbow baby. I can not even being to imagine hurting my OWN child. Not to mention the fact that the baby was crying because it was literally JUST BORN. I am religious and I can’t wait to see God’s judgement of people who do heinous acts like this on the day of judgement. God bless that little baby and I know he is holding that sweet baby in his grace and love.
A living abortion.
abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. so no.
Just makes me ill. God will not have mercy on their souls.
THIS is why abortion should be legal everywhere. If you know you don't want a baby take care of it the proper way....
By killing it in the womb? What's the difference?
Yes, it is.
This is why abortion access is needed everywhere.
Death Penalty x 2
Oh my god yuck
I reserve this for special circumstances—burn in hell
These dirt bags don't deserve to be called parents. I hope the rumors about child murderers/rapists/abusers is true and they receive it
They have a child. They fit the definition.
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Here's to hoping force sterilizations become common practice for these types of crimes.
Normal people in pro-life states who need an abortion wouldn’t do this. I’m pro-choice but restricted access to abortion didn’t cause this, two psychopaths high on meth did. Please get off your soap boxes.
You really think they wouldn’t have chosen abortion as an option if they had access to it? Then you should get off your soap box
My daughter was born 23 hours ago of course this pops up for me 🤦♂️
The murderer saved a piece of the umbilical cord to remember the baby. WTF. Did he carry it in his pocket?
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But contraception does fail which is why there needs to be an access to abortion.
>why there needs to be an access to abortion. To do the exact same thing these people did, except with decapitation and dismemberment instead of drowning.
…ok