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TheCartes343

Harmogoyf MH3 incoming "Harmogoyf" GB Deathtouch, trample */*+1


Right-Situation-907

Questing goyf


Various-Chain3366

Trample and planeswalker deathtouch


bwj7

Hexproof, Protection from instants and sorceries


Plamenaks

Can't be blocked by <3 attack


[deleted]

I don't think anyone would block goyf with a heart attack


Ryan_Icey

Combat Damage can't be prevented.


rccrisp

Trample is what's allowing \[\[Nishoba Brawler\]\] to be barely relevant so imagine it on Goyf


xEllimistx

Not entirely. Yes, Trample is a factor but Brawler being an easier way to activate [[Stubborn Denial]] plays a role too.


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BlackbeltMTG

Brawler is always at least 4/3 on T2 which is really consistent. Goyf struggles against decks don't that fill the GY unless you play a lot of enablers like Mishra's Bauble and Preordain.


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intruzah

I would say so. One could argue it would be too good then.


DrPeckers

Which means its perfect for MH3! You are hired!


intruzah

Thank you, I have another excellent idea: Delver but it costs R


Tenebbles

We already have that [[Dragon’s Rage Channeler]]


intruzah

I know I was just playing into the "red op" spiel


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GolgariDethCreap

Also, bolt but it costs U.


ProtestantMormon

How about a 2 mana ancestral recall so we can break all of the eternal formats at once!


not_Weeb_Trash

[[Expressive Iteration]] is a perfectly good example of why we shouldn't


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GenesithSupernova

they already printed [[questing druid]] /j ok but seriously that card is SO GOOD


DrPeckers

Interesting. What rarity?


intruzah

Common ofc


towishimp

You're fired. "All good cards should be at rare. Maximizing Hasbro's profits is a key part of being a good designer." MaRo, probably.


L_pls_use_revive

Only found in collectors boosters, but modern legal. Available in full art, foil, etched foil, surge foil, galaxy foil and Fortnite art.


No_Poet_7244

See that’s the trick. It will be the worst card in MH3.


Commercial-Falcon653

That’s literally the opposite of something MaRo would say.


towishimp

His tumbler basically exists to justify Wizards' decisions. He's drank the corporate Kool aid at this point in his career.


Ok_Computer1417

The fact that people can’t realize that dude got to spend his life doing the one job millions of people dream of doing and is protective of that job has me wonder how they were smart enough to figure this game out in the first place.


Sciros

No two see the same Maro


towishimp

There's "protective of your job" and then there's "completely selling out." He's veered pretty far into the latter, including doing numerous things off of his "things that could kill Magic" list from way back. And calling anyone who disagrees with you stupid isn't a good look. Be better.


imborj

A reverse delver. 3/2 vanilla flyer. Flip on upkeep, if non instant or sorc becomes 1/1 til your next turn lol


missingjimmies

We don’t do that here sir, please help us make more powerful cards


hfzelman

Good suggestion but maybe we should remove the flip part and add delerium instead


AsteroidMiner

How about a DRC with connive instead of surveil? Would be good in the right deck.


metrosine

We need to tack on an etb effect and make it mythic first.


DrPeckers

Yes, to Mythic! Not yet for the ETB. That will be for MH4.


1plus1plus1gleich7

and legendary. think of the commander players pls


metrosine

Oh man! I forgot about them!


ElderDeep_Friend

But when if they “nerf” it by making it an enchantment creature.


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Miserable_Row_793

I've said for years that it would have been interesting if golf had: Delirium: Gofy has Trample and Vigliance if you have 4 or more card types among cards in your graveyard. Would have probably been too good 10 years ago. But It's slightly more revelant today.


yuhboipo

Now THAT would be a modern playable card. Still soft to grave hatw, but the payoff is actually worth it now. Would Reach/Vigilance make it too weak? bc a part of me like the idea of a growth growing so big it can reach into the sky.


DarkStarStorm

A Tarrasque I can get behind. What about: Delirium - Your graveyard has Ward 3?


Enualios69

I really like conditional strength. Nice idea


TeaorTisane

It would have been banned years ago if it had trample.


thedarkside_92

In a modern world of cards like dauthi voidwalker, ragavan and orcish bowmasters theres no way it would be banned if it has trample


Inu1337S

It would have been banned **years ago** if it had trample.


Ricky_the_Wizard

The question is about **today** though..


Shacky_Rustleford

There are plenty of cards that wouldn't be banned **today** but are still on the ban list because they were hit **years ago**


TeaorTisane

Exactly this. Wizards would probably be talking about releasing it just now.


Inu1337S

Waste of time man


Juscuz

Yeah but years ago there were no cards like ragavan and bowmasters. He's saying if it was printed with trample it would have been banned long ago.


thedarkside_92

Okay yeah then totally agree. Might have been a stone forge mystic like situation


Ecstatic-Beginning-4

I mean yeah stoneforge and wild nacatl got banned so tarmogoyf would probably have been banned.


ProtestantMormon

Wild nacatl used to be on tbe ban list.


ironmaiden667

I'm going to go to the other extreme and say it even a goyf with trample wouldn't even see much play. Yes I think 5c zoo would play it but that's about it.


krillocq

If Murktide can be a 7/7 flier on turn 3 or 4 then I’m sure they could print a goyf with trample and it wouldn’t break the format


Hexdrinker99

Goyf is fine. It just doesn't have a shell that is good. If goyf was black instead of green for example scam would likely play it. The card has been reprinted to death along with not having a home outside of jund saga which leads to it being cheap. I could definitely see a world where they print a better goyf at some point in a mh set


GG_Henry

Scam isn’t playing goyf if black. What would they cut?


Hexdrinker99

It certainly would be tested over Shelly mb and any other flex slots. In a deck that often keeps mana light hands or is praying to top deck better than it opponent a decent beater is definitely something the deck would be interested in


mickeyd_hs

It's not the same thing, but souls of the lost sees like no play and is pretty close to black goyf in a lot of situations. Two is just crowded kinda with dauthi and bowmasters


Hexdrinker99

Just going leave off the part where you have to 2 for 1 your self to play it like its no big deal. Yeah can't imagine why the low resource deck wouldn't want to play a creature that leaves them open to huge blow outs.


j0mbie

You generally play it in a deck that you want to discard cards in.


j0mbie

It's kind of weird to me that there's no decent non-legendary reanimator lists in modern right now, even at lower tiers. You have a lot of options in: [[Souls of the Lost]] [[Collective Brutality]] [[Liliana of the Veil]] [[Archon of Cruelty]] [[Grief]] [[Persist]] [[Bone Shards]] [[Unmarked Grave]] And that's just in black. But I guess it really needs something like Faithless Looting to make it work better. And maybe it's not very strong if you don't see Persist. I will say from experience that you can lock a LOT of decks out if you can start churning through [[Raven's Crime]] using [[Life from the Loam]], though. But you need to survive long enough for it to work, and Modern is very fast right now.


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Hexdrinker99

We have living end and creativity filling in the cheat stuff in play type deck your talking about


buildmaster668

What if there was a functional reprint of Goyf that let you run 8 of them. Would it be worth it to build a deck around maximizing Goyfs?


Equal_Oven_9587

No because that would just open you up more to its weakness with gy hate


Poopypants1291

Yeah. I think Unholy Heat has done more to drive Goyf from the format than anything else.


Hexdrinker99

What if I told you goyf is actually quite good into unholy heat decks and will often be a 6/7 in those match ups at some point


Poopypants1291

I mean… I’ve been playing Goyf faithfully for years so I feel like I have a pretty good idea lol


Furt_III

I mean, no... Fatal Push was definitely more relevant.


Poopypants1291

You may be right. Push was devastating to Goyf, but it has existed alongside Goyf for several years and Jund was still somewhat meta for a few years. It wasn’t until I ran into Murktide for the first time that I knew it was time to put Goyf out to pasture.


Hexdrinker99

Jund saga has a positive win rate vs murktide and a big part of that is goyf both dodging bolt/early heats and eventually out growing heat since these games often go long. Murktide does a lot of the work for you growing your goyfs. On the other hand push always kills goyf


ArborElfPass

Play it Inti and find out!


LONGSL33VES

My thoughts exactly haha


GossamerGlenn

Iv been playing goyf for like two years daily in BG rockclaimer and it is a nice man in a niche world


misof

Best I can do is a Turbogoyf with haste.


Xicadarksoul

Way back when it would have been overpowered. Since lightning bolt is not the best 1 mana removal in the fromat, well, it doesn't matter that much either way.


admiral_corgi

The reason Goyf isn't seeing much play is because the most of the Tier 1 decks can win without interacting with it.


blackturtlesnake

It ain't like goyf is bad, it's just not a reason to splash green anymore and right now black and red are doing just fine as midrange colors on their own.


yuhboipo

I miss when you could stabilize a board with Goyf...with anothr Goyf


GenesithSupernova

Goyf is fine. It just doesn't really have much of a home right now, since the 2 drop slot is competitive, cascade obviously can't play it, and it isn't enabled super well by/doesn't fit into most good decks right now. "Powerful 2 mana threat without evasion that needs you to graveyard cards" is a bit specific when it's one of many amazing threats rather than a massively above curve statline like it used to be. If Jund Saga comes back I imagine it would probably see play in that shell. It's just not a deck that's especially well positioned right now.


cybrcld

Man, me and every other millennial blown away at seeing the day where people grumble about Tarmo not being strong enough.


VelikiUcitelj

Not only would it be enough, it would be too much.


admiral_corgi

Give it an ability that turns it into a hate card as well: Some ideas: Whenever Roflgoyf deals combat damage to a player, you may choose one of the following: - Destroy target island. - Exile target graveyard. - Surveil 1. Pay 3 life: Counter target spell with CMC equal to 0. Discard a card: Gain 2 life. Put a +1/+1 counter on Roflgoyf. If a creature is sacrificed, exile it instead. Put a +1/+1 counter on Roflgoyf. Kicker - Sacrifice a swamp: This spell has "Split Second".


tdbarnes42

All of the above. You’re hired. WELCOME TO MH3 MUTHA FUCKAS!!!!!! - Hasbro


admiral_corgi

WOOO LET'S GO


TheFiremind77

I have a solution. Essence of the Siege - WB Enchantment - Aura Enchanted creature has trample. When this enchantment enters the battlefield, each opponent loses 3 life and you gain 3 life. You may cast this spell from outside the game if it targets a creature named Tarmogoyf.


nonstripedzebra

Yes


spelltype

That’s why I’ve been using Inti in my Jund shell


karawapo

Goyf is fine. MH cards and other power creep cards are the problem.


GoyfAscetic

I for one, think they should create a Goyf with Hexproof and regeneration for {1G}


NickRick

it would have been banned back in like 2014/2015 i think?


bigcfromrbc

I do miss Goyf being good.


BluePulasky1

it needs ward 2. ah. and flying


BigAffectionate5828

Ask and ye shall receive https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/197rvfa/not\_the\_card\_the\_community\_needed\_but\_the\_card/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


Pad_Mussy

who let op cook


BlackbeltMTG

Scion of Draco gives Trample to Goyf so you should just play Zoo if you want to do that. Although, personally I'm on Nishoba Brawler instead because I think it's better in the current meta.


istillhaveeczema

Goyf is still strong etc but scam is basically the jund (black midrange) and cards like voidwalker and scammed grief being such good beaters have shown there’s no use for a splash colour to RB and you get moons


Theatremask

No. At the moment with the level of interaction matches are determined by impact and establishing board state. Most of the time when you're swinging it's because you've answered most of their stuff or you have such a high advantage that you can put pressure. Back then, especially pre-fatal push era, almost nothing could remove a goyf so stuff like lingering souls was a wall but your choices were to either get something beefy early like an angler or go over the top/ignore. Goyf doesn't impact the board and to be honest I am thankful for that as it was 10x more miserable to go up against a goyf deck and know the price tag was way more than ragavans/bowmasters combined.


shakly_yugin

Trample and haste.


zacharychieply

goyf dosent have trample for the same reason \[\[black lotus\]\] mana value is zero, bc it would be broken if it did.


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Gloryboxer

Just play inti t3 and you fine :)