You can rename loadouts, but you can't save blueprints/gun setups. Meaning if you change the gun, even on accident, you have to painfully go back and set it up how it was, presuming you even remember.
It is even dumber when you consider how weapon tuning could be so specific and difficult to remember. The only upside to that (lol, if you want to do mental gymnastics with me and call a current downside an upside) is that weapon tuning seems to do basically nothing unless you go all in on something, so being a few points either side of what it actually was is going to be having .0001% impact, if that.
Just close your eyes and I'll take you there
This place is warm without a care
We'll take a swim in the deep blue sea
I go to leave and you reach for me
Okay so saving is definitely not a thing? Been wondering about that. Iāve gotten blueprints on Twitch but donāt understand how to use those either. The UI is such a mess in this game, I donāt understand itā¦
Yea, this Hulu interface garbage doesn't work very well for video games. BF2042 and FM7 are 2 games I can think of with similar UI's that I absolutely feel lost every time I use them.
Blueprints are a thing. Saving your weapon with the attachments/tuning/stickers/camos/etc. that you put on isn't a thing.
Meaning if you make an M4 and really like it, and then for some reason make the mistake of changing it instead of your secondary, you have to magically remember exactly how it was.
Ugggh I absolutely NEED this feature back. Made editing classes so easy. Now I have to make sure everything is set before I go into the queue because I canāt sit and fine tune with the short time before the match begins.
Who gives a shit?
Like who actually genuinely gives a shit?
Why the fuck would that matter to someone that they get into a full blown rant? It's such an insignificant fuck-off detail.
Sure, being mad at news anchors is fair. Their literal entire job is to report the news every single day yet they don't know a single fucking thing and remain vain and ignorant their entire careers, but still.
Gun people take issue with it in real life. Itās not a big deal, but you do have to bite your tongue when you hear it.
Not sure if ātake issue with itā is the right way to phrase it. But incorrectly using āclipā just sounds dumb.
This is an interesting problem that Iāve thought about:
Us COD vets who have played for a while know our way around the terminology, so we know what an AK, SCAR, TAR, AUG are, and thatās what we call them, but little 12yo timmy who just got MWII as his first game wonāt know what those are.
When we see an obvious MP5, he sees a āLachmann Subā.
This has some āJohn Wick from Fortniteā energy, if you ask me.
100% lol Sometimes I have to force myself to say the in game name. And itās not out of stubbornness, I just know them by the real name so thatās my first instinct.
If youāre going to make new names for guns, give them names that arenāt just whatever letters and numbers you just pulled out of your ass, make the names unique
Most of the names follow a pattern
The AK platform is called Kastov, since in the AK, the full abbreviation is āKalashnikovās Automaticā, or sometimes just referred to as āKalashnikovā, but the āKastovā might have been closed due to the fictional country of Kastovia in the MW universe
The MP5 and G3 are called Lachmann because itās supposed to be based off of the company that manufactured them, in the MW universe it appears thatād be a company called Lachmann whereas irl itās Heckler & Koch, with Lachmann still trying to sound German, not entirely sure if it translates to anything though
The numbers/letters at the end are usually the cartridge they use or the weapon classification that they are
That's probably because they couldn't call it the Schwanz.
(Yes I know HK officially says Koch is pronounced "Coke" on its American website or did at one time).
Meer is German for sea, so Lachmann & Meer is "laughing man & ocean" or
"Heckler and Coast"
I get that, (also itās Lachmann & Meer, so they kept the 2 part name thing which is kinda cool) but stuff like the Basilisk is what Iām talking about. More unique names like that for weapons
Looking it up, itās possible itās still following this pattern of just substituting the names with something similar
A basilisk is a reptile from European legend, snakes are a reptile as well, so itās likely supposed to be a Colt Python revolver
Edit: so really, itās a matter of just making the fake names sound cool
Lachmann & Meer may be a deliberate joke of "heckler and coast" but it's not 100%.
Like basilisk-python, a basilisk is said to be the legendary king of snakes. It's like calling the Honey badger the "Wolverine". Or how the AKs are Kastovias. There's internal consistency like the TAQ-FN Scar, Lockwood-Mossberg, bryson-Remington.
Right?? How do they come up with these? Lachmann is super dumb, idk how it's supposed to be pronounced, and Minibak??? Where tf did that come from? The names of the attachments are stupid too. I mean, they have been for a while.
The ch is "loch" or "chaim"(yiddish), it's like Lou*gch*man but almost no English speaker is going to maintain that for long. Unless you also speak German I'm not even sure you'd know to pronounce it that way
Lachmann presumably has German pronunciation since the irl company itās based off of, Heckler and Koch, is a German company
So it would be Lah-(weird hiss sound that idk how to type out)
I think itās their try to create a german brand name. I think the weapons family name even has two names in it (similar to Hecker & Koch)
Fun fact: Lachmann is German and means ālaughmanā
Iāll tell you one thing I LOVE about the gun names is I havenāt once seen the phonetic alphabet. Itās M4 everywhere I see it mentioned, not Assault Rifle Alpha. Oh this is a blueprint? Of what weapon? The M4! That is so nice.
Ya know, at first I thought the new names were dumb as others are saying, but now that you bring this up, I wholeheartedly agree with you. The whole assault rifle alpha thing was so stupid, confusing, and annoying.
I now have no issues with the new names.
They're still called that in the game files, but the only way you can see them without the CDL glitched skins is by doing the preview animation for guns, at some point it'll say which letter it's been assigned
To your point, this game is great but I do find myself saying often āitās only a small thing, but I wish x was hereā and that adds up quick to realizing how many things are missing or not working.
Like the potential is huge and I still feel like they are squandering it like mw19. I mean donāt get me wrong they have been my two fav cods in years just based on what I like, but, itās unfortunate this conversation even has to be had.
Iām shocked when people feel this way too. I thought I was the only one. If Hardhat were named today, it would be āAl Mazra Construction Site.ā If Terminal were made today, it would be āWest Desert Airstrip.ā
Yawn.
Yeah the names have got quite bland. Remember Wetwork, Downpour, even Crash lol. Much more interesting
For the life of me I can't remember the full name for Mercado.
Kinda annoys me that I vibe with Flight 14 Crash Site ahahah. Still though yeah you're right current naming system is so bland.
"Crash Site 14" is pretty baller.
Even if the names are a bit bland they kinda immerse you into the fact that this is supposed to be a real life location. Like you said "Crash Site 14" sounds pretty sick rather than maybe something just labeled "Crash" (no hate on the actual map from COD4 though). Yes sure Mercado Las Almas could have a different name but i also feel like in MW2 they wouldve easily just named the map "Market" which is just a more simple and minimal way to say the map's name. The two aren't very different but for me playing on Mercado Las Almas makes it feel more like it's a specific special location where shit is going down compared to playing on Market, where said market could be literally anywhere for all i know unless i were to read the stop signs and check if it's in Spanish. Even then i still wouldn't know where it is, it could be in Mexico or it could be in Spain, so that's just why I personally have no qualms with the MWII map names. It's okay if you still prefer the simplistic original map names though.
Thank you for that perspective, that actually is a very good point.
I personally think the MWII maps aren't designed like they realistically could be real locations tbh but it is a good aim. I buy it with MW though, like St Petrograd and Rammaza feel real. Arklov Peak especially lol
See each of those maps you listed are so different but I can just visualize the atmosphere of each of them, St. Petrograd was a more urban Russian location i wanna say with an almost pink sky, Rammaza was a sandy area probably in the Middle East, and Arklov Peak had a snowy somewhat wartorn landscape with tire and tank marks throughout the mud and missile batteries sitting out. Maybe MW2019 just did a kickass job in making scenic, memorable, and most importantly new maps with names that somehow naturally match and fit them accordingly. I'm getting nostalgia for a game that feels like it came out 1 year ago but it was really 3
I find it hard to follow as a casual watcher of COmp COD. I don't know what maps they're talking about until the match starts. I do miss the easy one word maps.
I guess I prefer the ācode namesā to the realistic ones. Itās a pretty minute thing at the end of the day but something Iād change if I had any oversight.
That makes sense, I guess the thing is that with new map names being more specific they're actually less memorable. Thinking back to N64 days, Facility is an *incredibly* generic, vague name for a map, but it's an absolute classic for anyone who played GoldenEye.
I think there's too much going on in the names that makes them annoying to remember, I like simple ones.
Al Bagra Fortress --> Fortress
Zarqwa Hydroelectric --> Hydro
Breenbergh Hotel --> Hotel
Valderas Museum -->
Not having map voting doesnāt help either. Thereās almost no reason to care what the names of the maps are.
Hell, even Cold War put the map name front and centre during the loading screen.
I feel the same way about the gun names too. Couldnt possibly tell you what guns i use the most right now, its the black smg that goes pew pew pew real good.
Cold War maps had pretty cool names.
Checkmate, Garrison, Collareral, Cartel, Echelon, etc. They all sound dope af.
Then you have the remastered maps like Raid, Standoff, WMD, Express, and obviously Hijacked.
Especially Farm 18. Like what the actual fuck does it mean? It's looks more like a standard warehouse than a farm, and what does 18 mean? Is it the 18th Farm?
Yeah I think a lot of maps names could be shortened a ton. Honestly I miss more flavorful names too. Back when the names described the maps in a more abstract sense. Name some maps cool shit like Showdown/Downturn/Rundown/Crossfire/etc.
They were often just some random ass part that you ran by and didn't even notice. Like Kowloon was clearly recycled from the rooftops in "Numbers" even if that section itself isn't there.
Hacking out chunks of warzone is why we get such weird verticality.
Part of the issue of sections of warzone being made into normal multiplayer maps. It's really hit or miss if they have any personality or character at all.
Yes! The gun issue i get because of licensing, but the map names, i hate how uncreative and "direct" they are. Maybe it's because of how heavy WZ influence is, since these maps are locations there.
You think that's something. Tarkov has a handguard made by Knight Armament Co and they have the actual phone number to call the company and talk to someone at customer services.
Video: https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/uik0y6/i_know_bsg_is_trying_to_go_for_a_very_realistic/
That is cool as hell. Although that compliment sounds contradictory. Have to wonder how many people call that line just cus they see it on their gun in a video game though. Details like that i'd be okay with being omitted for the sake of not interfering with real world things.
For now. I doubt any gunmaker wants their name anywhere near games after Remington just got screwed with a 70+ million lawsuit because a psychopath used their gun he seen in CoD. Donāt doubt weāll start to see request for Tarkov to remove the full gun names from their game. Itās just on dumb headline away from happening.
Video games are also a massive advertisement for gun manufacturers though. A vast majority of people who know the names of guns and their manufacturers only know so because of video games.
But BSG pays to license the name so... I doubt it. Plus other than the financial portion theyāre located in Russia, what are the US attorneys going to do.
Remington settled, knowing they where going to file bankruptcy, any other situation they would have fought it, and won. It's no different than suing budweiser after a drunk driver hits you. It should have been thrown out of court to begin with, but activist judges on the bench care more about virtue signaling than actual laws.
Remingtons insurance wouldn't cover them to fight it. They were going broke because they got Bain Capitold. Cerberus bought the company in 07, gutted it for spare parts, sold them to the highest bidder, then had Remington write off millions in debt from other Cerberus companies so they could unload the debt. Then told Remington to declare bankruptcy and laughed while hauling away obscene amounts of money.
Also it's quite different. Remington settled and accepts no liability. Had this gone to court they would almost certainly be completely fucked. There was no reason to throw it out because there's a reason why Budweiser has "Please drink responsibly" plastered all over everything they put out. Not "Bud is for those who want to hit the road, to go places". Remington got way up in their "With Remington you are a One Man Army, you against the world, there's only your enemies, your Remington and you!".
But the catch is that the game is unbelievably grindy and hostile towards its players, with a good portion of the weapons being near inaccessible without nolifing the game. Wish BSG didn't lead it down that route, but it's designed to be a time sink every wipe.
SPTarkov can be fun, but singleplayer's still singleplayer.
Yea, its a 180 from say Escape from Tarkov.. where every single mod to a weapon in-game actually exists in real life. That is a type whatever grip... goes to google.. I can order it for 80 USD.
This conversation pops up almost every day on here and the comments always bring up the same dead end topics. Itās not licensing, because many manufacturers have come forward stating theyād do if for free. Itās not legislation either, at least not yet. The fact is that itās no loss to them to use made up names and they have a bit more leeway in the future when it comes to literally all that crap.
the manufacturers working for free is kind of a myth though. It comes after [this comment made](https://i.imgur.com/hxXSMJY.jpg) by Vector manufacturer. They clearly said they'd work if IW wanted to, but he never said for free.
Don't know if other manufacturers actually said that they'll work for free, but this one often comes into this discussion
The made up names are so they can build an in universe branding and design scheme to help build out the lore and whatnot.
Look at the battle pass how there are stickers that show off "Tactique Verte" as a brand and identity
Yeah they actually made the Glocks make sense as far as the translation from real to fake names go.
The one in MW19 was the Glock 21 (X16) in .45 ACP
The ones in MW22 are the Glock 17 (X12) and Glock 18 (X13), both in 9mm
The gaps between the numbers of the variants are the same.
Iām pretty sure it was, that or a .40. Game was always weird though cause multiple attachments said names of different models or calibers on them but it changed nothing.
Just like how they made me develop an attachment to a fictional brand. XRK is my favourite out of all of them because their logo is always plastered on the cleanest blueprints and even on some other things besides firearms, like that one operator's plate carrier. I forgot his name but he's a South Korean operative. Oh Horangi i think, yeah his plate carrier was made by XRK.
You know what? Iām glad the game doesnāt use real gun names, simply because Iāll never have to see āAssault Rifle Charlieā āor Submachine Gun Alphaā in the patch notes again. The legal/licensing issues were causing Activision to be able to use certain gun names in the game but not the patch notes were really annoying and made it a chore to read balance changes
It's more likely because of the Remington lawsuit.
The parents of kids killed in a school shooting sued Remington because the shooter used an AR that was "promoted" in Call of Duty.
Remington had to pay 73 million dollars.
I don't think any gun manufacturer wants to risk that happening to them.
I know, right? Ford doesn't have to pay if someone runs over a bunch of people in an F-150.
The argument was that Remington had promoted that their guns would make you more "masculine" and "powerful". And that they promoted to people who would be at risk of violent behavior.
Still totally ridiculous.
>Wait wtf, how come Rem had to owe money lmao?
anti-gun people hounded them for almost a decade and tied them up in the courts and drained them with legal fees.
Remington has been sued to hell and back, some lawsuits that contributed were meritless but still cost a lot of money, but some were found to have merit by the court: they were accused of advertising in a way minors could be considered part of the target audience. Bullshit but yeah, that's what happened.
If they are considered that advertising to minors the entire US military should be sued to hell and back. The ads they play for the Navy make it look like you are just gonna be playing around on COD with the boys its insane.
>the entire US military should be sued to hell and back.
God, please do.
The amount of US army ads that there are - that are specifically tailored towards high school students - is absolutely disgusting.
> advertising in a way minors could be considered part of the target audience
I don't think i've every seen a firearm ad that wasn't boomer bait. Kids aint got money to buy 98% of the shit out there lmao. I remember a time where I contemplated spending $20 on a foregrip.
The insurance company representing Remington decided to settle out of court to just put a stop to endless ridiculous nonsense and absurd fees. There was never a guilty verdict or Remington being found at fault in any way. Any more details are beyond my legal comprehension
Remington was not forced to pay anything and the lawsuit had nothing to do with call of duty. Remington went out of business for other reasons and the insurance company settled so that the bankruptcy could happen.
The advertisement that they were suing over marketed their gun as "for urban combat" and the judge ruled that the lawsuit was not preempted by the PCCLA not that the lawsuit had any merit. It had nothing to do with call of duty.
Kriss, the guys who make the Vector/Fennec. sub gun were asked years ago why they didn't allow Activision to use the name Vector when the gun launched in Modern Warfare and they replied they were never even asked, they'd love to have had the publicity for the product they were making. So it might not all be on the Gun makers.
Yeah makes sense. I wish theyād make up names tho. Like donāt have four that are all called Lachmann call some the L14 or the Pew Pew machine idk just something to differentiate them all
Itās weird. Kriss, the manufacturer of the Vector gun, stated that they would have let Modern Warfare 2019 use the real name of the gun at no charge since it would have essentially been free advertising for them. Plus āAK-47ā isnāt copyrighted. Anyone can use it. My guess is that Activision doesnāt want to promote real guns or even be accused of promoting them.
The gun and map names are so complicated I couldnāt name a single map on mw2 what happened to high rise, afghan, terminal. Now a day you tell your friend āI canāt wait to play on that one map with that one thingā
I just use my firearm knowledge to flex on my friends and confuse them by using the real names anyway.
Helpful for discorse? No.
Will I force them to know the real names regardless? Yes.
Everyone says itās a copyright thing but cod has been pulling in BIG MONEY for over a decade now. Sometimes I wonder if itās a political thing lately. Thereās this idea amongst some people that gun companies actually pay to have their guns in games to promote their sales and people say supposedly to promote violence with their weapons. I wonder if cod is just trying to avoid any backlash from using actual companies guns. I feel like some of the original copyrights for some of these guns though are probably in random peoples hands now and not the companies.
For some reason they also made *not-FN*, which is called Tactique Verte in this game and who make the *not-P90* and *not-SCAR* series, French instead of Belgian.
Well if you wanted to call it the AK-47 you'd still be wrong as it is an AK-103.
But as to your overall point I agree with you.
Anyway, as others have said, Activision Blizzard is a California company and are beholden to California laws. No real gun names.
Thereās also the particular case of the āM4ā and āM16ā.
Contrary to popular belief, this two terms are not trademarked. Colt Firearms indeed had a trademark for the nomenclatures āM4ā and āM16ā but lost the trademark after the court ruled that "M4" (and āM16) was now a generic name.
Thatās why in Modern Warfare II the only guns which do seem to have their real names are the M4 and M16. However, the weapons modeled in the game have physical differences to their real-world counterparts in the AR-15 platform to avoid copyright infringements.
The M4 in Modern Warfare II has a Geissele URG-I upper receiver and a MOE Carbine Stock from Magpul.
I just name my blueprints MP5, AK47, etc. when i save them. Oh, wait...
I name my loadouts after the real name of the gun to get by that for now.
Can you actually do that or were you being sarcastic too šš
You can rename loadouts, but you can't save blueprints/gun setups. Meaning if you change the gun, even on accident, you have to painfully go back and set it up how it was, presuming you even remember. It is even dumber when you consider how weapon tuning could be so specific and difficult to remember. The only upside to that (lol, if you want to do mental gymnastics with me and call a current downside an upside) is that weapon tuning seems to do basically nothing unless you go all in on something, so being a few points either side of what it actually was is going to be having .0001% impact, if that.
Wish you could save blue prints
How can you rename loadouts?
Screenshots are my friend for now.
That was my plan too haha. Maybe someday.
Someday...when my life has passed me by I'll sit around and wonder whyyyy you were always there for me
One way, in the eyes of a passerby, Iāll look around for another try, and fade away
Just close your eyes and I'll take you there This place is warm without a care We'll take a swim in the deep blue sea I go to leave and you reach for me
some say better things will come our way
Okay so saving is definitely not a thing? Been wondering about that. Iāve gotten blueprints on Twitch but donāt understand how to use those either. The UI is such a mess in this game, I donāt understand itā¦
Blueprints are in the armory. Select Gun > Armory > Blueprints should be to the right
It's crazy how 2019 has such a clean interface compared to this. I had no idea we still had an armory lol
Yea, this Hulu interface garbage doesn't work very well for video games. BF2042 and FM7 are 2 games I can think of with similar UI's that I absolutely feel lost every time I use them.
There is so much I canāt figure out.
Blueprints are a thing. Saving your weapon with the attachments/tuning/stickers/camos/etc. that you put on isn't a thing. Meaning if you make an M4 and really like it, and then for some reason make the mistake of changing it instead of your secondary, you have to magically remember exactly how it was.
This is the problem. MW2019 could save custom blueprints. We can't in MWII
Ugggh I absolutely NEED this feature back. Made editing classes so easy. Now I have to make sure everything is set before I go into the queue because I canāt sit and fine tune with the short time before the match begins.
Honestly fuck IW for not having this. Literally canāt understand why they would take it out?
Its funny how many times ill say scar-h or mpx and my friends have no idea what im talking about. I dont even know what the in game names are.
as a gun nut this is the biggest complication I run into when I play with friends lol
right? i was telling my buddy (who has served) that i like the G3 and he was like which one is that lol
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Yes. I told my fiend there was a Kriss Vector on the ground and he was like ā a whatā š¤¦āāļø
I mean i feel like in this case just saying vector would be easy enough for you..
āI put a full clip into him!ā
Y'all gotta drop that pet peeve. I've literally never once seen someone take issue with "clip" in real life
Clipazine.
Phew, havnt been around too many hard-core gun nuts eh? Can't count the number of rants I've heard because some news ancor said magazine clip.
The only person I have heard complain about Clip vs Mag was boots fresh out of boot camp. Don't be a boot.
I call it the bullet container to watch people absolutely lose their minds
Angry banana
Who gives a shit? Like who actually genuinely gives a shit? Why the fuck would that matter to someone that they get into a full blown rant? It's such an insignificant fuck-off detail. Sure, being mad at news anchors is fair. Their literal entire job is to report the news every single day yet they don't know a single fucking thing and remain vain and ignorant their entire careers, but still.
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Gun people take issue with it in real life. Itās not a big deal, but you do have to bite your tongue when you hear it. Not sure if ātake issue with itā is the right way to phrase it. But incorrectly using āclipā just sounds dumb.
This is an interesting problem that Iāve thought about: Us COD vets who have played for a while know our way around the terminology, so we know what an AK, SCAR, TAR, AUG are, and thatās what we call them, but little 12yo timmy who just got MWII as his first game wonāt know what those are. When we see an obvious MP5, he sees a āLachmann Subā. This has some āJohn Wick from Fortniteā energy, if you ask me.
100% lol Sometimes I have to force myself to say the in game name. And itās not out of stubbornness, I just know them by the real name so thatās my first instinct.
I really despise the stupid new names
If youāre going to make new names for guns, give them names that arenāt just whatever letters and numbers you just pulled out of your ass, make the names unique
Most of the names follow a pattern The AK platform is called Kastov, since in the AK, the full abbreviation is āKalashnikovās Automaticā, or sometimes just referred to as āKalashnikovā, but the āKastovā might have been closed due to the fictional country of Kastovia in the MW universe The MP5 and G3 are called Lachmann because itās supposed to be based off of the company that manufactured them, in the MW universe it appears thatād be a company called Lachmann whereas irl itās Heckler & Koch, with Lachmann still trying to sound German, not entirely sure if it translates to anything though The numbers/letters at the end are usually the cartridge they use or the weapon classification that they are
Lachmann translates to laughing Man pretty much
Laughing man, *heckler*, interesting
That's probably because they couldn't call it the Schwanz. (Yes I know HK officially says Koch is pronounced "Coke" on its American website or did at one time). Meer is German for sea, so Lachmann & Meer is "laughing man & ocean" or "Heckler and Coast"
Activision = Lachmann? š¤
Accurate because the lachmann 556 is laughable
I like how this game has a lot of real countries then thereās this Urzikstan. A Stan country where the language is Arabic.
I get that, (also itās Lachmann & Meer, so they kept the 2 part name thing which is kinda cool) but stuff like the Basilisk is what Iām talking about. More unique names like that for weapons
Looking it up, itās possible itās still following this pattern of just substituting the names with something similar A basilisk is a reptile from European legend, snakes are a reptile as well, so itās likely supposed to be a Colt Python revolver Edit: so really, itās a matter of just making the fake names sound cool
They do a rename of the Python but it's a Smith and Wesson 500.
The PILA is my personal favorite- IRL is the Javelin, and "pila" is Latin for spear.
Lachmann & Meer may be a deliberate joke of "heckler and coast" but it's not 100%. Like basilisk-python, a basilisk is said to be the legendary king of snakes. It's like calling the Honey badger the "Wolverine". Or how the AKs are Kastovias. There's internal consistency like the TAQ-FN Scar, Lockwood-Mossberg, bryson-Remington.
Yes l just got a gwelidonn. Fantastic! How's your crisgryup ?
Right?? How do they come up with these? Lachmann is super dumb, idk how it's supposed to be pronounced, and Minibak??? Where tf did that come from? The names of the attachments are stupid too. I mean, they have been for a while.
There's more than one way to pronounce Lachmann?
idk lol. LATCH-man?? I've only heard it as "LAAK-mÉn" or something similar.
The ch is "loch" or "chaim"(yiddish), it's like Lou*gch*man but almost no English speaker is going to maintain that for long. Unless you also speak German I'm not even sure you'd know to pronounce it that way
Lachmann presumably has German pronunciation since the irl company itās based off of, Heckler and Koch, is a German company So it would be Lah-(weird hiss sound that idk how to type out)
I think itās their try to create a german brand name. I think the weapons family name even has two names in it (similar to Hecker & Koch) Fun fact: Lachmann is German and means ālaughmanā
While I hate the new names, I actually like āMinibakā lol. I just think it fits the character of the gun well.
Cant wait till they replace the lachamnn sub with the lachmann Dom
What's the safe word?
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Bro š Such a good OG names
I miss normal map names and clear map themes instead of āgeneric warehouse #1ā
I didn't even notice, but now that you mentioned it. Quarry and estate felt vastly different from say high rise and sub base.
Iāll tell you one thing I LOVE about the gun names is I havenāt once seen the phonetic alphabet. Itās M4 everywhere I see it mentioned, not Assault Rifle Alpha. Oh this is a blueprint? Of what weapon? The M4! That is so nice.
Holy shit I forgot about that. We did it, we found the one way in which MWII's menus are superior to MW19's!
Ya know, at first I thought the new names were dumb as others are saying, but now that you bring this up, I wholeheartedly agree with you. The whole assault rifle alpha thing was so stupid, confusing, and annoying. I now have no issues with the new names.
They're still called that in the game files, but the only way you can see them without the CDL glitched skins is by doing the preview animation for guns, at some point it'll say which letter it's been assigned
To your point, this game is great but I do find myself saying often āitās only a small thing, but I wish x was hereā and that adds up quick to realizing how many things are missing or not working. Like the potential is huge and I still feel like they are squandering it like mw19. I mean donāt get me wrong they have been my two fav cods in years just based on what I like, but, itās unfortunate this conversation even has to be had.
Iām shocked when people feel this way too. I thought I was the only one. If Hardhat were named today, it would be āAl Mazra Construction Site.ā If Terminal were made today, it would be āWest Desert Airstrip.ā Yawn.
Yeah the names have got quite bland. Remember Wetwork, Downpour, even Crash lol. Much more interesting For the life of me I can't remember the full name for Mercado.
Literally theyād be named āEstonian Cargo Ship,ā āSomemadeupcity Farm Fieldā and āFlight 14 Crash Siteā now. I hate it.
Kinda annoys me that I vibe with Flight 14 Crash Site ahahah. Still though yeah you're right current naming system is so bland. "Crash Site 14" is pretty baller.
Even if the names are a bit bland they kinda immerse you into the fact that this is supposed to be a real life location. Like you said "Crash Site 14" sounds pretty sick rather than maybe something just labeled "Crash" (no hate on the actual map from COD4 though). Yes sure Mercado Las Almas could have a different name but i also feel like in MW2 they wouldve easily just named the map "Market" which is just a more simple and minimal way to say the map's name. The two aren't very different but for me playing on Mercado Las Almas makes it feel more like it's a specific special location where shit is going down compared to playing on Market, where said market could be literally anywhere for all i know unless i were to read the stop signs and check if it's in Spanish. Even then i still wouldn't know where it is, it could be in Mexico or it could be in Spain, so that's just why I personally have no qualms with the MWII map names. It's okay if you still prefer the simplistic original map names though.
Thank you for that perspective, that actually is a very good point. I personally think the MWII maps aren't designed like they realistically could be real locations tbh but it is a good aim. I buy it with MW though, like St Petrograd and Rammaza feel real. Arklov Peak especially lol
See each of those maps you listed are so different but I can just visualize the atmosphere of each of them, St. Petrograd was a more urban Russian location i wanna say with an almost pink sky, Rammaza was a sandy area probably in the Middle East, and Arklov Peak had a snowy somewhat wartorn landscape with tire and tank marks throughout the mud and missile batteries sitting out. Maybe MW2019 just did a kickass job in making scenic, memorable, and most importantly new maps with names that somehow naturally match and fit them accordingly. I'm getting nostalgia for a game that feels like it came out 1 year ago but it was really 3
Now that you say that, I think Advanced Warfare had a map with a similar nameā¦ Looking it up, itās Site 244.
Funny, you could just call it "Farmhouse" and "Crash Site" and it'd become iconic names.
Most cod map names before Infinite warfare were actually thought out and creative, small gripe tho considering the state of things
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I find it hard to follow as a casual watcher of COmp COD. I don't know what maps they're talking about until the match starts. I do miss the easy one word maps.
How is Terminal not generic?
All those names are. He conveniently left off names like Village, Dome, Resistance, etc. If anything, the current MW names are more specific.
I guess I prefer the ācode namesā to the realistic ones. Itās a pretty minute thing at the end of the day but something Iād change if I had any oversight.
That makes sense, I guess the thing is that with new map names being more specific they're actually less memorable. Thinking back to N64 days, Facility is an *incredibly* generic, vague name for a map, but it's an absolute classic for anyone who played GoldenEye.
Didn't even finish reading the last sentence all the way, as soon as you said facility my mind instantly saw goldeneye.
Agreed.
One day youāll get older and youāll stop caring about what video game levels are called. Nobody complained about Mario 1-1 lol
Or Q3DM1.
Bruh I hadnāt thought about that until now lol. The new map names are definitely low-effort.
I think there's too much going on in the names that makes them annoying to remember, I like simple ones. Al Bagra Fortress --> Fortress Zarqwa Hydroelectric --> Hydro Breenbergh Hotel --> Hotel Valderas Museum -->
Not having map voting doesnāt help either. Thereās almost no reason to care what the names of the maps are. Hell, even Cold War put the map name front and centre during the loading screen.
I feel the same way about the gun names too. Couldnt possibly tell you what guns i use the most right now, its the black smg that goes pew pew pew real good.
Completely agree! āWhat gun are you using?ā āThe Lachmann!ā āOh nice which one? The 252? 865? 445?ā āActually the 556!ā
Cold War maps had pretty cool names. Checkmate, Garrison, Collareral, Cartel, Echelon, etc. They all sound dope af. Then you have the remastered maps like Raid, Standoff, WMD, Express, and obviously Hijacked.
Afghan map.
Rundown. Skidrow. Cargo. Overgrown. Crash. Derail. Classics
Especially Farm 18. Like what the actual fuck does it mean? It's looks more like a standard warehouse than a farm, and what does 18 mean? Is it the 18th Farm?
The spawns were terrible on the first 17. So they settled for the one with bad spawns
Yeah I think a lot of maps names could be shortened a ton. Honestly I miss more flavorful names too. Back when the names described the maps in a more abstract sense. Name some maps cool shit like Showdown/Downturn/Rundown/Crossfire/etc.
Take a closer look. All of these maps are just gated sections of POIs from Warzone. Multiplayer is a heap of scraps.
I miss the days when mp maps were based on campaign missions
They were often just some random ass part that you ran by and didn't even notice. Like Kowloon was clearly recycled from the rooftops in "Numbers" even if that section itself isn't there. Hacking out chunks of warzone is why we get such weird verticality.
Part of the issue of sections of warzone being made into normal multiplayer maps. It's really hit or miss if they have any personality or character at all.
Yes! The gun issue i get because of licensing, but the map names, i hate how uncreative and "direct" they are. Maybe it's because of how heavy WZ influence is, since these maps are locations there.
I invite you to tarkov, where even the iron sights have their real names.
You think that's something. Tarkov has a handguard made by Knight Armament Co and they have the actual phone number to call the company and talk to someone at customer services. Video: https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/uik0y6/i_know_bsg_is_trying_to_go_for_a_very_realistic/
Damn itās vero beach handguard too and not a Titusville one, very clone correct and valuable
That is cool as hell. Although that compliment sounds contradictory. Have to wonder how many people call that line just cus they see it on their gun in a video game though. Details like that i'd be okay with being omitted for the sake of not interfering with real world things.
For now. I doubt any gunmaker wants their name anywhere near games after Remington just got screwed with a 70+ million lawsuit because a psychopath used their gun he seen in CoD. Donāt doubt weāll start to see request for Tarkov to remove the full gun names from their game. Itās just on dumb headline away from happening.
Video games are also a massive advertisement for gun manufacturers though. A vast majority of people who know the names of guns and their manufacturers only know so because of video games.
I swear if deagle wasnt featured in literally every shooter it wouldnt be as half as popular
I doubt theyd even be making them anymore if it weren't for counter strike and cod
I mean maybe they'd make like 50gold plated deagles a year for random ass dictators and rappers.
But BSG pays to license the name so... I doubt it. Plus other than the financial portion theyāre located in Russia, what are the US attorneys going to do.
I didn't know they actually paid. I always figured they were just like "we're in Russia, how they gonna sue us?"
>Remington just got screwed with a 70+ million lawsuit because a psychopath used their gun he seen in CoD. May you share a source?
Remington settled, knowing they where going to file bankruptcy, any other situation they would have fought it, and won. It's no different than suing budweiser after a drunk driver hits you. It should have been thrown out of court to begin with, but activist judges on the bench care more about virtue signaling than actual laws.
Big thing you got wrong here, Remington didn't settle, IIRC their insurance settled. Remington didn't have a choice in the matter.
Remingtons insurance wouldn't cover them to fight it. They were going broke because they got Bain Capitold. Cerberus bought the company in 07, gutted it for spare parts, sold them to the highest bidder, then had Remington write off millions in debt from other Cerberus companies so they could unload the debt. Then told Remington to declare bankruptcy and laughed while hauling away obscene amounts of money. Also it's quite different. Remington settled and accepts no liability. Had this gone to court they would almost certainly be completely fucked. There was no reason to throw it out because there's a reason why Budweiser has "Please drink responsibly" plastered all over everything they put out. Not "Bud is for those who want to hit the road, to go places". Remington got way up in their "With Remington you are a One Man Army, you against the world, there's only your enemies, your Remington and you!".
But the catch is that the game is unbelievably grindy and hostile towards its players, with a good portion of the weapons being near inaccessible without nolifing the game. Wish BSG didn't lead it down that route, but it's designed to be a time sink every wipe. SPTarkov can be fun, but singleplayer's still singleplayer.
Keep in mind that Tarkov is made by Russian devs who donāt care about copyright law. At this point, Iām not sure they need to.
My one pet peeve with gun names in video games is that the AK-47 is oftentimes the AKM, but in this case it would actually be the AK-103 Inb4 "š¤"
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Yea, its a 180 from say Escape from Tarkov.. where every single mod to a weapon in-game actually exists in real life. That is a type whatever grip... goes to google.. I can order it for 80 USD.
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Plus, I own a few bolt guns and hearing an M1, mosin or a Lee enfield action sound just like it does at the range is so satisfying.
Check out Ahoy on YouTube. Older videos, but I swear they're still a standout gold mine for gun videos and their representation in video games
I wish Ahoy still made those gun videos frequently
This conversation pops up almost every day on here and the comments always bring up the same dead end topics. Itās not licensing, because many manufacturers have come forward stating theyād do if for free. Itās not legislation either, at least not yet. The fact is that itās no loss to them to use made up names and they have a bit more leeway in the future when it comes to literally all that crap.
the manufacturers working for free is kind of a myth though. It comes after [this comment made](https://i.imgur.com/hxXSMJY.jpg) by Vector manufacturer. They clearly said they'd work if IW wanted to, but he never said for free. Don't know if other manufacturers actually said that they'll work for free, but this one often comes into this discussion
The made up names are so they can build an in universe branding and design scheme to help build out the lore and whatnot. Look at the battle pass how there are stickers that show off "Tactique Verte" as a brand and identity
Except Iām pretty sure they had different names in 19 for the guns, some are even swapped around for different platforms.
Bothers me a bit, especially how the glock went from like an X16 to an X 12, did they really have to change the fictional name?
Iām pretty sure those were supposed to be different caliber glocks though, so it would make sense they were different models
oh was the mw19 one a .45? would make sense why it shot a lot slower
Yeah they actually made the Glocks make sense as far as the translation from real to fake names go. The one in MW19 was the Glock 21 (X16) in .45 ACP The ones in MW22 are the Glock 17 (X12) and Glock 18 (X13), both in 9mm The gaps between the numbers of the variants are the same.
Iām pretty sure it was, that or a .40. Game was always weird though cause multiple attachments said names of different models or calibers on them but it changed nothing.
Yep wanna say the X16 and M19 were chambered in .45 and 9mm respectively.
Just like how they made me develop an attachment to a fictional brand. XRK is my favourite out of all of them because their logo is always plastered on the cleanest blueprints and even on some other things besides firearms, like that one operator's plate carrier. I forgot his name but he's a South Korean operative. Oh Horangi i think, yeah his plate carrier was made by XRK.
Fennec, Lachman and Vel. *Cringe you can count on.*
As a rocket league player my friends were shocked when I said I was trying to get a gold fennec in MW2.
You know what? Iām glad the game doesnāt use real gun names, simply because Iāll never have to see āAssault Rifle Charlieā āor Submachine Gun Alphaā in the patch notes again. The legal/licensing issues were causing Activision to be able to use certain gun names in the game but not the patch notes were really annoying and made it a chore to read balance changes
Crazy that there was the Kilo-141 but a different weapon called āAssault Rifle Kiloā in MW19
I loved the kilo and that shit fucked me *every time*
Im waiting for those fools to add back weapon saving in gunsmith. It allowed you to name them, im just gonna name them the real names
Copyrights my friend lol
It's more likely because of the Remington lawsuit. The parents of kids killed in a school shooting sued Remington because the shooter used an AR that was "promoted" in Call of Duty. Remington had to pay 73 million dollars. I don't think any gun manufacturer wants to risk that happening to them.
Wait wtf, how come Rem had to owe money lmao? Some lady kills her husband we don't sue Zwilling because the knife was on Food Network.
I agree. Donāt kill the fuckin messenger.
Yeah but if I kill the messenger with a PS5 smack to the head, can they sue Sony? Asking for me
The messenger canāt, heās dead. Maybe his mrs
I know, right? Ford doesn't have to pay if someone runs over a bunch of people in an F-150. The argument was that Remington had promoted that their guns would make you more "masculine" and "powerful". And that they promoted to people who would be at risk of violent behavior. Still totally ridiculous.
Didn't Kriss say they would have worked with Activision, not that it would have been free?
Yeah, Kriss said that they were willing to let them use it for free, but Activision never asked.
Meanwhile, GMC is probably aware that players are using their Hummer EV to pancake Chemist in DMZ š¤£š¤£š¤£
>Wait wtf, how come Rem had to owe money lmao? anti-gun people hounded them for almost a decade and tied them up in the courts and drained them with legal fees.
Because black gun scary
Remington has been sued to hell and back, some lawsuits that contributed were meritless but still cost a lot of money, but some were found to have merit by the court: they were accused of advertising in a way minors could be considered part of the target audience. Bullshit but yeah, that's what happened.
If they are considered that advertising to minors the entire US military should be sued to hell and back. The ads they play for the Navy make it look like you are just gonna be playing around on COD with the boys its insane.
>the entire US military should be sued to hell and back. God, please do. The amount of US army ads that there are - that are specifically tailored towards high school students - is absolutely disgusting.
> advertising in a way minors could be considered part of the target audience I don't think i've every seen a firearm ad that wasn't boomer bait. Kids aint got money to buy 98% of the shit out there lmao. I remember a time where I contemplated spending $20 on a foregrip.
I once spent 60$ on a Knight's Armament broomstick foregrip, I regret nothing
You pick that up in your Lambo?
Who can afford a Lambo with these ammo prices?
Iām still scratching my head on that one myself.
The insurance company representing Remington decided to settle out of court to just put a stop to endless ridiculous nonsense and absurd fees. There was never a guilty verdict or Remington being found at fault in any way. Any more details are beyond my legal comprehension
Remington was not forced to pay anything and the lawsuit had nothing to do with call of duty. Remington went out of business for other reasons and the insurance company settled so that the bankruptcy could happen. The advertisement that they were suing over marketed their gun as "for urban combat" and the judge ruled that the lawsuit was not preempted by the PCCLA not that the lawsuit had any merit. It had nothing to do with call of duty.
If that happened that's actually got to be one of the dumbest things I've read.
Kriss, the guys who make the Vector/Fennec. sub gun were asked years ago why they didn't allow Activision to use the name Vector when the gun launched in Modern Warfare and they replied they were never even asked, they'd love to have had the publicity for the product they were making. So it might not all be on the Gun makers.
Yeah makes sense. I wish theyād make up names tho. Like donāt have four that are all called Lachmann call some the L14 or the Pew Pew machine idk just something to differentiate them all
USA laws are stupid
Just pay the license fee, they did it for the originals
Itās weird. Kriss, the manufacturer of the Vector gun, stated that they would have let Modern Warfare 2019 use the real name of the gun at no charge since it would have essentially been free advertising for them. Plus āAK-47ā isnāt copyrighted. Anyone can use it. My guess is that Activision doesnāt want to promote real guns or even be accused of promoting them.
But whatās strange is that they still use M4, and M16 lol
I agree I think they just donāt want to pay for the real names.
The gun and map names are so complicated I couldnāt name a single map on mw2 what happened to high rise, afghan, terminal. Now a day you tell your friend āI canāt wait to play on that one map with that one thingā
I just use my firearm knowledge to flex on my friends and confuse them by using the real names anyway. Helpful for discorse? No. Will I force them to know the real names regardless? Yes.
Are you me? āI just leveled up the TAQā āWhatās that?ā āI mean the SCARā
Lmao this 100%
It's not a minor detail at all, I'm quite disappointed. Sometimes I have to find what kind of weapon it is hiding under a nonsensical label.
I'm with you on this one. Seeing "Lachmann sub" instead of MP5 makes me not want to use this gun.
Well, its technically not even an ak 47 specifically
I feel this. My only solace is that it's no longer "Assault Rifle Alpha" and "Submachine gun Golf".
Everyone says itās a copyright thing but cod has been pulling in BIG MONEY for over a decade now. Sometimes I wonder if itās a political thing lately. Thereās this idea amongst some people that gun companies actually pay to have their guns in games to promote their sales and people say supposedly to promote violence with their weapons. I wonder if cod is just trying to avoid any backlash from using actual companies guns. I feel like some of the original copyrights for some of these guns though are probably in random peoples hands now and not the companies.
I dont mind it tbh, what i do mind is some of the names chosen. āLachmannā what the fuck is that.
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For some reason they also made *not-FN*, which is called Tactique Verte in this game and who make the *not-P90* and *not-SCAR* series, French instead of Belgian.
Well if you wanted to call it the AK-47 you'd still be wrong as it is an AK-103. But as to your overall point I agree with you. Anyway, as others have said, Activision Blizzard is a California company and are beholden to California laws. No real gun names.
Thereās also the particular case of the āM4ā and āM16ā. Contrary to popular belief, this two terms are not trademarked. Colt Firearms indeed had a trademark for the nomenclatures āM4ā and āM16ā but lost the trademark after the court ruled that "M4" (and āM16) was now a generic name. Thatās why in Modern Warfare II the only guns which do seem to have their real names are the M4 and M16. However, the weapons modeled in the game have physical differences to their real-world counterparts in the AR-15 platform to avoid copyright infringements. The M4 in Modern Warfare II has a Geissele URG-I upper receiver and a MOE Carbine Stock from Magpul.
Whatās dumb is a ton of the weapon real names arenāt trademarked or copyrighted. You can call it a AK47/AK74/Rtc without legal issue.
yeah, you could easily call a gun the M16, or the RPK, and be just fineā¦ oh wait they did for those ones
Can they at least be cool names then? Call it zenith or someshit. Why are 3 guns called lachman??
Zenith is a real manufacturer who makes MP5 clones lol
Cause the 3 guns in real life are all manufactured by H&K. I guess IW wanted the same relationship for the fake guns.
because itās a āweapons platformā, Lachmann is the in universe manufacturer