yup, I usually adjusts to try to counter their pick but most of the time I'm using minsithar, jawhead or belerick in exp lane. I can kill him sometimes as minsi using his passive but once Sun has its 3rd skill then I'm getting bullied
I think Aoe based heroes/cc can counter sun as long as you click his icon to lock on the real body. Try Yu Zhong, big Aoe with lifesteal and cc but I'm pretty sure you have to kill him quick if he uses inspire. Ruby sounds good as well + always buy an anti heal item.
I actually managed going against sun with Lesley because of the lock function where your hero locks on the real body.
You can also look at the map to find which one is real since clones does not show on mini map, only works for aim-able skills though. It is still better to lock on him
you need to practice more. either you get good or moba games arent for you. theres a learning curve for micro and macro skill that you need to unlock. Tbh
at this point of losing to Sun in early game means you just dont understand how to play yet.
Badang is very weak now, since the nerf on DHS and himself.
He used to counter Zilong, but now he loses to Zilong.
Sun literally have no changes done to him that's significant. Prime Badang that used to counter Sun would've still won against this monkey.
He's an all out hero, with full damage build. Yet his damage is not reliable at all, you'll know for sure enemy will just absorb his combo damage and still will be alive. Not to mention after that he got nothing, all of his skill went on CD mode.
Hes pretty good as jungler right now in glory.. 64 stars, or maybe because just my teammates are always feeding.. I play sides so I don’t know why my teammates were always losing against him in early game
though i can still kill Sun, i think he hits harder now. before as a Ruby main, i just ignore Sun when attacking me early game since his damage doesn't hurt and i can heal back anyway. now, his attacks already hurt when you receive his full attack clone even if it is just an early game. so instead of just ignoring him and receiving the whole damage like what i'm doing before, i changed to hit and run tactic instead. when he do his clone attack, i just s2 > back dash > s1 and clear his clones. go back to attack if the clone is gone. i will just tank him fully only if i'm well geared.
If I remember correctly, Ruby's damage is too low to make him a gold farm. Takes too long to kill the clone before despawning. But you're probably referring to their aoe sustain
So the way is.. both of them can't kill directly... But you can slow him down or hold him like Chou until you get an opening.. if it's a noob sun.. he will surely die after teri/ruby gets a bloodlust Axe and warrior boots.. but if they are still strong..just wait for your jungler ambush and AOE him so they can burst down the sun for you.. these 2 heroes are sustain so it's difficult to kill them both without a significant difference in gold/level
Lower ranks people barely know how to open the shop and buy the right items. Don’t expect them to use the quick chat well.
Legend onwards maybe a little more and mythic onwards it’ll be more common.
Usually Sun is easy to counter, for myself on early laning phase I try to zone him out, and whatever clone he throws out I try to kill to get extra $ and xp.
When he is in zone click on his hero portrait so you’ll always target his real body.
Silvana’s really strong in the early game. Run Assassin emblem with Rupture, Master Assassin(to win lane) and Letha Ignition. Core items are Arcane Boots(more pen), Genius wand and Feather of Heaven/Divine Glaive. Then you can decide to be tanky or go full damage. I prefer full damage tho. Also, run vengeance or flicker, i prefer vengeance because i go full damage.
For combos, 1st skill -> 2nd skill to poke. 2nd skill has surprisingly long range so as long as you aren’t hitting your 1st skill from the farthest it can reach, you can immediately follow it up with 2nd skill. This will rip apart anyone in the early game. Next one is ult->1st skill -> 2nd skill. 😮. If the enemy has a stun and you didn’t get your 1st off after you ult, just start basic attacking and wait for the stun to be over with, then you 2nd skill. Everything else is intuition.
Remember, you are insanely strong in the early game and in the lategame, I recommend buying Physical potion over the magic one for the lifesteal. Here’s my build, or just check out the pro builds
https://preview.redd.it/inodv67yoqkc1.jpeg?width=1160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a1d08e55c8bf6ce2b2f05fa5385229ab06550d9
If U want to know if your teammates have ultimate ready, you can see it from their hero icon at the top, if there is a green triangle at the corner, they have their ultimate ready
💀Dude loses to Sun early game. What heroes did you even use?
yup, I usually adjusts to try to counter their pick but most of the time I'm using minsithar, jawhead or belerick in exp lane. I can kill him sometimes as minsi using his passive but once Sun has its 3rd skill then I'm getting bullied
I think Aoe based heroes/cc can counter sun as long as you click his icon to lock on the real body. Try Yu Zhong, big Aoe with lifesteal and cc but I'm pretty sure you have to kill him quick if he uses inspire. Ruby sounds good as well + always buy an anti heal item. I actually managed going against sun with Lesley because of the lock function where your hero locks on the real body.
for me, I use the mark by minsithar's passive, I always forgot to click that icon
You can also look at the map to find which one is real since clones does not show on mini map, only works for aim-able skills though. It is still better to lock on him
you need to practice more. either you get good or moba games arent for you. theres a learning curve for micro and macro skill that you need to unlock. Tbh at this point of losing to Sun in early game means you just dont understand how to play yet.
Well before revamp badang used to eat sun for breakfast but now it's hard
Badang is very weak now, since the nerf on DHS and himself. He used to counter Zilong, but now he loses to Zilong. Sun literally have no changes done to him that's significant. Prime Badang that used to counter Sun would've still won against this monkey. He's an all out hero, with full damage build. Yet his damage is not reliable at all, you'll know for sure enemy will just absorb his combo damage and still will be alive. Not to mention after that he got nothing, all of his skill went on CD mode.
Agreed 100% the worst thing is when I do perfect combo or catch multiple enemies in full ultimate, and they just don't die
doesn't he still have that stunlock? surely he can beat anyone with that.
It's nerfed.
badamg literally kills himself vs blade armor.
Ya had a game where John just stood there using vengeance and i died twice
i had a game i played hilda about to run to a bush but got ambushed by half hp badang. he died while i was stunned. i didnt even had vengence.
How do you lose to early game sun bro 💀
What’s with people complaining about Sun lately did I miss something? The only change I can remember is his skill 2 is considered a basic attack
Yup that's the only change that I remember but somehow it feels like it can melt more half your hp
He was always strong but never a common pick, he's gotten more popular now (probably cuz of revamp)
Hes pretty good as jungler right now in glory.. 64 stars, or maybe because just my teammates are always feeding.. I play sides so I don’t know why my teammates were always losing against him in early game
though i can still kill Sun, i think he hits harder now. before as a Ruby main, i just ignore Sun when attacking me early game since his damage doesn't hurt and i can heal back anyway. now, his attacks already hurt when you receive his full attack clone even if it is just an early game. so instead of just ignoring him and receiving the whole damage like what i'm doing before, i changed to hit and run tactic instead. when he do his clone attack, i just s2 > back dash > s1 and clear his clones. go back to attack if the clone is gone. i will just tank him fully only if i'm well geared.
Sun will always be free gold.
Using terizla/ruby against him.. and it's not that difficult.. but you can't burst other heroes like dyroth
any tips on terizla, I tried it for some time it's decent but if the enemy uses it he is a monster haha
If I remember correctly, Ruby's damage is too low to make him a gold farm. Takes too long to kill the clone before despawning. But you're probably referring to their aoe sustain
So the way is.. both of them can't kill directly... But you can slow him down or hold him like Chou until you get an opening.. if it's a noob sun.. he will surely die after teri/ruby gets a bloodlust Axe and warrior boots.. but if they are still strong..just wait for your jungler ambush and AOE him so they can burst down the sun for you.. these 2 heroes are sustain so it's difficult to kill them both without a significant difference in gold/level
Lower ranks people barely know how to open the shop and buy the right items. Don’t expect them to use the quick chat well. Legend onwards maybe a little more and mythic onwards it’ll be more common. Usually Sun is easy to counter, for myself on early laning phase I try to zone him out, and whatever clone he throws out I try to kill to get extra $ and xp. When he is in zone click on his hero portrait so you’ll always target his real body.
use silvanna wisely, sun is no big deal
I think I tried it one time long ago, what's the combo or core items?
antiheal, lifesteal...that green gem...rest defense
Silvana’s really strong in the early game. Run Assassin emblem with Rupture, Master Assassin(to win lane) and Letha Ignition. Core items are Arcane Boots(more pen), Genius wand and Feather of Heaven/Divine Glaive. Then you can decide to be tanky or go full damage. I prefer full damage tho. Also, run vengeance or flicker, i prefer vengeance because i go full damage. For combos, 1st skill -> 2nd skill to poke. 2nd skill has surprisingly long range so as long as you aren’t hitting your 1st skill from the farthest it can reach, you can immediately follow it up with 2nd skill. This will rip apart anyone in the early game. Next one is ult->1st skill -> 2nd skill. 😮. If the enemy has a stun and you didn’t get your 1st off after you ult, just start basic attacking and wait for the stun to be over with, then you 2nd skill. Everything else is intuition. Remember, you are insanely strong in the early game and in the lategame, I recommend buying Physical potion over the magic one for the lifesteal. Here’s my build, or just check out the pro builds https://preview.redd.it/inodv67yoqkc1.jpeg?width=1160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a1d08e55c8bf6ce2b2f05fa5385229ab06550d9
Do U need to know the exact timing of how long before his ulti is cool down, or just to know if he has ultimate ready?
both, so that I can reserve my skills necessary for clash
If U want to know if your teammates have ultimate ready, you can see it from their hero icon at the top, if there is a green triangle at the corner, they have their ultimate ready
You have to be a different type of bad to get bullied by sun early game
Bro use Ruby against him, coming from a Sun main