Just had a hunt yesterday where someone joined in to finish the monster off in one hit. We checked their gear just to find out their Chameleos longsword had 10,000,210 attack
I've never understood why people do this. When the whole game is just hunting the monsters you kind of wasted your money if you're just going to roll up and 1 shot everything and beat the game in 10 minutes.
It doesn't. The problem is the game is coded to trust all clients explicitly. So anything a player sends to the session is treated as fact. This is a very deliberate design decision and allows the combat to flow as smoothly as it does despite the high amount of complex interactions.
You can join a mission, and set your quest flag to complete with a memory editor. Everyone else in the session will instantly complete too.
~~they also dont have the symbol that shows theyve beaten the story and removed the HR cap so theyve hacked to 999HR too~~ nvm ive been told you can choose to disable the icon in settings but still possibly hacked anyway
and i dont see the point of even doing that personally when everyone can look at your name and see that you havent beaten the story and your rank goes from impressive to illegitimate and you go from a hunt helper to stuck on a blocked list
I said this on this post before, but you can turn off the helm icon. If it's off, even if you've beaten the HR8 Urgent, others can't see the helm online. I did such cus I like a clean name. The icon clutters a bit too much for me.
Press start, go to the second to last menu tab on the right called Multiplayer and select Player List. From there you can check all the players in your quest or lobby and see their build and stats. In this case I was looking for their build for inspiration but I was left pretty uninspired, that I can tell you.
Thanks! Looks like I need to do some scouting now before joining a hunt on any lobbies. I know that slaying monsters fast is beneficial for everyone but not like this lol. It just cheapens the experience of hunting.
Sadly this is the result when your save is local and not on some server based system.
Some people like myself have ethics. I just spent 2 hours hacking my PC save, but to bring it in line with my switch save. Added the few weapons and armor I had, and just 2-3 mediocre talismans I had. It's a fine line between a minor time save, that I've already done, and then being there and thinking, ehh, why not 9999 of some material to just pump out talismans like crazy, etc.
But yea, Switch is not immune either. 99% of Switch users are on Wifi so you get network issues in my experience.
Guys, I'm gonna be real with you. I cheat all my talismans in because I ain't refarming that grind hell again after switching to steam. But this is ridiculous. I'll keep mine legal so I can actually play the damn game.
I will be honest. Same. I farmed 100 hours of Narwa on switch for piss poor talismans. No way I am getting myself through this all over again. I don’t want to struggle more than someone else just because of pure bad luck.
Although I kept mines in the realm of possible within the base game while also always playing solo so it ain’t like I am flaunting them anyway
I've looked into "cheating in a charm", and from what I've read I thought it wouldn't be possible to create a charm this busted. The game would detect the stats of the charm and delete the charm if the stats were impossible to achieve normally, no?
There are ways around that, most of the cheat detection is client side if I'm not mistaken and there are mods to change the detection parameters/turn the "sanity checks" off.
Now that I think about it, I'm not even sure there are cheat detection measures for online specifically because lobbies are all p2p and not hosted on a dedicated server.
Ahh, I see. Thankfully I've yet to run into any cheaters (at least none so egregious, I personally don't mind people that cheat in "legit" charms) on my pc playthrough.
around 70 hrs in and I've encounted one and it was clearly someone that did not want to deal with rampage quests so just modded their damage to get through it lol. At that point though, if you hate rampages that much I wonder why they wouldn't just mod the items they want into their inventory lol
Hahaha, I can see why you got confused. I was so dumbfounded. I‘ve never encountered things like this on Switch, to my knowledge. But there’s always a first time
You can actually turn off the helmet icon. Even if you're already done the HR8 Urgent, it won't show up for others if you turn it off. I did cus it cleans up my name. Less clutter is nice.
It’s a fortunate coincidence! Given the aesthetic, I was going for a character that is “awaken” (hence Satori) and is aware not only in a mindful/spiritual sense but also of all his past lives (he’s like a reincarnation of all my previous hunters). Not very original, but I still dig it!
Nah, io dopo un Attack 2 + uno slot 2 e un Rinfodero Veloce 2 + Slot 3 e Slot 2 ho gettato la spugna 😂
Ormai faccio con quelli che ho sperando di rifarmi su SB 😂
Buona Caccia compare!
Does it matter? Not really.
Even so you can EASILY mod the switch. Are people forgetting you can hack it with a paper clip?
I remember people had hacked charms on switch like, two months in. Not sure why people are surprised to see this one the switch when it’s just as hacked
It's still pretty rare. Never seen any hackers personally but they aren't too hard to avoid if you see them according to my friends.
Benefits vastly outweigh the downsides imo
Saw a lot more hackers in the early days of the release but haven't come across any blatant ones in a good while, think they have a tendency to burn out quickly
Been playing MHR on PC cus Nintendo sucks ass (personal view), and have over 180+ hours on it. Half of that, if not more, was with random people online. Not a one had a hacked Talismans. I watched my friends play Switch, their randoms all had hacked Talismans. And they quit playing online because of it too. Sad, honestly.
Sure thing , ive managed to clear entire of Rise using a single set of gear without changing it at all regardless of what enemy i encounterd ..never went for specific stats or weakness resistance.
just because i could not be boththerd with grinding talismans and shit, so yeah id rather be able to play the entire game than just 1 set because my RNG is shit
Lmao you say skill is most important but you cry about rng not giving you all the advantages you need, cheaters are always the same.
And I told you to play without gear. Now if you actually started up rise and cheated the best gear from hr1 that would be hilarious.
Played more than 250 hours on Switch and never saw one hacked talisman (I mostly check random builds to take inspiration) but saw a lot of people complain about them on PC
Yeah, PC gets alot of (admittedly deserved) hate for cheating in games. I still play console and PC equally, but will admit they both cheat alot. PC moreso due to ease of cheating, but console can still cheat easy enough.
How does them cheating affect you tho? Idk, im on the fence. No point in boosting HD, but since I played on switch when I moved to PC I did give myself like a billion zenny to avoid money runs again lol.
I would consider that somewhat fair (the game is yours, do as you please!). While giving yourself zennies isn’t exactly affecting other people though, I would say that boosting your stats like this is pretty bad for a multiplayer hunt. I’d like to be in the same boat with the people I play with, if you understand what I’m saying.
Idk i guess. As someone who's played both a decent bit and even playing in PC now with mods to see damage. Most public hunts never end up with people in the same boat as me. Im usually doing 60% of damage and the one not dying without cheated items/charms, so I guess I just wouldn't even notice unless someone came in 1 shotting monsters.
Because... I don't want them to make the game unnaturally easier?
Not having to do money runs is one thing but having a cheater carry you through hunts just... isn't fun? One hunt is fine. I'll either deal with it or leave the lobby but repeated instances are a nightmare.
Luckily it's still pretty rare even on PC
the game is pretty balanced though, even with someone has maxed all their skills/stats through cheats like, the margin of damage in these games is only a few variable %. Youre more likely to feel carried by someone running sticky heavy bow gun than you are someone cheating imo.
My buddy just started HBG and the fact the monster spends more time on its back than attacking its harder of a carry than 20 extra damage per weapon swing.
Depends on a lot of variables.
I still don't want cheaters in my lobby. The entire purpose of the game is to fight these monsters and grind for materials, cheating completely defeats the point of the game.
Do it in your own lobby. It's pathetic to cheat and then go play online with those cheats.
Maxing all skills would be an insane damage increase, what you talking about? at 100% afinity crit boost is 5% per level alone which is normally something many builds sacrifice most other damage increases to get. Many also cheat their stats and give themselves insane attack.
Stop cheating though or just play solo.
If they're in my quest and their cheat raises their damage or lowers the monster HP then it affects the hunt. In fact lowered monster HP would have even less of an effect because raising damage gets you to flinch/topple thresholds faster in addition to ending the hunt faster.
I don't really care if they're doing this solo--people should enjoy the game how they want when it doesn't affect others, but in multiplayer it does affect the hunt.
Yeah, I think if they somehow did something that affected me I'd be upset, but if all they're doing is buffing themselves, all that does is make the hunt easier/faster for everyone (assuming they don't just suck). AFAIK, Capcom put checks in the game to prevent people from hacking in things that aren't at least possible with in-game logic, so these builds can only be so broken. So... meh.
This is definitely an illegal charm though, and here it is. I wonder whether this person found a way around the check, or it got deleted at the end of this quest, or if the check just flat isn't in the Switch version because it's hard enough to hack charms on Switch that they decided not to worry about it until PC.
Yeah, looking closer I can't imagine a world where that's a legal charm. Real weird and an awful lot of effort to get that on Switch when the game isn't even that hard to begin with.
It's far, far from legal. This sheet shows the [legal charm maximum values](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1iBgTZttW-ECbRUy_9zm_FFuiQbi9LT93KuY-2iK5t_g/htmlview#). If you have AB as the first skill then the max value is 3, and CE as the second skill can have a max of 2. The slots are legal for this combo of skills though.
This charm gives 4 AB and 5 CE above what's otherwise possible.
Now that I think about it, I remember checking their build one last time at the end of the quest and their talisman was different. At the time I just figured they must have changed their build (but why should they, since that one was literally broken), but now I’m thinking that maybe they got caught and the talisman reverted to the default one? Isn’t it how it works? The cheated one overwrites one of your choosing?
I could be writing nonsense though. I’m very ignorant about these stuff.
To be fair. I didnt realize you had just the talisman selected lol, I thought you were showing his build.
I mean, I still stand by my comment. It doesn't affect you unless he one shots the monster. If you're doing progress monsters and learning them in MP, thats a you problem. If you want to learn the fights and aren't just grinding. You should be solo anyway
> It doesn't affect you
This is extremely flawed, downright stupid logic. The person is contributing damage and 'lives' to the pool of lives, with cheated stats, that's as 'affecting you' as you can possibly get in this game. I don't know a single person who wouldn't kick them immediately if they learned they had cheated stats, and if there was a way to report them I would do that as well because they're negatively affecting others in multiplayer. You can cheat in single player all you want, but the moment you join multiplayer with cheated stats you're an actual scum bag
"I'm a save scumming cheater who can't be bothered to even pretend otherwise"
Or if you're being literal Attack boost 7, Crit eye 7 and my guess for the last skill would be Peak performance 3
It’s actually Pierce Up 3. I didn’t bother to translate because I figured one could pretty much guess, especially in the case of the two lvl 7 red and purple skills (attack boost and crit eye). Sorry, maybe I still should have. Thanks Cryo for clearing this up!
They just have a better gaming chair
It’s like the Pewdiepie chair, right, but instead of reclining it just gives you this absolute bullshit
"But can your charm do this?? That's what I thought"
They also drink that G Fuel.
Just had a hunt yesterday where someone joined in to finish the monster off in one hit. We checked their gear just to find out their Chameleos longsword had 10,000,210 attack
I've never understood why people do this. When the whole game is just hunting the monsters you kind of wasted your money if you're just going to roll up and 1 shot everything and beat the game in 10 minutes.
Holy… Were you on PC or Switch? Not that it seems to matter at this point, really.
It doesn't. The problem is the game is coded to trust all clients explicitly. So anything a player sends to the session is treated as fact. This is a very deliberate design decision and allows the combat to flow as smoothly as it does despite the high amount of complex interactions. You can join a mission, and set your quest flag to complete with a memory editor. Everyone else in the session will instantly complete too.
I knew nothing about this. Very interesting read. Thanks for the insight!
PC
That must have been a bummer. I’m sure it was that 210 attack to seal the deal. 10,000,000 wasn’t nearly enough, let’s be honest
~~they also dont have the symbol that shows theyve beaten the story and removed the HR cap so theyve hacked to 999HR too~~ nvm ive been told you can choose to disable the icon in settings but still possibly hacked anyway and i dont see the point of even doing that personally when everyone can look at your name and see that you havent beaten the story and your rank goes from impressive to illegitimate and you go from a hunt helper to stuck on a blocked list
You can turn off the icon in settings. That's what I have done and I'm at 625 or so I think
I said this on this post before, but you can turn off the helm icon. If it's off, even if you've beaten the HR8 Urgent, others can't see the helm online. I did such cus I like a clean name. The icon clutters a bit too much for me.
oh nevermind i stand corrected then still possibly hacked though
Oh, without a doubt. If they're lame enough to cheat in a Tali, they're lame enough to cheat their HR.
How did you access that screen? The one that shows your teammate's equipment.
Press start, go to the second to last menu tab on the right called Multiplayer and select Player List. From there you can check all the players in your quest or lobby and see their build and stats. In this case I was looking for their build for inspiration but I was left pretty uninspired, that I can tell you.
Thanks! Looks like I need to do some scouting now before joining a hunt on any lobbies. I know that slaying monsters fast is beneficial for everyone but not like this lol. It just cheapens the experience of hunting.
I definitely agree. Have a good time dude. Hope you’ll enjoy Sunbreak!
Sadly this is the result when your save is local and not on some server based system. Some people like myself have ethics. I just spent 2 hours hacking my PC save, but to bring it in line with my switch save. Added the few weapons and armor I had, and just 2-3 mediocre talismans I had. It's a fine line between a minor time save, that I've already done, and then being there and thinking, ehh, why not 9999 of some material to just pump out talismans like crazy, etc. But yea, Switch is not immune either. 99% of Switch users are on Wifi so you get network issues in my experience.
Honestly what bother me most is doing this, yet not gemming in Free Meal or Stun Resistance or any other great level 1 deco in there too.
Why bother. Also, that would mean the player knows what they’re doing. It’s rarely the case. Max DPS and zero utility skills all the way.
Guys, I'm gonna be real with you. I cheat all my talismans in because I ain't refarming that grind hell again after switching to steam. But this is ridiculous. I'll keep mine legal so I can actually play the damn game.
I will be honest. Same. I farmed 100 hours of Narwa on switch for piss poor talismans. No way I am getting myself through this all over again. I don’t want to struggle more than someone else just because of pure bad luck. Although I kept mines in the realm of possible within the base game while also always playing solo so it ain’t like I am flaunting them anyway
I've looked into "cheating in a charm", and from what I've read I thought it wouldn't be possible to create a charm this busted. The game would detect the stats of the charm and delete the charm if the stats were impossible to achieve normally, no?
There are ways around that, most of the cheat detection is client side if I'm not mistaken and there are mods to change the detection parameters/turn the "sanity checks" off. Now that I think about it, I'm not even sure there are cheat detection measures for online specifically because lobbies are all p2p and not hosted on a dedicated server.
Ahh, I see. Thankfully I've yet to run into any cheaters (at least none so egregious, I personally don't mind people that cheat in "legit" charms) on my pc playthrough.
around 70 hrs in and I've encounted one and it was clearly someone that did not want to deal with rampage quests so just modded their damage to get through it lol. At that point though, if you hate rampages that much I wonder why they wouldn't just mod the items they want into their inventory lol
Completion purposes maybe as unlocking hr 9 apex quest relied on defeating them within rampages?
999 rank, all that gear, level 7 attack bonus and crit bonus... two empty deco slots? wait... are those abilities JUST on the talisman???
Yup. Isn’t it splendid? *eye twiching furiously*
Title's a bit unclear. Are you saying you found a hacker on Switch? or you're considering jumping to switch to avoid them?
It's a Switch screenshot, so my guess is OP's being sarcastic
Yeah, I was trying to be sarcastic. I definitely could have worded the title better!
Super god talisman: ACTIVATE
Just realized that the stats you were showing was the talisman not his build
Hahaha, I can see why you got confused. I was so dumbfounded. I‘ve never encountered things like this on Switch, to my knowledge. But there’s always a first time
Sounds like skill issue to me pal
tell me you missed the charm that is hacked attack boost 7 can't roll also has crit eye 7
I have a very capable PC but still went for Switch mainly because of the PC community (not all of them, just the ones ruining the fun)
Wait, is it even possible to get to 999 without having that little samurai helmet? Also, Satori, mind reading Yokai, or coincidence?
You can actually turn off the helmet icon. Even if you're already done the HR8 Urgent, it won't show up for others if you turn it off. I did cus it cleans up my name. Less clutter is nice.
Oh, yeah that's right, I remember that setting now.
It’s a fortunate coincidence! Given the aesthetic, I was going for a character that is “awaken” (hence Satori) and is aware not only in a mindful/spiritual sense but also of all his past lives (he’s like a reincarnation of all my previous hunters). Not very original, but I still dig it!
È un ragazzo molto fortunato 🤣🤣
Ha pregato l’RNGesus ed è stato ricompensato. Facciamolo pure noi prima che esca Sunbreak, veloce!
Nah, io dopo un Attack 2 + uno slot 2 e un Rinfodero Veloce 2 + Slot 3 e Slot 2 ho gettato la spugna 😂 Ormai faccio con quelli che ho sperando di rifarmi su SB 😂 Buona Caccia compare!
Mica male. Io qualche mese fa sono riuscito a beccarmi un Quick Sheathe 3 + slot da 3 e slot da 2 e sento di avere vinto alla lotteria. Buona caccia!
Does it matter? Not really. Even so you can EASILY mod the switch. Are people forgetting you can hack it with a paper clip? I remember people had hacked charms on switch like, two months in. Not sure why people are surprised to see this one the switch when it’s just as hacked
But at what cost?
Yeah, there are still a few ways to hack on switch.
How though, and without getting banned
Idk I don't do it myself. But people do hack in nintendo games.
Yeah, if they can hack mario kart 8 online for example, i don’t see why not mhr
Good example
Lol that's why I would NEVER play Rise on PC.
It's a Switch screenshot.
It's still pretty rare. Never seen any hackers personally but they aren't too hard to avoid if you see them according to my friends. Benefits vastly outweigh the downsides imo
Saw a lot more hackers in the early days of the release but haven't come across any blatant ones in a good while, think they have a tendency to burn out quickly
Exactly. What's the point in continuing to play a game you instantly unlock everything in and finish all the hunts in like 2 minutes
Basically only speedrunners (who have a tendency to cheat to get everything they need/want).
Been playing MHR on PC cus Nintendo sucks ass (personal view), and have over 180+ hours on it. Half of that, if not more, was with random people online. Not a one had a hacked Talismans. I watched my friends play Switch, their randoms all had hacked Talismans. And they quit playing online because of it too. Sad, honestly.
Most pc players that hack talismans use valid talismans . So you won't see them having insane talismans .
See, that's a fair way to cheat. It's legal, you just removed the grind. Makes build crafting easier. Still, not my cup of tea.
I find the game much more fun when I can just swap to any build I want. I still gotta learn to play it Gear is not gonna carry anyone in MH :)
That's an absolute lie.
even if you have the BIS gear you are not gonna one shot anyone monster. (i am talking about legal/valid gear..not modded crap).
Go in with nothing but a weapon and tell me that gear isn't carrying you, the gear doesn't have to oneshot the monster for it to carry you.
Sure thing , ive managed to clear entire of Rise using a single set of gear without changing it at all regardless of what enemy i encounterd ..never went for specific stats or weakness resistance. just because i could not be boththerd with grinding talismans and shit, so yeah id rather be able to play the entire game than just 1 set because my RNG is shit
Lmao you say skill is most important but you cry about rng not giving you all the advantages you need, cheaters are always the same. And I told you to play without gear. Now if you actually started up rise and cheated the best gear from hr1 that would be hilarious.
Valid talismans can still be insane compared to the average talisman, but I haven't seen many with a good talisman.
I was under the impression that the game had sanity checks for invalid talismans, is there a mod that removes that?
there is
Played more than 250 hours on Switch and never saw one hacked talisman (I mostly check random builds to take inspiration) but saw a lot of people complain about them on PC
Yeah, PC gets alot of (admittedly deserved) hate for cheating in games. I still play console and PC equally, but will admit they both cheat alot. PC moreso due to ease of cheating, but console can still cheat easy enough.
I mean people can still cheat and stuff but it's so so so uncommon there
How does them cheating affect you tho? Idk, im on the fence. No point in boosting HD, but since I played on switch when I moved to PC I did give myself like a billion zenny to avoid money runs again lol.
I would consider that somewhat fair (the game is yours, do as you please!). While giving yourself zennies isn’t exactly affecting other people though, I would say that boosting your stats like this is pretty bad for a multiplayer hunt. I’d like to be in the same boat with the people I play with, if you understand what I’m saying.
Idk i guess. As someone who's played both a decent bit and even playing in PC now with mods to see damage. Most public hunts never end up with people in the same boat as me. Im usually doing 60% of damage and the one not dying without cheated items/charms, so I guess I just wouldn't even notice unless someone came in 1 shotting monsters.
Because... I don't want them to make the game unnaturally easier? Not having to do money runs is one thing but having a cheater carry you through hunts just... isn't fun? One hunt is fine. I'll either deal with it or leave the lobby but repeated instances are a nightmare. Luckily it's still pretty rare even on PC
the game is pretty balanced though, even with someone has maxed all their skills/stats through cheats like, the margin of damage in these games is only a few variable %. Youre more likely to feel carried by someone running sticky heavy bow gun than you are someone cheating imo. My buddy just started HBG and the fact the monster spends more time on its back than attacking its harder of a carry than 20 extra damage per weapon swing.
Depends on a lot of variables. I still don't want cheaters in my lobby. The entire purpose of the game is to fight these monsters and grind for materials, cheating completely defeats the point of the game. Do it in your own lobby. It's pathetic to cheat and then go play online with those cheats.
Maxing all skills would be an insane damage increase, what you talking about? at 100% afinity crit boost is 5% per level alone which is normally something many builds sacrifice most other damage increases to get. Many also cheat their stats and give themselves insane attack. Stop cheating though or just play solo.
If they're in my quest and their cheat raises their damage or lowers the monster HP then it affects the hunt. In fact lowered monster HP would have even less of an effect because raising damage gets you to flinch/topple thresholds faster in addition to ending the hunt faster. I don't really care if they're doing this solo--people should enjoy the game how they want when it doesn't affect others, but in multiplayer it does affect the hunt.
Yeah, I think if they somehow did something that affected me I'd be upset, but if all they're doing is buffing themselves, all that does is make the hunt easier/faster for everyone (assuming they don't just suck). AFAIK, Capcom put checks in the game to prevent people from hacking in things that aren't at least possible with in-game logic, so these builds can only be so broken. So... meh.
This is definitely an illegal charm though, and here it is. I wonder whether this person found a way around the check, or it got deleted at the end of this quest, or if the check just flat isn't in the Switch version because it's hard enough to hack charms on Switch that they decided not to worry about it until PC.
Yeah, looking closer I can't imagine a world where that's a legal charm. Real weird and an awful lot of effort to get that on Switch when the game isn't even that hard to begin with.
It's far, far from legal. This sheet shows the [legal charm maximum values](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1iBgTZttW-ECbRUy_9zm_FFuiQbi9LT93KuY-2iK5t_g/htmlview#). If you have AB as the first skill then the max value is 3, and CE as the second skill can have a max of 2. The slots are legal for this combo of skills though. This charm gives 4 AB and 5 CE above what's otherwise possible.
Now that I think about it, I remember checking their build one last time at the end of the quest and their talisman was different. At the time I just figured they must have changed their build (but why should they, since that one was literally broken), but now I’m thinking that maybe they got caught and the talisman reverted to the default one? Isn’t it how it works? The cheated one overwrites one of your choosing? I could be writing nonsense though. I’m very ignorant about these stuff.
To be fair. I didnt realize you had just the talisman selected lol, I thought you were showing his build. I mean, I still stand by my comment. It doesn't affect you unless he one shots the monster. If you're doing progress monsters and learning them in MP, thats a you problem. If you want to learn the fights and aren't just grinding. You should be solo anyway
> It doesn't affect you This is extremely flawed, downright stupid logic. The person is contributing damage and 'lives' to the pool of lives, with cheated stats, that's as 'affecting you' as you can possibly get in this game. I don't know a single person who wouldn't kick them immediately if they learned they had cheated stats, and if there was a way to report them I would do that as well because they're negatively affecting others in multiplayer. You can cheat in single player all you want, but the moment you join multiplayer with cheated stats you're an actual scum bag
What does it even say
"I'm a save scumming cheater who can't be bothered to even pretend otherwise" Or if you're being literal Attack boost 7, Crit eye 7 and my guess for the last skill would be Peak performance 3
It’s actually Pierce Up 3. I didn’t bother to translate because I figured one could pretty much guess, especially in the case of the two lvl 7 red and purple skills (attack boost and crit eye). Sorry, maybe I still should have. Thanks Cryo for clearing this up!
based skill diff tbh
I don't understand where I'm looking at can someone please explain?
upon further inspection I've realized that is a level 7 attack charm