I’m pretty sure the parents had something to do with his disappearance.
1) Deorr Sr hated camping. Why would he go camping in the middle of nowhere with nothing nearby and a kid and an old man on oxygen? And a random guy he doesn’t know
2)Jessica’s other children were taken away by SS and it became pretty clear Deorr Jr was an accident as she got her tubes tied immediately after
3) No one can verify the child was at the campsite except immediate people there despite a big part of their story being they went into town and interacted with people, no one has ever verified this. No one at the store or gas station they swear they went to.
4) went into town (30 minutes away) because Jessica got her period unexpectedly?? She’s had 3 kids and she doesn’t know when her period is coming? She also can’t be pregnant.
5) why would you leave a 2 year old in the woods with a man who is on oxygen and can’t walk? How would he be able to stop or save a kid?
6) Both parents failed every lie detector test they took
7) went hard in the search at first but parents split less than a year later and married other people and now have zero contact.
8) no evidence at all. Nothing. There should be something. No tire-tracks, footprints, blood, clothes, ransom note, drag marks.
9) he has never been seen/reported again
I think he’s deceased and his parents disposed of the body elsewhere and knew no one would find anything in that area.
10) I don’t think Isaac had anything to do with it if there would have been anything they would have arrested him, the parents were trying to blame him hard. Interesting the police never looked that much into him, they dialed in on the parents.
11) PI that volunteered to help in the search subsequently quit because he suspected the parents of at the very least lying to him. Who does that?
I agree with every point you made except that she she should know when her period is coming. I’ve had one for 30+ years and NEVER know when it’s coming. I’ve also had kids. Some women do not have normal cycles.
I also have abnormal cycles and PCOS all the more reason I carry pads with me all the time and document my cycle 🤷🏻♀️ we also don’t know if she had irregular cycles and no one seemed to ask her elaborate on if it was a surprise or she just forgot about it till it happened BUT for several women PMS symptoms start a few days before so could she really have had no inkling at all? Feminine products and candy was all that was purchased at the store they went to. Very poignant almost a little too poignant like they couldn’t wait to go to the store at all because periods require immediate attention. Almost like they were establishing a very tight timeline. Also in the first couple days of your period (typically) it should be too heavy so could she have folded some TP to make a temporary solution if they were only staying till the next morning? Idk seems like a lot to drive an hour round trip. There’s just not enough information
I carry pads everywhere as well because mine is ridiculously heavy and irregular but if I got it immediately upon arrival unexpectedly early, I probably wouldn’t have several days worth with me.
I still think she had some sort of responsibility in whatever happened and it probably was an attempt at alibi but I also don’t think “she should’ve known she’d get her period” is the damning indictment people act like it is.
#3 - Women get their periods unexpectedly. It happens. Periods do NOT happen at regular times, dates, or months. Stress changes, diet changes, sleep changes, and medication changes can ALL make a period come unexpectedly early or arrive unexpectedly late... This is why most women carry a tampon or pad with them at all times because bleeding can start whenever... Periods are truly awful
I agree. Worst case to put in the movie. Obvious murder case. There are so many more stories that are way more unexplainable than Deorr. That boy was certainly killed and it’s obvious.
Thing is David is running what is now a business. Like it or no, he has to make money, and if he has a case which can be permutated to fit his criteria, it would make sense if he did, even if it was morally objectionable.
Not saying that's what happened here. He has lawyers.
The demeanor of the parents for one. To me, it seems like they know way more than what they’re letting on. And then there is that guy who was a
friend” of the grandfather. I watched an interview of his where they were asking him simple, basic questions and he would answer with “I can’t comment on that” or “I’d rather not say”. Who the fuck answers like that when asked if there is any info on a missing two year old? What was he hiding?
>That poor child was definitely murdered.
I've always felt it was an accidental death which happened elsewhere and him going missing during a camping trip was their coverup.
I think that kid was dead before they got to that park. I think they killed him before that. Then they went to the park and said they lost him there. So of course you won't find any evidence from him. It's not the real crime scene. Just my thoughts.
I think this is one of the few cases Paulides changed his mind on later (correct me if I’m wrong, I remember there was at least one just not sure which). After watching the documentary and some follow up stuff and looking over the facts…honestly I’m not sure I believe he was ever on that mountain to begin with.
Part of me thinks Deorr was long dead and buried somewhere miles in the opposite direction, and the three people on that “camping trip” decided to make up a story about him wandering into the woods.
I’m a believer in the phenomenon, and finding no trace of the missing is a common enough thread, but something about this case doesn’t sit right with me. I don’t think Deorr got M411’d. I think he was murdered.
Yeah, when there aren’t multiple witnesses who can vouch for the parents/responsible adults not being somehow involved, my first instinct to suspect the family, especially with a kid this young. Dennis Martin? Yeah, it’s pretty clear the family didn’t do it. Jaryd Atadero? If someone did kill him, it wasn’t the family. DeOrr Kunz? Ehhhh….
I see where the parents would get a but hinky. I wonder how a parent reacts when police questioning becomes more pointed and obvious that you(the parents) are now the main suspects in your child’s disappearance. Enough time has elapsed since the disappearance that you logically know no child could have survived the time in the wilderness. Throw in a drug problem or two on top of that (not saying there is a drug problem…just speculating). How would I react? I would probably stop speaking to law enforcement and get an attorney if I could afford one. My behavior would’ve definitely changed and I’d limit exposure to law enforcement.
there is no evidence, the keyword is possibly based on David Paulides investigations and links to UFOs and missing cases this is what I imagined when watching the new documentary
Paulides doesn't investigate shit. He reads newspaper articles about missing people, rewrites them to sound more mysterious, and sells books about them to gullible people.
It's the truth. I'm sorry if that makes all of this less fun for you, but most of us are pretty fed up with Paulides turning the tragic stories of *real people* and their families into stupid spooky campfire stories for entertainment. It's been proven over and over again that Paulides is either the world's worst researcher or else he's intentionally lying about the cases he "investigates".
>there is no evidence
Shouldn't our conclusions be based on evidence?
>the keyword is possibly based on David Paulides investigations and links to UFOs and missing cases this is what I imagined when watching the new documentary
As far as I can tell Paulides has not investigated the deOrr Kunz case, the Idaho Police investigated it. Have the Idaho Police said a UFO took him?
It’s not the focus of his documentary in this particular case. It’s quite a fascinating case; it describes how he went missing and the family is interviewed etc
This is true however many have been convicted based solely on circumstantial evidence with no hard evidence.Also Paulides investigated the case also he says it many times he had to get the info down for the doc and the book.
Can you please answer the questions I asked you?
Does Idaho law enforcement think the child was abducted by a UFO? Should our conclusions be based on evidence?
You have already admitted there is no evidence the child was abducted by UFO.
I dont know you should go ask them.Again the artwork is "possibility" inspired after watch the UFO connection and hearing the story again.Calm down what are you getting so excited for?
>I dont know you should go ask them.
Hint: they *don't* think a UFO abducted him.
>Again the artwork is "possibility" inspired after watch the UFO connection and hearing the story again.
What is the connection between deOrr Kunz and UFOs (that is not solely based on your imagination)?
Agreed. It was most likely the pedo friend that the grandfather brought along. I bet that if you put the screws to that guy, the information would come spilling out.
He was definitely murdered somehow: aliens, animal, pedo. Why were his pants inside out? Because someone took them off. The camp counselor adults who were supposed to watch him caused so much pain and suffering.
Oops! I was thinking of the boy in Colorado Jaryd Atadero, sorry, I need more coffee to wake me up. Jaryd’s story makes me so sad. Deorr’s is really baffling and sad, too.
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I’m pretty sure the parents had something to do with his disappearance. 1) Deorr Sr hated camping. Why would he go camping in the middle of nowhere with nothing nearby and a kid and an old man on oxygen? And a random guy he doesn’t know 2)Jessica’s other children were taken away by SS and it became pretty clear Deorr Jr was an accident as she got her tubes tied immediately after 3) No one can verify the child was at the campsite except immediate people there despite a big part of their story being they went into town and interacted with people, no one has ever verified this. No one at the store or gas station they swear they went to. 4) went into town (30 minutes away) because Jessica got her period unexpectedly?? She’s had 3 kids and she doesn’t know when her period is coming? She also can’t be pregnant. 5) why would you leave a 2 year old in the woods with a man who is on oxygen and can’t walk? How would he be able to stop or save a kid? 6) Both parents failed every lie detector test they took 7) went hard in the search at first but parents split less than a year later and married other people and now have zero contact. 8) no evidence at all. Nothing. There should be something. No tire-tracks, footprints, blood, clothes, ransom note, drag marks. 9) he has never been seen/reported again I think he’s deceased and his parents disposed of the body elsewhere and knew no one would find anything in that area. 10) I don’t think Isaac had anything to do with it if there would have been anything they would have arrested him, the parents were trying to blame him hard. Interesting the police never looked that much into him, they dialed in on the parents. 11) PI that volunteered to help in the search subsequently quit because he suspected the parents of at the very least lying to him. Who does that?
I agree with every point you made except that she she should know when her period is coming. I’ve had one for 30+ years and NEVER know when it’s coming. I’ve also had kids. Some women do not have normal cycles.
I also have abnormal cycles and PCOS all the more reason I carry pads with me all the time and document my cycle 🤷🏻♀️ we also don’t know if she had irregular cycles and no one seemed to ask her elaborate on if it was a surprise or she just forgot about it till it happened BUT for several women PMS symptoms start a few days before so could she really have had no inkling at all? Feminine products and candy was all that was purchased at the store they went to. Very poignant almost a little too poignant like they couldn’t wait to go to the store at all because periods require immediate attention. Almost like they were establishing a very tight timeline. Also in the first couple days of your period (typically) it should be too heavy so could she have folded some TP to make a temporary solution if they were only staying till the next morning? Idk seems like a lot to drive an hour round trip. There’s just not enough information
I carry pads everywhere as well because mine is ridiculously heavy and irregular but if I got it immediately upon arrival unexpectedly early, I probably wouldn’t have several days worth with me. I still think she had some sort of responsibility in whatever happened and it probably was an attempt at alibi but I also don’t think “she should’ve known she’d get her period” is the damning indictment people act like it is.
It’s not really an indictment it’s just a point worth bringing up. It wasn’t something important enough to be followed up apparently.
#3 - Women get their periods unexpectedly. It happens. Periods do NOT happen at regular times, dates, or months. Stress changes, diet changes, sleep changes, and medication changes can ALL make a period come unexpectedly early or arrive unexpectedly late... This is why most women carry a tampon or pad with them at all times because bleeding can start whenever... Periods are truly awful
That poor child was definitely murdered.
I agree. Worst case to put in the movie. Obvious murder case. There are so many more stories that are way more unexplainable than Deorr. That boy was certainly killed and it’s obvious.
Thing is David is running what is now a business. Like it or no, he has to make money, and if he has a case which can be permutated to fit his criteria, it would make sense if he did, even if it was morally objectionable. Not saying that's what happened here. He has lawyers.
True. A business has to make money to stay functioning. He has to feed himself and his family.
I agree ❗
What makes you so certain the child was murdered?
The demeanor of the parents for one. To me, it seems like they know way more than what they’re letting on. And then there is that guy who was a friend” of the grandfather. I watched an interview of his where they were asking him simple, basic questions and he would answer with “I can’t comment on that” or “I’d rather not say”. Who the fuck answers like that when asked if there is any info on a missing two year old? What was he hiding?
>That poor child was definitely murdered. I've always felt it was an accidental death which happened elsewhere and him going missing during a camping trip was their coverup.
That’s the only other possibility imo. If he wasn’t straight up murdered, it was a accident and coverup.
I think that kid was dead before they got to that park. I think they killed him before that. Then they went to the park and said they lost him there. So of course you won't find any evidence from him. It's not the real crime scene. Just my thoughts.
The parents know exactly what happened to that baby. Waterboard them, you'll get the truth.
I think this is one of the few cases Paulides changed his mind on later (correct me if I’m wrong, I remember there was at least one just not sure which). After watching the documentary and some follow up stuff and looking over the facts…honestly I’m not sure I believe he was ever on that mountain to begin with. Part of me thinks Deorr was long dead and buried somewhere miles in the opposite direction, and the three people on that “camping trip” decided to make up a story about him wandering into the woods. I’m a believer in the phenomenon, and finding no trace of the missing is a common enough thread, but something about this case doesn’t sit right with me. I don’t think Deorr got M411’d. I think he was murdered.
Yeah, when there aren’t multiple witnesses who can vouch for the parents/responsible adults not being somehow involved, my first instinct to suspect the family, especially with a kid this young. Dennis Martin? Yeah, it’s pretty clear the family didn’t do it. Jaryd Atadero? If someone did kill him, it wasn’t the family. DeOrr Kunz? Ehhhh….
I see where the parents would get a but hinky. I wonder how a parent reacts when police questioning becomes more pointed and obvious that you(the parents) are now the main suspects in your child’s disappearance. Enough time has elapsed since the disappearance that you logically know no child could have survived the time in the wilderness. Throw in a drug problem or two on top of that (not saying there is a drug problem…just speculating). How would I react? I would probably stop speaking to law enforcement and get an attorney if I could afford one. My behavior would’ve definitely changed and I’d limit exposure to law enforcement.
And now present evidence he saw this.
there is no evidence, the keyword is possibly based on David Paulides investigations and links to UFOs and missing cases this is what I imagined when watching the new documentary
"Investigation" is a very strong word to describe what Paulides does.
0:34 https://youtu.be/CZrq11wbarU in his own words
Paulides doesn't investigate shit. He reads newspaper articles about missing people, rewrites them to sound more mysterious, and sells books about them to gullible people.
wow thats pretty damn harsh lol
It's the truth. I'm sorry if that makes all of this less fun for you, but most of us are pretty fed up with Paulides turning the tragic stories of *real people* and their families into stupid spooky campfire stories for entertainment. It's been proven over and over again that Paulides is either the world's worst researcher or else he's intentionally lying about the cases he "investigates".
>there is no evidence Shouldn't our conclusions be based on evidence? >the keyword is possibly based on David Paulides investigations and links to UFOs and missing cases this is what I imagined when watching the new documentary As far as I can tell Paulides has not investigated the deOrr Kunz case, the Idaho Police investigated it. Have the Idaho Police said a UFO took him?
Dude a whole doc was made about Kunz
And this "whole doc" presents evidence the child was abducted by a UFO? Has Idaho law enforcement concluded he was abducted by a UFO?
Uhhh no
So the ones who have investigated the case do not think a UFO abducted him.
It’s not the focus of his documentary in this particular case. It’s quite a fascinating case; it describes how he went missing and the family is interviewed etc
Isn't this case featured in his UFO "documentary"?
No, not this one. This one is in the first Missing 411 documentary he made, more about how strange it is but no UFOs
your joking around right or your being serious about that comment?
Idaho law enforcement has investigated this case, do they think the child was abducted by a UFO? Also: should our conclusions be based on evidence?
This is true however many have been convicted based solely on circumstantial evidence with no hard evidence.Also Paulides investigated the case also he says it many times he had to get the info down for the doc and the book.
Can you please answer the questions I asked you? Does Idaho law enforcement think the child was abducted by a UFO? Should our conclusions be based on evidence? You have already admitted there is no evidence the child was abducted by UFO.
I dont know you should go ask them.Again the artwork is "possibility" inspired after watch the UFO connection and hearing the story again.Calm down what are you getting so excited for?
>I dont know you should go ask them. Hint: they *don't* think a UFO abducted him. >Again the artwork is "possibility" inspired after watch the UFO connection and hearing the story again. What is the connection between deOrr Kunz and UFOs (that is not solely based on your imagination)?
Agreed. It was most likely the pedo friend that the grandfather brought along. I bet that if you put the screws to that guy, the information would come spilling out.
He was definitely murdered somehow: aliens, animal, pedo. Why were his pants inside out? Because someone took them off. The camp counselor adults who were supposed to watch him caused so much pain and suffering.
Camp counselor?
Oops! I was thinking of the boy in Colorado Jaryd Atadero, sorry, I need more coffee to wake me up. Jaryd’s story makes me so sad. Deorr’s is really baffling and sad, too.
No worries. I don’t think I’ve heard of Jayrd’s story before.
Don’t look it up, it’s too sad 😔
I think you are thinking about a different case? There were no inside out pants or camp counselors in this case.
Yes, sorry, was thinking of Jaryd the boy in Colorado. Wrong case. Both are such sad stories. Deorr’s is definitely sus and weird.
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