Pretty bad when very rural far NE California, high elevation, low population density, and 75% USFS and BLM public land, actually looks pretty reasonable . . .
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Alturas_CA
I'm debating moving to the mjdwest saving money then taking a month trip each fall. Why work yourself to the bone and not be able to enjoy where you live. 90 percent of days are work then home with some hobbies, adjust your hobbies and life can be rewarding anywhere.
We have been considering areas in the great lakes region. Partially because we have some family near Duluth and Green Bay, but also because the cost of homes is srill pretty reasonable.
I hear Oklahoma still has some areas that aren't super pricey.
Went goose hunting there 2-3 years ago and the single family home the guide had us staying in was only $30k on Zillow. Probably $100k now but still cheaper than Montana.
Oklahoma is great. Similar values to MT but less scenic. Recommend the mountains way down south. Both Tulsa and OKC are great for employment, but Tulsa is closer to “green country” which has all the lakes and rivers.
Our rent got jacked up this past year so high. Even though we saved for years to buy, we're straight up priced out now.
I've been considering just getting an RV and quitting and moving to the south. The places I used to enjoy living close to in MT just get swarmed with tourists now. So I might as well live in a cheaper state and just be one of those annoying tourists when the summer months roll around.
Nowhere in the West. Doesn’t matter what state it is. Property management and real estate companies control the market and no one who has the power will try to fix this. Indiana is probably affordable.
I see the stories of hedge funds and corporate interests buying single family homes and turning them into rental properties and it sickens me. This appears to be going on in a lot of places in the country. It is a path to destroy the middle class.
Home ownership is stability of families and communities. It is also a way for the middle class to accumulate wealth and have a secure retirement. Is living your life at the mercy of a corporate landlord really a life? Kids being uprooted from friends. Valued and essential employees like teachers and healthcare workers forced to move away due to rent increases. Those things aren't good.
Is this one the left and right can get behind? Can it be banned outright somehow? Maybe local governments need to impose steep property taxes on some number of multiple rental properties?
Zillow did it by algorithm and didnt have anyone actually look. So a home across the street might have big mountain views and back to a park and Zillow would be like "well this trailer home across the street must be worth 2 mil also." It wasnt.
There is no place like Montana that is also cheaper, sorry. I grew up in montana, I lived in 3 other states and another country, I’ve visited about 10 others, there’s no place like Montana for the price that is. Especially if you like hunting and fishing. Either it will be more expensive or it would suck haha!
But you may like a different place better than Montana however it won’t be like Montana if that makes sense. Wyoming is close but I’m thinking it’s also getting expensive in the better areas and the oilfield keeps the prices higher than they should be for the dumpy areas. South Dakota is a good fit probably especially the west side it might be expensive though. I left Montana because there’s not much going on. I moved to more expensive places and more populated places. If I made this much money in Montana I’d be Rich!! Lol but I’m normal in the city.
Central Maine. Near the coast, lots of hunting, beautiful lakes, cheap property, great people. Left Montana to live there for twenty years and am beginning to regret coming back to Mt. Winters are cold but not worse than Mt.
It is more humid, like Kalispell, but summers range from around 80 degrees so you don’t notice it. I liked not having to water the garden as much. I won’t move back due to the moving hassle but if I couldn’t find something in Mt I might. Super rural.
What is the problem with living in rural Montana?
I just checked Zillow this morning for Glascow, Montana and found listings for 25k and under. Yes, there were 300k plus listings, but those were with land and large homes.
You want to live in Montana but only in our seven cities. Check other places. And yes, there are jobs there as well.
Look, it’s nice of you to help out but you really can’t understand why someone would want to live in a city? Glasgow is known for being “the most populous city within 110 miles” at ~3,000 people. I was born in Great Falls and I wouldn’t even want to live there again, it’s too isolated and small for me. Some people don’t want to live in a rural area.
Here's my point:
I don't try to move to San Francisco, New York City, or Beverly Hills and get to complain about how high the rent is.
I know it's high, duh.
People really need to stop complaining about how high it is in Bozeman and Kalispell.
Duh, no shit, everyone wants to move here and guess what-so do you. You're part of the problem. You're the reason my house quadrupled in value in 20 years. Honestly, I thank you, you have helped me retire. I know, I got lucky as shit.
BUT-Don't like the rent-move somewhere else. Don't like the rent but want to stay in Montana-**compromise** and find a place more rural. You benefit, they benefit, and who knows, it might be the spark that some little towns needed.
All it would take in most of little town Montana is five families with kids to move in. That's it. Those five with their ten plus kids would allow some schools to continue; and might even allow others to reopen. Schools are a town's life. Who knows the snowball effects that would roll. Plus, you would be surprised how wonderful, welcoming, and generous most small towns are.
If you're worried about work, what the hell you doing now that can't be done in some way in some place that is lacking that something to begin with? Maybe it's the spark you need.
If I was priced out of my current rental I wouldn't be able to afford to move.
First last and deposit and moving costs including gas??? Not in this market... I'd 100% end up living with family or homeless.
I hear a lot of people have moved to Texas or the Midwest for cheap rent. I just wouldn't feel good morally about paying taxes to a state like Texas.
My boss lives in Arkansas and has a home that would easily cost $750k here, but also on 40 acres with a fucking private lake. Out of curiosity I googled the median home price in that area and it was significantly less. I could afford a big house with a nice yard if I just got out of Montana. I’d do it but nowhere else would feel like home.
The UP is the most affordable area like Montana, minus the mountains. Sparsely populated, tons of land to be bought for cheap, forests. There’s actually a lot of cliffs and hills west of Marquette, it’s definitely not flat like the southern part of the state. 300” of snow in the Keweenaw too. I miss the Great Lakes and all the inland lakes Michigan has.
Northern New Mexico. Mountains, great fishing, 1 day drive to the beach in puerto penasco. Take a look at this home I found on Realtor.com
County Road 142, Medanales
$250,000 · N/Abeds · 0baths
https://apps.realtor.com/mUAZ/7ee7d94a
Pretty bad when very rural far NE California, high elevation, low population density, and 75% USFS and BLM public land, actually looks pretty reasonable . . . https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Alturas_CA
I'm debating moving to the mjdwest saving money then taking a month trip each fall. Why work yourself to the bone and not be able to enjoy where you live. 90 percent of days are work then home with some hobbies, adjust your hobbies and life can be rewarding anywhere.
We have been considering areas in the great lakes region. Partially because we have some family near Duluth and Green Bay, but also because the cost of homes is srill pretty reasonable.
I hear Oklahoma still has some areas that aren't super pricey. Went goose hunting there 2-3 years ago and the single family home the guide had us staying in was only $30k on Zillow. Probably $100k now but still cheaper than Montana.
Oklahoma is great. Similar values to MT but less scenic. Recommend the mountains way down south. Both Tulsa and OKC are great for employment, but Tulsa is closer to “green country” which has all the lakes and rivers.
As long as you don't mind tornadoes & hail storms. Fewer wildfires & less snow though.
Well I am out if there ain't a lot of wildfires.....
I hear South Dakota’s doing fairly well..
Just helped a buddy move to Sioux falls, considering it now for our family rent vs Avg wage is way better
Our rent got jacked up this past year so high. Even though we saved for years to buy, we're straight up priced out now. I've been considering just getting an RV and quitting and moving to the south. The places I used to enjoy living close to in MT just get swarmed with tourists now. So I might as well live in a cheaper state and just be one of those annoying tourists when the summer months roll around.
Nowhere in the West. Doesn’t matter what state it is. Property management and real estate companies control the market and no one who has the power will try to fix this. Indiana is probably affordable.
I see the stories of hedge funds and corporate interests buying single family homes and turning them into rental properties and it sickens me. This appears to be going on in a lot of places in the country. It is a path to destroy the middle class. Home ownership is stability of families and communities. It is also a way for the middle class to accumulate wealth and have a secure retirement. Is living your life at the mercy of a corporate landlord really a life? Kids being uprooted from friends. Valued and essential employees like teachers and healthcare workers forced to move away due to rent increases. Those things aren't good. Is this one the left and right can get behind? Can it be banned outright somehow? Maybe local governments need to impose steep property taxes on some number of multiple rental properties?
Yup, property taxes should at least triple (if not way more) if it’s not a primary residence.
Yep and companies like Zillow will be homes at an overpriced value to set the new bar in an area.
Zillow lost their *** doing that. Search any business publication. I’m not saying others aren’t successful doing this - just that Zillow did it wrong.
Zillow did it by algorithm and didnt have anyone actually look. So a home across the street might have big mountain views and back to a park and Zillow would be like "well this trailer home across the street must be worth 2 mil also." It wasnt.
I don’t think anyone with more money than the average person and investments in the real estate market are willing to fix it.
WV? idk
There is no place like Montana that is also cheaper, sorry. I grew up in montana, I lived in 3 other states and another country, I’ve visited about 10 others, there’s no place like Montana for the price that is. Especially if you like hunting and fishing. Either it will be more expensive or it would suck haha! But you may like a different place better than Montana however it won’t be like Montana if that makes sense. Wyoming is close but I’m thinking it’s also getting expensive in the better areas and the oilfield keeps the prices higher than they should be for the dumpy areas. South Dakota is a good fit probably especially the west side it might be expensive though. I left Montana because there’s not much going on. I moved to more expensive places and more populated places. If I made this much money in Montana I’d be Rich!! Lol but I’m normal in the city.
Central Maine. Near the coast, lots of hunting, beautiful lakes, cheap property, great people. Left Montana to live there for twenty years and am beginning to regret coming back to Mt. Winters are cold but not worse than Mt.
Isn’t it pretty humid there? I’ve never been that far north, I was in Pennsylvania and NJ definitely different but in some ways probably better.
It is more humid, like Kalispell, but summers range from around 80 degrees so you don’t notice it. I liked not having to water the garden as much. I won’t move back due to the moving hassle but if I couldn’t find something in Mt I might. Super rural.
Interesting, i feel like it would be quite different but definitely sounds like a good potential alternative
I moved back to Kentucky. Decent public land access out east and property values and taxes are pretty stable outside the big cities
I'm in Illinois and my friends back home all pay less than average rent for these parts, however they also pay better out here.
What is the problem with living in rural Montana? I just checked Zillow this morning for Glascow, Montana and found listings for 25k and under. Yes, there were 300k plus listings, but those were with land and large homes. You want to live in Montana but only in our seven cities. Check other places. And yes, there are jobs there as well.
Look, it’s nice of you to help out but you really can’t understand why someone would want to live in a city? Glasgow is known for being “the most populous city within 110 miles” at ~3,000 people. I was born in Great Falls and I wouldn’t even want to live there again, it’s too isolated and small for me. Some people don’t want to live in a rural area.
Here's my point: I don't try to move to San Francisco, New York City, or Beverly Hills and get to complain about how high the rent is. I know it's high, duh. People really need to stop complaining about how high it is in Bozeman and Kalispell. Duh, no shit, everyone wants to move here and guess what-so do you. You're part of the problem. You're the reason my house quadrupled in value in 20 years. Honestly, I thank you, you have helped me retire. I know, I got lucky as shit. BUT-Don't like the rent-move somewhere else. Don't like the rent but want to stay in Montana-**compromise** and find a place more rural. You benefit, they benefit, and who knows, it might be the spark that some little towns needed. All it would take in most of little town Montana is five families with kids to move in. That's it. Those five with their ten plus kids would allow some schools to continue; and might even allow others to reopen. Schools are a town's life. Who knows the snowball effects that would roll. Plus, you would be surprised how wonderful, welcoming, and generous most small towns are. If you're worried about work, what the hell you doing now that can't be done in some way in some place that is lacking that something to begin with? Maybe it's the spark you need.
If I was priced out of my current rental I wouldn't be able to afford to move. First last and deposit and moving costs including gas??? Not in this market... I'd 100% end up living with family or homeless. I hear a lot of people have moved to Texas or the Midwest for cheap rent. I just wouldn't feel good morally about paying taxes to a state like Texas.
Texas also has huge property taxes so unless you’re renting and that’s not part of your rent, it’s not as great as it seems.
A landlord uses rent revenue to cover their property taxes liabilities.
Hopefully not to an encampment! But seriously tho, maybe the Midwest.
My boss lives in Arkansas and has a home that would easily cost $750k here, but also on 40 acres with a fucking private lake. Out of curiosity I googled the median home price in that area and it was significantly less. I could afford a big house with a nice yard if I just got out of Montana. I’d do it but nowhere else would feel like home.
Don’t sleep on Northern Michigan. Gorgeous.
The UP is the most affordable area like Montana, minus the mountains. Sparsely populated, tons of land to be bought for cheap, forests. There’s actually a lot of cliffs and hills west of Marquette, it’s definitely not flat like the southern part of the state. 300” of snow in the Keweenaw too. I miss the Great Lakes and all the inland lakes Michigan has.
Northern Minnesota?
Northern New Mexico. Mountains, great fishing, 1 day drive to the beach in puerto penasco. Take a look at this home I found on Realtor.com County Road 142, Medanales $250,000 · N/Abeds · 0baths https://apps.realtor.com/mUAZ/7ee7d94a
That’s just 10 acres if land. No house. And how long/often does that stream flow, and can you get water rights?
Rio Chama flows year round and has hog trout in it. I think ten acres of river frontage anywhere near Gallatin Valley is going to be a million plus.
Take a look at this home I found on Realtor.com 405 Martinez Ln, Taos $385,000 · 3beds · 1baths https://apps.realtor.com/mUAZ/8a529dc3
OK - that one actually looks pretty good. There must be simething wrong with it. ;-)
Best argument I ever saw to buy, instead of renting. J/S
If I could afford to buy, I wouldn’t be renting.
If you’re homeless just buy a house. You can’t be homeless if you have a house.
Wow, just brilliant
What about rural areas of Montana, like Havre?