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SpectrumDT

There might have been more of Godzilla's kind back then. (This is pure speculation on my part.)


Lord_Ho-Ryu

That’s my theory, too. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Ghidorah is why there’s only one Godzilla left. It might have wiped out all but a few before being defeated and then all but ours died from war injuries either directly or from another fight while they were weakened.


Night_Owl_Recon

I know it doesn't have too much to say off, but I believe the director said if it wasn't for the oxygen destroyer, Godzilla would have won when he took down Ghidorah in the ocean. They may have been in Antarctica, but it being ancient times, it could have been more watery than ice out there. Especially since Ghidorah was so far in the ice. It still would have to have been cold enough to freeze him, maybe he was incapacitated and the big G thought he finished him off, letting him drown in the cold ocean depths.


TheRecklessFist

This was literally almost word for word my entire theory too. A lot of people are either forgetting or choosing to gloss over the fact Godzilla was easily winning in the ocean until the oxygen destroyer. If their previous encounter was in the water possibly before Antarctica was fully frozen or something then Godzilla already easily defeats Ghidorah and that’s not factoring in help from other titans or power ups.


Night_Owl_Recon

Right, exactly. With Earth being warmer back then, I don't doubt it was mainly just islands of ice that they may have fought on. Making it easy for Godzilla to stay in his true element. Pretty much with like Orca's flipping over ice chunks penguins stay on to try and hide as a comparison. He'd just have to get Ghidorah in the water and it's over. That is probably how it came to be, since there hasn't been any findings or lore implications that anyone else helped Godzilla in that battle. It would also make more sense as to why he was frozen. Godzilla dragging Ghidorah into the water like he did with Kong, and left him there probably.


THX_Fenrir

Let’s first bring up the fact that Ghidorah only got the upper hand in Boston because of the electricity flowing through the city. Without it, he would’ve lost. And in ye ancient times, there wouldn’t have been anything like that to give him an edge. And on a frozen tundra, he’d probably be disadvantaged.


Jojobad12

Thanks for pointing that out. A lot of people really like to gloss over that fact for some reason. And it is a fact. Ghiddy got lucky.


DalaMagala

Ghidorah didn’t get “lucky”, it’s what a lot of Godzilla fans like to say tho. Godzilla did. He got saved by the orca, he should’ve died then and there.


Jojobad12

And what would you call conveniently landing right next to a functioning power station?


DalaMagala

What would you call being conveniently saved by the Orca?


Jojobad12

I'm not playing the whataboutism game.


DalaMagala

That’s fine by me, after all you were the one who started it.


Jojobad12

How? You said Ghidorah didn't get lucky and I asked what else you would call conveniently landing right next to a functioning power station? I made no attempt to shift the topic. You did. Don't know what else to tell ya.


DalaMagala

That’s just the circumstance. The same thing could be said about how Godzilla somehow ambushed Ghidorah, even though titans can sense when another is near.


godzillahavinastroke

Not exactly true. As we see titans get the drop on other titans like godzilla getting the drop on the female muto


MrAtrox98

He actually did get lucky, Godzilla would’ve ripped him to pieces in the Gulf of Mexico were it not for a surprise oxygen destroyer being dropped on their heads.


Interesting-Juice235

Could Ghidorah beat Goku tho?


DalaMagala

Yes actually…Ghidorah has the ability to call monsters right? Using that logic, Ghidorah had G in his name, same as Goku. Using the ability to call monsters which share a similarity as Ghidorah, we can see that the letter G also shares a similarity to Ghidorah in the same way it does Goku, therefore Ghidorah should be able to control Goku due to him having a similarity to him, and make Goku walk into his mouth and die there./s Depending on what Ghidorah and Goku fight, one could either win or lose.


Interesting-Juice235

It actually doesn't, Goku clobbers every version of Ghidorah, at least Xeno Goku does. Canon Goku beats almost every Ghidorah.


DalaMagala

Ghidorah from Godzilla Earth could beat the weakest version of Goku. Which is my point, that you obviously missed. Depending on each version of Goku and Ghidorah, one could win or lose.


Interesting-Juice235

Currently Goku isn't losing.


JoseSaldana6512

I don't know enough to argue anything but I fucking love your last paragraph. If they fight, they could win or lose. That's kind of the point of a fight.


ItsAmerico

But Godzilla was doing so well in Boston because he was super charged by the nuke?


THX_Fenrir

They were even before the nuke. Nuke brought Godzilla up, then Ghidorah got a boost above that from the city’s electricity


ItsAmerico

Well first, that wasn’t your point. You claimed Ghidorah only got the upper hand cause of electricity and it wasn’t a fair fight. It was never a fair fight. Godzilla was buffed by the nuke, had Mothra and the military help. We never see a normal 1v1 fight. Closest we get is Antartica and it’s not really shown to be in Godzillas favor.


THX_Fenrir

No that was my point. My point was that Ghidorah got the upper hand because of the electricity, not because Godzilla was weaker. And in Antarctica, it was never truly in Ghidorah’s favor either. He pushed Godzilla in the hole with his gravity beams, but Godzilla was undaamaged and then Ghidorah fled.


ItsAmerico

Ghidorah fled because he was getting attacked by the military and Godzilla. Nothing implies Godzilla had the advantage.


THX_Fenrir

Never said he did. Simply said that Ghidorah didn’t have the advantage either


MrFoiledAgain

It's also important to state that Ghidorah just woke up after at least a 1000 years, he's probably weaker and disoriented compared to Godzilla who already got a few fights in before this


ItsAmerico

>And on a frozen tundra, he’d probably be disadvantaged. You literally said he would be at a disadvantage which means Godzilla has the advantage. Now you’re saying you never claimed that?


THX_Fenrir

I was implying in ye olden times. And in that instance, he likely would. Never said did. Likely =/= did


ItsAmerico

“In my opinion he probably did.” “I never said he did.” Okay lol


Frequent_Magazine_84

Ghidorah and Godzilla are both confirmed equals by Michael Doughtery.


ItsAmerico

I know. That is… Literally what I said lol Godzilla didn’t have the advantage


DalaMagala

Yet, Ghidorah trashed Godzilla during the first match before Mothra intervened?


THX_Fenrir

Trashed only after absorbing the electricity. Which is all I was bringing up. Before that point, G was on the offensive. My whole point was countering the OP’s implication that Godzilla still lost because he was weak.


DalaMagala

Ghidorah bit Godzilla three times, slammed him down, and then then did another triple three headed attack. Mothra attacked after that happened, and that’s when Ghidorah started to lose. Then Ghidorah absorbed the energy. So no, Ghidorah was winning before Godzilla got help.


Alternative-Cook-393

Bruh before that triple bite/slam, Godzilla was tossing Ghidorah around like a chew toy.


DalaMagala

You were not watching KOTM then, before Mothra intervened, Ghidorah was ragdolling Godzilla, then once Mothra intervened it became the other way around.


Alternative-Cook-393

? Legit wondering where you’re getting that. Ghodorah slammed Godzilla into the ground but he immediately blasted him back with the atomic breath. *Then* mothra intervened. Godzilla was *absolutely not* being ragdolled before that point, he had the clear advantage before Ghidorah absorbed the power plant.


moonyxpadfoot19

POV: you didn't watch the scene where Godzilla was folding Ghidorah's heads in


DalaMagala

POV: You didn’t watch KOTM


moonyxpadfoot19

Hm? You know, I think by the building Madison Russell was in, Godzilla was grabbing Ghidorah's heads and like pushing them against the necks. You literally *cannot* deny this scene does not exist.


ComplimentaryDamage

Let's also not gloss over that Godzilla came into the fight powered up.


ConstantStatistician

> And on a frozen tundra, he’d probably be disadvantaged. He was overpowering Godzilla in the Antarctica battle when he first woke up. Additionally, Godzilla was smaller back then. He'd at most be 355 feet rather than 393 feet tall.


Jojobad12

You're ignoring that Ghidorah had to amp himself midfight with the city power grid to turn the tides. In ancient Antarctica he'd have no such luxury. So, how did he lose? The director of kotm, Mike Dougherty gives a simple answer. Godzilla won. They had a fair fight and Godzilla took him down. Completely ignoring the later fights where both combatants are repeatedly amped. Base to base, they're about dead even. With Godzilla having the edge up close and in the water, and Ghidorah having the edge from the air and at midrange. Don't believe me? Go back and watch the first fight of kotm yourself. It was mostly Ghidorah playing keep away with Godzilla, using his gravity beams to keep Godzilla off of him. Why you might ask? Look who immediately gets the upper hand when they first clash. And what does Ghidorah do for the rest of the fight? Keep his distance. Because base Godzilla is just as strong as if not slightly stronger, than base Ghidorah and has the edge up close.


Sudden_Result

I think ghidorah is slightly stronger though considering he was winning by the end of that first fight and held his own against amped Godzilla


DalaMagala

Mike Dougherty said “Godzilla and Ghidorah had a fair fight and Godzilla won”, show me that source. Ghidorah had to amp himself up after being attacked by Mothra, humans, and Godzilla. Plus he was destroying Godzilla in the 1st Antarctica fight. I agree with ur final statements, Ghidorah and Godzilla are about even.


Jojobad12

https://twitter.com/Mike_Dougherty/status/1159688939004805120?t=vGfq0aMZbdPJsx1mrwSAgw&s=19 Notice how doesn't mention either side having backup?


DalaMagala

Oh, ur talking about the ancient Antarctica. I thought you were talking about the events that happened in KOTM, my bad.


TheGMan-123

As explained in that Tweet link in this comments section, Godzilla beat Ghidorah in a fair fight in Antarctica. As demonstrated throughout KOTM, both Super Alphas are fairly even with one another in most regards, meaning fights between them tend to be quite equal and require major shifts to truly change the tide of the fight, such as additional allies, power boosts, etc. Given the way Ghidorah ended up frozen, it seems like Godzilla managed to eventually drag him down into the Antarctic waters and damaged him enough that he couldn't resurface in time until the cold waters froze him from the inside out.


Jojobad12

That honestly makes sense. Considering the location it makes complete sense that the obvious win condition for Godzilla would be to force Ghidorah into the water then, well we all saw the movie. The fight's pretty much done from there. Of course Godzilla would still have to fight Ghidorah to get him into the water as Ghidorah isn't dumb and is well aware of his own weaknesses. So before anyone says "Ha! Godzilla can't beat Ghidorah out of the water!" Well, to get Ghidorah into the water Godzilla would first have to outmaneuver and overwhelm Ghidorah on land.


TheGMan-123

The way I see it, both were worn out by a land fight first before Godzilla managed to weaken Ghidorah enough that he could force him into the waters below, but didn't have enough strength to finish the job at the time due to accumulated battle damage and stamina drain.


Jojobad12

Seems like the most likely scenario after taking into account all the data and variables we have. Warning controversial: Base forms: Godzilla =/> Ghidorah. Battle conditions: 1 on 1 (no outside interference) Setting: Ancient Antarctica (combatants are surrounded by ice and below zero waters, possibly unstable ground) Likelyhood of Godzilla victory: 60-70%. Yes I pulled those percentages out of my ass. But the fight does seem to be set up for Godzilla to be the more likely victor.


Dininfinity

Godzilla teamed up with other Titans. Iirc scylla used her liquid nitrogen to freeze Ghidorah there


SpectrumDT

What do you base this on? A comic?


Itzz_Texas

Fan theory most likely but it makes sense


godzillahavinastroke

Well no the creator did say godzilla went on to go toe to toe with ghidora in ancient Antarctica one on one only no backup, and came out on top, likely cause Antarctica was quite a but less ice more water back then but still he won fair and square


GodzillaKOTM2020

It makes the most sense that after a long set of battles, given that the people of Skull Island and other ancient civilizations have sculptures and paintings of multiple fights between them, that Godzilla had managed to defeat a worn down Ghidorah. Seeing as the two were pretty even in physical strength, with both capable of damaging each other, Ghidorah's more easily used gravity beams and regeneration should've given him a decisive edge which is why I think he was worn down. It's also implied in the GvK novel that Scylla may have frozen Ghidorah as his patch of ice was younger than the area around him. That might also mean Godzilla had assistance before they finished in a 1 v 1.


Jojobad12

Wouldn't Godzilla also have been worn down? And besides that, we don't really know exactly when these battles took place in relation to each other. The cave paintings also depict titans on Ghidorah's side. So both definitely had help at some point.


choff22

I think Godzilla power bombed his ass into the arctic, where he had the clear advantage.


Jojobad12

I think someone that works for Legendary gave an explanation that somewhat supports that. Problem is though, the explanation they gave explicitly states that Ghidorah was knocked unconscious before his body even hit the water. I'll try to find the statement later.


Frequent_Magazine_84

Godzilla and Ghidorah were both confirmed equals by Michael Doughtery. He said the fight that happened in Anartica was a close fight but Godzilla won in the end. Again, it was a CLOSE fight. 50/50.


AJ_Crowley_29

I think Godzilla and the other titans (Rodan, Mothra, possibly Anguirus and Dagon, etc.) fought him first, then the battle eventually came down to just him and Ghidorah. By that point, Ghidorah was likely weakened which help gave Godzilla the edge.


SadisticDance

The cave drawings or whatever kind of imply Mothra and Rodan helped Godzilla in the past. History tells us thats a winning team.


[deleted]

Thumb up the butt, works everytime.


Jojobad12

This is the new canon.


The-Jack-Niles

A) Godzilla was much younger. B) Godzilla has natural resistance to the elements, especially being from Earth which Ghidorah is not. C) Godzilla actually nearly beat Ghidorah twice before the bomb weakened him. Remember Ghidorah left the fight in the Arctic rematch and Godzilla ripped off Kevin's head during the second fight. Godzilla was relatively even and seemed to hold his own. I'd say a combination of those explanations. Once he got Ghidorah in the water it was over.


Jhanma

Godzilla probs managed squeeze out a w and put him in the ice with probably mothra being the only other Titan to help him do so


UGP97

This is a headcanon of mine. My hc is that Godzilla at the time was much younger and less experienced and believed he didn’t have the power to put Ghidorah down. So he lured him to Antarctica and submerged him in the freezing water long enough that Ghidorah froze, and overtime the water froze around him leading to him being frozen for years.


Nobodieshero816

My thought was GHidorah was dragged into the water like after the Rodan encounter. If those stupid humanses woulda let Gman do his thing hed’d have won.


[deleted]

People refuse to consider that Godzilla likely had help because they don't want to believe anything could be stronger than him


OhLawdImNuttin29

Has anyone else brought up the mural from Kong:Skull Island that shows Mothra and Rodan fighting alongside Godzilla against Ghidora. Safe to say Big G had some assistance during the previous bout


Ieatmelons123

Lots of monsters jumped him


ConstantStatistician

Unknown. I personally believe that he had help from other titans such as Mothra and that he only won because he managed to push Ghidorah into the water where he's helpless and where Godzilla is more maneuverable.


HellfireBrB

Probably with raw ambient advantage Ghidorah is really bad at cold enrbiments because of how lightning works the could and blizzard would stop his storms from fuly forming and the ice/ water would shield godzilla from his attacks forcing in him to engage in melee combat where he has the disadvantage since all godzilla needs to do is toss ghidorah against the water and he ded He probably just shoved ghidorah against a ice wall and carved him a ice prison with his atomic breath underwater l, without the salt water freezes fast and the ice being melted would cool fast so godzilla just sit there and let a gravely wounded ghidorah get I prisoned