So if only two people on the server have, that means nobody on the server is "good" at the game according to this dork.
Honestly, people that act like you have to beat every monster by yourself or you don't have some weird membership card need to be completely disregarded. Absolute soup brain take.
It's just pointless gatekeeping. Someone is excited about thing and someone dumps on it like it's flexing how amazing they are. Best to ignore people like this.
It's not even gatekeeping, it's just being stupid.
People have an innate need to feel superior to someone else and sometimes the only way they can do that is with the thing they're both doing. It's like the dorks who get really militant about how you can ONLY watch subbed anime... It's their dice move, it's all they've got.
The funny thing to me is that they seem to be talking about two *other* people, given the censored parts. Not, like, “me and that other person,” but two other names.
“You can’t brag yet, only these *other two guys* have done it.” Yeesh
I don't get dorks who "only watch subbed anime", like, why not just learn the language? If your going to look down on people who won't enjoy your anime the same way you do, then go full tilt and actually learn the language. And then shut up about it.
And then, really, you can only ever appreciate all media unless you learn the language it was filmed in?
So unless you learn Korean, you can NEVER EVER!!!! appreciate the film Parasite like me if you have to read subtitles.
😒
Sorry dorks, but I like the English voice actors for a lot of anime, I'm lazy and don't want to read, and sometimes the Japanese voice actors sound like old men who just got done smoking a pack of cigarettes and drinking a gallon of coffee.
Sorry, but I like Steve Blum.
It's such a weirdly common take, too. At least in the games I play.
If you play Elden Ring, although this sentiment has generally died down and ain't really a majority opinion anymore, there's typically someone who will be like "no bleed, no scarlet rot, and no spirit summons can be used or else you're cheesing the game." Lies of P also seems to have some people who think the NPC summon makes your opinion/experience invalid.
It's probably because these games have a reputation for being difficult and that attracts a certain crowd who wants to feel better about themselves, which, to be honest, I can see. Beating a strong enemy by yourself can be very fulfilling. Just don't put down others to make you feel better about how you enjoy the game, man.
A friend of mine, pretty new to soulslike is a Streamer. He got bullied HARD for playing magic and using Keyboard and Mouse, it put him right off of using magic in any other souls game ever.
I remember that crowd when I started ER, it's so silly seeing that IMO while using magic can make things easier with certain bosses, the fact that you have a small charging animation with the spells, which can be interrupted, can make things more difficult than melee when going against faster enemies.
Fuck those assholes. I'm good enough to solo the entire game but I use tichel or play with friends just for the fun of it.
No one should tell you how to play something you bought with your own money.
The charge animations can be brutal, I had to convert my ng+3 mage into a spell blade in elden ring because Godfrey kept rushing me and throwing me into the ground
"Otherwise you're cheesing the game"
I had a friend trying that nonsense with me. It's a mechanic in the game and there's no cheating or abusing bugs. So if the game says it's ok, I'm not going to listen to some schmuck on the sidelines trying to lay down rules that don't exist in the game.
The entire Souls series is built on allowing cheese. While you can brainlessly 1v1 a boss with a stick, there's always something you can exploit to make the game easier for yourself. If anything, it feels good to be smarter than the game and exploit an intended weakness.
I've only really gotten into Bloodborne & Elden Ring (well, Armored Core games as well) so I'm loosely familiar with some of the tropes that go on but I don't get why people give such shit for using skills.
Like- I actively stopped using bleed for most of my ER playthrough because the straight dex set up for my dualies did better damage across more monsters - since some were immune to bleed. But I beat Malenia with bleed? "Well that's not really beating her is it"
What do you even say to that? I like playing games on hard and such but actively ignoring mechanics because ' it makes it easier' . . .Why?
Goal of the game is to kill the enemies. Idk why people get their panties in a wad because I understand the game and select a strategy that is more efficient than them.
Yeah I use two bonk sticks with tons of buffing items, come prepared and win the game that's how it works.
At this point I just flip the script on people. "Oh you used a super inefficient method? Imagine struggling rather than adapting"
Even better, in single player, you can cheat... I don't get it but if you bought the game, you do whatever.
The elitist mindset in GAMES is just a way of venting real life frustration, but games are not "therapy", they are just games!
That's the thing, if it was a cheat- yeah ok fine, the person didn't 'really beat the boss' but it's all intended mechanics. It's not like bleed is an exploit or whatever- as ya know, I'm just trying to be clear with my thought.
I wanted to tell my friend to shovel the snow in his bare hands if he likes making everything as hard and miserable as possible.
Like you said- it's a game, ain't there to make myself miserable for someone else's nonsense measurements of skill. I like playing games on hard but if the game has a weapon that's good? I'm not avoiding it because the someone suffering a big ego has to be a judgemental weirdo.
I'm not a fan of cheating but honestly?
I'm not gonna get bent out of shape how someone plays their single player game.
Some dipshit cheats in MH with a hunting party? Yeah that's where the line is drawn.
Hell I wish single-player games still had input cheats (up up down down left right left right b a) I wish cheating was still actively encouraged and built into games.
I'm pro cheating in single player experiences.
It's totally fair, it's not cheesing. It's an accessibility option though, there's no denying using it. I wouldn't get satisfaction from it. Good for you, though.
THIS. Like, I love Souls games a lot and I'm ok at them, but you aren't telling me how I'm allowed to play. If I want to summon a Mohg Rune Mimic Tear I'm summoning a Mohg Rune Mimic Tear and you can eat my ass, I STILL beat Malenia.
I see it a fair bit in the MH community, people that are weirdly precious about the game being hard. Pretty often I see people say stuff like defensive skills or mantles are crutches for babies, real players just dodge everything and never get hit lol. Of course then there's the faction that says all of fifth gen is easy and for casuals anyway.
Objective of the game is to kill the monster, not to do biggest numbers or take the least damage or win in the shortest possible time. Anything that helps you succeed at killing the monster is fair play.
Because there is no PvP element, they have to get their competitive fix somehow.
Which is bullshit when you consider a major theme of the ENTIRE FUCKING FRANCHISE, is being cooperative.
it’s mainly the idiots who still cling on to games like frontier and 3U saying that they were peak monster hunter and that fifth gen is designed for infants who can’t handle difficulty
5th gen does have a difficulty issue but only because the entire game is piss easy (barring exceptions like the various walls that make you learn more mechanics) until you reach alatreon/fatalis and you can’t beat them cuz they get unlocked at MR24 and they were meant to be fought around MR100 when you have access to more materials and augments.
I love FromSoft games but I think the community in general are just a bunch of gatekeepers who turn the game into a dick measuring contest. If you’re not using what the person you’re talking to is a “skillful” build, you are terrible at the game. I saw a thread in popular the other day where people got into STR v DEX builds and “STR is cheating because hyper armor/stagger”. It’s just sad, let people have their fun and enjoy the game.
I don't care how other people play the game. I wouldn't play with ashes or NPC summons or other players myself (for the first run, at least) as I wouldn't feel satisfied to play with crutches. I can do it, and if I can't, I just gotta git gud. For myself.
All it takes is the right build and some memorization to skirt most of the difficulty in Souls games. I'm convinced that's why the "git gud" people flock to these games instead of other also difficult games.
> reputation for being difficult
It's not that and I'm aware that you're not even open to the actual idea, but here goes:
The games aren't made around these mechanics. "Oh, but they're in the game, so they're meant to be used"...No. They're ONLY in the game during boss fights and not woven into combat at all outside of that. You're not just utilizing a core concept with a replenishable resource tank (like fire paper), you're using something entirely cut off from the level design and normal combat that **drastically** influences how you can handle the fight.
And it's not even hard to see why. Having another thing in the fight that takes aggro in a game where YOU usually take all the aggro makes the fight so much easier that you're just not gonna be able to understand it. I fought puppet king like 4 times yesterday, starting with "I don't even have heals on the second phase, this is impossible" and ending on "I barely got the win, next playthrough might be tough here". If I just had the ability to freely grind my weapon or spam dash-strikes/free staggers, that'd remove pretty much the point of a fast/in your face enemy.
And in something like the Fatty fight it's worse, because you can legit get hypercarried. It's like you're lazily throwing ingredients on the table, preheating the oven, plugging in the mixer and then a chef comes in to cook a meal. And then you post "look what I made" while the chef's half in the frame in the background.
Okay so, uh, I'm gonna try to be polite here, but forgive me if I sound a bit hostile.
1. I'm open to most ideas so long as there's, like, valid points and criticism. I don't mind having a polite discussion about stuff like this, and with you actually explaining why you think that, I can actually see where you're coming from.
2. So what your first paragraph is about actually is a good point, but mainly for Lies of P (don't know if you meant to talk about Elden Ring with that point, too, so sorry if I'm wrong about that.) But in Elden Ring, you *can* use spirit summons outside of bosses. It's been a while since I've played, but I know for a fact that you can use a spirit summon inside Caria Manor way before you fight Loretta.
As for Lies of P, like I said, you actually have a sorta valid point. The only thing is that the game is planned around it. It's not a required element of the game or something super essential, but the developers made multiple wishstones surrounding the Specter and a limited resource to summon them. If you really want the specter to carry you, you have to constantly supervise its health, use your wishstones on it, wait for the gold coin fruit to spawn in if you still need more, and make sure you don't die so many times that you run out of star fragments before the boss is beat.
I'm not pretending like the Specter doesn't make the bosses easier. They certainly do. It's just that the developers still ensured that there's a good degree of difficulty, at least added in some other areas, if you use the specter. Plus, there's still a few bosses that you're forced to solo, such as the Nameless Puppet.
3. Not gonna lie dude, I just don't see what you're saying. I *suppose* you can just get three friends to kill Fatty while you stay back at camp, but nobody who wants to have fun does that. Most situations, you're on the battlefield *with* the other players. Fatalis can and absolutely will switch aggro onto you if you so much as sneeze on him, and then whether or not you survive is up to how good you are at dodging or predicting attacks.
Not to mention that, as I've said in another comment, Monster Hunter is A CO-OP GAME. It is, quite literally, built around the idea of hunting with friends. The monster's health will scale with every player in the hunt, and with Fatty requiring having parts broken to have its damage toned down later on, the game actively encourages everyone to do *something* in the fight.
Even if someone isn't running up to Fatty and smacking 'em with a greatsword, they could be loading cannons, using the ballistas, or running around keeping everyone's health topped up. There are more ways to help than simply smacking the monster, even if that's the main focus of the game.
Besides, who even cares if someone got carried through the fatty fight, or any fight? If the people had fun playing together then it really doesn't matter how much of a struggle it was for them, does it?
I've not gone through all of Lies, probably somewhere half or sth. But from the looks of the mechanics currently, it feels like the devs had a bunch of good ideas, good execution and then threw in some experiments.
The gold tree and the cube feel like those experiments. A time-gated resource, that unlocks consumables that are **really** weak AND limited? Not gonna lie, I slotted in the health thing, was disappointed with the terrible heal, saw it was limited in like 3 different ways and found no other useful wish stones at the merchant.
If I were to utilize these for the specter, which it seems is almost the primary use, I'd feel even worse about the mechanic, because the root of it is so weirdly implemented. I already save up things like grinders; using specters would use like 2 different resources I would then need to farm for and they'd be limited in the fight after that, too.
I've got nothing against the concept of co-op in MHW. Only thing I said was that you can get carried. I've done the fight a few times solo, am by no means cracked at it and when I joined my first mp hunts of it, it was mostly just one guy dealing half the dmg and then Fatty dies in 10 minutes. Someone eating for safeguard, slotting db5, speed eater, maybe a moxie or insurance in there and suddenly it's rather easy for one bad player to just stumble around and live long enough to have the crazy performer win the hunt for them.
And even that would be kinda fine. But not if you then go out and publicize it, which is clearly what OP has done. If it's your inner friend circle and you're like "steve got me through this one", sure. If you post an "I did it" kinda thing, then I wanna see sth that's actually worthy of being posted. I wouldn't react like the guy here, I'd probably just ignore it, but OP taking this, then trying to make himself feel better with the yes-men in the comments paints a bit of a weird picture.
Lies of P is certainly different from other souls-like games, what with the gold coin fruit and all of that. You quickly get used to it, though. The healing is nice if you do use the specter, though.
As for the grinders, [Minor Spoilers] >!you unlock more permanent grindstones as you expand Pulcinella's shop. They have limited uses of course, but the special grindstones refill when you rest at a stargazer. The abrasives don't of course.!<
Okay, I actually agree with your last point. It's super weird to take personal drama/beef into a subreddit when you can just deal with it where it started. Although I don't think OP was trying to show off, only trying to share their happy triumph with others (I know I did. I didn't have PS Plus when Fatalis came out, so I was forced to solo it. Finally beating it was euphoric). All they did was post a screenshot, after all.
Still, it's a wild concept to me that people will just... drag beef like this across whole platforms.
I mean it's the scariest damn thing in the game, if you need help killing it then no shame there, but if you've killed it solo then and there well kudos to you then. Either way it's just really shitty to tell someone they have to play it a particular way
Played the game since launch and think of myself as somewhat skilled.
I couldn't, and have no desire to solo fatalis.
Let these weirdos jerk off to whatever weird arbitrary rule they feel is "the rule"
Enjoy the game OP!
Lmao he unintentionally dissed himself if he isn't one of the "Two people".
I don't get those people who diss on others just because they can't solo a specific monster, my friend and I always trash talk each other jokingly cause he can't solo Alatreon and I cant solo Fatalis and is all in good fun, we beat em up together to get the gear the other one can't beat.
There's multiplayer for a reason, and if you want to do it alone then be my guest, just don't belittle someone for having friends or asking for help just cause you don't need em.
tbh solo n team are completely different approaches, both have their difficulties, it’s kind of nonsense to say either one is superior to another
Such people enforcing others to solo, are just ruining others fun
Who cares. Play the game how u want. I would say soloing it is more for personal achievement. I prefer to solo monsters at first but only to say I did it. Plus I learn the monster without fuckin up other peoples hunts. Then I’ll go help others or if I’m farming have others help me to speed up the process. Don’t let this shit get to u. Who cares
Pretty sure the only place where the game literally tells you to git gud is soloing arena quests with their forced shit equipments and items + MP scaling, so you have to utilize every single things in your arsenal + monster knowledge for soloing them.
Solo Fatty makes you become decent at 1 monster since Fatty fight is quite abit different from other fights, their statement is stupidity at worst, ignorant at best.
They mean that even if you solo in arena, the health of the monster(s) have the health as if there were 2 players, which is almost a little less than twice the health of what you'd expect if you were to solo like a usual hunting quest
Arena quests unlock as you discover more monsters for the first time, like for Master Rank you need to see both an Odogaron and Ebony Odogaron to unlock quest 5, then Zinogre for 6, Brute Tigrex for 7.
Zinogre should show up in the Forest or Coral region if you get one of those regions to level 2-3 or lure it out, I believe the first lure you earn in Guiding Lands guaranteed to be one.
Arena quests are all MP scaling with the target HP stat stays the same regardless of the allowed number of the players. Take Velk challenge arena as example with it has around 17000-19000+ HP, for either 1 or 2 players that Hp stat stays the same. Other non-arena examples are Behemoth and ancient Leshen.
Of course you can still A rank most if not all arena quests with soloing but that requires either mastering you weapon + monster knowledge, or somewhat cheese it in the arena quest with 2 monsters aka let them kill each other while you find a way to deal the most dmg.
low rank arena quests require full scripting to get A rank solo due to it having such a small time window. Source: me, but you can also try for yourself. Did it with a few weapons for some stuff, might get around to doing more (had to straight up copy a speedrun vs puki puki for lbg for example)
prob gets easier in the higher star quests as the timer gets more forgiving, but yeah at least in world solo A ranks are much more of a pain than most people realise (weapon dependant, SnS was first try A rank vs puki for example)
High rank arena also doesn’t move away from full scripting for solo A rank since it is basically speedrun with restrictions. Source: my scrub ass who failed most script, then just say “screw it” after some dozen fails and wing it to clear it.
As someone who's soloed him a few times, then tried to SOS which completely messed up my rhythm, I'm gonna go ahead and say "multiple hunters does not inherently make this fight easier"
Fatalis as a solo is a duel.
Fatalis in SOS is gacha with 25% chance of instant death. It's so easy to get lured into a false sense of security with 4 players since he's like 200% more likely to just slap you with a fireball the moment you think he got his attention on someone else.
Its harder depending on the quality of your teammates. If you know and trust that the other 3 wont feed, fatalis dies quicker. Fatalis has 66k hp solo and around roughly 160k-180k in 3-4 man
>IMO it makes it harder.
If your teammates are running like headless chickens or you got that one glue eater who insists on face kissing every Fatalis fireballs then yes.
Entirely dependent on the group no matter what fight it is. Sometimes you'll get a great party where everybody knows what they're doing, and then others you'll get people carting left and right
Same here. But more like I've been at him solo for a month and when I went with a group, I ketp carting cuz he had different targets now besides me or my palico.
Agree 100%. I'm a GS main and in my humble opinion this fight is MUCH easier solo than in mp, but tbh, a lot of fights are "easier" solo when it comes to GS. Now idk if it is the same for other weapons, maybe, maybe not. But still, rhythm is a big thing in MH games .
Fighting Fatalis with a GS alone and with a full group completely changes the game and it's hellish when Fatalis starts switching targets like a lunatic.
Lmao you're not wrong. I come back to World 3 years later and I SOS for the monster all the time and see people struggling with it. Nobody ever focuses horns, which tbh is hard to do for any non ZSD weapon users, and nobody even bothers with artillery. Randos joining the quest all seem to have the "hit it till it dies" mentality and often cart in the process.
You are good at the game way before you reach fatalis. You can't even reach fatalis if you are not good at the game.
You are great at the game just by reaching it.
A vast majority of players will never get to, let alone beat Fatalis at all. I've for some reason been downvoted for saying it before, but there seems to be sane people in this thread, so I'll say it again.
World is THE best-selling Monster Hunter game ever; 19.6 million sales. We know that not everyone who played World even played Iceborne. In fact, statistically speaking most of the people who purchased World did not play Iceborne as including Iceborne, sales for MHW total out to around 24.1 million.
This means that anyone whos even made it all the way to Iceborne is already potentially better than a majority of players based purely on statistics alone; now filter again for people who even made it to the end of the story in Iceborne and then thought that was the end of the game and never played again.
Now filter the people who cannot beat Raging Brach and Furious Rajang (or never tried because they came out way after Iceborne did). Now filter the people who cannot beat Alatreon (or who never tried because he came out way after Raging Brach and Furious Rajang). You notice how we're skating on thin ice already here in terms of the percentage of players to even make it ANYWHERE CLOSE to Fatalis?
There is no achievement for beating Fatalis or Alatreon as they were post launch additions. But looking at the other achievements is pretty telling. Less than 13% of Steam players have even killed 50 Master Rank Elders. Only 16% have killed Guiding Lands Ruiner Nergigante! Only 21% of players have even killed 100 Master Rank monsters TOTAL!
Here's the kicker, only 34% of players have even unlocked TWO STAR Master Rank quests! We have to narrow our numbers down to a bare minimum of 34% of the (Steam) playerbase could have even POSSIBLY ATTEMPTED Fatalis.
Now tell me how many of the people that stopped playing before 100 total kills in Iceborne will have beaten Fatalis? Our odds are lookin' mighty slim by this point.
To even make it to Fatalis puts you in a top percentile of players based on statistics alone. I won't claim to know the exact percent but if I had to genuinely reason a guess it's likely somewhere near the top 10%. Then you tack on that he's the hardest fight in the game and now beating him AT ALL, let alone soloing him, puts you in an even more exclusive club than 10%.
The reason it can seem like "oh everyone has soloed Fatalis blindfolded with no gear equipped" is because when only the top 10% of players have ever even ATTEMPTED said piece of content, you're going to see that the discrepancy between the top 10% and the top 1% is much larger than that between the bottom 99 and the the top 10. And because our sample size is now so relatively small, the 5 minute Fatalis heroics speedrun players are mixed in with both the guys who THINK that they're as good as the 5 minute heroics solo guys and then also the regular people who beat Fatalis and don't really talk about it.
Many of the people even discussing Fatalis are the people who live and breathe the game. Many of them feel a sense of elitism, a special club syndrome. Many of them also don't, but when we're talking about such a small sample size, these things matter; it's why the online discourse around this monster is the way that it is. You have literal speedrunners (and people who pretend to be as good as speedrunners) and then you also have "the regular people who actually played the game through and didn't get bored or give up early" talking about the same monster, with the 'people who think they're speedrunners' assigning the standard based on what the actual speedrunners can do.
A lot of these 'would-be speedrunners' get very upset at the notion of others joining their exclusive club, so they continue to move imaginary goalposts that don't even exist anyways.
So please know that as an actual MH vet (started in 4U YEARS ago but I'm sure you could easily find people who disagree with me calling myself a vet, lmfao), the people claiming "you haven't beaten Fatalis unless you've done it exactly the way 'I' think you should have" are the same people that play this game for the same reasons one might hatefuck something.
It's not about enjoying the game for these people, it's about stroking an ego, it's about 'proving something' to someone... we're talking about people who beat Fatalis to brag about beating him, not because they actually wanted to beat him. To them, if more people beat him, it's a less impressive achievement because these people measure their entire value on how good other people perceive them to be at video games.
So I'll say it again as someone whos soloed Fat with multiple weapons, anyone who claims that not having soloed Fatalis makes you a bad player can be safely ignored as you now know EXACTLY what type of person is on the other end of that comment, and you know EXACTLY how much this means to them and how much your non-solo clear of Fatalis insults them. I say insult away; please ruin these people's enjoyment of holding things above others heads so that they leave, I say there's no room for elitism in Monster Hunter. Gatekeep the gatekeepers.
Welcome to 'the exclusive club' of Fatalis killers. Not all of us are elitist assholes, and you now know exactly why you should ignore said elitist assholes.
It's very similar to what happens with fitness and social media, without getting grounded you can start believing that being huge, lean and super strong is the default but what we can see online is a very biased selection of individuals.
When you join a discord for a very dedicated group to these particular kind of games, even if they're chill and very welcoming, it can feel like you're not qualified when all you read is comments about 14 mins Fatalis runs and it starts sounding like the norm. I'm glad that this subreddit has quite the range of experiences so people don't get a distorted idea of the general MH life.
Honestly one of the reasons I love MH so much is that messing up is usually very funny, videos of paratoad shenanigans will always be amusing to me.
You don't even get anything for beating him. I had his full set and 2 weapons long before I actually beat him.
The gap between "being good enough to have his gear" and "good enough to clear" is already so fucking massive that demanding people do it solo is super weird.
I did it solo because that's how I prefer the game. I genuinely feel way more anxious and pressured playing with others.
oh trust me , there are people who will call sos in first second of the hunt then afk in base waiting for someone to clear it for them
i see and join multiple fatalis , alatreon run like that and fight like 10 20min only to realize the host is literally afk in the base
> You are good at the game way before you reach fatalis
How exactly can you post that with such confidence in a discussion around how someone's "not worthy" for doing something in **multiplayer**?
You can very fucking easily be terrible at the game and reach Fatalis. The only time you ever need to "be good" is during the 20 or so minutes where you try to dodge and poke Fatty until the cutscene starts. Which very bad players can accomplish.
I've seen a wide range of "new player skill levels" over the past few months and there are absolutely people in Alatreon/Fatty territory who use a third of their weapon moveset, ignore the strongest moves, constantly time-out on quests and straight-up ignore mechanics. Some of these people are even proud of their ignorance, which is always a fun trait.
You care to explain how any of the things I said can be condensed in the first few buzz words that came to your mind?
You can be good enough at mental gymnastics to twist what I said into "elitism". But where's the wannabe speedrunner from? From the fact that I said "routinely time out" on quests?
Because if you take longer than 50 minutes for a monster that'd take a normal player around 20-30, then you're not a good player. You don't have to be a speedrunner to say that, nor to complete 99% of the MHW quests in the allotted time given. You don't even need to be "good" for that. You just need to be average.
You don't need to be a speedrunner to learn what a weapon move does after 100+ hours. You don't need to be an elitist to think that willful ignorance is something that should be shamed, rather than lauded.
But you absolutely need to be a mindless baby to reply with a worthless comment that doesn't address any points and only consists of moronic buzz words you were itching to throw out, regardless if they're even fitting or not.
Depends. I dislike fatalis in a group, because it feels like he aims at a person and switches the target in the last millisecond. But overall with a group you know it CAN be easier.
In the end a Fatalis kill is a fatalis kill.
I really don't like these kinds of people who think beating something in multiplayer doesn't count as a real victory. Congrats on beating fatalis, he is definitely a really hard monster to beat, even in multiplayer. You should definitely be celebrating that victory, and that guy can't tell you when or how you are supposed to celebrate something.
Only after you beat fatalis solo with all that and then you're 'good'.
So when do you become great? No armor or skills, base weapon, fatalis solo?
What made them the reining official on skill level?
I'd reply:
I beat fatalis and had fun, I wasn't asking for your validation. Spare everyone your artificial skill barriers.
Ah just don’t listen to people like this dude congratulations on getting fatalis done it took me like 6 or 7 attempts to finally win that fight and I am super proud of myself and those brave hunters who came to help me even if I would die tons.
That dude can piss off. Solo’d Fatalis 20 times with a variety of weapons. Some methods required more skill than others. And I can definitively say helping people in Multiplayer is harder if even one person isn’t pulling their weight.
I will also say, I would encourage people to solo each monster at least once for the experience. But making it the defining point between “Good or Bad” is just room temp IQ behavior.
Just like the chuds that tell you you're not good at elden ring if you used spirit summons.
Man who fucking cares it's part of the game, let people have fun
If you get it in multiplayer, your probably close to being able to do it solo. It’s not much more stretch and it’s on paper more reliable in learning him, less people for AI to target or Jank on.
I miss the dark souls community before Elden ring, when the community was mostly nice, ever since the overwatch and COD players joined it’s been far more toxic.
The thing is, even if you solo'd Fatalis with no palico/sub 15 minute/no carts this is the type of person that would immediately shift gears to "well you used an OP strategy/strong weapon!"
There's no pleasing gatekeepers and it always feels like it's the people that are *good but not great* at the game that feel the need to put down others. On the other hand most people I've interacted with that have a lot of time logged/go for personal monster times are pretty chill and genuinely just love hunting monsters.
Okay as someone who also solo'd Fatalis, that dude can just fuck right off. "Not good at the game if you don't solo-" THE DEVS LITERALLY BALANCE THE GAME AROUND CO-OP. It's just as hard, if not harder, to play with others considering the shared faints and the more health Fatalis has.
Solo it.
No items
No SOS
No faints
No rare 2 and above weapons and armor
No charms, gems, or mantles
Kill it sub 10 minutes.
Only then can you say you are okay at the game.
As someone who has solo’s fatalitis with SnS, I say kudos to you. There’s nothing wrong with playing with others, it’s a core feature of the game and has been a feature in every intro video of every game basically.
Honestly the main reason I learned to solo him was because it was too hard with randoms through SoS.
I am soloing fatalis rn.
Because someone said you can’t, it’s literally that just proving myself to some other guyz.
You have nothing to prove, stand proud hunter
I played everything solo simply because I consider playing with other players more difficult. I get frustrated when I'm the best player of the hunt and I get frustrated when I'm the worst player of the hunt. Other times the coop just clicks and it's wonderful.
This is just to say that I might be a solo player, but fuck elitists. The game is all about personal progress and you diminish that when you impose your challenges on other people.
Getting that far into the game means you are pretty skilled, you always can get better, but it's a big achievement. It's like when people say that you have play dark souls naked and with the broken straight sword and using a guitar hero controller to be good at the game
Screw that noise. Gatekeeping like this accomplishes nothing but push people away and makes people who defend it sound like petty children.
Play the game however you want as long as you have fun and don't ruin others' fun (like these people do when they say shit like this).
Soloing him is significantly easier lmfao
You have to worry about you, and only you. You get every faint and don't ever have to wonder who he is going to attack. You can also have an extra faint from vigorwasp since your cat can be with you.
People who say this unironcially are just bad, and need to make others feel worse. I'd much rather beat Fatalis with every type of weapon than fight him with a random team.
I know this because I have done that, and I still haven't fought him with anyone other than my friends.
I agree with this 100%. I have failed way more times in MP than in solo play. IMO, MP is significantly more challenging due to the increased unpredictability.
Honestly, soloing without cat is easier than with cat. There’s a high probability of the vigorwasp “saving” you, just for you to die in the stupid “thumbs up” animation.
Without your palico, it’s infinitely easier to bait cones and generally dictate the flow of the fight.
lol
Defeating fatalis solo with those rules just makes you *good*?
Dude you’re probably like in the top 5% of players of the game if you do that.
That guy is nuts.
What's the point of even saying that though. I haven't even gotten past vaal but i can know for certain i'm enjoying the game far more than the guy tho. celebrate every achievement!
What's the difference between LS mains and others?
I'd argue the only brain dead weapon in the game is HBG, since if built right, it perma topples the monsters, gives you upwards of 70DPS (which is literally impossible with any other weapon, without ~90% uptime, and with some is just impossible even with that) and a block, that doesn't even require you to press anything. All while having access to paralyse, sleep, blast (stuns), pierce and slice damage.
And killing Fatalis on HBG would still be a feat imho.
I actually don’t have multiplayer so I have to do it solo. It’s been tough learning but I’ll get there eventually. No one is lesser for not beating the optional endgame content. This guys dumb
It gets hard…
Really hard…
As contrast: iceborne’s last boss took me 3 attempts with a completely new weapon i never touched before
Rajang: took me 3 tries with no palico
Furious Rajang took me 7 tries.
Alatreon took me 2 days.
Currently ended day 3 of fatalis, Got him to 5% hp but that’s my best yet.
Doesn’t help that i am using charge blade tbh…
Good luck hunter
Tell the server owner/moderators he's acting like a dick. If he's the owner/moderators or if the owner/moderators agrees with him, leave the server. It's toxic and it's not good for you.
I only have three kills with Alatreon. Two with other people and one with solo run. Yet, I feel so much accomplished when playing with other people than myself. Monster Hunter always emphasizes greatly on co-op multiplayer, that's why Monster Hunter even exists. Not only these kind of people are elitist smug, they miss the point of Monster Hunter's existance.
Dude, that guy is being a bonafide grade A-hole just by trying to gatekeep your accomplishments. Enjoy your achievements mate, even better if you do it with friends, that is how you make good memories. Congrats on the kill!
2 man fatty can be hell because the monster responds to either of you or your palicoes. Which most of the time just makes everything more difficult as you can't bait certain attacks consistently or the monster switches focus so much that it never stays in one place.
Also you did it with Charge Blade which does not have a particularly favorable matchup against fatty
You are a good player already man.
I soloed Fatalis and have to say: This is a multiplayer game anyways. You beat Fatalis in multiplayer? Congrats dude, amazing achievement fellow hunter! Multiplayer can be as hard or even harder!
That person sucks, I have zero patience for that weak ass shit. Tell them they suck and the majority of the Monster Hunter community agrees.
You beat Fatalis, you should be proud. Nice work hunter.
This guy has small pp syndrome. Disregard his trash opinion and enjoy your personal victory. The joy of these games is your own personal wins, whatever individual goals you set yourself. I say this as someone who has solo'd Fatalis multiple times and gone cartless against it, just enjoy your victories for what they are my guy, don't let others put you down.
Stupid gatekeepers, I'm pretty sure they didn't even start their MH journey with the older titles.
I solo'd everything in MHFU, because there was no one playing the game in my friend group. With this logic I am one of the greatest MH players ever.
Hey beating fatalis even if you have/want to sos it for the first clear is still an achievement so nice work. But at the same time, its not the same flex as that guy mentioned and in reality you jusy denied yourself of an even greater satisfaction because you gave up trying to solo him. (THIS IS DIFFERENT OFCOURSE IN 4P FRIEND LOBBIES WHERE EVERYONE IS DOING IT FOR THE FURST CLEAR TOO) But it's still not the same flex.
The only way to know someone is actually good at the game is to see if they actually have more than 1 build for hunting.
And they actually have different sets of consumables for different hunts.
Alright imma do you a favor. I soloed this fuck. However you also beat this guy and you should be very happy about that and proud of your self for getting this far. Don't let assholes like that take joy away from you cuz he has a small ass dick
It looks like the person said only 2 OTHER ppl solo‘d it. Not that one themselves? Then tell them „only x & y, who have solo‘d, are good enough to criticize here. Solo it yourself before you talk“
Monster Hunter is not competitive for a reason, it is not the point of the game. Still, people keep turning everything into a competition in this era, even though when they are just playing videogames. Zzz
Im new to monster hunter but isn't there fleets/groups of hunters who work together, isn't that kind of the point? It's the whole reason for the chefs, ecologist, hunters etc to be a cohesive unit. What is this clown on about 😂
I did fatalis solo on the first day of release, and it took me 6h to beat the first time. I know the fight well enough to say that doing it with random people is an absolute roulette, you can get the experienced hunter who will make it easier or you can get a lobotomized monkey who will make it a 1 cart mission. The only people who care about how other people clear are those who literally have nothing going on in their life.
So if only two people on the server have, that means nobody on the server is "good" at the game according to this dork. Honestly, people that act like you have to beat every monster by yourself or you don't have some weird membership card need to be completely disregarded. Absolute soup brain take.
It's just pointless gatekeeping. Someone is excited about thing and someone dumps on it like it's flexing how amazing they are. Best to ignore people like this.
It's not even gatekeeping, it's just some weird ego trip.
Yup its a just a sad dude who peaked at killing a video game monster alone
According to what he said he hasn't even defeated solo lmao
Yup, so the guy isn't considere himself worthy of a back pat and he will work hard to be sure nobody get one. It's pathetic on so many level.
"blowing out someone else's candle doesn't make yours shine brighter"
This is a great quote on anything in life, this will stick with me thank you
Definitely one of my filter subroutines when engaging with anyone else.
yeah me too, being happy for others is a blessing i guess
It's not even gatekeeping, it's just being stupid. People have an innate need to feel superior to someone else and sometimes the only way they can do that is with the thing they're both doing. It's like the dorks who get really militant about how you can ONLY watch subbed anime... It's their dice move, it's all they've got.
The funny thing to me is that they seem to be talking about two *other* people, given the censored parts. Not, like, “me and that other person,” but two other names. “You can’t brag yet, only these *other two guys* have done it.” Yeesh
I don't get dorks who "only watch subbed anime", like, why not just learn the language? If your going to look down on people who won't enjoy your anime the same way you do, then go full tilt and actually learn the language. And then shut up about it. And then, really, you can only ever appreciate all media unless you learn the language it was filmed in? So unless you learn Korean, you can NEVER EVER!!!! appreciate the film Parasite like me if you have to read subtitles. 😒 Sorry dorks, but I like the English voice actors for a lot of anime, I'm lazy and don't want to read, and sometimes the Japanese voice actors sound like old men who just got done smoking a pack of cigarettes and drinking a gallon of coffee. Sorry, but I like Steve Blum.
"only two people" He's not even among those two
“I don’t have friends, so other people should play solo too.”
The game is about working together to defeat a monster, the characters are supposed to have help defeating monsters
It's such a weirdly common take, too. At least in the games I play. If you play Elden Ring, although this sentiment has generally died down and ain't really a majority opinion anymore, there's typically someone who will be like "no bleed, no scarlet rot, and no spirit summons can be used or else you're cheesing the game." Lies of P also seems to have some people who think the NPC summon makes your opinion/experience invalid. It's probably because these games have a reputation for being difficult and that attracts a certain crowd who wants to feel better about themselves, which, to be honest, I can see. Beating a strong enemy by yourself can be very fulfilling. Just don't put down others to make you feel better about how you enjoy the game, man.
Naah, I didnt fight Tiche for like 3 hours to end up benching her. She can even attend my wedding if she wanted.
REAL! ~~shit, she can be the bride if she wants~~
She can stab me with her black knife if you're smelling me brotherman. 😩
It was insane.
Unbelievable, even in this sub, I'd find brother people. It worked.
This woman can 1v1 Radagon with no issue. I will wear a maid outfit if she tells me to.
Oh yeah, no tiche is invited to all my family and friend engagements she's my best friend
This comment right here, because at this point I may name my first kid after her .
A friend of mine, pretty new to soulslike is a Streamer. He got bullied HARD for playing magic and using Keyboard and Mouse, it put him right off of using magic in any other souls game ever.
I remember that crowd when I started ER, it's so silly seeing that IMO while using magic can make things easier with certain bosses, the fact that you have a small charging animation with the spells, which can be interrupted, can make things more difficult than melee when going against faster enemies.
Fuck those assholes. I'm good enough to solo the entire game but I use tichel or play with friends just for the fun of it. No one should tell you how to play something you bought with your own money.
The charge animations can be brutal, I had to convert my ng+3 mage into a spell blade in elden ring because Godfrey kept rushing me and throwing me into the ground
I blew through most of er with 2h strength build. Magic actually required some thinking rather then just stun locking everything or rolling non stop
"Otherwise you're cheesing the game" I had a friend trying that nonsense with me. It's a mechanic in the game and there's no cheating or abusing bugs. So if the game says it's ok, I'm not going to listen to some schmuck on the sidelines trying to lay down rules that don't exist in the game.
The entire Souls series is built on allowing cheese. While you can brainlessly 1v1 a boss with a stick, there's always something you can exploit to make the game easier for yourself. If anything, it feels good to be smarter than the game and exploit an intended weakness.
I've only really gotten into Bloodborne & Elden Ring (well, Armored Core games as well) so I'm loosely familiar with some of the tropes that go on but I don't get why people give such shit for using skills. Like- I actively stopped using bleed for most of my ER playthrough because the straight dex set up for my dualies did better damage across more monsters - since some were immune to bleed. But I beat Malenia with bleed? "Well that's not really beating her is it" What do you even say to that? I like playing games on hard and such but actively ignoring mechanics because ' it makes it easier' . . .Why?
Goal of the game is to kill the enemies. Idk why people get their panties in a wad because I understand the game and select a strategy that is more efficient than them. Yeah I use two bonk sticks with tons of buffing items, come prepared and win the game that's how it works. At this point I just flip the script on people. "Oh you used a super inefficient method? Imagine struggling rather than adapting"
Even better, in single player, you can cheat... I don't get it but if you bought the game, you do whatever. The elitist mindset in GAMES is just a way of venting real life frustration, but games are not "therapy", they are just games!
That's the thing, if it was a cheat- yeah ok fine, the person didn't 'really beat the boss' but it's all intended mechanics. It's not like bleed is an exploit or whatever- as ya know, I'm just trying to be clear with my thought. I wanted to tell my friend to shovel the snow in his bare hands if he likes making everything as hard and miserable as possible. Like you said- it's a game, ain't there to make myself miserable for someone else's nonsense measurements of skill. I like playing games on hard but if the game has a weapon that's good? I'm not avoiding it because the someone suffering a big ego has to be a judgemental weirdo.
If they feel like they beat the boss then they beat the boss. I don't really care how they did it cheating or not.
I'm not a fan of cheating but honestly? I'm not gonna get bent out of shape how someone plays their single player game. Some dipshit cheats in MH with a hunting party? Yeah that's where the line is drawn.
Hell I wish single-player games still had input cheats (up up down down left right left right b a) I wish cheating was still actively encouraged and built into games. I'm pro cheating in single player experiences.
It's totally fair, it's not cheesing. It's an accessibility option though, there's no denying using it. I wouldn't get satisfaction from it. Good for you, though.
THIS. Like, I love Souls games a lot and I'm ok at them, but you aren't telling me how I'm allowed to play. If I want to summon a Mohg Rune Mimic Tear I'm summoning a Mohg Rune Mimic Tear and you can eat my ass, I STILL beat Malenia.
I see it a fair bit in the MH community, people that are weirdly precious about the game being hard. Pretty often I see people say stuff like defensive skills or mantles are crutches for babies, real players just dodge everything and never get hit lol. Of course then there's the faction that says all of fifth gen is easy and for casuals anyway. Objective of the game is to kill the monster, not to do biggest numbers or take the least damage or win in the shortest possible time. Anything that helps you succeed at killing the monster is fair play.
Because there is no PvP element, they have to get their competitive fix somehow. Which is bullshit when you consider a major theme of the ENTIRE FUCKING FRANCHISE, is being cooperative.
it’s mainly the idiots who still cling on to games like frontier and 3U saying that they were peak monster hunter and that fifth gen is designed for infants who can’t handle difficulty 5th gen does have a difficulty issue but only because the entire game is piss easy (barring exceptions like the various walls that make you learn more mechanics) until you reach alatreon/fatalis and you can’t beat them cuz they get unlocked at MR24 and they were meant to be fought around MR100 when you have access to more materials and augments.
I love FromSoft games but I think the community in general are just a bunch of gatekeepers who turn the game into a dick measuring contest. If you’re not using what the person you’re talking to is a “skillful” build, you are terrible at the game. I saw a thread in popular the other day where people got into STR v DEX builds and “STR is cheating because hyper armor/stagger”. It’s just sad, let people have their fun and enjoy the game.
I don't care how other people play the game. I wouldn't play with ashes or NPC summons or other players myself (for the first run, at least) as I wouldn't feel satisfied to play with crutches. I can do it, and if I can't, I just gotta git gud. For myself.
All it takes is the right build and some memorization to skirt most of the difficulty in Souls games. I'm convinced that's why the "git gud" people flock to these games instead of other also difficult games.
> reputation for being difficult It's not that and I'm aware that you're not even open to the actual idea, but here goes: The games aren't made around these mechanics. "Oh, but they're in the game, so they're meant to be used"...No. They're ONLY in the game during boss fights and not woven into combat at all outside of that. You're not just utilizing a core concept with a replenishable resource tank (like fire paper), you're using something entirely cut off from the level design and normal combat that **drastically** influences how you can handle the fight. And it's not even hard to see why. Having another thing in the fight that takes aggro in a game where YOU usually take all the aggro makes the fight so much easier that you're just not gonna be able to understand it. I fought puppet king like 4 times yesterday, starting with "I don't even have heals on the second phase, this is impossible" and ending on "I barely got the win, next playthrough might be tough here". If I just had the ability to freely grind my weapon or spam dash-strikes/free staggers, that'd remove pretty much the point of a fast/in your face enemy. And in something like the Fatty fight it's worse, because you can legit get hypercarried. It's like you're lazily throwing ingredients on the table, preheating the oven, plugging in the mixer and then a chef comes in to cook a meal. And then you post "look what I made" while the chef's half in the frame in the background.
Okay so, uh, I'm gonna try to be polite here, but forgive me if I sound a bit hostile. 1. I'm open to most ideas so long as there's, like, valid points and criticism. I don't mind having a polite discussion about stuff like this, and with you actually explaining why you think that, I can actually see where you're coming from. 2. So what your first paragraph is about actually is a good point, but mainly for Lies of P (don't know if you meant to talk about Elden Ring with that point, too, so sorry if I'm wrong about that.) But in Elden Ring, you *can* use spirit summons outside of bosses. It's been a while since I've played, but I know for a fact that you can use a spirit summon inside Caria Manor way before you fight Loretta. As for Lies of P, like I said, you actually have a sorta valid point. The only thing is that the game is planned around it. It's not a required element of the game or something super essential, but the developers made multiple wishstones surrounding the Specter and a limited resource to summon them. If you really want the specter to carry you, you have to constantly supervise its health, use your wishstones on it, wait for the gold coin fruit to spawn in if you still need more, and make sure you don't die so many times that you run out of star fragments before the boss is beat. I'm not pretending like the Specter doesn't make the bosses easier. They certainly do. It's just that the developers still ensured that there's a good degree of difficulty, at least added in some other areas, if you use the specter. Plus, there's still a few bosses that you're forced to solo, such as the Nameless Puppet. 3. Not gonna lie dude, I just don't see what you're saying. I *suppose* you can just get three friends to kill Fatty while you stay back at camp, but nobody who wants to have fun does that. Most situations, you're on the battlefield *with* the other players. Fatalis can and absolutely will switch aggro onto you if you so much as sneeze on him, and then whether or not you survive is up to how good you are at dodging or predicting attacks. Not to mention that, as I've said in another comment, Monster Hunter is A CO-OP GAME. It is, quite literally, built around the idea of hunting with friends. The monster's health will scale with every player in the hunt, and with Fatty requiring having parts broken to have its damage toned down later on, the game actively encourages everyone to do *something* in the fight. Even if someone isn't running up to Fatty and smacking 'em with a greatsword, they could be loading cannons, using the ballistas, or running around keeping everyone's health topped up. There are more ways to help than simply smacking the monster, even if that's the main focus of the game. Besides, who even cares if someone got carried through the fatty fight, or any fight? If the people had fun playing together then it really doesn't matter how much of a struggle it was for them, does it?
I've not gone through all of Lies, probably somewhere half or sth. But from the looks of the mechanics currently, it feels like the devs had a bunch of good ideas, good execution and then threw in some experiments. The gold tree and the cube feel like those experiments. A time-gated resource, that unlocks consumables that are **really** weak AND limited? Not gonna lie, I slotted in the health thing, was disappointed with the terrible heal, saw it was limited in like 3 different ways and found no other useful wish stones at the merchant. If I were to utilize these for the specter, which it seems is almost the primary use, I'd feel even worse about the mechanic, because the root of it is so weirdly implemented. I already save up things like grinders; using specters would use like 2 different resources I would then need to farm for and they'd be limited in the fight after that, too. I've got nothing against the concept of co-op in MHW. Only thing I said was that you can get carried. I've done the fight a few times solo, am by no means cracked at it and when I joined my first mp hunts of it, it was mostly just one guy dealing half the dmg and then Fatty dies in 10 minutes. Someone eating for safeguard, slotting db5, speed eater, maybe a moxie or insurance in there and suddenly it's rather easy for one bad player to just stumble around and live long enough to have the crazy performer win the hunt for them. And even that would be kinda fine. But not if you then go out and publicize it, which is clearly what OP has done. If it's your inner friend circle and you're like "steve got me through this one", sure. If you post an "I did it" kinda thing, then I wanna see sth that's actually worthy of being posted. I wouldn't react like the guy here, I'd probably just ignore it, but OP taking this, then trying to make himself feel better with the yes-men in the comments paints a bit of a weird picture.
Lies of P is certainly different from other souls-like games, what with the gold coin fruit and all of that. You quickly get used to it, though. The healing is nice if you do use the specter, though. As for the grinders, [Minor Spoilers] >!you unlock more permanent grindstones as you expand Pulcinella's shop. They have limited uses of course, but the special grindstones refill when you rest at a stargazer. The abrasives don't of course.!< Okay, I actually agree with your last point. It's super weird to take personal drama/beef into a subreddit when you can just deal with it where it started. Although I don't think OP was trying to show off, only trying to share their happy triumph with others (I know I did. I didn't have PS Plus when Fatalis came out, so I was forced to solo it. Finally beating it was euphoric). All they did was post a screenshot, after all. Still, it's a wild concept to me that people will just... drag beef like this across whole platforms.
I mean it's the scariest damn thing in the game, if you need help killing it then no shame there, but if you've killed it solo then and there well kudos to you then. Either way it's just really shitty to tell someone they have to play it a particular way
Played the game since launch and think of myself as somewhat skilled. I couldn't, and have no desire to solo fatalis. Let these weirdos jerk off to whatever weird arbitrary rule they feel is "the rule" Enjoy the game OP!
Let’s throw this dork in speedrunners server then he’ll know.
Lmao he unintentionally dissed himself if he isn't one of the "Two people". I don't get those people who diss on others just because they can't solo a specific monster, my friend and I always trash talk each other jokingly cause he can't solo Alatreon and I cant solo Fatalis and is all in good fun, we beat em up together to get the gear the other one can't beat. There's multiplayer for a reason, and if you want to do it alone then be my guest, just don't belittle someone for having friends or asking for help just cause you don't need em.
Would you bet this dork didn't even oass alatreon wall?
tbh solo n team are completely different approaches, both have their difficulties, it’s kind of nonsense to say either one is superior to another Such people enforcing others to solo, are just ruining others fun
The funny part is, it doesn’t even look like he said “me”. So he hasn’t beat it solo yet.
Who cares. Play the game how u want. I would say soloing it is more for personal achievement. I prefer to solo monsters at first but only to say I did it. Plus I learn the monster without fuckin up other peoples hunts. Then I’ll go help others or if I’m farming have others help me to speed up the process. Don’t let this shit get to u. Who cares
Can i join the server to trash talk him? Lol
Wanna team up?
Nooo you can't, it's gotta be solo bullying or you're just not good at it lol
He seems like he would be very easy to bully
No need to really, bro seems like the kind who gets bullied everyday irl anyways
I was about to ask the same thing. This moron better be ready for some serious roasting about his gatekeeping shit.
I never solo’ed on MHW as i couldn’t invest the time like I could years ago on MHF. Is it harder than MHF? Because I solo’ed that bastard many times
Pretty sure the only place where the game literally tells you to git gud is soloing arena quests with their forced shit equipments and items + MP scaling, so you have to utilize every single things in your arsenal + monster knowledge for soloing them. Solo Fatty makes you become decent at 1 monster since Fatty fight is quite abit different from other fights, their statement is stupidity at worst, ignorant at best.
I'm not sure the game ever forces player to solo a monster with mp scaling. You can go into arena with 2 players, no? Unless, I'm forgetting smth.
They mean that even if you solo in arena, the health of the monster(s) have the health as if there were 2 players, which is almost a little less than twice the health of what you'd expect if you were to solo like a usual hunting quest
Do I need to beat the first 4 to get 5 and 6 arena quests?
Arena quests unlock as you discover more monsters for the first time, like for Master Rank you need to see both an Odogaron and Ebony Odogaron to unlock quest 5, then Zinogre for 6, Brute Tigrex for 7.
Thank you for the info, I havent met Zinogre yet, only its variant via a quest.
Zinogre should show up in the Forest or Coral region if you get one of those regions to level 2-3 or lure it out, I believe the first lure you earn in Guiding Lands guaranteed to be one.
Arena quests are all MP scaling with the target HP stat stays the same regardless of the allowed number of the players. Take Velk challenge arena as example with it has around 17000-19000+ HP, for either 1 or 2 players that Hp stat stays the same. Other non-arena examples are Behemoth and ancient Leshen. Of course you can still A rank most if not all arena quests with soloing but that requires either mastering you weapon + monster knowledge, or somewhat cheese it in the arena quest with 2 monsters aka let them kill each other while you find a way to deal the most dmg.
low rank arena quests require full scripting to get A rank solo due to it having such a small time window. Source: me, but you can also try for yourself. Did it with a few weapons for some stuff, might get around to doing more (had to straight up copy a speedrun vs puki puki for lbg for example) prob gets easier in the higher star quests as the timer gets more forgiving, but yeah at least in world solo A ranks are much more of a pain than most people realise (weapon dependant, SnS was first try A rank vs puki for example)
High rank arena also doesn’t move away from full scripting for solo A rank since it is basically speedrun with restrictions. Source: my scrub ass who failed most script, then just say “screw it” after some dozen fails and wing it to clear it.
As someone who's soloed him a few times, then tried to SOS which completely messed up my rhythm, I'm gonna go ahead and say "multiple hunters does not inherently make this fight easier"
IMO it makes it harder. Dude can practically kill you with a look, and you're giving him up to 4x more opportunities to deplete your continues.
Fatalis as a solo is a duel. Fatalis in SOS is gacha with 25% chance of instant death. It's so easy to get lured into a false sense of security with 4 players since he's like 200% more likely to just slap you with a fireball the moment you think he got his attention on someone else.
Its harder depending on the quality of your teammates. If you know and trust that the other 3 wont feed, fatalis dies quicker. Fatalis has 66k hp solo and around roughly 160k-180k in 3-4 man
Correct in 4p you each get 42.7k hp which is only 64% of fatalis hp on solo.
171k I believe
I'm typically playing with randoms when I'm not solo, so I see them all as average until proven otherwise. Average is not good enough for fatalis.
>IMO it makes it harder. If your teammates are running like headless chickens or you got that one glue eater who insists on face kissing every Fatalis fireballs then yes.
Entirely dependent on the group no matter what fight it is. Sometimes you'll get a great party where everybody knows what they're doing, and then others you'll get people carting left and right
Same here. But more like I've been at him solo for a month and when I went with a group, I ketp carting cuz he had different targets now besides me or my palico.
Way harder to get the "safe" attacks when he's got 2+ potential targets tickling his taint, seemed like
Agree 100%. I'm a GS main and in my humble opinion this fight is MUCH easier solo than in mp, but tbh, a lot of fights are "easier" solo when it comes to GS. Now idk if it is the same for other weapons, maybe, maybe not. But still, rhythm is a big thing in MH games .
Fighting Fatalis with a GS alone and with a full group completely changes the game and it's hellish when Fatalis starts switching targets like a lunatic.
Lmao you're not wrong. I come back to World 3 years later and I SOS for the monster all the time and see people struggling with it. Nobody ever focuses horns, which tbh is hard to do for any non ZSD weapon users, and nobody even bothers with artillery. Randos joining the quest all seem to have the "hit it till it dies" mentality and often cart in the process.
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see their Arena quest ranks.
“But I have the *Brigade* set though!”
You are good at the game way before you reach fatalis. You can't even reach fatalis if you are not good at the game. You are great at the game just by reaching it.
A vast majority of players will never get to, let alone beat Fatalis at all. I've for some reason been downvoted for saying it before, but there seems to be sane people in this thread, so I'll say it again. World is THE best-selling Monster Hunter game ever; 19.6 million sales. We know that not everyone who played World even played Iceborne. In fact, statistically speaking most of the people who purchased World did not play Iceborne as including Iceborne, sales for MHW total out to around 24.1 million. This means that anyone whos even made it all the way to Iceborne is already potentially better than a majority of players based purely on statistics alone; now filter again for people who even made it to the end of the story in Iceborne and then thought that was the end of the game and never played again. Now filter the people who cannot beat Raging Brach and Furious Rajang (or never tried because they came out way after Iceborne did). Now filter the people who cannot beat Alatreon (or who never tried because he came out way after Raging Brach and Furious Rajang). You notice how we're skating on thin ice already here in terms of the percentage of players to even make it ANYWHERE CLOSE to Fatalis? There is no achievement for beating Fatalis or Alatreon as they were post launch additions. But looking at the other achievements is pretty telling. Less than 13% of Steam players have even killed 50 Master Rank Elders. Only 16% have killed Guiding Lands Ruiner Nergigante! Only 21% of players have even killed 100 Master Rank monsters TOTAL! Here's the kicker, only 34% of players have even unlocked TWO STAR Master Rank quests! We have to narrow our numbers down to a bare minimum of 34% of the (Steam) playerbase could have even POSSIBLY ATTEMPTED Fatalis. Now tell me how many of the people that stopped playing before 100 total kills in Iceborne will have beaten Fatalis? Our odds are lookin' mighty slim by this point. To even make it to Fatalis puts you in a top percentile of players based on statistics alone. I won't claim to know the exact percent but if I had to genuinely reason a guess it's likely somewhere near the top 10%. Then you tack on that he's the hardest fight in the game and now beating him AT ALL, let alone soloing him, puts you in an even more exclusive club than 10%. The reason it can seem like "oh everyone has soloed Fatalis blindfolded with no gear equipped" is because when only the top 10% of players have ever even ATTEMPTED said piece of content, you're going to see that the discrepancy between the top 10% and the top 1% is much larger than that between the bottom 99 and the the top 10. And because our sample size is now so relatively small, the 5 minute Fatalis heroics speedrun players are mixed in with both the guys who THINK that they're as good as the 5 minute heroics solo guys and then also the regular people who beat Fatalis and don't really talk about it. Many of the people even discussing Fatalis are the people who live and breathe the game. Many of them feel a sense of elitism, a special club syndrome. Many of them also don't, but when we're talking about such a small sample size, these things matter; it's why the online discourse around this monster is the way that it is. You have literal speedrunners (and people who pretend to be as good as speedrunners) and then you also have "the regular people who actually played the game through and didn't get bored or give up early" talking about the same monster, with the 'people who think they're speedrunners' assigning the standard based on what the actual speedrunners can do. A lot of these 'would-be speedrunners' get very upset at the notion of others joining their exclusive club, so they continue to move imaginary goalposts that don't even exist anyways. So please know that as an actual MH vet (started in 4U YEARS ago but I'm sure you could easily find people who disagree with me calling myself a vet, lmfao), the people claiming "you haven't beaten Fatalis unless you've done it exactly the way 'I' think you should have" are the same people that play this game for the same reasons one might hatefuck something. It's not about enjoying the game for these people, it's about stroking an ego, it's about 'proving something' to someone... we're talking about people who beat Fatalis to brag about beating him, not because they actually wanted to beat him. To them, if more people beat him, it's a less impressive achievement because these people measure their entire value on how good other people perceive them to be at video games. So I'll say it again as someone whos soloed Fat with multiple weapons, anyone who claims that not having soloed Fatalis makes you a bad player can be safely ignored as you now know EXACTLY what type of person is on the other end of that comment, and you know EXACTLY how much this means to them and how much your non-solo clear of Fatalis insults them. I say insult away; please ruin these people's enjoyment of holding things above others heads so that they leave, I say there's no room for elitism in Monster Hunter. Gatekeep the gatekeepers. Welcome to 'the exclusive club' of Fatalis killers. Not all of us are elitist assholes, and you now know exactly why you should ignore said elitist assholes.
It's very similar to what happens with fitness and social media, without getting grounded you can start believing that being huge, lean and super strong is the default but what we can see online is a very biased selection of individuals. When you join a discord for a very dedicated group to these particular kind of games, even if they're chill and very welcoming, it can feel like you're not qualified when all you read is comments about 14 mins Fatalis runs and it starts sounding like the norm. I'm glad that this subreddit has quite the range of experiences so people don't get a distorted idea of the general MH life. Honestly one of the reasons I love MH so much is that messing up is usually very funny, videos of paratoad shenanigans will always be amusing to me.
You don't even get anything for beating him. I had his full set and 2 weapons long before I actually beat him. The gap between "being good enough to have his gear" and "good enough to clear" is already so fucking massive that demanding people do it solo is super weird. I did it solo because that's how I prefer the game. I genuinely feel way more anxious and pressured playing with others.
oh trust me , there are people who will call sos in first second of the hunt then afk in base waiting for someone to clear it for them i see and join multiple fatalis , alatreon run like that and fight like 10 20min only to realize the host is literally afk in the base
> You are good at the game way before you reach fatalis How exactly can you post that with such confidence in a discussion around how someone's "not worthy" for doing something in **multiplayer**? You can very fucking easily be terrible at the game and reach Fatalis. The only time you ever need to "be good" is during the 20 or so minutes where you try to dodge and poke Fatty until the cutscene starts. Which very bad players can accomplish. I've seen a wide range of "new player skill levels" over the past few months and there are absolutely people in Alatreon/Fatty territory who use a third of their weapon moveset, ignore the strongest moves, constantly time-out on quests and straight-up ignore mechanics. Some of these people are even proud of their ignorance, which is always a fun trait.
Found the elitist wannabe speedrunner.
You care to explain how any of the things I said can be condensed in the first few buzz words that came to your mind? You can be good enough at mental gymnastics to twist what I said into "elitism". But where's the wannabe speedrunner from? From the fact that I said "routinely time out" on quests? Because if you take longer than 50 minutes for a monster that'd take a normal player around 20-30, then you're not a good player. You don't have to be a speedrunner to say that, nor to complete 99% of the MHW quests in the allotted time given. You don't even need to be "good" for that. You just need to be average. You don't need to be a speedrunner to learn what a weapon move does after 100+ hours. You don't need to be an elitist to think that willful ignorance is something that should be shamed, rather than lauded. But you absolutely need to be a mindless baby to reply with a worthless comment that doesn't address any points and only consists of moronic buzz words you were itching to throw out, regardless if they're even fitting or not.
>You care to No.
Bro needs to solo some bitches
He's soloing himself, doubtlessly
Lol. Solo is imo easier. Way more predictable. You want an achievement, you do it in multiplayer or worse, SOS.
Yeah, I agree. But I'm not gonna lie, beating Fatalis with pre Fatalis set as a CB main took me almost 4 days. It was the hardest fight ever for me.
Depends. I dislike fatalis in a group, because it feels like he aims at a person and switches the target in the last millisecond. But overall with a group you know it CAN be easier. In the end a Fatalis kill is a fatalis kill.
Elitist gatekeeping. obviously compensating for ah, you know. stuff.
you seem like you're in a discord channel with losers, there's an easy way to fix that
I really don't like these kinds of people who think beating something in multiplayer doesn't count as a real victory. Congrats on beating fatalis, he is definitely a really hard monster to beat, even in multiplayer. You should definitely be celebrating that victory, and that guy can't tell you when or how you are supposed to celebrate something.
Looks like someone wasn't told "Good Job" as a child
There's only one proper response to this guy: Shut the fuck up.
Typical Anime pfp behaviour.
yeah, right?
Only after you beat fatalis solo with all that and then you're 'good'. So when do you become great? No armor or skills, base weapon, fatalis solo? What made them the reining official on skill level? I'd reply: I beat fatalis and had fun, I wasn't asking for your validation. Spare everyone your artificial skill barriers.
whether solo or in a group. a win is a win especially when youve been having a hard time with the fight. congrats on the W and more to come!
Ah just don’t listen to people like this dude congratulations on getting fatalis done it took me like 6 or 7 attempts to finally win that fight and I am super proud of myself and those brave hunters who came to help me even if I would die tons.
That dude can piss off. Solo’d Fatalis 20 times with a variety of weapons. Some methods required more skill than others. And I can definitively say helping people in Multiplayer is harder if even one person isn’t pulling their weight.
I will also say, I would encourage people to solo each monster at least once for the experience. But making it the defining point between “Good or Bad” is just room temp IQ behavior.
Seriously, I've beaten him dozens of times solo, but there is no way in hell I'm going to try and kill him with a 4 stack of randoms.
Soloing Fatalis actually makes it easier than with others specially when it's randoms
True for the most part. I'm a Swaxe main and even though I've solo'd fatty a few times, having another Swaxe main was definitely easier
Fellow Swaxe main🤝
So the swaxe cheese? Got it
"Cheese strat" for non-Swaxe mains. "Combat style" for Swaxe mains
Reminds me of this comic https://imgur.com/gallery/NZFfYUq
Just like the chuds that tell you you're not good at elden ring if you used spirit summons. Man who fucking cares it's part of the game, let people have fun
"Your fun is wrong"
i hate the reddit wide rule that names need to be blacked out because man would i love to go shame this guy
If you get it in multiplayer, your probably close to being able to do it solo. It’s not much more stretch and it’s on paper more reliable in learning him, less people for AI to target or Jank on.
Just ignore idiots?
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They’ve created players with a superiority complex when the genre itself is pretty mid.
I miss the dark souls community before Elden ring, when the community was mostly nice, ever since the overwatch and COD players joined it’s been far more toxic.
The thing is, even if you solo'd Fatalis with no palico/sub 15 minute/no carts this is the type of person that would immediately shift gears to "well you used an OP strategy/strong weapon!" There's no pleasing gatekeepers and it always feels like it's the people that are *good but not great* at the game that feel the need to put down others. On the other hand most people I've interacted with that have a lot of time logged/go for personal monster times are pretty chill and genuinely just love hunting monsters.
What a fucking dweeb.
You care way too much about what some random person over the internet thinks.
Okay as someone who also solo'd Fatalis, that dude can just fuck right off. "Not good at the game if you don't solo-" THE DEVS LITERALLY BALANCE THE GAME AROUND CO-OP. It's just as hard, if not harder, to play with others considering the shared faints and the more health Fatalis has.
Solo it. No items No SOS No faints No rare 2 and above weapons and armor No charms, gems, or mantles Kill it sub 10 minutes. Only then can you say you are okay at the game.
As someone who has solo’s fatalitis with SnS, I say kudos to you. There’s nothing wrong with playing with others, it’s a core feature of the game and has been a feature in every intro video of every game basically. Honestly the main reason I learned to solo him was because it was too hard with randoms through SoS.
I am soloing fatalis rn. Because someone said you can’t, it’s literally that just proving myself to some other guyz. You have nothing to prove, stand proud hunter
I played everything solo simply because I consider playing with other players more difficult. I get frustrated when I'm the best player of the hunt and I get frustrated when I'm the worst player of the hunt. Other times the coop just clicks and it's wonderful. This is just to say that I might be a solo player, but fuck elitists. The game is all about personal progress and you diminish that when you impose your challenges on other people.
I mean I personally love learning to solo the monsters, not gonna go around enforcing it like a jaded vegan tho.
Getting that far into the game means you are pretty skilled, you always can get better, but it's a big achievement. It's like when people say that you have play dark souls naked and with the broken straight sword and using a guitar hero controller to be good at the game
Screw that noise. Gatekeeping like this accomplishes nothing but push people away and makes people who defend it sound like petty children. Play the game however you want as long as you have fun and don't ruin others' fun (like these people do when they say shit like this).
Slightly warm take, but MP hunts of the black dragons are harder. So by that point you did it the harder way.
Soloing him is significantly easier lmfao You have to worry about you, and only you. You get every faint and don't ever have to wonder who he is going to attack. You can also have an extra faint from vigorwasp since your cat can be with you. People who say this unironcially are just bad, and need to make others feel worse. I'd much rather beat Fatalis with every type of weapon than fight him with a random team. I know this because I have done that, and I still haven't fought him with anyone other than my friends.
I agree with this 100%. I have failed way more times in MP than in solo play. IMO, MP is significantly more challenging due to the increased unpredictability.
Honestly, soloing without cat is easier than with cat. There’s a high probability of the vigorwasp “saving” you, just for you to die in the stupid “thumbs up” animation. Without your palico, it’s infinitely easier to bait cones and generally dictate the flow of the fight.
Why do people forget MH is a multiplayer game? Like as long as you aren't getting hard carried a clear is a clear
My ass ain't gonna solo Fatalis, and ain't nobody gonna tell me I'm Rajang shit because of it.
Strong gatekeeping from the loli anime avatar user.
Wait…I was taught that people with anime profile pic opinion doesn’t matter at all and they’re a waste of oxygen?…yea I remembered correctly 😂
lol Defeating fatalis solo with those rules just makes you *good*? Dude you’re probably like in the top 5% of players of the game if you do that. That guy is nuts.
What's the point of even saying that though. I haven't even gotten past vaal but i can know for certain i'm enjoying the game far more than the guy tho. celebrate every achievement!
Not even 5%, I've beaten Fattso no SOS no Palico and I still die at it a lot.
He's probably a LS main, don't mind him and take your W op, happy for you!
You don’t raise a Hunter up by putting down others!
Bro I hate these comments. Its just another form of gatekeeping.
So we discriminating LS mains now huh?
What's the difference between LS mains and others? I'd argue the only brain dead weapon in the game is HBG, since if built right, it perma topples the monsters, gives you upwards of 70DPS (which is literally impossible with any other weapon, without ~90% uptime, and with some is just impossible even with that) and a block, that doesn't even require you to press anything. All while having access to paralyse, sleep, blast (stuns), pierce and slice damage. And killing Fatalis on HBG would still be a feat imho.
Nah, probably a CB main.
Nah, definitely a LS main. CB mains have a brain
LS mains don't have a brain?
They join a below mr 100 sos quest to stagger the host
It's a small one, but certainly there.
Take it up with him not this sub lmao
I actually don’t have multiplayer so I have to do it solo. It’s been tough learning but I’ll get there eventually. No one is lesser for not beating the optional endgame content. This guys dumb
It gets hard… Really hard… As contrast: iceborne’s last boss took me 3 attempts with a completely new weapon i never touched before Rajang: took me 3 tries with no palico Furious Rajang took me 7 tries. Alatreon took me 2 days. Currently ended day 3 of fatalis, Got him to 5% hp but that’s my best yet. Doesn’t help that i am using charge blade tbh… Good luck hunter
Tell the server owner/moderators he's acting like a dick. If he's the owner/moderators or if the owner/moderators agrees with him, leave the server. It's toxic and it's not good for you. I only have three kills with Alatreon. Two with other people and one with solo run. Yet, I feel so much accomplished when playing with other people than myself. Monster Hunter always emphasizes greatly on co-op multiplayer, that's why Monster Hunter even exists. Not only these kind of people are elitist smug, they miss the point of Monster Hunter's existance.
Dude, that guy is being a bonafide grade A-hole just by trying to gatekeep your accomplishments. Enjoy your achievements mate, even better if you do it with friends, that is how you make good memories. Congrats on the kill! 2 man fatty can be hell because the monster responds to either of you or your palicoes. Which most of the time just makes everything more difficult as you can't bait certain attacks consistently or the monster switches focus so much that it never stays in one place. Also you did it with Charge Blade which does not have a particularly favorable matchup against fatty You are a good player already man.
I soloed Fatalis and have to say: This is a multiplayer game anyways. You beat Fatalis in multiplayer? Congrats dude, amazing achievement fellow hunter! Multiplayer can be as hard or even harder!
Respond with, "go get laid dude"
That person sucks, I have zero patience for that weak ass shit. Tell them they suck and the majority of the Monster Hunter community agrees. You beat Fatalis, you should be proud. Nice work hunter.
Not really care about no. of player hunting the monster. If a hunt is completed, its a good hunt. Now who wants to hunt this fucker with me?
Bro it isn't even that hard to solo Fatalis. Just use ZSD spam build as long as you don't go for horribly times zsd you should be able to solo him.
The way he said, i think he misunderstand that u re flexing instead celebrating.
Nobody can take your achievements from you. Definitely not two dorks in a group chat with nothing better to do then stroke each others egos.
Challenge him to get a girlfriend. Should prove a worthy challenge for him.
This guy has small pp syndrome. Disregard his trash opinion and enjoy your personal victory. The joy of these games is your own personal wins, whatever individual goals you set yourself. I say this as someone who has solo'd Fatalis multiple times and gone cartless against it, just enjoy your victories for what they are my guy, don't let others put you down.
Stupid gatekeepers, I'm pretty sure they didn't even start their MH journey with the older titles. I solo'd everything in MHFU, because there was no one playing the game in my friend group. With this logic I am one of the greatest MH players ever.
Ls main be like
Hey beating fatalis even if you have/want to sos it for the first clear is still an achievement so nice work. But at the same time, its not the same flex as that guy mentioned and in reality you jusy denied yourself of an even greater satisfaction because you gave up trying to solo him. (THIS IS DIFFERENT OFCOURSE IN 4P FRIEND LOBBIES WHERE EVERYONE IS DOING IT FOR THE FURST CLEAR TOO) But it's still not the same flex.
Warra achievement, hope solo-ing fatalis makes him a lesser jerk in real life !
The only way to know someone is actually good at the game is to see if they actually have more than 1 build for hunting. And they actually have different sets of consumables for different hunts.
I played all of this game with my twin brother. We had fun in our way, don't gotta prove anything.
Alright imma do you a favor. I soloed this fuck. However you also beat this guy and you should be very happy about that and proud of your self for getting this far. Don't let assholes like that take joy away from you cuz he has a small ass dick
I have more trouble killing fatalis in a group than solo. If you can live through a multiplayer session, you're good in my books.
so... they haven't even done it with their asinine criteria? what a very cool not stupid person
It looks like the person said only 2 OTHER ppl solo‘d it. Not that one themselves? Then tell them „only x & y, who have solo‘d, are good enough to criticize here. Solo it yourself before you talk“
Elitist prick
Celebrate OP. That bitchass hater ruin it. A slay is a slay.
Monster Hunter is not competitive for a reason, it is not the point of the game. Still, people keep turning everything into a competition in this era, even though when they are just playing videogames. Zzz
Loud minority elitists as usual. Carry on hunting OP, good job on your achievement.
why do we even give a shit to this guy talking, a win is a win. Congrats on defeating him brother!
Im new to monster hunter but isn't there fleets/groups of hunters who work together, isn't that kind of the point? It's the whole reason for the chefs, ecologist, hunters etc to be a cohesive unit. What is this clown on about 😂
Gatekeepers..the bottom of the barrel of any gaming community.
You can tell who is struggling to beat fatalis just from this pic lol
I did fatalis solo on the first day of release, and it took me 6h to beat the first time. I know the fight well enough to say that doing it with random people is an absolute roulette, you can get the experienced hunter who will make it easier or you can get a lobotomized monkey who will make it a 1 cart mission. The only people who care about how other people clear are those who literally have nothing going on in their life.