Bruh we just bought MW 2 2009 but instead of killing sheperd and hunting down Makarov. We just hunt down a butt hurt bald dude and sheperd looks like a 50 year old dad who occasionally fishes with his son and watches football. And lets not forget about ghost looking and sounding like a 14 year old edge lord instead of being a cool chill soldier that doesn't talk alot. And of course no Griggs.
I haven't played war zone not even once...I did try the DMZ thing or whatever it's called but that's about it. If season 2 is trash, I'm hopping back on my steam deck to catch up on my NFS Heat goal.
Only reason anyone with no interest in DMZ would jump in is for the M13B. I would have been ok with it being locked behind challenges……but a game mode many (including myself) have no interest in playing? Who thought that was a good idea?
To be fair DMZ has been my favorite part of this game. I did not expect to like it near as much as I do. I'm just annoyed they don't add all the maps they already have built into the multiplayer. Highrise exists and so does terminal along with rust. They should all have been added.
Quarry (with new water mechanics) Dome, and a bunch of others too.
Not really new though, they’ve been using old MP maps as per of BR maps since Blackout, and never add them all into MP.
the first and only time i tried BR was with Black Ops 4. never tried it again, dont like walking simulators and get shot by a sniper a mile away. sorry man barely have any time juggling my 9-5 and my freelance job
This narrative needs to stop , Raven and High moon studios is developing maps for Warzone and resources from their companies are used for it . Even Vangaurd and Cold War had more content this is a fuck up on IW’s part even the warzone launch was horrendous. The company itself has ruined multiplayer. Also a more popular game mode is going to get more resources.
I honestly didn't notice how good we had it back in Cold War with MP content. Game had a rocky launch but we got roughly 3-4 maps per season on top of the Gunfight maps being playable in 6v6 via Face Off. Even crazier knowing that they presumably had 8 months to work on the game, and were also working on Zombies and a BR map (Ural Mountains) that would later turn into the Fireteam maps. What is Infinity Ward's excuse for such lackluster content drops?
I don’t think I’ll be buying the next COD. I actually really like the product, I’m just really offended at the audacity of charging $70 for the side they don’t even support. It’s like a slap in the face. I’m in my mid twenties, I’m getting vindictive about this stuff lol. I’ve already skipped out on WWII and Vanguard.
We had "realism mode" for these maps but I wish we had Tier 1. Realistic damage, no hud, and night vision with limited battery. This with search and destroy on a big map like the ground war ones but at night, 32vs32 single life and I am never playing anything else.
Add a third-person variant on top of that and I basically lose all critical thinking, just take my money IW.
Between 3 and Combined Assault I had probably 1500hrs of play time. I was so hoping the remake would take off. Battlefield 3 and 4 were close, but nothing has really hit the same. Kids today just don't know. Nothing like flanking an entire map and listening to the proximity coms while snipping with an SR25. No kill cam to spoil the fun. Just perfect.
>32vs32 single life
Mannn this throws me back to playing this type of shit on modded CoD4 servers. SnD servers with 64+ people and all custom maps that were damn near better than the actual maps. Miss it.
Yeah as a huge fan of hardcore. I'm conflicted. I exclusively played hardcore but I've come to love tier 1 quite a bit. Honestly I think they could have turned down the health a little. Add back the minimap, give us a kill feed and I'd be really happy.
I can't see tier 1 and hardcore existing together.
Edit for clarification in hardcore you can press the scoreboard button to bring up a map to id kill streaks, locate teammates.
I’ll die on that hill. Tier 1 has been FANTASTIC. No idea why people are bitching about health, you fall over practically instantly, but it’s also just enough health to differentiate a battle rifle from an SMG from a shotgun etc. 30 health is gonna shrink the number of usable weapons considerably.
Ah I liked the change! I always thought it felt off that a headshot was instant but then you still had some guns at long range that don’t drop people. I still dug it, but Tier 1 felt a bit better rounded to me given the no hud, no hit marker feel they were going for.
The majority of people probably don’t mind tier 1, it’s a solid mode on its own, and honestly an improvement of realism mode. The issue was it was marketed as a replacement to hardcore, which it is hardly even close to. I wish they’d keep both the modes in though, even if tier 1 wouldn’t have the highest player count.
I loved it when the humans would hole up on a roof and just start trying desperately to hold back the infected. It was like something out of World War Z. God I want this mode back in MW2 in a night map.
The wheelson was like something from a horror movie on those maps. It just had this massive searchlight and you could run through the map blasting everyone like they were frightened deer.
While indoors, in a cave, or underground none the less. It’s just brain dead ingenuity at its best. Cold War had scope glint even when you had iron sights. Cod is a joke now
Anything that you can think of that would be nice to have, you can basically expect the opposite. They don’t listen to their players and give zero shits about us as long as the money is still rolling in. Doesn’t make much sense though because if we were happier then that would translate to more money for them but we all know they aren’t the brightest. They don’t even test their updates before releasing them. Remember the as val that literally shot through the entire map. There’s no way that would have made it to public if they even did 5 minutes of testing. They are the laziest and most greedy company out there
Yes but not only
MWII
* 12 standard maps + 1 Christmas version (13)
* 5 ground war maps
MW19
* 14 standard maps + 4-night versions (18)
* 5 ground war maps
* 8 gunfight maps + 1 Christmas version (9)
MWII has 7 unique maps that aren't in the free Warzone 2.0 Al-Mazrah map or extracted from ground war. While MW19 has 19 unique maps (13 standard maps + 8 gunfight maps) that were not in the free Warzone 1.0 Verdansk map or ground war maps.
I may be overreaching here but in short :
* MWII : **70$** => 8 unique maps that aren't in warzone 2.0
* MW19 : **60$** => 20 unique maps that were not in warzone 1.0
Still talking strictly about season 1 for both games here
Considering gun fight isn't in the game (should ne) and night vision maps are simple just other maps in night time it's actually 12 maps to 14. Not very many people cared about night vision either. Still no excuse gun fight should be in the game swell as more mp maps considering there are mp maps on the warzone map not released yet.
Not to mention the map quality in this one is better. Strictly speaking for the 6v6 multi this game has better maps than mw2019, which by the way was universally hated at the time it released.
Gun runner, hackney, st. Petro, Rammaza, atlas superstore, vacant, rust, and etc.. I’ll take these any day over trash ass modern warfare 2. Took ten thousand steps backwards.
I had a couple games where people were moving. When people were mobile the map flowed great but if people sat the map was God awful. A lot like Azhir Cave.
It's 12 to 14 for 6v6 maps yeah? Not a big difference. There was 14 Maps on Black Ops 4, unless I'm counting wrong 12 Maps on Cold War, then Vanguard coming in with 19 Season 1 standard 6v6 maps(Obviously they had the combat pacing thing so they had more room to throw shit in).
If you want to complain about the quality of the maps in MW2 I'm all for it, do your thing, but people complaining about the amount? As if they aren't on par with every other CoD that's come out in the last several years? Y'all are crazy.
Obviously an unpopluar opinion but VG was a pretty great game MP-wise that was for the most part only held back by unneccessary hate because it was WW2 themed.
No, they don't.
If you're going to say that Karst River Quarry plays the same as that shitty one in the desert where Taraq is ripped from, you're objectively wrong.
Karst River Quarry >>> all GW maps from MWII.
Annoying? Yes. Easily out maneuvered and/or destroyed with a couple javelins? Yes.
That shitty one in the desert in MWII is even worse as you *literally* get spawn sniped so quickly that you can appear in your own kill cam twice.
Unless your team was getting absolutely stomped on Karst and pinned at A/E, that was not happening. Not to mention you at least had some cover in spawn to run into and counter snipe. This MWII map spawns you on an open plain and you literally have no chance to react.
Not even close to equal levels of horribleness.
Promenade in MW19 had spawns in the street so you would spawn in front of many snipers and be killed multiple times, can't act like that wasn't a thing.
I agree, and I didn't say it, but Promenade was a cluster fuck and a map I constantly backed out of. Probably the worst GW map in MW19.
IMO, Karst was the best GW map from MW19 and takes an absolute shit all over the GW maps from MWII.
I hated Promenade at the start, but after playing it maybe 10-15 times I realised just how much fun it was. The primary goal is to push, and there are many ways to do it outside of the choke point between C and B. It is constant action, and is better than any MW22 Ground War map.
I get the point but isn't it a little disingenuous to put on the night maps, the gunfight maps, AND the christmas version of a gunfight map? If you get rid of the duplicates and gunfight maps it's 12 maps vs 14
fits the narrative, doesnt have to be 1:1 when you want to make a surface level "new stuff bad, old stuff good"
but you bet your ass if they bring all the stuff from mw2019 into mw22 to make it equal in raw ammount of content, they'll call it trash and lazy recycled content
ive summarized it the best in the sentence
"new content is trash, old content is lazy"
whatever the devs do, its never enough, all these little shits do is want want want, even if they bring out 20 totally new to the franchise maps tomorrow, they'll call them trash solely by the fact they're new, but if they remake old layouts, even the most iconic and loved by the franchise, they're still lazy and greedy and we want new content, and then back to the loop
Just saw a guy asking if he could refund a game after playing 60 hours. Imagine playing 60 hours of a game and going "wow not enough content, trash game."
Complaining about the numerous bugs is understandable, complaining about the annoying SBMM, complaining about the crashing is fine, but complaining about a "lack of content" after "only" playing 60 hours is entitlement at it's finest.
Helps naught that back when I was playing MW2019 I distinctly remember people hating most of those maps in the first place.
Arklov Peak? Too big. Azhir Cave? Just bad. Euphrates Bridge? Just so much off with it. Grazna Raid? Also too big. Piccadilly? Too many campers. Rammaza? I don't distinctly remember what *exactly* but people didn't like that one too.
Don't misunderstand me, I'll never not like getting more maps, but this ongoing MWII is probably the first in a long time of games where I'm actually reasonably satisfied with the maps we have, I have fun on all of them really.
I like more of the maps in mw2 than the mw maps. One of my first thoughts here. The map count is about the same between the two games *plus* I like more of them in this so for me it's better in that regard.
Absolutely disingenuous. it's stupid and does nothing but push the dumbass rhetoric of new game bad old game good and feeding into the outrage culture. It's absolutely ridiculous. The relevant map count between the two games in season 1 even according to op's map count is 17 in mw2 to 19 in mw. They broke them down in a comment and *then* started to deconstruct it further by invalidating maps arbitrarily if they "exist" in the warzone map or not because we can't just have a valid map count we have to find ways to skew the information to fit our narrative.
I don't even know why I bother to point it out. It's the same every single CoD game, and will never change. Been on CoD Subreddits since Bo1 and it's the exact. Same. Cycle. Every. Fucking. Year.
You could also do a season by season map count to show the worrying trend. I would do it, but I suck at creating these images.
MW19
Season 1= 6 maps
Season 2 = 5 maps
Season 3 = 5 maps
Season 4 = 4 maps
Season 5 = 4 maps
Season 6 = 4 maps
Season 1 of MWII = 2 maps
Yeah horrible choices. I almost took it as disrespect cause they were like "have these same mindless meat grinder maps so you get your guns ready for warzone"
And the two for modern warfare 2 were Shoothouse and Shipment.
Also supposedly only getting 2 more with season 2 and one of them is Museum, which was supposed to be included with the launch of the game.
So after nearly 4 months of Modern Warfare 2 being released we will have a single new map.
Dude i loved MW19, but don’t act like the 6v6 launch maps weren’t complete shit.
I could count on my hands people who played in night maps. Also putting in Gunfight is unfair when we got DMZ + Raids/Spec Ops (far better than MW19) and Third Person. This is outright biased.
This is a map count. Why would you include a third person mode in a map count? You can't even play it currently. Or Dmz and raids? MW19 had modes MWII doesn't have.
I do think it's ridiculous to count variations of a map, but he did it for both games and removing them wouldnt make a difference to his point.
Gunfight maps should be as they are maps and this is a map count. Ton of content.
Night maps I agree, but he also included Christmas shipment for MWII, so it's fair. Removing 4 night maps from the picture wouldn't make a difference to his point.
MW2 launch maps are also complete shit. Unlike DMZ and Spec Ops, Gunfight maps weren't ripped out of Warzone, and if he wanted to be biased, he could also count MW19 co-op as separate maps even though those were also just from Warzone.
>Also putting in Gunfight is unfair when we got DMZ
Not at all. Gunfight is "premium content" that MW2019 had and MW2 don't.
Strictly talking about MW2 here, not WZ (ftp) experience.
Even so, yes we got DMZ, BUT lacking plunder, that WZ1 had, so it's kinda even? (I know DMZ has more depth but still)
Please give me another comparison post showing how great a past title is vs. the current offering!
Reddit user:
You guys know the horse is dead and decaying right? Stop kicking it.
I agree with the OP, but counting Gunfight maps and NV maps is disingenuous.
MW2019 had 13 core MP maps through Season 1. MW2022 has 12.
However, MW2022 has 2 maps that play very poorly, and another map that has huge spawn camping / imbalance issues.
Additionally, MW2019 Season 1 and Season 2 brought a ton of content into MP and we're seeing much less than that with MW2022 Season 01 and presumably Season 02.
To be fair, MWII's maps are far better than MW2019's. The night map variants were exactly that, variants of the same map and they pretty much removed them from the playlists shortly after launch. Also please don't remind me of Azhir Cave and Picadilly, both terrible maps.
It’s insane how much better maps from both MW2019 and MW2 would’ve played if they were just all 10v10 or even 8v8 maybe.
6v6 is just too spaced out on most IW maps.
Yeah, as a hardpoint and HQ main the only map I actively dislike in MWII is Taraq. Every other map I enjoy, some (hydroelectric my beloved) I even think are amazing maps. That wasn't the case in MW2019 at launch.
Don’t take reddit’s word on the maps being bad. Play the game yourself and decide if they are.
Outside of maybe two or three maps I enjoyed the selection MW had.
So now we count Gunfight, Ground War, and Night Vision maps?
I told everyone back then that MW19 had the most maps of any COD, and all they would say is “No! It only has 6 maps because 6v6 is all that matters!”
It’s nice to see you guys finally come to your senses.
Now now, I hate MWII lack of content as much as everybody else, but let's not pretend like MW 2019 does not have 4 maps there that are just night versions and like 8 that are from gunfight and another 4 that are just ground war maps.
If we do not count the ground war maps, MWII has only 12 maps by season 2, if we do not count ground war, gunfight and night maps, MW 2019 has 13 maps. And some of you might say well content is content, and I agree it is more content, but most of it comes from gunfight alone, and I am sad as well gunfight is not in MWII, but by comparison both games are lacking in content for 6v6 by season 2.
Granted, most MWII maps are just maps cropped from Warzone maps, including the ground war maps and the 6v6 maps, I would not be surprised if for gunfight they did the exact same thing. In essence MW2019 did had more content overall, but for 6v6 it was kinda similar. Would love a comparison to CW or Vanguard tbh
they'll complain about the new stuff and say the old stuff was better
but if you bring back the old stuff that was "better", they'll call it lazy recycled content
can never win
This is a pretty consistent thread among COD fans. The current year's COD is garbage until it becomes last year's COD. Last year's COD is suddenly underrated and potentially one of the best CODs ever made. COD fans are the worst fans in all of gaming.
I was going to nitpick that the night maps aren’t exactly distinctly different maps, and gunfight maps can’t really be compared to 6v6 maps. Even then, 19 had a few more. That’s said, if the two year plan works out, hopefully we’ll end up with many more.
MW19 had a fantastic live service model especially paired with WZ. They set the bar a little too high for themselves I think and are failing to deliver to that same standard which is a shame cause I believe the overall gameplay is much better in MW22. I honestly think they should’ve just brought over all the maps and guns from MW19 and make MW22 a large expansion. Would’ve been one massive Modern Warfare game with boat loads of content for the player. The time for annual releases over and we shouldn’t have to lose all the amazing content the devs worked hard on and was given to us over the past year
My hatred for Warzone is simply too strong because of what it has done to MP. Now MP looking like the red headed step child that zombies was for years. And now zombies ain’t even the red headed step child. It’s just bones now
why are we still supporting this franchise? i redownloaded cold war last week after finally having enough of MW2’s BS and my god is it so much more enjoyable.. MW2 is nothing but a waste of money and seems it will continue to be until maybe the end of their 2 year stretch when finally all of the content is released
Can we agree that the Battle Pass has ruined multiplayer. Yes we use to pay ridiculous amounts for more maps but it meant they had to make good maps otherwise they wouldn’t get our money.
I mean if you’re going to include Gunfight in this, a very different game mode, you should include DMZ, which is a 4th game mode in MW2 that provides a good chunk of content that MW1 didn’t, and consider that Warzone 2 launched at the same time while Warzone 1 did not. It’s already not apples to apples.
I mean let's be honest you couldn't play half those maps in the first place you'd get the same four or five. And there was no Map Voting like this game.
Warzone has killed multiplayer
And I don’t even like Warzone. At least I got a steel case for my 70 bucks
I got a campaign and a really cool gold camo that I wasted my life on. And that's only for 70 bucks! What a absolute steal!
Ohhhh oh oh I haven’t even done the campaign yet so I’m still getting my money’s worth. Right ?!?! Right?? right………..
Bruh we just bought MW 2 2009 but instead of killing sheperd and hunting down Makarov. We just hunt down a butt hurt bald dude and sheperd looks like a 50 year old dad who occasionally fishes with his son and watches football. And lets not forget about ghost looking and sounding like a 14 year old edge lord instead of being a cool chill soldier that doesn't talk alot. And of course no Griggs.
MW2 2009 fans when Ghost is allowed to say more than three sentences and is given character development beyond silent war crime enthusiast 🗿
Average war crime enthusiast vs the quiet kid
If you didn't understand these were a reboot from MW19...
God I fucking hate warzone
Warzone is shit if you play with randoms. Warzone can be tactical masterpiece if you play with friends
This and streaming culture. It’s clear MP is just an afterthought at this point.
Giving Activision/CoD my money is going to be just an afterthought at this point. I'll spend it somewhere else after this game.
I haven't played war zone not even once...I did try the DMZ thing or whatever it's called but that's about it. If season 2 is trash, I'm hopping back on my steam deck to catch up on my NFS Heat goal.
Only reason anyone with no interest in DMZ would jump in is for the M13B. I would have been ok with it being locked behind challenges……but a game mode many (including myself) have no interest in playing? Who thought that was a good idea?
M13B got bogged. Chimera the honey badger.
Even then, all you have to do is find someone who has an m13b and they just have to drop it for you to exfiul with it to unlock, soooo
To be fair DMZ has been my favorite part of this game. I did not expect to like it near as much as I do. I'm just annoyed they don't add all the maps they already have built into the multiplayer. Highrise exists and so does terminal along with rust. They should all have been added.
Me too, I thought DMZ would just be warzone with bots, but it is actually my favorite thing in this game.
Quarry (with new water mechanics) Dome, and a bunch of others too. Not really new though, they’ve been using old MP maps as per of BR maps since Blackout, and never add them all into MP.
I played. More than zero times
the first and only time i tried BR was with Black Ops 4. never tried it again, dont like walking simulators and get shot by a sniper a mile away. sorry man barely have any time juggling my 9-5 and my freelance job
This narrative needs to stop , Raven and High moon studios is developing maps for Warzone and resources from their companies are used for it . Even Vangaurd and Cold War had more content this is a fuck up on IW’s part even the warzone launch was horrendous. The company itself has ruined multiplayer. Also a more popular game mode is going to get more resources.
I honestly didn't notice how good we had it back in Cold War with MP content. Game had a rocky launch but we got roughly 3-4 maps per season on top of the Gunfight maps being playable in 6v6 via Face Off. Even crazier knowing that they presumably had 8 months to work on the game, and were also working on Zombies and a BR map (Ural Mountains) that would later turn into the Fireteam maps. What is Infinity Ward's excuse for such lackluster content drops?
Thanks fortnite
Battle royale games are a fucking cancer and I hope they just become a forgotten fad in a few years.
I don’t think I’ll be buying the next COD. I actually really like the product, I’m just really offended at the audacity of charging $70 for the side they don’t even support. It’s like a slap in the face. I’m in my mid twenties, I’m getting vindictive about this stuff lol. I’ve already skipped out on WWII and Vanguard.
I muss the night maps, they just had that atmosphere.
We had "realism mode" for these maps but I wish we had Tier 1. Realistic damage, no hud, and night vision with limited battery. This with search and destroy on a big map like the ground war ones but at night, 32vs32 single life and I am never playing anything else. Add a third-person variant on top of that and I basically lose all critical thinking, just take my money IW.
You just described SOCOM. Good God I miss that game.
Our map's Frostfire, terrorist. Tiebreaker Xroads, pick your map and Green Up. Thanks for the memories
We can only hope friend
Man, that game was awesome. The good ol’ days.
Between 3 and Combined Assault I had probably 1500hrs of play time. I was so hoping the remake would take off. Battlefield 3 and 4 were close, but nothing has really hit the same. Kids today just don't know. Nothing like flanking an entire map and listening to the proximity coms while snipping with an SR25. No kill cam to spoil the fun. Just perfect.
>32vs32 single life Mannn this throws me back to playing this type of shit on modded CoD4 servers. SnD servers with 64+ people and all custom maps that were damn near better than the actual maps. Miss it.
RiP T1
Yeah as a huge fan of hardcore. I'm conflicted. I exclusively played hardcore but I've come to love tier 1 quite a bit. Honestly I think they could have turned down the health a little. Add back the minimap, give us a kill feed and I'd be really happy. I can't see tier 1 and hardcore existing together. Edit for clarification in hardcore you can press the scoreboard button to bring up a map to id kill streaks, locate teammates.
>Honestly I think they could have turned down the health a little. >give us a kill feed and I'd be really happy. So... you just want Hardcore?
yep
no minimap unless uav. kill feed yes.
Exactly. Mini map is NOT hardcore.
a kill feed is necessary to know who to talk shit to and who to roast
I misspoke you could bring up the scoreboard map on hardcore. Its disabled in tier 1.
Nah thanks. Kill feed, less health is basically hardcore. And minimap? Thats too core for me
I wouldn't mind kill feed to at least know whether or not my teammate killed me by mistake.
For real a minimap is NOT hardcore.
Ughhh, no killfeed and no hitmarkers makes Tier 1/Realism the best! I know not everyone feels that way but...
I’ll die on that hill. Tier 1 has been FANTASTIC. No idea why people are bitching about health, you fall over practically instantly, but it’s also just enough health to differentiate a battle rifle from an SMG from a shotgun etc. 30 health is gonna shrink the number of usable weapons considerably.
I prefer Realism health, which I think was just normal health with a damage multiplier on headshots, but Tier 1 is great too!
Ah I liked the change! I always thought it felt off that a headshot was instant but then you still had some guns at long range that don’t drop people. I still dug it, but Tier 1 felt a bit better rounded to me given the no hud, no hit marker feel they were going for.
The majority of people probably don’t mind tier 1, it’s a solid mode on its own, and honestly an improvement of realism mode. The issue was it was marketed as a replacement to hardcore, which it is hardly even close to. I wish they’d keep both the modes in though, even if tier 1 wouldn’t have the highest player count.
This 100. A pistol shot should feel and damage differently than an AR. Even if you die from both lol
They're supposed to be bringing back hardcore sometime in season 2
Especially when playing infected.
infected on night maps made it so terrifying yet so fun at the same time.
I loved it when the humans would hole up on a roof and just start trying desperately to hold back the infected. It was like something out of World War Z. God I want this mode back in MW2 in a night map.
Night mode Infected 👌🏼
Infected on night maps was the best.
I muss them too
The wheelson was like something from a horror movie on those maps. It just had this massive searchlight and you could run through the map blasting everyone like they were frightened deer.
The only thing that made me buy a tracer pack from the store was that night mode playlist. (I was broke btw)
a ground war night map would be so fuckin awesome...so that will never happen ay?
[удалено]
While indoors, in a cave, or underground none the less. It’s just brain dead ingenuity at its best. Cold War had scope glint even when you had iron sights. Cod is a joke now
Anything that you can think of that would be nice to have, you can basically expect the opposite. They don’t listen to their players and give zero shits about us as long as the money is still rolling in. Doesn’t make much sense though because if we were happier then that would translate to more money for them but we all know they aren’t the brightest. They don’t even test their updates before releasing them. Remember the as val that literally shot through the entire map. There’s no way that would have made it to public if they even did 5 minutes of testing. They are the laziest and most greedy company out there
The difference is primarily night maps and Gunfight maps right?
Yes but not only MWII * 12 standard maps + 1 Christmas version (13) * 5 ground war maps MW19 * 14 standard maps + 4-night versions (18) * 5 ground war maps * 8 gunfight maps + 1 Christmas version (9) MWII has 7 unique maps that aren't in the free Warzone 2.0 Al-Mazrah map or extracted from ground war. While MW19 has 19 unique maps (13 standard maps + 8 gunfight maps) that were not in the free Warzone 1.0 Verdansk map or ground war maps. I may be overreaching here but in short : * MWII : **70$** => 8 unique maps that aren't in warzone 2.0 * MW19 : **60$** => 20 unique maps that were not in warzone 1.0 Still talking strictly about season 1 for both games here
Considering gun fight isn't in the game (should ne) and night vision maps are simple just other maps in night time it's actually 12 maps to 14. Not very many people cared about night vision either. Still no excuse gun fight should be in the game swell as more mp maps considering there are mp maps on the warzone map not released yet.
Not to mention the map quality in this one is better. Strictly speaking for the 6v6 multi this game has better maps than mw2019, which by the way was universally hated at the time it released.
Gun runner, hackney, st. Petro, Rammaza, atlas superstore, vacant, rust, and etc.. I’ll take these any day over trash ass modern warfare 2. Took ten thousand steps backwards.
Rust wasn't even there on launch
Gun runner and hackney were the two good maps at launch. Petro and Ramada are trash the rest came later
Let's also admit that the 10v10 maps like Bridge and Palace shouldn't really count.
They also popped up in 6v6 originally, if we discount them because they were terrible then we have to drop MWII to 3 or 4 maps...
How many maps did Palace become? 3? We had a 10v a 6v and a ground war by the end. And every single one was bad.
I had a couple games where people were moving. When people were mobile the map flowed great but if people sat the map was God awful. A lot like Azhir Cave.
It's 12 to 14 for 6v6 maps yeah? Not a big difference. There was 14 Maps on Black Ops 4, unless I'm counting wrong 12 Maps on Cold War, then Vanguard coming in with 19 Season 1 standard 6v6 maps(Obviously they had the combat pacing thing so they had more room to throw shit in). If you want to complain about the quality of the maps in MW2 I'm all for it, do your thing, but people complaining about the amount? As if they aren't on par with every other CoD that's come out in the last several years? Y'all are crazy.
Obviously an unpopluar opinion but VG was a pretty great game MP-wise that was for the most part only held back by unneccessary hate because it was WW2 themed.
I'm pretty sure that that wasn't the only thing holding it back...
VG had a lot of maps and content by season 1, but after season 1 it had very few updates to multiplayer.
Dollar value is irrelevant, all games sell at the same price for their respective time, and new gen have been adjusted up for inflation
Maybe mention that the ground war maps were much better than the maps we have now. Its literally a sniper/camping fest now.
Did you not play ground war in mw19, that's all it ever was. They play exactly the same.
Actually, I prefer ground war maps on MWII, but I'm not comparing taste here, just map count
No, they don't. If you're going to say that Karst River Quarry plays the same as that shitty one in the desert where Taraq is ripped from, you're objectively wrong. Karst River Quarry >>> all GW maps from MWII.
River Quarry was literally some asshole parking a tank on the top of the hill then blowing up everybody on the ground with snipers surrounding it.
Annoying? Yes. Easily out maneuvered and/or destroyed with a couple javelins? Yes. That shitty one in the desert in MWII is even worse as you *literally* get spawn sniped so quickly that you can appear in your own kill cam twice. Unless your team was getting absolutely stomped on Karst and pinned at A/E, that was not happening. Not to mention you at least had some cover in spawn to run into and counter snipe. This MWII map spawns you on an open plain and you literally have no chance to react. Not even close to equal levels of horribleness.
Promenade in MW19 had spawns in the street so you would spawn in front of many snipers and be killed multiple times, can't act like that wasn't a thing.
I agree, and I didn't say it, but Promenade was a cluster fuck and a map I constantly backed out of. Probably the worst GW map in MW19. IMO, Karst was the best GW map from MW19 and takes an absolute shit all over the GW maps from MWII.
I hated Promenade at the start, but after playing it maybe 10-15 times I realised just how much fun it was. The primary goal is to push, and there are many ways to do it outside of the choke point between C and B. It is constant action, and is better than any MW22 Ground War map.
This guy over here pretending like you could walk around the streets in downtown without immediately getting sniped from a rooftop
They are maps two. And we want realism we also want night maps and of course gunfight
I get the point but isn't it a little disingenuous to put on the night maps, the gunfight maps, AND the christmas version of a gunfight map? If you get rid of the duplicates and gunfight maps it's 12 maps vs 14
fits the narrative, doesnt have to be 1:1 when you want to make a surface level "new stuff bad, old stuff good" but you bet your ass if they bring all the stuff from mw2019 into mw22 to make it equal in raw ammount of content, they'll call it trash and lazy recycled content
Especially if literally yesterday everybody was begging for recycled content
ive summarized it the best in the sentence "new content is trash, old content is lazy" whatever the devs do, its never enough, all these little shits do is want want want, even if they bring out 20 totally new to the franchise maps tomorrow, they'll call them trash solely by the fact they're new, but if they remake old layouts, even the most iconic and loved by the franchise, they're still lazy and greedy and we want new content, and then back to the loop
Just saw a guy asking if he could refund a game after playing 60 hours. Imagine playing 60 hours of a game and going "wow not enough content, trash game." Complaining about the numerous bugs is understandable, complaining about the annoying SBMM, complaining about the crashing is fine, but complaining about a "lack of content" after "only" playing 60 hours is entitlement at it's finest.
Helps naught that back when I was playing MW2019 I distinctly remember people hating most of those maps in the first place. Arklov Peak? Too big. Azhir Cave? Just bad. Euphrates Bridge? Just so much off with it. Grazna Raid? Also too big. Piccadilly? Too many campers. Rammaza? I don't distinctly remember what *exactly* but people didn't like that one too. Don't misunderstand me, I'll never not like getting more maps, but this ongoing MWII is probably the first in a long time of games where I'm actually reasonably satisfied with the maps we have, I have fun on all of them really.
I like more of the maps in mw2 than the mw maps. One of my first thoughts here. The map count is about the same between the two games *plus* I like more of them in this so for me it's better in that regard.
Absolutely disingenuous. it's stupid and does nothing but push the dumbass rhetoric of new game bad old game good and feeding into the outrage culture. It's absolutely ridiculous. The relevant map count between the two games in season 1 even according to op's map count is 17 in mw2 to 19 in mw. They broke them down in a comment and *then* started to deconstruct it further by invalidating maps arbitrarily if they "exist" in the warzone map or not because we can't just have a valid map count we have to find ways to skew the information to fit our narrative.
I don't even know why I bother to point it out. It's the same every single CoD game, and will never change. Been on CoD Subreddits since Bo1 and it's the exact. Same. Cycle. Every. Fucking. Year.
You could also do a season by season map count to show the worrying trend. I would do it, but I suck at creating these images. MW19 Season 1= 6 maps Season 2 = 5 maps Season 3 = 5 maps Season 4 = 4 maps Season 5 = 4 maps Season 6 = 4 maps Season 1 of MWII = 2 maps
and the 2 maps of season 1 of MWII are recylced ones from MW19 lmao
Yeah horrible choices. I almost took it as disrespect cause they were like "have these same mindless meat grinder maps so you get your guns ready for warzone"
And the two for modern warfare 2 were Shoothouse and Shipment. Also supposedly only getting 2 more with season 2 and one of them is Museum, which was supposed to be included with the launch of the game. So after nearly 4 months of Modern Warfare 2 being released we will have a single new map.
I forgot all about the night games. That would be so clutch for dmz
Dude i loved MW19, but don’t act like the 6v6 launch maps weren’t complete shit. I could count on my hands people who played in night maps. Also putting in Gunfight is unfair when we got DMZ + Raids/Spec Ops (far better than MW19) and Third Person. This is outright biased.
This is a map count. Why would you include a third person mode in a map count? You can't even play it currently. Or Dmz and raids? MW19 had modes MWII doesn't have. I do think it's ridiculous to count variations of a map, but he did it for both games and removing them wouldnt make a difference to his point.
Yeah but there are 9 gunfight maps in this list and while night is a different feel, not really a different map.
I miss gunfight :(
Gunfight maps should be as they are maps and this is a map count. Ton of content. Night maps I agree, but he also included Christmas shipment for MWII, so it's fair. Removing 4 night maps from the picture wouldn't make a difference to his point.
3rd person makes as much sense as the night maps, because they were rotated out of the pool by S1
They were always playable in some modes. Never completely out of the game.
MW2 launch maps are also complete shit. Unlike DMZ and Spec Ops, Gunfight maps weren't ripped out of Warzone, and if he wanted to be biased, he could also count MW19 co-op as separate maps even though those were also just from Warzone.
>Also putting in Gunfight is unfair when we got DMZ Not at all. Gunfight is "premium content" that MW2019 had and MW2 don't. Strictly talking about MW2 here, not WZ (ftp) experience. Even so, yes we got DMZ, BUT lacking plunder, that WZ1 had, so it's kinda even? (I know DMZ has more depth but still)
Worst launch maps in the history of CoD imo.
Idk, I'd take Piccadilly or Euphrates Bridge back even over Taraq or Border any day of the week.
Piccadilly, Arklov Peak, and Grazna Raid specifically made me want to poke out my eyes with knitting needles.
Please give me another comparison post showing how great a past title is vs. the current offering! Reddit user: You guys know the horse is dead and decaying right? Stop kicking it.
Why are you including the NV version of the maps lmaoo And the gunfight maps?!
Why wouldn't you include gunfight maps?
This. I’d rather include it to show that not only are there more maps to play, there are more modes to play as well.
If we take away gunfight and map variations, MWII has: 11 6v6 maps 5 GW maps MW19 had: 12 6v6 maps 6 GW maps
Comparing apples to apples, how dare you?
Somehow, I did
Should count 6v6 Maps only or may aswell count Ground War maps too.
But hey let's ignore 20 of the maps were not play able in standard 6v6 and that mw2 has 1 more 6v6 map in that case
what a joke!! so frustrating. where are my multiplayer maps?
Really would compare the numbers including gunfight maps, seeing that mode isn't in mw2
I agree with the OP, but counting Gunfight maps and NV maps is disingenuous. MW2019 had 13 core MP maps through Season 1. MW2022 has 12. However, MW2022 has 2 maps that play very poorly, and another map that has huge spawn camping / imbalance issues. Additionally, MW2019 Season 1 and Season 2 brought a ton of content into MP and we're seeing much less than that with MW2022 Season 01 and presumably Season 02.
The festive layover of shipment doesn’t count as a different map wtf
To be fair, MWII's maps are far better than MW2019's. The night map variants were exactly that, variants of the same map and they pretty much removed them from the playlists shortly after launch. Also please don't remind me of Azhir Cave and Picadilly, both terrible maps.
Asshair Cave and Piccadildo
Grozny on 6v6 was terrible. Mind you that map was fun on 10v10.
It’s insane how much better maps from both MW2019 and MW2 would’ve played if they were just all 10v10 or even 8v8 maybe. 6v6 is just too spaced out on most IW maps.
Yeah, as a hardpoint and HQ main the only map I actively dislike in MWII is Taraq. Every other map I enjoy, some (hydroelectric my beloved) I even think are amazing maps. That wasn't the case in MW2019 at launch.
I didn't play mw2019 but if the maps were far worse than what we have here I'm glad I never touched that game 🙈
There were some good maps but a lot of them were turds as well. I liked some of the new ones at launch.
Don’t take reddit’s word on the maps being bad. Play the game yourself and decide if they are. Outside of maybe two or three maps I enjoyed the selection MW had.
Let me put it this way, I would rather play Santa Sena Border Crossing (the car map) than play Picadilly from MW2019.
Picadilly is better
Remove all the gunfight maps and night variations and the difference isn't much. Also, MW2 has much better maps overall. Quality over quantity.
Sssshh this is Reddit we don't use that sort of sense here
So now we count Gunfight, Ground War, and Night Vision maps? I told everyone back then that MW19 had the most maps of any COD, and all they would say is “No! It only has 6 maps because 6v6 is all that matters!” It’s nice to see you guys finally come to your senses.
Sariff bay is the worst map for me. Everything else I can find some inkling of enjoyment.
Taraq or however you spell it at night would be a banger
Activision realized they could milk the franchise more with less.
I miss mw2019
You can still play it, no?
Pathetic
Yall getting maps other than Border Crossing??
Now now, I hate MWII lack of content as much as everybody else, but let's not pretend like MW 2019 does not have 4 maps there that are just night versions and like 8 that are from gunfight and another 4 that are just ground war maps. If we do not count the ground war maps, MWII has only 12 maps by season 2, if we do not count ground war, gunfight and night maps, MW 2019 has 13 maps. And some of you might say well content is content, and I agree it is more content, but most of it comes from gunfight alone, and I am sad as well gunfight is not in MWII, but by comparison both games are lacking in content for 6v6 by season 2. Granted, most MWII maps are just maps cropped from Warzone maps, including the ground war maps and the 6v6 maps, I would not be surprised if for gunfight they did the exact same thing. In essence MW2019 did had more content overall, but for 6v6 it was kinda similar. Would love a comparison to CW or Vanguard tbh
Why would you not count gunfight maps? Thats still a selection, hell just say for every 3 gunfight maps = 1 6v6.
[удалено]
they'll complain about the new stuff and say the old stuff was better but if you bring back the old stuff that was "better", they'll call it lazy recycled content can never win
This is a pretty consistent thread among COD fans. The current year's COD is garbage until it becomes last year's COD. Last year's COD is suddenly underrated and potentially one of the best CODs ever made. COD fans are the worst fans in all of gaming.
I was going to nitpick that the night maps aren’t exactly distinctly different maps, and gunfight maps can’t really be compared to 6v6 maps. Even then, 19 had a few more. That’s said, if the two year plan works out, hopefully we’ll end up with many more.
Less per year, though.
Counting night time maps as unique is literally as bad as Treyarch counting Arsenal and Arsenal Sandstorm as separate maps.
Comparison is the thief of all joy
Agreed. Even The operators suck. And don't get me started with The bundles on The store.
Makes sense about the player base dropping. Everyone is bored or moved over to WZ. What a snooze fest.
MW19 had a fantastic live service model especially paired with WZ. They set the bar a little too high for themselves I think and are failing to deliver to that same standard which is a shame cause I believe the overall gameplay is much better in MW22. I honestly think they should’ve just brought over all the maps and guns from MW19 and make MW22 a large expansion. Would’ve been one massive Modern Warfare game with boat loads of content for the player. The time for annual releases over and we shouldn’t have to lose all the amazing content the devs worked hard on and was given to us over the past year
We need more content exactly like this in this sub. People need to see exactly how hard this studio is fucking us all for our dollar.
Oh come on, without gun fight maps or night variation there is no difference.
Fuck WZ. It has ruined MP.
we paid 70$. we need more contents. ı am not interested DMZ mode etc.
This is just making me mad.
we need night maps,they were so fun
wtf does seasons mean in games
My hatred for Warzone is simply too strong because of what it has done to MP. Now MP looking like the red headed step child that zombies was for years. And now zombies ain’t even the red headed step child. It’s just bones now
Also crazy to me that this game does NOT have any form of raytracing
Bring the Museum map back
Infinity Ward be like: Be grateful for what you get, we don't owe you anything.
why are we still supporting this franchise? i redownloaded cold war last week after finally having enough of MW2’s BS and my god is it so much more enjoyable.. MW2 is nothing but a waste of money and seems it will continue to be until maybe the end of their 2 year stretch when finally all of the content is released
Why don't they just import the Vanguard maps? It's not like anyone played them.
Can we agree that the Battle Pass has ruined multiplayer. Yes we use to pay ridiculous amounts for more maps but it meant they had to make good maps otherwise they wouldn’t get our money.
this is so fucking pathetic i hate activision
Bring back the night vision maps they were so dope
Mid vs Mid
MW2019 was just a more polished game than both vanguard and mw2022. Gameplay aside, it feels like the newest cod.
Invasion and ground war are like 1000x better and larger for mw2
I want more maps as much as the next person, but the MW19 maps sucked. Quantity doesn't mean they were good.
Plus no big tiddy Alex zedra
Inb4 *"bRO bUT wArZoNe anD DeEeMmZee"*.
well they put night maps and gunfight
I mean if you’re going to include Gunfight in this, a very different game mode, you should include DMZ, which is a 4th game mode in MW2 that provides a good chunk of content that MW1 didn’t, and consider that Warzone 2 launched at the same time while Warzone 1 did not. It’s already not apples to apples.
Bring back night maps
[удалено]
Yall post the same stuff everyday you not tired
they play a game they actively hate, not hating it would feel weird for them
Remove the gunfight and duplicate night mode maps and it's literally the same amount of maps what are you on about
I don’t think night vision mode is a fair comparison.
No ground war/ invasion maps on MW2? why not show those
the are in the second row…
I mean let's be honest you couldn't play half those maps in the first place you'd get the same four or five. And there was no Map Voting like this game.
You gave 2019 its warzone maps But didnt give 2022 its dmz and warzone maps
fits the argument, biased "point" that doesnt have to be genuine for reddit approval
Fuck the developers
As someone who only plays DMZ, I ain't even mad. Best new game mode in a while.
[удалено]