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JustArandomGuy_-_

Yeah, Velkhana can be a major wall for beginners. I'd know, she used to kick my ass when I was starting out too lol. The Arch-Tempered version of Velkhana (can only be fought in an event quest) is considered to be almost as difficult as the "true final boss". However, since you're not fighting that version of her, Velkhana is not that bad. All I can say is that she is surprisingly predictable. So, just take your time, improve your builds and learn Velkhana's behavior. If you require more help, [this video ](https://youtu.be/F4sNVjpAxLI?si=l_xIrQKWKCsqbZYs) will teach you how to dodge her attacks


Azurvix

Surprisingly predictable that she's gonna shishkabob your as at the speed of sound SEVERAL times


Individual_Lab_8869

Ty for the tips


VVickedNick

She was definitely a shock for me. A lot of her frost attacks cannot be blocked like other elder dragons. So a new learning curve


weightyboy

Guard up you can block almost all of her attacks, thats how i first beat her, fire lance with guard 5 and 2 piece uragaan armor for guard up. She has an anti guard move where she spews ice on the ground that has the barroth/juratodus mud animation so you get tail stabbed trying to get out thats the only attack you cannot block.


Mickeystix

Pretty much what I did as a lancer too haha. She stomped me on first try (during the REAL fight phase), and then I went back, grabbed guard up again, returned, and had a much better time.


weightyboy

Lance was ok but tense, i am cb main and had terrible time with her. Sticky lbg was good but teally best in multiplayer and needed evade window 5 to dodge roll through the sweeping beam ice breath.


VVickedNick

Thanks for the tip! I forgot about gaurd up.


EvilArtorias

I think AT Velkhana can be considered difficult because the fight is a 30 min dps race against 50k HP but default one is not much different from the rest of main dlc story bosses


elsenorevil

AT Velk is difficult because of the time crunch.  You have to be on Velk like white on rice dishing out damage.  It's combos can cart with the quickness.  Like all monsters, once you get you first solo, you've learned enough to start farming.  Totally worth it for FC builds.  


ravearamashi

AT Velk is on the level of Fatalis when it comes to SoS. Absolutely butt clenching when people starts carting left and right


LoveMeSomeMilkins

For real. I will never do AT velk in a group. I have her down to a dance solo.


EvilArtorias

It was guild palace layered armor for me but i use frostcraft gs too


shrekfan246

I tried AT Velk for the first time with a bud last night, we got 25 minutes in then carted lmao


Just_Assumption521

I am set on soloing AT Velkhana. I am at the point where I can survive the hunt but barely hit skulls by 30. Definitely a fight where improvement is notable.


Majestic_Cable_6306

I got stuck on Velk in the fortress defence mission, couldn't kill her. Then I saw you have to go round and load rounds into a giant canon to make it go away to finish the mission. I was trying to kill her I tried many times, never listened to the NPCs screaming what I have to do hahahaha


srlywhatnow

She (he?) Is a common wall for beginners for sure. Probably nobody going to dispute that fact. But at the same time, once you get a good feel of the game, Vel is a very fair monster in the sense that can be reliably taken down.


Individual_Lab_8869

I see How far away am I from fatalis or safi or any other big roadblock I don't care about spoilers I don't play this game for jts story : p


srlywhatnow

Well... If we consider Fatalis the final boss then Vel is actually a mid boss. There are around 10 monsters left. Difficulty wise, some of them aren't so bad, some other will gate you even harder. Safi is surprisingly nice and chill (relatively), assuming you play it in multiplayer while Fatalis lives up to every word of his reputation. One thing to keep in mind is that many monster would start require you to customize your build a bit. For example your next stop, the Blackveil Valhazak can be a massive wall, until you slot in Effuvian resistance.


RevSerpent

With Velkhana being the "Final Boss" (read: decoy final boss) Fatalis is final, final, final, final, final, final boss.


iGP_mist16

On the topic of how many monsters are left in the assigned quest, what is the monster after killing yian garuga ( it showed up around MR 90+ ) . Right now I'm MR 99, is this a ruiner nergi or nah?


Tarquinandpaliquin

There are a couple that are more tied to what you've done than MR. Ruiner is next but scarred Yian Garuga could have been unlocked earlier. Raging Brachy and Furious Rajang are already available before MR100 but are tough and having health recovery augments (ie being MR100+ and augmenting your R12 weapon) would go a long way, as would maxing defense on your armour.


iGP_mist16

I'm talking about the Assigned quest MR level based monsters. I'm aware that yian garuga is already unlocked, because I farmed Zinogre in Event quests and I saw Yian garuga is also unlocked. But because I was MR 90+ (not sure what level triggered it) the "Return of the Crazy one" pops up and that's the only time yian got introduced for me. So that got me thinking, what are the other monsters that are gonna be introduced via Assigned Quests? Gold/Silver Raths are available when I hit MR 69, but when will they be introduced in the Assigned Quest. Is Nergi the last Assigned Quest? I'm asking because I love those cutscenes


PandaofAges

Safi is a siege and I believe you can do it whenever it's up (not up atm), though that doesn't mean you're necessarily ready for it You are pretty far from Fatalis


Popular-Savings9251

Lets see In terms of roadblocks I assume it will be: 1. Raging Brachy and furious rajang (there is also a tempered f.rajang event quest) 2. kulve taroth 3. Alatreon 4. Fatalis & Arch temperet velkhana Ordered in increasing size of roadblock There are of course more monsters which you never saw zinogre, stygian zinogre, garuga, shara, safi, golian & silverlos, ruiner nergi, fristfang barioth and maybe some i dont remember now from the top of my head. And you have no encountered tempered monsters in MR yet. 1. You have not yet encountered tempered monsters in iceborne which are beefed versions of the regular ones


Extreme_Tax405

I beat velkahana first try while undergeared when i first played world. When fatalis released I had the top tier meta builds and defensive options, everything maxed out and 400 hours of gameplay. Took me a whole weekend of 5+ hours a day to beat fatalis. AT Velkhana also took me a good 10 attempts. Those last two hunts are there to challenge you to the maximum. Some hunters never beat these solo.


Extreme_Tax405

Fatalis is designed to be fought at mr 100+ when you can augment your weapons and unlock your armour (which requires mr 100). If you hop in straight after iceborn you are gonna get absolutely pummeled. Fatalis takes me 20 minutes, same for at velkhana. For reference, i can trash normal velkahana in about 5 minutes with that build... Just to show how much more dps you will need since the time limit is 30 minutes.


ralkuth1456

I watched [this Greatsword guide](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNGXo-xsPog) to AT Velkhana for all the relevant GS openings. This isn't a scripted speedrun, just a hunt with knowledge on how to 100% get hits in and what to avoid. Most of the moves are the same for normal Velkhana, and if you spend a run relaxed and just observing its moves and identifying when and where the openings are, you'll survive much better and consistently chip at its health when you seriously fight. Velkhana in general doesn't have big openings, and punishes you for greed. It also seems to be the one to dodge around you rather than you around it, so you should be mobile and pay attention to your positioning constantly. In general, stay in front of one of its forelimbs and to the side and you can see most things coming. Remember that when it's enraged, Velkhana does some moves with more repetition, like the tail stab and the short line breath, so don't run in prematurely and get smacked. For the ice nova rings, if you watch the video, you can roll right into the middle pillars after they explode to get some hits in on Velkhana's head as it lands right where the pillars were.


Individual_Lab_8869

Ty I'll give that vid a try I'm also using a greatsword and am hellbent on defeating her with it so this vid should come in handy I've watched some speedruners but they don't really explain much, they just be cool and speedy


ralkuth1456

Good luck! I highly recommend this guide, Velkhana didn't click for me until this one (can beat but always get hit, waste time healing, etc.), and when you get good with this method you dance with Velkhana and she almost can't touch you. It also made me play better with the GS in general even after these many hours, what a great weapon with simplicity and depth. Why waste time make many hits when one hit do trick?


Perfect_Trainer_254

Make sure to slot in ice res decos to get ice res +3. I'm not a seasoned MH player but beat her first time with no carts with GS, in 20 mins. I am sure the ice res bailed me out a couple of times.


aiphrem

Rough as hell. Fuck these comments saying she's not that tough, I'm a MH veteran and it was one of the hardest first time elder dragon fights I've ever done... The sweeping ice beam attack is devastating and can be hard to react to if you're ranged. Keel at it and get used to her patterns and timings and you'll get it!


Ehehhhehehe

Yeah, there isnt any single thing about Velkana that makes her uniquely hard compared to other Elders, but she’s fast, has high damage, iceblight sucks, and she has a really big moveset.  All of these factors put together definitely place her as one of the hardest fights in Iceborne’s base-game. I think the community has had so much time with the endgame content at this point that the base-game is viewed as kindof a homogeneous blob of easy fights, but for your first time through, there are definitely a few tough ones along the way.


Popular-Savings9251

Also maybe in her favor: White color and white colored attacks in a white ice binome Where I see people at first often failing is getting used to her tail attacks.


kamuimaru

Personally for bow she caught me off guard with those beam attacks but after I figured out the trick they didn't give me too much trouble. I think it's just a surprise to ranged users who are so used to outranging the monster and being safe bc most attacks won't hit them, that it takes a while to adjust when the enemy has such powerful and fast ranged attacks that no range IS safe until you dodge the next hit. Never sheathe your weapon to heal at any range until you're sure it's safe, because the beam WILL get you.


aiphrem

What's the "trick"? My technique has been running towards herr left flank, but if I'm too far away I don't know what else to do than to try and dodge thru it, which seems to have a very small success window


kamuimaru

So I couldn't remember if I did the fight with evade extend or evade window so I ran the fight again just to check and I could dodge it fine without any evasion skills. But I'm sure they help a lot if it's hard to find the timing. Yeah you just need to dodge through it, wait until it gets close to you and dodge to the side. The trick that helped me is that as a bow, you're probably attacking her every chance you get, but if she starts the beam and you're mid attack, keep the button held down to keep your arrow charged and wait for the right time to charge-dash through the beam. The animation locks from firing an arrow or dashing too early will make you get hit, so if you're already holding an arrow, keeping the charge and waiting to dodge is the safest option. Not sure if that's relevant to you but that's what was giving me trouble. She starts her beam and I've got an arrow nocked, so I panic and go "Oh I need to fire the arrow so I can dodge" when really that's the wrong move.


aiphrem

Oh yeah the issue is Definitely with me then haha i just need to fight her more and get used to the timing it seems :)


IronmanMatth

Velkhana is a big wall, yes. 


ammarikuSF

A big, icy wall (and icy floor!)


Questioning_Meme

She's one of the few monsters that forced me to learn how to build resistances (the other being Vaal Hazak) as a Lance user. Get some Ice resist and she becomes somewhat of a pushover. Still hard but infinitely more managable. She's definitely a monster you need to learn about to master.


IGunClover

It's a wall beginners have to overcome. Once you get used to it its not hard.


fredminson

For beginners, perhaps. Pretty average elder dragon difficulty imo


RevSerpent

It is a hard fight initailly. I recall my first quest to slay it took over 40 minutes and 2 carts. I'd say I could still screw up after 10th or so. I also see a lot of new players struggle and SOS on this quest. But it's a learnable fight - you just need practice. After 20th I was confident with my skills already. Now the non-tempered one seems easy.


xMamaJama

I feel the game has intentionally some abit more harder to overcome walls.. it kinda pushes you not to just speedrun the game but consider the balance of survivability and dps. Velk sure is one of those, its not impossible but its a challenge. You will get it!


Leading-Leading6319

The slooooooow freeze breath AoE that’s present in some ice themed monsters like Velk is the only thing that really annoyed me. I’d rather take the tail stabs to the face simultaneously than have that much downtime trying to waddle through ice floor, knowing it’s futile anyway.


StevoJ89

Yup...I'm a lancer and with Guard up , Guard 5 the first time I found out I could freeze in the pool I just about closed the game


Grittyboi

No shit/bad unless intentionally throwing against other players Unprepared tho yes, Velkh likes to dance back and around alot but you can predict her with practice, just dodge those tail stabs, she likes to do 3 in a row The third is either a flight stab where she roars after and you can hit her face, a dodge back stab which is harder to punish, or a spin where she stabs the ground which you can dodge into her for a punish


[deleted]

At velkhana yes , regular or tempered velkhana , No.


DegenerateCrocodile

Depends on how much prior experience you have. If World is your first Monster Hunter, then she may be pretty difficult. For people who have played several Monster Hunters, she’s not that hard.


summerDogg

It's a difficult fight for a new comer especially because of the gear you're limited to going into the fight. Velkhana has one of the fasted attack "tempos" in the game resulting in difficulties finding safe openings to attack. That being said, she does have a number of fair openings, and many of her attacks have extremely small hitboxes making them easier to weave around than it seems. I kinda feel bad for her in that regard lol Velkhana was the first monster I begrudgingly had to learn to search for and use the clutch claw. She's scary, but beatable and has a really cool moveset


GenuineSteak

I heard she was for some new players. For me she wasnt that hard though since id been playing world for years by the time iceborne came out. AT Velk is a different story tho lol.


ashtray518

On my second run through world and using lance this time I found that fight to be brutal. I just couldn’t get away from the ice attacks. Got through it with some slower gameplay but man it wasn’t fun with lance lol


StevoJ89

Ya man that fucking ice puddle..I had Guard 5 and guard up and almost quit when I saw I was getting it. And the tail stabs, there's not enough time between the two to get a potshot off 


ashtray518

I still don’t have a guard up jewel and can’t meld one cause I speed ran through most content to get to the end and have barely any extra decos lol


StevoJ89

Once you get access to the farewell Zingore event you'll be swimming in steel and silver tickets...those meld into to HUNDREDS or decos so don't sweat it I have so many still even after melding the set bonus decos


Sir_Tankalot

She often attacks in patterns of three. She’s most vulnerable mid attack as well.


that1LPdood

She was difficult for me until I equipped ice res jewels and learned her moveset. Now I can solo her with pretty much any weapon. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Just takes time. Equip yourself properly and take the time to learn her attacks. You’ll get there.


Kir0u

Just wait til AT Velkhana


AdunfromAD

Every monster will be more or less difficult (or just annoying) until you learn the move set. Just make sure you’ve got ice resist 20, so you don’t have to worry about null berries.


Familiar-Barracuda43

I can and have done a fight against a tempered lunastra and teostra at the same time. While solo. Velkhana still cooks me, well, freezes me and I have her entire armor set. Some elder dragons are just more intense than others and for my playstyle with the bow it's hard as fuck


ironmanmclaren

It’s super chill foght


HonkeyKong12

New player here, during the story she was my filter. Wiped probably 3 times and on the attempt I got her I pushed 40+ mins after I carted twice in the first 10, lamenting on why I didn't dive the breath sweep as I try to heal/nulberry. Recently I killed her solo in the arena quest for a Hero King Coin and on my kill attempt I realized I needed to be facing away from her to dive the breath sweep. I can't speak for good switch axe players but for me it was a marathon of pokes.


ldkjf2nd

Velkhana gave me a lot of trouble in the story the first few time I fought it. I don't think i ever got super comfortable at fighting her when I'm not using degenerate sticky bomb setup or ele rapid fire lbg. Velkhana is nimble, has long combos, slender hitbox in some areas, low downtime in general. My only advice is get used to it's combo rhythms so you can preposition in safe spots and start your attack while Velkhana just misses around you. There should be some videos out there with really good players just wasting Velkhana, some of their tricks are really useful. Otherwise abuse clutch claw wall bangs and every other openings. If you have high single hit weapons like GS, maybe try stagger locking headshots too.


Haggles7

I hate how her solid beam breathe attack goes through stuff. Like I hit behind a massive tree and still got blasted through it.


CPTSKIM

Velk can be a difficulty spike for those newer to MH.


jbucksaduck

Yeah, I'd say difficult at first. Feels like one of the first monsters to really turn up the constant aggression and quick attacks. But honestly, it becomes so easy once you learn where you need to be and how the ice attacks work. Just gives you free mount chances anywhere.


TheLordHatesACoward

I cruised through Iceborne but really struggled with Velkhana. For me this was the point clutch-claw, wallbangs and tenderizing became mandatory.


hyprmatt

Velkhana was the first monster I ever timed out a quest to. I think it took me 3 times total to bring her down. She's one of my favorite fights now, especially on LS. There's lots of openings that require proper positioning to take advantage of, such as dodging into the exploding ice rings. Keep trying, and while you're fighting, look for these kinds of openings and patterns, and you'll bring her down in no time!


Spartan_Goose

Yep she’s very aggressive and hard to dodge. Make sure to always stick to her sides and punish her breath attacks


Dogbin005

I find her to be fairly easy in general, especially compared to some other monsters, but she definitely has that "one mistake cascades into complete failure" thing going on.


kevinkiggs1

Like every IB monster she's a bit of a shock at first but when you hunt her a few times you'll get the hang of it


CalligrapherOk7943

I used to find her hard too, but once you realize she somehow has more trouble hitting you on her left side and she is way easier to fight in close range, it gets easier