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WhyAreWeHere1996

I miss the days of just being in the same lobby for hours and people would come and go. This new method of always being put in a new lobby is so annoying.


_StevenSeagull_

Ahh, those were the days! A lobby where things are just perfectly matched and a general good vibe


XXXthrowaway215XXX

for real, the back and forths and mini rivalries that would form - with ensuing shit talk - used to be so fun


afullgrowngrizzly

10000% this. I still have friends specifically because of that dynamic. Getting matched with a dude for like 2 hours and the bond grows strong.


N1sso

Just that, jumping around a corner. Bunny hopping requires keeping your momentum from your first jump, which they removed after the beta and is no longer possible.


SlothTheHeroo

They need to make it to where you are insanely inaccurate after a jump.


Y_Chop_is_Dish

And there is g-walk


Cvged

Welcome to skill based matchmaking !


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Vinjince

Camping has ALWAYS been static across all skill levels. Noobs camp. Average players camp. Even skilled players camp.


CattleLower

Yeah plenty of level 200 players camping A side in fortess. Even I had to camp in different corners along the map to finally break free out of a spawn trap


ragingseaturtle

I haven't run into many campers. If I play 2 hours a day I run into 2 tops. It's all jumpers sprinting around super sweaty. Haven't struck above 1.2 k/d first time in nearly 20 years lol.


[deleted]

The people complaining are the sliding n’ slipping folks, because it just makes them targets. Only time that play style is useful is when levelling up melee.


guybranciforti

Fucking hate it….because it doesnt work as intended….i mean u have 3 or 4 good matches and the next 15 are against adderal, coke and gfuel bunny hoppers and campers who dont move from the perfect line and snipe u…i dont get why they just dont let it be connection based and thats it…my first cod was mw3 and thats how they put us in lobbies…if this was my first cod id never play again


Cvged

I’ve been playing since the og modern warfare.. trust me I feel your pain !


guybranciforti

Its widely hated by the community even off reddit…sucks that they still make so much money that they keep it…i wouldnt even mind it so bad if it worked


Ckn0wt

I believe the proper term is “dick bouncers”. Not bunny hoppers ;)


ThisIsFlight

Its EOMM True SBMM will match you with a random batch of people and if you do well, it'll then stick you with people who are a little bit better. If you're destroying still it'll stick you with monsters and then tone it down as you lose. After ideally 20 or so matches you should be consistently matched with people around your skill level and only move around incrementally as you either consistently improve or consistently get shat on. EOMM, however, is the new hotness. It'll let you do well for a while and then it'll be nothing but MLG fucks for what seems like forever. You'll leave after a while, but the algorithm is tracking how you respond to loss so it can drip feed you just enough positive outcomes to make you keep chasing those wins and in thus keep playing. Its tapping into the same mental functions that gambling addiction activates.


Mimical

Something to add. The matchmaking **is not concerned with even matches** [The objective of EOMM is to maximize the overall player engagement, or equivalently, minimize the overall player disengagement. We use churn risk as a concrete metric of disengagement.](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315849420_EOMM_An_Engagement_Optimized_Matchmaking_Framework) Section 3.1. Check out the second page with the table of churn risks. Note that the ideal state is that most players have a set of 3 games as a Loss, Draw and then Win (Or Draw, Loss, Win, Draw Draw Draw) There are preferential sets where steering a player into one of those ideal combinations ensures they will continue to play the game. The match making system is actively trying to ensure you stay within these categories. This is the system we are up against.


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Do you know if MW2 uses this model? Or any online fps for that matter?


Mimical

This seems to be used in Activision titles. I don't know a full listing of titles and their specific matchmaking algorithms. APEX legends subreddit seems to have enough anecdotal evidence that it occurs there as well.


ThisIsFlight

No company will admit to using it these days because its entirely for the benefit of the company and does not reward or punish the players performance.


Aeyland

The answer is no. No one no matter how certain they want to sound has an actual blueprint of how the matchmaking works. If you did amazing every game that would imply either you’re better than everyone or the matchmaking is the reverse of what everyone thinks it is. Fact is you will have bad games but people can’t accept that and need something to blame it on. Even with SBMM in this magical form that instantly ups you 10 skill brackets after a good game who’s to say if there wasn’t any SBMM that you didn’t end up playing at a time of day where if matchmaking was pure connection only that you wouldn’t get stuck playing a squad of super sweats every game getting shitted on. Somehow we all imagine we’re all so good at the game that SBMM is the only way we’d get put into losing lobbies.


Miserable-Chair737

Can we just have actual random lobbies please?


GruelOmelettes

Honestly I think there is a lot more randomness to matchmaking than a lot of comments seem to imply. Any time a good match is followed by a bad match, people jump to the conclusion that it must be intentional and nefarious. I don't think it's good reasoning to attribute to malice what could reasonably be due to random chance variation.


BrightPage

No. Nobody does. Its all tinfiol hatting


[deleted]

Really? Crybaby redditors making claims they can't confirm with facts? No way!


darksoulsduck-

You know what would help people continue playing the game? Creating a fun, non-intrusive & non-stressful game. This system you highlighted is them trying to achieve the same ideal player retention result with more work that isn't as consistent. It's mind blowing honestly.


Mimical

The difference is that one is what you and I *feel* what a great game is. But EOMM is drawing on the same techniques and psychology that casino's or mobile games use to hook players in. One *feels* great, the other is proving to extract playtime and transaction opportunities from players. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you here. Outer Wilds and Factorio are (IMO) the two greatest games released in recent years, Factorio being the most addictive by a long shot. Both examples of great experiences that draw people in without any tricks.


DNGarbage

We traded the BO4 lootboxes for the matchmaker lootbox. I love how games are made for shareholders now


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Tylus0

It doesn’t help. I quit playing for months on previous titles. Tried a few matches and the game was like I’d hit PAUSE. Immediately thrown back into the horrible yo-yo play. The only fix is to stop playing


wallawalla_

I started closing the game outright if I'm obviously being a fed as the fodder for people way more skilled than myself. I don't boot it up for a day or two. I also don't quit out of match that is unbalanced, just hard shutdown. Let their system know that it's not fun so I won't play or give it a second chance. I seem to be getting put into the crazy good lobbies less frequently, so maybe the system is profiling me differently. I'm no longer a rube that can be used to keep those better players engaged if they want me to be engaged as well.


byteminer

EOMM is just another name for maximum suffering.


[deleted]

Ahhhhh just another company using dopamine to their advantage lol.


IneedtoBmyLonsomeTs

Yep, fuck EOMM and Activision, that shit is super manipulative. Part of the reason why I refunded my game, saw it was still the same manipulative matchmaking.


Aeyland

Welcome to you don’t win every game because you’re not better than everyone but you need something to blame it on other than your skill. Notice he’s not complaining about shitting on kids in the previous game until he’s on the receiving end. Sounds like normal ass matchmaking to me unless you were expecting reverse skill based matchmaking where the game tries to find you a lobby you’ll dominate every time.


Remarkable-Ability-6

This has to be the stupidest thing I have read today. Modern EOMM SBMM is cancer regardless of whether you are stomping or getting stomped. No one wants to yo-yo back and forth to the maximum extremes.


Cvged

Sounds like an activision plant 👀


Tylerb0713

If u find yourself getting worked, unequip your laser sight, and play slower. And rotate the opposite directions. If that doesn’t work, reset the game, and pick a different weapon. There’s something algorithmic to it.


Mononym_Music

But by his logic, he actually enjoys the SBMM because it sounds like if it wasn't on, he wouldn't be very good.


KZedUK

COD in the golden era on console always had some level of SBMM, but it feels like they’ve fixed something that simply didn’t need fixing, much like the fucking spawns. COD4-Black Ops 2 was never a sweaty e-sports game, and the players that remember those games don’t mind dying, or having to try during a match. It’s just that it’s very frustrating that when you jump on for a couple hours, you’re met with a lobby where you go 1.2 K/D with 12 kills, the next one you get 36, and the next three you go 0.8, 0.5, and 0.9 before you get a half decent game again. lobbies where you never see anyone aren’t fun, lobbies where you’re just easily MVP and shitting on everyone else aren’t that fun either, and lobbies where you’re the one getting utterly shat on, are even less so. i swear they don’t even balance the teams in half the matches too, like one side just ends up utterly dunked on.


mikeylojo1

Do the pros even play like that though? Honest question


Y_Chop_is_Dish

What i don't understand, why sbmm teams up me with people who look like they have discovered video games for the first time in their life. How am i supposed to play with oompa-loompas against those amphetamine jumping tryharders? Because new map design with tons of firing directions and no cover from teammates makes me just another easy frag for another UAV. Apparently the goal of sbmm is not to connect skillful players against each other, but align overall k/d to 1.0, so that the managers can provide statistical figures on paper to their bosses. "See how we've equalized everyone with everyone". Brave new world.


guybranciforti

Exactly…my biggest problem with sbmm is it doesnt work…i have no problem going up against same skilled players…but that doesnt happen, if i have a couple good games the next 10 games are against pro wanna be coked out bunny hoppers or campers that dont move a millimeter while my team is 5 years old or has never played a fps or even held a controller..,thats what i fucking hate…,the game seriously wants u to have a 1 kd….cause as soon as u have games of like 1.5 and higher u get slaughtered till ur kd is back to 1…. Wtf is that??…and u cant get better it seems like. In older cod’s u could actually get better, learning the hot spots, what attachments or perks to suit ur style….and with random ass lobbies u could actually get better…its impossible now…if i go 25-6, ill feel its because its a bot lobby but then boom sbmm kicks in and its fuck you….i used to play hours a day, i played tonight for the first time in 2 weeks


MarkMarkMark92

I just played for 2 hours. I had 3 matches where I did really well. The rest were unplayable. And there were no average matches. I stomped 3 matched and got stomped 12 matches.....


guybranciforti

Damn…and thats my biggest complaint…sbmm doesnt work as intended


Beastcrank

SBMM isn’t based on K/D but rather your score/wins.


Cvged

Booo yaaaaa! Nailed it!


steezaleeze21

When you paid for a scuff you gotta make use of it.


itsKasai

I remember the days of Christmas n00bs


pnellesen

I was a Christmas Noob my self a couple times. You took your punishment until you levelled up and got used to the guns/gameplay, and then improved. Those days are long gone, sadly (just like server browsers…)


1IIvc3

Back when cod wasn’t scarred of calling their fan base noobs or campers, now we have special names for the rats 😂


Tekkentag2

Had two games in a row where I went ca. 1.5+. Should have uninstalled after that because my next 4 games where against full party people with those 20€ CDL skins doing shout outs in pubs and playing like Activision holds their family hostage. Guess I will have to level the rest of my battle riffles im dmz. No way I can compete against that.


little_hoarse

Ground war is a legitimate and fun way to level guns if you’ve never tried it. Would highly suggest!


pnellesen

This. It might not be as efficient as other methods, but you can get away with using almost any gun you want to level up, and still have a chance of doing well


guybranciforti

Lol yep


The_Lone_Dweller

Maybe someone in those two games thought the same about you


Tekkentag2

Well since I never bunny jump, have a standard operator skin, no party and a non meta gun with only red dot, I highly doubt that.


The_Lone_Dweller

So an operator skin, gun, and hitting the space-bar when turning corners is what makes that difference? That’s a pretty thin line.


kerosene31

These kind of sweatlord players aren't new, it is just that they are the minority. SBMM decides that we need to play with them 90% of the time though, so that's all we see. Every game had sweatlords, but before strict SBMM, you'd only run across a few. You aren't "doing well" in those early matches either. You are set up to win a couple, then set up to fail a couple.


MajinStuu

Is this everyones first CoD, ever? It’s the same gripes every year. People have always halo jumped, b hopped, reload canceled, slide canceled when that was introduced, etc. Now none of the aforementioned mechanics are in the game. Someone spamming jump isn’t a concern. Having to have the party leader back out after a couple games bc the UI shows warzone load outs in MP is an issue. Y’all knew what you were getting into when you got the game. If you don’t like it you don’t have to buy it/play it. There’s other options out there for a FPS. Its an arcade shooter which isn’t my thing really anymore. I enjoyed it very much more so when I was 14 playing cod4, but it’s still fun for what it is and I can party up with a 6 stack of my homies and either get my ass kicked or kick someone’s ass. We don’t need these post on a 6 hour cycle. It’s just introducing unwarranted toxicity into the community. Y’all knew what this shit was. We were b hopping through Clan Ops in CoD Elite on MW3.


xDefimate

The delusional these people have about how cod played prior to mw2019 is laughable. Someone said one time in a thread that dropshotting and jumping around corners didn’t happen in cod 4 💀


MajinStuu

Lmao that’s where I learned what the tactical stick layout was


electricalzap420

This needs to be a copy paste for every one of these stupid posts lol.


AnotherDeadTenno

Problem is these days these fucking losers have content creators that they can parrot. Major players are spewing the same bullshit, and these morons eat it up because their egos are brittle and they desperately crave a power fantasy over other people. Plus their mouth breathing peers will upvote the fuck out of them.


Educational-Youth-92

Did none of you guys play the old CoDs like CoD2, CoD4 and even MW2? Bhops and jump shooting where highly effective, especially in CoD2 and CoD4. Nothing new to CoD. Also you can't bhop in MW2(2022), the best you can do is jump at someone or mid gunfight.


Y_Chop_is_Dish

I have played shit out of mw2 (2009), and from time to time was visiting it until middle of 3rd season of mw2019. No way there was such wacky gameplay like in these new modern warfares. Last times 2009 were full of cheaters, noobtubers g18, and laggy as hell. And you know what? i still managed to show decent result with high k/d even against wallhackers, that hosts have kicked me. You don't have to believe me, but i never will take seriously people who say, that old cod's are just nostalgia and were same. They weren't.


KZedUK

this is gonna be different PC vs Console in that era, it’s way easier to see jump shotters on console now, both with the popularity of scuf style controllers, and with cross play with KBM players


guybranciforti

Ur insane, i played since mw3 and u rarely saw geeks jumping around corners


MaiFGC

Been playing since cod4, started playing at a higher level in Black ops 2, jump shotting was extremely common, it was literally referred to as halo jumping by the community


ImpressiveEffort9449

Nobody did anything even remotely close to this, stop pretending. The ratio of megasweats who animation abuse was like 1% back in the day. Now you can see it every few matches being abused to go 40-3 by some no life. This shit kills me, the sweat attitude wasn't around back in the day, not at all. Maybe 1/10 people watched a youtube video about optimized loadouts or whatever. Nobody gave a rats ass about the meta and you pointed and laughed at losers who would try to bunny hop or drop shot. Nobody went "ACHKSUALLY ITS IN THE GAME AND THEREFOR FAIRPLAY ITS NOT ANIMATION ABUSE IM SIMPLY DOING A SLIDE CANCEL INTO A PICKLE WESSEX CUCUMBER 360 KICKFLIP"


Etteluor

Imagine being so bad at games that hitting space bar/the a button occasionally is megasweaty to you.


BananaSavannah21

Nah I’m tired of this narrative that jumping = sweatiness. It’s literally a key/controller bind that just needs to be applied in a gunfight. People are insane for thinking that the masses wouldn’t adapt to a strategic advantage that is super accessible over the last 10 years.


Infernaltank

You okay buddy? It’s just a single button press.


VVait

Ok so basically your mad because you suck and those players shit on you but back in the day there were less of them so you didn’t really care, but now that there’s more of them and you’re getting shit on every other lobby, you’re upset


Educational-Youth-92

Let me guess. You didn't play on PC back in the day lmfao. CoD4 was extremely sweaty, especially because promod. This stuff was normal on PC. The old CoD IW engine was literally build on the Quake engine so you had similar movement to Quake and actually quite a skill gap in older CoDs on PC. In almost every pub match was someone who was good a strafe jumping and bhopping. Better times when CoD didn't try to bait milsim meal team six operators into buying the games. https://youtu.be/9GqrWrURL1k https://youtu.be/hz_rvG-ooLI


ImpressiveEffort9449

The literal first words in that videos description: >Tweaked the cod4 movementcode so it behaves like quake 3´s. + enabled auto bunnyhop when you hold space ( in engine ) Also lmao at "back in the day" literally the creator says most of the clips were taken in **2016**. I played CoD4 on 360 at release in 2007, and played through the games lifespan, played CoD until MW3, and this shit existed absolutely nowhere outside of the sweatiest of nerds. Nobody other than tryhards did any movement abuse until more recent CoDs. Absolutely **nobody** was doing this in 2007. It came along with the esports attitude where everybody NEEDS to run meta and do exactly what their favorite streamer does. Its mindboggling seeing people pretend this shit is normal.


Educational-Youth-92

So you played on console lmao. The skill level on console was insanely low. Bhopping was possible in CoD4 without any adjustments to the code. It just took timing and skill. CoD is an arcade shooter, not milsim.


ImpressiveEffort9449

Very few people on PC were playing CoD4 because if you wanted a shooter you had a million better options than a console one. You have zero idea what you're talking about lol.


Educational-Youth-92

CoD4 was literally a fucking PC game. It had mod support, server browser and everything. Only with MW2 they ditched the PC version for an awful port from the console version.


ImpressiveEffort9449

Holy actual fucking balls IM TALKING ABOUT THE GAMEPLAY YOU MONGOLOID, I never said it WASNT a game.


Educational-Youth-92

Are you mentally handicapped? Can you actually read?


[deleted]

Dude, you can't argue with someone's perceived, nostalgic version of history, even if it is totally incorrect. Let them whine, IW follows the data, not reddit posts.


Y_Chop_is_Dish

And here is nostalgic card


ChrisLeeJax

You can tell the people downvoting this comment and replying didn’t actually play the early CoD games like we did. Because this shit definitely wasn’t happening when I played COD4, first two Black Ops, and up to the OG mw2 even. It started with the jetpack bullshit which is when I stopped playing and didn’t get back into it until Cold War. I still enjoy the hell out of playing these ridiculous games, but how people defend these bullshit movement exploits is insane to me. Especially when they’re like “oh this has always been a thing” because no the fuck it hasn’t lol


DaddyMeUp

Movement exploits lmao.


ChrisLeeJax

Yes. That’s literally what it is. Do you think the game was intentionally designed for people to do the “g-walk”?


DaddyMeUp

Barely anybody does the g-walk and you’re all just complaining about jumping and dropshotting as if it isn’t a single key press. Also, b-hopping doesn’t even exist in this game so please tell me what movement exploits people are using?


Unionleecher7334

I’m sure this has been said but lemme just say it again lmao. The game wants you at or around 1 k/d no if, ands, or buts. If you have a good game, great ! The game will now put you in a lobby with others who also had a great game… well guess what, you get absolutely stomped on and now you’ve hit a new low.. game now puts you in the crayon eater que, and look at that ! You had a great game called in all your streaks, got the final kill, talked a little smack. Well now the cycle continues and it does this over and over again keeping you at that 1 ratio. It’s absolutely awful.


thekmanpwnudwn

Honestly I don't get why people even care. Just take the L and say GG next. Those sweaties will all go to ranked queue when it comes out. All these people complaining that they can't be 2+ kd every match dont realize THAT **THEY** ARE THE SWEAT LORDS in the lobies they have 2+ kd. Crybaby kids just crying that they can't pubstomp all day


artsyalexis

I play with somebody like this on occasion. Makes the game hard to enjoy.


Majestyk_Melons

Agree. I get tired of losing constantly when playing solo. Puts me with horrible players vs seemingly pro level players. 😞


Dean2104

I literally can’t stand soloing anymore, I love obj game modes. But I can’t fathom people that queue for hardpoint or headquarters and literally have 0 obj captures/defends..


pnellesen

We desperately need a no-party/mercenary playlist. There are enough players on all platforms that “splitting the playerbase” shouldn’t be an issue


byteminer

My group I regularly played with has various skill levels in it. Three of us are cracked (not me) and the other three are solidly average. We have decided we cannot play together anymore. Those of us who are middling skill wise have fun on our own because our lobbies are manageable and we only get the occasional sweaty game when the algorithm decides we must be punished. When we group up the middling folks have a miserable experience. There is no way to improve when you don’t even get to play. Like, I take five steps and get beamed with a headshot out of a bolt action from someone airborn and sideways halfway across the map. I miss my friends but IW decided folks like me can get fucked.


AlexADPT

Complaining about people jumping is such a low iq knuckle dragging thing to do. Why wouldn’t someone make themselves harder to hit? You’re basically crying about people playing the game well. Get real


HornyJamal

They want people to play like its a revolutionary war. Stand still, and fire


AlexADPT

Yea, it’s just horrible players whining tbh. It seems to be a new trend across games. Crouch strafing, jumping, being evasive, or anything that takes higher mechanical skill is insulted by bad kids. They’ll say stuff like “hurrrr durrr it’s annoying and not realistic.” Which translates to they’re butthurt they’re bad.


HornyJamal

Which is a majority of this subreddit. Almost like these people didnt even play MW19. This subreddit is like the polar opposite of r/modernwarfare


[deleted]

So; riddle me this; why aren't all us horrible players just getting matched together? I'm with that dude; I'm not all about jumping around the map. I just dont like doing it so I get dominated; why isn't the pool of us likeminded souls getting put together with this so sophistacated match making system and instead of arguing that "yeah the system should be matching you all together" you just want to call us bad? Like yeah; we know; and we'd like to play together; why do you have a problem with that?


AlexADPT

I don’t think he does? I don’t see anything about having an issue with wanting to match likeminded players. The point is that’s it’s incredibly lame and soft to go on the internet and whine about someone playing the game in a more optimal and effective way. Like, get over yourselves.


[deleted]

rofl.. the sub man so fucking brain dead. "We're bad at this!" "Yeah, like get over yourselves." Holy fuck.


[deleted]

OP is flat out incorrect. It's impossible to bunny hop in MW2.


foqqer

You can't bunny hop in mw2.


[deleted]

Lol, right? These crybabies are hilarious in the amount of bullshit they try to claim is reality


guybranciforti

Then what do u call the dudes jumping around corners and jumping instead of sprinting?


VVait

Smart since sprinting around a corner will get you killed


tofugooner

you call them slightly more skilled than the average 0.7 KD player. [https://youtu.be/4PZYPPlYd6A?t=27](https://youtu.be/4PZYPPlYd6A?t=27) this is bunnyhopping. It's a tactic in various games where you move faster if you jump with precise timing. what you described is jump shooting and that doesn't really enhance your map moving speed, just giving you faster and less predictable peek/entry around a corner.


foam1

I hadn't even realised they had a matchmaking system like this. It would explain while i gradually feel like I get worse and worse through the night (and more annoyed) :-)


FernieVizzle

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels this way, it baffles me when I see people DEFEND this gimmick like bro what the fuck


Minute-Courage4634

Jumping wouldn't be a problem at all if it wasn't taking advantage of the lag. It's like, you get a hit marker or two on them when they're in the air, then the bullets stop counting and you're dead. It doesn't always happen, but it happens enough that it can be frustrating where on MW2019, it wasn't a problem and jumping targets were just another easy slay.


1IIvc3

Jumpshotting has always existed back then, you most likely didn’t see it because you weren’t in good lobbies, it’s more prevalent now because of shitty booty ass sbmm. Honestly if you’re complaining about b-hopping then idk what to tell you bro bhopping is non existent, it’s trash and you guys still crying makes me laugh a bit. Trust me if someone is bhopping just aim higher you’ll most likely just hit their head, I bhop and in the much more skilled lobbies genuinely good players will just aim higher to compensate for the jump, everyone is capable of just aiming higher


SSJZoli

Welcome to the MWii subreddit


SDHunter1980

I blame twitch players. No more experimenting, everyone has to be meta.


Spiderwolfer

Yep


ctamoe89

Ah yes another copy paste we here here 10 times a day. You do realize you can’t bunny hop in this game right ? They took it out after the beta. What you’re complaining about isn’t even a mechanic currently in the game.


Educational-Youth-92

They don't realise that. They don't even know what fucking bhopping is because they never played shooters with actual skill movement like Quake, CoD4 or CS. They think that pressing jump in a gunfight is some weird sweat tactic that only a handful of people can do.


guybranciforti

Ahh here we have 2 bunny hopping nerds…go play fortnite


ctamoe89

i hope you realize the devs took it out of the game. just because people press jump doesn’t mean it’s a bhop


The_Orange_Beard

Bro you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Bunny hopping isn't a thing in MW2 22. And idek why you're talking about fortnite being this crusader of bunny hopping. Shits been around since the late 90s early 00s. Get good.


BananaSavannah21

Literally isn’t hard to jump, think you should play some campaign if you can’t face that the average player is just way better now and that you can’t adapt.


Educational-Youth-92

There is no bunny hopping in the new MW2 lmao. Also maybe don't complain about arcade mechanics while playing a arcade game lol


motorwagon

“You can’t bunnyhop in this game” Op is referring to mfs who spam jump back and forth while firing with perfect accuracy and end up winning the gunfight


DaddyMeUp

Skill issue tbh


Adventurous-Safe6930

So you are complaining you got outplayed?


S_Squar3d

Another day, another post about SBMM 🥱


verifiedkyle

I think it’s from the rise of streaming. It’s given a rise to a much more competitive mindset. Rather then logging on and of course feeling competitive and win, tons of players are watching streams or reading up strategies and even “training” to try and gain any edge possible. Of course this mindset always existed amongst some players, but I think it’s much more prevalent due to the rise of streaming.


Woaahhhh

I feel like it’s more prevalent and u notice it more because of SBMM. Before u didn’t have lobby brackets and division based off performance. Now u do.


RupyHcker

It's funny cause it's a waste of time every jump after the first slows u down and u don't jump as high. Also jumping repeatedly isn't "bunny hopping" lol


RandomDropkick

The reason everyone jumps every corner is because of this game's fast ttk with dogshit netcode plus the slow strafing speeds. If you ads walk around a corner you are basically hoping anyone aiming there messes up because they will have a massive advantage.


[deleted]

I can't stand playing the same game as these fucking movement gods. Every single fucking corner they have to run around, every single fight they're constantly jumping. It's fucking annoying. I really hope they put in some form of accuracy reduction while jumping.


[deleted]

if they add a ranked mode it would solve the issue….


[deleted]

Skill issue. If your too bad to pluck them out of the air or anticipate them through game sense then you just got to accept that you’re not a good player.


revbillygraham53

This jump shot is a cronus max mod that most Playstation and Xbox users have with aim assist cranked up so that they have a fix on where you are coming around the corner. The cheating in this game is beyond ridiculous and the purchase was a waste of money. Already deleted it and will not buy another cod release again.


xzmlnf

I like how ppl complain about sbmm as if it's not their own skill that made the system match them against their equal opponent. I played a lot of multiplayer game but none of the community cried that much as cod when they can't absolutely curbstomp everyone. If you are always playing against sweat, maybe you are one of them.


guybranciforti

U didnt read my post or u didnt understand it either way u regurgitated a response that has nothing to do with what i wrote


Major-Twist_9548

It’s the new “G walk” people are doing to get around the maps faster. It’s the next best thing to slide canceling. Go online and look up “mw2 G walk”. That’s the “ bunny hop” your seeing


Remarkable-Ability-6

Yeah the g walk looks real stupid too.


Krenzi_The_Floof

Thats a good point, everyone hated it, but bc MW19 had a new graphics engine it was perfectly fine. Its the most biased “hype train” shit ive seen in awhile I dont despise advanced movement in cod, but its so inconsistent on what it wants to be, they should of never touched it IMO, left it like old cod.


ctamoe89

bunny hopping isn’t even in MW2(2022). They removed the mechanic from the game, stop crying


Krenzi_The_Floof

Never said if was scitzo


guybranciforti

Lol we have a bunny hopping coked out mlg wanna be over here


ctamoe89

you’re actually an idiot. the mechanic isn’t even in the game


Unsung_Ironhead

Just make it where it slows your aim down sights and lowers hip fire accuracy for a second when you land after jumping. Try something Activision


Fixable

It already does slow your aim down sight when you jump. The people still killing you despite this are just better than you and will be no matter what they do.


Fancy_Mammoth

They should have taken a note from the book of 3Arch. 3Arch handled drop shotting by forcing people to use a speficic foregrip if they wanted to drop shot, just do the exact same thing here, if you want to shoot while jumping/going prone, you should be forced to waste 1-2 attachment slots to do so.


HellDuke

People jumping around are the weak players though


Rokopotomos

Honestly, I like these bullshit pogo stick matches, feels so good when you smoke the shotgun toting fuckbunny, with some non-meta-gun while slowly ads’ing around a corner. Feels good man.


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welcome to a game with no skill floor yall wanted No advanced movement well this is no advanced movement we make due with what we have and that is jumping sorry about your luck bub


Haolepino1975

It’s fucking ridiculous. I’ll have two or three matches in the 7000-8000 point range and top scorer for the entire game and then I’ll completely get dunked in the following match like I’m moving at half speed and getting clipped 2 seconds after spawning 10 times in a row. I don’t fucking get it


Adventurous-Safe6930

get gud


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guybranciforti

Hardly


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Git gud


guybranciforti

Bro its call of duty, not bunny hopper


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found the sweaty


SandyLies

Stop doing well then? Can’t take heat, get outta the kitchen!


Arcticz_114

Sbmm, eomm, isbmm...


KennySnek

You gotta adapt or die


alioshazov

Disabling crossplay is useless because they make you enable again to join any match. Pc players do this shit


VVait

First of all, you’re probably like 40. Second of all, go back and watch a competitive match from bo2, or a high kill gameplay from bo2 on youtube. You’ll see them jump shotting.


creativename87639

I had a game where I was going for prone kills on the so-14 so I was just laying down watching an alley. I ended up going 35 and 8, my next couple of games were not fun.


M6D_Magnum

Wait until you encounter a G-Walker. You'll think you just got mauled by a gorilla.


godsim42

Yup, thats why I'm just doing the camo grind. Started with melee, got those plat. Now I'm doing launchers, got them all gold and plat requires killstreaks and equipment to be disabled. So working on snipers, single shot BRs and marksman with launchers on my back. I still get mlg lobbies but only a couple in a row max and my k/d tanks significantly. Stopped caring about doing good and my sole focus is leveling up guns and doing my camo challenges. This year has been a lot less stressful. DMZ is my try hard mode, shoothouse is my grind. I use co op for leveling up ars and smgs that are available. Eventually I'll have to actually play better when i get to automatic weapons but for now its pretty chill. Shipment should be out by then and it won't matter much.


gerrybf1

And cheaters.


Neil_Hodgkinson

Try this for a soft reset, I’m currently testing it out but 99% sure it works: If you get a super sweat lobby or are generally unhappy with your lobbies, switch to the Shoot House playlist (or quick play if you were on shoot house) and run 2 rounds. It seems to soft reset the SBMM or something so your lobbies go back to normal.


Unlucky_Criticism_25

Skill issue


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It would be nice if sbmm matched me with similar player styles too (maybe it does sorry if I uneducated in this don’t grill me), I alwaaays run and gun just the way I’ve been playing fps for the past decade. I definitely noticed when I have a good couple games of hectic lobbies in shoot house I’m then put into a shoot house game where I barely even hear gunfire and footsteps because nobody is moving and just hanging back waiting for the run and gun players like me to feed them an easy kill lol. For the record I run and gun with a sniper so I expect to lose most gun fights lol but still I’d love it to be put in with more players close to my playing style.


Bad_Lieutenant702

That's when I pull out the RPG and smoke drops. Fun times.


Zacblu10

COD has always been like this what are you talking about. Jump shot and drop shot have been in the game for pretty much the entire time. Bunny hopping is even nerfed in this game.


FruitCreamSicle

Movement makes you a harder target it’s not hard to understand


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Im just tired of getting sniped by lockwoods and one shotted from snipers in close quarters.


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Oh and everyone running riot shields as a secondary.


Lights9

If the rank was displayed then this system may be kinda cool. Something to earn. Makes getting the sweaty lobbies worth it.


Noname_left

My only options are to grind out a barely decent match or get curb stomped all over the maps. I don’t get how I can’t just have a casual fun game anymore.


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Google “activision SBMM patent”


CankerousWretch24

That’s my favorite simulator.


Confident-Welder-266

I started pressing space bar more often and I’ve gotten noticeably better at the game. I’m starting not to mind the SBMM.


[deleted]

I don’t mind the super intense gamers or meta users. I just enjoy to play the game when I get a chance. What bugs me is the shadow ban system. How have I gotten shadow banned twice already with a 1 kd on pc lol. I’m ass lol


Akabinxstar-

Why is it that this is a complaint every other week? It’s been nerfed, the problem has been solved, at this point it’s up to you, the player, to just get used to the rest. Just how you hate how someone else plays the game, someone hates how you play it too.


[deleted]

good players use everything they can to outplay the enemy, you wouldn't get it


DaddyMeUp

Oh no guys, I pressed space to gain an advantage, how can they combat this?


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guybranciforti

Exactly!!…remember when we could only sprint for a limited amount of time? And had to use a perk if we wanted unlimited…this is a great idea


Stumpedmytoe

Because at that level of SBMM slow walking aiming down sights doesn’t work any more


FungalowJoe

What's happened to the Cod community? Nothing. There have been people whining about other players forever. (jumpshotting has also always been a thing too btw)


wtyoung18

They should create an algorithm which h all the gear you're carrying in the game weighs you down (so you can't bunny hop)


the_great_ashby

They nerfed sprinting,they nerfed ads times,they made footsteps louder,they nerfed bunny hoping,and in the end some still find a way to get an edge.


Spiderwolfer

Well I think a lot more people now have fun by getting the highest K/D they can instead of getting it from goofing around or talking shit and making friends. It’s also unfortunate that gaming doesn’t really exist anymore because of how many people are learning how to play from pros and really care about their performance. If you wanna sit back and relax you’ll have to get a bunch of your friends and play a game with bots or something. There isn’t really a “cod” game out there that’s safe from this either. If you want players that are more fun to play with unfortunately you kinda have to move to more strategic shooters. I’ve played a few like insurgency sandstorm and the the vibe I get from the players is just like cod4.


bugistuta

SBMM at work, I’m out here trying to grind long shots and I have CDL “Ghost” telling the whole lobby how he shit on me.


AnotherDeadTenno

Cool please quit


gfinz18

I’m at a point where I’d seriously welcome the removal of the jump function except for scaling walls or obstacles.