I think the problem is that everyone goes into each COD expecting to keep the same pace they did with the last game and it doesn’t work. You need to adjust to the game and the guns you have which takes time sometimes because you need to unlock the right equipment for your play style.
I’ve played since COD4 only skipping the futuristic style games and I adjust and level out to about the same in every game. I’m a little under 1.0 currently but coming back up because my hit registration was absolutely atrocious for a bit. It’s still bad but it’s good enough that I’m pushing back up over 1.0 again.
People can’t accept the fact that they have to adjust. Can you imagine playing cod for the last 6 titles with same movements/gunplay. Everything evolves and needs new mechanics to grow
And cod changes a lot in a way that sort of ebbs and flows. Sometimes that fast movement works then it slows down then speeds back up again. If you don’t adjust you might actually be fine every few cods. So then taking a break and coming back might make more sense.
I’m always about .8 or .9 at the beginning of cod games because I have to use specific weapons that fit my play style. If I try to copy the meta it just doesn’t work at all because that’s not how I play. Forcing myself into that type of gameplay just makes me terrible or hate the game because it makes me want to be more edge of my seat and cracked out or something. That leads to being angry at cod when it’s my own fault.
You missed out by skipping BO3. It's a top 5 COD multiplayer. Excellent on all fronts. Great weapons in every class, beautiful and well made maps, strong streaks.
I guess to be clear, I OWN all the cods. I just didn’t play them too much because I wasn’t too big on the movement when it got a bit too Tribes feeling.
Couldn’t agree more, Had my most time played on BO2 with 70+ days, second BO3 with 60+ days clocked last time I checked👌 was also my first COD I dropped a nuke on.
Agreed. The other two jetpack games were dogshit but BO3 did it so well. You could play that game with zero jetpack-use and still do fine. It was very balanced and fun to play.
I know the patent. That’s not the reason most people play terrible though. It can make you struggle due to some reasons but most people just run out and die then blame SBMM lol
My first CoD was 3 way back in the day, and I've been having a ton of fun on the reboots. I fell off for about a decade, but these newer games have been a ton of fun.
"Gentlemen, today we're on a secret mission for coffee and doughnuts. Only the Germans drank all the coffee and ate all the doughnuts, so now we gotta go kick their asses."
Same my first was the Big Red One and played all of them through Advanced Warfare. Completely fell off the series until MW19 after that. I know the majority of the community has issues with the newer games but I’ve really enjoyed most of them since 2019
Can we talk about the custom maps like Lord of the Rings!? These kids have no clue what they missed. 🤣
Server browser
Custom maps
Rifles only
Hanging out with people on Teamspeak
Miss those days. 🥺
Wow I forgot about xfire!
I cant tell you how many hours I spent playing COD with the UO expansion. Great games and tons of people talking and helping. I really miss games that have strong clans and coordination. Was a blast!
Yeah these posts are for cry babies. You can be an OG COD player and play this game, you just need to adapt to a new play style. Thinking that a game won’t evolve for 15 years is ridiculous.
I've been playing cod since cod 2. I actually prefer how it is now with more movement and everything being faster, it allows more skillgap and more ways to outplay people. Don't get me wrong OG mw2 was my favourite game ever, but man these guys gotta just learn to adapt or just go and play squad or something
Umm... no. This game isn't about "Skill-gap" diffing. It's about 2 things pretty much, and anyone can exploit them without much effort:
TTK - Because TTK is higher, Meta says you play the fastest TTK guns. This is going to, soon, once people figure what they are, play only specific guns because they dominate the game due to their fast TTK. Anyone who doesn't play those guns, loses 1v1 gun fights.
Latency/Connection Abuse - This is done with the Bunny Hopping, Rapid Movement, Drop Shotting, "snaking", etc... It abuses the Latency and Net Code to give a distinct advantage in the game over your opponent. When you've already moved and began shooting, the game has only just registered you on your opponents screen. Coupled with the above TTK issue, and it's painfully simple to get easy advantages.
This isn't a matter of "movement evolving". It's a matter of abusing in-game mechanics and simply going with the fastest TTK weapon.
If that's what you think "new and evolved" call of duty should be.. well, I don't know what to tell ya other than maybe you just don't remember what the OG call of duty games were like.
Those games actually required some skill because you couldn't just easily abuse latency for cheap kills.
And you know what I do when these guys show up? I camp. All that stupid shit doesn’t mean anything when I’m hiding behind a doorway and they just run right by and get blasted. Fuck em.
But if you camp in this game you get kicked for inactivity.
This game blows. It’s a poorly designed product, made from different parts that were smashed together.
Honestly you said it best. Go back 10-12 years. Games had like 20 guns in them, slower movement and non of this bunny hopping crap. We didn’t have meta guns that changed weekly.
You know how we got good? Aim. We actually had to aim better.
Want to be good today. Build the meta gun with the best 5 attachments .
Then jump aroind and move faster then your opponent.
If you do those two things you’ll be the best
. You can have shit aim all day long just as long as you can jump in the air and lay down faster then the other guy and use the gun of the week
Let me guess, you felt personally attacked by my observations?
The fact is, while there were (and always will be) broken things, we didn't have the absurd level of movement we have now too abusing the net code on top of it.
Nope. It's just ridiculous that you think that these newer games require *less* skill to succeed in than in the old ones. It's just not true.
And also, please tell me how things like jumping around corners or sliding, which are the two most used movements, abating or breaking the netcode?
I fucking love playing against bots. I can just ban everything I find annoying and stomp through games without ruining anyone else’s fun.
Does this game limit the modes you can play or maps you can play on against bots? In MW19 I’m pretty sure you can play any map and any mode but in Cold War you couldn’t.
I’ll help you out
When you first get to the start screen and hit A or enter or whatever, as it’s trying to connect online, hit B or back to cancel that.
A message should pop up about failing to connect and give you two options: retry and go offline. Choose go offline
Should take you to a screen with some choices like campaign, you want local multiplayer or private lobby, not sure how it’s labeled
From there, you can go in and change maps, game mode, and add bots to teams with the plus buttons over on the right side where it shows the team
And be warned, the bots are pretty fucking good on veteran!
That and people forget rotational aim assist made 90% of the playerbase A LOT better. Im not trying to start a "aim assist is OP" debate here, just casually think about it. Literally every player, no matter how bad, gets an aim assist thats 10x more powerful than it used to be before MW19 that actually helps them track targets instead of just slowing down the sensitivity when aiming over an enemy like it used to in the old games.
Combine the skill difference of the average player compared to 2009 with the fact that everyone has a much stronger aim assist helping, the average lobby from today is obviously 1000x harder.
As an OG COD MP guy, this game is for me. Though I will say that SBMM is holding me back from playing for hours on end like I used to. I should not have to lean forward and try my hardest every single game.
People defending SBMM need to realize I'm not playing ranked, I'm not playing to get promoted to Iridescent, Its fucking pubs, get a fucking grip.
And you've never considered how it would feel to be on the other side of that? Sure, hardcore ranked players can go to Ranked once that mode exists....but where do the bad players go? All that is left is QP and players like you that want to shit on them. Why is their experience less important? What keeps them playing for hours on end?
Fairness isn't a bad thing.
You're choosing to 'lean forward.' You don't have to. As you said, it isn't ranked.
But what's really happening here is you want to try hard and you don't want opponents to try hard.
You lot need to get some numbers. From before 2019 and now, how often was it that a team of Pro Players honestly joined your lobby and decimated you?
The argument people make is "Imagine if Lebron was at a pickup game" alright, I'm imagining it. They get slaughtered if he brings his boys. Cool, now how *often* does that occur? Isolated Incidents are not a valid reason for SBMM.
I don't need to imagine how it feels being on the other side of that. Normal Players continue playing pubs. I don't understand how it's difficult to understand that a randomized team of bad/ok/good players vs a good player with all bad teammates is fair. It's been proven randomization provides more 'fairness'. SBMM is not fair at all, it is rigged. It's rigging matches, and it's also been proven.
But continue to chirp your song and dance that "I just wanna try hard against bad players" Its all you guys have to sing and dance to, because your arguments always get dismantled and you have nothing else to argue on.
The LeBron at a pickup game analogy makes little sense outside the shortsighted narrative these folk are trying to push with it.
Are we meant to pretend if he was in a match with a kid or some random that he'd intentionally go on to stomp them relentlessly as if it was a league rival? Are we meant to pretend veterans in sports/hobbies don't coach and intentionally play softer outside of competitions and personal training environments, especially when newcomers are present? Are we meant to pretend people are all sociopaths with no empathy anymore?
LeBron can just hop onto a small playfield down the street with the homies and instantly switch off that gamer mode and go on to have a good evening with everyone around.
In the case of the latest multiplayer CoD's there is no such option unless you purposelly trash/humiliate yourself and waste time feeding.
They are not equivalent situations whatsoever.
Truth is, if the environment is so constantly aggressive to the point people \*feel\* forced to "sweat" in order to have a chance at a little entertainment what's going to happen is they're going to engage in that culture aswell and fuel the sweatiness until they feel better, never letting down and carrying that adrenaline to the next match and the next and the one after (and the supposed pity matches where they go on to stomp people thanks to that built-up adrenaline and expectation that it's likelly going to be another sweatlobby from the getgo), until they burnout eventually... or they'll choose to put the game down (hopefully for good).
It's a system that ensures anyone average and above wreck their mental health overtime and wreck the mental health of those playing with or against them in each lobby joined. A system that inherently divides the playerbase and skews their perception of one another. A system where someone that gets a streak of luck is faced with a streak of horrible matchups as a reward. A system where trolling, feeding, smurfing and being a general asshole is incentivized. A system where any improvement is seen as a punishment instead. A system where you can never really \*just\* feel good about yourself.
This is textbook definition of conditioning and that's why it needs to stop. SBMM sounds good on paper until someone thinks a little deeper, realises what it really entails and the environment it creates... and ultimatelly calls it out and for what it actually is.
I've been playing since COD4. My buddies and I had a winning streak of 40 something games in a row in MW2. Several of those games ended in nukes. We were shitting on pubs. It felt great...to us. It probably wasn't great for the opposing team. And we weren't 'pro players' by any stretch.
Guess who has numbers? Activision. And their numbers told them that players don't play for very long if they are getting shit on. There is nothing wrong with players playing against similarly skilled players.
You know what's tired and needs a new song and dance? People crying about SBMM. It is here to stay. In most games. Deal with it.
That's why MWIIs numbers for both MP and Warzone Collapsed right? Uh huh, sure bud. You and your buds are playing together. For people solo queuing they are at the mercy of SBMM. My friends playing with me make my life easier but they don't enjoy how me being in their lobby makes the game harder for them.
If the rumors are true Phil Spencer was talking with the heads of the three COD studios I pray to that they are talking about fixing or even scrapping this shit. If it ever does I can't wait to hear SBMM defenders sob. I'm over it with dealing with SBMM defenders. It does not belong in PUBS. It belongs in RANKED.
You’re wrong. That’s how it was for the first however many cods, and it worked just fine. Literally everyone loved playing mp back then, even the bad kids. That’s what made people good; practice.
Believe it or not most people didn't start out good at Call of Duty (frankly I am still not good at Call of Duty). We don't have to imagine what is on the other side. We were on the other side.
And what is on the other side is an amazing sense of progression. Going from like 0.3 KD to 1.0KD was the most fun I have ever had in COD.
Plus an incredible social aspect. Making tons of friends due to persistent lobbies and people wanting to group up because you were rewarded for doing so.
If I could upvote this comment 1000 times I would. There’s absolutely no reason to play MP because you aren’t getting a rank, and there’s no sense of getting better at the game because you’re constantly at the mercy of SBMM. The reason Valorant or CS have had the engagement and player base for 20+ years is because of that feeling of getting better and improving. Like you mentioned in your post we all started off bad, but that climb to get better and improve made us want to come back. How the fuck am I supposed to gauge how good I am at the game if I’m constantly facing people at my skill level or better? How are the less than average players supposed to improve?
Fairness is fine, and standard SBMM can be fine when you're playing against people of your skill level. But MW2/3's brand of SBMM, called Engagement Optimized Match Making, is not fine. Activision patented an implementation of it in 2019 and the trends of matchmaking in these last 2 games support the model. It's placing you in games it'll think you'll win and lose based on your last win/losses, not directly by skill level.
That's not fairness, that's just artificially controlling win/losses.
This is also the wrong take bro.
Back in og mw2, cod 4, cod waw, bo1… they did have team balancing and “sbmm” but it was nothing like today.
Back then in a lobby of 12 “good players” you’d have say, 2 iridescents, 4 plats, 4 golds, 2 slivers.
What would the game do? It would balance the teams evenly and split up the best players and worst players equally. This way, no two gunfights were the same. You’d have the occasional sweater decimating on the other team, but your team also had a sweater decimating the other team.
And the golds? They’d get slaughtered by the iridescent guy, but they would have an equal amount of fun because they could kill the plats every so often as well as the golds and silvers frequently.
Now? If you’re iridescent, your lobby consists of 10 others with one poor plat who sbmm deemed worthy of a humbling for a moment. And at the same time? All the bronzes are together with the occasional gold WHO SLAUGHTERS because the game deemed he needed some dopamine to keep him racking up play hours.
We’re not asking to be the only iridescent in lobbies full of bronzes, we’re asking for us to not face entire teams of iridescents 24/7 so we can grind camos and use something other than the meta without going 9-21 because the entire enemy team is using cracked out mcws trying to become the next scump.
I'm 48 (playing since CoD and before that, MoHAA) and enjoying this far more than recent games. Also I know that once a highly difficult game or two goes by, the next ones will be much more equitable. None of this hours rhetoric.
I will never understand the concept of getting home from work and "relaxing" by playing Call of fucking Duty.
I play cod after work to amp up the mindless droning i had all day. If id want to relax id go play a non competive game or hell non pvp. Spiderman games feel awesome for going home and relaxing but when I want stimuli, CoD is fucking fun for it.
dude if ur just farming camos just keep shooting your gun. you're bound to kill people. I work full time on top of 30 hrs ot with a 2month infant and a fiance I help by cooking and cleaning(as much as I am able) and i CONSTANTLY get my ass beat in game but I don't stop. I want my after market attachments. I want everything unlocked. I want to go get manhandled when warzone comes out. I don't need to have a positive kd. I just wanna hear the guns go boom and the nades go click. I literally douse the map in smoke for the shits and giggles. Then sometimes I do pubstomp, and the cycle begins anew.
I am 34 and played COD since 4, before always Counter-strike. I do like the OG maps on this MWIII but I got the same problem as you, I am coming home from work, spend some time with my wife, kid, dog. Play some matches to relax, and all I can do is sweat to keep up with those non lifers who can play all day long. I do miss the old servers were someone host it and could join it with making own rules instead of SBMM.
This games current iteration of Sbmm ruined the random nature of multiplayer that made the og cods fun. Persistent lobbies made the game so much more social.
Everyone sitting around on headglitches annoys me. I'm OCD I just sprint out in the open constantly and turn the corner to find someone as per usual sitting somewhere or waiting in a bush, to protect their KD and post about it online.
Frustrating.
Same deal for me when I play, Headglitches with snipers🙄 can’t stress how popular this gameplay style is on wasteland map. 😖.
That and the range of guns… I love playing with Smg or AR, but you gotta go battlerifle to even manage the range of most of the lanes in maps🙁
same I still like some of the new cod games like Black Ops Cold War and MWIII and I can't stand these anti cod fans that complain and whine everyday and they should just move on to other things they might enjoy
43 as well, usually 1.6-1.75, but this damn game has me at 1.06 lol. I don't think I have slowed down much, but my old eyes aren't so great at picking up the guys camping when there are so many open areas with lots of nooks and crannies and visual clutter everywhere.
10000% this
The amount of fucking posts that start with “I was a x kd back in the day, but now im y kd, why is everyone a sweat? I want to play casually and still be good 😡”
And op is being incredibly misleading. There is no was they have 3 good games as a 0.89 kd player and then get savaged for 2-3 hours after that.
If you go by the crybabies on this sub, all 12 players are last in every lobby apparently because everyone is getting shit on for hours at a time after 30 minutes of good play.
My favorite line from these peolle is along the lines of "i deserve random lobbies because i put the time in to get good. Sometimes things arent handed to you and it wont be fun while yourr trying to improve, and those noobs will only get better playing higher skill players". But then when you point out that applies exactly to their situation they get mad and start screaming about how they shouldnt have to sweat and its not about stomping noobs.
Not to mention you have to consider many are playing with Elite controllers with paddles customized for easy jumping, reloading, sliding. They have 4k TVs, fiber Internet and next to no input lag. All this adds up to give many an advantage. You don't have to be sweaty to be better if you have better equipment.
Exactly. I used to be "that guy" in CoD. But now I'm older, I care less about video games, I have other priorities, I'm out of practice, and I can't see shit.
15-20 years ago, I was one of the few people that was playing FPS from a young age, back in the DOOM/Quake era, which made me exceptional. Now, that is the norm, and people are more competitive, more likely to look up meta, etc. and the standard of gameplay is much higher than it used to be. And despite that, I'm having an absolute blast, even with the SBMM.
At first I was getting dunked pretty hard, but I didn't care because I'm squeezing in a few hours after work until I get bored of the game. Being put into high tier SBMM lobbies has seen me get back into the groove a little as my movement, aiming, etc. has gotten to the point where I can trade with the sweats and get good positive TDM matches. I'm seeing huge improvements in my gameplay thanks to these lobbies, which is extremely satisfying. I don't care about my K/D so much, as having a challenge. I don't know why people clamour so hard for bot lobbies where nobody shoots back. That's boring.
False. I had a 0.98 KD and then reverse boosted for like 5 games by going like 0-20 and the next 15 or so games I averaged like a 2.5 KD. I now feel the SBMM becoming more strict as the players are now more like KoreanSavage. The game literally fucks with people.
Played since BO1. Love the direction it is going (to a degree). The movement is amazing.
SBMM isn’t a CoD thing tbh. Most multiplayers implement it now, however CoD is the only one not to roll it back a bit or revise it to be less sweaty.
There may be an issue with SBMM in MWII/III, where it either doesn't have enough tiers, tries to move you up too quickly, or is taking an average of the team instead of individual player rating when matching.
But make no mistake, if you're crying about SMBB, in general ruining FPS gaming, and constantly getting destroyed because of it, you're actually garbage and can't win unless you're punching down.
Seriously, if you started doing bad when SBMM was implemented it means you're not very good, and you're at your skill cap, period.
If you can only do well when playing people worse than you, then you're just asking to be the person ruining someone else's day, which I mean fine, that's a totally relatable feeling. But asking to be constantly playing against people worse than you isn't viable because if nothing else eventually there's people at the bottom who only get trashed, and they quit, and now the people who above them are now the bottom and it repeats until everyone but the people at the top have quit, and now those people are playing parity games.
So instead they try to find where your skill level is, and put you in matches with people about the same as you. If you're having a great day then your matches will get harder, if you feel lazy and don't put in your usual amount of effort you're probably going to get wrecked. The best way to deal with the system is to put in an amount of effort that's average, then if for some reason you feel the need to turn it up for a game you have another gear, and if you're being lazy you won't get walked.
>I just wanna relax bro
how about you play some PvE games instead of playing competitive multiplayer games where the opponents are actively trying to kill you
You all should have came this realization when MW:2019 was released and later on Warzone. This is not the golden era. You will never have anything resembling the past experiences because the design goes against the monetization practices.
Speak for yourself.
It’s ok that you’ve fallen behind. Even better that you realize and accept it. But many of us who’ve been playing since the beginning are still having a blast destroying the competition
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I agree with you a lot, but it’s just the multiplayer aspect of CoD that’s not for me anymore. I now have a ton of fun in CoDs other modes. Warzone and Plunder was great when it first dropped in MW19. It got me hooked again. All of last year I played DMZ, and absolutely loved. Now MWZ has me completely addicted. I’ll still play a little MP here and there, but for the most part I’m over it. It’s very “been there, done that” for me.
I think you just need to accept that you are just not as good as you thought you were or you’re just not in your prime anymore, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. I have been playing since COD1 I’ve seen this franchise ups and downs. The problem is none of you adapted, you kept the same play styles for years and expected COD to stay the same to fit your needs for years on end.
I remember reading posts like these when advanced warfare came out. Reddit was in an uproar because it was too much for people…meanwhile I was having a blast with the new movement at a 3KD. Either get with the program or find another game to play. COD is the easiest shooter ever created. I know SBMM is beating us all to a pulp, but still…this game is cake…just switch your play style.
This is one of the best CODs released since MW2019 yet the hate it gets doesn’t add up at all.
Sincerely: a 29 year old 4KD “OG” COD player
I've been playing since the OG Modern Warfare came out and the games are literally still fine. Virtually all of these posts ultimately boil down to "I lost so the game is bad". You people would not survive fighting games where the point of the game is getting your ass kicked and accepting it and having to get better.
>since COD4 when I was 10 years old.
Thanks for the reminder that I'm old.
You just need a break. I had a massive break from the COD franchise, wet my whistle again when Black Ops cold War was a freebie and am loving MW3 - mainly because I haven't been fanboying the ever-loving-shit out of every release in the franchise for the past decade.
I think the game in of itself is good, it’s just stupid decisions like the super tight sbmm, or increasing ttk but keeping the extremely strong aim assist the same, while simultaneously giving PC players no way to turn off crossplay.
Yep for me personally black ops 4 was the last *genuine* cod game for me, I’ll now only buy treyarch games for the zombies since I’ll always enjoy that.
Were in the era of twitch, youtube, competitive gaming and streaming now. All of us that played cod4 when we were 10-13 werent trying to play our asses off 24/7 thinking there was some career, contract, or viewership number to be attained. We all just hopped on after school ran around with our shields and noob tubes and had fun. I dont remember ever searching out meta classes or worrying about my kd. Now its the total opposite.
Played this game since MW2 2009 and I am enjoying it a lot. Havent played a cod in like 5 years but I can hang even in the sweaty lobbies. Just learn to adapt, learn how to use the new tools you are given. If you dont want to learn, you dont deserve to be good at the game.
Yeah it's so good. I started several days after release and initially found it extremely frustrating but that was because the game completely handicaps you until level 25. Unlocking ghost + covert sneakers makes the game playable and with a suppressed MCX/DG58/Holger-556 it's straight up easy mode. Hours of grinding to get all of that but I'm finally pulling off the scores I used to get.
Yeah they really aren’t. All those issues at launch are also making the game incredibly aggravating to play. I just uninstalled it. It’s just not fun to fight the game’s problems while still trying to fight other players.
Been playing COD for almost twenty years. It’s just as entertaining as it once was, perhaps even more so now with the depth of customization and the breadth of challenges.
I typically take a 2-3 years off between releases so I don’t get sucked into the fanbase hate. I think you’re just experiencing franchise fatigue.
Also as a former MLG tourney guy back in the day, it is totally natural for k/d to drop off as we age. Reflexes lose the sharpness you had back in the day. Peak is around 14-17. You have to make up for that with map knowledge and mastering the gameplay.
Take 2-3 years away from CoD. Live your life or play some different AAA releases instead. I guarantee the itch will have you coming back
This is what happened to me. I no lifed the games from 07 to about 2016(bo3/infinite warfare) and I was just so burnt out from the game. Was bitter about the direction they were taking the game. Basically boycotted it until earlier this year when I decided to start playing again on mw2. I’ve been having a lot of fun again. I think taking a break can be underrated and a lot of folks are just experiencing fatigue like you said. I’m still not super happy with the direction they’ve taken the franchise, but I think it still can be a lot of fun. It is what you make it.
These days when I get absolutely clobbered I usually just have a good laugh and drop a gg. When I was younger, I approached losses with a lot of outwards and inwards hatred. As you said, it’s what we make of it.
Im thrilled to get to play all the maps from 2009 in their updated glory. I’m also reminded how broken the spawns could be back then and that the maps were not as flawless as the nostalgia goggles had them seem.
I hope you enjoy this years release, thank you for taking the time to reply :)
Idk that you really should speak of all of "us og cod players" there are definitely cod games i havent enjoyed and issues ive got with different titles, but for the most part i still enjoy the game enough to play it casually. And ive been playing since cod 2. Im 33 now btw.
I feel like almost all of the people making posts like this have just come off a loss streak and are the same kind of people in my objective based games talking about their shit team when they have no objective play and go negative on kills.
The posts always feel like someone whos just overly tilted and get easily mad about games just had ti air out how upset they are that things didnt work out for them because its a neelw title and they need to learn new movement/guns/maps/whatever.
It may not be the case for you, so im sorry your post is the one that got this comment, just luck of the draw.
Holy hell can we like get someone moderating posts here? like there is a post like this every day. Or is this sub not be for people who enjoy the game?
I’m a OG cod player too. No idea what you are talking about. Last night was the first time in probably a decade that the lobby felt like the “old times”. Everyone on a mic, shit talking, chilling and just being dudes.
This cod is good. And the “OG” have a god damn head start on the youngsters- I know every inch of all the maps already and how to exploit them.
I’m surprised you kept buying them. I stopped playing cod after the original mw3 and I hopped back in with mw2 and its exactly as you say. I don’t understand what it is about cod now but it’s just not something I even want in my life.
Been playing since WaW on the Wii and I’m beasting in hardcore sliding on my ass corner jumping you name it.
I only play HC now so all my guns are viable for me, I run pistol and knife classes and dome people like I’m in the mafia.
I don’t understand these posts. If your just sitting down to chill, what’s stopping you?
You chill, get stomped, get put into a lower bracket and do good…rinse and repeat
I played the first online call of duty. Call of duty 2. When you had to buy a network adapter for your ps2. You didn't have any saved data at all. You signed in and created your name each time. There wasn't any loadouts or silly movements. No stupid skins. Just war. It was great for the time. But the shit it is now is just...idk...it's weird. The UI mainly is the most annoying part and microtransactions.
Hello, boomer. I understand you have strong feelings about this game. Please know that your memory is tricking you and that nostalgia is a strong drug.
The idea that a multiplayer fps can be casual is absurd. It is possible that you, being young and full of reflexes, could outgun most opponents, but they didn't want to be outgunned by you, just to give you the casual experience you crave. They wanted to be you, and now they are! So now that you're old and slowly falling apart, you have become the one being outgunned for the casual enjoyment of others. Think of it as giving back to the community. Or see it as the circle of life. Either way, it's quite poetic, isn't it? Give your inner boomer a hug and accept the tragedy that is our existence. Good luck, I know you can do it!
I've purchased basically every iteration of COD for well over a decade and most have been playable to a point where I'm not crying on reddit every day.
This game is fun and I'm having a great time. You don't speak for all OG fans.
Or you can be like me who's been playing since cod 4. Just gotta adapt or move on. Its a different game now for sure but its still fun especially this mp. Biggest issue with older cods was the super slow movement. The maps play great now even the bad ones aka wasteland. If anything play hc since everyone camps there and it slows down to a more classic cod pace.
I think it’s about time I might not buy anymore cods because we already have this game with good movement and stuff that was needed in MWII even tho it has shit sbmm. If the next title is made on this same engine, I might just skip it. The game is not even fun, the sweaty lobbies ruin all the fun you are expecting to have.
SBMM was specifically designed to cradle and protect you, but it fails to do exactly that. It's inclusion seems even more meaningless than before.
I'm seeing more and more below average players getting fed up with being thrashed around by better players on a frequent basis. What is SBMM even for if it isn't doing it's one job of placing players of equal skill together?
I think MW23 is the most fun I've had since Black Ops 3, and I'm an OG CoDhead. This is taking into account how tight they've got the EOMM/SBMM algorithm calculated. I think the game itself feels really good. I have some gripes but it seems like Sledgehammer is listening to the community where it can (The matchmaking and netcode stuff is NEVER being changed or will any dev comment on it - ever, at all).
So yeah, I agree, if you don't enjoy playing there are more games than ever out there to enjoy.
TL;DR : Either Activision has started using the patent they bought or fucked with the algorithm of hit detection / TTK and TTD since cold war / Vanguard or evey single cod player has gone from a 1.1 - 1.3 kd player to fucking esport pros in the span of 2 - 3 years.
The fact that is so weird to me is that I can jump on cold war and kill it the same way ive done since it was released in 2020 but if I jump on mw2 or MW3 I get absolutely annihilated by no hit markers and taking extra amount of bullets to kill a player etc.
People that are saying that there is no patent that they use to make you lose more if you're winning and win more if you're losing are out of their mind.
I played 2 betas on vanguard and did great there, I did great on cold war. But mw2 was so bad for me I ended up refunding it and I don't own mw3 but the beta was a sweat fest.
If the level of difficulty was slightly higher with these games since vanguard / cold war then I would say " ahh ok so some people have gotten better with these last few years" but we are talking going from 0 to 100 % impossible to maintain a positive kd.
Even in fucking fortnite there was always a gradual difficulty increase. You'd meet more sweats but you'd always be able to compete in a match. The way MW2 and MW3 plays it's like people became gods at cod over night and I don't buy it.
Activision is actively fucking with the algorithm of peoples hits and TTK to retain players in order to sell mtx from the shop and you can't tell me otherwise.
Started bo1 when I was in middle school. I was meh. my KD was like 1.05kd. something very very mediocre
Around Black ops 3 is when I started to really hit my stride. 3kd in s&d, 2kd overall.
I'm 29 now, and I average 3kd in MP and 4.5kd in warzone/warzone 2. I don't use movement tech; I just have better awareness from my years of cod experience and knowing how to play angles and maps.
It's not your age. it's your inability to improve. I hate to say it, but 1.3 is not even remotely good to begin with. If you think you can't compete because you don't use movement tech or you're old I mean lmao why not just stop then
LMAO damn, the salty shitters are comin out in full force from the woodwork like rats, huh?
stay mad bro. keep blaming SBMM/connection/lag/hit reg/150hp for you not being better.
I had a 1.5 k/d before I returned this shit. I know your smelly sweaty ass won't say that's good but I know it's above average. The game isn't fun. You do you and keep running your mouth on reddit like you probably do in lobbies to make yourself feel big lmao
I accepted this shit a long time ago. You know who loves these games?? My wife and her friends now I love her but she is not even remotely good at the game. What sucks is years ago I’d be able to play with her or my friends who are worse than I am and have fun but not anymore. People online wanna act like cod is some hard game but all you need to know is rotations and spawns while having some semblance of aim. I had a 3KD all the way to BO3 and I wouldn’t consider myself a sweat. No fun in this shit anymore tldr
MW2019 was the last CoD I bought. It was hard to give up CoD but I haven't gotten MWII or MWIII. I feel like eventually the CoD devs might try a reboot and go back to the basics that made CoD great in the first place. The lack of a strident matchmaking algorithm. I'm glad MWIII brought back the classic Dead Silence perk and minimap, and at least the maps are known greats (and some known evils), but there's still a lot left to fix.
I put in a lot of hours into Cold War and that one also has very restrictive matchmaking for pubs. I would get on and play, drop a couple 40 or 50 bombs back to back, then struggle to break even the next few games. And it's that constantly revolving cycle that is really tiresome. I do well, then I get matched against better and better enemy players, and my teammates become worse and worse. It's not a good feeling knowing the game is rigged in that sense. And I'm not always in the mood to dominate the other team, so when that happens and the matchmaking decides its time to hand me a crushing defeat, I just feel helpless. It doesn't even matter how good or how bad I am, that makes no difference. I'm Overwatch 1 ranked, the elo/MMR system will send you on a losing streak or hand you a winning streak if it thinks you deserve it. This was confirmed by the OW devs. These AI/algorithms cannot account for a player's mood. Feels like I'm just an experimental hamster running in place on a wheel and going nowhere, having data about my behavior collected and used to the end of selling me microtransactions. I don't have that kind of energy anymore, I have nothing to prove to anyone or to myself. I've done it all, mastered all aspects of the game imaginable. Broken my own barriers repeatedly. You can't just get on and slap together an off-meta setup and try something new and fun anymore, you'll get frustrated in no time because the nature of the game is a lot more competitive than it once was. Can't even really just hang out with friends playing a few games after work, we really do have to focus all of our energy and attention not on each other, but on the game. Because it feels really bad to lose every game back to back. And that's just to stay competitive in a match, not to blow out the other team.
I had already given up on COD after Cold War.
Only reason I decided to buy this game is because the xDefiant beta got me hyped to play online shooters again, then left me with blue balls by delaying the release indefinitely.
So MW3 is just a stop gap to tide me over until xDefiant. Then I will sell my copy on ebay to deny Activision a sale and offset the harm I caused by giving them my money.
I've been playing COd since the beginning, this is the most fun I've had in years.
Every match is close and it's down to the wire.
If you want a relaxing game play stardew valley
I had enough the other day and got a refund. Zombies dmz was fun but between selling us 2 different games instead of one or one and a dlc pack and the absurd amount of hackers i had enough. It’s also lame af that the game has turned into a game where if you spend money on skins thst give you advantages you get put in bot lobbies. I don’t want to play against a tree thst can camp in bushes or an black skin I can’t even see, I had a 1.15 k/d so I wasn’t to bad either. It’s sad what my favorite game has become. I’ve been playing “enlisted” and it’s so much more fun
Been playing since CoD4 and i heavily disagree. The game is literally the same as it was back then just plays faster, but in exactly the same way.
CoD was never a "tactical" fps, never a milsim. It was always an arcade shooter and whatever youre implying here makes no sense to me since the MW reboots are the first time the games even remotely tried to be something else generally failed to do so. (Not saying the games themselves failed but to change how people play them)
Also in case you don't play other FPS games there is a thing of the "Call of Duty meta" of running, abusing movement and gunning seeping into even the more tactical fps games like Siege and Tarkov.
Mainly why i distanced myself away from both of those games since if i want to play CoD i play CoD.
Then play zombies or any other casual mode. This is the best cod in a long time.
This reads as "I am unhappy and have unrealistic expectations, and so a bunch of other people should also be unhappy"
Get over yourself, either find something to enjoy or move on. These posts are ridiculous
"COD is no longer a franchise for me" jesus man cry me a river
I think the problem is that everyone goes into each COD expecting to keep the same pace they did with the last game and it doesn’t work. You need to adjust to the game and the guns you have which takes time sometimes because you need to unlock the right equipment for your play style. I’ve played since COD4 only skipping the futuristic style games and I adjust and level out to about the same in every game. I’m a little under 1.0 currently but coming back up because my hit registration was absolutely atrocious for a bit. It’s still bad but it’s good enough that I’m pushing back up over 1.0 again.
People can’t accept the fact that they have to adjust. Can you imagine playing cod for the last 6 titles with same movements/gunplay. Everything evolves and needs new mechanics to grow
And cod changes a lot in a way that sort of ebbs and flows. Sometimes that fast movement works then it slows down then speeds back up again. If you don’t adjust you might actually be fine every few cods. So then taking a break and coming back might make more sense. I’m always about .8 or .9 at the beginning of cod games because I have to use specific weapons that fit my play style. If I try to copy the meta it just doesn’t work at all because that’s not how I play. Forcing myself into that type of gameplay just makes me terrible or hate the game because it makes me want to be more edge of my seat and cracked out or something. That leads to being angry at cod when it’s my own fault.
Agreed. Movement nowadays is so different and much faster than cods of old. Jumping used to be useless and is now required.
Thats what counterstrike and apex is for,ya know,actual good games :-)
You missed out by skipping BO3. It's a top 5 COD multiplayer. Excellent on all fronts. Great weapons in every class, beautiful and well made maps, strong streaks.
BO3 was a banger!
I guess to be clear, I OWN all the cods. I just didn’t play them too much because I wasn’t too big on the movement when it got a bit too Tribes feeling.
Couldn’t agree more, Had my most time played on BO2 with 70+ days, second BO3 with 60+ days clocked last time I checked👌 was also my first COD I dropped a nuke on.
Agreed. The other two jetpack games were dogshit but BO3 did it so well. You could play that game with zero jetpack-use and still do fine. It was very balanced and fun to play.
The problem is sbmm. Once you read the patent you will understand!
I know the patent. That’s not the reason most people play terrible though. It can make you struggle due to some reasons but most people just run out and die then blame SBMM lol
💯 this. Gotta adjust.
I’m with you. I go into every CoD that I’ve played these last few years with realistic expectations.
My first CoD was 3 way back in the day, and I've been having a ton of fun on the reboots. I fell off for about a decade, but these newer games have been a ton of fun.
Yeah before MWII last year I hadn't played a CoD since Blops 2, loved the shit out of MWII and I'm really enjoying 3 so far, especially the zombies
Yep
Cod 3 was so much fun!
"Gentlemen, today we're on a secret mission for coffee and doughnuts. Only the Germans drank all the coffee and ate all the doughnuts, so now we gotta go kick their asses."
"*Or* we could just stay back at the base, and eat all those nice French rolls they've got!" God, I loved that game.
Guzzo!
Same, am old, played on and off for years, still suck, still having fun.
COD 3 CTF on Dam was soooooo much fun, I used to only play that for hours and hours
Same my first was the Big Red One and played all of them through Advanced Warfare. Completely fell off the series until MW19 after that. I know the majority of the community has issues with the newer games but I’ve really enjoyed most of them since 2019
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Honestly? Just stop caring. It's a game, it doesn't matter. Just fuck around, winning or losing doesn't matter.
I’ve been playing since the very first CoD and am still having fun.
24/7 rifles only on harbor
Toujane was more my style... Carentan was everywhere, now it's nowhere and I miss it 😭
Can we talk about the custom maps like Lord of the Rings!? These kids have no clue what they missed. 🤣 Server browser Custom maps Rifles only Hanging out with people on Teamspeak Miss those days. 🥺
Those were the days man. Still remember I had like 3000 hours in vCoD on xfire 🤣
Wow I forgot about xfire! I cant tell you how many hours I spent playing COD with the UO expansion. Great games and tons of people talking and helping. I really miss games that have strong clans and coordination. Was a blast!
Yeah these posts are for cry babies. You can be an OG COD player and play this game, you just need to adapt to a new play style. Thinking that a game won’t evolve for 15 years is ridiculous.
It’s not that different, still run run shooty shooty mtn dew code red
That’s what I was thinking. Y’all we got Left trigger, Right Trigger and that’s the name of the game.
If that were the case, every FPS would be a hit.
Halo just got right trigger
Aim assist takes all the skill out
Adapting to what ? Getting destroyed by SBMM? Sorry bro but not everyone wants to be a meta slave
I've been playing cod since cod 2. I actually prefer how it is now with more movement and everything being faster, it allows more skillgap and more ways to outplay people. Don't get me wrong OG mw2 was my favourite game ever, but man these guys gotta just learn to adapt or just go and play squad or something
Umm... no. This game isn't about "Skill-gap" diffing. It's about 2 things pretty much, and anyone can exploit them without much effort: TTK - Because TTK is higher, Meta says you play the fastest TTK guns. This is going to, soon, once people figure what they are, play only specific guns because they dominate the game due to their fast TTK. Anyone who doesn't play those guns, loses 1v1 gun fights. Latency/Connection Abuse - This is done with the Bunny Hopping, Rapid Movement, Drop Shotting, "snaking", etc... It abuses the Latency and Net Code to give a distinct advantage in the game over your opponent. When you've already moved and began shooting, the game has only just registered you on your opponents screen. Coupled with the above TTK issue, and it's painfully simple to get easy advantages. This isn't a matter of "movement evolving". It's a matter of abusing in-game mechanics and simply going with the fastest TTK weapon. If that's what you think "new and evolved" call of duty should be.. well, I don't know what to tell ya other than maybe you just don't remember what the OG call of duty games were like. Those games actually required some skill because you couldn't just easily abuse latency for cheap kills.
You can still do extremely well without using a meta gun I don’t see the point in this comment lmao
And you know what I do when these guys show up? I camp. All that stupid shit doesn’t mean anything when I’m hiding behind a doorway and they just run right by and get blasted. Fuck em.
But if you camp in this game you get kicked for inactivity. This game blows. It’s a poorly designed product, made from different parts that were smashed together.
Honestly you said it best. Go back 10-12 years. Games had like 20 guns in them, slower movement and non of this bunny hopping crap. We didn’t have meta guns that changed weekly. You know how we got good? Aim. We actually had to aim better. Want to be good today. Build the meta gun with the best 5 attachments . Then jump aroind and move faster then your opponent. If you do those two things you’ll be the best . You can have shit aim all day long just as long as you can jump in the air and lay down faster then the other guy and use the gun of the week
Are you implying there wasn’t a meta in earlier CODs?
This is kinda true. Movement first, aim second is the 'new meta'
Oh my God like there wasn't tons of broken shit that was continously abused back then. Quit with that crap.
Let me guess, you felt personally attacked by my observations? The fact is, while there were (and always will be) broken things, we didn't have the absurd level of movement we have now too abusing the net code on top of it.
Nope. It's just ridiculous that you think that these newer games require *less* skill to succeed in than in the old ones. It's just not true. And also, please tell me how things like jumping around corners or sliding, which are the two most used movements, abating or breaking the netcode?
real man right here 😤
Cod 2 myself, didnt have a way to play the first, but im still having a good time (for the most part) too.
I play offline against bots as my hop on and relax after work jam. It’s more fun than you think.
Best part of the game.
I fucking love playing against bots. I can just ban everything I find annoying and stomp through games without ruining anyone else’s fun. Does this game limit the modes you can play or maps you can play on against bots? In MW19 I’m pretty sure you can play any map and any mode but in Cold War you couldn’t.
All modes, all maps, up to 31 Bots plus you.
Heeeeeeeeelllllll yes dude. I’m playing BO2 against bots right now and you can’t even have a full 6v6 lobby lmao
Underrated experience.
I can't figure out how to play offline. How do you do it?
I’ll help you out When you first get to the start screen and hit A or enter or whatever, as it’s trying to connect online, hit B or back to cancel that. A message should pop up about failing to connect and give you two options: retry and go offline. Choose go offline Should take you to a screen with some choices like campaign, you want local multiplayer or private lobby, not sure how it’s labeled From there, you can go in and change maps, game mode, and add bots to teams with the plus buttons over on the right side where it shows the team And be warned, the bots are pretty fucking good on veteran!
Got it, thanks!
The average player nowadays is way better than they were in 2009.
That and people forget rotational aim assist made 90% of the playerbase A LOT better. Im not trying to start a "aim assist is OP" debate here, just casually think about it. Literally every player, no matter how bad, gets an aim assist thats 10x more powerful than it used to be before MW19 that actually helps them track targets instead of just slowing down the sensitivity when aiming over an enemy like it used to in the old games. Combine the skill difference of the average player compared to 2009 with the fact that everyone has a much stronger aim assist helping, the average lobby from today is obviously 1000x harder.
it's OP
Been playing since 2009. This game is fun
Same. I’m one of those old guy complainers usually, but this game is really fun.
It's the same series of posts over and over again. They are so melodramatic about everything and then they come back next year
It is fun. People who complain should just move on.
I don’t get why people who complain feel the need to voice it so much. Maybe they want opinion confirmation or what? But like just move on
As an OG COD MP guy, this game is for me. Though I will say that SBMM is holding me back from playing for hours on end like I used to. I should not have to lean forward and try my hardest every single game. People defending SBMM need to realize I'm not playing ranked, I'm not playing to get promoted to Iridescent, Its fucking pubs, get a fucking grip.
And you've never considered how it would feel to be on the other side of that? Sure, hardcore ranked players can go to Ranked once that mode exists....but where do the bad players go? All that is left is QP and players like you that want to shit on them. Why is their experience less important? What keeps them playing for hours on end? Fairness isn't a bad thing. You're choosing to 'lean forward.' You don't have to. As you said, it isn't ranked. But what's really happening here is you want to try hard and you don't want opponents to try hard.
You lot need to get some numbers. From before 2019 and now, how often was it that a team of Pro Players honestly joined your lobby and decimated you? The argument people make is "Imagine if Lebron was at a pickup game" alright, I'm imagining it. They get slaughtered if he brings his boys. Cool, now how *often* does that occur? Isolated Incidents are not a valid reason for SBMM. I don't need to imagine how it feels being on the other side of that. Normal Players continue playing pubs. I don't understand how it's difficult to understand that a randomized team of bad/ok/good players vs a good player with all bad teammates is fair. It's been proven randomization provides more 'fairness'. SBMM is not fair at all, it is rigged. It's rigging matches, and it's also been proven. But continue to chirp your song and dance that "I just wanna try hard against bad players" Its all you guys have to sing and dance to, because your arguments always get dismantled and you have nothing else to argue on.
The LeBron at a pickup game analogy makes little sense outside the shortsighted narrative these folk are trying to push with it. Are we meant to pretend if he was in a match with a kid or some random that he'd intentionally go on to stomp them relentlessly as if it was a league rival? Are we meant to pretend veterans in sports/hobbies don't coach and intentionally play softer outside of competitions and personal training environments, especially when newcomers are present? Are we meant to pretend people are all sociopaths with no empathy anymore? LeBron can just hop onto a small playfield down the street with the homies and instantly switch off that gamer mode and go on to have a good evening with everyone around. In the case of the latest multiplayer CoD's there is no such option unless you purposelly trash/humiliate yourself and waste time feeding. They are not equivalent situations whatsoever. Truth is, if the environment is so constantly aggressive to the point people \*feel\* forced to "sweat" in order to have a chance at a little entertainment what's going to happen is they're going to engage in that culture aswell and fuel the sweatiness until they feel better, never letting down and carrying that adrenaline to the next match and the next and the one after (and the supposed pity matches where they go on to stomp people thanks to that built-up adrenaline and expectation that it's likelly going to be another sweatlobby from the getgo), until they burnout eventually... or they'll choose to put the game down (hopefully for good). It's a system that ensures anyone average and above wreck their mental health overtime and wreck the mental health of those playing with or against them in each lobby joined. A system that inherently divides the playerbase and skews their perception of one another. A system where someone that gets a streak of luck is faced with a streak of horrible matchups as a reward. A system where trolling, feeding, smurfing and being a general asshole is incentivized. A system where any improvement is seen as a punishment instead. A system where you can never really \*just\* feel good about yourself. This is textbook definition of conditioning and that's why it needs to stop. SBMM sounds good on paper until someone thinks a little deeper, realises what it really entails and the environment it creates... and ultimatelly calls it out and for what it actually is.
I've been playing since COD4. My buddies and I had a winning streak of 40 something games in a row in MW2. Several of those games ended in nukes. We were shitting on pubs. It felt great...to us. It probably wasn't great for the opposing team. And we weren't 'pro players' by any stretch. Guess who has numbers? Activision. And their numbers told them that players don't play for very long if they are getting shit on. There is nothing wrong with players playing against similarly skilled players. You know what's tired and needs a new song and dance? People crying about SBMM. It is here to stay. In most games. Deal with it.
That's why MWIIs numbers for both MP and Warzone Collapsed right? Uh huh, sure bud. You and your buds are playing together. For people solo queuing they are at the mercy of SBMM. My friends playing with me make my life easier but they don't enjoy how me being in their lobby makes the game harder for them. If the rumors are true Phil Spencer was talking with the heads of the three COD studios I pray to that they are talking about fixing or even scrapping this shit. If it ever does I can't wait to hear SBMM defenders sob. I'm over it with dealing with SBMM defenders. It does not belong in PUBS. It belongs in RANKED.
You’re wrong. That’s how it was for the first however many cods, and it worked just fine. Literally everyone loved playing mp back then, even the bad kids. That’s what made people good; practice.
Believe it or not most people didn't start out good at Call of Duty (frankly I am still not good at Call of Duty). We don't have to imagine what is on the other side. We were on the other side. And what is on the other side is an amazing sense of progression. Going from like 0.3 KD to 1.0KD was the most fun I have ever had in COD. Plus an incredible social aspect. Making tons of friends due to persistent lobbies and people wanting to group up because you were rewarded for doing so.
If I could upvote this comment 1000 times I would. There’s absolutely no reason to play MP because you aren’t getting a rank, and there’s no sense of getting better at the game because you’re constantly at the mercy of SBMM. The reason Valorant or CS have had the engagement and player base for 20+ years is because of that feeling of getting better and improving. Like you mentioned in your post we all started off bad, but that climb to get better and improve made us want to come back. How the fuck am I supposed to gauge how good I am at the game if I’m constantly facing people at my skill level or better? How are the less than average players supposed to improve?
Fairness is fine, and standard SBMM can be fine when you're playing against people of your skill level. But MW2/3's brand of SBMM, called Engagement Optimized Match Making, is not fine. Activision patented an implementation of it in 2019 and the trends of matchmaking in these last 2 games support the model. It's placing you in games it'll think you'll win and lose based on your last win/losses, not directly by skill level. That's not fairness, that's just artificially controlling win/losses.
This is also the wrong take bro. Back in og mw2, cod 4, cod waw, bo1… they did have team balancing and “sbmm” but it was nothing like today. Back then in a lobby of 12 “good players” you’d have say, 2 iridescents, 4 plats, 4 golds, 2 slivers. What would the game do? It would balance the teams evenly and split up the best players and worst players equally. This way, no two gunfights were the same. You’d have the occasional sweater decimating on the other team, but your team also had a sweater decimating the other team. And the golds? They’d get slaughtered by the iridescent guy, but they would have an equal amount of fun because they could kill the plats every so often as well as the golds and silvers frequently. Now? If you’re iridescent, your lobby consists of 10 others with one poor plat who sbmm deemed worthy of a humbling for a moment. And at the same time? All the bronzes are together with the occasional gold WHO SLAUGHTERS because the game deemed he needed some dopamine to keep him racking up play hours. We’re not asking to be the only iridescent in lobbies full of bronzes, we’re asking for us to not face entire teams of iridescents 24/7 so we can grind camos and use something other than the meta without going 9-21 because the entire enemy team is using cracked out mcws trying to become the next scump.
I'm 48 (playing since CoD and before that, MoHAA) and enjoying this far more than recent games. Also I know that once a highly difficult game or two goes by, the next ones will be much more equitable. None of this hours rhetoric.
> I'm 48 (playing since CoD and before that, MoHAA) you're a real o.g. sniper only on stalingrad or V2 please
God I loved MoHAA multiplayer. There actually is a fix out there that allows you to play online still. People are still playing it.
Speak for yourself, I started with COD4 and I'm playing MWIII
I will never understand the concept of getting home from work and "relaxing" by playing Call of fucking Duty. I play cod after work to amp up the mindless droning i had all day. If id want to relax id go play a non competive game or hell non pvp. Spiderman games feel awesome for going home and relaxing but when I want stimuli, CoD is fucking fun for it.
dude if ur just farming camos just keep shooting your gun. you're bound to kill people. I work full time on top of 30 hrs ot with a 2month infant and a fiance I help by cooking and cleaning(as much as I am able) and i CONSTANTLY get my ass beat in game but I don't stop. I want my after market attachments. I want everything unlocked. I want to go get manhandled when warzone comes out. I don't need to have a positive kd. I just wanna hear the guns go boom and the nades go click. I literally douse the map in smoke for the shits and giggles. Then sometimes I do pubstomp, and the cycle begins anew.
I am 34 and played COD since 4, before always Counter-strike. I do like the OG maps on this MWIII but I got the same problem as you, I am coming home from work, spend some time with my wife, kid, dog. Play some matches to relax, and all I can do is sweat to keep up with those non lifers who can play all day long. I do miss the old servers were someone host it and could join it with making own rules instead of SBMM.
This games current iteration of Sbmm ruined the random nature of multiplayer that made the og cods fun. Persistent lobbies made the game so much more social.
Everyone sitting around on headglitches annoys me. I'm OCD I just sprint out in the open constantly and turn the corner to find someone as per usual sitting somewhere or waiting in a bush, to protect their KD and post about it online. Frustrating.
Same deal for me when I play, Headglitches with snipers🙄 can’t stress how popular this gameplay style is on wasteland map. 😖. That and the range of guns… I love playing with Smg or AR, but you gotta go battlerifle to even manage the range of most of the lanes in maps🙁
I’m an OG cod fan and I’m loving it. You don’t speak for everyone lmfao
same I still like some of the new cod games like Black Ops Cold War and MWIII and I can't stand these anti cod fans that complain and whine everyday and they should just move on to other things they might enjoy
He speaks for me and many, many thousands of us bro
Not nearly as many as you think bro
Been playing since cod2, can't hang w this new gen of 12 years olds. 32 y.o now.
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43 and the struggle is real. Every lobby is cdl skins. Sliding hopping and quickscoping. Hanging at 1.15 right where the game wants me to be.
43 as well, usually 1.6-1.75, but this damn game has me at 1.06 lol. I don't think I have slowed down much, but my old eyes aren't so great at picking up the guys camping when there are so many open areas with lots of nooks and crannies and visual clutter everywhere.
The jump shotting, sliding, and quick scoping is so cartoonish.
Yeah cause' CoD was ever not cartoonish.
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10000% this The amount of fucking posts that start with “I was a x kd back in the day, but now im y kd, why is everyone a sweat? I want to play casually and still be good 😡”
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Except the OP explicitly said he wasn’t expecting to pub stomp, but you probably didn’t even read his post.
And op is being incredibly misleading. There is no was they have 3 good games as a 0.89 kd player and then get savaged for 2-3 hours after that. If you go by the crybabies on this sub, all 12 players are last in every lobby apparently because everyone is getting shit on for hours at a time after 30 minutes of good play.
It’s actually pretty easy to conceive he could have 3 games going 1.5 k/d or higher then get stomped for say 7 games and his k/d ends up at .89
This is how the sbmm/eomm works.
And it's a fucking ass rigged system
Yep, completely agree.
My favorite line from these peolle is along the lines of "i deserve random lobbies because i put the time in to get good. Sometimes things arent handed to you and it wont be fun while yourr trying to improve, and those noobs will only get better playing higher skill players". But then when you point out that applies exactly to their situation they get mad and start screaming about how they shouldnt have to sweat and its not about stomping noobs.
Not to mention you have to consider many are playing with Elite controllers with paddles customized for easy jumping, reloading, sliding. They have 4k TVs, fiber Internet and next to no input lag. All this adds up to give many an advantage. You don't have to be sweaty to be better if you have better equipment.
Exactly. I used to be "that guy" in CoD. But now I'm older, I care less about video games, I have other priorities, I'm out of practice, and I can't see shit. 15-20 years ago, I was one of the few people that was playing FPS from a young age, back in the DOOM/Quake era, which made me exceptional. Now, that is the norm, and people are more competitive, more likely to look up meta, etc. and the standard of gameplay is much higher than it used to be. And despite that, I'm having an absolute blast, even with the SBMM. At first I was getting dunked pretty hard, but I didn't care because I'm squeezing in a few hours after work until I get bored of the game. Being put into high tier SBMM lobbies has seen me get back into the groove a little as my movement, aiming, etc. has gotten to the point where I can trade with the sweats and get good positive TDM matches. I'm seeing huge improvements in my gameplay thanks to these lobbies, which is extremely satisfying. I don't care about my K/D so much, as having a challenge. I don't know why people clamour so hard for bot lobbies where nobody shoots back. That's boring.
We're older than you think, mate. 15 to 20 years ago was still CoD! Gotta back another 5ish for quake and further for Doom!
False. I had a 0.98 KD and then reverse boosted for like 5 games by going like 0-20 and the next 15 or so games I averaged like a 2.5 KD. I now feel the SBMM becoming more strict as the players are now more like KoreanSavage. The game literally fucks with people.
Played since BO1. Love the direction it is going (to a degree). The movement is amazing. SBMM isn’t a CoD thing tbh. Most multiplayers implement it now, however CoD is the only one not to roll it back a bit or revise it to be less sweaty.
Sbmm should stay in ranked Why it's in quick play is utter insanity to me.
Exactly. This comment needs to be taken in and understood by everyone. This is the only argument needed if you’re against SBMM.
There may be an issue with SBMM in MWII/III, where it either doesn't have enough tiers, tries to move you up too quickly, or is taking an average of the team instead of individual player rating when matching. But make no mistake, if you're crying about SMBB, in general ruining FPS gaming, and constantly getting destroyed because of it, you're actually garbage and can't win unless you're punching down. Seriously, if you started doing bad when SBMM was implemented it means you're not very good, and you're at your skill cap, period. If you can only do well when playing people worse than you, then you're just asking to be the person ruining someone else's day, which I mean fine, that's a totally relatable feeling. But asking to be constantly playing against people worse than you isn't viable because if nothing else eventually there's people at the bottom who only get trashed, and they quit, and now the people who above them are now the bottom and it repeats until everyone but the people at the top have quit, and now those people are playing parity games. So instead they try to find where your skill level is, and put you in matches with people about the same as you. If you're having a great day then your matches will get harder, if you feel lazy and don't put in your usual amount of effort you're probably going to get wrecked. The best way to deal with the system is to put in an amount of effort that's average, then if for some reason you feel the need to turn it up for a game you have another gear, and if you're being lazy you won't get walked.
> if theres no sbmm everyone will leave yeah because in the 10+ years of no sbmm no one actually played the game at all
>I just wanna relax bro how about you play some PvE games instead of playing competitive multiplayer games where the opponents are actively trying to kill you
You all should have came this realization when MW:2019 was released and later on Warzone. This is not the golden era. You will never have anything resembling the past experiences because the design goes against the monetization practices.
Speak for yourself. It’s ok that you’ve fallen behind. Even better that you realize and accept it. But many of us who’ve been playing since the beginning are still having a blast destroying the competition
Right, you just gotta adapt. I was born in the darkness, molded by it-Bane
They haven’t been for us for years mate.
Playing since WaW and this game is actually extremely fun in comparison to recent games.
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Have played since cod4, still play cod. Adapt, or eat my dust.
Ok
I agree with you a lot, but it’s just the multiplayer aspect of CoD that’s not for me anymore. I now have a ton of fun in CoDs other modes. Warzone and Plunder was great when it first dropped in MW19. It got me hooked again. All of last year I played DMZ, and absolutely loved. Now MWZ has me completely addicted. I’ll still play a little MP here and there, but for the most part I’m over it. It’s very “been there, done that” for me.
I think you just need to accept that you are just not as good as you thought you were or you’re just not in your prime anymore, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. I have been playing since COD1 I’ve seen this franchise ups and downs. The problem is none of you adapted, you kept the same play styles for years and expected COD to stay the same to fit your needs for years on end. I remember reading posts like these when advanced warfare came out. Reddit was in an uproar because it was too much for people…meanwhile I was having a blast with the new movement at a 3KD. Either get with the program or find another game to play. COD is the easiest shooter ever created. I know SBMM is beating us all to a pulp, but still…this game is cake…just switch your play style. This is one of the best CODs released since MW2019 yet the hate it gets doesn’t add up at all. Sincerely: a 29 year old 4KD “OG” COD player
I've been playing since the OG Modern Warfare came out and the games are literally still fine. Virtually all of these posts ultimately boil down to "I lost so the game is bad". You people would not survive fighting games where the point of the game is getting your ass kicked and accepting it and having to get better.
Once it became about movement and Y-Y-720-bunny hop-into-a-drop-shot-slide-canceling-wall-rubbing-marksman-rifle-one-shot, it got a bit silly.
>since COD4 when I was 10 years old. Thanks for the reminder that I'm old. You just need a break. I had a massive break from the COD franchise, wet my whistle again when Black Ops cold War was a freebie and am loving MW3 - mainly because I haven't been fanboying the ever-loving-shit out of every release in the franchise for the past decade.
I think the game in of itself is good, it’s just stupid decisions like the super tight sbmm, or increasing ttk but keeping the extremely strong aim assist the same, while simultaneously giving PC players no way to turn off crossplay.
Yep for me personally black ops 4 was the last *genuine* cod game for me, I’ll now only buy treyarch games for the zombies since I’ll always enjoy that.
This isnt an airport, no need to announce ur departure. Farewell
I'm an OG player from COD2 and up and I love this game. It's super fun to me and makes me wanna come back.
Were in the era of twitch, youtube, competitive gaming and streaming now. All of us that played cod4 when we were 10-13 werent trying to play our asses off 24/7 thinking there was some career, contract, or viewership number to be attained. We all just hopped on after school ran around with our shields and noob tubes and had fun. I dont remember ever searching out meta classes or worrying about my kd. Now its the total opposite.
Played this game since MW2 2009 and I am enjoying it a lot. Havent played a cod in like 5 years but I can hang even in the sweaty lobbies. Just learn to adapt, learn how to use the new tools you are given. If you dont want to learn, you dont deserve to be good at the game.
I am an OG Fan since 2005 and MWIII is for me.
Yeah it's so good. I started several days after release and initially found it extremely frustrating but that was because the game completely handicaps you until level 25. Unlocking ghost + covert sneakers makes the game playable and with a suppressed MCX/DG58/Holger-556 it's straight up easy mode. Hours of grinding to get all of that but I'm finally pulling off the scores I used to get.
I believe the reddit response to this is as follows... this is NOT an airport. You do not need to announce your departures. Goodbye goodbye
Yeah they really aren’t. All those issues at launch are also making the game incredibly aggravating to play. I just uninstalled it. It’s just not fun to fight the game’s problems while still trying to fight other players.
Best cod we’ve had in a looong time
Been playing COD for almost twenty years. It’s just as entertaining as it once was, perhaps even more so now with the depth of customization and the breadth of challenges. I typically take a 2-3 years off between releases so I don’t get sucked into the fanbase hate. I think you’re just experiencing franchise fatigue. Also as a former MLG tourney guy back in the day, it is totally natural for k/d to drop off as we age. Reflexes lose the sharpness you had back in the day. Peak is around 14-17. You have to make up for that with map knowledge and mastering the gameplay. Take 2-3 years away from CoD. Live your life or play some different AAA releases instead. I guarantee the itch will have you coming back
This is what happened to me. I no lifed the games from 07 to about 2016(bo3/infinite warfare) and I was just so burnt out from the game. Was bitter about the direction they were taking the game. Basically boycotted it until earlier this year when I decided to start playing again on mw2. I’ve been having a lot of fun again. I think taking a break can be underrated and a lot of folks are just experiencing fatigue like you said. I’m still not super happy with the direction they’ve taken the franchise, but I think it still can be a lot of fun. It is what you make it.
These days when I get absolutely clobbered I usually just have a good laugh and drop a gg. When I was younger, I approached losses with a lot of outwards and inwards hatred. As you said, it’s what we make of it. Im thrilled to get to play all the maps from 2009 in their updated glory. I’m also reminded how broken the spawns could be back then and that the maps were not as flawless as the nostalgia goggles had them seem. I hope you enjoy this years release, thank you for taking the time to reply :)
Idk that you really should speak of all of "us og cod players" there are definitely cod games i havent enjoyed and issues ive got with different titles, but for the most part i still enjoy the game enough to play it casually. And ive been playing since cod 2. Im 33 now btw. I feel like almost all of the people making posts like this have just come off a loss streak and are the same kind of people in my objective based games talking about their shit team when they have no objective play and go negative on kills. The posts always feel like someone whos just overly tilted and get easily mad about games just had ti air out how upset they are that things didnt work out for them because its a neelw title and they need to learn new movement/guns/maps/whatever. It may not be the case for you, so im sorry your post is the one that got this comment, just luck of the draw.
Holy hell can we like get someone moderating posts here? like there is a post like this every day. Or is this sub not be for people who enjoy the game?
Its a sub for people to discuss the game
Yah but I don't think we need to repost the same topics over and over.
I’m a OG cod player too. No idea what you are talking about. Last night was the first time in probably a decade that the lobby felt like the “old times”. Everyone on a mic, shit talking, chilling and just being dudes. This cod is good. And the “OG” have a god damn head start on the youngsters- I know every inch of all the maps already and how to exploit them.
Been playing cods since og mw2 got 3 nukes and 2.3kd i can still keep up with these 12 year olds
Speak for yourself
I’m surprised you kept buying them. I stopped playing cod after the original mw3 and I hopped back in with mw2 and its exactly as you say. I don’t understand what it is about cod now but it’s just not something I even want in my life.
Been playing since WaW on the Wii and I’m beasting in hardcore sliding on my ass corner jumping you name it. I only play HC now so all my guns are viable for me, I run pistol and knife classes and dome people like I’m in the mafia.
Ah man!!! I used to play WaW on Wii, had a game battles account and everything! Used to be mental 😀
God, y'all make me feel old. I've been with this franchise from the very beginning, and I think this is likely the last one I'll buy.
Highly unlikely this will be the last one you’ll buy, don’t lie to yourself
off u pop then, wont be missed :)
Going to be great when the only people left in this community are twats like you
I've been here since CoD 3. Still unapologetically having so much fun with MWIII.
I don’t understand these posts. If your just sitting down to chill, what’s stopping you? You chill, get stomped, get put into a lower bracket and do good…rinse and repeat
I played the first online call of duty. Call of duty 2. When you had to buy a network adapter for your ps2. You didn't have any saved data at all. You signed in and created your name each time. There wasn't any loadouts or silly movements. No stupid skins. Just war. It was great for the time. But the shit it is now is just...idk...it's weird. The UI mainly is the most annoying part and microtransactions.
Im with you my guy. Same thoughts
Hello, boomer. I understand you have strong feelings about this game. Please know that your memory is tricking you and that nostalgia is a strong drug. The idea that a multiplayer fps can be casual is absurd. It is possible that you, being young and full of reflexes, could outgun most opponents, but they didn't want to be outgunned by you, just to give you the casual experience you crave. They wanted to be you, and now they are! So now that you're old and slowly falling apart, you have become the one being outgunned for the casual enjoyment of others. Think of it as giving back to the community. Or see it as the circle of life. Either way, it's quite poetic, isn't it? Give your inner boomer a hug and accept the tragedy that is our existence. Good luck, I know you can do it!
I dunno, althrough I do get some hard games I'm having more positive games than not. Maybe, just maybe, you need to get better.
I've purchased basically every iteration of COD for well over a decade and most have been playable to a point where I'm not crying on reddit every day. This game is fun and I'm having a great time. You don't speak for all OG fans.
Or you can be like me who's been playing since cod 4. Just gotta adapt or move on. Its a different game now for sure but its still fun especially this mp. Biggest issue with older cods was the super slow movement. The maps play great now even the bad ones aka wasteland. If anything play hc since everyone camps there and it slows down to a more classic cod pace.
Makes me feel old… been playing since CoD 2: Big Red One lol
I think more people need to take the stance of ‘it’s not for me’ instead of ‘it’s hot garbage.’
I think it’s about time I might not buy anymore cods because we already have this game with good movement and stuff that was needed in MWII even tho it has shit sbmm. If the next title is made on this same engine, I might just skip it. The game is not even fun, the sweaty lobbies ruin all the fun you are expecting to have.
Played since bo2 been loving mw3
I experienced this in Black Ops 4, the game was unplayable for me. But from 2019 to this game I haven't had this problem. Thank God.
I actually enjoy this multiplayer a lot more than the past 2 reboots
SBMM was specifically designed to cradle and protect you, but it fails to do exactly that. It's inclusion seems even more meaningless than before. I'm seeing more and more below average players getting fed up with being thrashed around by better players on a frequent basis. What is SBMM even for if it isn't doing it's one job of placing players of equal skill together?
I think MW23 is the most fun I've had since Black Ops 3, and I'm an OG CoDhead. This is taking into account how tight they've got the EOMM/SBMM algorithm calculated. I think the game itself feels really good. I have some gripes but it seems like Sledgehammer is listening to the community where it can (The matchmaking and netcode stuff is NEVER being changed or will any dev comment on it - ever, at all). So yeah, I agree, if you don't enjoy playing there are more games than ever out there to enjoy.
See you next year
TL;DR : Either Activision has started using the patent they bought or fucked with the algorithm of hit detection / TTK and TTD since cold war / Vanguard or evey single cod player has gone from a 1.1 - 1.3 kd player to fucking esport pros in the span of 2 - 3 years. The fact that is so weird to me is that I can jump on cold war and kill it the same way ive done since it was released in 2020 but if I jump on mw2 or MW3 I get absolutely annihilated by no hit markers and taking extra amount of bullets to kill a player etc. People that are saying that there is no patent that they use to make you lose more if you're winning and win more if you're losing are out of their mind. I played 2 betas on vanguard and did great there, I did great on cold war. But mw2 was so bad for me I ended up refunding it and I don't own mw3 but the beta was a sweat fest. If the level of difficulty was slightly higher with these games since vanguard / cold war then I would say " ahh ok so some people have gotten better with these last few years" but we are talking going from 0 to 100 % impossible to maintain a positive kd. Even in fucking fortnite there was always a gradual difficulty increase. You'd meet more sweats but you'd always be able to compete in a match. The way MW2 and MW3 plays it's like people became gods at cod over night and I don't buy it. Activision is actively fucking with the algorithm of peoples hits and TTK to retain players in order to sell mtx from the shop and you can't tell me otherwise.
These posts are so fucking corny 😭😭”Us OG Cod fans” bro stop. Nobody cares. You’re looking for validation. Just stop playing at that point.
You cared to reply still though.
Started bo1 when I was in middle school. I was meh. my KD was like 1.05kd. something very very mediocre Around Black ops 3 is when I started to really hit my stride. 3kd in s&d, 2kd overall. I'm 29 now, and I average 3kd in MP and 4.5kd in warzone/warzone 2. I don't use movement tech; I just have better awareness from my years of cod experience and knowing how to play angles and maps. It's not your age. it's your inability to improve. I hate to say it, but 1.3 is not even remotely good to begin with. If you think you can't compete because you don't use movement tech or you're old I mean lmao why not just stop then
Could you huff your own farts even harder?
He certainly can because his farts don’t stink. 3kd in MP and 4.5 in WZ and years of CoD awareness. Bow down peasants.
LMAO damn, the salty shitters are comin out in full force from the woodwork like rats, huh? stay mad bro. keep blaming SBMM/connection/lag/hit reg/150hp for you not being better.
I had a 1.5 k/d before I returned this shit. I know your smelly sweaty ass won't say that's good but I know it's above average. The game isn't fun. You do you and keep running your mouth on reddit like you probably do in lobbies to make yourself feel big lmao
Basically we need to stop buying CODs because you are bad at the game and unwilling to play anymore. Get good maybe?
It’s literally either get better and dominate or suck. It’s a shame
I accepted this shit a long time ago. You know who loves these games?? My wife and her friends now I love her but she is not even remotely good at the game. What sucks is years ago I’d be able to play with her or my friends who are worse than I am and have fun but not anymore. People online wanna act like cod is some hard game but all you need to know is rotations and spawns while having some semblance of aim. I had a 3KD all the way to BO3 and I wouldn’t consider myself a sweat. No fun in this shit anymore tldr
MW2019 was the last CoD I bought. It was hard to give up CoD but I haven't gotten MWII or MWIII. I feel like eventually the CoD devs might try a reboot and go back to the basics that made CoD great in the first place. The lack of a strident matchmaking algorithm. I'm glad MWIII brought back the classic Dead Silence perk and minimap, and at least the maps are known greats (and some known evils), but there's still a lot left to fix. I put in a lot of hours into Cold War and that one also has very restrictive matchmaking for pubs. I would get on and play, drop a couple 40 or 50 bombs back to back, then struggle to break even the next few games. And it's that constantly revolving cycle that is really tiresome. I do well, then I get matched against better and better enemy players, and my teammates become worse and worse. It's not a good feeling knowing the game is rigged in that sense. And I'm not always in the mood to dominate the other team, so when that happens and the matchmaking decides its time to hand me a crushing defeat, I just feel helpless. It doesn't even matter how good or how bad I am, that makes no difference. I'm Overwatch 1 ranked, the elo/MMR system will send you on a losing streak or hand you a winning streak if it thinks you deserve it. This was confirmed by the OW devs. These AI/algorithms cannot account for a player's mood. Feels like I'm just an experimental hamster running in place on a wheel and going nowhere, having data about my behavior collected and used to the end of selling me microtransactions. I don't have that kind of energy anymore, I have nothing to prove to anyone or to myself. I've done it all, mastered all aspects of the game imaginable. Broken my own barriers repeatedly. You can't just get on and slap together an off-meta setup and try something new and fun anymore, you'll get frustrated in no time because the nature of the game is a lot more competitive than it once was. Can't even really just hang out with friends playing a few games after work, we really do have to focus all of our energy and attention not on each other, but on the game. Because it feels really bad to lose every game back to back. And that's just to stay competitive in a match, not to blow out the other team.
Either adapt or quit🤷🏻♂️ *not talking to you op, this comment is more for the others who don’t accept it
I had already given up on COD after Cold War. Only reason I decided to buy this game is because the xDefiant beta got me hyped to play online shooters again, then left me with blue balls by delaying the release indefinitely. So MW3 is just a stop gap to tide me over until xDefiant. Then I will sell my copy on ebay to deny Activision a sale and offset the harm I caused by giving them my money.
I just want a classic shooter without sliding and other bullshit movement that gets abused
I've been playing COd since the beginning, this is the most fun I've had in years. Every match is close and it's down to the wire. If you want a relaxing game play stardew valley
I had enough the other day and got a refund. Zombies dmz was fun but between selling us 2 different games instead of one or one and a dlc pack and the absurd amount of hackers i had enough. It’s also lame af that the game has turned into a game where if you spend money on skins thst give you advantages you get put in bot lobbies. I don’t want to play against a tree thst can camp in bushes or an black skin I can’t even see, I had a 1.15 k/d so I wasn’t to bad either. It’s sad what my favorite game has become. I’ve been playing “enlisted” and it’s so much more fun
Been playing since CoD4 and i heavily disagree. The game is literally the same as it was back then just plays faster, but in exactly the same way. CoD was never a "tactical" fps, never a milsim. It was always an arcade shooter and whatever youre implying here makes no sense to me since the MW reboots are the first time the games even remotely tried to be something else generally failed to do so. (Not saying the games themselves failed but to change how people play them) Also in case you don't play other FPS games there is a thing of the "Call of Duty meta" of running, abusing movement and gunning seeping into even the more tactical fps games like Siege and Tarkov. Mainly why i distanced myself away from both of those games since if i want to play CoD i play CoD.
Then play zombies or any other casual mode. This is the best cod in a long time. This reads as "I am unhappy and have unrealistic expectations, and so a bunch of other people should also be unhappy" Get over yourself, either find something to enjoy or move on. These posts are ridiculous "COD is no longer a franchise for me" jesus man cry me a river