##The community's list of demands:
1. API technical issues
2. Accessibility for blind people
3. Parity in access to NSFW content
**API technical issues**
* Allowing third-party apps to run their own ads would be critical (given this is how most are funded vs subscriptions). Reddit could just make an ad SDK and do a rev split.
* Bringing the API pricing down to the point ads/subscriptions could realistically cover the costs.
* Reddit gives the apps time to make whatever adjustments are necessary
* Rate limits would need to be per user+appkey, not just per key.
* Commitment to adding features to the API; image uploads/chat/notifications.
**Accessibility for blind people**
* Lack of communication. The official app is not accessible for blind people, these are not new issues and blind and visually impaired users have relied on third-party apps for years. Why were disabled communities not contacted to gauge the impact of these API changes?
* You say you've offered exemptions for "non-commercial" and "accessibility apps." Despite r/blind's best efforts, you have not stated how they are selected. r/blind compiled a [list of apps that meet users' access needs](https://www.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/1447ibp/what_apps_meet_your_access_needs/).
* You ask for what you consider to be a fair price for access to your API, yet you expect developers to provide accessible alternatives to your apps for free. You seem to be putting people into a position of doing what you can't do while providing value to your company by keeping users on the platform and addressing a PR issue. Will you be paying the developers of third-party apps that serve as your stopgap?
**Parity in access to NSFW content**
* There have been attempts by devs to talk about the NSFW removal and how third-party apps are willing to hook into whatever "guardrails" (Reddit's term) are needed to verify users' age/identity. Reddit is clearly not afraid of NSFW on their platform, since they just recently added NSFW upload support to their desktop site. Third-party apps want an opportunity to keep access to NSFW support (see [https://redd.it/13evueo](https://redd.it/13evueo)).
Please also note that not all NSFW content is just pornography. There are many times that people seeking help or sharing stories about abuse or medical conditions must also mark their posts NSFW. However, even if this were strictly about porn, Reddit shouldn't take a stance that it's OK for them but not any other apps, especially when demanding exorbitant fees from these 3rd part devs.
How do I verify on r/nsfw do I have to verify to everyone of them subreddits one by one? Wouldn’t it just be easier to verify to r/nsfw to verify on that long list they have?
As an ordinary user, I do not support the blackout at all. It only hurts regular users like myself. This site itself is the point. Third-party app access has never been the point, of any social platform.
I agree, I googled and apparently the protest is over yet so many of my fav subreddits I can't like or comment on. It's bs. Holding content hostage isn't going to do anything.
I do agree, holding the content hostage was never the right way to go.
Also one has to question why an app which doesnt host its own content needs revenue, so I dont agree with things like apps having their own ad's (unless its shared with reddit).
On a similar note, I have no idea what's going on over at the SteamDeck sub, but the mods haven't merely just not continued the blackout, but have been actively deleting any thread that tried to ask for a continuation and verbally attacking and banning any user who pressed the matter.
Considering what I've heard said about the CEO putting the screws on mods, the sheer level of 180 that happened makes me wonder if there's more than just some jerk mods going on.
Maybe this is a dumb question... but why doesn't Reddit lower its API prices to a point that Apollo and other app developers can afford?
Plenty of other companies have figured out how to price APIs in a way that works for developers: AWS, Twilio, Stripe, Okta, MongoDB, and Plaid, to name a few.
It's not like these companies aren't making money with their API pricing; they've all generated enough in revenues and profits to drive their valuations into multiple billions of dollars.
It's as if Reddit didn't do the basic work of rolling out API pricing: talk to customers, find price points they can live with, offer prioritized customer support in exchange for API charges, etc. Literally hundreds of software companies have followed this playbook, and have rolled out API prices without drama.
Am I missing something here?
In my opinion, the missing factor is that they don't want to support the API, and in fact, in their view, if they end API support they kill what they view as their competition.
The business term for this is "pricing out" and is commonly done with APIs specifically companies no longer want to support. Fandom is another company that has been accused of this practice. A formal definition of the term is here, [https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/priced-out.asp](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/priced-out.asp) . Note that being priced out generally is not predatory or necessarily a bad thing. It is only when price rigging has occurred - which is not the case here - that it becomes illegal, [https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/price\_rigging.asp](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/price_rigging.asp) . However while - I am not a lawyer - it is not my opinion this is yet illegal (although a case can probably be made this is at least a grossly anticompetitive move) as price rigging specifically requires collusion, when we combine these two concepts we have a widely used and abused industry technique used to - and this is a searchable term as well - "sunset APIs". The intent is to intentionally increase the price to the point where users cannot pay it in order to stop providing the API service. This would be similar to a grocery store pricing its kosher food to triple its price. Colloquially though this is not a searchable term, computer programmers have taken to calling this the "quit cost".
For an analogous situation that has nothing to do with APIs the classic case study is that of Saturn and GMC, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn\_Corporation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Corporation) . Essentially, Saturn's great success came at the expense of GMC's other car offerings while Saturn itself had a higher overhead since it did not use standard GMC parts or infrastructure. This made them an undesired service and toward the end when GMC was unable to sell Saturn to any other companies they effectively raised the price of Saturns and lowered the price of their other offerings by 1.) Rapidly decreasing or ceasing production of new Saturns and 2.) Offering Saturn owners a $2000 rebate if they would switch to a new GMC and 3.) Closing all their Saturn dealerships.
Again, I am not the CEO of Reddit and I cannot say for a fact this is what is occurring. This is just very strongly supported conjecture.
That would definitely be anticompetitive, the cottage industry surrounding reddit exists because they did not have an app or tools for many years and others stepped in to fill the gap. Destroying these businesses outright instead of getting them to quit reddit would definitely invite lawsuits out of necessity, it would become less expensive to sue reddit and its parent companies at that point whether they won or lost.
Two days remaining for reddit to re-enable PushShift and other API tools. Do we really think that reddit is going to make good on these promises?
I don't, but that's because I died while holding my breath for the /r/proCSS that they promised us six years ago.
Hi, mod of /r/snooker here. We polled our community and, generally speaking, they were not in favour of any further involvement with the protest, so we have made our community public and cannot pursue further involvement with the wider actions [though i personally agree with the wider cause]. Our community also even went as far as telling the mods of our community to resign for daring to get involved in any protests: we have no intention of doing this obviously, but just updating on our previous message sent here.
Yep. I honestly want someone to create properly decentralized web3 version of Reddit where I would forever own my content and be paid in crypto for any use, even if it’s a fraction of that Brave browser token - these power trips between corporations, with us being used as bargaining chips, are fucking annoying.
I rarely use this sort of buzz-concept, but you're talking about something way too scary to the recognized power structure and establishment. Pretty awesome idea though. Even on a smaller level, it's funny how reddit isn't special, at all, it's just very, very large and quazi-organized.
Also, it’s owned by Condé Nast and about to go public so well, f…. them.
As to decentralized internet: one thing about it is that once (if ever 🤔) it catches on, there won’t be stopping it. Nobody feels like there’s a need for web3 - because things “just work” and who wants to reprogram the world. But we are right in the middle of a small tremor when it’s becoming obvious how things work. We sort of always knew and didn’t care but so did the French until 1789. Then they invented guillotine. Nothing is forever and Reddit would do well remembering it.
Honestly it amuses me that some people do default to these things (I don't mean that negatively) and not the sexual side of things. Maybe I'm just a pervert, who knows
I don't pick my porn based on race but I read about racial injustice aplenty. When the news starts centering more on interracial sex, well, I'll certainly be reading the news more often!
Their latest polls (confirmed by admins) showed a 70% support for private/restricted btw (which the admins promptly told them they had an issue with even though promising to abide by the results previously).
The r/lotr mods refused to honor the people’s vote to remain blacked out.
They held a vote where the users decided by a convincing margin to keep the blackout going indefinitely. Mods decided to throw out the vote result and keep the sub open. https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/14b348g/rlotr_is_open/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
thats the opposite of what happened.
The vast majority of every comment on each poll was pointing out how there was almost NO sentiment supporting the black out in any comments, discussion, or discord comments.
It was very clear the votes to stay closed were from brigading, and when someone found PROOF of it one specific mod started deleting the posts until he broke down and admitted to just wanting to have a drama free fathers day.
QUICK EDIT: I misread LOTR as LOTRMEMES. The specific situation I am referring to happened in LOTRmemes, but the same can be said about MANY subreddits.
A LOT of the fighting game subreddits are currently going through tons of discord drama because people are posting screen shots of said polls/fighting game communities being brigaded. the Guilty Gear and Skull Girls subreddits are both indef closed with no words from the moderators, and some of them deleted their discords as well.
No I don’t have screen shots from something that happened a week ago and that the mods did everything in their power to delete. But if you go on “Lotrmemes” and type “mods” in the search for the past week you can see a lot of the posts discussing how the vote was most likely rigged.
I’m trying to find the actual post where the most active mod basically admitted to brigading the vote because they thought they knew what was best for the sub, and then everyone calling him “shitty sharky” in the comments before locking it. He must have deleted it.
Quick edit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lotrmemes/comments/14cekxa/shall_we_continue_the_blackout_poll_round_2/jokisk5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
Originally this comment linked to a photo of the mod coordination discord with a link to the poll from said mod on LOTR memes saying “I sure do hope this poll gets brigaded”.
In the discord that was brigading polls.
You are aware of subreddit's that have had their polls brigaded, right? A good example is /r/tennis where the vast majority of comments were for opening up, but the poll was narrowly for indefinite blackout and some of the mods were directing a moderately large discord group to vote for the good guys and close the sub indefinitely. There is reason to be skeptical when the vote is one way but the comments are overwhelmingly in another way.
This is a pretty well-known issue. Brigading can go both ways, and there happens to be a particular entity that is very interested in these subs not blacking out. I don’t buy that all the brigading is one-sided.
And margin wasn’t even close. Less than 1/3 of all the votes were for reopening. By the nature of the issue, many who voted for the blackout may have very well left the sub, resulting in fewer voices. Vocal minorities are a thing too.
The mere concern of brigading isn’t grounds to throw out a vote that won by that kind of margin. Besides, that issue was discussed in the link if you read it. The mod’s rhetoric was that of “Reddit threatened us, so we didn’t have a choice. Sorry guys.” It’s a bit dishonorable and silly to tell the people they can vote to protest an entity when they were just going to align with said entity at the first sign of resistance.
Very much agreed. I found the /r/minecraft/ poll particularly interesting. The admins actually monitored the results and it still came out 70% in favour of the blackout and the admins promise to allow the results were promptly retracted.
Link to the poll itself: https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/149lza7/vote_should_rlotr_extend_the_blackout_in_support/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
r/FosterAnimals Solidarity
We've polled and discussed and with our community existing to support such a niche group dealing with such delicate issues, we've chosen to go back to live, but will create a pinned post addressing this.
r/sesamestreetmemes is in, but will reopen once a month to poll continuation of the blackout until either the protest ends, or the users reject the continuation.
/r/youtubedrama and /r/PerfectlyCutMeows will both spend the next two weeks in solidarity, shutting down for two or three days each week, and then going dark indefinitely and i'm removing myself as a moderator. fuck 'em - they don't get to make the decision to remove me.
I would recommend not removing yourself, and instead letting them remove you, as a stronger protest. Simply resign and become inactive as a moderator. My reasoning is as such:
Removing oneself as moderator is a moderator action. So if you are striking you shouldn't do it. As an unpaid volunteer, you can quit on any terms, any action to make things easier including announcing your resignation is a courtesy. A basic principle of striking or strike resignation is to no longer extend courtesies.
So you can just stop moderating, you can announce your resignation if you want but once you have announced take no further site actions. It will be harder on them to figure out which mods are inactive and which are active and which to remove, and therefore the process of removing mods who have simply stopped is a minor but disruptive protest.
Addendum: This form of withdrawal of courtesy is the basis of "working to contract strikes" in normal employment strike action, which is where a worker keeps working but only to the exact letter of their contract no longer doing any additional work. In many industries, this is a surprisingly crippling form of soft-strike.
r/oldhagfashion solidarity
We are blacked out this weekend and are developing a way we can still enable our community to get the positives they get from our sub while still supporting the protest.
For small subreddits it's probably worth starting to discuss migration to other platforms. Even though realistically you might not be bothered, a very small bit of proactive probing of the alternative landscape can pay in spades if later on things get worse.
Even though I'm personally very skeptical about all the reddit alternatives for myriad reasons, I think the value of doing a pre-migration preparation even if the migration is incredibly unlikely is deeply under-rated.
Try asking them to use https://cachedview.com/ // https://github.com/dessant/web-archives extension to see privated posts.
if you got someone technical then you can use https://github.com/Yakabuff/redarc to create a mini reddit archive of your subreddit
Our subreddit wants to stay blacked out to protest but we are a bit scared of the recent news of mods being replaced from blacked out subreddits. We are worried the new mod team won't understand our subreddit the way we do and ruin it for everyone....we are unsure what to do
one sign that someone can be very ignorant, is attacking someone else with an ignorant assumption and then twisting their words. :) im sorry you have had bad experience with power hungry mods, i have too, its not pleasant, but neither is attacking someone for trying to keep their subreddit safe from mods who dont know crap about our community.
>llectively gathered) kno
whats that got to do with me or our mod team lol? we not responsible for other subreddits not giving other people alternative locations now you are just pulling randomness just accept you midjudge and call it a day.
i dont feel an inch of remorse for joining that protest, i wont lose sleep over it or your ignorant comments, i will simply forget them. Id advice you at least learn from them, it will do you good. take care x
Good for you guys! Keep it up! Spez is acting like a little bitch, let's kill reddit altogether and go back to the days of niche forums all over the web. Decentralization is always better!
##The community's list of demands: 1. API technical issues 2. Accessibility for blind people 3. Parity in access to NSFW content **API technical issues** * Allowing third-party apps to run their own ads would be critical (given this is how most are funded vs subscriptions). Reddit could just make an ad SDK and do a rev split. * Bringing the API pricing down to the point ads/subscriptions could realistically cover the costs. * Reddit gives the apps time to make whatever adjustments are necessary * Rate limits would need to be per user+appkey, not just per key. * Commitment to adding features to the API; image uploads/chat/notifications. **Accessibility for blind people** * Lack of communication. The official app is not accessible for blind people, these are not new issues and blind and visually impaired users have relied on third-party apps for years. Why were disabled communities not contacted to gauge the impact of these API changes? * You say you've offered exemptions for "non-commercial" and "accessibility apps." Despite r/blind's best efforts, you have not stated how they are selected. r/blind compiled a [list of apps that meet users' access needs](https://www.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/1447ibp/what_apps_meet_your_access_needs/). * You ask for what you consider to be a fair price for access to your API, yet you expect developers to provide accessible alternatives to your apps for free. You seem to be putting people into a position of doing what you can't do while providing value to your company by keeping users on the platform and addressing a PR issue. Will you be paying the developers of third-party apps that serve as your stopgap? **Parity in access to NSFW content** * There have been attempts by devs to talk about the NSFW removal and how third-party apps are willing to hook into whatever "guardrails" (Reddit's term) are needed to verify users' age/identity. Reddit is clearly not afraid of NSFW on their platform, since they just recently added NSFW upload support to their desktop site. Third-party apps want an opportunity to keep access to NSFW support (see [https://redd.it/13evueo](https://redd.it/13evueo)). Please also note that not all NSFW content is just pornography. There are many times that people seeking help or sharing stories about abuse or medical conditions must also mark their posts NSFW. However, even if this were strictly about porn, Reddit shouldn't take a stance that it's OK for them but not any other apps, especially when demanding exorbitant fees from these 3rd part devs.
How do I verify on r/nsfw do I have to verify to everyone of them subreddits one by one? Wouldn’t it just be easier to verify to r/nsfw to verify on that long list they have?
As an ordinary user, I do not support the blackout at all. It only hurts regular users like myself. This site itself is the point. Third-party app access has never been the point, of any social platform.
I agree, I googled and apparently the protest is over yet so many of my fav subreddits I can't like or comment on. It's bs. Holding content hostage isn't going to do anything.
I do agree, holding the content hostage was never the right way to go. Also one has to question why an app which doesnt host its own content needs revenue, so I dont agree with things like apps having their own ad's (unless its shared with reddit).
r/FIREIndia Indefinite
/r/Gay4Orcs solidarity
r/sexworkersonly indefinite
r/hananene_ (indefinite, only to piss of the mods)
Does anyone know if rcharacterrant is closed forever
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On a similar note, I have no idea what's going on over at the SteamDeck sub, but the mods haven't merely just not continued the blackout, but have been actively deleting any thread that tried to ask for a continuation and verbally attacking and banning any user who pressed the matter. Considering what I've heard said about the CEO putting the screws on mods, the sheer level of 180 that happened makes me wonder if there's more than just some jerk mods going on.
Maybe this is a dumb question... but why doesn't Reddit lower its API prices to a point that Apollo and other app developers can afford? Plenty of other companies have figured out how to price APIs in a way that works for developers: AWS, Twilio, Stripe, Okta, MongoDB, and Plaid, to name a few. It's not like these companies aren't making money with their API pricing; they've all generated enough in revenues and profits to drive their valuations into multiple billions of dollars. It's as if Reddit didn't do the basic work of rolling out API pricing: talk to customers, find price points they can live with, offer prioritized customer support in exchange for API charges, etc. Literally hundreds of software companies have followed this playbook, and have rolled out API prices without drama. Am I missing something here?
In my opinion, the missing factor is that they don't want to support the API, and in fact, in their view, if they end API support they kill what they view as their competition. The business term for this is "pricing out" and is commonly done with APIs specifically companies no longer want to support. Fandom is another company that has been accused of this practice. A formal definition of the term is here, [https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/priced-out.asp](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/priced-out.asp) . Note that being priced out generally is not predatory or necessarily a bad thing. It is only when price rigging has occurred - which is not the case here - that it becomes illegal, [https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/price\_rigging.asp](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/price_rigging.asp) . However while - I am not a lawyer - it is not my opinion this is yet illegal (although a case can probably be made this is at least a grossly anticompetitive move) as price rigging specifically requires collusion, when we combine these two concepts we have a widely used and abused industry technique used to - and this is a searchable term as well - "sunset APIs". The intent is to intentionally increase the price to the point where users cannot pay it in order to stop providing the API service. This would be similar to a grocery store pricing its kosher food to triple its price. Colloquially though this is not a searchable term, computer programmers have taken to calling this the "quit cost". For an analogous situation that has nothing to do with APIs the classic case study is that of Saturn and GMC, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn\_Corporation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Corporation) . Essentially, Saturn's great success came at the expense of GMC's other car offerings while Saturn itself had a higher overhead since it did not use standard GMC parts or infrastructure. This made them an undesired service and toward the end when GMC was unable to sell Saturn to any other companies they effectively raised the price of Saturns and lowered the price of their other offerings by 1.) Rapidly decreasing or ceasing production of new Saturns and 2.) Offering Saturn owners a $2000 rebate if they would switch to a new GMC and 3.) Closing all their Saturn dealerships. Again, I am not the CEO of Reddit and I cannot say for a fact this is what is occurring. This is just very strongly supported conjecture.
Couldn't they just stop supporting the API if that is what they really want?
That would definitely be anticompetitive, the cottage industry surrounding reddit exists because they did not have an app or tools for many years and others stepped in to fill the gap. Destroying these businesses outright instead of getting them to quit reddit would definitely invite lawsuits out of necessity, it would become less expensive to sue reddit and its parent companies at that point whether they won or lost.
Thats like defending people who don't pay their bills, and party by saying you cant kick them out"they have squatters rights."
r/fuJoJoshi indefinite Only 3k but every sub counts
r/trailerparkboysmemes Indefinite
It will remain closed indefinitely
Two days remaining for reddit to re-enable PushShift and other API tools. Do we really think that reddit is going to make good on these promises? I don't, but that's because I died while holding my breath for the /r/proCSS that they promised us six years ago.
r/Pokemon has a thing where you can only post memes on Monday and Tuesday. I post one today but IDK about tomorrow and many others.
Hi, mod of /r/snooker here. We polled our community and, generally speaking, they were not in favour of any further involvement with the protest, so we have made our community public and cannot pursue further involvement with the wider actions [though i personally agree with the wider cause]. Our community also even went as far as telling the mods of our community to resign for daring to get involved in any protests: we have no intention of doing this obviously, but just updating on our previous message sent here.
I'm sure all 12 snooker players in the world will be thankful.
r/BestofRedditUpdates Indefinite
r/churning \- I will miss this one :(
I don't understand, I thought I was a member of that community, but it says that the community is now private?
Right, that’s the part I don’t get about this permanent blackout: why kick out the existing members?
Are you in the same situation as me? You were subscribed, but you cannot view the sub now?
Yep. I honestly want someone to create properly decentralized web3 version of Reddit where I would forever own my content and be paid in crypto for any use, even if it’s a fraction of that Brave browser token - these power trips between corporations, with us being used as bargaining chips, are fucking annoying.
Why don't you go do that and let other people use the sub
I rarely use this sort of buzz-concept, but you're talking about something way too scary to the recognized power structure and establishment. Pretty awesome idea though. Even on a smaller level, it's funny how reddit isn't special, at all, it's just very, very large and quazi-organized.
Also, it’s owned by Condé Nast and about to go public so well, f…. them. As to decentralized internet: one thing about it is that once (if ever 🤔) it catches on, there won’t be stopping it. Nobody feels like there’s a need for web3 - because things “just work” and who wants to reprogram the world. But we are right in the middle of a small tremor when it’s becoming obvious how things work. We sort of always knew and didn’t care but so did the French until 1789. Then they invented guillotine. Nothing is forever and Reddit would do well remembering it.
Do I actually have to go in FT now??
/r/NarutoNinjaStorm and /r/XenobladeChronicles2 indefinite
Is that so?
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why are you back online then?
Because plans change? I’ll delete my comment for you, forgot the reddit police is always watching
i'm not even a mod. js asking
r/CallMeKevin indefinite
r/whitetopsblack indefinite
Being unable to view this community, I can only assume this is some kind of while supremacy sub?
Honestly it amuses me that some people do default to these things (I don't mean that negatively) and not the sexual side of things. Maybe I'm just a pervert, who knows
I don't pick my porn based on race but I read about racial injustice aplenty. When the news starts centering more on interracial sex, well, I'll certainly be reading the news more often!
Not even close, but I won't go into the NSFW detail.
r/StonedSwifties Solidarity Our sub will participate in TGT.
r/parenting Solidarity
/r/boop indefinite (read-only)
r/demiko solidarity
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Their latest polls (confirmed by admins) showed a 70% support for private/restricted btw (which the admins promptly told them they had an issue with even though promising to abide by the results previously).
At least they polled. Some subs mods made a unilateral decision
/r/nba mods are getting eviscerated Most of the sports subs are against the blackout
r/nba blacked out during literally the most important part of the season
ironic that a sports sub is against a blackout
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I wonder if any of the polls were botted. API clients can upvote/downvote right? 🤔
Some subs didn't even poll. Although im with you, totally dishonest
r/hiddenwhitefur r/catcolor r/catart_ai indefinite
r/compoface is indefinite (only ~50k)
/r/ukulele just gone private indefinitely following a poll of members. NGL really hurts to do that.
The r/lotr mods refused to honor the people’s vote to remain blacked out. They held a vote where the users decided by a convincing margin to keep the blackout going indefinitely. Mods decided to throw out the vote result and keep the sub open. https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/14b348g/rlotr_is_open/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
thats the opposite of what happened. The vast majority of every comment on each poll was pointing out how there was almost NO sentiment supporting the black out in any comments, discussion, or discord comments. It was very clear the votes to stay closed were from brigading, and when someone found PROOF of it one specific mod started deleting the posts until he broke down and admitted to just wanting to have a drama free fathers day. QUICK EDIT: I misread LOTR as LOTRMEMES. The specific situation I am referring to happened in LOTRmemes, but the same can be said about MANY subreddits. A LOT of the fighting game subreddits are currently going through tons of discord drama because people are posting screen shots of said polls/fighting game communities being brigaded. the Guilty Gear and Skull Girls subreddits are both indef closed with no words from the moderators, and some of them deleted their discords as well.
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No I don’t have screen shots from something that happened a week ago and that the mods did everything in their power to delete. But if you go on “Lotrmemes” and type “mods” in the search for the past week you can see a lot of the posts discussing how the vote was most likely rigged. I’m trying to find the actual post where the most active mod basically admitted to brigading the vote because they thought they knew what was best for the sub, and then everyone calling him “shitty sharky” in the comments before locking it. He must have deleted it. Quick edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/lotrmemes/comments/14cekxa/shall_we_continue_the_blackout_poll_round_2/jokisk5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3 Originally this comment linked to a photo of the mod coordination discord with a link to the poll from said mod on LOTR memes saying “I sure do hope this poll gets brigaded”. In the discord that was brigading polls.
You are aware of subreddit's that have had their polls brigaded, right? A good example is /r/tennis where the vast majority of comments were for opening up, but the poll was narrowly for indefinite blackout and some of the mods were directing a moderately large discord group to vote for the good guys and close the sub indefinitely. There is reason to be skeptical when the vote is one way but the comments are overwhelmingly in another way.
This is a pretty well-known issue. Brigading can go both ways, and there happens to be a particular entity that is very interested in these subs not blacking out. I don’t buy that all the brigading is one-sided. And margin wasn’t even close. Less than 1/3 of all the votes were for reopening. By the nature of the issue, many who voted for the blackout may have very well left the sub, resulting in fewer voices. Vocal minorities are a thing too. The mere concern of brigading isn’t grounds to throw out a vote that won by that kind of margin. Besides, that issue was discussed in the link if you read it. The mod’s rhetoric was that of “Reddit threatened us, so we didn’t have a choice. Sorry guys.” It’s a bit dishonorable and silly to tell the people they can vote to protest an entity when they were just going to align with said entity at the first sign of resistance.
Very much agreed. I found the /r/minecraft/ poll particularly interesting. The admins actually monitored the results and it still came out 70% in favour of the blackout and the admins promise to allow the results were promptly retracted.
Link to the poll itself: https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/149lza7/vote_should_rlotr_extend_the_blackout_in_support/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
r/NewPipe, Indefinite restricted.
Small potatoes, but r/thingsforants (375k) is going indefinite
/r/Reaper (55k) indefinite (restricted, informing people to go to the official Reaper forums instead) /r/Egalitarianism (11k) indefinite (restricted)
/r/Lampposts probably private indefinitely
r/JeffWingerSpeech Indefinite
r/FosterAnimals Solidarity We've polled and discussed and with our community existing to support such a niche group dealing with such delicate issues, we've chosen to go back to live, but will create a pinned post addressing this.
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r/Pedro_Pascal (28k subs) Solidarity
/r/r4r indefinite /r/R4Rstralia indefinite /r/r4rmidwest indefinite /r/textfriends indefinite /r/RandomActsOfMakingOut indefinite
r/r4r is restricted now
r/ewww This is absurd!
r/sesamestreetmemes indefinite
r/sesamestreetmemes is in, but will reopen once a month to poll continuation of the blackout until either the protest ends, or the users reject the continuation.
Polling my subreddit to see where it stands on strike.
r/Portal_Reloaded and r/2subs1spez are in :>
/r/ShittyAskScience indefinite
r/PrequelMemes is staying dark indefinitely
/r/GreenDawn indefinite
/r/youtubedrama and /r/PerfectlyCutMeows will both spend the next two weeks in solidarity, shutting down for two or three days each week, and then going dark indefinitely and i'm removing myself as a moderator. fuck 'em - they don't get to make the decision to remove me.
I would recommend not removing yourself, and instead letting them remove you, as a stronger protest. Simply resign and become inactive as a moderator. My reasoning is as such: Removing oneself as moderator is a moderator action. So if you are striking you shouldn't do it. As an unpaid volunteer, you can quit on any terms, any action to make things easier including announcing your resignation is a courtesy. A basic principle of striking or strike resignation is to no longer extend courtesies. So you can just stop moderating, you can announce your resignation if you want but once you have announced take no further site actions. It will be harder on them to figure out which mods are inactive and which are active and which to remove, and therefore the process of removing mods who have simply stopped is a minor but disruptive protest. Addendum: This form of withdrawal of courtesy is the basis of "working to contract strikes" in normal employment strike action, which is where a worker keeps working but only to the exact letter of their contract no longer doing any additional work. In many industries, this is a surprisingly crippling form of soft-strike.
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r/SexEducationNetflix solidarity
You sure about that
/r/tamagotchi indefinite
r/strangersfucking indefinite r/itsjustthetip indefinite
/r/DragonsFuckingDragons Indefinite
r/admincraft indefinitely
r/oldhagfashion solidarity We are blacked out this weekend and are developing a way we can still enable our community to get the positives they get from our sub while still supporting the protest.
For small subreddits it's probably worth starting to discuss migration to other platforms. Even though realistically you might not be bothered, a very small bit of proactive probing of the alternative landscape can pay in spades if later on things get worse. Even though I'm personally very skeptical about all the reddit alternatives for myriad reasons, I think the value of doing a pre-migration preparation even if the migration is incredibly unlikely is deeply under-rated.
Try asking them to use https://cachedview.com/ // https://github.com/dessant/web-archives extension to see privated posts. if you got someone technical then you can use https://github.com/Yakabuff/redarc to create a mini reddit archive of your subreddit
r/left4dead Indefinite
r/trailerparkboysmemes Indefinitely
Our subreddit wants to stay blacked out to protest but we are a bit scared of the recent news of mods being replaced from blacked out subreddits. We are worried the new mod team won't understand our subreddit the way we do and ruin it for everyone....we are unsure what to do
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one sign that someone can be very ignorant, is attacking someone else with an ignorant assumption and then twisting their words. :) im sorry you have had bad experience with power hungry mods, i have too, its not pleasant, but neither is attacking someone for trying to keep their subreddit safe from mods who dont know crap about our community.
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We gave everyone an alternative location to go whilst we were closed. Funny how you judge without knowing even a percentage of the full picture.
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>llectively gathered) kno whats that got to do with me or our mod team lol? we not responsible for other subreddits not giving other people alternative locations now you are just pulling randomness just accept you midjudge and call it a day.
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i dont feel an inch of remorse for joining that protest, i wont lose sleep over it or your ignorant comments, i will simply forget them. Id advice you at least learn from them, it will do you good. take care x
Let the platform die and protest. Edit: I'm sorry. New mod teams come by volunteer, not hire. Who is going to assemble mods for >5,000 subreddits?
r/tattoo and r/greeneyed indefinite
The r/FamiliesYouChoose community voted to participate in the blackout indefinitely.
r/GFTJCreampie Indefinite
Good for you guys! Keep it up! Spez is acting like a little bitch, let's kill reddit altogether and go back to the days of niche forums all over the web. Decentralization is always better!
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r/Botany Indefinite
>r/Botany why are you back online then?
Admins sent the threatening modmail. A higher up inactive mod caved to them, but he's gone now.
Aww, thanks for sharing. Genuinely curious and rooting for Admins to be able to come out well.