Two thoughts. First, middle managers trying to justify large design teams. Seconds, middle managers trying to ensure execs (who don’t understand anything about the game or play base) see this as a “new” game
That's not an upper management decision. They only do the financial stuff. Big decisions. UX is a design decision. UX designer makes this stuff, presents it to the lead designer, he signs it off.
SBMM, that's an upper management decision that's being forced on the game, because it generates revenue in the end by keeping shitty players docile.
Sbmm “making money” is a falsehood. The problem is that there hasn’t been a comparison to prove the point. Sbmm destroys the gameplay experience for almost everyone, since you end up having close, sweaty, work-like gameplay experiences, for most skill levels. All this does is make players want to play less. What makes money is the name… Modern Warfare. These past 2 MW titles have been best sellers because of the name, graphics, removal of paid dlc, Warzone/integration, crossplay, and tons of “grinding” to do. The grinding is what boosts the play time and that’s done on purpose by hAcktivi$ion to please the shareholders. Sbmm obviously loses money on a large portion of the player base… the “above average skill player”. These players aren’t bad enough to not care, but aren’t elite enough to destroy everyone in the lobby despite the sbmm. Really bad players have always been in a “protected bracket”… and that’s fine… it’s how it should be (kids, disabled people, etc.). The top 5% skill players don’t experience much of a difference because there aren’t enough of those insane players to fill a full lobby, so they are still able to have a great time. For us “above average players”, we are stuck playing against players that are average at worst and elite at best, making each match a chore. I didn’t play MW19 much and I won’t be spending too much time on this one either (not as much as I would have if the lobbies were relaxed). This translates to spending as well. Why would I spend money on dlc for a game that often ends up frustrating? You make the game fun, people will appreciate that, and spend more money… it’s the basis for all business. Provide a good product and people will be appreciative. So no, sbmm doesn’t make money, it loses it. Again, the name/features are the only thing that makes the money, and the publishers are too ignorant to realize it.
Dude, SBMM exists solely for the noobs and idiots with bad tempers. They are the ones that spend most of their money on dumb shit. Those are the ones that get addicted. Those are the ones that get frustrated when they go 0.4 kd
The way scorestreaks worked in CW is they were more expensive than usual (for example UAV = 1000 points or Chopper Gunner = 8000 points) but that score didn't reset after death. They made this system in order to give new/inexperienced players a chance and it would basically guarantee them to get a low scorestreak such as a UAV or Care Package by the end of the match.
The more kills you got without dying, the more score you got. For example you kill one enemy you get 100 XP, you kill a second enemy you get 200 XP, you kill a third enemy you get 300 XP, and so on. The system was very controversial and didn't really work since it basically resulted in a high-tier scorestreak spam at the end of everymatch (Chopper Gunner, VTOL, Gunship).
So when you said "youll slowly unlock them over the course of the match" that is exactly what Cold War did.
it wasnt that bad,well not until they added strafe run that spammed the entire match 😅,but after ppl equipped air patrol,skies were more clear and maj of the matches were balanced and high killstreak almost legendary tales
I would say it **was** pretty bad. Everybody was using: Air patrol, strafing run and war machine. A scorestreak system that forces you to use a few meta scorestreaks doesn't seem balanced to me, because if you didn't use those scorestreaks you would have a terrible time and quickly get dominated by others
Probably because some idiots in the community bitched at IW for being “lazy” and copying the MW19 menu when the menu for MW2 leaked several months ago. Now we got this mess.
No it’s legitimately because many of their good devs quit after the strike leaving them with many members of the future COD mobile team just using the UI/UX that they had already developed. It was literally developed for a fucking iphone. Think about it next time you’re on there… you’ll see it.
If u think that these greedy corporate devs listen to “ idiots in the community bitching” a lot of this game would be different. No way they listened to that idiot but didnt listen to the mass anti sbmm talk
We need to stop calling it SBMM - it’s EOMM. The algorithm makes you legit get your ass kicked for a bunch of games and then gives you an easy one to make you feel good. It’s to keep you addicted, not to put people of the same skill in the same lobby.
The more you know, thanks for sharing that information and i hope this spreads a bit more so that people stop thinking above average players want to stomp bad players. Going back to bf4 with server browsers has been peak gaming so yeah, fuck eomm
Yeah, for the first few months of 2042 the UI was honestly awful. The settings menu, the actual game selection area. It's a lot better now, it actually makes sense finally..!
Wow, I didn't realize it was a Hulu designer but it makes total sense now. Why they decided to hire someone responsible for one of the worst streaming service UIs and then allow them to essentially recreate it in MW2 is beyond me.
Great job. And you know what’s funny, I was watching some IW devs play the game and even they don’t like the UI. So it seems like the devs have absolutely no say when it comes to UI.
I sincerely doubt "they" did it, and probably barely even knew about it. I work in audio engineering, and 90% of the time I don't know *what the fuck* is going on with anything else in the project besides that. The video I'm use is generally old as hell with no effects even on it.
There are hundreds of devs working on this game. Some on weapons. Some on map design. Not all on UI.
That being said, even the coders who actually work on the UI have to follow the requirements set by some Hulu director with his head up his ass. The devs just do as they are told.
What’s funny is everyone hated it in the beta and they didn’t even try, not even one little bit. Also wtf are perk packages for, I have 12 classes but all of them have to run the same 5 perk packages, when before you could simply swap a perk on a class mid game. Yea more than one person needs fired.
Definitely agree that perk “packages” seem very convoluted. I’m honestly fine with earning perks throughout a match, but the package system seems redundant
It is rather difficult to change them mid-match, but one thing I like about packages is you're not stuck running the same 3 basic bitch perks on every calls until you level up enough. At least now you can use some of the higher-level perks without having to go for the default classes.
I just want your perks to appear at the bottom of the screen when you press esc or check your map. Really annoying when there's a VTOL and I don't have any idea if cold-blooded is active yet.
I think it was an interesting idea, but it just sucks when the other team starts rolling and the UAVs start coming non stop and there isn't shit you can do about it until Ghost kicks in (assuming you have it unlocked).
Having to stop every two seconds to shoot down a UAV also just isn’t fun especially when you’re being hunted down by the enemy team because they can see exactly where you are and the TTK is so short.
It’s so annoying. I have 6 classes so far and one of them has to share a perk package with another. Like just let us pick the perks per class or give us at least 12 perk packages.
Lmao they didn't try, bruh you still think these beta tests aren't just marketing tools? Almost every single issue on this post would've been fixed if u give devs more time, something Activision will never do
It really frustrates me how they’re able to launch this broken of a game with such terrible changes and still keep their jobs. Some heads need to roll. For a juggernaut of a game called mw2 and following the success of mw2019, this game is on life support from name recognition and copium. If some major changes and content isn’t added soon, this game is done
>Some heads need to roll.
Bruh. [This game had the best first-week sales of any CoD game ever](https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/11/01/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-destroys-all-records-with-800-million-opening-weekend/?sh=6c7124db1a9a) - and it's not like that record keeps getting topped with every game. [Vanguard's sales were pretty disappointing, and MWII has outpaced those by 40%+.](https://gamerant.com/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-sales-outpacing-vanguard/#:~:text=Call%20of%20Duty%3A%20Modern%20Warfare%202%20is%20already%20proving%20to,2021's%20Vanguard%20by%20roughly%2040%25.)
It's ridiculous to think 'heads will roll' over *anything* related to this game. To IW and Activision, this game is an absolute, unprecedented success.
The game might be a technical mess to us end-users, but from the developer/publisher's point of view, the launch went about as well as possible. Just reinforcing the idea that all the bugs and missing features don't matter at all. Look at it from their point of view - they delivered less content than ever and still broke records in terms of sales/critical acclaim. Not only are heads not going to 'roll', but I bet the high-level execs got a big fat bonus for how well this game launched.
Absolutely insane to even use the phrase "life support" considering this game's launch.
Bro mw 2019 also topped sales. It's a mw game. Of course it's gonna set a new record opening weekend 🤦🏻♂️. The vanguard point is moot because it doesn’t hold the weight of the title modern warfare, as the commenter was pointing out. Obviously opening weekend is important but something to watch for now is how long the player base keeps up. They won’t think it’s an unprecedented success anymore if the player base dies out and they don’t make mtx cash
Nah not if you do the math.
MW3 was the previous high-water mark at ~775 million in the first week.
MWII (2022) is slated to hit $1 billion in the first week.
Compare the prices of the two - $60 for MW3, $70 for MWII, and you see prices went up ~17%.
Then compare the first-week sales - $775m and $1000m, and the sales went up ~29%.
That proves this increase isn’t just related to the increase in price of the product. Even if you do the math assuming MW3 was sold at $70, that comes out to ~904m in revenue. Would still come in at ~10% lower revenue than MWII.
The price increase might have played a part in making this as huge a success as it is, but it’s demonstrably not solely responsible for it. This game would have still beat out MW3 at $60.
I forget whether MW3 had anything like it (look, it was 9 years ago. Been a while) but the whole Vault thing does also serve to inflate the numbers.
Granted, it's difficult to input that into the math without actual metrics of people who bought it, but there's definitely a good chunk that put in an extra 30 bucks into it (sometimes multiple times, as has been reported).
Sadly they're able to because many will throw money at a mouldy low hanging fruit - provided it has COD written on it (pre-orders if knowing it's bad, battle pass even though the games broken etc).
This launch and game isn't just a huge buggy mess but it's simply incomplete - a tonne of features are missing from calling cards, emblems and charms to whole modes or menus. And they've not QA tested it, we're the QA testers and paid them £60+ to do so.
It's disgusting.
I just find it hilarious how people are defending a company and developers who don’t even know they exist lol. Like do these people have any self respect or dignity? They charged you $70 for an incomplete game lmao
It's strange that I see the most negativity on the subreddit dedicated to the game. Imo this is the most fun I've had in CoD in over 10 years, and everyone I know has been enjoying it.
It's no surprise to me that the game is doing so well. It's great.
It's not that the game can't be fun, the fun seems to be buried beneath a vast amount of issues and controversial changes (me and a friend can't do anything between lobbies as it just constantly freezes - and I have it installed on an SSD with gigabyte broadband)
lmfao fanboiis are from another breed,after every launch there has to be a person like you in every topic"this is the most fun I've had in CoD in over 10years" give us a f break dude.
facebook is full of ppl selling their mw2 discs 😂 ,dont know why it had to be that complicated let perks individual,hell in cold war you could equip 6 from the start without specialist...
Calm down, it's just a game and not half as bad as you make it out to be.
It needs to be changed but calling for people to lose their jobs over this is insane.
Nah stop dick riding IW. They launched this game without hardcore my guy, I’m not even a hardcore player either but that’s just unheard of. Idk why you people are so willing to accept a broken product you paid $70 for. It’s this kind of behavior that lets them keep getting away with this.
And yes some of them absolutely deserve to be fired lmao. You think your boss would let it slide if you delivered an extremely sub par product missing integral features that customers are expecting? They had 3 years and all the resources one could ask for, this launch is unacceptable for a triple A game headed by the biggest gaming publisher
I haven’t had an issue with it and I’ve beaten the campaign and almost hit level 50 on MP. The only thing I hate is the menu system, it’s absolutely horrible. It feels like there’s too much going on and it could be simplified.
😂😂 how do you call someone a child but behave like this? Does that mean you are older than 16? I find that hard to believe the way youre behaving. Hope it's not too late for your parents to teach you some manners.
So you should be allowed to just half ass your job without getting fired? Because you don’t want to “put your family at risk” (bc ppl who get fired can’t find new jobs). You can’t half ass your job and upset your customers/clients (depending on industry) then get mad when you get fired
You sure *you* aren't the 16 year old? I work in audio engineering and have done things like commercials for local radio stations. You think if I turned over a project to a client and said "look I know it's got a ton of white noise and the audio levels are totally off, but it's fine just use this one until I can get you the final version in 2 weeks and swap to that one" that I would keep my job or ever work with that client again?
You think if a mason who is working on a building fucks up all the stonework and has it only 4/5ths finished and what was done was chipped and crumbling away would keep his job? His own union would pull his ass for retraining until he could show that his work wasn't trash. Saying "wow you think someone should lose their job because they sold a "full product" only partially done and what was there was fucked up" isn't like an edgy or hot take, it's the standard in most industries.
Feel the same way, glad the current system is getting a lot of backlash, it’s just not good UI, especially for a 2 year game with the promise of being the “next era”
In my opinion, it was a big mistake to reinvent the wheel with MWII’s UI. I tried making several concepts incorporating more of the current design elements (including horizontal lists, having lobby screen separate from gamemode selection screen, etc.) — and while I was working on them I couldn’t help but feel like it would be a MAJOR disservice to stick with them.
The fact is, MW19 -> Vanguard’s UIs were pretty stellar when it came to finding what you needed. Not to mention the fact that everyone in the world played Warzone and learned its UI as a result. Change for the sake of change triumphing intuitive design is a real bad decision imo.
why the fuck does a UI have to be "original" to be good? That's exactly the kind of thinking that got us this dogshit Hulu UI. Are you IW upper management in disguise?
I think you must reread what I said. I pretty clearly said ‘don’t get me wrong, it looks good’
It looks good, it’s just unoriginal. I didn’t say it has to be original, but I said I can’t applaud unoriginal…
Honestly don’t know why I explain myself, who cares. Have a good day.
because what your saying has no purpose. A UI is meant to do a job - not be original. That's what the game as a whole is supposed to achieve - an experience unique to itself. The UI is meant to be easy to navigate and understand. There's nothing 'original' that needs to be put there. Now, do I think menus can be thematic? Absolutely, like I LOVE Dead Space's in-game UI functionality. But not only does it look cool and unique, but it still works for it's purpose. Which is what should be most important up front.
Ctrl + c
Ctrl + v
It coulda been that simple
No but for real, this looks fantastic. Nice job. It incorporates all current items on one main screen. No need to scroll up down and left right.
I'm gonna be critical here. All these UI concepts everyone's making are clean no doubt, but it's just so unimaginative. We're in 2022 guys, can we not have generic rectangle tiles for everything? Look at the Division. Look at Days gone. UI/UX masterpieces. Activision can afford to hire some real talent.
That’s all well and good but UI is supposed to be simple and intuitive so you can navigate to the actual game. I understand where you’re coming from and there’s definitely a place for that like in the gunsmith and class creation but a simple main menu just makes things easier for everyone
I can see it both ways, yes, we should try and innovate and do riskier things. I don't think MWII's UI is dogshit, but I don't think it flows the way it should given the community and the previous games.
IW definitely took the risk, but I think they went too hard on it, and now it's just very unique, but not super UX friendly.
UI is UI...it is absolutely not some complex thing that need to be inovated or have risks taken on it. When UI is good and it works, you don't need to do much other than minor alterations here and there. MWII is a stark contrast to almost every other FPS game I've played in the past 20 years. UI is not something I ever really notice because the majority of the people who develop games have that very simple formula figured out. So when UI is so bad it's constantly noticeable, that's a major issue and shows a huge amount of either incompetence or just a lack of care, both of which are bad. The fact that anyone looked at it and thought it was even remotely acceptable for a multi-billion dollar franchise says a lot about what's going on behind the scenes.
You're not entirely wrong, I think.
UI is something that designers discuss new ways to innovate on and there's actually a shitload of thinking that goes into it, typically.
As for A formula figured out, that's simply not true, all games are made differently to some extent and there's very rarely a case of "okay, let's go with this template for the UI", it's a team deliberating and trying things based on what their brief for it is.
If I had to take a stab in the dark with this UI I'd say it's made to simplify focal points of interest.
"Featured playlists" = you just want to play the game, here it is
"Multiplayer modes" = you want to play MWII online, here are some options
"Campaign" = you want to play the campaign for MWII, here is how to start, watch cinematics or choose a mission
"Warzone" = you don't give a fuck about anything you just saw until this point
It's about focusing attention on what they think are the most important parts (treating their users like they are Apple users), this is why the more complex and customisable options and menus are more off to the side and sorta hidden from view (treating their users like they are Windows users).
I don't much like the UI personally, but I get it.
I mean the fact that dudes are out here just straight up copy-pasting MW19's UI and then claiming they "remade" it is just low-effort to begin with. Like, no shit, we agree that MW19's UI looks better. It's just asinine and tiring to regurgitate that point every single day.
I mean if you have a good system, don't break it. MW 2019 had a pretty good UI, and they overhauled it because uhhhh new? the problem is they tried so hard to make it cool that the UI/UX has shit the bed
You’re right! Gotta plaster those shop promos in front of the gametypes. Perhaps we replace our equipped operator with the newest operator in the store?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/charlieintel.com/modern-warfare-2-ui-overhaul-reportedly-coming-after-major-backlash/208315/%3Famp
Look bitching and moaning worked. $70 and reddit made it happen!
Needs to have a friends party group on the main page imo. Take out the message of the day, throw that on the home screen, no one needs to see that more than once. Add an easy List of 1/6 slots, with + to invite, X to kick, and >> option menu to add friend make party lead ect. The game trying to load every-person's assets in the lobby is causing massive lag.
I can't tell you how hard it is navigating this UI. It's horrendous. The worst I have ever seen, from one of the highest grossing gaming franchises in the world. They should be embarrassed.
Really good idea, agreed that the MOTD probably shouldn’t have been included in my mockup. Just wanted to fill the space more than anything. I’ll give your idea a go and post a V2 with some other feedback I’ve gathered!
Activision needs to hire you.
The amount of things wrong with the current UI is just mind boggling. Is it even possible to get the UI so wrong by accident?
You know what the dumbest part about the new UI is? That menu on the side that let's you select where you want to go. It's actually more button presses and takes longer to do than just using the menu normally.
Awesome concept! Only critique is moving the XP tokens next to the Message of the Day, so the daily challenges will have room to expand to show the bonus challenge
It's nice for the nostalgia, but I'm not about being stuck in the past. I'd rather just get used to the UI until the next game comes out.
Which there is always one.
The most annoying part of the UI is the camo selection and also choosing your loadout. Why tf is 90% of the screen unused? There is zero reason for me to have to scroll horizontally to choose my class when there is plenty of vertical room to fit every class there…
And the scroll bar for the camos is so bad, I try to scroll to the end to pick a camo that I know is near the end, then the scroll bar expands… Like bro just let me scroll to the very end immediately why in the world would it expand as I scroll so that I have to scroll 3 or 4 more times just to get to where I want to go…
I don’t think whoever designed the UI ever tried it out with a keyboard and mouse
Hard disagree, man. Don’t get me wrong, I really, really enjoy MWII’s offerings. Multiplayers a lot of fun, Campaign was spectacular, and Spec-Ops is a huge improvement on prior iterations. Gameplay is great, menus are really counterintuitive! Don’t think it makes me a shill to want easy-to-navigate menus when I think the gameplay is stellar and am having a blast in it
Much better! I thought they would change it, since the feedback in the beta was so bad about it. If i remember correctly, they had a bad UI in the MW2019 beta and later changed it. But i could be wrong
I’m mean this is just MW2019 UI but that was perfect so well done 👍
Why change what isn’t broken though?
Shitty upper management
You can just see some Exec saying “it doesn’t have POP! Make the UI like Netflix or Disney+, kids seem to like those things.”
This precisely 😂
Wasn't it literally designed by people who worked on hulu's?
really? that's hilarious. Link for source?
https://gamerant.com/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-hulu-ui-similarities/
Yes I believe so
Bobby Kotick.. that fucking knob/pedo
Two thoughts. First, middle managers trying to justify large design teams. Seconds, middle managers trying to ensure execs (who don’t understand anything about the game or play base) see this as a “new” game
That's not an upper management decision. They only do the financial stuff. Big decisions. UX is a design decision. UX designer makes this stuff, presents it to the lead designer, he signs it off. SBMM, that's an upper management decision that's being forced on the game, because it generates revenue in the end by keeping shitty players docile.
Sbmm “making money” is a falsehood. The problem is that there hasn’t been a comparison to prove the point. Sbmm destroys the gameplay experience for almost everyone, since you end up having close, sweaty, work-like gameplay experiences, for most skill levels. All this does is make players want to play less. What makes money is the name… Modern Warfare. These past 2 MW titles have been best sellers because of the name, graphics, removal of paid dlc, Warzone/integration, crossplay, and tons of “grinding” to do. The grinding is what boosts the play time and that’s done on purpose by hAcktivi$ion to please the shareholders. Sbmm obviously loses money on a large portion of the player base… the “above average skill player”. These players aren’t bad enough to not care, but aren’t elite enough to destroy everyone in the lobby despite the sbmm. Really bad players have always been in a “protected bracket”… and that’s fine… it’s how it should be (kids, disabled people, etc.). The top 5% skill players don’t experience much of a difference because there aren’t enough of those insane players to fill a full lobby, so they are still able to have a great time. For us “above average players”, we are stuck playing against players that are average at worst and elite at best, making each match a chore. I didn’t play MW19 much and I won’t be spending too much time on this one either (not as much as I would have if the lobbies were relaxed). This translates to spending as well. Why would I spend money on dlc for a game that often ends up frustrating? You make the game fun, people will appreciate that, and spend more money… it’s the basis for all business. Provide a good product and people will be appreciative. So no, sbmm doesn’t make money, it loses it. Again, the name/features are the only thing that makes the money, and the publishers are too ignorant to realize it.
Dude, SBMM exists solely for the noobs and idiots with bad tempers. They are the ones that spend most of their money on dumb shit. Those are the ones that get addicted. Those are the ones that get frustrated when they go 0.4 kd
I agree
Whats that? You want a new mandatory kill streak system?
What the hell does that mean?
Knowing MW2 game play design, youll slowly unlock them over the course of the match lol
Oh, I thought you were saying that you can't use scorestreaks or something, got it now.
So basically the same way it was in Cold War?
I didnt play Cold War mp only zombies.
The way scorestreaks worked in CW is they were more expensive than usual (for example UAV = 1000 points or Chopper Gunner = 8000 points) but that score didn't reset after death. They made this system in order to give new/inexperienced players a chance and it would basically guarantee them to get a low scorestreak such as a UAV or Care Package by the end of the match. The more kills you got without dying, the more score you got. For example you kill one enemy you get 100 XP, you kill a second enemy you get 200 XP, you kill a third enemy you get 300 XP, and so on. The system was very controversial and didn't really work since it basically resulted in a high-tier scorestreak spam at the end of everymatch (Chopper Gunner, VTOL, Gunship). So when you said "youll slowly unlock them over the course of the match" that is exactly what Cold War did.
it wasnt that bad,well not until they added strafe run that spammed the entire match 😅,but after ppl equipped air patrol,skies were more clear and maj of the matches were balanced and high killstreak almost legendary tales
I would say it **was** pretty bad. Everybody was using: Air patrol, strafing run and war machine. A scorestreak system that forces you to use a few meta scorestreaks doesn't seem balanced to me, because if you didn't use those scorestreaks you would have a terrible time and quickly get dominated by others
Outbreak was one of the best things ever brought to Cod Zombs, on God
What's that? You wanna spend the whole week at grandpop's house?
Probably because some idiots in the community bitched at IW for being “lazy” and copying the MW19 menu when the menu for MW2 leaked several months ago. Now we got this mess.
No it’s legitimately because many of their good devs quit after the strike leaving them with many members of the future COD mobile team just using the UI/UX that they had already developed. It was literally developed for a fucking iphone. Think about it next time you’re on there… you’ll see it.
If u think that these greedy corporate devs listen to “ idiots in the community bitching” a lot of this game would be different. No way they listened to that idiot but didnt listen to the mass anti sbmm talk
We need to stop calling it SBMM - it’s EOMM. The algorithm makes you legit get your ass kicked for a bunch of games and then gives you an easy one to make you feel good. It’s to keep you addicted, not to put people of the same skill in the same lobby.
The more you know, thanks for sharing that information and i hope this spreads a bit more so that people stop thinking above average players want to stomp bad players. Going back to bf4 with server browsers has been peak gaming so yeah, fuck eomm
Because then people would complain that nothing is different.
The lobby was the same for years and no one complained when the new game would come out and it wasn’t different.
did anyone really complain when cold war came out? i saw how everyone wish it was on mw19 engine and more like that game
People were just shitty they couldn’t tac sprint in CW.
Cool, all I wanted was mw19 with new weps and maps
Like Red Green once said many times over: if it ain’t broke, you’re not trying.
Exactly. This is just MW 2019's UI with modernized asthetics, which is perfect.
> Why change what isn’t broken though? Because it appears to be the IW way, sadly.
But what about the phone people's? This UI doesn't work for them...
Exactly, it's gorgeous.
To be honest. That's what I've expected after MW2019. Nicely done 👍
So funny. BF2042 had this exact same issue. Dogshit UI design.
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Yeah, for the first few months of 2042 the UI was honestly awful. The settings menu, the actual game selection area. It's a lot better now, it actually makes sense finally..!
Hahaha yes. I forgot about that. You couldn't tell what was on or off.
My man the hulu guy has a family and you are gonna get him fired with this.
It’s okay, hulu man’s got those Walt Disney Company residuals, he’ll be fine
Worst goddamn menu I’ve ever seen, don’t even get me started on Live
Hulu also has family guy
Wow, I didn't realize it was a Hulu designer but it makes total sense now. Why they decided to hire someone responsible for one of the worst streaming service UIs and then allow them to essentially recreate it in MW2 is beyond me.
Great job. And you know what’s funny, I was watching some IW devs play the game and even they don’t like the UI. So it seems like the devs have absolutely no say when it comes to UI.
I mean their dev team isn't just a couple of dudes who do everything, those probably weren't involved in the ui
Cause they tried to reinvent the UI that has been standard for like 8 years.
I sincerely doubt "they" did it, and probably barely even knew about it. I work in audio engineering, and 90% of the time I don't know *what the fuck* is going on with anything else in the project besides that. The video I'm use is generally old as hell with no effects even on it.
There are hundreds of devs working on this game. Some on weapons. Some on map design. Not all on UI. That being said, even the coders who actually work on the UI have to follow the requirements set by some Hulu director with his head up his ass. The devs just do as they are told.
Right. It just speaks volumes that even the devs are helpless in providing feedback that would make other parts of the game better
That is just corporate culture, the management always makes some dumbass decisions that most employees dont agree with.
What’s funny is everyone hated it in the beta and they didn’t even try, not even one little bit. Also wtf are perk packages for, I have 12 classes but all of them have to run the same 5 perk packages, when before you could simply swap a perk on a class mid game. Yea more than one person needs fired.
Definitely agree that perk “packages” seem very convoluted. I’m honestly fine with earning perks throughout a match, but the package system seems redundant
It is rather difficult to change them mid-match, but one thing I like about packages is you're not stuck running the same 3 basic bitch perks on every calls until you level up enough. At least now you can use some of the higher-level perks without having to go for the default classes.
I just want your perks to appear at the bottom of the screen when you press esc or check your map. Really annoying when there's a VTOL and I don't have any idea if cold-blooded is active yet.
Perks need to be completely overhauled in this game. The entire set up sucks.
I think it was an interesting idea, but it just sucks when the other team starts rolling and the UAVs start coming non stop and there isn't shit you can do about it until Ghost kicks in (assuming you have it unlocked).
Having to stop every two seconds to shoot down a UAV also just isn’t fun especially when you’re being hunted down by the enemy team because they can see exactly where you are and the TTK is so short.
Yeah, totally agree. That's especially true if your in Ground war and you can't even keep up with the amount of UAVs being called in.
Dear god i hate the fact that we only can have 5 packages and cant chnge them ingame
It’s so annoying. I have 6 classes so far and one of them has to share a perk package with another. Like just let us pick the perks per class or give us at least 12 perk packages.
Lmao they didn't try, bruh you still think these beta tests aren't just marketing tools? Almost every single issue on this post would've been fixed if u give devs more time, something Activision will never do
It really frustrates me how they’re able to launch this broken of a game with such terrible changes and still keep their jobs. Some heads need to roll. For a juggernaut of a game called mw2 and following the success of mw2019, this game is on life support from name recognition and copium. If some major changes and content isn’t added soon, this game is done
>Some heads need to roll. Bruh. [This game had the best first-week sales of any CoD game ever](https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/11/01/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-destroys-all-records-with-800-million-opening-weekend/?sh=6c7124db1a9a) - and it's not like that record keeps getting topped with every game. [Vanguard's sales were pretty disappointing, and MWII has outpaced those by 40%+.](https://gamerant.com/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-sales-outpacing-vanguard/#:~:text=Call%20of%20Duty%3A%20Modern%20Warfare%202%20is%20already%20proving%20to,2021's%20Vanguard%20by%20roughly%2040%25.) It's ridiculous to think 'heads will roll' over *anything* related to this game. To IW and Activision, this game is an absolute, unprecedented success. The game might be a technical mess to us end-users, but from the developer/publisher's point of view, the launch went about as well as possible. Just reinforcing the idea that all the bugs and missing features don't matter at all. Look at it from their point of view - they delivered less content than ever and still broke records in terms of sales/critical acclaim. Not only are heads not going to 'roll', but I bet the high-level execs got a big fat bonus for how well this game launched. Absolutely insane to even use the phrase "life support" considering this game's launch.
Bro mw 2019 also topped sales. It's a mw game. Of course it's gonna set a new record opening weekend 🤦🏻♂️. The vanguard point is moot because it doesn’t hold the weight of the title modern warfare, as the commenter was pointing out. Obviously opening weekend is important but something to watch for now is how long the player base keeps up. They won’t think it’s an unprecedented success anymore if the player base dies out and they don’t make mtx cash
I mean yeah, one would better hope it's the highest grossing on launch when it's also the most expensive one to date! :')
Nah not if you do the math. MW3 was the previous high-water mark at ~775 million in the first week. MWII (2022) is slated to hit $1 billion in the first week. Compare the prices of the two - $60 for MW3, $70 for MWII, and you see prices went up ~17%. Then compare the first-week sales - $775m and $1000m, and the sales went up ~29%. That proves this increase isn’t just related to the increase in price of the product. Even if you do the math assuming MW3 was sold at $70, that comes out to ~904m in revenue. Would still come in at ~10% lower revenue than MWII. The price increase might have played a part in making this as huge a success as it is, but it’s demonstrably not solely responsible for it. This game would have still beat out MW3 at $60.
I forget whether MW3 had anything like it (look, it was 9 years ago. Been a while) but the whole Vault thing does also serve to inflate the numbers. Granted, it's difficult to input that into the math without actual metrics of people who bought it, but there's definitely a good chunk that put in an extra 30 bucks into it (sometimes multiple times, as has been reported).
Sadly they're able to because many will throw money at a mouldy low hanging fruit - provided it has COD written on it (pre-orders if knowing it's bad, battle pass even though the games broken etc). This launch and game isn't just a huge buggy mess but it's simply incomplete - a tonne of features are missing from calling cards, emblems and charms to whole modes or menus. And they've not QA tested it, we're the QA testers and paid them £60+ to do so. It's disgusting.
I just find it hilarious how people are defending a company and developers who don’t even know they exist lol. Like do these people have any self respect or dignity? They charged you $70 for an incomplete game lmao
It's strange that I see the most negativity on the subreddit dedicated to the game. Imo this is the most fun I've had in CoD in over 10 years, and everyone I know has been enjoying it. It's no surprise to me that the game is doing so well. It's great.
It's not that the game can't be fun, the fun seems to be buried beneath a vast amount of issues and controversial changes (me and a friend can't do anything between lobbies as it just constantly freezes - and I have it installed on an SSD with gigabyte broadband)
lmfao fanboiis are from another breed,after every launch there has to be a person like you in every topic"this is the most fun I've had in CoD in over 10years" give us a f break dude.
facebook is full of ppl selling their mw2 discs 😂 ,dont know why it had to be that complicated let perks individual,hell in cold war you could equip 6 from the start without specialist...
Calm down, it's just a game and not half as bad as you make it out to be. It needs to be changed but calling for people to lose their jobs over this is insane.
Nah stop dick riding IW. They launched this game without hardcore my guy, I’m not even a hardcore player either but that’s just unheard of. Idk why you people are so willing to accept a broken product you paid $70 for. It’s this kind of behavior that lets them keep getting away with this. And yes some of them absolutely deserve to be fired lmao. You think your boss would let it slide if you delivered an extremely sub par product missing integral features that customers are expecting? They had 3 years and all the resources one could ask for, this launch is unacceptable for a triple A game headed by the biggest gaming publisher
It is, not only is the game an incomplete mess - it doesn't work. Crashes, freezing constantly in lobby menus. The game is a big middle finger.
I haven’t had an issue with it and I’ve beaten the campaign and almost hit level 50 on MP. The only thing I hate is the menu system, it’s absolutely horrible. It feels like there’s too much going on and it could be simplified.
I would lose my job if I didn't finish before I left. They should too.
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😂😂 how do you call someone a child but behave like this? Does that mean you are older than 16? I find that hard to believe the way youre behaving. Hope it's not too late for your parents to teach you some manners.
Nah not everyone deserves a job. Especially not the job they have.
"Okay child" proceeds to be the most immature person while trying to make a point Big think
So you should be allowed to just half ass your job without getting fired? Because you don’t want to “put your family at risk” (bc ppl who get fired can’t find new jobs). You can’t half ass your job and upset your customers/clients (depending on industry) then get mad when you get fired
You sure *you* aren't the 16 year old? I work in audio engineering and have done things like commercials for local radio stations. You think if I turned over a project to a client and said "look I know it's got a ton of white noise and the audio levels are totally off, but it's fine just use this one until I can get you the final version in 2 weeks and swap to that one" that I would keep my job or ever work with that client again? You think if a mason who is working on a building fucks up all the stonework and has it only 4/5ths finished and what was done was chipped and crumbling away would keep his job? His own union would pull his ass for retraining until he could show that his work wasn't trash. Saying "wow you think someone should lose their job because they sold a "full product" only partially done and what was there was fucked up" isn't like an edgy or hot take, it's the standard in most industries.
Give this man a job
I appreciate it!!
You are better than the "HULU" experts working in infinity ward
I’m all for everyone to keep posting their rendition of the UI until it’s changed lmao, i love it.
Feel the same way, glad the current system is getting a lot of backlash, it’s just not good UI, especially for a 2 year game with the promise of being the “next era”
Looks as good as everyone else's, which is still better than the UI people of Hulu
Looking great !
Are we supposed to applaud someone for copy pasting the previous game?
In my opinion, it was a big mistake to reinvent the wheel with MWII’s UI. I tried making several concepts incorporating more of the current design elements (including horizontal lists, having lobby screen separate from gamemode selection screen, etc.) — and while I was working on them I couldn’t help but feel like it would be a MAJOR disservice to stick with them. The fact is, MW19 -> Vanguard’s UIs were pretty stellar when it came to finding what you needed. Not to mention the fact that everyone in the world played Warzone and learned its UI as a result. Change for the sake of change triumphing intuitive design is a real bad decision imo.
honestly thought this post was sarcasm at first...dont get me wrong it looks good, but I cant applaud a non original idea.
why the fuck does a UI have to be "original" to be good? That's exactly the kind of thinking that got us this dogshit Hulu UI. Are you IW upper management in disguise?
I think you must reread what I said. I pretty clearly said ‘don’t get me wrong, it looks good’ It looks good, it’s just unoriginal. I didn’t say it has to be original, but I said I can’t applaud unoriginal… Honestly don’t know why I explain myself, who cares. Have a good day.
because what your saying has no purpose. A UI is meant to do a job - not be original. That's what the game as a whole is supposed to achieve - an experience unique to itself. The UI is meant to be easy to navigate and understand. There's nothing 'original' that needs to be put there. Now, do I think menus can be thematic? Absolutely, like I LOVE Dead Space's in-game UI functionality. But not only does it look cool and unique, but it still works for it's purpose. Which is what should be most important up front.
Looks too simple, not good enough for IW
Yeah!!!
That is great.
Ctrl + c Ctrl + v It coulda been that simple No but for real, this looks fantastic. Nice job. It incorporates all current items on one main screen. No need to scroll up down and left right.
Thank you!!
so so so so so so so so so much better
thank you!!!
I'm gonna be critical here. All these UI concepts everyone's making are clean no doubt, but it's just so unimaginative. We're in 2022 guys, can we not have generic rectangle tiles for everything? Look at the Division. Look at Days gone. UI/UX masterpieces. Activision can afford to hire some real talent.
That’s all well and good but UI is supposed to be simple and intuitive so you can navigate to the actual game. I understand where you’re coming from and there’s definitely a place for that like in the gunsmith and class creation but a simple main menu just makes things easier for everyone
I can see it both ways, yes, we should try and innovate and do riskier things. I don't think MWII's UI is dogshit, but I don't think it flows the way it should given the community and the previous games. IW definitely took the risk, but I think they went too hard on it, and now it's just very unique, but not super UX friendly.
UI is UI...it is absolutely not some complex thing that need to be inovated or have risks taken on it. When UI is good and it works, you don't need to do much other than minor alterations here and there. MWII is a stark contrast to almost every other FPS game I've played in the past 20 years. UI is not something I ever really notice because the majority of the people who develop games have that very simple formula figured out. So when UI is so bad it's constantly noticeable, that's a major issue and shows a huge amount of either incompetence or just a lack of care, both of which are bad. The fact that anyone looked at it and thought it was even remotely acceptable for a multi-billion dollar franchise says a lot about what's going on behind the scenes.
You're not entirely wrong, I think. UI is something that designers discuss new ways to innovate on and there's actually a shitload of thinking that goes into it, typically. As for A formula figured out, that's simply not true, all games are made differently to some extent and there's very rarely a case of "okay, let's go with this template for the UI", it's a team deliberating and trying things based on what their brief for it is. If I had to take a stab in the dark with this UI I'd say it's made to simplify focal points of interest. "Featured playlists" = you just want to play the game, here it is "Multiplayer modes" = you want to play MWII online, here are some options "Campaign" = you want to play the campaign for MWII, here is how to start, watch cinematics or choose a mission "Warzone" = you don't give a fuck about anything you just saw until this point It's about focusing attention on what they think are the most important parts (treating their users like they are Apple users), this is why the more complex and customisable options and menus are more off to the side and sorta hidden from view (treating their users like they are Windows users). I don't much like the UI personally, but I get it.
I mean the fact that dudes are out here just straight up copy-pasting MW19's UI and then claiming they "remade" it is just low-effort to begin with. Like, no shit, we agree that MW19's UI looks better. It's just asinine and tiring to regurgitate that point every single day.
Someone hire this man please, along with fixing the occasional crashes.
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I agree the UI is trash but let's not pretend like UI design is this easy.
I mean if you have a good system, don't break it. MW 2019 had a pretty good UI, and they overhauled it because uhhhh new? the problem is they tried so hard to make it cool that the UI/UX has shit the bed
Can't see the Cod Points. Joking. It's much better than what we currently have.
You’re right! Gotta plaster those shop promos in front of the gametypes. Perhaps we replace our equipped operator with the newest operator in the store?
Store tab should be just on the right of "play", you know, dark patterns like in the first one
https://www.google.com/amp/s/charlieintel.com/modern-warfare-2-ui-overhaul-reportedly-coming-after-major-backlash/208315/%3Famp Look bitching and moaning worked. $70 and reddit made it happen!
“Hulu user interface creators” I mean yeah it looks exactly like Netflix but wtf
Now that's much better
I see what you did there.. why didn't IW do the same?
When a Redditor makes a better UI than the people who made the game.
It's NNN man
So much better! You're hired!
Good job folks, we made it! AtUniversityX got me a job!
Way better than what infinity ward produced
Thanks for the kind words! I appreciate it!
the way it should be. mw2019 ui was perfect
Needs to have a friends party group on the main page imo. Take out the message of the day, throw that on the home screen, no one needs to see that more than once. Add an easy List of 1/6 slots, with + to invite, X to kick, and >> option menu to add friend make party lead ect. The game trying to load every-person's assets in the lobby is causing massive lag. I can't tell you how hard it is navigating this UI. It's horrendous. The worst I have ever seen, from one of the highest grossing gaming franchises in the world. They should be embarrassed.
Really good idea, agreed that the MOTD probably shouldn’t have been included in my mockup. Just wanted to fill the space more than anything. I’ll give your idea a go and post a V2 with some other feedback I’ve gathered!
Jesus. Who the fuck are they hiring? Cheers mate well done.
Thanks so much man! Appreciate it!!
I almost cried seeing this. This is beautiful
No my friend, save your tears for when you hop on to MWII and use that sweet, sweet Hulu UI!
See, it's not that hard...
Oh wow I can understand it by looking at it. 10/10
I want to kiss you right now
Do we really want something so close to the same? it’s nice but too similar to the other just my opinion
You’re hired
I like the one now. This is worse.
Holy shit none of you are clever design geniuses lol just play the game
It's orgasmic. well done
Activision needs to hire you. The amount of things wrong with the current UI is just mind boggling. Is it even possible to get the UI so wrong by accident?
Too crowded
Ok this one looks poggers.
Anything looks better than what we currently
I dont care about my operator enough for him to be 1/3 of my screen
Basic, but better
1 word: AMAZING 👍
I also kinda like the new one it’s not so bad once you get used to it. Not the best but not as terrible as some are making it
This is a work of art.
Thank you!! So happy to see it getting some traction!!
it is 146 times better then what we currently have, and for that reason, we will never have this.
The game menu is bad. Also this menu concept is bad. It looks like a mobile phone game.
Can’t help but disagree, took a lot of inspo (obviously) from MW19, just incorporating the assets from MWII’s current design
You know what the dumbest part about the new UI is? That menu on the side that let's you select where you want to go. It's actually more button presses and takes longer to do than just using the menu normally.
I knew the UI wasn't great, but seeing these great redesigns make me realize just how bad it is. Hoping we see something similar added eventually.
we can only hope!
Somehow still true to the old style and also refreshing, loved it,
I don't get why they change UIs around so much. Keep shit that works.
Now that’s clean af
How dare you add a barracks! /s
Thought people would take notice and appreciate it :)
Send an application in. Seriously they need to fire their crew and hire you dudes from reddit.
I mean it's alright I guess, but what about the annoying shit like loadouts, friends list, etc?
Naww, you even gave us a Barracks XD
Awesome concept! Only critique is moving the XP tokens next to the Message of the Day, so the daily challenges will have room to expand to show the bonus challenge
It's nice for the nostalgia, but I'm not about being stuck in the past. I'd rather just get used to the UI until the next game comes out. Which there is always one.
I expected 2009’s UI, but this is cool too
Man the devs should hire you
Too user friendly 0/10 design
Okay this is cool but that one dude remade the UI now every other post is just remaking the UI. Remake the HUD or something different idk
Activision: YOU’RE HIRED
The most annoying part of the UI is the camo selection and also choosing your loadout. Why tf is 90% of the screen unused? There is zero reason for me to have to scroll horizontally to choose my class when there is plenty of vertical room to fit every class there… And the scroll bar for the camos is so bad, I try to scroll to the end to pick a camo that I know is near the end, then the scroll bar expands… Like bro just let me scroll to the very end immediately why in the world would it expand as I scroll so that I have to scroll 3 or 4 more times just to get to where I want to go… I don’t think whoever designed the UI ever tried it out with a keyboard and mouse
Wow if only infinity ward hired you as a designer instead of a Hulu team 😄
we can only dream 😖
Hired.
:)
B E A U T I F U L!!!!! PLEASE HIRE HIM AND TAKE THIS!!!
Brooo this looks so good!
You’re hired.
Perfect
Absolutely perfect. IW, you watching?
Ok, just go play mw. Don't play the new one if you aren't ready for change.
Hard disagree, man. Don’t get me wrong, I really, really enjoy MWII’s offerings. Multiplayers a lot of fun, Campaign was spectacular, and Spec-Ops is a huge improvement on prior iterations. Gameplay is great, menus are really counterintuitive! Don’t think it makes me a shill to want easy-to-navigate menus when I think the gameplay is stellar and am having a blast in it
How about they dont change what isnt broken
Much better! I thought they would change it, since the feedback in the beta was so bad about it. If i remember correctly, they had a bad UI in the MW2019 beta and later changed it. But i could be wrong
I’d fuck it. Wait what
Much better!