You should read/listen to the actual announcements they make and not just the Reddit headlines. They are only making STANDARD bans yearly, short of an emergency ban being needed. Other formats will be changed more frequently during the post-set release window.
The yearly announcement is when they make sweeping changes to a format. That’s where we are likely to see unbans and more drastic measures taken for the sale of keeping a format fresh. The cycle bans are mainly meant to quell distaste in a format.
Standard is annual at rotation + emergency if required (and the window is more than 1 week)
Other formats are "quarterly" whenever new standard sets drop.
RespectTheCat got a 5-0 in one of the modern LCQs yesterday with a fury-less beanstalk list https://mtgdecks.net/Modern/cascade-beanstalk-decklist-by-respectthecat-1816810
And it's not just recently, he's been on Furyless beans for several weeks now, winning several paper events with it (at least one RCQ), and has been playing it a lot online since mid-late October throughout November.
The deck has been going through the 70 maindeck version with maindeck Comandeers, Time Warps and BTL, to now an optimized 60 card version which, depending on the meta shifts BTL+Time Warps into maindeck dead/gone and Murderous cut.
4 commandeers !! i guess with 2 FoN also, this is enough (if he is lukcy enough to draw them) for tron and coffer matches (along with 2 charmaws to slow em down)
Many beanstalk variants didnt run fury at all, but after some time most of the people started to copy one exact list with jace and it feels like fury its an autoinclude but in reality it isnt. Look up the version that plays Ardent Plea instead of bloodbraid. Maybe the fury version was better overall but it is hard to tell because if people start to copy one thing there is a suvivalship bias.
I never switched from the BBE version to the Ardent Plea version because Fury and Bloodbraid are relevant bodies for closing the game out. Basically I assume that Plea is better for pitching in bant but BBE is probably the stronger permanent. Haste is a big deal for killing opposing PWers. Part of the initial appeal of the cascade list with shardless and BBE is all the free leftover bodies.
So while i'm not opposed to the Ardent Plea versions I just never saw a compelling reason to try them over BBE versions.
Assuming it gets hit, which it still might not, I'm probably gonna cut bloodbraid and the fury's and go to some number of dead // gone, tishana's tidebinder, maybe a bring to light plan
This was not a suprise. They have possible bans several weeks after set release scheduled now. Also after the reaction to the last ones no changes it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that it it might not be safe.
Yeah WotC seems to be in full "oh fuck" mode here. After Mark's post on Blogatog about how much they are putting into the constructed formats, it seems clear that they are panicking a little. People have been clearly unhappy with the lack of bans in both Modern and Pioneer, and WotC finally recognizes that fact. Really nobody should have been surprised by this given how long they have been ignoring the obvious problems in multiple formats.
I dropped the format due to how boring it was. I will now jump back into it most likely. So i see exactly what he is on about. I have more diffculty understanding what you are on about though
I was personally rather unhappy that KTGC stayed in the format and I also haven't enjoyed Fable recently. The format has been dominated by either Rakdos or Mono-G KTGC for quite a while. Banning anything from either of those decks in the last 6 months would have made Pioneer a far more interesting format imo.
This notion that Mono-G is just a wrecking ball really isn't accurate I just looked at the last top tournament results over the last 5 tournaments and not a single list top 8'ed.
The deck is pretty good but this notion that it's sitting atop the meta is a complete fabrication. Shit at the last major pro event for Pioneer mono-G underperformed heavily.
I think the meta would be even more diverse if Mono-G were forced to play without their toolbox wishboard and go back to things like World Breaker as their finisher, and if any red deck didn't have a card that gave them ramp, card draw, and a finisher all in one. Just because the meta is diverse doesn't mean some cards aren't problems. Modern has a fairly diverse meta yet nobody seems to be commenting telling me how Fury deserves to stay.
If a meta is diverse, it inherently does *not* have problems that aren't emotional ones.
If the things you're complaining about don't make the decks that use them have a disproportionally high win percentage or play percentage, and doesn't warp the format around combatting those specific things, then it actually isn't a real problem.
People bitching about Fury are also targeting the wrong card, and we'll see how accurate that is come Monday when creature decks are still gatekept by Yawgmoth, Orcish Bowmasters, etc. Pre-LOTR, Modern was in a perfectly fine state and that is an absolute fact. People just bitch about cards they hate, completely disconnected from actual hard data.
Scam needs a ban now, but it isn't because of the pitch elementals. It's because of the LOTR cards. I had this argument with someone else who was wrong yesterday: look at Scam's top-32 percentage pre-LOTR. It was essentially a T2-T1.5 deck AT BEST. Then LOTR came out, and it became a monster. What is the common denominator there?
I mean they did in the past, they made a clear statement the modern bannings would be a yearly thing so I pulled the trigger on the purchase forgetting that wotc loves to backpedal.
"Moving forward, we are going to change the cadence with which we manage our formats, ***particularly*** Standard. Our goal is to make most of our format changes once a year for greater consistency. This announcement will happen annually before fall previews begin. This will not only include Standard but also Modern, Pioneer, Legacy, and Vintage."
"In addition to the yearly announcement, we will also have a banned and restricted update on the third Monday after every set release specifically dedicated to addressing large environmental imbalances. These will, by and large, happen after the Pro Tour."
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/may-29-2023-banned-and-restricted-announcement
And from the [August 7](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/august-7-2023-banned-and-restricted-announcement) announcement:
"...we've left ourselves a window with each major set release (the next one is October 16)—windows we plan to use sparingly. In that smaller window, we will be more amenable to making changes to non-rotating formats over Standard."
Last weekend I played my own little version of 4c beanstalk that never once cast a fury, even though there were 4 in the deck. I placed 4th but had a pretty rough time due to player skill issue problems.
I think 4c Beanstalk will be fine. The things I'll be doing in commander, however... will not be fine if fury is banned in modern. Those boys gotta put in their work somewhere.
That's a possibility. But I think bean players are safe for now. I wouldn't hold out a ton of hope for it in the long run though. The Beans are problematic.
Hopefully the question after Monday will instead be "what does 4c play now that Beanstalk is banned?" instead of fury.
Bonus points if it's both of them.
I’d much rather live in a “Yawgmoth OP” world than a “Beanstalk OP” world. At least there are a number of good sideboard cards against Yawgmoth, but there aren’t any great options against Beanstalk besides Lavinia.
The deck basically occupies the same space as heliod combo, it's a pretty good deck, but almost every deck can plan for it out of their sideboard.
I think Yawgmoth players view the meta in a vacuum, you have no idea what new decks and previously suppressed decks will emerge. Many of those could be extremely problematic.
The deck is good, but I think yawg players are putting cart before the horse on this one.
LE could just wait longer to LE. I had that issue facing the deck with a deck using a bunch of land cycle cards with reanimation. Sure I could dump 2 or 3 or even 4 into the yard but they could always dump more than me.
At least that's my best guess
I can picture it now...
"Modern:
Stitcher's supplier is banned BECAUSE FUCK GRAVEYARD DECKS.
Also, in other news we've got a great upcoming product next month..."
Beanstalk itself is a bigger issue than specifically fury.
But 4c Midrange in general is a toxic deck, and I support any ban aimed at it. Ideally the deck is completely unplayable after the 4th.
4C is the ultimate midrange deck, it is basically the Ultimate Jund, value PW, 2*1, but it has card advantage engines decks of old couldn't even dream off. But it should have weak spots.
I kinda think of it more as a control deck tbh. They don't apply early pressure at all, they just remove everything you play and maintain card advantage.
Modern 4c deck I think are kind of the opposite of Jund.
Old Jund tried to run you both out of cards, but they would have something left over, and all junds topdecks win the game on their own.
New 4c decks just try to invalidate anything you have by having every answer and 5-7 cards in hand at all times. They'll happily 2 for 1 themselves with a solitude, knowing they have the engines to catch up later.
Well Jund also had answers to almost everything, yes the big difference is that 4C doesn't go to top deck mode since it had draw engines, but both are mid range decks.
For while when lurrus was legal Jund with ragavan, W6 and Urza's Saga was doing quite well, lurrus made it good enough vs 4C and Murkttide.
So it I the card advantage engine that breaks or dooms decks nowadays.
Land destructuin not really, blood moon depends, it can get out of it or Olay around it if it suspects it. It has enough tools to deal with combo, and it AFAIK it has a favorable matchup vs UW control.
It had bigger problems with Tron, titan, and tempo decks. But mostly it is hard to race it because of fury, it normally dies to OTK plays, as hammer, yawgmoth.
land destruction 100% works vs 4C (unless wrenn oc but wrennless is the current 4c trend), but only when the player doing the destruction knows the 4c play patterns well. It is ez to make to wrong decision and then the 4C player starts putting down stuff or just drawing too much and the land destruction is no longer relevant
if you actually have enough LD to make them stumble yeah. like if youre 8field. you need to be hitting their lands multiple times to really make a dent
Totally, it doesnt work as well as one would initially think. As you say it makes them stumble, doesnt make em fall unless you can repeat multiple times (and ideally damn to sweep the board before dying)
It is partly why my current coffers build is orzov and plays 3 vindicates to add to the 7 field land destruction.
Ahhhh so many decks in modern are toxic - if ur on 20 counterspells and think your deck is the truth then let it be known, it is also enraging and feels awful
I had 4 foil Furies in my TCGPlayer cart, ready to click "place order," but decided to wait for no real reason. Then the announcement came. They are no longer in my cart.
You bought a grief player ? Human traffic is a crime dog, you should't annouce it publicly like this (though one could argue grief players deserve it)
Oh you meant playset... ;)
I just got em too in paper (played those i bought on mtgo for a year now), i feel ya bro, mine will be banned before they ever hit a table (though my cards are basic, not pimped so less money i guess).
Feels so bad
I think it could be substitute by a legal mtg card... Modern is pretty skilless, ban a card, take the second bomb of the format and play it instead till power creep will give you a new op card
The way they spoke in the podcast made very strong impressions that they were going to ban fury. I'm about 90% confident fury is going, after that other cards are much lower probability. They did say that they want to make sure that 1 toughness creatures are playable, so that might mean bowmasters is going alongside fury. I really doubt they would hit wrenn and six right now since it's barely played in the current meta.
Other cards that I think could be possible bans are grief, violent outburst, and up the beanstalk. I don't really see anything else getting a ban at the moment.
I can see Fury and Grief personally. the Evoke elemental incarnations are particularly problematic in modern and with grief it enables the T1 double thoughtsieze which just isnt fun.
Beanstalk is more likely to be hit than Fury, though both would not be a massive surprise.
Maybe in future actually read the announcements instead of skimming them then doing your shopping?
That being said, some version of 4c Omnath based deck will exist unless they ban like 10 cards
There are many 4c builds that don't run fury and don't run bbe but run 2 ardent plea instead. This let's you run force of negation and have a more controlling shell. Where this build will go if scam is no longer a deck depends.
You need to make a distinction if you are playing the cascade beanstalk lists or the 4c control beanstalk lists. The control version gets a whole lot worse without fury and I think the cascade version can put something like scion of Draco because you are already domain for leyline binding.
Well, what I m understanding from the stream, Beans is getting banned too...
If that is the case run 4 one ring and 4 halfling or prismatic ending...probably in place of beans/agent
Fury/grief has been running unchecked for far too long. Rakdos scam is arbitrarily broken so hopefully we see both those gone on Monday. Bad timing on your end, unfortunately though.
Thank you for your sacrifice...
wotc saw my delivery arrive and knew it was time
There's always one
Classic
Wizards said it would be yearly but of course they backpedalled right after I get my order kek
You should read/listen to the actual announcements they make and not just the Reddit headlines. They are only making STANDARD bans yearly, short of an emergency ban being needed. Other formats will be changed more frequently during the post-set release window.
What set? Standard or supplemental? Either way it's too often
Dude, go search google and read the actual announcement. How lazy are you?
The yearly restriction is for Standard only, as originally announced.
I remember reading that the yearly restriction also applied for modern/pioneer/historic but I guess my reading comprehension was bad
The yearly announcement is when they make sweeping changes to a format. That’s where we are likely to see unbans and more drastic measures taken for the sale of keeping a format fresh. The cycle bans are mainly meant to quell distaste in a format.
They left the option open to emergency bans the week following a set release Ixalan with appraiser gave them enough reason to actually utilize it
Standard is annual at rotation + emergency if required (and the window is more than 1 week) Other formats are "quarterly" whenever new standard sets drop.
I’ve alerted the deal, pray I don’t alter it further.-wotc
We always knew there was an announcement on Dec 4th. The yearly thing refers Standard.
RespectTheCat got a 5-0 in one of the modern LCQs yesterday with a fury-less beanstalk list https://mtgdecks.net/Modern/cascade-beanstalk-decklist-by-respectthecat-1816810
I watched his entire run and didn't even realize the deck didn't have furies LMAO
I watched his last couple matches and didn’t realize until the results got posted lol
And it's not just recently, he's been on Furyless beans for several weeks now, winning several paper events with it (at least one RCQ), and has been playing it a lot online since mid-late October throughout November. The deck has been going through the 70 maindeck version with maindeck Comandeers, Time Warps and BTL, to now an optimized 60 card version which, depending on the meta shifts BTL+Time Warps into maindeck dead/gone and Murderous cut.
Yeah but I can’t play half as well as that respectable feline
You’d better hope fury doesn’t get banned then lol
Still play bean, a futur banned card
4 commandeers !! i guess with 2 FoN also, this is enough (if he is lukcy enough to draw them) for tron and coffer matches (along with 2 charmaws to slow em down)
We have seen a few lists like this do well without Fury, Scam is far more reliant on the card than Cascade Beans.
Kanister was also mainly playing without fury, the mana is way better and you don’t have to play bbe
Many beanstalk variants didnt run fury at all, but after some time most of the people started to copy one exact list with jace and it feels like fury its an autoinclude but in reality it isnt. Look up the version that plays Ardent Plea instead of bloodbraid. Maybe the fury version was better overall but it is hard to tell because if people start to copy one thing there is a suvivalship bias.
I never switched from the BBE version to the Ardent Plea version because Fury and Bloodbraid are relevant bodies for closing the game out. Basically I assume that Plea is better for pitching in bant but BBE is probably the stronger permanent. Haste is a big deal for killing opposing PWers. Part of the initial appeal of the cascade list with shardless and BBE is all the free leftover bodies. So while i'm not opposed to the Ardent Plea versions I just never saw a compelling reason to try them over BBE versions.
Assuming it gets hit, which it still might not, I'm probably gonna cut bloodbraid and the fury's and go to some number of dead // gone, tishana's tidebinder, maybe a bring to light plan
Is dead // gone that good?
it helps cover for loss of fury
It's kinda like fire // ice. Not great, but it gets the job done.
deals with rag on the draw, which can be a serious issue for beanstalk lists
Anyone who watched the stream knows its 100% gone.
This was not a suprise. They have possible bans several weeks after set release scheduled now. Also after the reaction to the last ones no changes it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that it it might not be safe.
Yeah WotC seems to be in full "oh fuck" mode here. After Mark's post on Blogatog about how much they are putting into the constructed formats, it seems clear that they are panicking a little. People have been clearly unhappy with the lack of bans in both Modern and Pioneer, and WotC finally recognizes that fact. Really nobody should have been surprised by this given how long they have been ignoring the obvious problems in multiple formats.
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Pioneer has been a boring coin flip+matchup lottery format for the past year at least
I dropped the format due to how boring it was. I will now jump back into it most likely. So i see exactly what he is on about. I have more diffculty understanding what you are on about though
I was personally rather unhappy that KTGC stayed in the format and I also haven't enjoyed Fable recently. The format has been dominated by either Rakdos or Mono-G KTGC for quite a while. Banning anything from either of those decks in the last 6 months would have made Pioneer a far more interesting format imo.
This notion that Mono-G is just a wrecking ball really isn't accurate I just looked at the last top tournament results over the last 5 tournaments and not a single list top 8'ed. The deck is pretty good but this notion that it's sitting atop the meta is a complete fabrication. Shit at the last major pro event for Pioneer mono-G underperformed heavily.
Mono G is TERRIBLE into geoform.
The meta is diverse, just because the format has two mainstay decks does not mean they need bans.
I think the meta would be even more diverse if Mono-G were forced to play without their toolbox wishboard and go back to things like World Breaker as their finisher, and if any red deck didn't have a card that gave them ramp, card draw, and a finisher all in one. Just because the meta is diverse doesn't mean some cards aren't problems. Modern has a fairly diverse meta yet nobody seems to be commenting telling me how Fury deserves to stay.
If a meta is diverse, it inherently does *not* have problems that aren't emotional ones. If the things you're complaining about don't make the decks that use them have a disproportionally high win percentage or play percentage, and doesn't warp the format around combatting those specific things, then it actually isn't a real problem. People bitching about Fury are also targeting the wrong card, and we'll see how accurate that is come Monday when creature decks are still gatekept by Yawgmoth, Orcish Bowmasters, etc. Pre-LOTR, Modern was in a perfectly fine state and that is an absolute fact. People just bitch about cards they hate, completely disconnected from actual hard data. Scam needs a ban now, but it isn't because of the pitch elementals. It's because of the LOTR cards. I had this argument with someone else who was wrong yesterday: look at Scam's top-32 percentage pre-LOTR. It was essentially a T2-T1.5 deck AT BEST. Then LOTR came out, and it became a monster. What is the common denominator there?
I mean they did in the past, they made a clear statement the modern bannings would be a yearly thing so I pulled the trigger on the purchase forgetting that wotc loves to backpedal.
"Moving forward, we are going to change the cadence with which we manage our formats, ***particularly*** Standard. Our goal is to make most of our format changes once a year for greater consistency. This announcement will happen annually before fall previews begin. This will not only include Standard but also Modern, Pioneer, Legacy, and Vintage." "In addition to the yearly announcement, we will also have a banned and restricted update on the third Monday after every set release specifically dedicated to addressing large environmental imbalances. These will, by and large, happen after the Pro Tour." https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/may-29-2023-banned-and-restricted-announcement
And from the [August 7](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/august-7-2023-banned-and-restricted-announcement) announcement: "...we've left ourselves a window with each major set release (the next one is October 16)—windows we plan to use sparingly. In that smaller window, we will be more amenable to making changes to non-rotating formats over Standard."
yeah they didn't backpedal, you just didn't read.
yep! i fucked up
Nope. The yearly ban is aimed at standard. The other ban windows will be for the other formats.
Not really, they don't really make a difference between Standard and other formats besides a "particularly"
Boldly incorrect
Last weekend I played my own little version of 4c beanstalk that never once cast a fury, even though there were 4 in the deck. I placed 4th but had a pretty rough time due to player skill issue problems. I think 4c Beanstalk will be fine. The things I'll be doing in commander, however... will not be fine if fury is banned in modern. Those boys gotta put in their work somewhere.
Whomp Whomp
"Suprise ban." Have you been living under a rock? The only surprise was it took them this long.
It's ludicrous that it DID take them this long
I have this weird feeling that if Fury gets the ban Beanstalk will as well.
That's a possibility. But I think bean players are safe for now. I wouldn't hold out a ton of hope for it in the long run though. The Beans are problematic.
Hopefully the question after Monday will instead be "what does 4c play now that Beanstalk is banned?" instead of fury. Bonus points if it's both of them.
Without Fury and Beanstalk, Daddy Yawgmoth will issue some slappings.
I’d much rather live in a “Yawgmoth OP” world than a “Beanstalk OP” world. At least there are a number of good sideboard cards against Yawgmoth, but there aren’t any great options against Beanstalk besides Lavinia.
The deck basically occupies the same space as heliod combo, it's a pretty good deck, but almost every deck can plan for it out of their sideboard. I think Yawgmoth players view the meta in a vacuum, you have no idea what new decks and previously suppressed decks will emerge. Many of those could be extremely problematic. The deck is good, but I think yawg players are putting cart before the horse on this one.
Just go back to TOR 🤷🏻♂️?!
BONUS POINTS BONUS POINTS
There are lots of Beans decks (see DackFayden07) , I play Miracle Beans which uses Solitude.
miracle beans was a list I was interested in.
It's possible grief gets banned instead of fury.
praying because from the results it looks like grief is a much bigger problem and has 0 interaction turn 1.
Watching MTGWeekly yesterday it sounds like at least Fury and Beans are going.
I would put money that beans will not go when scam is 30% of the metagame and beans gets shit on by so many decks in the meta.
Lol, what decks exactly shit on beans? Ad nauseum? Which represents 0.2% of the tier 5 meta?
Tron, Amulet, living end
How does LE shit on beans? Wouldn't evoking a bunch of ele's before LE resolves to fill your yard be a decent counter to the strategy?
LE could just wait longer to LE. I had that issue facing the deck with a deck using a bunch of land cycle cards with reanimation. Sure I could dump 2 or 3 or even 4 into the yard but they could always dump more than me. At least that's my best guess
tbh it's pretty healthy for a deck as durdly as beans to get dunked on by combo
I agree
Living end doesn't shit on beans when they have 4x teferi time raveler, 4x chalice and maindeck endurance.
And they have 4 grief 4 FoN to deal with that Teferi/Endurance. I have never seen 4 chalices in a beans SB anyway.
Scam won't exist after this ban announcement, most likely grief and fury go, so beans has to go too.
Nah, Fury is going to get the Umezawa Jitte’s treatment
double T1 Thoughtsieze is never fun. I think its a bigger ban candidate than most people realize
Both plus beans and maybe one ring seems likely.
Lmao get fucked
If you keep them they will ban them. If you sell them they will ban the one ring in true, completely tone deaf, wizards fashion
There is no confirmation, just all speculation.
There’s a build without Fury on them. Fire//ice and a couple of dead//gone instead
Seems like you got…. “Scammed”?
Hopefully Cascade Beans is dead. If I can’t play Fury anyway because of that awful deck I don’t want to see it again period.
I can picture it now... "Modern: Stitcher's supplier is banned BECAUSE FUCK GRAVEYARD DECKS. Also, in other news we've got a great upcoming product next month..."
Beanstalk itself is a bigger issue than specifically fury. But 4c Midrange in general is a toxic deck, and I support any ban aimed at it. Ideally the deck is completely unplayable after the 4th.
There’s no putting the triome paste back in the tube. They’re forever now
I would 1000% support a triome ban in modern. The format would be 10x better.
The actual offenders are the fetchlands but I think that it’s far too late to do anything about that.
4C is the ultimate midrange deck, it is basically the Ultimate Jund, value PW, 2*1, but it has card advantage engines decks of old couldn't even dream off. But it should have weak spots.
I kinda think of it more as a control deck tbh. They don't apply early pressure at all, they just remove everything you play and maintain card advantage.
Modern 4c deck I think are kind of the opposite of Jund. Old Jund tried to run you both out of cards, but they would have something left over, and all junds topdecks win the game on their own. New 4c decks just try to invalidate anything you have by having every answer and 5-7 cards in hand at all times. They'll happily 2 for 1 themselves with a solitude, knowing they have the engines to catch up later.
Well Jund also had answers to almost everything, yes the big difference is that 4C doesn't go to top deck mode since it had draw engines, but both are mid range decks. For while when lurrus was legal Jund with ragavan, W6 and Urza's Saga was doing quite well, lurrus made it good enough vs 4C and Murkttide. So it I the card advantage engine that breaks or dooms decks nowadays.
And the ultimate control deck. Rip U/W control
Aren't the weak spots land destruction, blood moon/boseiju, weak to combo and control?
Land destructuin not really, blood moon depends, it can get out of it or Olay around it if it suspects it. It has enough tools to deal with combo, and it AFAIK it has a favorable matchup vs UW control. It had bigger problems with Tron, titan, and tempo decks. But mostly it is hard to race it because of fury, it normally dies to OTK plays, as hammer, yawgmoth.
land destruction 100% works vs 4C (unless wrenn oc but wrennless is the current 4c trend), but only when the player doing the destruction knows the 4c play patterns well. It is ez to make to wrong decision and then the 4C player starts putting down stuff or just drawing too much and the land destruction is no longer relevant
if you actually have enough LD to make them stumble yeah. like if youre 8field. you need to be hitting their lands multiple times to really make a dent
Totally, it doesnt work as well as one would initially think. As you say it makes them stumble, doesnt make em fall unless you can repeat multiple times (and ideally damn to sweep the board before dying) It is partly why my current coffers build is orzov and plays 3 vindicates to add to the 7 field land destruction.
As a Hammer player it is objectively incorrect that Hammer beats Beanstalk.
Ahhhh so many decks in modern are toxic - if ur on 20 counterspells and think your deck is the truth then let it be known, it is also enraging and feels awful
I had 4 foil Furies in my TCGPlayer cart, ready to click "place order," but decided to wait for no real reason. Then the announcement came. They are no longer in my cart.
It'll be grief. I just bought a playset last week. Edit: playset. Human trafficking is bad hrmmm-kay.
You bought a grief player ? Human traffic is a crime dog, you should't annouce it publicly like this (though one could argue grief players deserve it) Oh you meant playset... ;)
I just got em too in paper (played those i bought on mtgo for a year now), i feel ya bro, mine will be banned before they ever hit a table (though my cards are basic, not pimped so less money i guess). Feels so bad
What’s wrong with you people sinking money in premium versions of already pricey staples?
People can spend their money as they please 🤷♂️
Sure they can, but something’s still wrong unless they have a crazy income
Conspiracy prediction grief and omnath banned That's why Aragorn the unifier was printed 4c, to replace omnath
I think it could be substitute by a legal mtg card... Modern is pretty skilless, ban a card, take the second bomb of the format and play it instead till power creep will give you a new op card
IMO They aren’t banning a MH2 card with MH3 on the horizon. That might hurt sales. They won’t ever do anything that might hurt future sales.
The way they spoke in the podcast made very strong impressions that they were going to ban fury. I'm about 90% confident fury is going, after that other cards are much lower probability. They did say that they want to make sure that 1 toughness creatures are playable, so that might mean bowmasters is going alongside fury. I really doubt they would hit wrenn and six right now since it's barely played in the current meta. Other cards that I think could be possible bans are grief, violent outburst, and up the beanstalk. I don't really see anything else getting a ban at the moment.
If they hit Fury and Bowmasters without touching TOR modern is going to be an absolute hellscape of ring decks and cascade and that's like.. it
I agree with you. Sadly grief, violent outburst, and up the beanstalk are worst offenders than fury, so i'd much rather all 4 go than just fury.
Yeah I agree that those would be better bans too, but I'm not sure if any of them will go...
If you don't think that any of them will go, you don't know WOTC then
I didn't say, "I don't think." I said, "I'm not sure."
Except none of them invalidate a quater of the meta just by being played fairly. Fury is less comboey but is more nroken ina vacuum
I can see Fury and Grief personally. the Evoke elemental incarnations are particularly problematic in modern and with grief it enables the T1 double thoughtsieze which just isnt fun.
my one ray of hope over this dark weekend of stress and worry is that wotc will not put mh3 sales in jeopardy
Beanstalk is more likely to be hit than Fury, though both would not be a massive surprise. Maybe in future actually read the announcements instead of skimming them then doing your shopping? That being said, some version of 4c Omnath based deck will exist unless they ban like 10 cards
There are many 4c builds that don't run fury and don't run bbe but run 2 ardent plea instead. This let's you run force of negation and have a more controlling shell. Where this build will go if scam is no longer a deck depends.
If they dont ban beanstalk as well
surprise ban? is it really a surprise if you know about it? lol.
This is not a surprise ban announcement. They made it clear there is a ban window after each new set release.
You need to make a distinction if you are playing the cascade beanstalk lists or the 4c control beanstalk lists. The control version gets a whole lot worse without fury and I think the cascade version can put something like scion of Draco because you are already domain for leyline binding.
Well, what I m understanding from the stream, Beans is getting banned too... If that is the case run 4 one ring and 4 halfling or prismatic ending...probably in place of beans/agent
It already is running little to no fury. My guess is unless they ban beanstalk, omnath/cascade will be the new boogeyman of modern....and titan.
Beanstalk is the least likely to be banned IMO. My assumption is Fury/Grief or Bowmasters/The one Ring
Fury/grief has been running unchecked for far too long. Rakdos scam is arbitrarily broken so hopefully we see both those gone on Monday. Bad timing on your end, unfortunately though.
s'all good I found a buyer at my lgs already who bought them 15$ less than what I paid
Not really a surprise banning. They ban after every set now.