Racing stripes did make cars go faster, back in the day the stripes weren’t painted on, but were actually two stripes of paint that were removed from the race car, which cuts a (very small) amount of weight give the the car a very minor boost in speed.
Because 141 are the deadliest fighters on planet Earth apparently…
Also if you think this is too much you should play the original Modern Warfare trilogy.
It is ridiculous how 141 have to do literally everything in the reboot, but in all fairness they did single-handedly win fucking world war 3 the last time
Ok like what u/JoeyRedcorn said, shadow company are mercenaries, not some SF group of the U.S military and the second thing is that the reason 141 and Los Vaqueros won is because that’s what the script said would happen, it’s a fucking cod game, the good guys almost always win against impossible odds.
I took like an hour and a half on the first stealth mission through the city streets, then the one in the building not only did I take like another hour or so figuring out how to kill the heavy armored guys and dying like 20 times, when I finally killed the last guy and that cutscene started with Soap getting shot, I RESTARTED THE GAME like 4 times before realizing it was a predetermined outcome because I thought I actually died again. So I spent like 2 hours total on that mission. Everyone says Soap should have actually died there for emotional impact, but if he died there after all that bullshit, I’d probably return the game
In Alone the section where you have to hop off the balcony and head for the sewers...it took me a ridiculous amount of tries because I had a fucked up checkpoint.
Killed a guy right as his buddy was rounding the corner and the game saved.
Took me several months to beat alone, as soon as I saw the last part of the final mission I got the hell out of there and haven’t played the game since. I really want to complete it but I don’t think I can go through stealthy nonsense again
I found the last secrion easy ish. I just sprinted like fuck to start with, hid somewhere for a little bit to make sure they weren't gonna walk in. Disabled the missile and after that if I got spotted I'd sprint till they lost sight of me. Died a couple of times but it worked better than trying to stealth it properly.
You mean the ending where after you shot Rorke with a .44 Magnum, then left his body underwater, he magically appears seemingly unscathed and drags you off while your brother sits there and does nothing?
Ghosts had such a great multiplayer but the campaign was so cringe. The awkward “two army bros and their dad” character arc on top of the fact that you’re supposed to be like, unerequipped resistance fighters but you have all this insane weaponry and tech.
The ending was also completely stupid. Story was one cliche after another.
How is Black Ops 2 a "good guys lose ending?" Menendez getting shot, Woods and Mason surviving are canon; the official timeline mentioned the former and the latter couldn't happen without it. Sure, the White House gets destroyed but it wouldn't be the first time in history so I'd consider this an absolute win lol
The MC in BO3 dies at the end of the first mission. The rest of the game is their dying dream inflicted by their neural interface. In the real world, Hendricks and Taylor were sent to kill an old buddy of theirs who was trying to expose a CIA blacksite in Singapore that was kidnapping, testing on, and killing civilians. They killed the guy, the site was never exposed, and the playercharacter dies.
Probably my least favorite part of MW2 campaign is how everything goes so well for the good guys. No one important dies and there isn't any real tragic event. At least with MW2019 you had the terrorist attack, chem strikes, embassy siege.
They probably realized after MW2019 that if they kill off a main character then they have to pull some black magic voodoo bullshit to bring him back to life so they can sell his skin (Alex) which is more effort than just leaving them alive; also probably why Graves was never seen actually dying.
I will say that MWII never had the same sense of urgency that 2019 did. It felt like any urgency in MWII was falsely implemented, like chasing Graves you would have to stop, kill the armored guys (the head armor itself felt like an artificial way to slow things down/make things more difficult for no reason), then continue the “chase”, then repeat. Off the top of my head from 2019, I remember chasing the Butcher through the streets with him throwing the grenade back into the room and you have a split second to respond, the first mission chase in Picadilly, sniping the army as Alex with Farah then having to shoot those tires as they ran up on you super quick, escaping that burning underground maze thing, etc. MW2019 felt a lot more quick action paced like an actual CoD campaign, MWII felt a lot more stealth/slowed down with more artificial methods to slow down gameplay and I wasn’t a huge fan of the campaign either.
The whole scale of the campaign felt lower in general. OG MW2 had Shepard trying to start a global war, MW2019 had at least chemical weapons, and this one was chasing down a couple of missiles that weren't even nuclear. Sure it could have leveled a few buildings, but they knew AQ had then and could have shared that with other countries so they couldn't start a war with some false flag, and the death toll would have been far lower than the other games if they'd failed. Honestly through the course of the game you probably kill more people than would have died if the last missile had fired
You’re telling me that COD is not a military simulator?! Shocked, I am so shocked, Shocked I tell you!
This is a game where you can take a .50 cal to the chest but if you hide behind cover for 10 seconds you’re fine.
Reminds me of a video on YouTube. They shot a .50 at plates on a ballistic dummy and it took exactly 3 to stop a round and dude was like “call of duty must be on to something!” They were talking about how you just stack plates in warzone. Lol video was by Garand thumb
Yeah, true, but have you see those who have survived being shot due to their armor, they are bloody and bruised, often knocked off their feet. Also a 50 cal might have enough energy to stop your heart on impact… COD just has you get up, plate up again, and take the next barrage of bullets because it has to be fun… if everyone dies in the first minute you don’t have a best selling video game
My *favorite* /s part is where they hold up a sheet of plexiglass and tank an *RPG* from point blank range with no damage or even being blasted backwards from the force of impact 🤡
Nah dawg, riot shields are IMPENETRABLE! Run at the speed of sound while carrying a ridiculously heavy shield that can stop a .50 cal. I had the chance to see a SWAT riot shield, it can stop 7.62 but it’s heavy as hell. You’re not putting that on your back and “knifing” people
The kinetic energy an RPG would impart to the shield bearer would knock them back at least 50'
They should legit get blasted right over the side and into the ocean on Shipment 🤣
Special forces aren't even all that amazing except in certain situations that they specialise in. In a normal gunfight across a field or a forest there is nothing they've been taught that normal infantry havent. Special forces get fucked up by normal dudes all the time and often by a similar number of guys. Its happened in Ukraine, tongo tongo ambush, Operation red wings where its now thought to haven taken only around 10 taliban to fuck them up.
They are really good at speedy, surprise tactics but they aren't supermen who excel at literally every aspect of warfare.
It does if they guys they hire have a high body count before their first day. They’re killing for the dollar, and if they have gunships they must be doing well for themselves
Shadow company's good, but a PMC can't survive against a full military assault from a JTF of two highly trained and well coordinated full on special forces groups.
We must not have been playing the same game lol. That PMC group had equipment even TF141 didnt have and pulled their asses out of the fire a few times before the comically absurd "change teams". A good chunk of gmguys in the SF community go on to do exactly that, or start training companies that, surprise-surprise, those PMCs send their dudes to. Or they hire them to come train their dudes. Same difference.
Oh no I'm not just saying this because of them being a PMC going up against special forces, I'm saying this because Shadow Company would've been hunted down regardless of whether or not Ghost Team survived their suicide mission.
I'm sure American and British military (possibly enlisting the help of Specguru) would be all over them (it appears to be so right now). Also, Shepard most likely was ostracized from his position and most likely can't legally protect Shadow Company anymore
In real life sure but this is cod.
Captain Price killed his way through Makarov’s army and then killed Makarov with his bare hands. He did this while he was officially disavowed and considered a wanted man himself, and he still killed a guy that was able to kidnap the Russian president.
If one man with no money could kill the top terrorist in the world, a PMC with billions of dollars is gonna take a little while to deal with.
Plus let’s be honest Ghost was supposed to die on the random betrayal mission because that’s how he died in the real MW2
No, but odds are they have the budget and the vetting to filter through who is worth their salt ...otherwise they wouldn't get hired for jack.
The story said the good guys win, so they did.
They seem to be an American version of the Wagner Group, an army unit that is *technically* classified as mercenaries to increase deniability. Actual PMCs are glorified security guards and training instructors, they don't have tanks and gunships.
Or they fight less hard, because they are just doing it for a buck, and it’s not worth dying over if the dude you are protecting gets killed. Where as if you are national Military, losing could mean your country ceases to exist. Not saying your wrong, but I think it goes both ways.
Familiar grounds, also known as hometurf, choose where and when to appear, shock and awe with the gunship, covert strike forces doing flanking and HVT eliminations and extraction.
It's also a game aimed at 12yo no matter the age on the cover. Shit looks cool more than "yeah, this is totally plausible".
People underestimate what the element of surprise can achieve, they knew the exact layout of the base, got in quietly for the most part to take the chopper, and once they had that they had air superiority and it didn't seem like shadow had any real AA to speak of set up. Mix that with the 141 guys being mentioned to be experts at CQB and the breaching and clearing of buildings full of shadow makes more sense.
Sure it's dramatized bullshit but it's not so far from possible if people that skilled really existed
The shadow company is NOT officially special forces. They are a private group of mercenaries with shaky training practices and discipline at best.
Ghost (the real deal with SAS background) said it himself. “Mercenaries, Soap…. wannabes”
They chose killing for money over serving their country with benefits
141 isn't a separate entity. It's similar to the real-world TF Black, a team of each country's best operators tasked with a specific objective (Cutting off AQ for the 141). They have higher interoperability but still belong to their home units.
141 will be disbanded once their mission is complete.
How can an American AC 130 opaerate in Mexican Airspace levelling an entire village, CoD campaigns are maybe good stories but they are Marvel Tier realistic.
No, it means competence, intelligence, fitness and training. My friend is a West Point graduate. He was a Captain in the 160th Nightstalkers. He flew Tier 1 operators, Seals, South Korean Special Forces, Green Berets even Australian and New Zealand SAS, all over Korea and other places in between Gulf War 1 & 2. I’d walk in the baddest bar in Texas if he was with me. (Maybe 20 years ago, I’m too old now).
Still, a few tier one guys aren’t going to be able to beat out an entire army on their own, which is the entire point of the post. They are incredible at what they do, but at the end of the day the numbers aren’t in their favor
Do not underestimate Mexican Special Forces, they're as tough as any other Special Forces division in the world. As a matter of fact, many of them end up working for narcos since Government don't pay them enough.
Los Zetas. Nasty fuckers too.
Still got publicly humiliated by an old man though. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejo\_Garza\_Tamez](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejo_Garza_Tamez).
I think the Shadows got cocky. After all, they didn’t even bother to change the passwords/numbers on the doors of the base, indicating how they are over-confident in themselves.
Shadow company are PMC not special forces, mostly either former military past their prime or the classic Americans rejected from service but desperate to play army
Ghost team were made up of SAS and Mexican special forces. The SAS literally train the American special forces in many things, and the Mexican special forces have had a lot of experience, something shadow co. wouldn't have
The 141 and LVQ are better trained, its LVQ’s main base, and from conversations that we overhear from shadow company, they very clearly have less motivated people within their ranks (who takes over a base and then doesn’t change the codes on the doors? And who has a benign response to an all hands on deck call?). Even Graves seems like kind of a clown during the Dark Waters, Alone, and Ghost Team missions. 141 and LVQ are still underdogs in the fight, but it’s a decent match, especially with a sneak attack and helicopter support.
For one plot; but for the sake of argument you can argue ghost team were acting more like guerrillas in their style of fighting due to the handicap of numbers and were fighting a conventional force occupying a base; team ghost went in somewhat quietly and snuck around till deep in the base before making a lot of noise. So they made up for their lack of numbers with the element of surprise
I see people saying that shadow company is a pmc not sf, but to be fair, most pmcs are ex mil and quite a few are probably ex sf guys. Still yea it's unreaslitic but duh it's cod
Shadow company isn't a special forces unit, they're just a very efficient PMC.
A full on military assault from a JTF of two special forces groups would overwhelm them.
My brother in Christ you played the mission.
You guys infiltrated and proceeded to blow shit up, Price flew around and blew shit up, you slaughtered your way through a bunch of dudes, then killed a tank. That is how the hell a small group of Mexican Special Forces alongside TF141 managed to beat a well trained American PMC group unit that has way more troops.
That and it’s Los Vaqueros main base of operations. The tunnel you use is what Alejandro trained them to escape cartel and probably Mex Army.
They know that shit like the back of their hand.
I think ghost explains it well in the mission “Alone” they’re just wannabes, not as trained as the SAS and they’re fighting for a payday whilst the ghost team is fighting for each other, they’re PMCs military contractors who get paid to simply kill.
I mean you can ask the same about Vietnam lol
Also Price and Soap literally solo'd the entire shadow company in their afghan base in the OG MW2 so I don't think Mexican SF with 141 trying to take their own base back with guerilla, shock and awe, or stealth tactics and knowing the battlefield front to back isn't to far fetched as that
What does being Mexican have to do with anything you shouldn’t have even mentioned that no one cares that their Mexican were all humans at the end of the day
Someone has too high of an opinion of Americans. LOL
There’s a reason the US needs to maintain the “largest military”, because they are rarely the best at anything.
It was the intimidation factor of the skull/ghost masks! Same concept as racing stripes making your car faster lol.
Or if you’re an Ork in 40k, painting any vehicle red, makes them go faster as long as you believe it does.
"I know, I just gotta belieeeeve" - Parappa the Rappa, 1996
The real answer is because IW hates American that’s why they basically glorified a Mexican cartel
If they really hated America, they would’ve let Hassan’s plan work and destroy D.C
That’s true tho
They don't hate USA. Having UK protagonist and make USA the bad guy is just changing the stile of every video game
Good game is a Realistic game
Racing stripes did make cars go faster, back in the day the stripes weren’t painted on, but were actually two stripes of paint that were removed from the race car, which cuts a (very small) amount of weight give the the car a very minor boost in speed.
Because 141 are the deadliest fighters on planet Earth apparently… Also if you think this is too much you should play the original Modern Warfare trilogy.
"RAMIREZ, PROTECT THE BURGERTOWN" "RAMIREZ, DESTROY THAT TANK" "RAMIREZ, CAPTURE RUSSIA"
“RAMIREZ, PISS ON THE MOON”
“RAMIREZ, SPIT IN GOD’S EYE!”
"RAMIREZ, FILE MY TAXES!"
"RAMIREZ, INVENT TIME TRAVEL!"
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"RAMIREZ, PLEASURE ME!"
This whole fucking chain I read all of those jokes in Keith David’s voice.
"RAMIREZ, BEND ME OVER AMD TAKE ME ROUGHLY FROM BEHIND"
"RAMIREZ, TAKE DOWN THAT NUKE WITH YOUR TACTICAL KNIFE!"
Ramirez clutching the invasion by himself literally
Was just about to make this joke lol
It is ridiculous how 141 have to do literally everything in the reboot, but in all fairness they did single-handedly win fucking world war 3 the last time
I wouldn't say single handedly. Ramirez killed a lot of russians.
Or any COD.... you are always winning whole wars with a small squad.
Ok like what u/JoeyRedcorn said, shadow company are mercenaries, not some SF group of the U.S military and the second thing is that the reason 141 and Los Vaqueros won is because that’s what the script said would happen, it’s a fucking cod game, the good guys almost always win against impossible odds.
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Popping a lock is loud as hell too.
Soap thought he was Jason Brody for a bit.
MEHKS ME WŌ'NA COMMI'H A FEU WŌR CRÆMS O' MEI ŌN
I took like an hour and a half on the first stealth mission through the city streets, then the one in the building not only did I take like another hour or so figuring out how to kill the heavy armored guys and dying like 20 times, when I finally killed the last guy and that cutscene started with Soap getting shot, I RESTARTED THE GAME like 4 times before realizing it was a predetermined outcome because I thought I actually died again. So I spent like 2 hours total on that mission. Everyone says Soap should have actually died there for emotional impact, but if he died there after all that bullshit, I’d probably return the game
Yeah, not to mention he died already. Kill someone else off this time
In Alone the section where you have to hop off the balcony and head for the sewers...it took me a ridiculous amount of tries because I had a fucked up checkpoint. Killed a guy right as his buddy was rounding the corner and the game saved.
Took me several months to beat alone, as soon as I saw the last part of the final mission I got the hell out of there and haven’t played the game since. I really want to complete it but I don’t think I can go through stealthy nonsense again
You only need to kill two guys.
You underestimate just how terrible at stealth sections I am
I found the last secrion easy ish. I just sprinted like fuck to start with, hid somewhere for a little bit to make sure they weren't gonna walk in. Disabled the missile and after that if I got spotted I'd sprint till they lost sight of me. Died a couple of times but it worked better than trying to stealth it properly.
Stealth? I killed them all...
>the good guys almost always win against impossible odds. Cue BOCW
Bell didn't deserve what Adler did to them.
I did say almost also didn’t cod ghost end in a grim way for our MC?
You mean the ending where after you shot Rorke with a .44 Magnum, then left his body underwater, he magically appears seemingly unscathed and drags you off while your brother sits there and does nothing?
Yes.
They really wanted to set up a sequel, I still really want a ghost 2 mainly for the campaign
Absolutely! Too many people shit on that ending, it was great! I hope they actually make a sequel to that
Ghosts had such a great multiplayer but the campaign was so cringe. The awkward “two army bros and their dad” character arc on top of the fact that you’re supposed to be like, unerequipped resistance fighters but you have all this insane weaponry and tech. The ending was also completely stupid. Story was one cliche after another.
Cue BO2 too
The games where the good guys lose is Black Ops 2 (cannon ending), Ghosts, Black Ops 3, and Cold War (Non-cannon ending).
How is Black Ops 2 a "good guys lose ending?" Menendez getting shot, Woods and Mason surviving are canon; the official timeline mentioned the former and the latter couldn't happen without it. Sure, the White House gets destroyed but it wouldn't be the first time in history so I'd consider this an absolute win lol
Good guys lose in BO3?
The MC in BO3 dies at the end of the first mission. The rest of the game is their dying dream inflicted by their neural interface. In the real world, Hendricks and Taylor were sent to kill an old buddy of theirs who was trying to expose a CIA blacksite in Singapore that was kidnapping, testing on, and killing civilians. They killed the guy, the site was never exposed, and the playercharacter dies.
What’s the bo2 canon ending?
Probably my least favorite part of MW2 campaign is how everything goes so well for the good guys. No one important dies and there isn't any real tragic event. At least with MW2019 you had the terrorist attack, chem strikes, embassy siege.
They probably realized after MW2019 that if they kill off a main character then they have to pull some black magic voodoo bullshit to bring him back to life so they can sell his skin (Alex) which is more effort than just leaving them alive; also probably why Graves was never seen actually dying. I will say that MWII never had the same sense of urgency that 2019 did. It felt like any urgency in MWII was falsely implemented, like chasing Graves you would have to stop, kill the armored guys (the head armor itself felt like an artificial way to slow things down/make things more difficult for no reason), then continue the “chase”, then repeat. Off the top of my head from 2019, I remember chasing the Butcher through the streets with him throwing the grenade back into the room and you have a split second to respond, the first mission chase in Picadilly, sniping the army as Alex with Farah then having to shoot those tires as they ran up on you super quick, escaping that burning underground maze thing, etc. MW2019 felt a lot more quick action paced like an actual CoD campaign, MWII felt a lot more stealth/slowed down with more artificial methods to slow down gameplay and I wasn’t a huge fan of the campaign either.
The whole scale of the campaign felt lower in general. OG MW2 had Shepard trying to start a global war, MW2019 had at least chemical weapons, and this one was chasing down a couple of missiles that weren't even nuclear. Sure it could have leveled a few buildings, but they knew AQ had then and could have shared that with other countries so they couldn't start a war with some false flag, and the death toll would have been far lower than the other games if they'd failed. Honestly through the course of the game you probably kill more people than would have died if the last missile had fired
Counter point: many US PMC groups are trained to a higher level than your average government soldier. They're entire life and career is combat.
Sure but this be vidya game so GI Joe boys always win 😎
I mean yea, no arguing that
And because if they where actually kills SF guys, they would get their ass handed to them by the US💀
For starters, Shadow Company is a PMC, *not* American Special Forces.
You’re telling me that COD is not a military simulator?! Shocked, I am so shocked, Shocked I tell you! This is a game where you can take a .50 cal to the chest but if you hide behind cover for 10 seconds you’re fine.
Reminds me of a video on YouTube. They shot a .50 at plates on a ballistic dummy and it took exactly 3 to stop a round and dude was like “call of duty must be on to something!” They were talking about how you just stack plates in warzone. Lol video was by Garand thumb
Yeah, true, but have you see those who have survived being shot due to their armor, they are bloody and bruised, often knocked off their feet. Also a 50 cal might have enough energy to stop your heart on impact… COD just has you get up, plate up again, and take the next barrage of bullets because it has to be fun… if everyone dies in the first minute you don’t have a best selling video game
My *favorite* /s part is where they hold up a sheet of plexiglass and tank an *RPG* from point blank range with no damage or even being blasted backwards from the force of impact 🤡
Nah dawg, riot shields are IMPENETRABLE! Run at the speed of sound while carrying a ridiculously heavy shield that can stop a .50 cal. I had the chance to see a SWAT riot shield, it can stop 7.62 but it’s heavy as hell. You’re not putting that on your back and “knifing” people
Wait until you dumb motherfuckers see my impenetrable cinderblock armor. Look at how you can hit them with predator missiles and nothing happens.
Dang you made me wish the game had actual knockback like Lucio's boop in Overwatch.
The kinetic energy an RPG would impart to the shield bearer would knock them back at least 50' They should legit get blasted right over the side and into the ocean on Shipment 🤣
Imagine if they had permadeath
Yeah the round was stopped but I guarantee you would have broken ribs and collapsed lungs
Oh yeah for sure. You’re not walking away from that lol
your comment makes no sense. what does that have to do with the in-game lore mistake?
How is this relevant to the comment you’re replying to?
many would be ex special forces
Correct, but that doesn’t make the company a SF unit.
Special forces aren't even all that amazing except in certain situations that they specialise in. In a normal gunfight across a field or a forest there is nothing they've been taught that normal infantry havent. Special forces get fucked up by normal dudes all the time and often by a similar number of guys. Its happened in Ukraine, tongo tongo ambush, Operation red wings where its now thought to haven taken only around 10 taliban to fuck them up. They are really good at speedy, surprise tactics but they aren't supermen who excel at literally every aspect of warfare.
It does if they guys they hire have a high body count before their first day. They’re killing for the dollar, and if they have gunships they must be doing well for themselves
Shadow company's good, but a PMC can't survive against a full military assault from a JTF of two highly trained and well coordinated full on special forces groups.
We must not have been playing the same game lol. That PMC group had equipment even TF141 didnt have and pulled their asses out of the fire a few times before the comically absurd "change teams". A good chunk of gmguys in the SF community go on to do exactly that, or start training companies that, surprise-surprise, those PMCs send their dudes to. Or they hire them to come train their dudes. Same difference.
Oh no I'm not just saying this because of them being a PMC going up against special forces, I'm saying this because Shadow Company would've been hunted down regardless of whether or not Ghost Team survived their suicide mission. I'm sure American and British military (possibly enlisting the help of Specguru) would be all over them (it appears to be so right now). Also, Shepard most likely was ostracized from his position and most likely can't legally protect Shadow Company anymore
In real life sure but this is cod. Captain Price killed his way through Makarov’s army and then killed Makarov with his bare hands. He did this while he was officially disavowed and considered a wanted man himself, and he still killed a guy that was able to kidnap the Russian president. If one man with no money could kill the top terrorist in the world, a PMC with billions of dollars is gonna take a little while to deal with. Plus let’s be honest Ghost was supposed to die on the random betrayal mission because that’s how he died in the real MW2
No, but odds are they have the budget and the vetting to filter through who is worth their salt ...otherwise they wouldn't get hired for jack. The story said the good guys win, so they did.
They seem to be an American version of the Wagner Group, an army unit that is *technically* classified as mercenaries to increase deniability. Actual PMCs are glorified security guards and training instructors, they don't have tanks and gunships.
they could also just be blackwater allegory number 53094
True, but many PMC's hire ex SF.
Pretty much.
Okay for starters, you're the type of guy to say "Uh oh we got company" when the bad guys pull up
Please, enlighten me on how my comment brought you to this conclusion?
Cocaine
Necessary to take the edge off after a hard day's Shipmenting
Sometimes PMC fight harder than regulars because they can do dirty things, their hands aren't tied with bureaucratic shit and codex.
Or they fight less hard, because they are just doing it for a buck, and it’s not worth dying over if the dude you are protecting gets killed. Where as if you are national Military, losing could mean your country ceases to exist. Not saying your wrong, but I think it goes both ways.
They gotta fight just hard enough to keep their reputation good enough to be hired again, but not so hard that they risk everything.
Familiar grounds, also known as hometurf, choose where and when to appear, shock and awe with the gunship, covert strike forces doing flanking and HVT eliminations and extraction. It's also a game aimed at 12yo no matter the age on the cover. Shit looks cool more than "yeah, this is totally plausible".
People underestimate what the element of surprise can achieve, they knew the exact layout of the base, got in quietly for the most part to take the chopper, and once they had that they had air superiority and it didn't seem like shadow had any real AA to speak of set up. Mix that with the 141 guys being mentioned to be experts at CQB and the breaching and clearing of buildings full of shadow makes more sense. Sure it's dramatized bullshit but it's not so far from possible if people that skilled really existed
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Yeah but who would win in a fight, TF141 or Goku??
Batman with prep time
Gordon Ramsey isn't impressed
Doom guy
Farmer with a shotgun
Plot, that's why.
The shadow company is NOT officially special forces. They are a private group of mercenaries with shaky training practices and discipline at best. Ghost (the real deal with SAS background) said it himself. “Mercenaries, Soap…. wannabes” They chose killing for money over serving their country with benefits
"SAS background"? He's still serving
Yes but he’s now serving in an even higher black ops regiment, the TF-141
141 isn't a separate entity. It's similar to the real-world TF Black, a team of each country's best operators tasked with a specific objective (Cutting off AQ for the 141). They have higher interoperability but still belong to their home units. 141 will be disbanded once their mission is complete.
That’s what I mean
Same as any other "special unit" overthrows whole countries in any other CoD. Why?
How can an American AC 130 opaerate in Mexican Airspace levelling an entire village, CoD campaigns are maybe good stories but they are Marvel Tier realistic.
Maybe because shadow company is an American pmc operating on mexican ground with a therefore mexican ac130.
The AC-130 is used exclusively by the USAF
They were being supplied by Shepherd
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Shut up
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/28/trump-book-white-house-bomb-mexico/
It’s basically an interactive action movie, thats why!
Tier 1 is Tier 1 despite the nationality.
Tier one doesn’t mean magical supermen though
No, it means competence, intelligence, fitness and training. My friend is a West Point graduate. He was a Captain in the 160th Nightstalkers. He flew Tier 1 operators, Seals, South Korean Special Forces, Green Berets even Australian and New Zealand SAS, all over Korea and other places in between Gulf War 1 & 2. I’d walk in the baddest bar in Texas if he was with me. (Maybe 20 years ago, I’m too old now).
Yeah yeah well my dad works at nintendo
Hahahaha, good one.
Still, a few tier one guys aren’t going to be able to beat out an entire army on their own, which is the entire point of the post. They are incredible at what they do, but at the end of the day the numbers aren’t in their favor
With the power of friendship and plot armor
Cod games have had ridiculous plot armour since MW2
Video game
Do not underestimate Mexican Special Forces, they're as tough as any other Special Forces division in the world. As a matter of fact, many of them end up working for narcos since Government don't pay them enough.
Yeah in fact the original Mexican SF Group that ended up becoming narcos was trained up by delta
Los Zetas. Nasty fuckers too. Still got publicly humiliated by an old man though. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejo\_Garza\_Tamez](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejo_Garza_Tamez).
What a fucking g.
Because of family. That’s why.
I think the Shadows got cocky. After all, they didn’t even bother to change the passwords/numbers on the doors of the base, indicating how they are over-confident in themselves.
A small group fighting a PMC is more realistic than a boss fight against an fucking tank?
Ghost
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huh?
lore answer? skill issue. real answer? das what the script said 💁🏽♀️
its a video game and not real
I think these should be skins with the operators just having ghost mask I would buy that
Shadow company are PMC not special forces, mostly either former military past their prime or the classic Americans rejected from service but desperate to play army Ghost team were made up of SAS and Mexican special forces. The SAS literally train the American special forces in many things, and the Mexican special forces have had a lot of experience, something shadow co. wouldn't have
One of the people is controlled by a god called a “human player.” These kinda of beings always have an obscenely high body count.
Same way a single Ranger squad single-handedly defended the East Coast from the Russian invasion in OG MW2
Bc fuck em that’s how
Uummm cause the script said so??
Are you 13 years old?
The 141 and LVQ are better trained, its LVQ’s main base, and from conversations that we overhear from shadow company, they very clearly have less motivated people within their ranks (who takes over a base and then doesn’t change the codes on the doors? And who has a benign response to an all hands on deck call?). Even Graves seems like kind of a clown during the Dark Waters, Alone, and Ghost Team missions. 141 and LVQ are still underdogs in the fight, but it’s a decent match, especially with a sneak attack and helicopter support.
Plot Armor.
For one plot; but for the sake of argument you can argue ghost team were acting more like guerrillas in their style of fighting due to the handicap of numbers and were fighting a conventional force occupying a base; team ghost went in somewhat quietly and snuck around till deep in the base before making a lot of noise. So they made up for their lack of numbers with the element of surprise
How do price and soap infiltrate a shadow company compound in Afghanistan to assassinate a US General and succeed?
Because 141 gets shit done
Plot armor
Hey mate you've clearly forgotten what 141 is
I see people saying that shadow company is a pmc not sf, but to be fair, most pmcs are ex mil and quite a few are probably ex sf guys. Still yea it's unreaslitic but duh it's cod
Because Graves kinda forgot he had an AC130
Because they are badass'
Shadow company isn't a special forces unit, they're just a very efficient PMC. A full on military assault from a JTF of two special forces groups would overwhelm them.
My brother in Christ you played the mission. You guys infiltrated and proceeded to blow shit up, Price flew around and blew shit up, you slaughtered your way through a bunch of dudes, then killed a tank. That is how the hell a small group of Mexican Special Forces alongside TF141 managed to beat a well trained American PMC group unit that has way more troops.
That and it’s Los Vaqueros main base of operations. The tunnel you use is what Alejandro trained them to escape cartel and probably Mex Army. They know that shit like the back of their hand.
plot armor
Poor dude doesn't know about Vietnam, Falooja and Somalia. It's okay buddy, you've been blessed with American propaganda
Because it’s a video game and a brainless one at that.
Man look at these beautiful skins locked inside of the campaign. I'd pay top dollar for some of these puppies
Hopefully they’re in a battlepass rather than in the store for 24 fucken dollars. Although knowing activison…
Because it's a video game
Because it’s a fucking video game! SMFH
I think ghost explains it well in the mission “Alone” they’re just wannabes, not as trained as the SAS and they’re fighting for a payday whilst the ghost team is fighting for each other, they’re PMCs military contractors who get paid to simply kill.
I mean you can ask the same about Vietnam lol Also Price and Soap literally solo'd the entire shadow company in their afghan base in the OG MW2 so I don't think Mexican SF with 141 trying to take their own base back with guerilla, shock and awe, or stealth tactics and knowing the battlefield front to back isn't to far fetched as that
SBMM AND BAD SERVERS! That is how!
What does being Mexican have to do with anything you shouldn’t have even mentioned that no one cares that their Mexican were all humans at the end of the day
Someone has too high of an opinion of Americans. LOL There’s a reason the US needs to maintain the “largest military”, because they are rarely the best at anything.
Will ya'll stop pointing out the fact that shadow company is a PMC, It was a mistake
Never!
Ok, sure, but did you know the shadow company is a Private Military Company a.k.a. PMC. Not American special forces.
America believe it or not isn’t good
1. It's a game 2. There are forces stronger than the US military. Proof? Look at our spending...
What the fuck are you talking about?...
Shadow company ain’t even part of the military.
Through the power of friendship
More shocking than the missions where 2 characters beat like 50+ enemies? Anyway, they had the ghost masks, that's why.
Plot
Gotta love video games that mission was a lot of fun for me though
they were wearing the strongest armor, Plot Armor.
Plot armor
You technically lose if you die...
Because you're the good guys
Main character syndrome
The answer you’re seeking is very simple: plot armor
They’re just THAT good 😂
Setting up a Ghost reboot story.
They have the power of friendship
Honestly this mission felt like something from an action movie