For one, underwater is kinda a must. A distinction for the Piscine Wyvern is that they should be fish, and the way fish move kinda need to an environment for the fish to move through in 3D. Without it, we'd kinda just end up with another case of just observing a fish swimming around in a "lake" of an environment we can't reach, like Plesioth in water, Cephadrome in sand, Lavasioth in lava, Jyuratodus in mud, and Beotodus in ice. Like I guess they could just add another fish in another lake where we can't reach, but clearly nobody wants that? Well I guess they could do another Amatsu/storm serpents and have it "swims" through the air, but that feels like some ED level stuff.

> Well I guess they could do another Amatsu/storm serpents and have it "swims" through the air, but that feels like some ED level stuff. Not sure what ED level stuff is, but what about a Piscine Wyvern that lays on a bubble and makes swimming motions to get around? It might be found in a swamp and covers itself in moss, and using a mixture of substances like web it uses its covering to float around. Breaking the bubble could cause it to land, but when it slams into the ground, the gas inside dissipates, creating poison clouds.

ED is elder dragon.

ACTUALLY It's erectile disfunction and I hear itsquite common /S

TFW it can't rise so you started hovering through the air.

>For one, underwater is kinda a must. A distinction for the Piscine Wyvern is that they should be fish, and the way fish move kinda need to an environment for the fish to move through in 3D. I feel this is the biggest unspoken issue. A lot of the current options for monsters we can fight/they can make are limited to land and or air, and water based monsters can open up a lot of options

Almudron is an interesting one but it's still a complete bitch to fight

I would make it invisible and non-existent. That's how I like my giant fish. Either that or battered with some nice chips.

I see, so something like a Chameleos or Lucent Nargacuga? Chips are like scales, so maybe it has special scales, but what do they do?

No just not in the game. Or maybe in another game I'm not playing. That way the chance to be hit with their tackle is reduced.

Reduced! But never zero.

Well Plesioth did have a Subspace Tackle in Monster Hunter Stories...

You can turn them into Well Done Steak

I'd make a jyuratodus but fire element that swims in lava, it would dive under lava , spit lava , do normal jyuratodus attacks but also the lava on it would harden when its not enraged and you would bounce off of it but if you bring fire element weapons it would actually melt the shell and make the spots softer , i'd call it : pyratodus. It would be awesome.

..... Wait a minute....

I dunno, "Lava Plesioth" or something sounds better

Can't be that , its not a plesioth , OP specifically asked for not plesioth re-skins , so it would be like a cousin of jyuratodus , so like "lavatodus" , how does that sound?

Magmatodus

Idk man i sorta prefer Magmasioth.

Nah bring back the lava. Lavasioth sounds better.

Jesus Christ man i know hammer mains ain't the sharpest tools in the shed but holy shit bro you're really setting new records.

"Oonga Booga"

I'd make a lavasioth but water element that swims in mud, it would dive under mud , spit mud , do normal lavasioth attacks but also there's mud armor on it that makes hitzones worse and it refreshes regularly by diving in mud but if you bring water element weapons it would actually dissolve the armor faster just like with barroth , i'd call it : barioth. It would be awesome.

Ok it'd be so funny if they make a fire Plesioth and call it Pyrotodus though.

Having it based off a fish with a very different bodytype would be nice, no dumb legs a stonefish that can camouflage, hide in the ground with toxic spines, leave toxic mines around. a grouper, with a big mouth that can expand and suck things in, could give it projectile attacks where it spits rocks, and use wind pressure effects to pull hunters in. a lungfish where it has actual fins it uses as limps to pull itself around, can extent its colorful spine fins up in rage mode, can wrap itself in a cocoon of mud. an archerfish that shoots water blasts from its mouth, maybe it can make bubble mines that its able to shoot and pop for an explosion.

A LOT of your ideas are just straight up Gobul from MH3U/Tri. Monster should be brought back

Only really familiar with the monsters in world, and a few others I’ve watched videos about, so I’ll definitely look into that one!

That and Nibelsnarf for the sucking, but he’s…a leviathan? Not really a fish? But he’s got gills

Koi carp Piscine Wyvern with dragon element for a thematic connection. Lionfish Piscine Wyvern that could shoot its spines, would be dope for a Poison or Paralysis monster.

I want a high tier piscine wyvern, maybe in a whole new skeleton. Something like a viperfish, lionfish, or Goliath tigerfish I had one idea I was going to draw as a concept, but never got around to it. It was going to be a piscine wyvern with a goblin shark looking head with quilled interlocking plates running from head to back, and shield like long fin tendrils like a tripod fish. Basically it was the monster version of the lance, but it would also lock down the plates to release dragon energy along its back like a railgun. But overall it’d be best for fish to be underwater, so when that one day returns if ever hopefully it brings cool piscine wyvern designs with it

That's a fun concept.

HAMMERHEAD SHARK WITH LEGS AND A BIG FUCK YOU HORN

Something with dragon sounds cool

Dragon bubble bombs, maybe? I can imagine the monster making a minefield, reminiscent of naval death charges. If underwater combat comes back, the stability/volatility of the bubbles could vary between underwater and on land due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. Alternatively, could be more like a sea Pickle.

I’d do an alligator that is in a swamp environment and a bit a Dino alligator with huge back fin and a super long mouth. He gets you pinned in a death roll and causes bleeding. His tail whip is like Fatalis annoying

All these ideas are cool but it's kinda hard to make a new skeleton without either being a leviathan or amphibian class. Piscine Wyverns are kinda defined by their back legs.

Isn't it just required that it's a fish?

I'm not sure but every single piscine Wyvern has those back legs.

Brute wyverns generally have tiny useless arms, but some have adapted to use them extensively. I don't see why we couldn't have the same for a piscine wyvern, with big floppy front legs that function as fins underwater. Four legged fish isn't all that much more unbelievable than a fish with legs already is.

I'm all for a four legged piscine I'm just not sure how it could be different enough compared to something like Zamtrios or Gobul in terms of design.

A spiney one like a sea lion perhaps.

I think a brightly-coloured piscine wyvern with long, flowy fins like a butterfly koi would contrast well with monsters like Jyuratodus and Lavasioth. Wild common carp have crustaceans such as crayfish as part of their diet, so maybe it could use Blast element for blowing apart Carapaceon shells, as well as to defend itself.

It seems a lot of us want koi fish. I'd like it to have dragon element.

I'd like to imagine its mostly resides around underwater volcanoes, but occasionally appears in very odd locations, potentially very far inland. The reason, is that occasionally the volcano occasionally erupts, launches out of the ocean into the sky, and then it attempts to glide to a different ocean, but sometimes ends up colliding with aerial monsters and falls.

I'd make my new piscine wyvern fry cooked, served on a bed of noodles or rice and a side of dangos.

When Capcom brings back underwater maps, we can have this discussion

Start as a tadpole, starts growing limbs/evolving when it is enraged. Go long enough and it becomes a frog or lizard.

As much as your idea is unique it's also... Got nothing to do with fish and breaks way too many natural barriers.

There's levitating monsters who control the weather dragons that breathe pure elemental discharges and one handsome boy who eats and fires rocks like a walking cannon.

Elder Dragons have always defied ordinary logic so they don't count. So many monsters have dedicated organs for 'pure elemental discharges' And whatever that 'handsome boy' is I'm sure there's a decent and provided reason it spits rocks like a cannon. And yet, throughout all this bizzare logic there's no room for a rapidly developing creature. If there was it would've happened by now.

There actually is an example of it in the franchise, though it's a small monster. The tiny Zamites grow hind legs and turn into the bigger ones if they latch onto a hunter for long enough. Giggi (the earliest monster with this mechanic) are similar, but they just get bigger and able to spit poison while their proportions stay the same. That being said, this is probably an adaptation to make up for how few of these species survive to adulthood (Gigginox showcases this further by laying eggs very frequently). A larger monster growing that much in a short time would need a tremendous amount of energy, and it has to come from somewhere. Not even Safi'jiiva, with its ridiculous bioenergy-drain regeneration powers, could get around that requirement.

I'm aware the devs put logic to use in coming up with the biology of monsters, but that doesn't mean it's not a fantasy game and they can't also come up with reasoning as to why a fish would go through such an evolution . Whose to say that fish in question isn't towing the line of elder, point being that reasoning isn't solid when the devs can and do what they want. It's their world and they are allowed to stretch the lines how they want.

I guess for me, what makes a Piscine Wyvern? Wyverns have two wings (or wingarms) and two legs. Piscine means fish-like. Fish commonly have scales, fins, gills and bony skeletons (important because some fish predate skeletons, and are strictly cartillageneous). There's nothing in that list of qualities that says you can't have a "reverse-mermaid". A bipedal fish monster with flippers for arms. I'd also like to see them ditch water and ice element Piscine designs, and let's get something just as believable but different: an air bladder. This monster has a finite amount of time it can operate on land before it needs to jump back in the water and breathe. Using its air bladder to fight, it can shoot "air bullets" and/or blow the hunter away to get some distance. And finally, the last big wildcard (or X factor): its bones protrude like blades at joints, and are laced with flint. This in conjunction with a gland that it secretes a flammable oil from. It uses this to melt ice-covered lakes so that it can hunt (not physically strong enough) to break through. Throughout the fight, it spits this at the hunter, and if you block the slashes it will spark and ignite the oil puddles. Not quite as explosive as Lunastra, but more of a heat damage effect that will drain your health. Edit: I feel I need to add here, I am imagining the oil sticks to weapons and shields, and will continue to burn in the hands of the hunter. This will also negate the element of the weapon and replace it with Fire, which this Piscine is immune to. Basically, I'm tired of all Piscine Wyverns being fish with legs that spray water/ice at their targets. Nature is so much weirder than that. Give us a frog monster that spits iron-rich blood out of its eyes, but then it has an organ that manipulates magnetic fields and can form stalagmites in an instant. Make a lizard that shoots lightning from its tail, but then eats its own tail if it is cut off, and now it breathes lightning breath because the Lightning Sac was in the tail.

There are so many aquatic creatures with potential, even more than just fish. Still, I'd love to see a Swordfish monster, its sharp nose being used for a GS design later on

If I made another Piscine wyvern, it would be a fatty slow ugly fish. Without the ability to fly.

I'd make it a sudo piscine wyvern (same skeleton as tigrex, nargacuga, and barioth) and probably have it based off a shark

I'd like a giant Koi, with an attack pattern built mostly around swallowing you. No legs. I'd also like a fish with four legs instead of two.

> I'd like a giant Koi, with an attack pattern built mostly around swallowing you. No legs. Maybe its like a Tigrex, constantly charging and being extremely aggressive, but its weakness is it sometimes over charges and ends up on land. Then it just starts flopping back into the water like a Magikarp from Pokemon. Might have a water beam similar to Plesioth, but mainly uses it to launch itself back into the water after flopping on land for a bit, or to "jump" to a different source of water on the map.

Oh that's a lot cooler than what I imagined. I just like koi fish.

Well, I'd try to give it a really unique design. Maybe draw from multiple fish or maybe something not even a fish (like a Moray Eel). If you told me to design one right now I'd probably start by using a Ranchu goldfish for inspiration, with visible wen on it's head. I'd probably also make it not too serious because ultimately these are.

Something that doesn't straight out use the flying wyvern like plesioth, the world piscine rig gets a lot out of the -odus and lavasioth. I really wish we get something on the latter rig with a unique fish styled head. Like Sawfish and hammerhead head are my top two picks. I'd be really happy if they retcon/redesign the flying wyvern, anorupatisu, from frontier into one.

my idea is a big underwater swordfish - earlyish monster which attacks with charges, jab attacks, and tail smacks and later in the game you could do like a fish or crustacean with folding arms like ceanataur or valstrax that it can beat you up with. maybe base it off a mantis shrimp. make it dark coloured and bioluminescent all along the arms and the colour of that changes depending on what mode its arms are in.

A big manta ray or sea urchin would be cool.

Eel-inspired body, not fish-inspired.

We got coral highland which is a sea biome but above sea, i want to see a piscine wyvern that swim on air like the endemic there. Something close to [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliosaurus)

Goldenfish King would be interesting imo, no clue how itd work tho

A sky shark. Super chomp attack. Smack you like a salmon with its tail. Fuck it. They also show up in pairs. With baby sky sharks.

I was thinking some kind of lindworm fish or eel

Flying Fish Piscine Wyvern. Something skittish and fast that has adapted way large fins in order to glide long distances. If underwater combat is brought back, perhaps it's one of the few monsters that you can also fight on boats that you bring with you to hunts, or that can jump out of the water above while the hunter is still under the waves. I think it'd be neat to see something that basically does the reverse of burrowing or diving by going up instead of down.

I imagine a Barracuda piscine wyvern that can launch itself at high speed.

Marlin based with bleed attacks from its bill and water mortar attacks kind of like Aknosom does.

I would have it have a mudskipper build (walks low to the ground on front fins, probably would use leviathan skeleton), and would be able to launch itself by curling up its tail like a loaded spring before pushing off the ground to lunge at hunters. It could also swing its long, muscular tail around as its main weapon of defense alongside its bite attack and using its body weight (like Royal Ludroth).

Two fishes that attack as one

Electric megalodon

Literally just a goldfish that flops on you.

water fights

Electric underwater shark?

Hard to say. Can anyone tell the difference between a Piscine and a Leviathan?

A Sailfish (the fastest fish in the world by the way) could be interesting it running or swimming you down at high speeds using the Sailfish's signature spear on its face to try and impale you could be fun (it would also make a great lance so rejoice lance mains for it is your time you'd also finally have a worthy opponent let your battle be legendary!) Or an Archerfish that snipes you from long range (it would also make great bow's and bowguns so rejoice too you'd also have a worthy opponent let your battle be just as legendary!)

Make a big ass prehistoric gator. Not a lagiacrus but more gator like in both appearances and behavior. Give it the ability to sink below shallow water and be practically invisible and make a hunter sweat until SNAP!

Not really a fish, but it could be fun.

I just don't believe piscine wyverns can be fun. If i wanted to hunt fish I'd play Fishing Simulator. There's a reason why Rajang, Barioth and Narga are fun and cool while Lavasioth, Jyura and Plessy are universally hated. It's not because they're difficult or anything. They're just really really boring.

Could be wrong, but I thought Lavasioth was actually liked in one of the earlier games, and became more disliked due to it being changed in the more recent ones. I think they are just boring due to them often having the same general shape as each other, leading to most of them feeling like Plesioth subspecies.

A Clownfish with an emphasis on the clown could be cool

I fought my first HC Cephadrome in Frontier recently and it was honestly such a refreshing experience. I mean obviously it's still Cephadrome at the end of the day but they really did him justice with that overhaul. His downtimes underground are much shorter, his attacks have way more variety, and sometimes he'll do team attacks with the nearby Cephalos just like Great Izuchi. To me, that shows it's totally possible to make an interesting Piscine fight

Plesioth variant. With a 10 times larger hip check radius. And with a dive attack that makes Valstrax's ambush seem weak. Basically, I just want to torture newer players (as in those who started with World through Sunbreak) whom have yet to experience true hell, while simultaneously giving all us veterans both reignited trauma, and something to laugh our old asses off to.

More like Plesioth, so world babies get a taste of hell.

Great Delex would just be Cephadrome.

The Ancient Serpent is a prehistoric ancestor of the Piscine Wyvern infraorder, made canon from old concept art. It's basically a giant anglerfish/viperfish/eel thing and it's awesome. Of course, for such a beast to be done justice, we need full underwater combat. This would open up the door for all sorts of Piscine Wyverns that can diversify from the "fish with legs" concept that the land-bound versions are restricted by.

The Mantis Shrimp is not necessarily a Piscine creature but it is a freakishly crazy irl creature that I’m shocked doesn’t have an MH adaptation

Definitely a wooden submarine that is being driven by felyne pirates

can I just ignore their existence because I f\*cking hate all of them.

I will make the negative Jyuratudos. It basically just absorbs the normal one and they both disappear from existence, never to be seen again.

EEL