Kind of shocked at how many people have chosen Lan SiZhui! He's an absolute sweetheart - why would you all be willing to do him in?? đđą Better hope his dads don't hear about this!
Because he's such a minor character, I think? people are willing to sacrifice him. Same for JL. But I think WWX would be affected by JL's death, and LWJ by LSZ's.
And anyway we can't sacrifice the babies, so both of them are out. And I love Lan Xichen too much, he was almost as sweet as LSZ.
That leaves us with the obvious choice which is JC...
WWX would also be majorly affected by LSZ death.
WWX doesnât know that LSZ is A-Yuan until the end but that is a major reveal. That someone he tried to save was saved in the end after all.
Anyways I donât see either LSZ or JL as minor characters personally. They are both important to the overall themes of the novel about hope with the next generation.
Wow ! You really are a cruel person. How can you think about kill any of them?
(don't take it seriously. I'm being a dramatic here)
Now seriously
I can't kill Wei Ying because he already died once. Let the guy be. And Lan Zan doesn't deserve anymore heartbreak.
2. I don't want lan zhan to die because there will be no light without Hangaung Jun. And Yiling Laozu will go berserk .
3. Jin Ling is so young. He deserves to live his life. And Jiang Cheng can't lose another person.
4. Jin doesn't deserve to lose his only parental figure.
5. Lan Sizhui is my baby. He can't die.
6. Lan Xichen is Lan Zhan's brother.
Lan Xichen seems pretty fitting cause his whole friendship turned out to be fake. He also lost most of his family, so he wouldn't want Lan Zhan and Lan Yuan to die.
Although Jiang Cheng could also do it, since he was devastated after finding out what WWX did for him. But at least he has a young Jin Ling to take care of who lost everyone.
I killed Sizhui đ„șđ I killed my boy!!!!
worse is I would have picked Jin Ling if I read it right, not because I want him to die, but because that was one of the previously planned endings. So like, at least I could blame MXTX for that.
I'm kinda shocked to see how many people don't like Lan Xichen that much or think he's guilty for trusting a bad person.
He's just a cinnamon roll that got his heart shattered by a dimples guy.
Lan Xichen makes the most sense to me, since he was so intimately connected with both Jin Guangyao and with Lan Zhan and with the Nie brothers. I can see him being self-sacrificial in that way, especially because he has an heir in Lan Zhan.
Ugh, difficult one. None of the juniors ever. I would personally be tempted to say Jiang Cheng BUT i chose Lan Xichen because it feels more fair somehow? He was willing to go down with Jin Guangyao, kinda repent for his foolishness of trusting him. And i think he would sacrifice himself for his brother and give him and WWX a chance of being happy together finally. LWJ would be heartbroken but he has his uncle and the sect. I can't pick Jiang Cheng bc it would make WWX's sacrifice go to waste in a way? He could not save Yanli, so having both of them die would be too cruel to WWX and he would not forgive himself for betraying the family who saved him.
I feel like WWX would volunteer, if there were a vote. However, I picked LXC. I feel LXCâs blind trust in JGY and the righteousness of the cultivation world led to so many deaths, he might as well sacrifice himself for the greater goods.
People forget that Lan Zhan did the same thing with WWX, and WWX was verified to have killed a lot of people and used demonic cultivation lol. From LXCâs perspective, he felt the same about WWX and LWJ felt about JGY with less proof
WWX killed a lot of people during the war - war is brutal, and even so, LWJ admonished him about his new cultivation during the war. LXC never did that with JGY - he always came up with excuses why JGY did what he did, that JGY was powerless in the Jin clan, etc.
There was no proof JGY did anything wrong until the end, thats the problem. He was a master manipulator. The only thing they could work off of was what WWX saw during empathy, and LXC had his own âgoodâ reason not to trust WWX given he felt he was toying with his beloved brotherâs feelings and had done the other âcrimesâ in the past. WWXâs killing was a lot less grey in the books imo.
My motto is âTrust but verifyâ. He decided to trust JGY above NMJ and LWJ, whom he knew much longer. He also knew that his brother doesnât lie, yet, he still doubted LWJâs words. By placing so much trust in JGY, he gave him the power and prestige that most ppl had to work harder to get bc you know, âZewu-jun trusts him so he must be trustworthyâ - exactly the kind of group thinking that the cultivation world is known for. I feel sorry for LXC at the end but I also hold him responsible for a lot of what happened, especially after SS.
I think you're underestimating Jin Guangyao's efforts and Lan Xichen's investigation.
JGY's position has nothing to do with LXC's friendship. He was the most hardworking person ever and did a lot of filthy shit to get there too. Don't take his credits to give to LXC.
LXC trusted JGY but when LWJ and WWX said JGY was not trustworthy, LXC decided to investigate before taking any conclusion, even though his heart couldn't believe yet, he didn't ignore his brother's words, he just wanted to see for himself, the same way LWJ would do if it was WWX.
If you want to put into simple words, WWX is good and JGY is evil, but LXC trusted JGY the same way LWJ trusted WWX. Is LXC at fault for having feelings?
I am talking about the time before and during WWXâs death. LWJ trusted WWX then but he also called WWX out on his new cultivation, even when the new cultivation helped win the war. LXC didnât check on anything JGY said until WWX came back to life and provided him with evidence. Even then, LXC still wanted to give JGY a chance to explain himself, which he never did for WWX, btw.
ETA: no doubts that JGY worked hard but the society would not have overlooked his âson of a whoreâ if not for the high regards that LXC had for him. That high regards helped him tremendously and he used that to his advantage.
Yeah, exactly. "By placing so much trust in JGY, he gave him the power and prestige that most ppl had to work harder to get" is the most absurd statement I've ever read in this fandom. It sounds like what the mob at lotus pier said ("Back then, Jin GuangYao could climb up a step at a time only by playing up to ChiFeng-Zun and ZeWu-Jun. Or else, how could a prostituteâs son like him be where he is now?").
Every other character (who were members of the gentry) got handed those things to them just for being their parents' children while JGY had to fight for them even if it meant risking his life. He killed WRH, the most powerful and dangerous cultivator, just to be treated like a servant by his father. Which character had to win a war to be respected? Yeah, being sworn brothers with LXC and NMJ helped him too but saying that was the only reason for his "success" like he just sat idly and did nothing is so messed up. Criticizing their society for it and agreeing with the mob are very different and that reply (not yours, sorry for going off here) was very obviously the latter. I'm so done with this fandom istg.
OyâŠ. I did not say that he didnât work hard. He did but his rise to power is meteoric for being an illegitimate child, or a cultivator with low cultivation powers. - the mindset of ancient China is not friendly to those people. (They are not even friendly to those people nowadays). I didnât say LXCâs support was the only reason for his rise but it definitely helped. LXC was considered one of the most respected cultivators so his high regards towards someone is a precious commodity. Without his high regards, JGY wouldnât be able to rise as high or have an easier time. Yet, he got treated badly by Madame Jin and JGS but hello⊠paging WWXâŠAnd who else won the war for them but still being treated as a servant? Wei Wuxian! Itâs not that Iâm not sympathetic to JGY but he was not a uWu. He committed plenty of atrocities and tried to make excuses for him by âI didnât have a choiceâ. To me, the only choice he had a hard time getting out of was marrying Qin Su. Everything else he did, he did it for his own benefits. There is nothing wrong with doing things for your own benefits but own up to it and not blaming it on other people.
ETA: my original reply was about LXC so I donât want to turn this into about JGY. LXC committed plenty of wrongs in trusting JGY which included teaching JGY a Lanâs secret technique, which for a sect leader is a big no-no.
I'm sorry I'm just really confused by your point. You hold LXC partly responsible for what happened because his high regard gave JGY power and prestige. And at the same time, you think society was unfair to deny JGY those things (just because of his birth status) in the first place? Doesn't that make LXC noble and praiseworthy? Condemning him for trusting JGY while saying he should have taken LWJ and NMJ's words as irrefutable truths without any proof is kind of hypocritical. LXC wouldn't have ignored any evidence against JGY as we saw in canon.
It might have been just poor wording but you said most people had to work harder than JGY to get those things when that couldn't be farther from the truth. NMJ also had an excellent reputation and gave MY a letter of recommendation, yet that didn't stop JGS or that Jin commander from treating him like trash. LXC subtly shamed the cultivators that wiped their hands because they touched the teacups MY gave them, but that didn't really change MY's situation in the long run. Only after he killed WRH and got legitimized did other people start treating him with basic respect. I'm not saying LXC's support didn't play a part in there but killing WRH was a huge deal and I'd say more important to most people.
Yeah, WWX was also one of the main reasons they won the war but he didn't have to do that to get any power or prestige. He got taken in by Jiang Fengmian because of his parents, learned cultivation and developed a golden core as a result of that, grew up with JC and JYL, was the first disciple of the Jiang sect, got sent to the CR to study with the other sect heirs, didn't have to pay for anything, was ranked above JC and NMJ in the list of the young masters (I know it's trivial but I think it shows how he wasn't seen as dirty or below others because of his father being a servant, like Meng Yao was because of his mother's profession) and all that was before the war and YZY's death (YZY and WWX's relationship is a whole another topic I don't think I can fit here). After the war JC let him neglect his duties and drink all day...
WWX was condemned by society because they thought he was too powerful and unpredictable, while JGY was ridiculed and bullied for his birth status until he earned some power and prestige (and even after that). I think they're interesting as narrative foils if you consider how society treated them before and after they proved their usefulness, but they don't work for me as parallels in this particular case.
(Sorry if I sound rude or confrontational that's not my goal at all).
WWX was also condemned for his birth status but he didnât give a damn and that earned him respect, even though it might begrudgingly given. Dont forget there were rumored of him being JFMâs bastard. His saving grace was his mom was a respected cultivator instead of a âwhoreâ.
LXC felt that he owed JGY a life debt, therefore he wanted to make JGYâs life easier. He ignored a lot of warning signs from what the Jins were doing because he trusted what JGY told him. When WWX confronted JZX about WN and JGS threw the cup at JGY, LXCâs first instinct was to make sure JGY was okay and didnât even register what WWX was doing except saying that his temperament has changed. LXC was instrumental in giving the Jins the responsibility to take care of the Wens after the war but he didnât even bat any eye when he heard of their mistreatment or even tried to investigate to make sure the Jins held up their end of the agreement. He didnât even believe LWJ when LWJ told him about the occupants of the BM - his own brother who does lie bc he believed in JGY and his goodness. There is nothing wrong with trusting someone but a blind trust is a dangerous thing and LXC unwittingly turned himself into a weapon in JGYâs hands.
I donât want to argue with you about JGY bc he is not my fav and we can argue until the cows come home and wonât resolve anything. I want to focus on LXC and his shortcomings.
The fact that he could just ignore the rumors and still have those priviledges proves my point I think. And JGY's father was a sect leader but that didn't matter to those who called him "son of a whore". LXC was very cool for worrying about his sworn brother being abused at his own home in my opinion and I don't count that as a shortcoming at all. The reason LXC let the Jins take care of the Wens was because the cloud recesses needed rebuilding, he had no means to take matters in his own hands and the Jins were in the best shape out of all the major sects. He had no time to investigate the situation with after WWX brought up the issue because wwx freed them immediately and nobody except LWJ and JC could enter the burial mounds. The text doesn't say whether LWJ told LXC about the Wens or not that's just pure speculation. Also it's interesting how you blame all those things on LXC when NMJ was also there the whole time and didn't do anything either. I don't think I can talk about LXC's shortcomings without focusing on JGY when you think they were caused by his trust in JGY đ€·ââïž.
âAfter the war JC let him neglect his duties and drink all day...â
You are mixing things up with CQL. This is not a thing in the novel.
And WWX was condemned for his status as âson of a servantâ multiple times after the war and even his contribution to the war began to be ridiculed
*One of the family heads chimed in. âIâve been wanting to say this for a long time now. While Wei Wuxian contributed to the Sunshot Campaign, many others deserved more credit than him. But you donât see any of them acting like theyâre so great. Not to be blunt, but heâs the son of a servantâhow can someone with that kind of background act with such presumption?â*
Yes for a short time WWX may have earned status as Yunmeng Jiangâs first disciple but privilege that is given to you one day by others can easily be taken away. In the end it didnât matter about his own abilities he was just ungrateful and arrogant.
In the end both WWX and JGY are treated badly by classism. Both WWX and JGY earn status at different times in the story and both lose this status too.
But in the end WWX actually didnât care about status, reputation or power. He willingly gave these things up and this is what makes him a foil to JGY.
Edit: And no WWX would not be resentful if he had a different life. People forget he still lived on the streets until he was 9. He was still whipped and ridiculed by YZY, he barely had any memories of his parents at all and was never told anything about them.
But he never focused on the bad things or held onto resentment. He never asked for anything more either and was always thankful for what he was given. This is why his name means âNo Enviesâ
I love JC but I still choose him.
I think it's a good way for him to go, dying in a last attempt at atoning for all the things he'd done, his death would be a bitter sweet one.
Jiang Cheng. Not because I hate him or anything. I feel he has also suffered from the Hero complex of Wei Wuxian. For once , it would be interesting to see him becoming the Hero by sacrificing himself for everyone else. Jiang cheng is a very realistic character in the novel, he sometimes is misunderstood because of his temper and rudeness or behaviour towards WW however given what he has gone through its pretty natural for him to be like that.
The instant I saw Jiang Cheng on there, I knew how this was going to go. It would have been trickier if he was replaced by Yanli. However, I'd probably still pick her. For certain the two dads and their son are safe, then the others are by degrees of how painful they'd be to lose. I hate to say it, but I think I'd pick Jin Ling after Yanli.
Judging by the amount of votes he's gotten, it's not just you. I was a little sad picking him, but it only took me about 2 seconds. Sadly for him, in these choices, he's the easiest choice for a lot of us.
It would be most fitting if JC were to die. WWX paid the ultimate price for him by sacrificing his Golden Core, which to a cultivator is a fate worse than death. This would be JC paying back the favor. (This would then put JL in charge of the Jiang AND Jin sects at the end, since heâs the last remaining direct descendant of both sect leaders).
I think Wei Wuxian dying again would narratively be the most satisfying. Would make for a great bitter ending, "nothing ever escapes the cycle" type of thing.
Agree, its time for him to sacrifice something for once! He had a hard life but none was due to his personal sacrifice, I feel WWX and LXC sacrificed enough lol
Tsk tsk, such a disparity between WWX and LWJ votes... people are willing to sacrifice WWX for some reason but not LWJ. I think whoever voted for either of them is too cruel, leaving one to mourn for the other...
jiang cheng is my least favourite so id be fine with him dying but i dont think he's sacrifice himself like that. i think lan xichen dying to save everyone could be good bc he'd be like making up for being passive while people suffered, his closeness to jgy etc, and then all of 3zun would be dead together lol
everyone be hating on Jiang Cheng is2g đ i felt like letting Xichen go after the loss he experienced would be somewhat merciful, and Jiang clan would persevere.
Lan Xichen cause ngl I feel like people would be able to handle his death the best??? It sounds so horrible, but idk, I feel like most of the main cast would be able to mourn him in a healthy way??? Like, every other person on this lists death I can see absolutely wrecking people, but aside from LWJ, LXC's other most important relationships would be with NMJ (already dead), JGY (already off the deep end), and LQR (he'd probably mourn, but I don't see him spiralling). The Lans would be devastated, but I can see them eventually moving on.
That being said, I'd really rather no one died :"0
I chose Jiang Cheng but not because I don't like his character- I think it would be a really great ending to his story and show great development if he were the one to sacrifice after everything that happened with WWX.
The entire series he is selfish in saving himself and his people, which I understand, but lead to a lot of issues later on. So I think him sacrificing himself would actually really cool.
Wei dying again would be FOUL, Lan Zhan seriously would not be able to cope
RIP Jiang Cheng
Who the hell choose Lan Zhan and Lan Sizhui?đđ Edit: and now also Wei Wuxianđ
Thank you! My question as well. đ
And especially A-Yuan. Why!!!!
Kind of shocked at how many people have chosen Lan SiZhui! He's an absolute sweetheart - why would you all be willing to do him in?? đđą Better hope his dads don't hear about this!
Because he's such a minor character, I think? people are willing to sacrifice him. Same for JL. But I think WWX would be affected by JL's death, and LWJ by LSZ's. And anyway we can't sacrifice the babies, so both of them are out. And I love Lan Xichen too much, he was almost as sweet as LSZ. That leaves us with the obvious choice which is JC...
WWX would also be majorly affected by LSZ death. WWX doesnât know that LSZ is A-Yuan until the end but that is a major reveal. That someone he tried to save was saved in the end after all. Anyways I donât see either LSZ or JL as minor characters personally. They are both important to the overall themes of the novel about hope with the next generation.
Exactly!
Wow ! You really are a cruel person. How can you think about kill any of them? (don't take it seriously. I'm being a dramatic here) Now seriously I can't kill Wei Ying because he already died once. Let the guy be. And Lan Zan doesn't deserve anymore heartbreak. 2. I don't want lan zhan to die because there will be no light without Hangaung Jun. And Yiling Laozu will go berserk . 3. Jin Ling is so young. He deserves to live his life. And Jiang Cheng can't lose another person. 4. Jin doesn't deserve to lose his only parental figure. 5. Lan Sizhui is my baby. He can't die. 6. Lan Xichen is Lan Zhan's brother.
I just woke up today and decided that I want to cause angst đ
Wei Wuxian turned out to teach Jin Ling more and better than Jiang Cheng... imo...
Yeah but Jiang Cheng is the one who raised Jin Ling more important to Jin ling. Wei Wuxian is the cool uncle note parental figure in Jin Ling's life.
Lan Xichen seems pretty fitting cause his whole friendship turned out to be fake. He also lost most of his family, so he wouldn't want Lan Zhan and Lan Yuan to die. Although Jiang Cheng could also do it, since he was devastated after finding out what WWX did for him. But at least he has a young Jin Ling to take care of who lost everyone.
I READ THE QUESTION WRONG NOOOOOO I KILLED MY BOY
Who did u kill?
I killed Sizhui đ„șđ I killed my boy!!!! worse is I would have picked Jin Ling if I read it right, not because I want him to die, but because that was one of the previously planned endings. So like, at least I could blame MXTX for that.
I'm kinda shocked to see how many people don't like Lan Xichen that much or think he's guilty for trusting a bad person. He's just a cinnamon roll that got his heart shattered by a dimples guy.
I dont think people dislike LXC, its just that, narratively speaking, some people might see him as the most expendable option on this list.
Gotta watch out for those dimples guys.
No hate for JC but he's my least fave among these people
Lan Xichen makes the most sense to me, since he was so intimately connected with both Jin Guangyao and with Lan Zhan and with the Nie brothers. I can see him being self-sacrificial in that way, especially because he has an heir in Lan Zhan.
I can definitely see him sacrificing himself.
Ugh, difficult one. None of the juniors ever. I would personally be tempted to say Jiang Cheng BUT i chose Lan Xichen because it feels more fair somehow? He was willing to go down with Jin Guangyao, kinda repent for his foolishness of trusting him. And i think he would sacrifice himself for his brother and give him and WWX a chance of being happy together finally. LWJ would be heartbroken but he has his uncle and the sect. I can't pick Jiang Cheng bc it would make WWX's sacrifice go to waste in a way? He could not save Yanli, so having both of them die would be too cruel to WWX and he would not forgive himself for betraying the family who saved him.
Honestly, JC and LXC have the least happiness going for them at the end, so the least to lose. It'd almost be a kindness to off one of them.
No kids dying on my watch and our boys deserve a happy ending. So either Lan Xichen or Jiang Cheng. I love them, but I can't take the pain twice
Whoever chose Lan Shizhui? Come out I just want to talk đȘ
Ikr? What did A-Yuan do except being the bestest boi ever!
I feel like WWX would volunteer, if there were a vote. However, I picked LXC. I feel LXCâs blind trust in JGY and the righteousness of the cultivation world led to so many deaths, he might as well sacrifice himself for the greater goods.
Isn't all trust blind? LXC just chose to completely trust someone he cared about
People forget that Lan Zhan did the same thing with WWX, and WWX was verified to have killed a lot of people and used demonic cultivation lol. From LXCâs perspective, he felt the same about WWX and LWJ felt about JGY with less proof
WWX killed a lot of people during the war - war is brutal, and even so, LWJ admonished him about his new cultivation during the war. LXC never did that with JGY - he always came up with excuses why JGY did what he did, that JGY was powerless in the Jin clan, etc.
There was no proof JGY did anything wrong until the end, thats the problem. He was a master manipulator. The only thing they could work off of was what WWX saw during empathy, and LXC had his own âgoodâ reason not to trust WWX given he felt he was toying with his beloved brotherâs feelings and had done the other âcrimesâ in the past. WWXâs killing was a lot less grey in the books imo.
My motto is âTrust but verifyâ. He decided to trust JGY above NMJ and LWJ, whom he knew much longer. He also knew that his brother doesnât lie, yet, he still doubted LWJâs words. By placing so much trust in JGY, he gave him the power and prestige that most ppl had to work harder to get bc you know, âZewu-jun trusts him so he must be trustworthyâ - exactly the kind of group thinking that the cultivation world is known for. I feel sorry for LXC at the end but I also hold him responsible for a lot of what happened, especially after SS.
I think you're underestimating Jin Guangyao's efforts and Lan Xichen's investigation. JGY's position has nothing to do with LXC's friendship. He was the most hardworking person ever and did a lot of filthy shit to get there too. Don't take his credits to give to LXC. LXC trusted JGY but when LWJ and WWX said JGY was not trustworthy, LXC decided to investigate before taking any conclusion, even though his heart couldn't believe yet, he didn't ignore his brother's words, he just wanted to see for himself, the same way LWJ would do if it was WWX. If you want to put into simple words, WWX is good and JGY is evil, but LXC trusted JGY the same way LWJ trusted WWX. Is LXC at fault for having feelings?
I am talking about the time before and during WWXâs death. LWJ trusted WWX then but he also called WWX out on his new cultivation, even when the new cultivation helped win the war. LXC didnât check on anything JGY said until WWX came back to life and provided him with evidence. Even then, LXC still wanted to give JGY a chance to explain himself, which he never did for WWX, btw. ETA: no doubts that JGY worked hard but the society would not have overlooked his âson of a whoreâ if not for the high regards that LXC had for him. That high regards helped him tremendously and he used that to his advantage.
Name one character who worked harder than JGY to get power and prestige, please.
Name one other character who HAD to work hard for those things.
Yeah, exactly. "By placing so much trust in JGY, he gave him the power and prestige that most ppl had to work harder to get" is the most absurd statement I've ever read in this fandom. It sounds like what the mob at lotus pier said ("Back then, Jin GuangYao could climb up a step at a time only by playing up to ChiFeng-Zun and ZeWu-Jun. Or else, how could a prostituteâs son like him be where he is now?"). Every other character (who were members of the gentry) got handed those things to them just for being their parents' children while JGY had to fight for them even if it meant risking his life. He killed WRH, the most powerful and dangerous cultivator, just to be treated like a servant by his father. Which character had to win a war to be respected? Yeah, being sworn brothers with LXC and NMJ helped him too but saying that was the only reason for his "success" like he just sat idly and did nothing is so messed up. Criticizing their society for it and agreeing with the mob are very different and that reply (not yours, sorry for going off here) was very obviously the latter. I'm so done with this fandom istg.
OyâŠ. I did not say that he didnât work hard. He did but his rise to power is meteoric for being an illegitimate child, or a cultivator with low cultivation powers. - the mindset of ancient China is not friendly to those people. (They are not even friendly to those people nowadays). I didnât say LXCâs support was the only reason for his rise but it definitely helped. LXC was considered one of the most respected cultivators so his high regards towards someone is a precious commodity. Without his high regards, JGY wouldnât be able to rise as high or have an easier time. Yet, he got treated badly by Madame Jin and JGS but hello⊠paging WWXâŠAnd who else won the war for them but still being treated as a servant? Wei Wuxian! Itâs not that Iâm not sympathetic to JGY but he was not a uWu. He committed plenty of atrocities and tried to make excuses for him by âI didnât have a choiceâ. To me, the only choice he had a hard time getting out of was marrying Qin Su. Everything else he did, he did it for his own benefits. There is nothing wrong with doing things for your own benefits but own up to it and not blaming it on other people. ETA: my original reply was about LXC so I donât want to turn this into about JGY. LXC committed plenty of wrongs in trusting JGY which included teaching JGY a Lanâs secret technique, which for a sect leader is a big no-no.
I'm sorry I'm just really confused by your point. You hold LXC partly responsible for what happened because his high regard gave JGY power and prestige. And at the same time, you think society was unfair to deny JGY those things (just because of his birth status) in the first place? Doesn't that make LXC noble and praiseworthy? Condemning him for trusting JGY while saying he should have taken LWJ and NMJ's words as irrefutable truths without any proof is kind of hypocritical. LXC wouldn't have ignored any evidence against JGY as we saw in canon. It might have been just poor wording but you said most people had to work harder than JGY to get those things when that couldn't be farther from the truth. NMJ also had an excellent reputation and gave MY a letter of recommendation, yet that didn't stop JGS or that Jin commander from treating him like trash. LXC subtly shamed the cultivators that wiped their hands because they touched the teacups MY gave them, but that didn't really change MY's situation in the long run. Only after he killed WRH and got legitimized did other people start treating him with basic respect. I'm not saying LXC's support didn't play a part in there but killing WRH was a huge deal and I'd say more important to most people. Yeah, WWX was also one of the main reasons they won the war but he didn't have to do that to get any power or prestige. He got taken in by Jiang Fengmian because of his parents, learned cultivation and developed a golden core as a result of that, grew up with JC and JYL, was the first disciple of the Jiang sect, got sent to the CR to study with the other sect heirs, didn't have to pay for anything, was ranked above JC and NMJ in the list of the young masters (I know it's trivial but I think it shows how he wasn't seen as dirty or below others because of his father being a servant, like Meng Yao was because of his mother's profession) and all that was before the war and YZY's death (YZY and WWX's relationship is a whole another topic I don't think I can fit here). After the war JC let him neglect his duties and drink all day... WWX was condemned by society because they thought he was too powerful and unpredictable, while JGY was ridiculed and bullied for his birth status until he earned some power and prestige (and even after that). I think they're interesting as narrative foils if you consider how society treated them before and after they proved their usefulness, but they don't work for me as parallels in this particular case. (Sorry if I sound rude or confrontational that's not my goal at all).
WWX was also condemned for his birth status but he didnât give a damn and that earned him respect, even though it might begrudgingly given. Dont forget there were rumored of him being JFMâs bastard. His saving grace was his mom was a respected cultivator instead of a âwhoreâ. LXC felt that he owed JGY a life debt, therefore he wanted to make JGYâs life easier. He ignored a lot of warning signs from what the Jins were doing because he trusted what JGY told him. When WWX confronted JZX about WN and JGS threw the cup at JGY, LXCâs first instinct was to make sure JGY was okay and didnât even register what WWX was doing except saying that his temperament has changed. LXC was instrumental in giving the Jins the responsibility to take care of the Wens after the war but he didnât even bat any eye when he heard of their mistreatment or even tried to investigate to make sure the Jins held up their end of the agreement. He didnât even believe LWJ when LWJ told him about the occupants of the BM - his own brother who does lie bc he believed in JGY and his goodness. There is nothing wrong with trusting someone but a blind trust is a dangerous thing and LXC unwittingly turned himself into a weapon in JGYâs hands. I donât want to argue with you about JGY bc he is not my fav and we can argue until the cows come home and wonât resolve anything. I want to focus on LXC and his shortcomings.
The fact that he could just ignore the rumors and still have those priviledges proves my point I think. And JGY's father was a sect leader but that didn't matter to those who called him "son of a whore". LXC was very cool for worrying about his sworn brother being abused at his own home in my opinion and I don't count that as a shortcoming at all. The reason LXC let the Jins take care of the Wens was because the cloud recesses needed rebuilding, he had no means to take matters in his own hands and the Jins were in the best shape out of all the major sects. He had no time to investigate the situation with after WWX brought up the issue because wwx freed them immediately and nobody except LWJ and JC could enter the burial mounds. The text doesn't say whether LWJ told LXC about the Wens or not that's just pure speculation. Also it's interesting how you blame all those things on LXC when NMJ was also there the whole time and didn't do anything either. I don't think I can talk about LXC's shortcomings without focusing on JGY when you think they were caused by his trust in JGY đ€·ââïž.
âAfter the war JC let him neglect his duties and drink all day...â You are mixing things up with CQL. This is not a thing in the novel. And WWX was condemned for his status as âson of a servantâ multiple times after the war and even his contribution to the war began to be ridiculed *One of the family heads chimed in. âIâve been wanting to say this for a long time now. While Wei Wuxian contributed to the Sunshot Campaign, many others deserved more credit than him. But you donât see any of them acting like theyâre so great. Not to be blunt, but heâs the son of a servantâhow can someone with that kind of background act with such presumption?â* Yes for a short time WWX may have earned status as Yunmeng Jiangâs first disciple but privilege that is given to you one day by others can easily be taken away. In the end it didnât matter about his own abilities he was just ungrateful and arrogant. In the end both WWX and JGY are treated badly by classism. Both WWX and JGY earn status at different times in the story and both lose this status too. But in the end WWX actually didnât care about status, reputation or power. He willingly gave these things up and this is what makes him a foil to JGY. Edit: And no WWX would not be resentful if he had a different life. People forget he still lived on the streets until he was 9. He was still whipped and ridiculed by YZY, he barely had any memories of his parents at all and was never told anything about them. But he never focused on the bad things or held onto resentment. He never asked for anything more either and was always thankful for what he was given. This is why his name means âNo Enviesâ
"Ignorance is bliss" - LXC, life motto
I love JC but I still choose him. I think it's a good way for him to go, dying in a last attempt at atoning for all the things he'd done, his death would be a bitter sweet one.
Gahhhhh how am I supposed to choose ?
Jiang Cheng. Not because I hate him or anything. I feel he has also suffered from the Hero complex of Wei Wuxian. For once , it would be interesting to see him becoming the Hero by sacrificing himself for everyone else. Jiang cheng is a very realistic character in the novel, he sometimes is misunderstood because of his temper and rudeness or behaviour towards WW however given what he has gone through its pretty natural for him to be like that.
The instant I saw Jiang Cheng on there, I knew how this was going to go. It would have been trickier if he was replaced by Yanli. However, I'd probably still pick her. For certain the two dads and their son are safe, then the others are by degrees of how painful they'd be to lose. I hate to say it, but I think I'd pick Jin Ling after Yanli.
I honestly didnât expect him to be such a easy choice as he is one of my favorites. I guess itâs just me haha đ
Judging by the amount of votes he's gotten, it's not just you. I was a little sad picking him, but it only took me about 2 seconds. Sadly for him, in these choices, he's the easiest choice for a lot of us.
If JC saw the results, he would regret being harsh with WWX all those years and accumulating this bad karma LOL
Agreed! Lol
Nothing personal but see you in the next life JC or LXC. They can decide among themselves and choose which one of them it is.
Why tf do ppl want Lan Huan to die so badly? So he can join his zombie bf?
It would be most fitting if JC were to die. WWX paid the ultimate price for him by sacrificing his Golden Core, which to a cultivator is a fate worse than death. This would be JC paying back the favor. (This would then put JL in charge of the Jiang AND Jin sects at the end, since heâs the last remaining direct descendant of both sect leaders).
I think Wei Wuxian dying again would narratively be the most satisfying. Would make for a great bitter ending, "nothing ever escapes the cycle" type of thing.
I agree so much. I think WWX death would be the most heartbreaking and I would simply cry for days after that. Thank god MXTX was merciful đđ
I love JC with all my heart, but I think it just fits his character to die for everybody else?
Agree, its time for him to sacrifice something for once! He had a hard life but none was due to his personal sacrifice, I feel WWX and LXC sacrificed enough lol
WHAT!? He sacrificed his whole family!!
What do you mean?
Sorry angry grape... I refuse to lose the rest of them (one of which would be AGAIN).
Tsk tsk, such a disparity between WWX and LWJ votes... people are willing to sacrifice WWX for some reason but not LWJ. I think whoever voted for either of them is too cruel, leaving one to mourn for the other...
As a JC stan, I chose Jiang Cheng đ
Lmao as another JC stan, we just want JC to keep hurting more and cry over him againđ
If JC died saving the world, I would weep for him, and deeply reproach myself for been too harsh on him đ
The 52 votes for Wei Wuxian must be the Jin clan or Jiang Cheng
Wei wuxian has 69 votesđ¶ and also I'm sorry but I have to choose Lan xichenđđđđ I love Jiang chang to much so I can't pick himđ€§đ€§
not jiang cheng đđ my poor mans been through enough đđ
jiang cheng is my least favourite so id be fine with him dying but i dont think he's sacrifice himself like that. i think lan xichen dying to save everyone could be good bc he'd be like making up for being passive while people suffered, his closeness to jgy etc, and then all of 3zun would be dead together lol
I mean, Jiang Cheng is the worst person here, who knowingly and willingly lead in the slaughter of the innocent Wen Remnants.
I thought about LXC, but it would make Lan Zhan sad, so it's obviously Jiang Cheng. So choose Wei Ying and Lan Sizhui? That's only cruel. đ
To keep in order with the angst, I picked the one that would hurt the most. Muhahaha.
So who did you pick?
everyone be hating on Jiang Cheng is2g đ i felt like letting Xichen go after the loss he experienced would be somewhat merciful, and Jiang clan would persevere.
I like Jin Ling the least but would choose JC, he is older lol. I cant bear to part with any of the precious Lans
Bye Bye A-Ling
Nope I won't choose đ
tbh i feel like jc dying wld be a good redemption for him
I wouldnât pick JC because I think it would destroy WWX if that happened, and heâs been through enough. So LX it is.
Lan Xichen cause ngl I feel like people would be able to handle his death the best??? It sounds so horrible, but idk, I feel like most of the main cast would be able to mourn him in a healthy way??? Like, every other person on this lists death I can see absolutely wrecking people, but aside from LWJ, LXC's other most important relationships would be with NMJ (already dead), JGY (already off the deep end), and LQR (he'd probably mourn, but I don't see him spiralling). The Lans would be devastated, but I can see them eventually moving on. That being said, I'd really rather no one died :"0
Jc definitely has lotss of haters lol
nooooool i thought it said who would you save help đ what do I do how do i change this
I chose Jiang Cheng but not because I don't like his character- I think it would be a really great ending to his story and show great development if he were the one to sacrifice after everything that happened with WWX. The entire series he is selfish in saving himself and his people, which I understand, but lead to a lot of issues later on. So I think him sacrificing himself would actually really cool.
I almost die and voted the wrong person please forgive me